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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, May fifth, twenty twenty one, Season sixteen,

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Speaker 1: Episode number one, O eight. Welcome to the latest edition

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Speaker 1: of The Break. We are presented by Geico. We're in

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Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. Got Nick David

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Speaker 1: Amber with me. We're talking Cowboys Draft. We're gonna break

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Speaker 1: down everything that we saw happen last week. He enter

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Speaker 1: in the NFL Draft. Cowboys had lots of selections. We're

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Speaker 1: to catch up on a little news. I want to

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Speaker 1: start first with Layton vander Esh Cowboys decided Monday that

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Speaker 1: they were not going to that they were going to

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Speaker 1: decline to take his fifth year option. My question for you,

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Speaker 1: Cowboys making this decision. Let's start with you, Nick. Well,

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Speaker 1: the advantages are that they don't have to set the

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Speaker 1: and then he starts telling, oh, man, you know I've

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Speaker 1: heard about this guy. And then he goes on and

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Speaker 1: And then you're like, okay, you know it puts an opinion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it puts everybody in the room. It's like, oh really,

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Speaker 1: oh wow, okay, so you start forming an opinion based

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Speaker 1: on that. So instantly I was like, Oh, you gotta

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Speaker 1: old ad with him football, rap, football, rap. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's not the first, not the first professional athlete to

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Speaker 1: have a RAP career and and be able to do

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Speaker 1: the job. Well no, no, no, not not at all.

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Speaker 1: It's just yeah, he I mean, let's don't get into it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I think the priorities though that that

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Speaker 1: would be one that you would question. And then there

442
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Speaker 1: was a little moment there, I guess when he maybe

443
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Speaker 1: in between schools, when you weren't sure what he wanted.

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Speaker 1: And he's probably he's not the first twenty one, twenty

445
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Speaker 1: two year old in the world that didn't know what

446
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Speaker 1: he wanted to do with his life. That that happens

447
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Speaker 1: all the time. So I mean, I hope I'm I'm

448
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Speaker 1: wrong here. I mean, you know, last year was a

449
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Speaker 1: weird year to also gauge anybody of what's going on,

450
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Speaker 1: but I wanted to make another point of what he

451
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Speaker 1: was saying about, like Nashan right now, guys like that,

452
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Speaker 1: you know, I always I always throw out the Anthony

453
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Speaker 1: Hitchens story. It's one of my favorite stories because I

454
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Speaker 1: just remember he was a six or seventh round pick.

455
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Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli just really loved what he could do for

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Speaker 1: this defense. And I think when you're looking at the

457
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Speaker 1: mcshay's and mel Kipers didn't even Dane Brugler. They they

458
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Speaker 1: do these scouting reports for players for any scheme, for

459
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Speaker 1: any team. They just grade them that way. And I

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Speaker 1: think the Cowboys obviously, like any team with the great

461
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Speaker 1: I'm based off of what their team is. What that

462
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Speaker 1: you know. I mean there was a cornerback from Washington

463
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Speaker 1: that kind of fell I don't know where he got drafted,

464
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Speaker 1: corner Molden. Oh oh, like he was the next pick

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Speaker 1: off the board. Yeah, but like they I mean, I

466
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Speaker 1: mean from what I heard that they didn't know what

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Speaker 1: to do with them. Um, dan Quinn was like, where

468
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Speaker 1: I play this guy? So he didn't fit in his

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Speaker 1: scheme and where the Nashan right? Maybe you know, some

470
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Speaker 1: teams may not even had him rated that high. So

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying you have to be specific to what

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Speaker 1: you're looking for. And sometimes these draft experts, they're they're

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Speaker 1: doing it across the board so that they may think

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Speaker 1: he's a little great for them because they're not running

475
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Speaker 1: this defense, they're not running this type of scheme. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit it's a little bit different

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Speaker 1: and tricky when you're talking about guys in the mid

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Speaker 1: rounds of what the preference would be. Yeah. I think

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Speaker 1: you make a great point because as we all know,

480
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Speaker 1: like teams draft traits, they draft things, they see in

481
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Speaker 1: players that that makes them think they can work with

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Speaker 1: the system they have. And it's very clear here they

483
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Speaker 1: want big, long, lengthy corners. And so for them, they

484
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Speaker 1: look at his skill set and they say, hey, there's

485
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Speaker 1: another guy that may have some of the skill sets,

486
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Speaker 1: but this guy has a lot more links, a lot

487
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Speaker 1: more size will take him right. And so I think

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Speaker 1: that that has to be considered when you're trying to

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Speaker 1: evaluate how the Cowboys did. Have you seen the flea flicker?

490
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Speaker 1: I mean, nobody runs a flee flicker in college or

491
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Speaker 1: pro football without it getting sent to me somehow on Twitter.

492
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Speaker 1: Like everything that happens always I'm alerted by well Tyler

493
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Speaker 1: or fahicco Simi Tyler. Oh that's the last guy. Simio

494
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Speaker 1: scores a touchdown on a on a flee flicker. There's

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Speaker 1: our guy, Sean Wright in the background chasing the play.

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Speaker 1: So and I was like, you know, what can you do?

497
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Speaker 1: But it, like I said, they're they're not right, they're

498
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Speaker 1: not wrong. But it's the biggest it's the biggest discrepancy

499
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Speaker 1: because you know, some people will tell you OsO diggi zooa.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they overdrafted him by ten to twelve spots, that's nothing.

