Speaker 1: Welcome into Jagson, presented by Carshield. It's Monday, August fourteenth.
Speaker 1: We have Jaguars actual football to talk about in terms
Speaker 1: of they played a preseason game, which we've been dying
Speaker 1: for because we've been you know, sweating mount in the
Speaker 1: sun at training camp. So things are legit, and I
Speaker 1: think some of the younger players we've been talking about
Speaker 1: really came out and showed out. And that was what
Speaker 1: I was most impressed by from that game.
Speaker 2: I think all the rookies did. I mean, maybe you
Speaker 2: could say Eric Hallett, but you just go down the
Speaker 2: line and every one of them. John did something that
Speaker 2: was noteworthy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's what you look for.
Speaker 4: I've gotten a striking number of emails from people upset
Speaker 4: about this or that, and the first team offense didn't
Speaker 4: start fast. And look Doug talk this morning. He wants
Speaker 4: to start faster.
Speaker 3: But is there a big concern on your part.
Speaker 4: That the offense isn't gonna be good? None, So relax
Speaker 4: about the offense until we see it a couple of
Speaker 4: regular season games not work, It's gonna work. What you
Speaker 4: wanted out of this was to see the young players
Speaker 4: you wanted to see guys. As they step up, they
Speaker 4: certainly seem deeper. I thought the depth issue was overrated
Speaker 4: last year. I thought they were fairly deep in key spots.
Speaker 4: But it looks like they have some young guys who
Speaker 4: are gonna be key and good for the future of
Speaker 4: this franchise.
Speaker 2: And by the way, apologies to Derek Parrish and Eric
Speaker 2: Hallett if they did something. You know, I didn't see
Speaker 2: every Worokie do something, but as I went through my list,
Speaker 2: there were a lot of guys that did, and to me,
Speaker 2: that's what matters the most.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna be talking a ton about that today.
Speaker 1: But let's start off with big things. Because third drive
Speaker 1: was the charm for Trevor. We thought we would see
Speaker 1: the starters for maybe one or two drives. Obviously Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence throwing that interception on the first drive, and then
Speaker 1: you know, they punted on the second drive.
Speaker 5: It's obviously a bit.
Speaker 1: Of a I think Duck said the ball slipped out
Speaker 1: of his hands there, but just a mistake. You know,
Speaker 1: he just shouldn't have either thrown out of bounds or
Speaker 1: you know, let that play go.
Speaker 5: But they did bounce back from that, right.
Speaker 1: They got the fumble on the punt and they were
Speaker 1: able to get the ball back on that third possession.
Speaker 1: They put the stage back out there and then you
Speaker 1: saw the drive that you wanted to see, right. You
Speaker 1: want to see them finish strong and to get that
Speaker 1: touchdown pass to Christian Kirk. They went for the two
Speaker 1: point conversion as well, and I think John were encouraged
Speaker 1: that at least they were able to kind of finish
Speaker 1: things off after a little bit of.
Speaker 5: Rocky start there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you want to see him smooth it out
Speaker 4: over the long run. But this is sort of what
Speaker 4: Trevor is. I mean, he he.
Speaker 3: Gets it going.
Speaker 4: It can take him a while to get started, and
Speaker 4: it took him ahi to get stared the other night.
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about the interception. I'm not worried about
Speaker 4: anything on this offense. But you know, if they had
Speaker 4: stopped the game after three series against the Chargers last year,
Speaker 4: but it gets fired, Yeah, I mean, I'm exaggera and
Speaker 4: they weren't gona get fired. But you know, so football
Speaker 4: is a sixty minute game. This is what this team
Speaker 4: sort of is. If this was a game, they hung
Speaker 4: in there, they shut them out, and then they got
Speaker 4: to turn over and went in and scored.
Speaker 2: That's football.
Speaker 4: This team takes advantage of opportunities. I'm starting to think
Speaker 4: of of Trevor's sort of an adrenaline quarterback and when
Speaker 4: he gets it going and all of a sudden, it
Speaker 4: can turn to magic. And his last two throws were
Speaker 4: both scores, So stop worrying about the first one so much.
Speaker 4: The offense is gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: People were because they enjoy it, right, I mean, there
Speaker 2: are people that like defining the negative in something and
Speaker 2: then work their way through it. He's still a young quarterback.
Speaker 2: He's got thirty six career starts, thirty four in the
Speaker 2: regular season, so that's nothing that concerns me. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what I lot.
Speaker 4: I guess what, Brian, this team's not going to score
Speaker 4: in every possession this year. If they did, that would
Speaker 4: be some sort of record, and they're probably gonna win
Speaker 4: every game.
Speaker 2: So you relax, I will. I don't want to point
Speaker 2: at one thing. The thing that I liked the most
Speaker 2: about the touchdown throw at about the two point was
Speaker 2: how patient he was in the pocket, how he just
Speaker 2: you know, and you covered the Patriots, so you know this.
Speaker 2: When Tom Brady was at his best. He moved in
Speaker 2: about a three foot circle, you know, radius in the pocket,
Speaker 2: not very much, just enough to sort of avoid and
Speaker 2: slide and get the vision that he needed. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what Trevor did. And the other thing is that we
Speaker 2: talked about second year in the systems. Second year with
Speaker 2: these guys together, both Kirk and Jones worked their way open.
