Speaker 1: Now really, really.
Speaker 2: Now really hello, and welcome to Really Know Really with
Speaker 2: Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who remind you to.
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Speaker 2: And that my dear listeners, was a somewhat stereotypical example
Speaker 2: of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder or ADHD, a medical condition
Speaker 2: with symptoms that include difficulty focusing and staying on task,
Speaker 2: the inability to sit still, and various.
Speaker 1: Self control issues.
Speaker 2: Worldwide, over three hundred and thirty six million people live
Speaker 2: with ADHD, including our very own Peter Tilden. Many view
Speaker 2: it as a daily burden that makes simple tasks difficult
Speaker 2: and anxiety ridden, and personal interactions often challenging, but not
Speaker 2: today's guests. Kim and Penn Holderness are best selling authors,
Speaker 2: and their most recent book is ADHD Is Awesome, A
Speaker 2: Guide to Most Sleep Thriving with ADHD, Really No Really.
Speaker 2: In this episode, they discussed diagnosing ADHD, medication choices, and
Speaker 2: their own experiences successfully navigating the world while dealing with
Speaker 2: this condition, concluding how they won the Amazing Race and
Speaker 2: how they created award winning videos which have garnered over
Speaker 2: two billion views and over eight million followers, and now
Speaker 2: with nowhere near those numbers, here's Jason and Peter.
Speaker 3: Don't tell me you have attention to disorder. You spotted that,
Speaker 3: Just do that. I work at it all right, So
Speaker 3: this is a good place to start. This studio must
Speaker 3: make you crazy, because honestly, to sit here and do
Speaker 3: the show, I'm distracted. We've got two three for five cameras,
Speaker 3: We've got people that we see so last.
Speaker 1: We only pay for Yeah, we got papers, we got things.
Speaker 1: There's the fact.
Speaker 4: How do you The hardest thing for me, I'll break
Speaker 4: the wall is not doing this because I've interviewed people
Speaker 4: for years. What break in the wall is is that
Speaker 4: we have four shut We do multiple shows in a day.
Speaker 1: Changing my head to not have.
Speaker 4: All that noise inside about the other shows, you know,
Speaker 4: and be able to focus on this. I try and
Speaker 4: then go, Okay, we got the wholeness. I'll give an
Speaker 4: example of this. The whole news families come in and
Speaker 4: I start to agonize about how do I present the
Speaker 4: really no really, So I got to get in my
Speaker 4: head there really no really is that? Emir, who's our publicist,
Speaker 4: and more alerted me to this family because they wrote
Speaker 4: and I have ADHD. They wrote a book and have
Speaker 4: done videos on ADHD. Is awesome, and I go, really,
Speaker 4: so if you have ADHD, and I got some stats
Speaker 4: that over three hundred million people, I think it's three
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty six million people have ADHD.
Speaker 1: That's the entire United States.
Speaker 4: No, that's worldwide as of twenty twenty. I don't know
Speaker 4: I've had this discussion before. It's because we were more aware.
Speaker 4: So there's more or diagnoses, but there are a lot
Speaker 4: of people who go undiagnosed, kids who don't have parents
Speaker 4: enough money who can't get them diagnosed. Around six and
Speaker 4: ten children with ADHD also have at least one other
Speaker 4: mental emotional or behavior condition. Now you know which anxiety depression.
Speaker 4: I suffer from some depression of anxiety, although it's not crippling.
Speaker 4: I was on a drug for ADHD that I stopped
Speaker 4: taking because because I wanted to come clean on everything,
Speaker 4: but it helped me for years on radio.
Speaker 3: But here's just so people understand when we say ADHD.
Speaker 3: These are the things, Peter. I'm going to read a list,
Speaker 3: Peter has I'm going to say ninety of this list has.
Speaker 1: Trouble laughing, and that's horrible.
Speaker 3: Right, has trouble listening and paying attention to me needs
Speaker 3: lots of reminders to do things I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. You don't know. I'm really I've ever been
Speaker 1: later forgotten something that I don't have.
Speaker 3: All right, I'll take that out. Gets distracted easily, absent money.
Speaker 3: You don't seem absent it to me. If anything you're
Speaker 3: you're I remember you remember a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: disorganized and lose things. I don't think that's true of
Speaker 3: you either. No, you know you might not have ADHD.