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Speaker 1: You know, same thing with Chauncey Golson. It's like, you know,

502
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Speaker 1: on our show during the draft, it was like, probably

503
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Speaker 1: not who I would have taken, but it's that that

504
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Speaker 1: range makes sense, and I can see his role in

505
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Speaker 1: this defense. Nashan Wright was just so far out of

506
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Speaker 1: left field for everybody, Like I have yet to find

507
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Speaker 1: an analyst who was not surprised by that, which again

508
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Speaker 1: doesn't make anybody right or wrong. It's just the biggest

509
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Speaker 1: discrepancy that I can remember in a long time. You know,

510
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Speaker 1: like the Rivals dot Com and that they do like

511
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Speaker 1: the like rankings for high school players. I've seen interviews

512
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Speaker 1: where they, you know that they're like, well we had

513
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Speaker 1: this basketball player as a two star, three star player,

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Speaker 1: Well he just got he just committed to Duke. Well

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Speaker 1: you know what, actually, when you look at it, he's

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Speaker 1: more of a four feet you know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 1: once you see that from the back end, you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: like you said, they probably looked at it again and

519
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Speaker 1: and you know, you guys have to look at what

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Speaker 1: four or five games, maybe two or three games to

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Speaker 1: say I mean, yeah, well I don't want to I

522
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Speaker 1: think Dane Dane does a lot more than that, but

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Speaker 1: that's Dane's career. That's all he does. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know brought us would look at three to four games.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and what I mean, you're trying to look

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Speaker 1: at four hundred guys. No. And that's another thing Will

527
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Speaker 1: said Saturday is like, you know, with with this weird,

528
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Speaker 1: with this year being so weird, we leaned on eighteen tape,

529
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Speaker 1: nineteen tape, twenty tape if they had it, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'll be the first. I don't pretend to be

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Speaker 1: a draft expert. I try to watch two games if

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Speaker 1: I can find the time. Like I don't kind of see,

533
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Speaker 1: I don't have time to watch your entire season because

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Speaker 1: it's not my job to do that. I looked at

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Speaker 1: a lot of highlights like stuff on YouTube, but they

536
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Speaker 1: don't put bad stuff in there, you know. But one

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Speaker 1: thing about Gholston I thought was interesting though we talked

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Speaker 1: about traits. He's a defensive end. Every one of his

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Speaker 1: sacks that they showed he's rushing from defensive tackle position,

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Speaker 1: like on third, so they probably have a spot for him.

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Speaker 1: They're thinking, all right, you're gonna play end, but on

542
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Speaker 1: third and long you might be the tackle we use inside, so, um,

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Speaker 1: you know there's there's different roles for these guys. Chauncey

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Speaker 1: told us, sorry, he told us on Friday night he

545
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Speaker 1: was a Senior Bowl guy. Him, Osa and Jibrilcox were

546
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Speaker 1: all Senior Bowl guys. He got to Mobile and the

547
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Speaker 1: defensive line depth chart was just loaded and there weren't

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Speaker 1: that many defensive tackles and he went straight to the

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he was with the Panthers or who,

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Speaker 1: but he went straight to the coaching staff and was like,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to play defensive tackle. It's there's more opportunity

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Speaker 1: for me to get reps and get noticed and do

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Speaker 1: that and like just move me if you want to

554
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Speaker 1: move me, and like that's for all my concerns about

555
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Speaker 1: some character issues. I think they drafted a lot of

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Speaker 1: like the quote unquote right kind of guys as well.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think if you don't if you don't

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Speaker 1: see I think O, DIGGI, Zoa and Gholston. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that you're you're probably going to be a utility guy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Yeah. I will say this though,

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Speaker 1: when you talk about the cornerback position and looking at

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Speaker 1: traits you just have to go back and look at

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Speaker 1: dan Quinn's defense in Seattle. They had Brandon Browner, who

564
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Speaker 1: was an undrafted guy that was six to four. You

565
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Speaker 1: had Richard Sherman who was six three and draft in

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Speaker 1: the fifth round. Again, not guys that come out of

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Speaker 1: college anybody thought were going to be great cornerbacks. But

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Speaker 1: they combined with two really good safeties to become maybe

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Speaker 1: one of the best secondaries maybe in my lifetime. So

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Speaker 1: that all being said, again, this is the kind of

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Speaker 1: defense he runs. Maybe he looks at it and says,

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Speaker 1: they may not be what everybody else values, but I

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Speaker 1: value them in my defense, and that's what matters. Where's

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Speaker 1: the Earl Thomas? I know I'm looking for that. We

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Speaker 1: haven't gotten to that yet. We'll maybe talk about that

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Speaker 1: a little later. All r let's say our first break

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Speaker 1: when we come back. Well, I'm gonna ask these guys

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Speaker 1: about the first round. Specifically, I want to know if

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys made the right decision selecting Slate. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I started selecting Michael Parsons over Slater in the first round. Here,

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Speaker 1: first round. The Cowboys were presented with an interesting prospect.

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Speaker 1: They had gotten to pick seven, and at that point

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Speaker 1: to them. They had Horn, they had Certain, they had

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Speaker 1: those cornerbacks get selected at eight and nine, which was

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Speaker 1: a bit of a shock to me. I was expecting

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Speaker 1: at least one of those cornerbacks to be available to them,

639
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: but they both get snatched up. Cowboys are left with

640
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: a decision on and I don't even know if it

641
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: was a decision for them, And certainly was a decision

642
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: as we were all looking at it, but I don't

643
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 1: know if it was a decision for them. But they

644
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: are left with choosing between Slater and Parsons. They go

645
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: with Parsons. Do you guys think that was the right decision?

