Speaker 1: Well, I once again am completely in the dark, and
Speaker 1: therefore you guys are both in the dark as well
Speaker 1: about what this opening to our show is going to be.
Speaker 1: All I was told just thirty seconds ago, is that
Speaker 1: producer Jensen Carp, husband of this podcast, is I found
Speaker 1: another clip I think maybe an audio clip, and so
Speaker 1: he is here, he is, He's going to join us
Speaker 1: to share with us another audio clip.
Speaker 2: No idea what it.
Speaker 3: Is, Nike will be audio For those who see this
Speaker 3: on or listen to it on Apple podcasts or wherever
Speaker 3: you get your beautiful show.
Speaker 2: It's a video clip.
Speaker 3: It's a video on YouTube, and you know, every once
Speaker 3: in a while, I will go searching. It's one of
Speaker 3: my skills. It's almost like an archaeologist of sorts trying.
Speaker 4: To find the Indiana Jones of YouTube.
Speaker 3: Trying to find fossils of the past. I like to
Speaker 3: call him embarrassing fossils you don't necessarily know are on
Speaker 3: the Internet. I don't know, just trying my hardest. And
Speaker 3: this one I'm not going to say as a hidden gem.
Speaker 3: I didn't find something, you know, that's just like being unearthed.
Speaker 3: Right now, we've gotten emails about it. A couple of times,
Speaker 3: but I have never heard this person talk about it.
Speaker 3: Will do you remember rapping about the way movies were made?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, yes, I like to.
Speaker 3: So. Will was a Nickelodeon star before being on Boy
Speaker 3: Meets World. And by a Nickelodeon star, I mean, he
Speaker 3: was like all over the channel.
Speaker 2: He would like the face of Nickelodeon.
Speaker 6: He was.
Speaker 3: He was like a big interstitials commercial guy. They sent
Speaker 3: him out to meet celebrities, like I just watched a
Speaker 3: very cute interview he did with Weird Al And one
Speaker 3: of the things that I really have taken from watching
Speaker 3: these clips of Will is he was like a really
Speaker 3: precocious kid, like when he was younger than Boy Mets World.
Speaker 3: When he was like even in his kind of preteens,
Speaker 3: that kid had zero fear. Like it's like it's actually
Speaker 3: semi terrifying, like if.
Speaker 4: A zero and a bunch of nicotine. He was just
Speaker 4: fueled by purples and cigarettes.
Speaker 3: Like a celebrity wouldn't even like push back on him
Speaker 3: a little bit, and Will would not step down. He
Speaker 3: would like to ask the same question again. He was
Speaker 3: like a little Heraldo.
Speaker 5: He was the coolest kid ever. He was.
Speaker 3: He's extremely cool and he was listening too, and I like,
Speaker 3: this clip is so funny to me number one, as
Speaker 3: a big rap fan, but like two, it's so crazy
Speaker 3: because like he was on a sketch show. Can you
Speaker 3: explain this sort of sketch show.
Speaker 6: Yes, So, so Nickelodeon at the time was looking for
Speaker 6: their quote unquote flagship show, so they created something called
Speaker 6: Don't Just Sit There, and it was exactly was a
Speaker 6: young Saturday Night Live. We had a band, we had
Speaker 6: special guests, we would do skits. And I was not
Speaker 6: on the first season, and then one of the hosts
Speaker 6: didn't work out, so I came on I think season two,
Speaker 6: and it was my first on camera job. I was
Speaker 6: eleven years old and I got to move to New
Speaker 6: York City. I moved there with my older brother Gary,
Speaker 6: and I went to a studio every day and we
Speaker 6: got to you know, they took us to you can't
Speaker 6: do that on television, and we got slimed and we
Speaker 6: got to know everyone on Nickelodeon. It was like back
Speaker 6: in the eighties. So it was it was pretty awesome.
Speaker 3: It looks fun And so one of the sketches on
Speaker 3: this SNL like show for kids is that I think
Speaker 3: the theme of the week has to do with like
Speaker 3: Hollywood and making movies.
Speaker 6: No, this is actually even worse. So we were moving.
Speaker 6: Nickelodeon Studios was Viacom. Nickelodeon was in New York City,
Speaker 6: and they moved to Universal Studios in Orlando. And when
Speaker 6: you went on the Nickelodeon Studios tour, this was the
Speaker 6: video that played to everybody to show them how movies
Speaker 6: were made.
Speaker 3: So Will is employed to create a rap about how
Speaker 3: movies are made. And you see this in the theme park.
Speaker 3: And so I figured we watched this and play it
Speaker 3: and listen to it, and then at certain points we'll
Speaker 3: deposit and just talk about what we're watching, because I
Speaker 3: do think just for our own health, it's worth maybe
Speaker 3: checking in on each other.
Speaker 2: My name is Will and now i'm your host.
Speaker 1: Charge.
Speaker 2: Do you see shooting in the studio?
Speaker 4: Then you bring a picture and we took it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he's dressed like a rodeo clown.
Speaker 5: Yes, what are you wearing? It's like what they told
Speaker 5: me too.
Speaker 3: It's so confident.
Speaker 4: Can we talk about the squiggles, the little those nineties.
Speaker 2: We're in the's commercial too.
Speaker 4: That is the thing, right that like pseudo confetti look,
Speaker 4: I had a mullet, Danielle.
Speaker 5: It was okay.
Speaker 2: The mullet was very cool.
Speaker 6: Wearing my shirt said fresh boy, and that's who I
Speaker 6: was supposed to be wash fresh boy.
Speaker 3: Hey, wait, will do you remember taping this?
Speaker 5: I do, I absolutely do.
Speaker 3: Were you into it?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Because you know?
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 5: Here's the other thing a lot of people don't know
Speaker 5: about me.
Speaker 6: Is one of my favorite things to do from the
Speaker 6: time I was like eight to twelve was breakdance.
Speaker 4: So fun.
