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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosthal in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio with
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Speaker 5: I'm not listening to a whole lot of music, and
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Speaker 1: I play a lot of music when I'm when I'm
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Speaker 1: you got some music on if I'm in the car,
Speaker 1: certainly I don't go all podcasts. You got some music,
Speaker 1: so it's all my music, not really workout music. But
Speaker 1: sometimes your son, you know, uses your account. And then
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Speaker 1: year after year. We're here for the Week fourteen preview.
Speaker 1: Very excited about this one. It's our last week Patrick
Speaker 1: with buys, so six byes this week. Your your Ravens
Speaker 1: are finally off. My Patriots are finally left. So it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a lighter schedule.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The fantasy community bemoaning the fact that a lot of
Speaker 5: people are dying to get in the playoffs and they're
Speaker 5: gonna have to do it manage in waiver Meyer's folks,
Speaker 5: starting Will Levis just just gotta try to make it
Speaker 5: into the postseason in fake football. So let's go from
Speaker 5: smallest to the biggest spread. We will start with a
Speaker 5: huge game speaking to make it to the playoffs in
Speaker 5: the NFC West.
Speaker 4: It's the rematch from.
Speaker 5: A couple of weeks ago, the Seattle Seahawks at the
Speaker 5: Arizona Cardinals two and a half point favorites. We saw
Speaker 5: the Seahawks play poorly early greg and then come back
Speaker 5: and win. Just the only airs the Seahawks team to
Speaker 5: make were catastrophic errors against the Jets. They managed to
Speaker 5: win because they played the Jets. The Arizona Cardinals played
Speaker 5: a much better team wilted late against the Vikings.
Speaker 4: How do you see this one going?
Speaker 1: I lean towards the Cardinals because when you play two
Speaker 1: games in three weeks again and they're both good teams,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to sweep a team. If Jonathan Gannon
Speaker 1: loses this matchup to the Mike McDonald like that to
Speaker 1: me is almost like an early show of dominance, Like
Speaker 1: this is a guy I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Be playing twice a year in theory for a while.
Speaker 1: To come out swinging, and you take out the other
Speaker 1: defensive minded head coach twice in three weeks. It's the
Speaker 1: biggest game of the week in terms of the playoffs.
Speaker 1: If the Seahawks win, And this is according to FTN
Speaker 1: in Aaron shots. If the Seahawks win, they have a
Speaker 1: sixty two percent chance to make the playoffs. If they
Speaker 1: lose the game, they have an eleven percent show And
Speaker 1: the spread is similar for the Cardinals. If you win,
Speaker 1: their seventy one percent seventeen if they lose. And what
Speaker 1: the math is saying there is, obviously, if the Seahawks
Speaker 1: sweep the Cardinals, that's a huge advantage and probably there's
Speaker 1: only one team getting out of this division more likely
Speaker 1: than not.
Speaker 2: But if the.
Speaker 1: Cardinals win, they have an easier schedule a little bit
Speaker 1: down the stretch, and I think the numbers underlying kind
Speaker 1: of show maybe they're a slightly better team than the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Will have to see who's playing their best at the
Speaker 1: end of the season, because both their defenses are playing
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: Well right now, yeah, I mean, and you brought this
Speaker 3: up yesterday on the show, Greg, Seattle's playing well at
Speaker 3: the end of ball game, you know, and Arizona's been yeah,
Speaker 3: you can go when it comes that. We saw that
Speaker 3: last week against the Vikings. So the two and a
Speaker 3: half numbers seems about right. I think this is going
Speaker 3: to be a very competitive game. We'll see if your
Speaker 3: guy Gino Ripcord, Gino, okay, balls out a little bit,
Speaker 3: you know, but.
Speaker 1: What happens on quarterback island stays on quarterback island.
Speaker 4: We're good, We're good. You know.
Speaker 1: That's it's a it's a lot of pressure for Gino, right,
Speaker 1: Kyler got booted off.
Speaker 3: I got booted, so he might be he might be
Speaker 3: a little angry. But I like the Arizona Cars.
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: And as far as the narrow margin of when you
Speaker 3: play these games and sweeping it, that is a difficult thing.
Speaker 5: I said it a couple of weeks ago when I
Speaker 5: initially picked the Seahawks to win at home, that we
Speaker 5: would come to this game at this point and I
Speaker 5: would take the home team Arizona Cardinals to win the
Speaker 5: next one. I think these two teams are very very
Speaker 5: similar in terms of their their overall potential to make
Speaker 5: a push here late, and a lot of it is
Speaker 5: based on the defensive improvement we've seen from Seattle and
Speaker 5: over on the other side. Greg inspired me to delve
Speaker 5: more in and to share my knowledge of the search
Speaker 5: of the Arizona Cardinals. It's my affectionate nickname for guys
Speaker 5: that make plays I'm like, who is that?
Speaker 4: So today we.
Speaker 5: Meet Garrett Alexander Williams, a defensive back his second season
Speaker 5: out of Syracuse.
Speaker 2: He's pretty good as a rick y Yeah.
Speaker 5: Leads the team in interceptions. If teams are in three
Speaker 5: wide receiver sets, he's more than likely on the field.
Speaker 5: He is Garrett is my name three at on Twitter
Speaker 5: dot com. The three replaces the E and name. Okay,
Speaker 5: I watched a lot of his snaps. He's a really
Speaker 5: good football player. I'm glad I know his name now.
Speaker 5: I hope more people appreciate him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he could be, you know, matching up at
Speaker 1: some point against JSN, Jackson Smith and Jigba. Who's balling
Speaker 1: getting up there when you look just like total yards
Speaker 1: over the last half season, he's moving up. You hope
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf is healthy. It's a tough matchup. Since week nine,
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are third in the league and EPA per
Speaker 1: play in terms of their defense, seventh in success rate.
Speaker 1: So they have really turned things around. And what they
Speaker 1: did in that first matchup against Arizona was find a
Speaker 1: way to really slow down that Cardinals running game, force
Speaker 1: them into long yarded situations and blitz Kyler Murray and
Speaker 1: the Vikings. I don't know if it was from them
Speaker 1: watching that tape last week or not, or you don't
Speaker 1: have to ask them to blitz, but the offensive line
Speaker 1: and Kyler combined to struggle to identify where the free
Speaker 1: rushers were coming from. So even though they moved the
Speaker 1: ball quite well in that game, when the Vikings blitzed,
Speaker 1: it was a big problem. That's actually been a problem
Speaker 1: for Kyler all season long. His numbers against the blitz
Speaker 1: blitz have not been great. So that's something to watch.
Speaker 3: And you know, these other Vikings very run, very lane
Speaker 3: discipline blitzing. They weren't necessarily trying to get up field
Speaker 3: to protect them. Let's get his eye let's get in
Speaker 3: his passing lanes, get his eyesight. Let's be creative. That's
Speaker 3: something that we could see real quick. Kudos to you
Speaker 3: for saying that McDonald's could go Kyle Shanahan over Sean
Speaker 3: McVay if he goes yea, he sweeps John gannon right here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: getting a little bit of that. Hey, I got your number.
Speaker 1: Well, they brought McDonald's here to be kind of the
Speaker 1: sham the hand tree killer, and yeah, I know he
Speaker 1: lost that game to the Rams, but I thought he
Speaker 1: played that. They played well defensively in that game and
Speaker 1: then they finally got to win over the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: It's I think it's there is something to that with
Speaker 1: guys that are going to be around and playing each
Speaker 1: other for a while.
Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: Just it's harder to sell because there's the the friends
Speaker 5: on the same coaching staff. Of course, the picture of
Speaker 5: the two thousand and six Reds excuse Meshlaw Club football
Speaker 5: franchise almost had to put one in the slurgear there
Speaker 5: where everybody's on the same coaching staff. But yeah, despite that,
Speaker 5: they could still have this rivalry in the division where
Speaker 5: both teams both teams five and three and there and
Speaker 5: there in their last excuse me, three and two in
Speaker 5: their last five game, and.
Speaker 1: It is such a big game for the Cardinals because
Speaker 1: they will they suddenly what would have been such a
Speaker 1: promising season at six and seven and you're looking up
Speaker 1: at the Seas eight and five. Suddenly they are just
Speaker 1: not feeling great about themselves. And one big advantage they
Speaker 1: do give the Sea if it is close. And I
Speaker 1: was talking about the end of game sequences, I think
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald's really been excellent in those situations. If you
Speaker 1: watch the end of the halfs, it helps to have
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback like Gino Smith. Certainly, if you watch
Speaker 1: the end of the halfs, in the end of the games,
Speaker 1: clock management, when to use challenges, when to use timeouts,
Speaker 1: they the numbers should show that they're one of the
Speaker 1: best teams in the league, and just watching it, they're
Speaker 1: very on it. And like we tend to only notice
Speaker 1: the coaches that are bad at it, but they are
Speaker 1: very good at it. And he's a rookie head coach.
Speaker 1: I give him some credit. We're on the flip side.
Speaker 1: Greg Olsen was killing Jonathan Gannon last week for kicking
Speaker 1: that field goal to go up six with about three
Speaker 1: minutes to go instead of going for it on fourth
Speaker 1: and three. They end up losing by one. So maybe
Speaker 1: if it is close at the end, you trust the
Speaker 1: Seahawks a little more.
Speaker 4: Great point.
Speaker 5: Still looking forward to a great matchup. It's going to
Speaker 5: be huge in terms of playoff implications.
Speaker 1: And it's four oh five, by the way, like this
Speaker 1: is that's the best game in the afternoon. It's the
Speaker 1: four oh five. Sorry, sorry for interrupting.
Speaker 4: No me.
Speaker 5: It's it's worth noting time is these next two teams
Speaker 5: are not making a push.
Speaker 4: For the playoff.
Speaker 6: I thought you were gonna sell it, Patrick, Okay, all right,
Speaker 6: Steve in Nashville, Tennessee, Will Levis and the Tennessee Titans
Speaker 6: three and a half point favorites over Mac Jones and
Speaker 6: the Jacksonville Jaguars, the over under thirty nine and a
Speaker 6: half Andrew Cavlong, Jason mccordy, Tiki Barber and A J.
Speaker 2: Ross.
Speaker 5: It's only thirty nine and a half points that the
Speaker 5: experts believe, Steve, but every single one of those points
Speaker 5: will be valuable because this quarterback matchup. It's still right,
Speaker 5: we're not necessarily evaluating Mac Jones, evaluating Will Levis, who
Speaker 5: didn't have a turnover against to watch the Commanders like
Speaker 5: that week, but the offense did really have a lot
Speaker 5: to speak of. By the way, I'm buying your igloo
Speaker 5: in Alaska. Wait to sell it, well done.
Speaker 3: The thirty nine and a half almost looks high to
Speaker 3: me because Jacksonville couldn't score. Whichevor Lawrence is playing and
Speaker 3: then Mac Jones they really can't score. This is one
Speaker 3: I you know, Tennessee force in an ear. I am borceate,
Speaker 3: but I'm just kind of like tennis.
Speaker 1: Why you make the big bucks. It's not the primetime games.
Speaker 1: It's like the ten am game where no one's in
Speaker 1: the crowd. You got to still put up those shots, right, But.
Speaker 3: I mean this is one where you say yourself, Okay,
Speaker 3: what team is building for?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: This is like, all right, these guys are kind of
Speaker 3: playing at the string right here. But Will Levis, you
Speaker 3: talked about no giveaways last week. This is a defense
Speaker 3: where he should feast because Jacksonville has not figured out
Speaker 3: at any level except for those guys on the edges.