646
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: Let's start with you Amber Me personally, I think so,

647
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: And I think again, we don't know exactly what they

648
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: think exactly, But I have to go back to the

649
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: position and look at what positions each of those guys

650
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: were in right now. They keep saying how they feel

651
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: about Lyle Collins and Tyren Smith. They keep talking about

652
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: feeling good about them, them practicing on the field and

653
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: looking good, and they seem to be getting healthy and

654
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: expected to be back fully for the season. So maybe

655
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: they're what's the word I'm looking for, not scared, but

656
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: their concerned concern. Maybe their level of concern is not

657
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: as high as ours who are looking from the outside

658
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: and don't know as much information as these doctors do.

659
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: But I would have to just say because of that,

660
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: the fact that they do have two starters expected to

661
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: be back, and then you look at linebacker position, you

662
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: don't quite know. I mean, you could technically kind of

663
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: say the same about like invendor Ish, but maybe that's

664
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: because that's why you've drafted a linebacker because of that,

665
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: maybe because of Layton not necessarily being as healthy as

666
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: you would want him to be. And then you got

667
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, who you're still trying to figure out exactly

668
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do with them with him, and then

669
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: the depth at the position itself. So to me personally,

670
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: that's how I saw it as far as position itself

671
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: and the guys that you already have in your roster

672
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: versus talent wise. Okay, Nick, I definitely think that they

673
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: made the right choice. The worst defense in the history

674
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: of your franchise. You have the tenth pick, you got

675
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: moved it to the twelfth pick, and you still have

676
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: the chance to draft the highest rated defensive player on

677
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: the board. I just think they owe it to themselves

678
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: to do that. They they've been messing with the offense

679
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: for years. Offense is looking really good, but you have

680
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: a chance. You need to fix the defense. You didn't

681
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: do anything in free agency to really fix it. And

682
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: here's the best defensive player that you have rated. I

683
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: don't know where he ranks. Was Slater or they didn't

684
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: really mention that, I don't think, but you know, I think,

685
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: you know, like she said, there's so many question marks

686
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: at linebacker. This is a position that of need right now,

687
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: it's a long term need. And you know you're asking

688
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: Slater to move to guard to play right now and

689
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: then eventually play tackle. I'm sure you could do it.

690
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'd be great, but I just think you

691
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: had to fix your defense. It was so terrible and

692
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: you get a dynamic player. It's it's harsh for me

693
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: to say that I think they made the wrong decision.

694
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: I really I don't. At the end of the day,

695
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't have a ton of beef with making Micah

696
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: Parsons the pick. But it just it's an interesting example of, like,

697
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: there's so much more that goes into this than like,

698
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: here's how our board stacks up, and we're just gonna

699
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: take the guy on top of it. Because I believe

700
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: them that Micah Parsons was their highest grade. I absolutely

701
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: think they would have drafted one of the cornerbacks if

702
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: they had been there. Yeah, so you already know that

703
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: they're willing to bypass grade for Need and so we

704
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: I don't know Rashaan Slater's grade. I think it's very

705
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: reasonable to think he had a comparable, if not better one.

706
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons, I believe, started thirteen college games before opting out.

707
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: Rashaan Slater started thirty seven. It's played all over the line.

708
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: He got on people's radars because you can go watch

709
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: the tape of him bullying Chase Young, who just one

710
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year or excuse me, rookie of

711
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: the year, not player, and looks like he's gonna be

712
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: one of the best pass rushers you're gonna have to

713
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: face twice here. So like, the guy can do it,

714
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: and he's probably good enough to play guard. I think

715
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: he's probably better than Connor Williams if he got here today. So,

716
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: like I said, boom Er Bust, I think Rashon Slater

717
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: would would have been an absurdly safe pick. Micah Parsons

718
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: has a very very high upside at a in a

719
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: situation that they need more and I don't I hesitate

720
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: to use the word reach, but I think they delicately,

721
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, they leaned toward need, and they did it

722
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: throughout the draft the week before the draft, Nick and

723
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: I came on here and said, it's never ten defensive

724
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: picks to one offense have picked. Nobody does that. It's

725
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: gonna balance out, And it really didn't deny. They spend

726
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: eight of eleven on defense, and that to me says

727
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: they were leaning toward their need. And you know, they

728
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: would probably never say this publicly, but I wouldn't be

729
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: surprised if they're sitting in that room saying, even if

730
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: only three of these guys hit of the eight defenders,

731
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: that's you know, we're reworking a third of our defense

732
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: and we need that. And I don't really I don't

733
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: blame them for it because the offense, the offense should

734
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: should be what gets them to the playoffs. The defense

735
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: needs to be respectable. So if that's what they did,

736
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. But I have

737
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: more confidence right now that Rashaan Slater will repay that

738
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: pick than Michael Parsons. And again that's not to say

739
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons will be a bad player, but I that's

740
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: just how I feel. I think Slater was a safer pick.

741
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: Parsons has high upside. It's something they need a little

742
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: bit more. That's all. Yeah, I agree with you on that,

743
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: and I think the thing for me is, again, I

744
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: don't I wouldn't as you say, I wouldn't necessarily say

745
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: they made the wrong pick, because I think both these

746
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: guys are talented players that you could see bright futures

747
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: for both both of them. My personal preference is, when

748
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: you're taking a first round selection, get the guy that

749
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: has the greatest upside and also, in my opinion, the

750
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: greatest floor. Like I want to be as safe with

751
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: this first round pick as possible. I want a great player,

752
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: but I want a great player that I feel very

753
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: certain at the least is going to be really good

754
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: because he's in the first round, and especially if you're

755
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: up that high, you're not gonna be up that high

756
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: very often. So if you tell me at twelve, I'm

757
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get a tackle that I feel

758
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: like immediately comes in and is a better guard for me.