Speaker 5: So I've never seen you BREAKDANCEDO.
Speaker 4: Can you still do it?
Speaker 5: Can you have no idea? I'm forty seven. I would
Speaker 5: probably hurt myself. That's a wow. I've never seen you
Speaker 5: dance like that. I never did again.
Speaker 6: I think I slow danced at my wedding and after
Speaker 6: a little bit of of the free bourbon bar, I
Speaker 6: might have danced a bit, but I'm not a dancer.
Speaker 7: Guy.
Speaker 3: Let's watch the rest.
Speaker 2: Come on over here and dig the a d this
Speaker 2: joy stick in my head. I make the picture go
Speaker 2: go ho and depend on how I could it. That's
Speaker 2: the way the story goes.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yes, oh my gosh, Well that's spectacular.
Speaker 6: You want to know something, I remember every word you.
Speaker 5: All right, let's do it. Let's do it. Go ahead, start.
Speaker 5: Oh god, you can't even know. I can't sorry, why wait?
Speaker 5: Give me this, Give me the start, give me the
Speaker 5: very start of it. How did it start again?
Speaker 3: You think we know?
Speaker 5: But give me the just start to start the video
Speaker 5: one time.
Speaker 6: Let's say, my ny is Will and now I'm your host.
Speaker 6: I'm the editor in charge of what's called video post.
Speaker 6: You see, shooting in the studio is only part one,
Speaker 6: because then we bring the picture here and we begin off.
Speaker 3: The spirit of fresh Boy fresh sweating profusely here right now,
Speaker 3: by the way, you still know, now we know what
Speaker 3: we have to do at the next live show.
Speaker 7: Yes you are.
Speaker 4: You are totally coming on stage as fresh Boy at
Speaker 4: the next live show.
Speaker 5: I want pants. That's one of two rap songs I've recorded.
Speaker 3: Wow, bye, guys, I got something to fun.
Speaker 7: Exactly sure.
Speaker 6: The other one is the ron Stoppable is the Impossible rap,
Speaker 6: which went big in the in the what the late
Speaker 6: two thousand or mid two thousands. So yeah, that was
Speaker 6: my second rap. So Nickelodeon was so much fun to
Speaker 6: work with. Every week you're in a food fight, you
Speaker 6: did something.
Speaker 5: It was great. There was well yeah, so Wow. Thank
Speaker 5: you for that.
Speaker 2: Producer Jensen Carr, husband of.
Speaker 6: This podcast, husband of this podcast, Thank you for that.
Speaker 3: I will continue to search the internet far and high
Speaker 3: and low and high and wide. I will do it
Speaker 3: and I will find something for all of you.
Speaker 7: Take care.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Please don't no, no, We're happy with this one.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Bye bye. Oh man. That was good will
Speaker 2: boy like.
Speaker 5: A pig over here. Wow, very impressive.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm right
Speaker 2: or Strong.
Speaker 6: And I'm the editor in charge of what's called Video
Speaker 6: Post Fresh Boy Fresh.
Speaker 1: Now, as you guys have heard discuss many times during
Speaker 1: our time on Boy Meets World, we have ran into
Speaker 1: a lot of awkward situations as kid actors.
Speaker 2: But the one most people.
Speaker 1: Talk about, at least now that we've started this podcast
Speaker 1: is what's the deal with the other Harley Kiner?
Speaker 5: What is the deal? What is the deal?
Speaker 1: So we had Danny on to tell his story and
Speaker 1: he talked to us about how, you know, basically, a
Speaker 1: mental break during a table read hospitalized him and then
Speaker 1: in essence forced him off the show. And of course
Speaker 1: this left production in a little bit of a pickle
Speaker 1: because he was in that week's episode and we had
Speaker 1: to come up with a replacement. They could have done
Speaker 1: a bunch of different things, but what they chose to
Speaker 1: do was just throw another actor into an already existing character,
Speaker 1: and there we have the other Harley Kiner. So, in
Speaker 1: one of the stranger decisions by Boy Meets World producers
Speaker 1: and honestly ninety sitcoms as a whole, they decided to
Speaker 1: cast a totally different actor, one who did not really
Speaker 1: look like Danny at all, to play the same character,
Speaker 1: Harley Kiner, and they said nothing about it in the
Speaker 1: middle of the season, and the actor they cast was
Speaker 1: Kenny Johnston. Now, let's be honest, Kenny walked into an
Speaker 1: unwinnable situation, as we talked about during his one episode
Speaker 1: Wrongside of the Tracks, the recap we did a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago. He did a great job, but filling the
Speaker 1: shoes of Danny and doing it surrounded by confusion and
Speaker 1: a bunch of broken hearts was impossible to over for
Speaker 1: all of us cast and ultimately the audience. So he
Speaker 1: did not return, which made way for Adam Scott to
Speaker 1: come in as Griff Hawkins, and that one episode with
Speaker 1: that Harley Kiner was never mentioned again, and then Danny's
Speaker 1: Harley does return in season three to close that loophole
Speaker 1: a little later. Are so Kenny after Boy Meets World
Speaker 1: would continue to act. He showed up on TV shows
Speaker 1: like News Radio and Modern Family, and he is still
Speaker 1: working today. So we've now heard Danny's story, We've heard
Speaker 1: Blake and Ethan's story, We've even heard Adam Scott's story,
Speaker 1: and today we hear another story. Let's please welcome to
Speaker 1: the show the other Harley Kenny Johnston.
Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 7: I'm good?
Speaker 5: How you doing doing well?
Speaker 1: We were just at Will was specifically just talking about
Speaker 1: He's dying to know which character you played on News
Speaker 1: Radio because Will, we'll probably be able to quote your
Speaker 1: lines from it.
Speaker 5: Also, which episode were you in?
Speaker 7: Oh geez, I don't know. I think it was the
Speaker 7: second season. I played a FedEx guy and they gave
Speaker 7: me a name, which was really nice. So I was
Speaker 7: in like two scenes. Okay, and the man, I haven't
Speaker 7: seen that show in a while. Is it Vicky Thomas?