Speaker 4: Those are very good players.
Speaker 3: So I would think that Tennessee and they're probably gonna
Speaker 3: get a defensive defensive takeaway on the side too. I
Speaker 3: like Tennessee. I like the three and a half. I
Speaker 3: think they win by a much bigger march.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for more of these games, and on
Speaker 1: the previous show, I think we're at the point of
Speaker 1: the season we could be a little quicker on these types.
Speaker 2: Again, there actually haven't been as many.
Speaker 1: I expected a ton of them because there's so many
Speaker 1: teams with bad records. There haven't been many the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks where truly both teams this season is done.
Speaker 1: One thing that Titans can look to is their rookie
Speaker 1: draft class where they they've had some players show up
Speaker 1: and that's important for a young general manager and Ran Carthon,
Speaker 1: a first time head coach. You know, Sweat has played
Speaker 1: well defensive tackle JC Lathan like, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: in All Pro right now. But if you can just
Speaker 1: play as a rookie tackle and start at every game
Speaker 1: and be solid enough, that's a big win because you're
Speaker 1: only going to get better at that position. They have
Speaker 1: a young cornerback Brownly, who's played pretty well for them,
Speaker 1: So some of the younger guys the thing they need
Speaker 1: to work on. And I've been meaning to mention this
Speaker 1: for a few weeks. Now now's the time. Oh not
Speaker 1: much to talk about this. The Titans special teams are
Speaker 1: one of the worst units in the history of football.
Speaker 1: According to the old guys at Football Outsiders, they're like
Speaker 1: one of the worst special teams they've ever recorded. The
Speaker 1: gap in terms of their measurement between them and the
Speaker 1: thirty first team in the league in special teams is
Speaker 1: as big as the gap between thirty one and twelve,
Speaker 1: like they are so worlds beyond the worst kickoff return unit,
Speaker 1: the worst punt return unit. They can't cover anything. Everything
Speaker 1: they do is terrible. And ever since someone put this
Speaker 1: in my ear about a month ago, I do keep
Speaker 1: an eye on it with Titans, and you'll watch it
Speaker 1: and you'll be like, oh, yeah, there's another sixty yard
Speaker 1: return they give. Oh yeah, there's another forty yards like
Speaker 1: they are so bad. If you wonder why the Titans
Speaker 1: are this bad, it's not just Will Levis.
Speaker 2: It's not just you know, the offense. That is one
Speaker 2: of the reasons.
Speaker 3: And real quick in kicking game situations when they're blowing
Speaker 3: stuff like that, especially on coverage teams, that's back end
Speaker 3: roster turning.
Speaker 4: Yea, that's just not having it.
Speaker 2: In coaching. You gotta you've gotta play coach.
Speaker 3: Coaching is part of that. But again, the really good
Speaker 3: teams they don't have that. The the dud players on
Speaker 3: their forty through fifty three, they've got guys who can
Speaker 3: actually if they got even step in and play offensive
Speaker 3: for defensive snaps, can play.
Speaker 4: We'll see how they adjust.
Speaker 5: They adjusted earlier in the season as Nick Westbrook Cacine
Speaker 5: started out with no targets in his first four weeks,
Speaker 5: and since then he's got out to score six touchdown
Speaker 5: and do nothing but put points on the board. Taking
Speaker 5: US two Sunday Night Football, it is the Los Angeles
Speaker 5: Chargers going on the road to the Chiefs, who are
Speaker 5: four point favoritesly over under forty two and a half.
Speaker 5: Mike Trico, Chris Collinsworth, Melissa Stark on the call, Greg,
Speaker 5: we have seen this Chargers team play pretty well up front.
Speaker 5: They go up to the Atlanta Falcons, who now have
Speaker 5: thirty three percent of their sacks against this Chargers front
Speaker 5: in Justin Herbert, how do they deal with the Chiefs
Speaker 5: pass rush, which has also had a bad stretch here recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because they're both winning games obviously, the
Speaker 1: Chargers and the Chiefs, and yet they both have real
Speaker 1: big concerns. I think what's happened in the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks with the Chargers offense has to make you
Speaker 1: worried if you're Jim Harbaugh that it's now down to
Speaker 1: like Maconkey or bust yep. And he's a smaller guy
Speaker 1: who's playing like a number one. He literally leads all
Speaker 1: he's their guide receivers in yards now black Bowers has more,
Speaker 1: but he's a tight end. But he's got more than
Speaker 1: neighbored more than he He's fantastic, but he seems to
Speaker 1: be getting banged up. I'm not sure what it is,
Speaker 1: whether it's his knee or his shoulder, like every game
Speaker 1: where he's kind of hobbling out. So they're asking him
Speaker 1: to do a lot and if he's not open, they
Speaker 1: don't have anything. And then the last couple of weeks
Speaker 1: they have not protected Herbert well at all. A lot
Speaker 1: of it's on the interior with Bozeman and Zion Johnson,
Speaker 1: a first round pick from a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: that really isn't working out. And so you think about
Speaker 1: the blitz is that Kansas City likes to send, and
Speaker 1: you think about Chris Jones, you know, picking out a
Speaker 1: guy he can be on the inside, and man, that
Speaker 1: was a sobering game for I know the Chargers won it,
Speaker 1: but to not break two hundred yards against the Atlanta Falcons,
Speaker 1: that is red fire alarms worry for the Chargers off.
Speaker 4: I totally agree.
Speaker 3: And look, you know the four points for Kansas City
Speaker 3: might seem too much, is because they don't beat anybody
Speaker 3: by four points, it's usually.
Speaker 4: Not to the end.
Speaker 3: But here's where I think other than left tackle, I mean,
Speaker 3: that is a really tough situation for Kansas City right
Speaker 3: now past pro That's why I think Andy Reid last
Speaker 3: year when he was having all those issues at the
Speaker 3: tackle spot with penalties and things like that, what does
Speaker 3: you do?
Speaker 4: He runs the ball, they get Pa check go back.
Speaker 3: I think this is a situation now we're offensively for
Speaker 3: Kansas City. We're gonna start to see them road grade.
Speaker 3: They're gonna say we're gonna protect our left tackle, We're
Speaker 3: gonna try to run the football. Yeah, they're tough on
Speaker 3: the edges with the Chargers. They've got some guys up front.
Speaker 3: This is where I think they really start playing cold
Speaker 3: weather football and doing this.
Speaker 4: I like Kansas City in this game. I just I
Speaker 4: think as well as their point.
Speaker 1: You feel like we're hearing that every week though, that's like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the week.
Speaker 3: And I think now they're getting Pa checko back changes
Speaker 3: some things with their offense.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 5: Winning the forfeiture game against the Falcons in Atlanta, it's
Speaker 5: not moving me at this point enough to feel like
Speaker 5: well because I.
Speaker 4: Agree Kirk co changes the fourfiture. Yeah, well it was
Speaker 4: last week.
Speaker 5: Kirk cousinks, go go out there and we'll talk about
Speaker 5: that Viking game a little bit and be great.
Speaker 4: Last week it was not. It was decide.
Speaker 5: The Chargers kind of got a little bit of a
Speaker 5: gift there, and this recent run on the Chiefs defense
Speaker 5: has shown a lot of vulnerability that I don't think
Speaker 5: you necessarily just have spags go on the chalkboard and
Speaker 5: fix those.
Speaker 4: Those are going to last for the rest of the season.
Speaker 5: I just especially as you mentioned Greg, if not Lad McConkey,
Speaker 5: then what like, where's the offense production come from?
Speaker 4: Because no JK.
Speaker 5: Dobbins, well, Gus Edwards hasn't really shown in his replacement.
Speaker 5: Kamani Vidal hasn't gotten the opportunities that I think maybe
Speaker 5: he should. I can't feel confident about really about either
Speaker 5: of these teams, but definitely not the Chargers on the
Speaker 5: road in game.
Speaker 1: I think the Chargers defense has shown more than the
Speaker 1: sum of their parts. They're really well coached, and I think,
Speaker 1: just being such a justin Herbert fan as I am
Speaker 1: over the years, it's not a great formula, but the
Speaker 1: formula has to be our guy justin Herbert is so good,
Speaker 1: he's actually got to even be better than your guy
Speaker 1: Patrick Momes like, and that's an almost impossible formula.
Speaker 2: You just have to play at an other worldly level.
Speaker 1: Now, the advantage Herbert has, like I mentioned, is that
Speaker 1: Chargers defense is really sound. And you know, you gave
Speaker 1: up some yards to the Falcons, but they forced turnovers.
Speaker 1: This this rookie cornerback tar he's still got Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Week. He's great. You got Marcus May coming off.
Speaker 1: What's it's he on the Saints or the Dolphins. I'm
Speaker 1: not even sure. A couple of weeks ago, I think, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on the Dolphins. And now he jumps in there.
Speaker 1: You got Tony Jefferson, who was out of football for
Speaker 1: a minute coaching for suddenly Derwin James is now kind
Speaker 1: of roaming around near the line of scrimmage where he's
Speaker 1: so good again, almost playing like a linebacker type role.
Speaker 1: And if you can get anything like Joey Bosas, let's
Speaker 1: show up here. Maybe he's playing through something, but he
Speaker 1: hasn't done anything. Maybe their defense can just keep them
Speaker 1: in this in an ugly game. And and then Herbert
Speaker 1: does something magical at the end. Then that this number,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what it is, but it's too
Speaker 1: high for you. I just like the defenses. I do
Speaker 1: like I know the Chiefs defense, as he pointed out
Speaker 1: Patrick has not been playing well, but I kind of
Speaker 1: like the defense.
Speaker 4: And familiar and a familiar opponent. You know.
Speaker 2: It was a game, by the way, the first time
Speaker 2: it was a year it.
Speaker 4: Was, it was every time they played each other.
Speaker 2: It's cool. It was really early.
Speaker 1: That was a game the Chargers actually didn't have either
Speaker 1: of their tackles, so they were in a tough spot
Speaker 1: and they held the Chiefs offense down like a lot
Speaker 1: of defenses have done this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the tackle is a factor on play action.
Speaker 5: In that first matchup this season, Justin Herbert was eight
Speaker 5: of ten, including a touchdown. No play action in that game,
Speaker 5: he was eight of seventy eight of seventeen for seventy
Speaker 5: nine yards. You got to run the ball to have
Speaker 5: play action. They just aren't doing it. So look still
Speaker 5: looking forward to that one. A big one on Tony
Speaker 5: Night football in the division. Let's go to the NFC side,
Speaker 5: the Chicago Bears at.
Speaker 4: The San Francisco forty nine Ers, who were four point favorites.
Speaker 5: Gotta feel like that would have been a larger margin
Speaker 5: a few weeks ago over under his forty four Kenny Albert,
Speaker 5: Jonathan Vilma, Megan o'livy on the call. As we get
Speaker 5: to this game, Steve, where the Bears have a chance
Speaker 5: to get the coach firing bump? Is that to beat
Speaker 5: Cal Shanahan's injured squad.
Speaker 1: And doesn't count when you already fired an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I'm actually stunned that the Niners are four
Speaker 4: point favorite here at home. I mean, are the Bears
Speaker 4: just that bad?