Speaker 2: The quarterback was patient, they knew where they needed to be,
Speaker 2: and they made the place. That's the second year factor
Speaker 2: that we have been talking about since the spring.
Speaker 1: I did like a lot of what I saw on
Speaker 1: that third drive for them. I do have a Patriots
Speaker 1: comparison coming up in hot takes because I did see
Speaker 1: something very reminiscent there, which bodes well for this team.
Speaker 1: As for our big thing number two, that's the youth movement.
Speaker 1: So let's take a couple a look at some of
Speaker 1: these plays that we had from Gregory Junior, because we
Speaker 1: know Brian's been talking about him for a while now
Speaker 1: and he really came through.
Speaker 2: Well, look when you watch this guy, watch how fast
Speaker 2: he gets where he's going and then how violently he arrives.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's bang. You see him, he shows up,
Speaker 2: he pops off the tape, and what impresses me is that,
Speaker 2: you know, he's a guy that shows up from Watchita
Speaker 2: Baptist Naia Division two school and in a short time
Speaker 2: is making plays like that against guys who are competing
Speaker 2: for jobs on the Cowboys roster. That was early in
Speaker 2: the game. Those guys are competing for those special teams jobs.
Speaker 1: And everything we saw from the digress in terms of
Speaker 1: special teams, we've been talking about it for weeks now
Speaker 1: about you know, making your mark there and that's how
Speaker 1: you get your roster spot. And there's got to be
Speaker 1: you know, probably five six players I saw making plays
Speaker 1: that could get themselves a spot from that.
Speaker 2: By the way, he is not just competing for a
Speaker 2: special team's job this year, for the starting nickelback role
Speaker 2: because he's good in the middle of the field.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he's going to start at nickel
Speaker 4: this year. I think they's going to get to Trey Herndon.
Speaker 3: But he's.
Speaker 4: What they needed desperately coming into this camp was for
Speaker 4: some of this abyss of young corners meaning Braswell and
Speaker 4: Junior and Brown, for somebody to step up where you
Speaker 4: felt good about four, five and six, you know, exactly.
Speaker 4: The three is where I'm just saying he can't get
Speaker 4: to that third spot. But I would think it's going
Speaker 4: to be Trey. But you wanted, you know, coming into camp,
Speaker 4: you worried if any of those guys are out, who's
Speaker 4: you've seen nothing. Credit to Tim Jones who forced the
Speaker 4: first fumble and showed again why it's going to be
Speaker 4: tough to have him not on the roster.
Speaker 2: Hold on on it. I mean, I know Trade's been
Speaker 2: around here for a while, but people that I talked
Speaker 2: to say that that is real, that Trey Herndon and
Speaker 2: Gregory Jr. Are locked in a battle for this job.
Speaker 2: And it's not just going to be given to the
Speaker 2: veteran because he's got more starts in a young player,
Speaker 2: you know, with some uptick. There also one more name
Speaker 2: we should mention, Devod Wilson, who had an interception that
Speaker 2: was nullified by a penalty on Christian Braswell on the
Speaker 2: other side of the field for illegal contact. So it
Speaker 2: wasn't just brass Well and and the other draft picks
Speaker 2: and Greg Jr. To Vod Wilson, the undrafted rule who
Speaker 2: came from Georgia who we've talked about on this show
Speaker 2: as well came through with a big play too.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what you want to see in the preseason,
Speaker 1: these names that we've been talking about, that's where you
Speaker 1: need to show out and do that. And we're going
Speaker 1: to go over a bunch of that in the B
Speaker 1: Block Courage just after the break. We're going to come
Speaker 1: back and talk about a bunch of those young players,
Speaker 1: specifically the draft picks and what they were able to
Speaker 1: do in the game, and a round things out with
Speaker 1: our big thing Number three, Canada's favorite Son. Because Nathan
Speaker 1: Rourke had a play that ever has been blowing up
Speaker 1: absolutely everywhere, and I was on the sideline that it
Speaker 1: went down on and I was I myself just I
Speaker 1: think I was just like, no way, this man doing
Speaker 1: this right now because I was like, why is he
Speaker 1: doing it? And then I was like, oh wait, there's
Speaker 1: a chance here, because at this point I was like.
Speaker 5: Wait, wait, wait, what are we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 1: And then it's like, oh wait, he's gonna throw it.
Speaker 5: It's impressive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, big time play.
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's uh, let's pump the brakes on,
Speaker 4: putt him in the Hall of Fame and he's.
Speaker 5: In Canada's Hall of Fame. Thank you should be.
Speaker 3: A some Jaguars fan.
Speaker 4: He was the Canadian player there understandably going nuts and
Speaker 4: you always want to see this, and he played well.
Speaker 4: Besides this, I am now very very curious and interested
Speaker 4: to watch the quarterbacks, the reserve quarterbacks the rest of
Speaker 4: the preseason, which I wasn't before.