Speaker 7: Who's the girl in at the Redhead?
Speaker 5: The Redhead? Oh? Yes, yes, I know, she plays Bat
Speaker 5: but I can't Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, So she had a big crush on him,
Speaker 7: and she grabbed the the FedEx guy and took him
Speaker 7: in a room and that was it.
Speaker 6: Okay, I do remember this episode.
Speaker 7: Okay, I think my name was it was Danny. I
Speaker 7: think they gave me a name.
Speaker 4: It's always a plus when you get a name, right,
Speaker 4: Just give me a name, not FedEx guy.
Speaker 5: That's so funny.
Speaker 1: Well, welcome, Thank you so much for being here with
Speaker 1: us today. We are really happy that we were able
Speaker 1: to get in touch with you. Did you ever think
Speaker 1: you'd be talking about an episode of Boy Me Toworld
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three?
Speaker 7: Never? Never, never, never, never never. But you know, every
Speaker 7: now and then, I actually work part time in his
Speaker 7: school over the years, and every now and then the
Speaker 7: students will be like, wait a minute, were you horrid? Yeah,
Speaker 7: and you know the students lit up. So you know,
Speaker 7: the show is really carried over the years. I think
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, through the generations, which is great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really has meant a lot to people. We
Speaker 1: were actually just talking about this the other night, writer
Speaker 1: and I were saying, no matter what age we have been,
Speaker 1: there's always been a seventeen year old who's a fan.
Speaker 2: Like, no matter how old we get.
Speaker 1: There's still always subwhere there's a seventeen year old who
Speaker 1: likes the show.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, which is great. But no, I'd never in
Speaker 7: a million years would I thought I'd be doing a podcast,
Speaker 7: which is great. I hear the podcast. You guys have
Speaker 7: like gazillion followers.
Speaker 1: I don't know about a gazillion, but we have a
Speaker 1: lot of very loyal listeners that we love, who love
Speaker 1: the show and love knowing about every detail. We Actually
Speaker 1: when we first started the podcast, we thought, well, we're
Speaker 1: going to have to figure out how much people actually
Speaker 1: care to know, like maybe some of the real inside
Speaker 1: baseball stuff they won't care about.
Speaker 2: And what we've discovered is that people.
Speaker 1: Just love it all. They want to know all the
Speaker 1: details they can. And so, as I mentioned in your introduction,
Speaker 1: we have had on Danny McNulty who came on to
Speaker 1: talk about his experience playing Harley Kiner. We had Adam
Speaker 1: Scott come on to tell his story as Griff Hawkins,
Speaker 1: and we talked to Ethan Sipple and Blake Soaper at
Speaker 1: the time who's now Blake Senate about their roles as
Speaker 1: Joey and Frankie. And you are like the last piece
Speaker 1: that's the puzzle, very bizarre puzzle.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's funny because when they were casting it, I
Speaker 7: guess Danny couldn't do do Harley anymore. So I think
Speaker 7: Michael Jacobs said that you're the last piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 2: Well that's so funny.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that is actually exactly what My first question
Speaker 1: for you is, what do you remember from your audition
Speaker 1: for Boy Meets World and what was the setup for
Speaker 1: how Harley Kiner was coming to you.
Speaker 7: Well, I didn't know that much about the script. You know,
Speaker 7: I knew about the character obviously, and it was a
Speaker 7: great character. And when they were interested in me and
Speaker 7: they brought me back, you know, to the producers and
Speaker 7: explain that there's already a character Harley and stuff and
Speaker 7: you're going to be replacing him, and that was all
Speaker 7: I knew, and I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 7: know anymore. Let me just focus on the scene and
Speaker 7: stuff like that, and uh and yeah, they just like
Speaker 7: what I did, and you know, I was I was
Speaker 7: kind of the bad boy character at that point in
Speaker 7: my life anyway, So.
Speaker 3: There's really much of a stretch. In fact, they saw me.
Speaker 7: Out on the back lot, you know, beating some guy's
Speaker 7: car up nice perfectly.
Speaker 5: That guy.
Speaker 7: We need that guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it was also part of it was a
Speaker 1: choice that they you were like, listen, I don't want
Speaker 1: to know too many details because I don't want that
Speaker 1: in my head. I just want to be able to
Speaker 1: take this character and make it my own. Did they
Speaker 1: try to show you clips of Danny? Did they want
Speaker 1: you to do any sort of Danny imitation? Or was
Speaker 1: it really like, listen, You're just going to take this
Speaker 1: character and make it your own, but of course, within
Speaker 1: the confines of it needs to be kind of this
Speaker 1: bad boy character.
Speaker 7: Yeah. They from what I remember, they didn't want me
Speaker 7: to know too much about the previous Harley got, which
Speaker 7: I think I think he played it a little more
Speaker 7: straight than I did. I played a little more goofy,
Speaker 7: which I think they liked the contrast. So yeah, I
Speaker 7: don't think they wanted me to see his work.
Speaker 4: Here's a question, have you seen his works since?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Or did?
Speaker 1: Had you seen it before? Had you seen an episode
Speaker 1: of Boy Meets World with him as Harley?
Speaker 7: No? No, I didn't see anything. You know, back then,
Speaker 7: we didn't really have you know, we didn't have the
Speaker 7: internet at our lecture to just look up all the episodes.
Speaker 7: So no, I didn't really know much about it. I
Speaker 7: looked up, you know, I got the TV Guide out
Speaker 7: and did as much research and recorded something on VHS
Speaker 7: I think. So yeah, I think I watched a couple
Speaker 7: of episodes that I taped, but Harley wasn't in those.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, So they were just regular episodes of Boys World,
Speaker 1: so you were at least familiar because yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: part of you want to know, right.
Speaker 7: It's little Brother. I'm like, wow, this is great. The
Speaker 7: show was great.