Speaker 3: Because the Niners, I know they're not good, but the
Speaker 3: nine of the whole Trent Williams situation, injury, that the
Speaker 3: terrible tragedy at home. No Christian McCaffrey, no Jordan Mason.
Speaker 3: I mean, they are rolling guys out here, even on defense,
Speaker 3: where I think this is the chance for Caleb and
Speaker 3: some of those guys on the offense can eat the Niners.
Speaker 3: Defense just got absolutely truck steamrolled and ran over.
Speaker 4: And I don't see why.
Speaker 3: The Bears and Thomas Brown, who's very familiar with the Niners,
Speaker 3: remember he coached with the Rams for a long time.
Speaker 3: This to me has got upset alert all over it.
Speaker 3: I think the Bears offense is gonna come out of this.
Speaker 3: I just I just almost feel bad for the Niners,
Speaker 3: right wow. I just don't think they've got the personnel,
Speaker 3: and I think their spirit is actually a little crushed.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and it might be because I'm
Speaker 1: influenced by you, Steve. I look at you, you know,
Speaker 1: as a as a mentor. Here someone to model a
Speaker 1: career after. Steve Weiss, And you said something that stuck
Speaker 1: with me on the Quarterback Island episode of Just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're the forty nine ers are
Speaker 1: gonna compete the rest of the year, like if they're
Speaker 1: gonna be close in games? So, I mean, what is
Speaker 1: informing you? Just being totally I agree, it's it's heading
Speaker 1: down a hill fast. And I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: the Bears won this game because the vibes. But you
Speaker 1: seem very strong that it's well.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's a proud club.
Speaker 3: They're gonna compete, Kyle's gonna coach those guys can go
Speaker 3: out there and compete.
Speaker 4: They just have nothing.
Speaker 3: And when you just have this much negativity constantly, all right,
Speaker 3: and let's as horrible do this. Let's not forget what
Speaker 3: happened to like Serveri's Ward and Trent Williams, their personal situations.
Speaker 3: Those things will ran also will devastate the character of
Speaker 3: a team. I mean, it's just like, can it get
Speaker 3: any worse? And yeah, it keeps getting worse. For these guys.
Speaker 4: It's tough.
Speaker 3: They've played and performed and functioned at such a high
Speaker 3: level that all these blows might be like, you know what,
Speaker 3: we just have to exhale right now, and.
Speaker 5: The circumstances going the wrong way. Kyle Yucheck had that
Speaker 5: fumble in the snow. I remember the way the game started.
Speaker 5: I was looking at the forty nine ers energy because
Speaker 5: it happenings as we were taping our Sunday pod. And
Speaker 5: then they the offense comes out and there's no seventy one,
Speaker 5: and I remember just how much Trent means to this
Speaker 5: football team. The on all stats for Brock Purty with
Speaker 5: him without Trent Williams, there's a stark difference there. And
Speaker 5: then the defense hasn't been as good as it's been
Speaker 5: all season long, so they need the points. They're only
Speaker 5: scoring twenty two points a game right now for the season, Greg,
Speaker 5: And so it's like we look at there, we see
Speaker 5: brock Purty, we see the Niners uniforms, but this is
Speaker 5: not the Niners team that we know.
Speaker 1: Losing Trent is even bigger, I think this year than
Speaker 1: other years, because I think the rest of the offensive
Speaker 1: line hasn't been great. So then if you're adding suddenly
Speaker 1: a big trouble spot at the most important position where
Speaker 1: it was your one big strength. They have a young
Speaker 1: guard Poony, their rookie who they like, but the other
Speaker 1: spots it's been a little leaky that then suddenly you're right,
Speaker 1: maybe the whole deck of cards just collapse. They actually
Speaker 1: have an eight percent chance to make the playoffs according
Speaker 1: to Next Gen Stats, which was a higher percentage than
Speaker 1: I expected, because that's going off the numbers, based off
Speaker 1: the whole season. It's going off the division, and it's
Speaker 1: going off the reality is if they win this game,
Speaker 1: and let's say the Cardinals, who are favored, win that game,
Speaker 1: they're one game back in the NFC West, as doom
Speaker 1: and gloom as it is, and I agree it's doom
Speaker 1: and gloom. I'm not pushing backward. I think I'm going
Speaker 1: to pick the Bears. They actually are alive, Like the
Speaker 1: reality is there. They do have a chance, But there
Speaker 1: is something about this team. When I saw that face
Speaker 1: of rage that Kyle Shanahan had a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, if you watch the
Speaker 1: Fox broadcast, you were probably out of game Steve, but
Speaker 1: he was so mad when they had twelve men on
Speaker 1: the field that I've never seen another human more angry
Speaker 1: than Kyle Shannon was in that movie.
Speaker 2: And I just felt like, oh man, it's like too much.
Speaker 1: There's too much bad vibes there, and now that it's
Speaker 1: amazing the Bears are the team with the better vibes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe vibes on the way up.
Speaker 5: Since we eleven, DJ Moore has the second most receiving
Speaker 5: yards over expected. They've been throwing the ball close to
Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage around getting the ball out of
Speaker 5: Caleb's hands quick, keeping them from taking some of those secks,
Speaker 5: which I think is going to be important in this game.
Speaker 5: Nick Bosa's you know, it's a down year for both boss,
Speaker 5: but he's generated most of the pressures this season. So
Speaker 5: get the ball out of Caleb's hands and just enjoy
Speaker 5: the vibes of of you know, maybe a negative vibes.
Speaker 1: Coach no longer be speaking of turning points. They haven't
Speaker 1: done too well since you wore that hat. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you know, Bosa, Yeah, maybe that's what turned the season around.
Speaker 1: I do think the fire coach principle is a real thing.
Speaker 1: I do think yeah, because it gets fired for a reason.
Speaker 2: Can I get him bumped? And they gotta feel.
Speaker 4: Good read about all that locker.
Speaker 2: Room stuff like and if they do lose before we
Speaker 2: take it right.
Speaker 1: I just want to say this because I haven't seen
Speaker 1: this pop up on Twitter and among forty nine ers fans,
Speaker 1: You guys are insane. The ones that want Shanahan. God like,
Speaker 1: it's a real thing out there that they're like, is
Speaker 1: it time for Kyle Shannon?
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: That's dumb. Those those folks are Seahawks fans in a mask.
Speaker 2: Are we are you guys? It's serious?
Speaker 3: So Greg, it's the same folks you want Mike Tomlin
Speaker 3: get fired. It's we're in this. We're in this stare
Speaker 3: and I need a different crew. But I hate with
Speaker 3: the media. Are you are you gonna play? Are you
Speaker 3: gonna are you gonna bench Aaron Rodgers this week and
Speaker 3: play who like we want to We're constantly like we
Speaker 3: want to replace guys, we want to fire guys, Like
Speaker 3: what's the other?
Speaker 4: Okay, go ahead, look look Kyle Shannon hit the streets.
Speaker 1: Trade it you get You could trade them whipping your ass,
Speaker 1: you could, you could trade them.
Speaker 2: Someone would absolutely Chicago, Chicago would like that. Love.
Speaker 4: Sorry, that's one club that I ain't doing that expense.
Speaker 2: That is it for us, the start the show. We're
Speaker 2: just getting going.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to Week fourteen, and yes, a Bills Rams
Speaker 1: rematch of what was the opener just a few years ago.
Speaker 2: A lot has changed them back on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1: You spent that break just wondering what opener am I
Speaker 1: talking about? I remember it well because I was there
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. The Bills came in and they put
Speaker 1: it on the Rams in such a way that you wondered, what.
Speaker 2: Is this Rams season going to be like? And it
Speaker 2: was that it wasn't good. It wasn't good. So a
Speaker 2: little chance for revenge for Sean McVay.
Speaker 5: It is, and that revenge is why it's the Game
Speaker 5: of the Week presented by DraftKings Sportsbook. The Buffalo Bills
Speaker 5: four and a half point favorites. Across the street at
Speaker 5: Sofi Stadium. The over number under is forty nine and
Speaker 5: a half. You get to hear Kevin Burkhard, Tom Brady
Speaker 5: and Andrews and Tom Rinaldi on the call, Greg the
Speaker 5: Bills a buzz saw right now.
Speaker 4: You said the Rams the best bad team in the league.
Speaker 4: Can the best bad team beat a very good Buffalo.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to feel bad about keep saying that. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stop saying, Okay, it's my daughter's team. When I
Speaker 1: watch them, they're entertaining to watch. Still a lot of
Speaker 1: good players on that team. They're six and sixteen, that's
Speaker 1: what they are, and six and six teams probably can't
Speaker 1: be a Bills team right now the way they are playing,
Speaker 1: unless there's a little bit of a letdown factor. They
Speaker 1: just won the division last week in the snowy conditions.
Speaker 1: That was that was a high. You're trying, you're flying
Speaker 1: across the country. It's a NFC game against a team
Speaker 1: that really needs it. It's it's not crazy. It's not
Speaker 1: a crazy scenario. Speak to it.
Speaker 5: What Okay, I'll jump in the spoiler I'm taking the
Speaker 5: Rams well this one, Greg, and I'll lay out the
Speaker 5: narrative that I have constructed to fulfill this outcome, because
Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's important where this Bill's defense,
Speaker 5: I feel can be vulnerable to true ones, and they
Speaker 5: haven't really had a chance to play a true one,
Speaker 5: albeit Tyreek Hill having a down season in Miami a
Speaker 5: few weeks ago, the Dolphins score points and there Untila
Speaker 5: spread the ball around pretty well. You go back, you
Speaker 5: have to go all the back way back to that
Speaker 5: Nico Collins game where Nico actually hurt his hamstring running
Speaker 5: into the end zone away from this Bill's secondary and
Speaker 5: now with Pooka fully healthy Greg and the opportunity with
Speaker 5: with DeMarcus Robinson playing while he got back in the
Speaker 5: end zone of course, Cooper Cup there, Kyroen and Blake
Speaker 5: Korum going off. I like this Rams puncher's chance, and
Speaker 5: I feel like with with with that, that punch that
Speaker 5: they can throw being better than punches the Bills have
Speaker 5: received here in the past few weeks.
Speaker 2: Very good.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna back into this a little bit
Speaker 3: because the Bills do team step for a lockdown seventh
Speaker 3: straight win six of them scoring thirty plus points. I
Speaker 3: just don't think it happens here. And here's why the
Speaker 3: Rams starts slow offensively. If all of a sudden they're
Speaker 3: down to nothing or fourteen enough, and the Kyroen Williams factor,
Speaker 3: the run game factor changes, and the way that those
Speaker 3: guys are getting after the quarterback with Russo and Epanessa
Speaker 3: and some of these guys getting after the quarterback. Your
Speaker 3: favorite player, Matt Milano is back. He's back in the lineup.
Speaker 3: I just don't know if the Rams can do it now.
Speaker 3: If it's toe to toe for a while, okay, then
Speaker 3: the Rams have that puncher's chance. But if they fall
Speaker 3: behind quickly and they get one dimensional quickly, which we
Speaker 3: know that Sean McVay does not mind doing throwing the
Speaker 3: ball over the place, then I think they're in trouble.
Speaker 1: That all makes sense to me. I think the team
Speaker 1: that can run the ball better could win this game.
Speaker 1: The Bills have really turned into a great running team
Speaker 1: with the ace up their sleeve of Josh Allen being
Speaker 1: able to run in the red zone, which the Rams
Speaker 1: obviously don't have. The Rams really leaned on the run
Speaker 1: last week against the Saints. They were domin running the ball.