Speaker 2: That play not remind you of that third quarter play
Speaker 2: in Denver in twenty nineteen where Gardner Minshew was turned
Speaker 2: inside out and bent over and ran around and found
Speaker 2: Rockwall Armstead in the back of the end zone. That's
Speaker 2: the first thing I thought of, is, oh, I've seen
Speaker 2: that play before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's I want to see it a couple
Speaker 4: of more times. Yeah, a consistency, because he looked much
Speaker 4: much better in the game than he did in any
Speaker 4: of the training camp practices, in any the OTAs. So
Speaker 4: I didn't think he had a very good chance to
Speaker 4: make the team before the other night, you know, or
Speaker 4: I wasn't sure what was going to happen. Now you
Speaker 4: have to go with game performance with quarterbacks more than practice.
Speaker 4: So let's see it a couple more times, Let's see
Speaker 4: him stack it, and then maybe it gets interesting.
Speaker 2: He's got a nice arm though. Yeah, yeah, you've got
Speaker 2: some zip on that.
Speaker 5: Were ready for another mania? Is that what you were
Speaker 5: trying to say.
Speaker 3: With the don't man yet?
Speaker 2: No, And you're never gonna have that because you got
Speaker 2: Trevor right, that's where the mania is, correct.
Speaker 1: We don't want to get to the point where that's
Speaker 1: what's happening again.
Speaker 2: Obviously, I've heard and read a lot about wow, what
Speaker 2: a singular play. Well I saw in the regular season.
Speaker 2: We all did, right and at the time when when
Speaker 2: Minshew made that play, it like, whoa, maybe this kid
Speaker 2: can play because that literally was the exact same play,
Speaker 2: just going back the other way to a running back.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what he can do for the rest
Speaker 1: of the preseason and then maybe you know, whether it's
Speaker 1: here or elsewhere, you know, give himself a chance.
Speaker 2: Oh, that play guarantees he'll be on someone's ross.
Speaker 3: I think he'll be around here.
Speaker 4: It just be a matter of how it.
Speaker 5: Absolutely all right. Well, stay with us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go over some of those plays from the rookies,
Speaker 1: specifically that rookie class, that huge rookie class from last year,
Speaker 1: and how they were able to come through in the
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Speaker 5: Call car shield now. We finally have some football film
Speaker 5: to go over.
Speaker 1: It is the preseason, but that's when we get to
Speaker 1: see the young guys play. We get to see what
Speaker 1: they have, specifically this rookie class which was huge, and
Speaker 1: some undrafted free agency and a couple of second year
Speaker 1: guys that really, you know, maybe we're on the practice
Speaker 1: squad last year, didn't get a lot of playing time
Speaker 1: that we got to see in action.
Speaker 5: We're going to start out with let's see what are
Speaker 5: we going to start out with?
Speaker 2: Tank?
Speaker 5: Obviously we've been talking about Tank for quite some time.
Speaker 2: Right and everybody sees this, but watch eighty five. Watch
Speaker 2: the tight end make the block. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: you can see it from that angle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can see it. It was in tough, Yeah it was.
Speaker 5: It freedom up for that big, long run.
Speaker 2: And that's what you're looking for from a guy who
Speaker 2: you draft in the second round, to be able to
Speaker 2: contribute on both sides of the line. It's a great block.
Speaker 5: And that's what they've been talking about.
Speaker 1: Was Strange as well as like you know, Evan Ingrom
Speaker 1: and Doug has spoken about as well. You know, you
Speaker 1: may not be seeing as many catches Roun right now
Speaker 1: because he's blocking and he's doing all the things they
Speaker 1: want him to be doing.
Speaker 2: And that's he drove his guy seven if you will,
Speaker 2: exactly seven yards up heel.
Speaker 4: He's I keep hearing how he's a run blocking tight
Speaker 4: end and he's not a receiver.
Speaker 5: I think he's both.
Speaker 4: Every practice I see him make a good catch. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he's a rookie. I don't see why he won't
Speaker 4: get better and better in that area. And he's already
Speaker 4: talking to people who understand blocking far more than I do.
Speaker 3: He's already a high end blocker.
Speaker 4: So if he supplements that by being an average receiver,
Speaker 4: you've got a really good player there.
Speaker 2: That's important because here's the name we have not brought
Speaker 2: up in training camp. Chris Manhertz, who was here for
Speaker 2: two years and a powerful part of the running game,
Speaker 2: is now in Denver. So you're gonna need Breton Strange
Speaker 2: and Luke Ferrell, who by all accounts are really good
Speaker 2: blocking tight ends to be able to do some of that.
Speaker 5: Do you think they're gonna carry for no matter what?
Speaker 4: Yes, totally, And in this day and age, you almost
Speaker 4: have to because it does tight ends a disservice to
Speaker 4: call them all the same thing, Meaning you basically have
Speaker 4: Luke Farrow and Brittain Strange are your run tight ends,
Speaker 4: and Angerman Prince are your move tight ends.
Speaker 3: So teams keep two because you need a backup for
Speaker 3: each starter at that spot essentially, and.
Speaker 2: I think Strange has that ability to do both. I mean,
Speaker 2: we've seen him on the practice hurt make excellent catches,
Speaker 2: so it's not like he can't be that guy too.