759
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: So imagine that for that offensive line this year. If

760
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: you actually get back Lyall Collins and Tyron Smith both healthy,

761
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: and you still got Travis I mean, I'm sorry, you

762
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: still got um um um the guard Martin Jack Martin

763
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: on the line, and you still got him, and then

764
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: you plug in Slater at the other guard. I really

765
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: don't care who you put at center. That is back

766
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: to when the Cowboys had a dominant offensive line a

767
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: few years ago. Like that's the kind of offensive line

768
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: that you now have again. And I feel very confident

769
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: if those guys are healthy, that your offense is gonna

770
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: be really, really, really good. And I don't think this

771
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: defense is one player away, so I don't think that

772
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: linebacker necessarily changes things. I go back to your point

773
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: Dave earlier about if you still manage to somehow be

774
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: able to get Cocks later, then you still address that position.

775
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: But now your offensive line is secured, not only for now,

776
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: but whenever that tackle, whenever Tyron Smith decides to retire,

777
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna play forever. Whenever he decides to retire,

778
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: You not got Slater or just waiting there in the wings,

779
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: just popping right out there to left tackle, and you're

780
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: ready to roll for the next ten years. Right. So

781
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: to me, I just look at it like you had more.

782
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: You had more value now and in the future, and

783
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: it's by far I think a much safer pick. I

784
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: think Parksons can be great. He might end up being

785
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: all time great linebacker. Who knows, but I think there

786
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: is more. There's also a chance that he busts. More

787
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: of a chance that he bust than a chance that

788
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: Slater busts, in my opinion. Going back to the boom

789
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: or bus thing, I mean, if if Calvin Joseph had

790
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: no you know, character flags, whatever you want to call him,

791
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: he's the first round pick. There were people talking about

792
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: him as a first round pick anyway, as a pure

793
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: football player. A lot of people think he's better right

794
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: now than Trayvon Diggs was coming out. But I think

795
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 1: him and him and Parsons, the ceiling is sky high.

796
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: I think the floor is real low too, And that's

797
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: what makes it interesting. And that's also the thing about

798
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: second third round picks. Typically they are guys at half

799
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: skills that could make them a first round pick. There's

800
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: something about the medical or something that makes them not

801
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: be a first picks. Don't act like there's not guys

802
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: on this team like that, you know, the drafted Jordan

803
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: Lewis the same way third round pick that he was

804
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: in the middle of dealing with stuff that they had

805
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: to go and make phone calls about and figure out

806
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: what his situation was after they drafted him, they still

807
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: had to go back to court, he still had to

808
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: get charges or dropped or whatever it was. But they

809
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: were confident in there. So you know, this team was

810
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: doing their homework. They did their homework, Dave. You know

811
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: they did their homework, Joseph, No, that's honestly they did.

812
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: And that's a really good point is like we sat

813
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: here after that draft and talked about Jordan. You know

814
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: that that those allegations and all that stuff got dropped,

815
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: and like, you know, nobody has a bad word to

816
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: say about Jordan Lewis as a person like four years later.

817
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: So I mean it is fair to give these things

818
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. It that's nobody. Nobody's been

819
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: charged with a crime that I'm aware of, Like Kelvin

820
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: Joseph likes to rap and partaken which way again, it's fine,

821
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: It's fine if you're you want to be a rapper, Yeah,

822
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: in your side time, Like on the side, right, it

823
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: can't become your main thing when you're getting paid football.

824
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: It rubs me the wrong way. Like you know, a

825
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: lot of you know, not caring about football gets lumped

826
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: in with like doing literal crimes sometimes and that's not right.

827
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: So do you have some Nick, I probably shouldn't go

828
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm good. You know. Some of the funny thing is,

829
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: and this is something from working with Nick for so long.

830
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: He has this little tremble that happens when his lip

831
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: when he wants to say something but he knows he

832
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: shouldn't say it. And that's what I'll When he said that,

833
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna move on because I'm not

834
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: gonna keep pressing because he probably shouldn't say it. All right,

835
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 1: So we're gonna take it. We're gonna take our final break.

836
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: When we come back. I want to talk a little

837
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: bit about some news that broke there a couple of

838
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: players the Cowboys are releasing, and it goes back to

839
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: me to something that Steven Jones said this weekend about

840
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: why they drafted so many of these defensive players and

841
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: their desire to see these rookies come in and maybe

842
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: take the place of some of the higher price FETs.

843
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna go through some of these positions and see

844
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: what vets might be a little bit in danger. As

845
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: the Cowboys approach training camp and throughout training camp this

846
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: year of having their jobs taken by rookies. Well, when

847
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,560
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848
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,120
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849
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,600
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Speaker 1: I want you to kick us. Catch us up real

890
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Speaker 1: quickly on some news that happened this morning. There were

891
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: several players that have now been officially waived. Who are they?

892
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, it's been waved, Adam Redmond, Saveon Smith, Walter Palmore,

893
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: Ladarius Hamilton, came on Hall. If you're saying, who on

894
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: some of those guys? Some of those guys, um COmON?