Speaker 1: Their success rate was over sixty plus percent, and Jordan
Speaker 1: Rodrigue talked about how you know, a halftime in that game,
Speaker 1: the players were like, let's run the damn ball, and
Speaker 1: they got it done. So if there is a weakness
Speaker 1: of the their Bills defense, maybe that's it that they
Speaker 1: could you know, establish it. And it's like a seven
Speaker 1: possession game. We're at that point for the Rams where
Speaker 1: they're clearly the inferior team. Less possessions is a good
Speaker 1: thing when you're going up against a great team like
Speaker 1: the Bills. And it shook me a little that Jordan
Speaker 1: was so quick to kick Stafford off underback on. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm a little a little shook. But watching Stafford the
Speaker 1: last few weeks, I think he's played okay. I think
Speaker 1: he's actually playing a little better. And he is like
Speaker 1: these these old tennis grats I've been watching retire lately.
Speaker 2: That's who he reminds me of a little.
Speaker 1: Is like they can't quite get through, you know, an
Speaker 1: entire tournament sometimes or an entire season, but they'll pop
Speaker 1: up and they'll play like their very best for one game,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, for one match. And I
Speaker 1: do think Stafford to what you're saying, Patrick is very
Speaker 1: capable of that for one night that he is just
Speaker 1: the best Stafford.
Speaker 2: You've convinced me into it.
Speaker 4: I'm not backing you're calling him Washington Wizard MJ.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm not saying.
Speaker 1: Saying he's Olympic Snovak Djokovic who's wearing the gold medal
Speaker 1: and beats the young best player.
Speaker 2: In the world in that moment, for one day, you
Speaker 2: can be better. That's it.
Speaker 4: Made an All Star team one year with a Wich.
Speaker 2: Okay, he wasn't like, yeah, he was better than people.
Speaker 2: Remember though, I give you, I give you credit.
Speaker 5: For motivation, motivation for Matthew Stafford based on Greg's comments
Speaker 5: about him being absolutely.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like when Serena was still making those Grand
Speaker 1: Slam finals and she beat the number one player in
Speaker 1: the world or whatever. But you know, maybe you can't
Speaker 1: keep it going weak at the week which is the season.
Speaker 1: You know you can do it for one game that
Speaker 1: that's the thing that happened. I do want to mention
Speaker 1: in this game. Micah Hyde is a member of the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills organization. Again, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: I mean it's a really he's on the practice squad.
Speaker 3: We don't know if he'll play in the game. I
Speaker 3: think this is in part like Micah has had to
Speaker 3: fight through some physical things, which is why he has
Speaker 3: not been on a field yet this season, which is
Speaker 3: why he really didn't draw the free agent interest that
Speaker 3: we thought. But it goes to show you how much
Speaker 3: he means to this franchise that they did connect even
Speaker 3: if he's a practice squad guy and like almost into
Speaker 3: Tony Jefferson type of role with the Chargers where he's
Speaker 3: kind of a coach on the field to help these guys.
Speaker 2: You figure he'll kind of warm up.
Speaker 1: It's tough to ask him to come off the streets
Speaker 1: and just play right away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I mean, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You look at the point of the season, he'll be
Speaker 3: there in case if needed. He's a great Remember he
Speaker 3: was a great punt returner at one point as well too.
Speaker 4: He can really run.
Speaker 3: I mean, they got Brandon Codrington, who's a heck of
Speaker 3: a return guy. But I just think it's fantastic. It's
Speaker 3: a class move on both sides to connect like this.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's got all the medical you know, clearing
Speaker 3: that he needed to have and he's good to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got to get a Marii Cooper a little
Speaker 1: more involved. His staff count did go up a lot
Speaker 1: last week actually in terms of like when they had
Speaker 1: their start, Like, so they need to start. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a good matchup for them to use him as
Speaker 1: a as a true number one on their side. And
Speaker 1: then I did notice this quote that one of the
Speaker 1: Bills offensive linemen had after last week's game where he
Speaker 1: said we beat the breaks off the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: and that that's the type of team, that's the type
Speaker 1: of confidence. It was Alec Anderson, who they bring in
Speaker 1: as kind of an extra lineman. They just kept running
Speaker 1: the same play over and over and they are becoming
Speaker 1: one of those offensive lines. To me, they have that
Speaker 1: sort of confidence as a group where that's their identity
Speaker 1: and that that could that could mean a long day.
Speaker 2: For these these Rams linebackers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great matchup.
Speaker 1: It's uh so are you taking them to win straight
Speaker 1: up on game debut? I'm putting it, but okay, yea
Speaker 1: real quick say. He puts his name behind that, we
Speaker 1: have records and everything.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think it's genuine as they come, not
Speaker 4: not afraid to lose, as evident about my record or
Speaker 4: game real quick.
Speaker 3: Since you mentioned the Rams linebackers, Yeah, one day, they're
Speaker 3: really going to have to invest in that part of
Speaker 3: their defense. It's something that they have shown under Sean
Speaker 3: McVay that when they're bringing Bobby Wagner, otherwise churn him
Speaker 3: and get him out. Look what Arne Shones is doing
Speaker 3: up and chan, how he's changed that defense. That's someone
Speaker 3: who they kicked to the curb in preseason strong point. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they can find them for the Seattle Seahawks.
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Speaker 7: To our next game, the New Orleans Saints four and
Speaker 7: a half point favorites at the New York Giants in
Speaker 7: MetLife over under his forty one Kevin Coogler, Daryl Johnson,
Speaker 7: Laura Oakman on the call, Steve, we have seen the
Speaker 7: rizzy edition of the Saints.
Speaker 4: Yea inspired that inspiration can't lead to a loss to this,
Speaker 4: this hapless Giants franchise can Yeah, no, the Giants are
Speaker 4: gonna win this game.
Speaker 3: Oh what, here's the overarching theme, just because it's the
Speaker 3: Giants and the way things are going.
Speaker 4: This is where they set the tone to lose out
Speaker 4: of the number one pick.
Speaker 3: Right now, they're sitting in that slot right them and
Speaker 3: the Raiders both have two wins. The Giants sitting in
Speaker 3: that slot. And this is where the Dome Saints go
Speaker 3: up there. The weather's not supposed to be too bad,
Speaker 3: but without Taysom Hill, right, without some of the things
Speaker 3: to make this offense function like it normally does. This
Speaker 3: is where the Giants defense buoize Drew Locke and he
Speaker 3: comes in if they pull the upset, I'm giving you drama.
Speaker 3: I wish your song was playing the viola right here.
Speaker 3: I'm giving you the drama. This is one that the
Speaker 3: New York Giants win and end up not getting the
Speaker 3: first overall pick in the draft.
Speaker 4: That ti let.
Speaker 3: They're gonna click off like three wins to end the
Speaker 3: season and pick like seventh.
Speaker 2: That would be a lot like last year.
Speaker 1: They had a three game winning streak around this time
Speaker 1: of the season.
Speaker 2: DeVito was involved.
Speaker 1: I believe with that one of them was over the
Speaker 1: Patriots and they ended up not getting Drake Maybase because
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: Or Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4: Well, they could have had him.
Speaker 3: They could have had him, could have had Saquan, could
Speaker 3: have but they just you know, we saw it was
Speaker 3: on full display and hard knocks.
Speaker 1: What that they Yeah, they could, I don't know. They
Speaker 1: would have to give up a lot to trade up.
Speaker 4: Tends to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. They didn't want they didn't want it
Speaker 1: bad enough. Well, I guess we're not choosing them as
Speaker 1: a survivor pick. Patrick had thrown that out there, the
Speaker 1: possibility they're losing that. I wouldn't like them as a
Speaker 1: survivor pick anyways, just because the Saints I expect them
Speaker 1: to win. No dexter lawrence for the Giants. I mean,
Speaker 1: they just keep losing their very best players. There's a
Speaker 1: little buzz, or at least speculation that it depending on
Speaker 1: how Derek Carr closes out this season that could impact
Speaker 1: what his status is for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: If they win some games.
Speaker 1: The Saints are not above being like, Okay, let's let's
Speaker 1: all run it back. So you gotta win games like this.
Speaker 1: If you're Derek Carr, I do want to just mention
Speaker 1: and then we can move on. Alvin Kamara shout out
Speaker 1: to him big time. IP at thousand rushing yards for
Speaker 1: the first time in his career, which is crazy that
Speaker 1: that's never happened before. But he's fifth right now in
Speaker 1: the in the NFL and yards from scrimmage. So you
Speaker 1: look who's ahead of him. You look who's ahead of him,
Speaker 1: It's Saquon Henry, Jamir Gibbs. It might be Josh Jacobs's
Speaker 1: fourth and he's getting it done week after week. That
Speaker 1: that dude is a star. I'll always believe if he
Speaker 1: doesn't wind up making the Hall of Fame, that they're
Speaker 1: coaching malfeasance over the last three or four years is
Speaker 1: what cost him because he was a good player that
Speaker 1: whole time. So he's having a great year. I hope
Speaker 1: they keep keep leaning.
Speaker 4: On Taysom Hill getting too many touches.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, take it take it away from Kamara, man,
Speaker 5: I mean those yards he would have decidedly, it's not
Speaker 5: conjectur on my part, he would have the record for
Speaker 5: most touchdowns scored in a single game if.
Speaker 4: Not for a rend Jason Hill carry one yard line. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 5: Greg, shout out to one of the best of this
Speaker 5: generation in number forty one. The over under for this
Speaker 5: game also forty one, So Synergy a big game coming
Speaker 5: up for AK.
Speaker 4: Let's get speaking.
Speaker 5: Of the NFC South, the Atlanta Falcons, who somehow lost
Speaker 5: to the Chargers last week on the road. It is
Speaker 5: a Kirk Cousins revenge game against the Minnesota Vikings, who
Speaker 5: are favored by five enough half coming off of their
Speaker 5: fourth and six come back against the Arizona Cardinals. Greg,
Speaker 5: how do you see it going over under forty five
Speaker 5: and a half? G Reg on the call with Joe
Speaker 5: Davis and Pam.
Speaker 2: Oliver, I don't think it's gonna go.
Speaker 1: Well, that number is highly disrespectful to the Falcons and evidence.
Speaker 1: Okay that no, no, no, I take the Viking. I
Speaker 1: just mean people have been watching the Falcons. Imagine what
Speaker 1: that line would have been four weeks ago. It would
Speaker 1: have been totally different. But this team is in a
Speaker 1: free fall. I somehow, while writing out notes for this game,
Speaker 1: forgot that it's the Kirk Cousins revenge game.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm just all about ball and that.
Speaker 4: Actually That's a great example that.
Speaker 2: Forget the narratives.
Speaker 1: It's actually sad to think about because I had the thought,
Speaker 1: could this be Kirk Cousins's last NFL start? WHOA, And
Speaker 1: it would be crazy if it's in Minnesota, If Brian Flores,
Speaker 1: who to me is not a defensive coordinator, I would
Speaker 1: want to see if I'm Kirk Cousins right now ends
Speaker 1: up just putting it to him because he's got ten
Speaker 1: turnovers no touchdowns the last three games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you.
Speaker 3: Know you're talking about overall turnovers and fumbles. You know,
Speaker 3: people are interceptions, he's putting the ball on the ground. Look, Patrick,
Speaker 3: you've talked about it all season.
Speaker 4: We've seen it. He can't move right.