Speaker 1: He's going to be one that'll be to see where
Speaker 1: he will be at the even the end of this season.
Speaker 1: Second year, third year, I think is going to be
Speaker 1: leaps and bounds just because of how quick he picks
Speaker 1: things up.
Speaker 4: He looks like a guy who could really be a
Speaker 4: monster next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, time to bloss him in this offense. Get used
Speaker 2: to what Doug wants to use with the tight ends.
Speaker 5: Doug gloves this tight end.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's go to defense for our next player, because
Speaker 1: we've been talking about him as well, when we talk
Speaker 1: about the fifty three, Yes, here Abdullah he was, his
Speaker 1: presence was felt, is what I will say. In game
Speaker 1: one he got a sack, which you know, you want
Speaker 1: to talk about the pass rush all day. Here's your guy.
Speaker 1: He's coming in. He's got the moves. Jeff Logerman and
Speaker 1: I were talking last week about he just feels like
Speaker 1: Abdula has the sense, right, He just he knows what
Speaker 1: he needs to do. He may not, you know, people
Speaker 1: say he's undersize whatever it is, but he finds a way.
Speaker 1: He's gonna make a movie. Fine, I'll do another move.
Speaker 1: Like he's just prepared in that way and has a
Speaker 1: way of finding being where he needs to be at
Speaker 1: any given time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll be talking about him later in the show. Ryan,
Speaker 4: So I want, I mean a great take that I
Speaker 4: had that I don't want to bring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, like the fifty six, here's the other thing.
Speaker 2: And look, the guy was a really good pass rusher
Speaker 2: at Louisville. Yeah, he played the run really well the
Speaker 2: other day too. You know, they had a guy around
Speaker 2: here for years named Unique and Gokway who was a
Speaker 2: terrific pass rusher. But he was two hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: pounds and when he had to stop the run, he
Speaker 2: was not a force. This guy is going to be
Speaker 2: a force. He's broad and he's strong, and he's built
Speaker 2: to play the run as well.
Speaker 1: I sure hope he does, because at the point, we
Speaker 1: need a pass rusher, and as we've discussed, that's a
Speaker 1: need that they have. So they need to build it
Speaker 1: from within because even at this point they haven't brought
Speaker 1: in yet.
Speaker 2: And he's not a liability. It's not like when he's
Speaker 2: on the field, you're gona go okay, we're going right there,
Speaker 2: not at all.
Speaker 5: I think it's great.
Speaker 1: Where else are We're gonna go okay, Now, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to the offensive line because you know, we have
Speaker 1: to represent Baker County as we do. It's it's tugboat
Speaker 1: time because not only do we personally like Cooper Hodges.
Speaker 1: He was out there for a good portion of this
Speaker 1: game and he looked good at points.
Speaker 2: And he set that up for Deornis Johnson.
Speaker 5: He did. He was he was all over the place.
Speaker 1: You can see him getting coached up by his fellow
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. And he's a big man, so when he
Speaker 1: sets a block and he's hustling there too, so tugboat
Speaker 1: does cartwheels.
Speaker 5: There's there's really little that this man can't do.
Speaker 1: John, When do you see him maybe making his way
Speaker 1: into the lineup on the offensive lines the next season?
Speaker 5: Maybe?
Speaker 4: Well, I would think next season. There's some guys Brian
Speaker 4: who as soon as they get drafted and as soon
Speaker 4: as they're here, you start hearing it in the water,
Speaker 4: meaning the people are talking about him. Hey, keep an
Speaker 4: eye on this guy, and the momentum sort of never stops.
Speaker 4: He was a guy the first couple of OTAs where
Speaker 4: you looked at and said, Okay, this is a big body.
Speaker 3: He can move behind it.
Speaker 4: He takes the right approach, He works in the locker room,
Speaker 4: he sort of gets it.
Speaker 3: He's a mature kid.
Speaker 4: You know. I know you're gonna talk about this later
Speaker 4: as well. Everything you hear and see. Ind case, he'll
Speaker 4: start next year without a doubt, you know. And we're
Speaker 4: jumping the shark on this one, but you know, your
Speaker 4: right guard, your five time Pro Bowl right guard, is
Speaker 4: a twenty four million dollar cap figure next year.
Speaker 2: So the Jaguars, you know, they need to be able
Speaker 2: to plug this kid in and have him be the
Speaker 2: long term fixture there. Maybe Sheriff has an amazing year
Speaker 2: and they decide to redo his deal. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but cap room is precious for this team going forward
Speaker 2: because of the quarterback. So you need Hodges to be
Speaker 2: that guy. It looks like he is. And on to
Speaker 2: your point, he's making the move from four years starting
Speaker 2: at right tackle to going inside. And you and I
Speaker 2: were standing on the practice field talking to Trent Bulky
Speaker 2: during OTAs and he came over and said that this
Speaker 2: is a guy who's good every tool, that everything you
Speaker 2: need mentally, physically, everything to be a long term starter
Speaker 2: at guard. But he's got to do the work well.