895
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: Hall was added. I think after the season. Darius Hamilton

896
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: was here from last year, um like as a rookie

897
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: free agent. Pal Moore was I believe added in the

898
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: middle of the season when the seventy five guys were

899
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: in and out of the practice squad and all that stuff.

900
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: I mentioned their pocisition along with their name. Palmore is

901
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. Does it matter now? I mean, what

902
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: does he do? Guys in the back on the line.

903
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: I take this personally. I pride myself on you know,

904
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: I pride myself on knowing the roster, knowing the names,

905
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: knowing the faces. It's something that I've always taken pride in.

906
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: And last year, I'm I'm in a bad spot because,

907
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: like we didn't have access to the team, the roster

908
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: restrictions were different. Guys were moving back and forth more

909
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: than they ever have. Like we got this list earlier

910
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: today and I was like, Okay, I know Antoine like

911
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: the rest of them. Kimon Halls, a defensive back North Texas,

912
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: was never gonna make the team. Ladarius Hamilton, linebacker North Texas,

913
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: never gonna make it. Walter Palmore, defensive tackle, he was.

914
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: He was just kind of a practice bad guy. Saveeon

915
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: submid defensive back that Roethlisberger picked on at the end

916
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: of the Pittsburgh game that they won the game on.

917
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: Adam Redman, center guard that they've moved back, you know,

918
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: not good enough to ever make our team or roster,

919
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: not bad enough to be out of the league. They

920
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: just kind of back and forth. He'll probably go to

921
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: the Giants and then Antoine Woods defensive tackle, two point

922
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: one million dollar restrictive tender and they decided to let

923
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: him go. Yeah, And which is really weird because when

924
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: you asked, I asked, Sean Legal who's going to be

925
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: some of the leaders. And I mean, he named some

926
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: of the guys, but he ain't named Antoine Woods as

927
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: a leader. And you know, well, I think I think

928
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: it's really clear. Somebody mentioned it earlier in the show.

929
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: I think it was you that the thing you loved

930
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: about this draft is they were obviously looking for size.

931
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: That's something that Antoine's not. Like, he's not a big

932
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. He's a little bit shorter because he's a

933
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: big dude. He is. But you think, relatively speaking, like

934
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: these guys that are coming in, like just Draft sixty seven,

935
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: he's a small tackle and he's not agile enough to

936
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: be your three technique. He's not good. And I guess

937
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: for this particular defense, right And that's by the way,

938
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: Antoine Wood's gonna get picked up by somebody. He's gonna

939
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: play football in the NFL next season. I would doubt,

940
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: very seriously if he doesn't. And he'll be a contributor.

941
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: And I think he'll be a contributor like he was

942
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: with Dallas. He was never a great player here, but

943
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: he was a contributing player here. So I think that's

944
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: going to continue for him. He just may not be

945
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: a fit for this defense. Yeah, I was surprised. Sorry, no,

946
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: go ahead, I was just gonna say that I was

947
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: surprised the fact that when they did pick him up,

948
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: just because how vocal he's been on social media as

949
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: far as like, you know, I deserve this or that.

950
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: When he starts comparing himself to other rookie or younger

951
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: guys that are getting more or close to what he's

952
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: making and things like that in comparison, and you clearly

953
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: know that that did bother him, and he felt like

954
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: he was more deserving and of everything, of money, and

955
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: that's fair. You gotta fight for your paycheck and everything.

956
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: But after hearing that, I never thought they would pick

957
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: him up in the first place. Just because of that,

958
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: I started sensing maybe there was some kind of discontent,

959
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: and there clearly there was discontent. But yeah, that's why

960
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not as surprised us. You know, maybe that

961
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: we're doing that to get ready for the draft in

962
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: case they didn't get somewhere exactly what they were doing. Yeah,

963
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: I was going to just throw this to you, Dave.

964
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, they issued at two point one million dollars

965
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: tender for him. They didn't have to do that. For

966
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: restricted free agent. They did, and he signed it and

967
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: then after the draft, So what you think them has

968
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: bes part of what they got in the draft, whether

969
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: it be Bohannah, Yeah, well it's I think it's a combination.

970
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 1: They drafted two pure defensive tackles and then a third

971
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: guy who can play defensive tackle. So do the numbers.

972
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: And then to your point, Stephen Jones is talking to

973
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: anybody who will listen about how they want to get cheaper.

974
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: He's he said, he you know, it might be a stretch,

975
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: but it's he hopes all eleven draft picks can make

976
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: the roster, because that's eleven guys making pennies compared to

977
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: even even what Antoine was making, which that is a

978
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: precarious place to be in the NFL. Is like when

979
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: you reach the stage where you're making more money but

980
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: you're not good enough or valuable enough that you're stuck

981
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: on the team. Like for everybody that wants to whine

982
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: about Jayalen Smith, he's here, his his salaries. Guaranteed, it

983
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: would kill them financially to get rid of him this year.

984
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: If we're talking about right now, right now, we're talking

985
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: about right now about Antoine Woods as soon as they

986
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: release him, they get all that money back. There's nothing guaranteed,

987
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: and like, if you're in that position, like, and I'm

988
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: not trying to come for anybody's job, but Cedric Wilson

989
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: signed the same tender. They drafted a receiver. They brought

990
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: in four undrafted guys, Noah Brown. I think he signed

991
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: for like a mill there. It ain't nothing guaranteed with

992
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: those deals. And you better come to training camp ready

993
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: because that's the type of guy they're looking to get

994
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: rid of. They're not looking to get rid of Jalen Smith.