Speaker 3: The fact that he just cannot move Their offense has
Speaker 3: been all over I don't think he's gonna go out
Speaker 3: there and play as poorly as he did against the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Doesn't he seem like the type of guy that maybe
Speaker 1: this situation it would be a lot for anyone.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's got to be challenging for him emotionally.
Speaker 3: In all that, it's going to be emostly challenging. It's tough,
Speaker 3: and the thing is now he's losing them games. Right,
Speaker 3: there's always a thing like you can overcome this. He's
Speaker 3: costing them ballgames. And this is whereas Adam and is
Speaker 3: Raheem Morris has been that Michael Penick is gonna be
Speaker 3: their quarterback for the future.
Speaker 4: Does that future start next week?
Speaker 3: If they lose this ballgame and Cousins comes out and
Speaker 3: loses another game the way he has the past couple game.
Speaker 3: Because their offense hasn't function They're like, we're gonna put
Speaker 3: eight guys in the box. We're gonna make Kirk Cousins
Speaker 3: beat us. I mean, it's not creative what teams are
Speaker 3: doing against Atlanta right now. In Atlanta has got a
Speaker 3: lot of offensive talent, and so for them not to
Speaker 3: be putting points on the board and Kirk co Chains,
Speaker 3: who I think is gonna play better this game. But
Speaker 3: they've just got to get some points on the board
Speaker 3: early to start feeling good.
Speaker 5: Otherwise this could get sideways. Yeah, it would be very
Speaker 5: difficult for him to play worse than he did. I
Speaker 5: guess the charge and I say that to demean Kirk
Speaker 5: Cousins because everybody has a stinker, right. I think it's
Speaker 5: a credit to Kirk Cousins to come back from that
Speaker 5: injury and play the way that he did in spots
Speaker 5: right this season. But this is a situation where no
Speaker 5: matter how mentally strong he is, and it's gonna be
Speaker 5: an emotional game because I they had a lot of
Speaker 5: they had great moments between the franchise and Kirk Cousins
Speaker 5: of Minnesota. It's not that it's gonna be physically. Can
Speaker 5: he hang in there do the things that he needs
Speaker 5: to do. I guess the veteran defense they can do
Speaker 5: so many different things, so many different looks. It's not
Speaker 5: like you're going to confuse him, but you just get
Speaker 5: in literal situations on the football field where you need your.
Speaker 4: Body to do something and it's not doing well.
Speaker 1: I think they can confuse him. Why not? I think
Speaker 1: the Chargers did. I think the Chargers with some of
Speaker 1: the coverages that they were playing, or having him hold
Speaker 1: the ball a little extra. He's seen it all, certainly,
Speaker 1: but everyone gets confused sometimes. Tom Brady gets confused for
Speaker 1: games at a time during his prime. I watched it,
Speaker 1: and this Minnesota team is so diverse. Yeah, what they
Speaker 1: can do. Last week they played they played half their
Speaker 1: snaps without a down lineman. Now they had like down
Speaker 1: linemen like guys who play defensive tackle were on the field,
Speaker 1: but literally like no one's hand was on the ground
Speaker 1: half the snaps.
Speaker 2: That's just that's just craziness.
Speaker 3: Well, and the way they use a guy like Josh
Speaker 3: Mna tell Us and you know, Harrison Smith, moving him
Speaker 3: all over the field and bringing him it'll be interesting.
Speaker 3: By the way, I like, I'm going to bring back
Speaker 3: another Michael Jordan reference. You guys are saying Kirk was
Speaker 3: year two Michael Jordan Washington Wizards when he could only
Speaker 3: play in spots because he couldn't jump off the floor.
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean, what's what's coot right now? Too?
Speaker 1: He's killing them Like he's as big a problem as
Speaker 1: as Tucker is for the Ravens. Like this could be
Speaker 1: a close game. The one right spot here is the
Speaker 1: Falcons came out of there by and Rahee Morris said
Speaker 1: they were going to be a different team defensively, and
Speaker 1: they were. So that is something you could take from
Speaker 1: that game, like if they can be an average to
Speaker 1: above average defense the rest of the way. And we've
Speaker 1: seen Raheem Morris go on streaks sometimes and they got
Speaker 1: Ebakeetty and they got some pass rush out of North.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 1: If that's a little real, then maybe Kirk writes a
Speaker 1: totally different story, because how sweet would it be for
Speaker 1: him to get off this schneid and have one of
Speaker 1: those crazy Kirk Cousins games.
Speaker 2: There's no way.
Speaker 1: Okay, now I'm taking Now, I'm going to Atlanta plus
Speaker 1: five and a half.
Speaker 2: At least to cover.
Speaker 1: At least to cover because every Kirk Cousins game is
Speaker 1: the same. It comes, there's gonna be insanity, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be up and down, and it's gonna end up
Speaker 1: with Kirk having the ball with a chance to win.
Speaker 1: That's how it goes. So that's probably within five and
Speaker 1: a half. I don't know how it ends. I'm not
Speaker 1: one of the scriptwriters here.
Speaker 3: And by the way, speaking of Raheem morris Is defense
Speaker 3: being better, Kaiden Nellis is the best defensive player in
Speaker 3: the NFL.
Speaker 4: It does not get talked to him.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, He's a hell of a player inside linebacker
Speaker 3: who they bring on a lot of pressures. Brother starts
Speaker 3: for the Broncos. Fathers Luther Ellis one of twelve kids.
Speaker 3: Kate Nellis held a play.
Speaker 2: I never knew they were brothers, which, of course how
Speaker 2: many too.
Speaker 3: Ellis's seven of them adopted great story, but kay Nellis
Speaker 3: is a hell of a player.
Speaker 4: That's a whole defense with a sub answer.
Speaker 5: And just one of those things where we got to
Speaker 5: figure out was that the Chargers line and the injuries
Speaker 5: for the Chargers or the Falcons getting better going and
Speaker 5: now going up against.
Speaker 4: Sam Darnold, who's Steve was.
Speaker 5: Early but then late, we get to see the fully
Speaker 5: realized Sam Donald on a game winning drive, including a
Speaker 5: fourth and sixth where he got a dot to Justin
Speaker 5: Jefferson for the first though.
Speaker 3: Remember of the quarterback island Sam Donald, who as has
Speaker 3: it brought him in my argument.
Speaker 2: He was closed.
Speaker 4: We didn't get him on.
Speaker 1: This is how good Sam Donald has been playing lately.
Speaker 1: I actually felt guilty post show that he was not
Speaker 1: on it, and Gino was that's how well he's playing,
Speaker 1: Like I genuinely feel bad because he's played that well.
Speaker 3: Because he's not only winning games, he's they're asking him
Speaker 3: to win games, and he's throwing the ball like thirty
Speaker 3: six thirty seven times a game, a lot of it late,
Speaker 3: and he's making those throws that he wasn't making when
Speaker 3: he was not with Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I just want to make one last point on this one,
Speaker 1: which is they waved goodbye to Kirk Cousins because they
Speaker 1: had a price they would not go over. Now, Kevin
Speaker 1: O'Connell wanted him back, and I think they would have
Speaker 1: had him back if he had accepted a contract they
Speaker 1: probably knew he wasn't going to take, but that would
Speaker 1: have been fair if he wanted to stay there. If
Speaker 1: you think about the way they've built their team without
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, what a difference it makes. And it's one
Speaker 1: of the big reasons they're ten and two. Not only
Speaker 1: do you have JJ McCarthy in the future, who unfortunately
Speaker 1: got hurt and Darnold has worked out as a much
Speaker 1: cheaper option, but guys like Andrew Van Ginkel and Grenard
Speaker 1: that you were able to pick up in free agency
Speaker 1: and Gilmore and spread it around, and it's part of
Speaker 1: the reason that defense is so good.
Speaker 5: Let's get to a couple of teams now, who's defenses
Speaker 5: and spots the season have been good. It's the Monday
Speaker 5: night football matchup between the Cincinnati Bengals and the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Cincinnati favorite by five and a half favorite. Again, the
Speaker 5: losses keep piling up forty nine and a half.
Speaker 4: The over under.
Speaker 5: Of course, Joe, Troy and Lisa on the call, Steve,
Speaker 5: as we have seen things go horribly wrong. So a
Speaker 5: midlife crisis car purchase for Joe Burrow. He goes out
Speaker 5: and buzz the batmobile.
Speaker 4: Is it gonna need it? Against Micah and the company?
Speaker 3: It's insy because you know, I wash at the game
Speaker 3: last week when Pittsburgh just scored Will and Greg we
Speaker 3: talked about it, yesha, with the same play basically with
Speaker 3: you know, the running back with Nashia Harris going out
Speaker 3: on the release right up the middle. They do that
Speaker 3: play ten times, but against teams that losing record. Cincinnati
Speaker 3: is really good. They're really good. And you know, again,
Speaker 3: their defense is not they don't want they didn't want
Speaker 3: to tackle anybody.
Speaker 4: They're covered.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's okay, they're just I don't know what has
Speaker 3: happened to that defense. There has been some talent trained,
Speaker 3: but their offense is functioning at such an insanely high level.
Speaker 3: I like the five and a half for Cincinnati on
Speaker 3: the road here. I do think even though they lost
Speaker 3: that game the way they did to Pittsburgh. Those dudes
Speaker 3: aren't quitting right there. They are playing their heads off offensively.
Speaker 3: So I think right now this is a showcase game.
Speaker 3: It's against the Cowboys, and they're gonna go out there
Speaker 3: and keep ringing up the scoreboard because at number nine, man.
Speaker 4: That is a right. Joe Burrow is as real as
Speaker 4: it gets.
Speaker 1: Right, and that's why I would expect them to win
Speaker 1: this game handily. That these two teams is kind of
Speaker 1: the In the Hunt, like really bull because I noticed
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were on those In the Hunt graphics still
Speaker 1: over Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: And I've seen them sneaking on the Bengels.
Speaker 1: That's some respect for Joe Burrow, really, just saying like,
Speaker 1: we respect you so much, we're gonna keep you in
Speaker 1: that graphic. Speaking of which, if you're watching this game,
Speaker 1: they got the Alt cast, oh different graphics, and I
Speaker 1: just learned maybe this was out there before, but I
Speaker 1: just learned today that it's gonna be our friend of
Speaker 1: the show, Mina kimes uh and Dan Orlovsky providing some
Speaker 1: some analysis as part of the Simpsons casts. I don't
Speaker 1: think they are, but they do have little Mina Kimes
Speaker 1: and Orlovsky's that look like Simpsons characters that.
Speaker 2: They that she put out there. Pretty cool. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: watch that. I'm gonna I'm can mean this.
Speaker 4: Harry gonna look like Marges.
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to make it. I think they're
Speaker 1: to make it real to life. Both these teams, by
Speaker 1: the way, I checked on next Gen stats, they both
Speaker 1: have a three percent chance to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: So I guess in a.
Speaker 1: World where they just turned it around somehow, they still
Speaker 1: they still do have a shot. Zach Taylor better win
Speaker 1: this game, by the way, big game, you know, for him,
Speaker 1: everyone kind of assumes lou Ana Rumo is gone at
Speaker 1: the end of the year, which all respect to him,
Speaker 1: he's yeah.
Speaker 4: I think he's help of a coach.
Speaker 1: Guys that are that good, you don't stay a coordinator forever.
Speaker 1: In many places, it happens he'll get hired somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I think it's worth thinking about Zach Taylor and and
Speaker 1: losses like this.