Speaker 1: So okay, so do you remember your first day on
Speaker 1: set and were you nervous walking into this, this replacement situation.
Speaker 7: I wasn't too nervous, you know. Michael was really great,
Speaker 7: and it was everyone was really warm and welcoming, and
Speaker 7: all you guys were really you know, I think, very
Speaker 7: accepting of the guest stars and stuff like that. So
Speaker 7: I wasn't really that nervous, you know. And that my
Speaker 7: two co stars Beneath Kicks, Yeah, they were great and
Speaker 7: we I think the three of us hit it off
Speaker 7: immediately and we were heard seeing and doing all kind
Speaker 7: of comedy bits, you know. Yeah, so it was fun.
Speaker 7: It was fun right off the bat.
Speaker 2: Good, okay, good.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I'm glad to hear I'm going because it was
Speaker 6: such a it was kind of a slap in the
Speaker 6: face week for us that, you know, just with Dan,
Speaker 6: with everything that happened with Danny in the beginning of
Speaker 6: the week, and and so it was it's nice to
Speaker 6: know that that didn't cause us to slip into a
Speaker 6: kind of like who's this person walking? You know. That's
Speaker 6: the thing that I was afraid of, is that you
Speaker 6: were going to come on here and maybe be.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, it was you. Guys were nice, but it
Speaker 5: was a little bit.
Speaker 6: Cold because we had a little bit of a boomerang
Speaker 6: effect from everything that happened. So I'm glad that we were.
Speaker 6: We were trying to hold it together a little bit ourselves.
Speaker 7: Fright. Yeahs were great. And let me ask you, I
Speaker 7: mean I might have known back Dan some of the details,
Speaker 7: but what did happen?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was just gonna say, do you know?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I don't writer?
Speaker 2: You want to you want to take it?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So Danny, Danny had been on already like what seven episodes? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: So he had done seven episodes as Harley, and they
Speaker 4: had written this episode, and we showed up at the
Speaker 4: table read and he had a real mental breakdown, like
Speaker 4: he just did not during the table read. He you know,
Speaker 4: he was struggling with mental illness essentially, and and couldn't
Speaker 4: get through the table read, barely got through the table
Speaker 4: read and and had had to go to the hospital,
Speaker 4: ended up in the hospital for multiple weeks. And so,
Speaker 4: you know, we as kids, nobody explained to us what
Speaker 4: was happening. We just were at this table and watched
Speaker 4: Danny not be able to finish the script, like not
Speaker 4: be able to say his line.
Speaker 2: I couldn't focus.
Speaker 4: I couldn't focus. I mean he had struggled with dyslexia anyway,
Speaker 4: so he was just not in the in the right
Speaker 4: mind frame to be able to read the script, like
Speaker 4: physically couldn't read. And you know, we I mean, I
Speaker 4: think what what we interpreted as kids was that something
Speaker 4: had gone on with drugs or.
Speaker 5: We didn't know that he was on drugs.
Speaker 4: We knew was that he was gone. And then you
Speaker 4: came in I think even later that day or the
Speaker 4: next day, and it was you know, and we just
Speaker 4: no one ever explained it to us. We never saw
Speaker 4: Danny and Danny did come back eventually, I think.
Speaker 2: The next season three, but yeah, he came back for
Speaker 2: one more and that was it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So this episode is a very bizarre moment in all
Speaker 4: of our memories, you know, where we have the episode
Speaker 4: with you playing Harley, which is also just kind of
Speaker 4: a bizarre choice, like why didn't they just make a
Speaker 4: new character.
Speaker 5: But instead they kept the script exactly as it.
Speaker 4: Was written and brought you in to play the same character,
Speaker 4: and it's it's you know, So it's one of those
Speaker 4: things we were like, what was going on that week?
Speaker 4: And then with this podcast we were able to bring
Speaker 4: Danny back and he was able to explain what was
Speaker 4: happening in his personal life and what was.
Speaker 1: All this time we've never really known, We've never really
Speaker 1: known what the situation was.
Speaker 6: Which was unfortunately perfectly in keeping with mental illness at
Speaker 6: the time in the nineties, where it was just like,
Speaker 6: let's not talk about it. It's for no showed under
Speaker 6: their road and the and one of the things we
Speaker 6: were saying is we we kind of said, well, because
Speaker 6: we were kids, they didn't let us in on it,
Speaker 6: and it's a mental health thing which nobody talked about
Speaker 6: but the adults didn't know what to do either. I mean,
Speaker 6: it was just kind of everybody like, all right, let's
Speaker 6: move on and hope he gets better, and just nobody
Speaker 6: spoke about it. So it was a it was a
Speaker 6: one of the more bizarre weeks we had, I would say,
Speaker 6: of the entire seven years of the show. And that's
Speaker 6: why you were so integral, because it was just all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, it was like, and here's the new
Speaker 6: Harley Go.
Speaker 1: And so it was it's really nice to hear, like
Speaker 1: Will was saying, it's really nice to hear that you
Speaker 1: felt warm and welcomed by everybody, because I also thought
Speaker 1: it's possible that even for Blake and Ethan, they didn't
Speaker 1: know what was going on, and so then to have
Speaker 1: somebody new come in, there was of course a possibility
Speaker 1: that you would have felt some sort of discomfort or
Speaker 1: awkwardness for any of us. So it makes all of
Speaker 1: us feel really good to know that your memory and
Speaker 1: the feeling you were left with was that you were
Speaker 1: very that you were welcomed, and that you were you know,
Speaker 1: given freedom to do your own things as the character.
Speaker 7: Let me ask you, did the producers explain at all
Speaker 7: what happened with Danny.
Speaker 2: Or they just know they didn't really know either, They
Speaker 2: weren't sure.
Speaker 1: He ended up being hospitalized for a month and was
Speaker 1: put on lithium and the but that took some time,
Speaker 1: Like he was taken to a mental health hospital, and
Speaker 1: it took some time for them for him to get
Speaker 1: a diagnosis. And like Will was saying, I think the
Speaker 1: adults really didn't know. They didn't know whether you know,
Speaker 1: the discussions we have now around mental health are it
Speaker 1: is night and day.
