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Speaker 1: a missing twenty five year old man from Keene. Police

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Speaker 1: WMU are getting the word out that this twenty five

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Speaker 1: together again. First of all, you know him well. Defense

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Speaker 1: attorney in multiple jurisdiction is joining me out of Atlanta today.

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Speaker 1: Darreld Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney. Debbie Joppy Ellis

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Speaker 1: New York's ecologist, professor at Columbia University at Debbie Joffe

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Speaker 1: Ellis dot com. Former police chief John's Creek, Georgia Chief

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Speaker 1: Chris Buyer's twenty five years as an officer, now private

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Speaker 1: investigator and polygrapher at Chris Buyer's Investigations and polygraph dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network Joseph Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 1: But first to Nicole Parton, Crime Online dot Com investigate

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Speaker 1: every reporter, Nicole Parton, have you noticed, over and over

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Speaker 1: He was employed at Teleflex, the medical device at a

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, who was he dating let's just start with

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Speaker 1: assisted investigators. This case is especially heinous and gruesome. The

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Speaker 1: brutality of the crime, combined with the fact that the

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Speaker 1: defendant's destruction of evidence wasn't an effort to conceal a

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Speaker 1: capital murder, is especially alarming and concerning for the safety

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Speaker 1: of the general public. Beyond just cleaning up physical evidence

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Speaker 1: of the victim's car. After driving Jonathan's body nearly two

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Speaker 1: hundred miles north of the crime scene in Jonathan's own

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Speaker 1: car deep into the north Woods, the defendant decapitated Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: wrapped his head in a tarp, and placed it in

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Speaker 1: a grave in order to prevent investigators from identifying Jonathan

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Speaker 1: if his body was ever found. The defendant then wrapped

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Speaker 1: Jonathan's body in a tarp and drag him deeper into

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Speaker 1: the woods, where investigators found him in a shallow brook.

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Speaker 1: This was all with the intent to conceal a capital murder.

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Speaker 1: Had this defendant successfully destroyed that evidence, her husband, the

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Speaker 1: alleged murderer may very well have evaded detection and or apprehension.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray. For those of you just

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Speaker 1: joining us, A twenty five year old young man dead,

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Speaker 1: his body found decapitated two hundred miles away from home.

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Speaker 1: So she takes the dead body of her lover alone

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Speaker 1: in his car and drives it two hundred miles and

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Speaker 1: decapitates him. Is that correct? That's correct? So they leave

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Speaker 1: the park today, well, Brittany Jonathan, Yes, Brittany Baron, the

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Speaker 1: deceased lover Jonathan in Jonathan's car. She's driving with the

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Speaker 1: body and they're making this four and a half hour

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Speaker 1: track north up to this remote wooded area that we

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Speaker 1: talked about earlier. Meanwhile, her husband, Armando Baron is following

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Speaker 1: behind in his separate vehicle, but she's driving with the

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Speaker 1: deceased in the deceased car up to this wooded area.

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Speaker 1: When they get there, she decapitates him in his car.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it sure she had herself during this drive, That's

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Speaker 1: what I understand. I haven't confirmed that, but she did

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Speaker 1: mention that she had the cell phone with her because

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Speaker 1: her husband wanted to be able to communicate with her

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Speaker 1: as they were driving. Daryl Cohen, Darryl Cohen, Daryl Cohen.

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Speaker 1: So she drives the car and her with her dead

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Speaker 1: lover and the bat four hours with a cell phone.

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Speaker 1: Then she decapitates her lover, cuts his head off. Why

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Speaker 1: didn't she call a police, Well, Nancy, obviously she couldn't

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Speaker 1: call a police. She didn't want to use her phone. Walter,

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Speaker 1: that would be what what what did you say to drive? No?

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Speaker 1: Nor do you want to use the phone with your

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Speaker 1: hands unless you have hands That's fine, you have hands free.

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Speaker 1: Every phone called speaker, Well, she was certainly a speaker,

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Speaker 1: but unable to speak at the time. That is, that's

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Speaker 1: that's the first time I've ever lost a tiny bit

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Speaker 1: of respect for you. She didn't want to talk on

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Speaker 1: the phone while she was driving. Okay, Jessica Morgan, let's

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Speaker 1: just get back to reality and off the Daryl Cohen planet, Josicot.

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Speaker 1: She drove four hours with the dead body of her

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Speaker 1: lover in the back seat, and then she beheaded him

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Speaker 1: and around she had her cell phone. There's no defense

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Speaker 1: for her. Her husband is not in the car. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know when I when I first heard of this story, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I'm the word kept coming up in my mind of durest.

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Speaker 1: It's a word that attorneys used quite a bit, law

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Speaker 1: enforcement uses it quite a bit. But now you know,

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Speaker 1: since you kind of shed this light on the fact

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Speaker 1: that she was absent this guy who was, you know,

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Speaker 1: commanding her allegedly to facilitate all this thinking in a

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Speaker 1: four hour period, you couldn't just simply dial nine one one.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't make sense to me. Guys, take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Scott Chase. The defendant drove

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Speaker 1: nearly two hundred miles in a separate vehicle with a

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Speaker 1: cell phone on her person in transporting the body for

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Speaker 1: three hours approximately. You're on her with multiple opportunities anywhere

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Speaker 1: in between Fringe and the scene of of her crimes.