Speaker 2: I know the offense is good.
Speaker 1: If if they had a loss like this on Monday
Speaker 1: Night football or something, maybe that you would think would
Speaker 1: maybe get the Browns attention.
Speaker 5: But but that's the thing that that's the if in
Speaker 5: this I don't think the Cincinnati Bengals lose this game.
Speaker 5: I kind of saw it as the game went on
Speaker 5: against the Giants, where Cooper rush within ten yards, especially
Speaker 5: throwing crossers, that that's the guy you want. But as
Speaker 5: soon as the play requires something other than that, that's
Speaker 5: where the wheels kind of start to fall off of
Speaker 5: Cooper rush. I think lou An Arumo and defense with
Speaker 5: Hal has a lot of veterans, I think talent wise,
Speaker 5: maybe we thought a little bit more of the veterans
Speaker 5: on this Cincinnati Bengals defense coming into the season than
Speaker 5: the way things. I don't know if some guys are
Speaker 5: playing through some things or not. But but over on
Speaker 5: the other side, the town's still there on the offensive side,
Speaker 5: I hope the front office figures it out.
Speaker 4: They have a unique product that other people don't have.
Speaker 5: H they should use the resources available to them to
Speaker 5: keep those particular products together.
Speaker 4: Speaking specifically of.
Speaker 5: T Higgins, Jamar Chase, and Joe Burrow, that's a fun thing.
Speaker 5: It would be better for the NFL and better for
Speaker 5: those of us who watch the NFL if those guys
Speaker 5: play together for their careers.
Speaker 4: I know, maybe I'm wish casting.
Speaker 3: There you are, but there's there's a historical precedent with
Speaker 3: that organization where that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: But I mean, they've broken historical precedent with this group
Speaker 5: since it's been together.
Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit of wishcasting. Perhaps crazier things
Speaker 1: have happened. I haven't thought about that that, Like, you
Speaker 1: never know. Maybe they maybe they will step up to
Speaker 1: the play. I'd love to see it.
Speaker 5: But unless unless Michael Parsons, this Dallas defense overshown. Maybe yeah,
Speaker 5: Mao and overshaw scores touchdowns. Good last year's leader in
Speaker 5: interceptions with the record breaking pick sixes gets in the ends.
Speaker 5: But I just it would take too much for Dallas
Speaker 5: to win this.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. But maybe maybe the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: be inspired. They played better, they have played better, especially
Speaker 1: on defense, and maybe the rest of the crew will
Speaker 1: be inspired by Dak Prescott's steadfast support of Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Where he's been around there so long, Dak Prescott and
Speaker 1: had so many contracts from them. He could even throw
Speaker 1: in a little zinger saying maybe they should let you know,
Speaker 1: Mike have a little more responsibility, Let the coach coach
Speaker 1: the team. He basically was saying without saying it, which
Speaker 1: I respect out of Dak sticking up for his guy
Speaker 1: and saying, maybe that's some of the reason why the
Speaker 1: coaches there struggle. Let's take a quick break. We're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap up the rest of the Week fourteen preview. After
Speaker 1: the break, we still haven't picked our survivor. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: still rolling. We're surviving, we're thriving. One of my favorite
Speaker 1: rivalries Jets Dolphins. And you might say, well, why would
Speaker 1: that be one of your favorite rivalries.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I grew up with the AFC East and those fan bases.
Speaker 1: They really hate each other. For some reason, the Dolphins
Speaker 1: and the Jets fan bases hate each other. I think
Speaker 1: with a passion actually that the Patriots fans will feel
Speaker 1: left out of.
Speaker 3: As somebody who covered the Dolphins, I can tell you why,
Speaker 3: because half of the Jets fan base lives in South
Speaker 3: Florida and occupies that stadium.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel it. You feel it, even in New
Speaker 2: York you feel it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the animosity goes.
Speaker 5: And that's why Greg loved this game, in this matchup,
Speaker 5: because it meant either the Jets or the Dolphins would lose.
Speaker 5: Yes for his New England Patriots to get a bump
Speaker 5: in the standings. Yes, the Jets at the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 5: were six point favorites. Kevin Harland aka Trent Green and
Speaker 5: Melanie Collins on the call, Steve, we have seen the
Speaker 5: Miami Dolphins go on a run and then we saw
Speaker 5: the Packers put a stop to it. They got out physical.
Speaker 5: To use a trite football term, in the cold weather,
Speaker 5: do they bounce back against the Jets?
Speaker 3: They are in the warm weather. And I'm gonna put
Speaker 3: it this bluntly as I have it in my notes.
Speaker 3: If the Dolphins trick this game off in South Florida,
Speaker 3: then their intestinal fortitude needs to be highly questioned. There.
Speaker 3: We spoke again yesterday on the show. Their offense is
Speaker 3: playing well. Sauce Gardner is he Is he even gonna
Speaker 3: play in this game?
Speaker 2: We don't know yet, But you don't know yet. I
Speaker 2: think there's some hope.
Speaker 4: Okay, there's some hope.
Speaker 3: But this is a situation where even if he did
Speaker 3: play the way that this offense in warm weather, not
Speaker 3: in Green Bay weather, but even you know, to a
Speaker 3: playball in that game, they should put up enough points.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's the Jets. They're gonna scrap Aaron
Speaker 3: Rodgers is not trying to go out like the way
Speaker 3: things are going. But if Miami's got any type of
Speaker 3: football pride, I think they go out there and they
Speaker 3: cover by the six and they play well in this game.
Speaker 1: I like the extra rest too. At this point of
Speaker 1: the season, they're coming off the Thursday night game. Jeff
Speaker 1: Ulbricks said it's too early to know if Brees Hall
Speaker 1: or Sauce Gardner will be active, but neither practice, and
Speaker 1: he did note that Gardner plays a position where you
Speaker 1: need a healthy hamstring, especially in this game. In this matchup,
Speaker 1: you need to help me. So I'm leaning towards he
Speaker 1: is not playing in this game. That that is a
Speaker 1: huge loss, and I think it makes the Dolphins a
Speaker 1: very strong contender to be our survivor pick. Now, we
Speaker 1: have two games coming up Steelers, Browns, Bucks Raiders, so
Speaker 1: feel free to to respond there, but we could maybe
Speaker 1: make our decision after, you know, we go through all
Speaker 1: three of those games. But I have found our fraud
Speaker 1: watch on the Jets that Patrick and I have really
Speaker 1: been propagating on the airwaves since September to be a
Speaker 1: very pleasurable, mutually beneficial and enjoyable activity. That's everyone I
Speaker 1: think has benefited from. So that just shows where I'm
Speaker 1: leaning here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm also leaning in a similar direction to where
Speaker 5: Steve first planted that seed in our heads weeks and
Speaker 5: weeks and weeks ago that this Jets team might not
Speaker 5: be all it's cracked up to be. And yet the Dolphins,
Speaker 5: they started with the fumble that they donated seven points,
Speaker 5: They had an opportunity to score, they had a second
Speaker 5: in goal the one yard line, had some weird play
Speaker 5: calling that Mike macus has since really you know, looked
Speaker 5: back in hindsight said that maybe they outthought themselves a
Speaker 5: little bit there. I think they were. The game was
Speaker 5: closer than the scoreboard indicated against a good Packers team
Speaker 5: on the road. And again, as we've covered extensively on
Speaker 5: the show, that the Jets are on a good football.
Speaker 1: Ta yeah, and too is going to have a response
Speaker 1: to not make it to QB Island. He has been
Speaker 1: you know what, that's it fantastic for me survivor pick Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just let's not even wait.
Speaker 4: Let's go to its.
Speaker 2: We don't need to wait.
Speaker 4: To a snub? Did it? It put me over the top.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're a little thin. They're a little thin,
Speaker 1: and some parts of their defense and the Jets are
Speaker 1: just not the team.
Speaker 2: I think that's going to.
Speaker 5: Expose that quarterbacks completing twenty five percent of their passes
Speaker 5: when they target Jalen Ramsey. It's he's playing very well,
Speaker 5: pretty good right now on the defensive side, and I
Speaker 5: know the defense has gone through a little bit, but
Speaker 5: it's I'm comfortable here.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm comfortable too.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see them get the running game going,
Speaker 1: get where he Mostered out of the doghouse.
Speaker 2: But yes, wow, I'm company.
Speaker 4: He's in there. Did he do something? I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I just don't think there.
Speaker 1: He did have some fumbles I think earlier in the year,
Speaker 1: but they're I mean, they're not using him. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a doghouse, but that last week it
Speaker 1: raised my eyebrows because that's a game where you need
Speaker 1: a power runner and you're trying to run eight chan
Speaker 1: up there and you're getting some negga when they came
Speaker 1: out here, Mike, did Moster just get old all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, It happens.
Speaker 3: They're treating him that way because even when he was
Speaker 3: here against the Chargers. It was a Chargers, right, They
Speaker 3: came out to LA to play the Charger.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Camera, but before the game, you know their their running
Speaker 3: back coach x Dudyfield was like, you're gonna see this
Speaker 3: guy and this guy and he didn't mention, So it's.
Speaker 2: Not like it's not a personal dime. They not playing
Speaker 2: him died.
Speaker 4: They might like the younger guys better. Well.
Speaker 5: An opportunity for several Dolphins to get healthy against this
Speaker 5: Jet squad who you know, as we covered, might not
Speaker 5: have a couple of the pieces that were the reason
Speaker 5: you felt good about this franchise in the future.
Speaker 4: In Breeze Hall and Sauce Guard. Another AFC matchup, a
Speaker 4: rematch of a snow game. The Cleveland Browns back against
Speaker 4: the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 5: This time it is in Pittsburgh. The Steelers Greg six
Speaker 5: and a half point favorites. It's the CBS A one.
Speaker 5: We get Jim Tony and Tracy A.
Speaker 2: Hall.
Speaker 5: An opportunity to see Russell Wilson after he goes off
Speaker 5: against the Cincinnati Bengals to get some revenge Greg against
Speaker 5: the team that bsmirched his run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to imagine the Steelers losing twice against
Speaker 1: the same opponent in such a short time. First of all,
Speaker 1: you know Browns fans living right, they're getting, you know,
Speaker 1: the Thursday night crew, They're getting the Sunday Night crew
Speaker 1: or Monday night crew. They got Nanton Romo. Here you
Speaker 1: got Andrew Ciciliano. When you're in the car on the
Speaker 1: right pickup stuff. I mean, you got the best broadcasting
Speaker 1: cruise in the business covering the Browns down the stretch.
Speaker 1: And why not, They're the best show in football with Jamis.
Speaker 1: It almost got a little loss in the shuffle because
Speaker 1: of how it ended. Just how many outstanding throws Jameis
Speaker 1: Winston made in that game, and people like, well, that's
Speaker 1: the experience. The roller coasters, like the ups and downs,
Speaker 1: and in the end, I think the idea is that
Speaker 1: it's ultimately an l Get some stops on defense please too.
Speaker 1: Like Jim Schwartz hasn't been great, but he is moving
Speaker 1: an offense that was among the very very worst in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and since he's taken over, in terms of
Speaker 1: moving the ball, they're up there. So he deserves a
Speaker 1: lot of credit for the high level throats he's making
Speaker 1: in addition to all the off field you know comments
Speaker 1: at everyone enjoys and everything and wants to poke fun
Speaker 1: and I do too. I'm just saying, like he's playing football. Well,
Speaker 1: so let's not have that lost look.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think he'll be delivered from the
Speaker 3: Lord from throwing pick sixes.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't think. But here's what.