Speaker 2: It used to just be it was. It also felt
Speaker 2: like a violation to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, it's you know, it's a private thing, and
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody knew how to handle it or
Speaker 1: what to say. And so, you know, they didn't really know.
Speaker 1: So we didn't know what was going on. We just knew, Hey,
Speaker 1: this guy's coming in, this guy Kenny is here.
Speaker 5: Now, well, we knew the.
Speaker 4: Show must go on. You know, that attitude of like
Speaker 4: the show must go on was such a thing, which
Speaker 4: is just you know, that's what when we just watched
Speaker 4: the episode and for the first time, and it's it's.
Speaker 5: Bizarre because it could have so easily.
Speaker 4: They could have easily just had you come in as
Speaker 4: you know, Harvor something some other name and just like
Speaker 4: not reference. But it's interesting that they gave you all
Speaker 4: of his lines. You're calling Ben Baboon, which is what
Speaker 4: that character had done before. You know, it's like, it's
Speaker 4: it's clearly Harley Kiner. So it's a very bizarre choice
Speaker 4: that only could have happened in the nineties when there
Speaker 4: were no reruns.
Speaker 5: Well, what makes it even more bizarre is that our
Speaker 5: show was the king of rewrites, writing everything all the
Speaker 5: time up to and including in front of the audience,
Speaker 5: and then this happens and it's like, we're not going
Speaker 5: to write anything, like wait, what you do? That's all
Speaker 5: you do?
Speaker 6: So it was very strange, just every kind of and again,
Speaker 6: there is a very real possibility that the shock we
Speaker 6: felt as actors, they felt in the writer's room, where
Speaker 6: it was just this kind of everyone got into this
Speaker 6: weird tunnel vision of all right, put the show on,
Speaker 6: what the hell just happened, let's figure out next steps,
Speaker 6: and because nobody's kind of processing what actually took place.
Speaker 5: So that's true too. That's that could be true as.
Speaker 6: Well, is that we again it goes back to one
Speaker 6: of the overriding themes of this podcast. When you're a kid,
Speaker 6: you think the adults know everything that's going on and
Speaker 6: they know how to control everything, and they yeah, exactly,
Speaker 6: they are.
Speaker 5: We're thank god they're here because they and they don't either.
Speaker 6: Everybody's kind of stumbling through, especially something like this, which
Speaker 6: was so out of left field that it could be
Speaker 6: everybody just was was drop shocked again, had no idea
Speaker 6: what was going on.
Speaker 7: And it was this episode that he had the breakdown
Speaker 7: on when yeah, like.
Speaker 5: The day you got there, it was either the day, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that either.
Speaker 6: Happened in the morning on Thursday and then you were
Speaker 6: there for rehearsal Thursday night, or that happened on Thursday
Speaker 6: and you were there Friday morning.
Speaker 7: That's right, because but yeah, I remember I read in
Speaker 7: the morning and then they brought me back that same
Speaker 7: day for producers.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, oh, that must have been Monday. Excuse me.
Speaker 6: It would have been Friday and Monday, so they probably
Speaker 6: had the weekend to figure out what they do.
Speaker 5: But again they'd have the weekend to rewrite, I know.
Speaker 6: So they just probably went keep it as it is,
Speaker 6: brought you in Monday, and then that was it.
Speaker 5: So gosh, so strange.
Speaker 1: Were you told that this was maybe going to be
Speaker 1: a recurring role, did you?
Speaker 2: Did you have any idea?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought they did tell me that that this
Speaker 7: is one of two episod sodes I'm probably going to
Speaker 7: be in, But they were a little bit up in
Speaker 7: the air, you know. And and you know, I worked
Speaker 7: enough at that point not to get my hopes up
Speaker 7: to go, I'm going to be on the show, you know, regularly.
Speaker 7: But I was hoping, of course, you know, it would
Speaker 7: be at least a few more episodes or a couple
Speaker 7: more episodes.
Speaker 1: But right, wow, okay, And so do you have any
Speaker 1: real specific memories from shooting in front of the audience
Speaker 1: or working with Blake and Ethan? Like you said, you guys,
Speaker 1: the three of you got along very well and kind
Speaker 1: of fell into a natural rhythm together. Do you have
Speaker 1: any specific favorite memories from that week.
Speaker 7: So long ago? But but no, I just think, you know,
Speaker 7: the thing that we had together, and I think Ben,
Speaker 7: you know, was really great. And the other actor I
Speaker 7: can't think of his name as far as.
Speaker 2: Writer or strong. Yes, this name right here?
Speaker 7: Yeah, my god, you look great, by the way. So
Speaker 7: but no, I really, you know, I was a little
Speaker 7: nervous stepping into a character that was already there. So
Speaker 7: I was really focused on my lines and trying to
Speaker 7: to uh, you know, put in a really good performance
Speaker 7: and fit in and you know and make a good
Speaker 7: impression and all. But but no, I was just kind
Speaker 7: of I was really uh impressed by everyone's professionalism and
Speaker 7: how well you guys were already you know, what a
Speaker 7: good team you were and this was season two, correct, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: so it was great. It was stepping into such a
Speaker 7: professional stage and the teacher was great, you know. And
Speaker 7: I think the scene with the motorcycle was my favorite.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: It was like, you know, goofing around a little bit,
Speaker 7: and the teacher looked at me once with his eyes.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh my god, this guy is for real,
Speaker 7: you know, and uh and uh And I think that
Speaker 7: was probably my favorite scene. With the baseball bat, that's
Speaker 7: cool and the beautiful Harley I got to sit on too,
Speaker 7: that wass.
Speaker 5: That we talk about all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had you watch the episode so that you
Speaker 1: were familiar with the episode before you came on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Watching it.