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Speaker 1: Demonstrates that she had multiple opportunities to avoid emitting the

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Speaker 1: crimes that she is currently charged with the crime. And

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Speaker 1: another example of that is the steering wheel itself. Her

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Speaker 1: cleaning that steering wheel was after Armando, as your honor

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Speaker 1: can see in the Affidavid had gone to destroy other evidence.

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Speaker 1: Beyond that, your honor, she did cooperate. She cooperated after

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Speaker 1: she was caught. She had multiple opportunities prior to being

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Speaker 1: caught by New Hampshire fishing game to seek help to

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Speaker 1: avoid regardless of you know, in addition to the two

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Speaker 1: hundred miles that she drove and had the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: prevent herself from from feeling like she needed to commit

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Speaker 1: any other crimes. So to unicole Apart and crime online

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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, how was the body found? So

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Speaker 1: the body was found decapitated as we know, the head

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Speaker 1: wrapped in a separate tarp, buried in a shallow wet

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Speaker 1: grave a few hundred yards from the body that was

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Speaker 1: also wrapped in a tarp that was kind of thrown

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Speaker 1: in a stream in the area with some branches on

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Speaker 1: top of it. So she manages to single handedly cut

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Speaker 1: his hat off, throw his body in a creek, and

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Speaker 1: bury the head. But how was she discovered? How was

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Speaker 1: the body discovered? Who discovered it? So it was at

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Speaker 1: this wooded area. After the body and the head were buried,

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Speaker 1: her husband leaves her there. They make a makeshift camp.

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Speaker 1: He says he's going back home, making that four and

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Speaker 1: a half hour trip back south, leaving her there at

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Speaker 1: the campsite. She's there camping when hunters are coming by,

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Speaker 1: saying look, lady you're camping in an unauthorized area. You're

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Speaker 1: not supposed to be here. So it was some hunters

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Speaker 1: who reported to the Department of Fishing Game that there's

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Speaker 1: a lady year at a campsite in an unauthorized area.

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Speaker 1: And so when the Fishing Game Department came up on

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Speaker 1: the campsite, that's when they begin to locate and realize, hey,

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Speaker 1: some things here are not quite as they would be.

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Speaker 1: They told her to pack up camp to get out.

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Speaker 1: They help her load up her things. They get out

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Speaker 1: of the camp in an area there where she's this

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Speaker 1: makeshift camps when she says to one of the gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: I forgot something. Can you go back to the camp

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Speaker 1: and look at this for me? And she also says

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Speaker 1: under her breath, I'm in a lot of trouble. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When those camp site they go back, and then what happens.

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Speaker 1: They go back, and that's when they begin to look

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Speaker 1: a little closer and they find drag marks in the

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Speaker 1: mud from her camp site over to that stream, and

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Speaker 1: that's when they find the body wrapped in the tark

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Speaker 1: with the branches. Now she does have a defense in

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Speaker 1: the works. Take a listen to her defense attorney Richard Guerrero,

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Speaker 1: and everything that the State alleges that miss Baron did,

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Speaker 1: she did under duress, and I mean under duress, meaning

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Speaker 1: direct fear from her for her life after having been beaten.

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Speaker 1: According to the New Hampshire State Police account of this

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Speaker 1: in their interview with her, if you look at page four,

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Speaker 1: this really started with her being beaten severely. If you

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Speaker 1: look at her face right now, to the extent that

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Speaker 1: you can see it, she still has the bruising on

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Speaker 1: her face and around her eyes, and it's described in

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Speaker 1: the affidavit. Armando beat her severely and threatened her. He

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Speaker 1: put a gun in her mouth an obvious threat to

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Speaker 1: kill her. He applied enough force to her neck to

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Speaker 1: make it difficult for her to breathe to the point

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Speaker 1: that she passed out, and chipped her tooth. In the incident,

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Speaker 1: she was to say Lulie severely threatened, severely beaten and

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Speaker 1: placed in fear of her life. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: Annie Hersberger wmu R nine. Thirty year old Armando Baron

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Speaker 1: is charged with capital murder for allegedly kidnapping and then

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Speaker 1: shooting twenty five year old Jonathan Emerald in the head.

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Speaker 1: His wife Brittney Baron also faces three charges of falsifying

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Speaker 1: physical evidence associated with the crime after driving Jonathan's body

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Speaker 1: nearly two hundred miles north of the crime scene in

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Speaker 1: Jonathan's own car deep into the north Woods. That if

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Speaker 1: a decapitated Jonathan wrapped his head in a tarp and

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Speaker 1: placed it in a grave. Court records say this may

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Speaker 1: have been sparked when Armando Baron discovered an affair that

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Speaker 1: court paperwork said was going on between his wife and

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Speaker 1: Emerald to U Nicole Parton. One last question. I understand

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Speaker 1: there's evidence that Britney Baron used a machete to cut

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Speaker 1: Jonathan's wrist or hands after he was kidnapped and forced

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Speaker 1: into the car at gunpoint. I'm curious that's correct. Was

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Speaker 1: he still arrive when she chopped his hands with a machete? Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: he was alive when she did that. Okay, good luck,

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Speaker 1: good luck getting out of that one, lady. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfalls. Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off goodbye friend,