995
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: They can't. They're looking to say, who here's making one

996
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: to five million that we can get rid of or

997
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: trade or cut or whatever that a rookie can come

998
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: in and replace that production better be at Dax House.

999
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and which every day. That is a wonderful point.

1000
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Cedric is one of das guys, So I

1001
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: mean there is that to consider. But I think negotiation,

1002
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: they're they're what I think, I think they're eight million

1003
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: under the cap technically, but they signed eleven, they drafted

1004
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: eleven guys, so they're right, they're right up against it.

1005
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: And I you know, I'm not asking you to care

1006
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: about the cowboys financial situation, but that's stuff that they've got,

1007
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: and the TV money is going to kick in eventually,

1008
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 1: but not right now. So if they can do anything

1009
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: to buy themselves some space, they're gonna do it. So,

1010
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, I don't to be honest, I was a

1011
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: little surprised that they released Antoine so soon, like I

1012
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: thought it might happen after training camp or whenever. Well,

1013
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: they did have to get below ninety and they get

1014
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: the other guys they cut were you know, Antoine has

1015
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: started thirty two games for this team, so I'm a

1016
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: little surprised by that too. But but again, you can

1017
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: if you can find two million dollars in space and

1018
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: you think you can get away with it, I'm not surprised.

1019
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm not shocked. Let's be clear. This also could have

1020
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: been a thing where where maybe Antoine one at this

1021
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: maybe Antoine his reps talk to the Cowboys and say, hey,

1022
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: this is a very deep group. We'd love the opportunity

1023
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: to be able to be free agent. Remember he was restricted,

1024
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: so he didn't have the ability really to go out

1025
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: there and kind of look to see where it's the

1026
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: best fit for him, and Cowboys may have been like,

1027
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: you know, in the likelihood have been making this team,

1028
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: it's probably small we'll get We'll do him a salo.

1029
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: Let him go out there and try to see what

1030
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: he can find. Right, who knows that fighting And that

1031
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: might have been a conversation because if you remember, he

1032
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: signed the exclusive rights free agent tag last year, which

1033
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: gives you even fewer you know, you have even fewer

1034
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: options under that tag, and he sort of held out,

1035
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: like he didn't sign it until like right before training camp,

1036
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: whereas this year he signed it. You know, immediately he

1037
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm on board. So maybe that was

1038
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: a conversation of like, sign the tag, we'll see what

1039
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: happens after the draft. And yeah, they might have known

1040
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: like if we get some defensive tackles people, we'll let

1041
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: you talk. You know, who knows. All I'm saying is

1042
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: I don't think we should assume sure that that Antoine

1043
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: was upset with this, like this could have been something

1044
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: that maybe may have been more helpful. Yeah, you know

1045
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: what I mean, he knows how to deal with these

1046
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: kind of situations and maybe you know, there'll be other

1047
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,959
Speaker 1: options for him. But I think it was more about

1048
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: the scheme, you know, for him. Okay, so there's we're

1049
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: gonna do. Let's go down the list. I'm gonna show talk.

1050
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna name the player that got drafted, and obviously

1051
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: there are players at that position. I want you to, guys,

1052
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: to tell me who what veteran you think should be

1053
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: going to training camp with a renewed sense of focused

1054
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: knowing that their job may be in jeopardy. Let's start

1055
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: with linebackers. You got Michael Parsons being drafted. You got

1056
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: guys Jalen Smith, Laton Vander esh Keyan O'Neill who was

1057
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: a newcomer, Luke Gifford, Francis Bernard, Michael Parsons Andrew bill

1058
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: Cox being the two draft picks. Who is who are

1059
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: the veterans that need to be concerned Luke Gifford and

1060
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: Francis Bernard. That's I would be. I guess anything's possible.

1061
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: Crazy how you call them veterans, I know, but it's

1062
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: just crazy. It's hard to imagine too much happening at

1063
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: the top of that depth chart. I mean, they could,

1064
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: they could cut Kean O'Neill. They didn't give him that

1065
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: much money, but he's dan Quinn's a one year deal. Yes,

1066
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: it's one year, I think only three million and guarantees.

1067
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: It's like it's a very similar deal to what Haha

1068
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: got last year, so they could. But he's you know,

1069
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: he's dan Quinn's guy, unless he's absolutely terrible, and unless

1070
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: I look at Brill Cox, is that kind of guy? Yeah,

1071
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: jabro Cox just balls out in training camp and Keyan

1072
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: O'Neill is not quite what they wanted or expect. I

1073
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: think that could be a one that's really questionable. It's right,

1074
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: that's fair, But I guess I'm putting a lot of

1075
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: emphasis on the dan Quinn connection. Again, dan Quinn was

1076
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: super reluctant to label anybody in this defense the other

1077
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: night when he talked to us, but he was like, oh, yeah,

1078
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: Keian is going to play linebacker, He's going to do

1079
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: this that, And they like, that's his dude. So it

1080
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: would surprise me, but we should mention him. I wouldn't

1081
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: mentioned for me, I wouldn't mentioned Kano, but just because

1082
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: he's valuable because of the fact that he has the

1083
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: ability to play those two different positions in the secondary

1084
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: or linebacker, in two areas that the Cowboys clearly have

1085
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: struggled with in the past. Year, So you never know

1086
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: what kind of injuries are going to happen throughout the season.

1087
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: You never know how any of these younger guys are

1088
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: going to develop into. So that's why I wouldn't say

1089
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: necessarily Kan O'Neil not to make the team or anything like.