Speaker 2: Watching him pull, yeah, he's doing the work well. He
Speaker 2: looks good.
Speaker 4: And in this league you need you know, we all
Speaker 4: spend all off season talking about the twenty two. Well,
Speaker 4: once the season starts the twenty two, you need thirty five.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 4: And I think they're deep on the offensive line. They
Speaker 4: showed last year they were good depth, and I think
Speaker 4: they supplemented that and kept that same depth equation if
Speaker 4: you will. With Harris and for Taylor, I don't see
Speaker 4: seeing he reads by a week nine or ten if
Speaker 4: you have an injury. I don't It feels like he's
Speaker 4: moving toward a guy that they're not going to have
Speaker 4: a lot of angst if he would have to come
Speaker 4: into the lineup late this season.
Speaker 2: No, and you've seen instability at left guard right because
Speaker 2: Big BArch, who by the way, has just been elevated
Speaker 2: from the puplace today. He'll be practicing and maybe playing
Speaker 2: this week or next week against the Dolphins. So you've
Speaker 2: got submissibility with Tyler Shatley who's had the aphib issue
Speaker 2: and you're not sure you know when he's going to
Speaker 2: be able to come back. So Hodges is one of
Speaker 2: those guys that you know, if he's versatile, it can
Speaker 2: play the left side, could be active on game day
Speaker 2: as opposed to one of those scratches all season long.
Speaker 2: And I would suspect by the time we get to
Speaker 2: December he might be.
Speaker 4: And my guess is the decision makers feel much much
Speaker 4: better about that instability at guard knowing this kid's coming.
Speaker 2: He's making this roster. There's no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 5: There for sure.
Speaker 1: Elsewhere are we on to look, Let's do some pun
Speaker 1: returns because we saw Parker Washington out there decent amount
Speaker 1: obviously of agnew so he's on anywhere but Parker Washington
Speaker 1: is a good, viable option, and we've seen him return
Speaker 1: some kicks, return some punts, and work his way into
Speaker 1: the offense a little bit as well. But you have
Speaker 1: to imagine he's someone that they enjoy the versatility that
Speaker 1: he brings to the game.
Speaker 2: Two things. One, it takes courage to be a punt returner,
Speaker 2: and you just don't know how a guy is going
Speaker 2: to react in the NFL with all these guys bearing
Speaker 2: down on him. He had no problem with it. And second,
Speaker 2: watch him use his feet here to set up the defender.
Speaker 2: We've talked about how good his feet have looked through
Speaker 2: a training camp and he shows it right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's again a good piece to have if they
Speaker 4: need a backup punt returner. And he feels like a
Speaker 4: guy who is going to play his way by next
Speaker 4: year into mattering in the receiving.
Speaker 5: Group the mix for sure.
Speaker 4: He just seems too fundamentally sound, too quick in the
Speaker 4: right areas. I don't know if his high end is
Speaker 4: Christian Kirk someday he's built similarly, but but he certainly
Speaker 4: seems from an early early look like a guy who
Speaker 4: can produce in the NFL minimum at.
Speaker 2: A four or five. Kirk was the second round pick, right,
Speaker 2: and and you see how smooth he is, but he's
Speaker 2: he's this guy was drafted to be that guy, right,
Speaker 2: to be that slot receiver who uses his feet to
Speaker 2: gain separation in the middle of the field, and he'll
Speaker 2: have a role. And I mean again, I think he's
Speaker 2: on this roster. I think he's got one of the
Speaker 2: six receiver spots.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: From the first practice of ot AS when he was there,
Speaker 4: he's never looked lost, never, and that's encouraging and I
Speaker 4: needed it. Strange, you know, both from Penn State, but
Speaker 4: they both looked like they belonged.
Speaker 3: Very very quickly.
Speaker 4: U usually guys that look like that bare minimum contribute
Speaker 4: for you for a few years.
Speaker 3: That's what you went out of the draft.
Speaker 1: Yep, he's in my mind locked up the fifth spot
Speaker 1: on the wide receivers. And then I feel like the
Speaker 1: six spot is the one that's kind of up for
Speaker 1: grabs for people. And then finally we want to do
Speaker 1: Chris Braswell's interception, because we did talk about the defense
Speaker 1: and who needs to step up and kind of make
Speaker 1: themselves known because there isn't a ton of depth in
Speaker 1: the in the dB positions and and.
Speaker 5: This was good to see it.
Speaker 3: But they really really like this kid. Yeah, he's he's uh.
Speaker 4: I think Doug talked about him on on on the
Speaker 4: Zoom call this morning. His athleticism, he's and if Doug
Speaker 4: said this or not, but it struck you when Doug
Speaker 4: was talking, He's talking.
Speaker 3: About a kid who knows how to play football.
Speaker 4: Some guys are athletes and they and they're not natural players.
Speaker 4: This kid, everything you hear, he has great instincts. He
Speaker 4: can play. My sense is they think this guy, if
Speaker 4: not this year, next year, is going to factor into
Speaker 4: the five or six dvs are on the field.
Speaker 2: And it's important to note that that interception came in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter after he had two penalties, right, the
Speaker 2: one that took away the interception and another illegal contact.