Speaker 3: You can't sit still wait their turner, be patient.
Speaker 1: Bang bing bing bing bang bang bang. Things like that's
Speaker 1: a big one.
Speaker 3: Rush through homework and other tasks and make careless mistakes.
Speaker 4: No, but I do rush. I want to get through it. Well,
Speaker 4: that's that's I have nothing.
Speaker 3: I have no letters attached to a diagnosis of anything
Speaker 3: in my life, and I rush through things to interrupt
Speaker 3: a lot and talk or call out answers in class.
Speaker 4: This is about students. But yes, but in class, Hey,
Speaker 4: I wanted to hot. So that was what everybody wants
Speaker 4: to do?
Speaker 3: Do things they should so impulse control doing things they
Speaker 3: know they shouldn't even you know.
Speaker 4: How much do I say, hey, we should do this,
Speaker 4: we should do that to avoid having to sit.
Speaker 3: Yes, gets upset, easily, restless, fidgety, frustrating, s c r O.
Speaker 1: There's a body part of you always always have been
Speaker 1: moving going. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Interesting, it's it's it's seriously, what is interesting to me
Speaker 3: is very little at any given moment. Sure, I can
Speaker 3: be absent minded, or I can get distracted, or I
Speaker 3: can need reminders to do it. But it's not a
Speaker 3: chronic condition. So most of this feels like a little
Speaker 3: alien to me.
Speaker 4: Now I understand why the late night hosts, some of
Speaker 4: them are a bit crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because doing it every it never ends. You're like
Speaker 1: Larry David. Larry David, I would always I thought he
Speaker 1: was doing a bit. He was not doing a bit.
Speaker 3: But you know, by the time we started shooting a
Speaker 3: season of the show, they basically had twenty two episodes
Speaker 3: at least worked out, thought through, you know, if not outlined,
Speaker 3: at least thought through. Here's our major storyline, here's what
Speaker 3: we're going to tackle. But and and by season four,
Speaker 3: we're a hitch after every episode. As we were filming
Speaker 3: we go, that's a wrap. On episode four oh four,
Speaker 3: Larry David would cry out into the into the void, it.
Speaker 1: Can't be done again. It's impossible. No one can do this.
Speaker 3: And I'm going, you've been doing it for four years.
Speaker 3: You kind of know what we're doing next week?
Speaker 1: Could you really be this crazed about?
Speaker 3: And I've come to believe absolutely, you know, for him,
Speaker 3: he did not think. He felt he had set an
Speaker 3: impossible bar. I understand that and that it just you know,
Speaker 3: and Jerry would be right. But they create together, side
Speaker 3: by side, holding hands. Jerry would be like, that's fine.
Speaker 3: Why do you have to be something? And I was
Speaker 3: like that too, Sure, sure, well it is a superpower
Speaker 3: because look at let him in success, look at your success. Apparently,
Speaker 3: So let's let's let's bring meet these people who feel
Speaker 3: that what you have a super Clark then stuff is.
Speaker 3: So let's say hello to our guests that have now
Speaker 3: joined us in studio one, two, three, Hello, we have
Speaker 3: the holder in this family. Penn and Kim have joined
Speaker 3: us here in studio looking so much better than most people.
Speaker 3: I'll stop there looking so much better than most people.
Speaker 5: I am coming here on my on my down days.
Speaker 5: This is my first stop, my ego. I'm like so
Speaker 5: full right now. This is amazing this The two of.
Speaker 4: You look like fitness models. They also they also did
Speaker 4: something we could not do. Well, maybe you could do it.
Speaker 3: They won the amazing right, I could not do that
Speaker 3: for reasons that have nothing to do with your.
Speaker 5: Could you You've talked lovingly about your wife and the
Speaker 5: connection you have.
Speaker 6: You guys would be amazing, amazing.
Speaker 3: Let me just tell you. Let me just tell you
Speaker 3: how wrong that would be. We'd be in the car,
Speaker 3: my wife. We we we flip gender stereotypes. Okay, I
Speaker 3: pull out of the driveway, I go, let's that's directions,
Speaker 3: and she.
Speaker 1: And we have to go north. That's north. We'll get there.
Speaker 1: We'll get there, And I go, would.
Speaker 6: It kill us to find this is great TV? Though
Speaker 6: it doesn't may not get there first.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what happens to us in real life.