1090
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: You know, he's someone that I know or think that

1091
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna definitely have a role somewhere on the defense. Now,

1092
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: as far as these other guys, unfortunately, I'm gonna have

1093
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: to agree with Dave and go with look, Geff and

1094
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: Frances Bernard just because no, you know what, screw that, No,

1095
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: screw it, I'm gonna go with Jalen. I'm just gonna

1096
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: go ahead, Jalen and Layton. That's the I think that's

1097
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: the answer here. Yeah, because these two guys, I'm sorry

1098
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: to cut you off with these two guys that they

1099
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: were drafted turned both of those players, Jayalen and Layton

1100
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: into contract years. This is a contract year for both

1101
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: of them now, So I think I think, you know

1102
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: it's I would put it on them and I would

1103
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: say this, I agree with you. I don't think it

1104
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: necessarily means they'd be out the door this year. I

1105
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: do think it could mean they're out the door next year,

1106
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: all right, whatever happens right now, then absolutely that's why

1107
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: those guys are here. Yeah, Micah Parsons and Jabril Cox

1108
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: are here because the linebackers have underwhelmed. I just again,

1109
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: we love to act like it's a pure meritocracy. I

1110
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: don't understand how you can cut Jalen Smith in twenty

1111
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: twenty one. No, you don't cut him. But there's a

1112
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: bench that plenty of space. And I keep saying it,

1113
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: I what No, I mean, I mean, I'm gonna say it.

1114
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: I think, Okay, with Layton, the bad thing is you

1115
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: don't know injury wise, so he might be out. Not

1116
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: because he's performing bad and he struggled into he struggled,

1117
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt

1118
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: because of the injuries that he's been dealing with, because

1119
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: we know many of these guys still play through injuries. Um,

1120
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: but Jalen, I mean, if he goes back into that

1121
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: whole thing where he's all over the defense and not

1122
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: really knowing all, here comes the running back and he

1123
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: got away and the running game of the opponent. They

1124
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: rushed who knows how many yards, So at that point

1125
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: if any of these guys do any show me any

1126
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: kind of spark, I'm saying, hey, take a break, go

1127
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: sit down over there, take a water break, and let's

1128
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: put these guys in and let's see how they do.

1129
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: I do I well, well, Freakin said age, because I

1130
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: hope that they've got the guts to sit Jalen and

1131
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: or Layton. If Parsons and or Cox is that much better,

1132
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: Like if Parsons is what we think he can be,

1133
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: and he's just he can cover sideline to sideline in

1134
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: the blink of an eye and get after the you know,

1135
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: get downfield and sat like, if he can do everything

1136
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 1: we think he can, he should be on the field

1137
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: the most of any of the three. I will say

1138
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: this that this is something that I think, at least

1139
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: I had the impression when Jason Garrett was here he

1140
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: was partial two vets, Like I think he got his

1141
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: vets and he loved his vets and he didn't want

1142
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: to get rid of he didn't want part ways with

1143
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: the vets. I don't know if I know yet what

1144
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy is. I do think he took way too long,

1145
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: and maybe it wasn't his call, but I think as

1146
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: a team. They took way too long last year with

1147
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: some of those vets they brought in to make the

1148
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: decision to either sit them down or get rid of

1149
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: them because they weren't playing well. It was clear they

1150
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: weren't playing well, and they step kept putting them out there.

1151
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: Maybe they feel like they didn't have a lot of

1152
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: other options. I don't know, But I don't know if

1153
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: that was because McCarthy was making that decision and he

1154
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: was tied to his vets and he trusted vets more

1155
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: than he would a young guy, or he's a situation

1156
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: where he didn't think he had a lot of options.

1157
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: I think this will be an interesting off season in

1158
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: summer for us to figure out how he feels about veterans,

1159
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: because you know, we did see during training camp they

1160
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: did you know, they let his boy go, and so

1161
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: that that was his guy from Green Bay that they

1162
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: let walk right out of the door, and so I

1163
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: look at it. I want to find out a little

1164
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: bit more about how he feels about vets, because I

1165
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: think we pretty much know what Jason felt. I want

1166
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: to see how McCarthy feels about veterans. All those guys,

1167
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: all of the Vets were guys that Jason Garrett brought in.

1168
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 1: Other like, these two draft classes are the only ones

1169
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy was responsible for bringing here. Yeah, so that's

1170
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: that's a good point. All right, Let's go ahead and

1171
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: move on to the next position. We're not gonna get

1172
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: through much of this, so we we'll save some of

1173
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: this for next week. But let's talk about the cornerback position.

1174
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph selected in the second round out of Kentucky.

1175
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: You've got Treyvon Diggs, Jordan Lewis, Anthony Brown, Reggie Robinson,

1176
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph, and Nahan right, obviously being the two drafted players.

1177
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: Who do you think should be the players that should

1178
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,919
Speaker 1: be really worried at this point going into training camp.

1179
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I guess, you know, Reggie

1180
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: Robinson to make the team. You know, Anthony Brown, I

1181
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: mean better, he better play well. I mean, I'm sure

1182
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: they could probably part ways with that contract if they

1183
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,479
Speaker 1: wanted to. Um, you know, I mean you could throw

1184
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: him in that mix. Um, let's not forget And is

1185
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: Kennedy in there? He is? Technically, I haven't he's on

1186
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: the list. I've been meaning to ask if he's definitely

1187
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: coming back. I mean his contract told so he's still here.