Speaker 1: Now, when was the last time you saw Did you
Speaker 1: see it when it originally aired? Have you ever seen
Speaker 1: it since.
Speaker 7: I've seen clips of it, I think, you know, on
Speaker 7: on cable, you know, late at night or something. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 7: there I am. And then you know, when my my students,
Speaker 7: I was a teacher's assistant for a while, when my students,
Speaker 7: you know, got a kick out of it. You know,
Speaker 7: I would go back and watch it and go, wow,
Speaker 7: that was pretty fun. You know, that's great. I haven't
Speaker 7: seen it for a long time. I watched it last
Speaker 7: night at the house.
Speaker 1: It is And what was that like for you? What
Speaker 1: did you think about it? You know, nearly thirty years later,
Speaker 1: I forgot how.
Speaker 7: Many characters were in it. I was like, I totally forgotten.
Speaker 7: I mean for you, for you all, what was that
Speaker 7: kind of a standout episode in that what in that
Speaker 7: regard like Nancy Carrigan was in it, and there was
Speaker 7: so many different things happening in that episode or yeah,
Speaker 7: that's what.
Speaker 4: We couldn't believe that all of these all of these
Speaker 4: things happened in the same episode. Was like you came
Speaker 4: in playing Harley, which is already made it upizarre week
Speaker 4: Will went off and did this whole extra scene with
Speaker 4: Nancy Kerrigan in New York made it a very bizarre episode,
Speaker 4: and then also just it's a very dramatic episode. You know,
Speaker 4: it ends with like this heartfelt moment between me and
Speaker 4: mister Turner, and it was just like, oh, this is
Speaker 4: the beginning of that whole relationship. So it ends up
Speaker 4: being a seminal episode in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 3: That's what That's what.
Speaker 7: I was watching when I was watching it last night.
Speaker 7: I mean, your character had this kind of real, you know,
Speaker 7: enlightenment or it was going through this struggle about you know,
Speaker 7: Marie dumb and stuff. And I was like, wow, maybe
Speaker 7: maybe I should go back and watch all the seasons
Speaker 7: if it was just deep, if all the episodes of Great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it got deep, man, I mean and
Speaker 4: this is kind of the beginning of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So do you remember then after the taping how you
Speaker 1: were told or were you told that you weren't going
Speaker 1: to be coming back, or did you just not get
Speaker 1: that phone call for the second episode?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I did not get the phone call. And like
Speaker 7: I said, you know, they they he was really nice.
Speaker 7: You know, he wasn't promising anything. Mich sure, but you know,
Speaker 7: they liked me, and it did seem like I was
Speaker 7: going to come back for at least one more episode,
Speaker 7: but just just never got that call. And and you know,
Speaker 7: I was working on other stuff, which was great. I
Speaker 7: wasn't just sitting.
Speaker 2: Around waiting exactly, which is nice.
Speaker 7: But I knew something happened with the character. And I
Speaker 7: guess I didn't really research it looked too far into it,
Speaker 7: but I knew there was a possibility that maybe he
Speaker 7: would come back as well. You know, yeah the actor.
Speaker 4: Had you done live like a multi camera live audience
Speaker 4: show before, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 7: I did a show called Teach in nineteen ninety. We did, uh,
Speaker 7: I think we did thirteen episodes.
Speaker 5: I remember Teach. I remember Teach. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 6: It was like coming up was it was almost like
Speaker 6: a welcome Back Cotter kind of Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it was ahead of the class kind of.
Speaker 7: Welcome back Cotter. It was like a dead Poet Society
Speaker 7: meets Eddie Murphy meets Welcome Back Cotter kind of thing.
Speaker 5: Oh I remember Teach absolutely.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. So we ran like I think six episodes and
Speaker 7: then and then we are lead in was a Red
Speaker 7: Fox show and then he had a heart attack and
Speaker 7: unfortunately and that killed us as well. So yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 7: so I've done a you know, a fair amount of
Speaker 7: sitcom before that, you know, with the live oriens, and
Speaker 7: there's nothing like that, you know, I mean it's the best.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, man, they're still I think it's almost like
Speaker 7: there's a lot of them come back in the last
Speaker 7: like five years or so. It seems like it more
Speaker 7: you know, sitcom for camera.
Speaker 2: That's what we're hoping for, right Well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but please please.
Speaker 1: We've been I was I was just doing some press
Speaker 1: for a movie I directed, and it was one of
Speaker 1: the things they asked me. It was like, do you
Speaker 1: think there are going to be more multi camera comedies
Speaker 1: coming out?
Speaker 2: And I was like, this must be.
Speaker 1: In the in the universe, because it was it was
Speaker 1: it must be something people are talking about. And Will
Speaker 1: and I are both like we love it so much
Speaker 1: as a medium, and I'd love to see more of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kenny, you have a very full IMDb page.
Speaker 1: Does Boy Meets World ever come up for you? I
Speaker 1: know you mentioned for your students when you were a
Speaker 1: teacher's assistant, which I'd also love to get into. But yeah,
Speaker 1: are you ever out and about somewhere and somebody stops you?
Speaker 1: And of all the things they could mention they mentioned
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World.
Speaker 7: No, not in a long time, maybe about fifteen years ago,
Speaker 7: twenty years ago, you know, when it was still you know, they.
Speaker 5: Would rerun it and still on reruns.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, still and reruns you know at the supermarket,
Speaker 7: you know, twenty somethings would go, oh my god, that's Harley.
Speaker 7: That's Harley. And which is great because I only did
Speaker 7: one episode, so you know, after I after I had
Speaker 7: done it in air, after a few years, I'm like,
Speaker 7: no one's going to remember me just from that one episode.
Speaker 7: I mean, but but yeah, but people did recognize me,
Speaker 7: you know, back then, but not not much anymore though.