Speaker 2: So he was having a rough day, but he hung
Speaker 2: in there, and that's what they want to see from
Speaker 2: these kids. Can you hang in there? Can you overcome that?
Speaker 2: And can you stay focused on the next play? As
Speaker 2: a cornerback, you know they talk about the island all
Speaker 2: the time. You're on that island, can you stay on it?
Speaker 2: And he did and made a great play and.
Speaker 4: He's still fighting through one of the first couple of
Speaker 4: days of camp, he pulled up on a deep route.
Speaker 4: He called that, Yeah, he was following somebody and it
Speaker 4: looked like a hammy. I'm assuming he was a hammy.
Speaker 4: So he's still sort of getting back to it. But again,
Speaker 4: I know, Brian, he's gonna talk about it later. A
Speaker 4: litany of rookies who were encouraging on Saturday, a lot.
Speaker 5: Of good stuff.
Speaker 1: We got our hot takes coming up after the break,
Speaker 1: the hottest of hot takes after we've seen preseason game one.
Speaker 5: So stay with us to find out what they are.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Jags Am. We're here in the Hyundai
Speaker 1: studios and we're gonna do hot takes. We got a
Speaker 1: little game action, we got to see a little bit
Speaker 1: of what the team might be bringing to the table.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna start off with hot takes. Brian, I
Speaker 1: will start with you today.
Speaker 2: I think this has a chance to be the best
Speaker 2: draft in Jaguars history. And here's why. Because I count
Speaker 2: John eight guys who legitimately by the end of next
Speaker 2: season could be starters, if not starters in the sense
Speaker 2: really key players, right, Anton Harrison will be a starter.
Speaker 2: I think Breton Strange is going to be a starter.
Speaker 2: Tank Bigsby I think could be a starter, if not
Speaker 2: a starter. He's one of those guys. He's gonna have
Speaker 2: a lot of right, Yeah, right, Jackson, Ventrel Miller, Parker Washington,
Speaker 2: Yasira Abdullah, Antonio Johnson, and I just added Christian Brasswell
Speaker 2: on your recommendation. So that's eight of thirteen guys that
Speaker 2: based on what we saw first two weeks of camp
Speaker 2: and how they pay it off in Dallas. You can
Speaker 2: look and go, yep, yep, yep, you could have eight
Speaker 2: starters out of one draft. You get that. That's a
Speaker 2: tremendous draft. That would be the most productive draft in
Speaker 2: Jaguars history.
Speaker 3: You have the best draft in Jaguars history.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: If he can trevor that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's why I changed from best to preduc Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's I agree.
Speaker 4: And even if all those guys didn't work out, because
Speaker 4: I think a couple of them Ventrel Miller. You wonder
Speaker 4: if with Lloyd and Muma inside there uh.
Speaker 2: Looked on as a twenty three million dollar cap figure.
Speaker 4: Coming up, right, But Lloyd and Muma could still well
Speaker 4: But you mean starter, right, And I don't have any
Speaker 4: doubt that everybody you mentioned will matter over the next
Speaker 4: two or three years, whether it's starter with Parker Washington,
Speaker 4: whether he's a starter, or or whether he's catching forty
Speaker 4: for six sixty or you feel very good if somebody's
Speaker 4: injured and he comes in, and that's what you need
Speaker 4: at a draft, becial when you have thirteen. Clearly that's
Speaker 4: what they wanted. They felt like they were not deep
Speaker 4: enough and if they needed to get talent in here
Speaker 4: for the next four years, there's a lot of confidence
Speaker 4: they did. Tyler Lacy, who you didn't mention. I don't
Speaker 4: know if he's ever a starter, right, be a role player,
Speaker 4: but you need eight or nine.
Speaker 2: Here's nine by Cooper Hodges. I forgot him on the list.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, there's I mean, this looks like the
Speaker 2: most productive draft. It's got to play out, obviously, but
Speaker 2: I would think by the end of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: you could look at this draft and say There's never
Speaker 2: been a draft that good. So hats off to Trent Bulky.
Speaker 3: And he didn't mention my guy. You see her.
Speaker 2: Abdula, Sure I did. Oh you did well?
Speaker 4: That was my takeaway, and it's a hot take because
Speaker 4: of this. I have no confidence in most rookies to
Speaker 4: give you anything that will help you be a better
Speaker 4: team in your rookie year. And I'm exaggerating that. I've
Speaker 4: just seen so much where their learning and then the
Speaker 4: next year they're just really good. This kid might be
Speaker 4: able to give them some pass rush and some impact.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to.
Speaker 4: Start, but you need three or four guys who in
Speaker 4: your packages can affect the quarterback. He was playing against
Speaker 4: second team the other night. But as logs Is said,
Speaker 4: often there's a natural element to that sometimes, and this
Speaker 4: kid seems to have it. They knew in Indianapolis when
Speaker 4: I was covering them that Robert Mathis, a fifth round
Speaker 4: draft pick, had three and a half sacks as a
Speaker 4: rookie in his second year. They all said, this kid
Speaker 4: is going to be a pro bowler someday. And I
Speaker 4: don't want to compare the du a bit of Mathis
Speaker 4: because Mathis might go in the Hall someday, but there's
Speaker 4: an element there of a young kid who bare minimum
Speaker 4: can affect the pocket this.