1188
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: But I mean I haven't never met the guy, never

1189
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: talked to him. I almost forgot about him. I saw

1190
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: his name, forget about it. And then then when you

1191
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: just said, I was like, oh, they did bring him

1192
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: last year, and they had a role in my depresional team. Yeah,

1193
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: they did have a role in my good wins, which is,

1194
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the best betchal teams player they've had

1195
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: in a long time. Honestly, he's the best sense and

1196
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: maybe even be better than Jeff he special teams, I agree,

1197
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: which he makes plays is the point. Yeah, obviously Heath's

1198
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: name is being mentioned. He's a guy that probably has

1199
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: been cut or by the Raiders. I don't think the

1200
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: Cowboys have interested in that right now. What we'll need

1201
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: to go backwards, like keep going forward, Just keep moving forward.

1202
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: Three guys only three guys picked off my homes last year.

1203
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't care. Keep moving forward, like I know, well, yeah,

1204
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm moving forward. But I'm just saying, if he's a

1205
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: backup safety that can play special teams like he should,

1206
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: that's what he should have been all along, not a starter.

1207
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: He should have been a backup player to play special teams.

1208
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: That's what he's really good at. That's what he But guys,

1209
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, guys want to make millions, I guess, or

1210
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: the guy that want to be a starter. But I mean,

1211
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, you see it in the NBA too, you

1212
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: see guys that are starters. But really, when they get

1213
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: back to that role player, that's what they're better suited for.

1214
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: And that's what I think Jeffy's better to do. But

1215
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: I don't believe the Cowboys are going to go that route,

1216
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: all right, Dave, I mean, Reggie Robinson and Maurice Kennedy's

1217
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: probably the best answer. I do specifically wonder about Anthony

1218
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: Brown because I mean, we know he can play inside

1219
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: and outside, but Jordan's really mainly only ever been a nickelback.

1220
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,439
Speaker 1: And it's hard to imagine dan Quinn drafted a bunch

1221
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: of you know, they drafted Grout if you're familiar with

1222
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: Marvel and so it's hard to imagine. It's hard to

1223
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: imagine they're going to put a five ten corner on

1224
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: the boundary if dan Quinn likes all these super big,

1225
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: super long corners. So Anthony Brown stands out to me

1226
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: as a guy like, you know, maybe he loses a

1227
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: starting job if Kelvin joseph Is lives up to the hype.

1228
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I just looked it up,

1229
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: like you could, you could cut or trade Anthony Brown

1230
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: or Jordan Lewis and get away with it. But I

1231
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: think they're probably more valuable to you on the team

1232
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: than off because, like you know, George, I think Jordan

1233
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: Jordan would hit you for like here, I got it

1234
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: right here. Jordan would hit you for four million, and

1235
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: you don't save any money by doing it. Anthony Brown

1236
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: would hit you for five million and you save one million.

1237
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: So like, if you're just desperate to get them off

1238
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: your team, you could, but I think you'd rather just

1239
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: have healthy cornerbacks. So like the money, I mean, what

1240
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: we're hearing from Steven is like they want to do

1241
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: this because they get these deals. Wouldn't save you money

1242
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: the way that like Antoine Woods, It's like, if you're

1243
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: desperate to not have him here, you could do that,

1244
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: but I don't see that. So I think that you're

1245
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: just having four or five quality cornerbacks is a good

1246
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: problem to have, and that yeah, Reggie Robinson and Maurice

1247
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: Kennedy are probably maybe looking over at Dson without even

1248
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: getting a shot last year on the field of cruel

1249
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: It's a cold world out here, man on the street,

1250
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: cold world, all right, Amber, Like, I don't care more

1251
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: than all of us combined. I mean, I know, I'm

1252
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: just saying, you know, he didn't get a chance to

1253
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: get in the game, so he does have Yeah, him

1254
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: might be a safety honestly, And I do think, and

1255
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: I had this written down here, does is he a

1256
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: guy that maybe they's because I and I don't want

1257
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: to go too far into that conversation, but I think

1258
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: if you look at anything that the Cowboys didn't really

1259
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: address much in free agency or the draft, it's safety.

1260
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: There's still possibly some opportunity there for some player who

1261
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: could step up into that world. Go ahead, Amber, I'm

1262
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to agree with what they said. When he

1263
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: comes to Anthony Brown though, even though he's a guy

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Speaker 1: that last year, you know, we've been talking about him

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Speaker 1: and just seeing the way he struggled on the field,

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Speaker 1: it's just hard for me to imagine right now someone

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Speaker 1: else kind of taking over that right now because of

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Speaker 1: the amount of time. You know, there's a curve, a

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Speaker 1: learning curve that needs to happen there. So just the

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Speaker 1: fact that he is a veteran and has the game.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say, oh, he's gonna be the best

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Speaker 1: player or the best cornerback or anything. But because of

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Speaker 1: his experience, I think that's still valuable. So it's just

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Speaker 1: gonna come down to Kennedy and these guys that haven't

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Speaker 1: really done much, and unfortunately you have to say bye

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Speaker 1: to some of them. All Right, that's a rap. We're

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Speaker 1: going to be back next week and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: some of these other positions. We have more we got

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Speaker 1: to go through. We'll talk about defensive tackle, defensive end,

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Speaker 1: offensive line. There's more to get to there, maybe wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about some positions maybe like the safety

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Speaker 1: position that the Cowboys have not addressed enough in free

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Speaker 1: agency or the draft, and what the Cowboys should do there.

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Speaker 1: We'll do all that when we come back next week.

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Speaker 1: Till then, For Nick Eatman, Dave Helm and Amber Garcia,

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Speaker 1: I am Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live

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