Speaker 1: So tell me about your your time as a teacher's
Speaker 1: assistant and what is that like a second career you
Speaker 1: have that you love and tell me tell me. We
Speaker 1: talk about that a lot on our podcast, about actors
Speaker 1: who have other passions and pursue other jobs, and we're
Speaker 1: always so supportive of that because you know, most of
Speaker 1: the time you hear about an actor doing something else,
Speaker 1: and in the press, it's presented like a sad story, like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so sad they're doing this other thing, and you're
Speaker 1: a lawyer.
Speaker 5: Now I'm sorry, exactly.
Speaker 7: What two hundred thousand a year as yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So tell me about your teaching work.
Speaker 7: Well, it was a got. I got the job around
Speaker 7: two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight when everything crashed,
Speaker 7: the market crash and it was the Great Recession, and
Speaker 7: I got worried and things slowed down for everybody. But
Speaker 7: I was also at that age where I wasn't the
Speaker 7: young guy anymore and I wasn't the dad yet, so
Speaker 7: I was at that hall. So I was like, maybe
Speaker 7: I should, you know, find something I can have just
Speaker 7: for some some extra income. So my friend worked at
Speaker 7: a nursing school actually was called West Coast University. It's
Speaker 7: a private nursing school credited, so you know, it was
Speaker 7: very very popular at the time. Everyone was running into
Speaker 7: nursing right around that. Sure, So I just became a
Speaker 7: teacher's assistant and I helped them design study guides and
Speaker 7: kind of like a proctor. I would sit in on
Speaker 7: test and which was great because I wasn't the teacher
Speaker 7: that theyd of hated. I was the in between, you know,
Speaker 7: that the guy they kind of liked, and it was fun. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So I did that for probably about seven to ten
Speaker 7: years and uh, and those kids were still you know,
Speaker 7: watching Boy Meets World and you know, a lot of
Speaker 7: the shows. So so it was fun and I liked
Speaker 7: it a lot. I got a lot out of it
Speaker 7: in terms of helping these people, you know, get their
Speaker 7: their BSA in nursing, which which isn't easy. They wore tests,
Speaker 7: it's hard. So yeah, yeah, and it would it would
Speaker 7: get their BSA in three years.
Speaker 3: So it was.
Speaker 7: It was. It was an accelerated program. Yeah. So there's
Speaker 7: a lot of stress, a lot of heartbreak and disappointment
Speaker 7: when they didn't pass because their parents would put so
Speaker 7: much money, you know, because it was the program itself
Speaker 7: was a lot of money. It was like, you know,
Speaker 7: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So so it was great.
Speaker 7: It was really rewarding and gave me a little, you know,
Speaker 7: a little side income. And then things picked back up
Speaker 7: and then I got back into the young dad and
Speaker 7: that's kind of.
Speaker 1: So tell us about what you're doing now and where
Speaker 1: we can find you. I know, all of our dear
Speaker 1: listeners are going to want to know more about you.
Speaker 1: So what's going on in your life now?
Speaker 7: Well? I did a I did a Hallmark Christmas movie.
Speaker 2: Oh that's what Will wants to do?
Speaker 7: My dream?
Speaker 2: My dream?
Speaker 5: Did you not like Christmas? And then find Christmas? Is
Speaker 5: that what happened? Like this is not?
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden like wait a minute,
Speaker 6: my heart's melted.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh my gosh, that's awesome.
Speaker 7: You know, I haven't watched many, but once I booked
Speaker 7: the job last I think last summer, I started going
Speaker 7: back and watching them, and it's true, it grabs your heart.
Speaker 7: You're like, oh my god, these movies are so good.
Speaker 7: You're thinking, you know, it's like Hallmarks, you know, but
Speaker 7: but no, it was. It was a great It was
Speaker 7: a good one. I think we got a lot of
Speaker 7: good feedback on it was called the Princeton Pauper Christmas.
Speaker 4: Yeah where did you shoot? Did you shoot it in Canada?
Speaker 7: Or was it we shot it here? We shot it here,
Speaker 7: But they do they a lot of a lot of
Speaker 7: the crew. They shoot a lot of them up there.
Speaker 4: But no, imagine that there's one that's actually Christmas Town
Speaker 4: where they make.
Speaker 6: All the Hallmark presents.
Speaker 5: This Christmas Town.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly exactly, but we we did shoot it. It
Speaker 7: was a fictitious town. I think I forget the name
Speaker 7: of it, but we shot it in a thousand Oaks
Speaker 7: at one of the Marriott's or double trees up there.
Speaker 7: But they most of the movie took place in this
Speaker 7: hotel where the prince and the pauper switched places. That's
Speaker 7: a famous old story, the Prince of Pauper. So they
Speaker 7: had the whole hotel locked down for like two weeks
Speaker 7: and we shot the movie, the whole movie in two weeks.
Speaker 7: So it was great. You know, we didn't have to
Speaker 7: you know, go to different locations around the city. We
Speaker 7: set up camped there and it was fun. It was
Speaker 7: a great experience. Everyone was great.
Speaker 2: So that's wonderful. So do you also have a social
Speaker 2: media I do.
Speaker 7: It's Kenny Johnston seven seven seven at Instagram. Okay, person,
Speaker 7: the I G at the I G Twitter. I'm not
Speaker 7: I'm not too too up on it yet, but you know,
Speaker 7: I'm more of a lurker in Twitter.
Speaker 2: That's I am.
Speaker 7: I don't have anything to apologize for you. So it's hopefully.
Speaker 7: And there's also a movie. It's it's getting really good
Speaker 7: reviews on on demand. It's one of the high one
Speaker 7: of the best rented movies. It's called The last Deal. Okay,
Speaker 7: and it's a great story. It's it's about one of
Speaker 7: the last marijuana dealers that had his own a legal
Speaker 7: practice before everything became legal, and he was he the
Speaker 7: the bureaucrat. He couldn't get a legal license because all
Speaker 7: of the companies already had their license and they didn't
Speaker 7: want any more to get any license. So he made
Speaker 7: one last deal and it didn't go very well.