Speaker 2: Year, from the moment he stepped on the practice field,
Speaker 2: you knew he belonged absolutely, And then that's high pricks,
Speaker 2: especially from veteran football players. But talking to these guys,
Speaker 2: they have all said that he belongs.
Speaker 1: It's cool because now that we've entered that point of
Speaker 1: where you have your base of your team already set,
Speaker 1: they're drafting to develop as the term goes. But that
Speaker 1: means you come in and you have a specific role
Speaker 1: to fill. You're not coming in trying to be, you know,
Speaker 1: dealing with what Trevor had to deal with him coming
Speaker 1: in and being the man immediately. Not everybody can do
Speaker 1: that or thrives in that environment. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of these people where Tanks coming in, he's going to
Speaker 1: work with Travis. He's not just the guy we see
Speaker 1: Brenton come in. He gets to learn from a great
Speaker 1: tight end room. Anton Harrison has a loaded offensive line
Speaker 1: that he's working with to help him every single day,
Speaker 1: and he'll have a little more time to maybe get
Speaker 1: up to size. I mean, he's a huge person to
Speaker 1: be in with, so I say, get up to size,
Speaker 1: but put on a little more bulk and then by
Speaker 1: the time you know, second third year, he's going to
Speaker 1: be even better.
Speaker 4: So there have been way too many years where everybody
Speaker 4: you mentioned Brian would have been starting.
Speaker 5: And that's not the best development for a lot of people.
Speaker 5: It really isn't.
Speaker 1: So to be able to have that luxury at this
Speaker 1: point point that really sets the team up to be
Speaker 1: successful for many, many years to come, which is what
Speaker 1: we want to talk about, where it's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: team is not just going to be a one and
Speaker 1: done situation. It's like we are building this to be
Speaker 1: good for a very long time.
Speaker 2: And just one more noteal quick. You mentioned Tyler Lacy
Speaker 2: has a chance to play well. I talked to him
Speaker 2: last week coming off the practice field. He looks gassed.
Speaker 2: I don't whether he noticed it every day off the
Speaker 2: practice field gassed. He's from Texas, Oklahoma State. I said,
Speaker 2: it can't be the heat. He said no, he said,
Speaker 2: I want to prove every play that I belong. I
Speaker 2: feel like every play I have to find a way
Speaker 2: to stay well. It's that kind of attitude, that kind
Speaker 2: of approach gets your places.
Speaker 4: He's a rare guy. And sow Is Hodges in the
Speaker 4: sense that usually with rookie lineman and Anton Harrison fits
Speaker 4: this a little bit. You can see where Anton in
Speaker 4: a year in the weight room is going to look
Speaker 4: more like Juwan Taylor did when he left and really
Speaker 4: be one of the top offensive tab He's gonna be good.
Speaker 4: But once he gets size and strength, his man's strength,
Speaker 4: so to speak, he'll take you to a next level.
Speaker 4: Look at Hodges and Lacey physically, they already look there
Speaker 4: and most rookies don't look that way. So that's gonna
Speaker 4: be interesting to watch these young linemen they brought in.
Speaker 1: You guys went with the young guys. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with someone a veteran presence on this team, going with
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk.
Speaker 5: That's my hot take. It's he is the lynch pin
Speaker 5: for this offense. And I know we talk.
Speaker 1: A ton about what Calvin is going to bring to
Speaker 1: this team and Trevor's.
Speaker 5: Development, all the other core that he has around him.
Speaker 1: This ship is this is going to be successful if
Speaker 1: as far as Christian Kirk can take it, because he
Speaker 1: has become the person that Trevor trusts and he goes
Speaker 1: to and feels he can throw it to no matter what.
Speaker 1: And it's similar when we talked a little bit about
Speaker 1: the Patriots earlier, how I felt Brady really worked with
Speaker 1: Welker and then Edelman later on in his career. Yes,
Speaker 1: he throws to Randy Moss who's got twenty plus touchdowns,
Speaker 1: but Welker had the most targets and the most yards
Speaker 1: in a lot of those seasons where they played together
Speaker 1: because that was his safety guy. He knew, he trusted everything,
Speaker 1: He knew everything about the mannerisms for Tom Brady. And
Speaker 1: I feel like Christian Kirk has worked so much with
Speaker 1: Trevor that he's really getting to that point where he
Speaker 1: knows he can be where he needs to be. He
Speaker 1: knows what Trevor's mannerisms are, where he prefers what he prefers,
Speaker 1: And when you have that type of relationship with your quarterback,
Speaker 1: that is invaluable, especially when you know people are doubling
Speaker 1: up Calvin or that opens up the field for everybody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more. I think Christian's number one on
Speaker 4: that list. It will probably take him a little while
Speaker 4: to get it with Ridley because there just has to
Speaker 4: be some game stuff where you just trust what's going
Speaker 4: to be there. But I have no doubt watching Calvin
Speaker 4: it's going to be there. The intriguing thing is, you
Speaker 4: do feel like Trevor right now has at least four
Speaker 4: guys who are primary weapons who can beat single coverage,
Speaker 4: who he's completely comfortable throwing to. Jimmy and Keenan still
Speaker 4: remain the best two wide receivers tandem in franchise history.