Speaker 3: He threw the ball fifty eight times that game. Yeah right,
Speaker 3: He's been throwing the ball forty plus times. Jim Schwartz's
Speaker 3: defense has been actually playing very good. Craig, it's their
Speaker 3: run game. Their run game has been nothing. You can't
Speaker 3: run the football with Chubb and Ford. That's why Jamis
Speaker 3: is having to throw it. I do think this is
Speaker 3: a game. I don't like the six and a half
Speaker 3: number for Pittsburgh. But TJ. Watt's not gonna like the
Speaker 3: fact that Miles Garrett was barking after the Thursday Oh game,
Speaker 3: good call? Like you do you remember, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 3: the edge, I'm that dude. Don't forget that. So TJ's
Speaker 3: going to be a little worked up. Herbig's gonna be
Speaker 3: a little worked up. Alex high Smith is going to
Speaker 3: be back for this game as well. Based on reports
Speaker 3: about his health status. So I just think Pittsburgh and
Speaker 3: here's where Pittsburg because I was at the Snowglow game.
Speaker 3: Where Pittsburgh lost that game to me was the fact
Speaker 3: that they played justin fields as much as they did.
Speaker 3: Not that the fact that he played ten percent of
Speaker 3: their snaps, but when they put him in, Russ was
Speaker 3: rolling rush was.
Speaker 4: Like ten to ten on third down.
Speaker 3: That all of a sudden they started putting justin fields
Speaker 3: in in those third and short situations, which is when
Speaker 3: the justin field package tends to work.
Speaker 4: So they didn't necessarily break trend.
Speaker 3: Just the feel for that game right now, I thought
Speaker 3: disrupted some things that won't happen again. You only saw
Speaker 3: him play two snaps against the Bengals, and he did
Speaker 3: those well at work perfectly.
Speaker 4: I think they dial him back. I like Pittsburgh in
Speaker 4: this game. Cleveland's playing better. I do not like the
Speaker 4: six and a half. Yeah, it's Miles Garrett Key here
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 5: Just watching him try to work his shoulder out oh
Speaker 5: late in that game good point against the Denver Broncos
Speaker 5: gave me some concerns because it was the shoulder last
Speaker 5: year when Miles had his fall off and Steelers and
Speaker 5: Browns fans.
Speaker 4: What if, hypothetically, what if both Miles Garrett and TJ.
Speaker 4: Watt are good football players? Yeah, like we can, we
Speaker 4: don't in both of them. I think I think they
Speaker 4: will both try hard.
Speaker 5: I think I can only think of one instance be
Speaker 5: motivated in his career where Miles Garrett didn't try as
Speaker 5: hard as he possibly could.
Speaker 4: Uh much to the credit for Mason Rudolph there that
Speaker 4: he didn't.
Speaker 5: But there's there's just such a high degree of difficulty
Speaker 5: for this Browns team, and you see it in so
Speaker 5: many different areas, especially in the passing attack where Jameis
Speaker 5: is throwing those picks because these are all contested targets.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, David Nijoku had an average separation of two
Speaker 5: point four yards and he got seventeen targets.
Speaker 4: Nobody think he got that much. I mean he was blanketed. No, no,
Speaker 4: no tight end has had that many targets since Travis
Speaker 4: Kelce two years ago.
Speaker 2: And he made some tough catches.
Speaker 4: He did, but it's just it's.
Speaker 5: Asking a lot to do that consistently, and now you
Speaker 5: got to do it against the Steelers defenses. I'm out
Speaker 5: and see jamis play. Albeit nobody's really seeing things very
Speaker 5: well in the snow, but it's a tough.
Speaker 4: Ask, it is.
Speaker 1: This is the portion of the show where we tell
Speaker 1: you a little bit about AFC North hard knocks. This
Speaker 1: division format might have some legs. It was fun seeing
Speaker 1: a little Tomlin behind me and didn't see it. But great,
Speaker 1: And this matchup here George Pickens denz Award doesn't get
Speaker 1: much better than that. Let's give some credit to Art Smith.
Speaker 1: Let's get a little more Arthur Smith than the hard knocks.
Speaker 1: He's making it happen. Everyone will have to pick on
Speaker 1: Art Smith when he was struggling. We got we got
Speaker 1: c pat back there, Cordell Patterson and Warren and Najee Harris.
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm thinking, like they're really working this backfield.
Speaker 2: Maybe they do have enough weapons.
Speaker 1: They don't have wide receivers, but you got Friarmouth, you
Speaker 1: got the running backs, you got Pickens. Like they got
Speaker 1: enough on offense to maybe he'll get that one seed.
Speaker 1: It's not even over.
Speaker 3: Oh, they they've got enough. Real quick do they show
Speaker 3: the part? Because I was standing by the Steelers locker
Speaker 3: room post game Sunday. First thing Tom One says, he
Speaker 3: knows the NFL film Cruiser, Get this s get this
Speaker 3: ish off.
Speaker 4: He he want to get that mic Ah. But then
Speaker 4: he says, is Bootsie Collins here?
Speaker 3: Because boots he is from Cincinnati, right, A legend, the
Speaker 3: legendary James Brown, Parliament Funkadelic, Bootsi's rubber band bass player.
Speaker 4: Where's Bootsy? I want to see Bootsie Collins? I was like,
Speaker 4: what coach is coming off the field hollering for a
Speaker 4: Pfunk All Star only Mike.
Speaker 2: D Yeah, that's it. That's the only it did make
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I did not watch the entire thing after it, I
Speaker 2: watched the little part of it.
Speaker 4: It's a lot going on. It's a busy time of
Speaker 4: the year.
Speaker 2: I am gonna I'm gonna get through it. My son
Speaker 2: woke up and watched it this morning. He's crazy. He
Speaker 2: gets up at like five point thirty in the morning
Speaker 2: and just starts watching something.
Speaker 4: Where do you get that from?
Speaker 2: He said it was good. He said it was good.
Speaker 4: And that's a report that we can trump. Walker Rosenthal
Speaker 4: knows ball.
Speaker 5: As we get to the Las Vegas Raiders, the self
Speaker 5: proclaimed worst team in the NFL, giving the best team
Speaker 5: in the NFL, A run for it's money if not
Speaker 5: for a misstime snap in the final opportunity at the
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who are six and a half point favorites.
Speaker 5: The over under is forty six. It's on CBS, Buroudidas,
Speaker 5: Adam Artielletta and Adid Kinkawala on the call, the Aid
Speaker 5: and O'Connell revolution.
Speaker 4: Is it real, Steve? Do we get that version of
Speaker 4: AOC two weeks in a row.
Speaker 3: If he throws the ball to Brock Bauers at every
Speaker 3: every play because Bauer is just that good. No, I mean,
Speaker 3: the Raiders are not going to win this ball game.
Speaker 3: I like Tampa Bay at six and a half. The
Speaker 3: Raiders are my favorite to have the first overall pick,
Speaker 3: not the Giants. And then we're gonna see Tom Brady's
Speaker 3: influence on this organization in the offseason. That's already where
Speaker 3: I am when it comes to the Raiders, who's you
Speaker 3: going to hire as coach? If they have the number
Speaker 3: one pick? Where they're gonna do about the quarterback because
Speaker 3: that's where they have to go Shadure. That'd be interesting.
Speaker 3: It's being a little more fun to the Raiders organization.
Speaker 3: But maybe Tom doesn't like that.
Speaker 1: You just gave me a flash forward. So what we're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about a lot and NFL Daily.
Speaker 4: That'sh we're going.
Speaker 1: That's where we are there picking. It's gonna be top
Speaker 1: five and they'll be in They'll be in that mix.
Speaker 1: They nailed their first pick last year. I think they
Speaker 1: wanted a quarterback. They didn't have a chance to take one.
Speaker 1: And Brock Bowers deserves consideration for Offensive Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: and now.
Speaker 4: You offensive rookie or offensive player rookie.
Speaker 1: Sorry, okay, although he's only fourth in receiving yards, like
Speaker 1: among everyone, not just among rookies. I saw that and
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a second, are they filtering it out?
Speaker 1: It's Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, and then Terry McLaurin only
Speaker 1: has Bowers by like eight yards or something. This kid
Speaker 1: is is special and we've been saying he's the best
Speaker 1: tight end in the league all season. So I'm feeling
Speaker 1: I'm feeling validated after the numbers he's putting up the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. They have some things I've liked
Speaker 1: about their team. They're certainly competing our guy Jack Jones,
Speaker 1: who was on the show. I swear he shows up
Speaker 1: every week and is playing pretty well in coverage.
Speaker 4: Yeah he does. Yeah, it's a good play in.
Speaker 1: Bucks are like, why are you just Bucks fans are like,
Speaker 1: why are you talking about the Raiders?
Speaker 2: Where the relevant?
Speaker 5: Because we're gonna be talking about the Raiders. Okay, yeah
Speaker 5: give them. This is the farewell to the Las Vegas versions.
Speaker 5: But speaking of the Buccaneers, the incredible run that Mike
Speaker 5: Evans is on to start his career with a thousand
Speaker 5: yard seasons, We're sitting at five hundred and twenty one
Speaker 5: yards right now. The remaining schedule is this game against
Speaker 5: the Raiders and then the Chargers, the Cowboys, the Panthers,
Speaker 5: and the Saints. Can Mike Evans get that four hundred
Speaker 5: some odd yards to go over a k again?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yes, he looked like like Mike Evans always looks. Last
Speaker 1: week they targeted him a lot. That's not a murderer's
Speaker 1: row of defenses. It's really just the Chargers that are
Speaker 1: a plus defense out of that group. So I think
Speaker 1: he could do it.
Speaker 4: I like the way they run the ball to Bucky Irving. Man,
Speaker 4: He's that may hurt the cause.
Speaker 1: Because that may hurt the cause right, but well could
Speaker 1: set him up for some touchdowns, some fantasy points at
Speaker 1: the very least.
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving was a subject.
Speaker 1: If anyone listening subscribes to NFL Plus, we do NFL daily,
Speaker 1: almost weekly. Every every couple of weeks we do a
Speaker 1: little NFL Plus segment. We talked about rising second. You know,
Speaker 1: units and Bucky Irving right now in that running game
Speaker 1: is crazy. He he is second in the league in
Speaker 1: terms of avoiding negative runs, which I give a lot
Speaker 1: of credit to the offensive line. Then again, White is
Speaker 1: one of the worst in the league at avoiding negative runs,
Speaker 1: so it's not all offensive line.
Speaker 2: And then in terms of he's he runs.
Speaker 8: Sideways too much, so that's why thank you Guyshod White,
Speaker 8: and he and Bucky Irving's second in the league in
Speaker 8: terms of making people miss misstackles per run, so he
Speaker 8: gets around guys that are in front of him, and
Speaker 8: I would expect a lot of that in this game.
Speaker 1: They'd be a strong survivor pick too. Just saying yes,
Speaker 1: but I do like, I do like our choice the Dolphins.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Bucky Irving had those one hundred and forty
Speaker 5: seven rushing yards against the Carolina Panthers defense who don't
Speaker 5: see things get a whole lot easier because incomes the
Speaker 5: NFL's leading rusher and my MVP candidate, say Kwan Barkley.