Speaker 5: So it's a great idea. Yeah, great idea.
Speaker 7: Yeah. So that's it.
Speaker 5: That is not that is not a Hallmark movie.
Speaker 7: That is not a.
Speaker 6: Christmas marijuana Christmas Cannabis has got to do one last
Speaker 6: deal before he hangs it out.
Speaker 5: I don't see that yet.
Speaker 7: Nice the Hallmark people don't know about that, that one.
Speaker 7: But yeah, you know, check that out if if you
Speaker 7: have any of the listeners are into watching, you know,
Speaker 7: sitting home on a Friday going what to rent, what
Speaker 7: to rest? Last Deal and it's very entertaining.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: Well, my final question for you is, almost thirty years later,
Speaker 1: how do you reflect on your one week as Harley
Speaker 1: klink Kiner.
Speaker 7: It was a blast. I mean watching it last night,
Speaker 7: you know you always look back at your work. I'm like,
Speaker 7: what am I doing. I'm here really just.
Speaker 2: You know, but it was we thought you were great.
Speaker 7: Yeah you were, Thank you guys, But it was it
Speaker 7: was a lot of fun, you know, and I haven't
Speaker 7: worked that much so you know all the jobs like that.
Speaker 7: You know, at that age you're just like wide eyed
Speaker 7: and just you know, so there, you know. So uh.
Speaker 7: But but the response over the years of just the
Speaker 7: show in general, you know, the success of the show
Speaker 7: and what it meant to you know, that generation into
Speaker 7: so many people. I was just really happy to be
Speaker 7: a part of that. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, we are really happy that you were a part
Speaker 1: of it as well, and we are so happy that
Speaker 1: you took your time out today to spend this time
Speaker 1: with us. You are a huge part of Boy Meets World, Cannon,
Speaker 1: I mean, and and in our memories.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Absolutely, it's so great to hear the inside of that. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Really have no idea that all that was going.
Speaker 1: On, I know, And it's crazy that in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three is how is where you're learning about?
Speaker 2: You know, like it's so funny, it'szy think back.
Speaker 7: I'm like, whatever did happen?
Speaker 5: What was going on with that?
Speaker 7: Wow?
Speaker 5: Well doing really well? He's great. Yeah, doing really well now,
Speaker 5: which is which is awesome. So he's in a great place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, thank you again, Kenny, thank you for
Speaker 2: joining us.
Speaker 7: Well, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good to see you, Kenny.
Speaker 2: Great to see you. See you again.
Speaker 7: Take care.
Speaker 2: Maybe we could get Will and Kenny into a Hallmark
Speaker 2: movie together.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Will plays the one who loves Christmas. He plays the
Speaker 4: one who hates Christmas, and we.
Speaker 6: Switch can type where I'm the one trying to do
Speaker 6: the last marijuana.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, no, I've what if we what if we
Speaker 1: switch out Kenny with Danny halfway through?
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 5: I like the same jacket on guys.
Speaker 4: Something occurred to me while while we were talking to him.
Speaker 4: I think I think part of the reason that they
Speaker 4: didn't rewrite it is that they were hoping Danny would come.
Speaker 2: Back, right.
Speaker 4: I think I think they were that you think, yes,
Speaker 4: I think they were hoping. They hired they hired Kenny,
Speaker 4: they brought him in, and I think part of them
Speaker 4: was hoping that Dan because they didn't know what was
Speaker 4: going on, and they just thought, oh, he just needs
Speaker 4: a day to rest or a couple of days. They
Speaker 4: were hoping to just have rehearsal with Kenny and then
Speaker 4: maybe not have to rewrite the whole script if Danny
Speaker 4: could come back. And you know, I think I think,
Speaker 4: I think it's it's it's it's actually not a horrible
Speaker 4: idea at the time, because they were, you know, they
Speaker 4: didn't know how serious it was.
Speaker 5: They could have just been like.
Speaker 1: Just were probably in touch with him and or the hospital,
Speaker 1: and they probably were still trying to figure out exactly
Speaker 1: what it was, so it could have just been a
Speaker 1: we don't know, right, and if you're getting a we
Speaker 1: don't know, you think you fingers crossed he's coming out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 6: I texted Kendall during the conversation just to see if
Speaker 6: there's any Hey, do you remember this, and he said,
Speaker 6: I honestly don't know. I think it was he said,
Speaker 6: I don't remember any of it, and I think.
Speaker 5: A burly Kendall doesn't remember anything about.
Speaker 6: It, he says, because I asked him, I said, do
Speaker 6: you what was the thinking behind not rewriting and bringing
Speaker 6: in a new actor? He said, I honestly, I can't remember.
Speaker 6: And I think I think all of us were in
Speaker 6: such a blur. It was such a daze that it
Speaker 6: just went by like it just everyone was kind of,
Speaker 6: but it.
Speaker 4: Just doesn't because you know, we've we've we just watched
Speaker 4: two twenty and you know, obviously they wrote to the
Speaker 4: fact that Danny was not there for.
Speaker 5: The next episode.
Speaker 4: Yes, so that's what's so Yeah, that's what's intense. It's like,
Speaker 4: why didn't they address it, you know, three days earlier.
Speaker 6: And I think they were today it's going to be
Speaker 6: he'll be back tomorrow and we he had food poisoning
Speaker 6: or you know, it's like he just maybe he did.
Speaker 4: He also wouldn't be horrible for poor Kenny, who then
Speaker 4: would have been told, no, thanks.
Speaker 2: Thank you, here's to make it to tape night.
Speaker 4: We're going to bring in the old guy anyway. Yeah, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: it's you know, this industry is just brutal.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 6: It's your friend's baby. It's show business. You know, that's
Speaker 6: your great It's really really what happens. You know, they
Speaker 6: just yeah, the show must go on is the nice
Speaker 6: way of saying that. But the problem is there's a
Speaker 6: lot of people left in the wake when that happens sometimes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, thank you all for joining us for
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