Speaker 4: They didn't have three and four like this. This is
Speaker 4: this is this is intriguing.
Speaker 2: I wasn't all that Christian Kirk was the guy who
Speaker 2: got free as Trevor was so patient in the pocket
Speaker 2: and made that beautiful throw. I would agree that he
Speaker 2: is one A. In terms of connection, I would say
Speaker 2: Evan Ingram is one bee. I mean just a hair
Speaker 2: behind him. Watching them on the practice field and the
Speaker 2: way that they work. So he's got guys that he
Speaker 2: has connections within Zay, but he got Zay in the
Speaker 2: back of the end zone too. He won't take long
Speaker 2: on Ridley. That's what makes me so optimistic. And I
Speaker 2: even think about an interception. The relationship he has with
Speaker 2: these guys, the connection he has with these guys, find
Speaker 2: another quarterback in the league, maybe outside of my homes,
Speaker 2: maybe Burrow in Cincinnati that has this many targets that
Speaker 2: he's connected to so strongly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned Za, and I know we'll get out
Speaker 4: of this segment. To me, Zay's had the quietest, really
Speaker 4: really solid camp going every day. When I look at
Speaker 4: my notes, he's had two or three catches fifteen to
Speaker 4: twenty yards. The trust there a donut, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know if you have a yards and he'll have
Speaker 4: ten touchdowns. What you know about Zay, He'll have at
Speaker 4: least five catches that you remember at the end of
Speaker 4: the season for touchdowns where you say, Okay, that got
Speaker 4: him the game, and he had about that.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of.
Speaker 3: Weapons that matter that make you better on offense.
Speaker 5: Can't wait to see.
Speaker 1: It all come together, all right, say with us, we're
Speaker 1: gonna preview what we got going on the rest of
Speaker 1: the week. We had to Detroit and let you know
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Speaker 1: For fans, and we talked a little bit about that
Speaker 1: Nathan Rourke play. You know, he's falling down, he gets
Speaker 1: the touchdown. They played it in the stadium for his
Speaker 1: old team during their game. Of course, his teammates where
Speaker 1: he played in the CFL last season, and then obviously
Speaker 1: they were very excited to see their teammate doing so
Speaker 1: well here in pre season and hopefully making a name
Speaker 1: for himself.
Speaker 5: But pretty cool to see there.
Speaker 1: And hopefully we'll see a little bit more of work
Speaker 1: when we head to Detroit this week because we're doing
Speaker 1: joint practice for the couple days this week and then
Speaker 1: they're playing the Lions on Saturday. So what do you
Speaker 1: guys enjoy most about kind of joint practice? Is it
Speaker 1: just seeing new people, seeing your team go up against
Speaker 1: some different players.
Speaker 2: I like validating opinions, right, I mean, because you can
Speaker 2: see Calvin Ridley line up against I don't choose a
Speaker 2: young cornerback and think, well, Calvin really is having the
Speaker 2: best camp possible. Right now, You're gonna go line up
Speaker 2: against the ones in Detroit. Okay, let's see you do it.
Speaker 5: What's going to look like?
Speaker 2: I fully anticipate that he will, but it validates opinions.
Speaker 2: If Gregory Junior goes up and has a big day
Speaker 2: on the practice field. Yep, okay, he's making the progress.
Speaker 4: And it's a week where the reps between ones during
Speaker 4: practice a matter is my which is what the fans
Speaker 4: will see during the game. Like there's a chance some
Speaker 4: starters may play less on Saturday because of the because
Speaker 4: they feel like they've got the reps.
Speaker 3: And Doug alluded to it a little bit.
Speaker 4: I don't put words in his mouth, but that there
Speaker 4: could be some younger guys, the greg junior level player
Speaker 4: who's not necessarily a starter, who they could want to
Speaker 4: get reps against ones to give them that experience. This
Speaker 4: is the meat time of this process.
Speaker 2: So Bucky and I get to sit with the coach
Speaker 2: and some players the night before the game as we're
Speaker 2: doing our preseason production meetings, and we had a long
Speaker 2: conversation with Doug about the value of these matchups, and
Speaker 2: he said that every rep on the practice field is
Speaker 2: as valuable as any rep in a game in the preseason.
Speaker 1: That's saying something I think it is and I think
Speaker 1: we'll see a lot of that, and it's just exciting
Speaker 1: to see the competitive nature of it. You know, you're
Speaker 1: not going against your own team, so it'll a lit'll
Speaker 1: be a little bit different out there. We're going to
Speaker 1: be live for jags AM on Wednesday and Thursday at
Speaker 1: Detroit's training camp and hopefully a little bit cooler there,
Speaker 1: so we'll be outside and.
Speaker 2: A lot cooler there.
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to. Please join us on Wednesday and Thursday.
Speaker 5: We will see you then.
Speaker 1: As for until then, have a good one.