Speaker 5: He and Jalen Hurts, an aj Brown and the Philadelphia
Speaker 5: Eagles twelve point favorites at home against Bryce and these
Speaker 5: resurgent Panthers over unders forty six Adam, I mean Mark
Speaker 5: Sanchez and Christina pink on the call.
Speaker 4: Bryce has been making tight window throws. Greg, Well, what's
Speaker 4: he do when there's no windows against Vic Fangio's squad.
Speaker 1: I think he makes the right decisions. I think he
Speaker 1: stays aggressive and maybe that ends up with an interception
Speaker 1: and in this game, because I don't think he's going
Speaker 1: to go down without a fight, and I'm really curious.
Speaker 2: Makes me want to watch this game.
Speaker 1: That number is big, but this is a much more
Speaker 1: compelling game to me because of Bryce Young and everything
Speaker 1: the Eagles are doing than a lot of these other games.
Speaker 1: I think Bryce Young has evolved from oh that's a
Speaker 1: nice story. I feel like it was a lot of
Speaker 1: like Patty on the head, like oh wow, Like it's
Speaker 1: really cool that he's he's making a career and like
Speaker 1: this is nice for him too. This is one of
Speaker 1: the bigger stories in the NIA. He was the number
Speaker 1: one overall pick in the draft last year, and he
Speaker 1: is playing at a level where it's not just hey,
Speaker 1: like he might be in the midst to start next year.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, he might be awesome. And now it's
Speaker 1: it's early, and so I don't want to you don't
Speaker 1: want to put too much expectations, like you didn't want
Speaker 1: to bury him too much early. But he is playing
Speaker 1: at a level like PFF has him since Week nine
Speaker 1: up there in the top five with with Herber and
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and Lamar. That's the level if you haven't
Speaker 1: been watching him on a on a snap to staff basis.
Speaker 2: And so this isn't a really ultimate tests.
Speaker 1: He played Denver, which was a tough one to go against,
Speaker 1: but this is another tough defense and so I'm really
Speaker 1: curious how he'll look against him.
Speaker 3: But but he can have opportunities to make plays because
Speaker 3: they're likely going to get behind pretty early based on
Speaker 3: what that Eagles offense is going to do to this defense.
Speaker 4: So this is where he's going to be put to
Speaker 4: the test.
Speaker 3: But you know, when we talk about players, you know
Speaker 3: I mentioned Kate Nellis earlier that doesn't get enough conversations.
Speaker 3: Zach Bond, linebacker for the Eagles, is another one. The
Speaker 3: vig Fangio, Vig Fangio guysicg Fangio and Zimmer they came
Speaker 3: up to get They find a player every year that
Speaker 3: nobody's thinking of and gets them going. Now it hasn't
Speaker 3: so much happened for Dallas this year, but in Zimmer's
Speaker 3: history he has done that, you know. And so Zach
Speaker 3: Bond and what he has brought to this linebacking unit
Speaker 3: that was such a mess last season. And now Na
Speaker 3: Kobe Dean is playing in a certain way and all
Speaker 3: these other guys, Jordan Davis are playing in such a way.
Speaker 3: This is why I mean, I think we got to
Speaker 3: say the Eagles if the Lions slip up or whatever
Speaker 3: and they get home field. The way this defense has
Speaker 3: grown and played and has these young players playing with
Speaker 3: their head on fire, that this is a very dangerous
Speaker 3: Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter doesn't come off the field, which is crazy,
Speaker 1: and he is on fire.
Speaker 2: The last month he was.
Speaker 1: He started the season playing like a very good football player,
Speaker 1: but now he's playing at an all pro level. I
Speaker 1: was racking my mind, and tell me if I'm just
Speaker 1: forgetting someone. If I had an All Pro vote and
Speaker 1: I don't and I can't get one that was confirmed
Speaker 1: to me, Zach Bond is my first team linebacker. Fred
Speaker 1: Warner would be another one. But I think those are
Speaker 1: my top two unless I'm missing someone. That's how that's
Speaker 1: how good he's been. He's Zach Bond's was great. I'm
Speaker 1: racking my brain. I'm trying to try and who am
Speaker 1: I missing late season Ernest Jones, No, I mean I've
Speaker 1: taken bond Man that.
Speaker 2: That dude is getting it done week after week. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Tell me this, if Cooper Dejene had played the whole season,
Speaker 3: would he be up for d R o Y Because
Speaker 3: he has made a significant difference.
Speaker 2: I think he is now and he is now. Why not.
Speaker 5: Tough to Quinnon has been special? I mean they've both
Speaker 5: been special first first.
Speaker 1: And fist and we got it confirmed there. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be a full ballot now where I believe it's five
Speaker 1: names or three names that all the voters vote for,
Speaker 1: So Cooper Dejene probably should be on some of those
Speaker 1: if we're going top five for sure, and and if
Speaker 1: you want to put him in the top three that
Speaker 1: that works.
Speaker 5: He's getting he's getting a boost by in my opinion,
Speaker 5: the most routine play I've ever seen. I go to
Speaker 5: I go to next Gen Stats to look this up
Speaker 5: to get specific numbers. When Derek Henry catches that ball,
Speaker 5: he's going seven miles an hour backwards with his back
Speaker 5: to Cooper Degene who's coming at him at eleven miles
Speaker 5: an hour directly towards him.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's a fun play for people to
Speaker 5: discuss because he scoops up Derek Henry. Yeah, but let's
Speaker 5: the kid has been great.
Speaker 1: That plays one of his superpowers I think, and it
Speaker 1: showed up in some splash plays like when he got
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase down in the open field and fourth ten
Speaker 1: is is recognition and working well with his teammates of
Speaker 1: where to go on certain plays. And he did make
Speaker 1: a good play on there, Like that's a play that
Speaker 1: we've seen work for Baltimore where if you get get
Speaker 1: it to Henry on the check down and he's got
Speaker 1: a couple of yards of space that he ends up
Speaker 1: getting that seven yards and the fact that there is
Speaker 1: no separation is a credit to Cooper Degene even if
Speaker 1: the tackle was more more routine. That is the kind
Speaker 1: of positive plays he's made. He's been so good sticking
Speaker 1: up for my guy and he's not my guy.
Speaker 4: But no criticized.
Speaker 5: I'm just sayings other places where you could say he's
Speaker 5: been great.
Speaker 3: Right, he's been so good to We have not heard
Speaker 3: anyone refer to him as sneaky athletic.
Speaker 5: Praise God, he's been back. I'll say a Jameis prayer
Speaker 5: to get rid of sneak. And I think I think
Speaker 5: we've we've we've almost done it. I think we've all
Speaker 5: but eliminated it from the lexico. That would be great,
Speaker 5: really used it.
Speaker 1: It's a good lesson for kids that bullying works. Now
Speaker 1: there's bad bullying. You don't want to, you know, but
Speaker 1: just like in you gotta be smart enough to know
Speaker 1: what is worth it. If you if you're just making
Speaker 1: fun of people over and over for using a bad phrase,
Speaker 1: that's acceptable bullying. I think it's just like verbal it's
Speaker 1: kind hearted, but you're you're standing up on the right
Speaker 1: side of history.
Speaker 4: Got someone got someone else for you too. I was
Speaker 4: just going through.
Speaker 3: But you talk about the inside linebackers linebackers, does Frankie
Speaker 3: Louvu breaking.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one. They're kind of similar to
Speaker 1: because you think a lot of Louvu's value has come
Speaker 1: from blitzing. Now that's not Bonn isn't all the way there,
Speaker 1: but he's certainly closer to the line of scrimmage. It's
Speaker 1: crazy how Vix had some of these linebackers over the year.
Speaker 1: He had at one point was Amad Brooks on the
Speaker 1: same team as Willison Bowm.
Speaker 4: Guess he was.
Speaker 3: AMoD Brooks was on those early teams. I think when
Speaker 3: when Vick was there, when they had Justin Smith.
Speaker 1: And some of those guys, because I believe it was
Speaker 1: fran duffy uh who was at all p h o
Speaker 1: y who made the comp of Zach Bond to what
Speaker 1: a mod Brooks used to do in vic vanjoz Offenson.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's pretty good comp.
Speaker 1: He likes to have that extra guy on the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and Bonn isn't quite as big, but he's
Speaker 1: he's a physical player and he's a hell of a player.
Speaker 2: That's a good one, though. Can you vote for three linebackers?
Speaker 2: I think he can't. Is it two? Or three.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: We change the rules before we go. Greg, Yeah, I
Speaker 5: know it's against the Carolina Panthers. Is there anything Jalen
Speaker 5: Hurts can do in this game to try to make
Speaker 5: a case to get on the island?
Speaker 1: Man there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, hope for Uno.
Speaker 2: I think they might be too good with what they're
Speaker 2: doing for him to get on it.
Speaker 3: Here was Greg's argument against because it was a very
Speaker 3: short conversation when I brought it up.
Speaker 4: He's like, he's not the first player you think of
Speaker 4: when you talk about their offense. Your MVP Patrick Saikwan
Speaker 4: Barkley is well, I feel bad about it, but that
Speaker 4: doesn't mean the quarterbacks, right.
Speaker 1: I feel bad about that too, because I think if
Speaker 1: you look at QB's, if you're doing the QB rankings
Speaker 1: like Shook does every week, after you get past about
Speaker 1: five or six, there's about another eight seven eight guys
Speaker 1: playing at a really high, at high level.
Speaker 2: I think that's Hurts.
Speaker 1: I think last week's game actually was the perfect example
Speaker 1: of why Hurts isn't on QB island. If you go
Speaker 1: through the throws he made in that game, he didn't
Speaker 1: have to do anything.
Speaker 4: He doesn't make money.
Speaker 1: It's not in his fault, but they were all just
Speaker 1: these little like he didn't have to make any high
Speaker 1: level throws in that game, and they beat one of
Speaker 1: the best team in the NFL.
Speaker 3: He's throwing the ball twenty four times a game, and
Speaker 3: like I said, Sam Donald's storing at thirty eight, so
Speaker 3: they're asking more.
Speaker 1: Half of them are just smoke routes or the you know,
Speaker 1: it's a little play action where you just it's first read,
Speaker 1: throw it right away, and that's I think he's capable
Speaker 1: of doing more.
Speaker 5: It's a fair point, yes, and that's why he's in
Speaker 5: positions to make the decision to get the easy throws
Speaker 5: because he can do more to defend more.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, who would you have over him that that's
Speaker 2: a conversation.
Speaker 4: Why, yeah, that's not my right day. I do the
Speaker 4: previous shows.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: People are like, people like, oh, I can't believe you
Speaker 1: didn't mention Sean McDermott for Coach of the Year whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well, whore you taking off that list?
Speaker 1: If you're going to say that, you got to take
Speaker 1: someone off. It's it's not hard. It's courageous work that
Speaker 1: we do here. It is as a panelists, analysts, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it. Brave harts Man, we are.
Speaker 1: We will be back on Thursday Night. One of the
Speaker 1: best Thursday Night games of the entire season. I looked
Speaker 1: at the list. It is the best primetime leave for
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. Lions and Packers appreciate you, Steve,
Speaker 1: appreciate Patrick as always. You can check us out on
Speaker 1: game debut by the way, too, on under our Network.
Speaker 4: That's fun. There we go.
Speaker 1: It's look when we're bringing Micah Hide back into the mix,
Speaker 1: like we might as well bring Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 2: And Kyle Williams. You know, football is back.