Speaker 7: But then when there's one hundred a million dollars are
Speaker 7: on the line and everyone's filming, you and you just
Speaker 7: agree not to yell at each other. You let someone
Speaker 7: be the navigator and someone the driver. It sounds like
Speaker 7: you guys would be perfect.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't like heights. Oh yeah, I'm not
Speaker 3: a heights person. Yep, I enjoy frequent bathroom stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, things like that. Yeah, I'm just not cut out.
Speaker 1: And if I may million, I just threw up. I
Speaker 1: will say there's been a lot of Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, if someone says I'll give you a million dollars,
Speaker 3: walk on that two inch board and now I don't
Speaker 3: need a million dollars as opposed to you, I read.
Speaker 5: Hot cold, Well, I will say we did, we are.
Speaker 5: We were just huge fans of the show as a family.
Speaker 5: So it's one of those things that you know, for
Speaker 5: some people, if Survivor was an option, they would go on.
Speaker 6: For us, it was the amazing race.
Speaker 3: So yeah, are my cousin who did Survivor many times
Speaker 3: many and I I but because I.
Speaker 1: Know you probably can't talk about it now the sausage
Speaker 1: is made.
Speaker 3: There are many things about reality, very real, and so.
Speaker 1: I wish I wish that.
Speaker 7: I wish they would lift the veil in that some too,
Speaker 7: And some of it's even kind of fascinating, like the
Speaker 7: photographers are in better shape than we are.
Speaker 1: Like there until a few.
Speaker 7: Years ago, they were carrying like those old news cameras,
Speaker 7: those giant news cameras running backwards at the same speed
Speaker 7: we were running forward.
Speaker 4: I'm curious with your amazing race and then we can
Speaker 4: move on to the awesomeness that is HD. Did you
Speaker 4: are you the kind of couple right in the beginnings
Speaker 4: that we're going to win this and you never wavered
Speaker 4: on that or did you just were you just in
Speaker 4: it and kind of navigating it each day going oh
Speaker 4: my god, we should drop out, Oh my god, they're
Speaker 4: going to win it.
Speaker 1: Well, we're competitive as hell. I think that.
Speaker 7: Outwardly, we told each other we're going to go there
Speaker 7: and have a great time and not let it bother
Speaker 7: us if we don't win. It's really about the experience
Speaker 7: and about you know, learning.
Speaker 5: It would be a fund story to tell your grandkids.
Speaker 5: I was on the amazing race.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Inwardly, do you want to take that one?
Speaker 5: Well, I have suffered from anxiety depression, so and also
Speaker 5: I'm very competitive, so when we didn't do well, I
Speaker 5: would get really pissed. So so inwardly I thought we
Speaker 5: could win, but I outwardly never said it.
Speaker 1: It's an amazing, amazing thing to do. When they showed up,
Speaker 1: did the other teams go, oh god, damn it around.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're the oldest combined couple. Uh else everybody else do?
Speaker 7: They were shredded. They were in their younger twenties, and
Speaker 7: they looked like they had just worked out for eight
Speaker 7: straight years just to Yeah, so we were Is.
Speaker 3: That is Is that sort of being in top physical
Speaker 3: shape a real boost on that show or is it?
Speaker 5: I think it was like a strategy, Yeah it is.
Speaker 5: I mean I think we won because we knew how
Speaker 5: to read a map. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so just
Speaker 5: being a little older help.
Speaker 3: Which, by the way, that's a big thing. I don't
Speaker 3: think my children can read them.
Speaker 1: More people had ever used a map like the twenty somethings.
Speaker 1: They don't have to.
Speaker 7: They have phones, right, and normally the show doesn't require
Speaker 7: too much self driving. But we stopped after the third
Speaker 7: episode because we were in Scotland as COVID was making
Speaker 7: its way over to the United States, and so we
Speaker 7: flew home. I think we brought COVID with us and
Speaker 7: you're welcome, but we said we sat in our rooms.
Speaker 7: And then eighteen months later they came back and found
Speaker 7: a way to restart the race, but they couldn't put
Speaker 7: us on any public transportation. Because it was still sure
Speaker 7: like it was almost all self driving, which they don't
Speaker 7: normally do. And for that reason, we're old. We've read maps. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and it made a difference.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 6: I know that this podcast is not about reality TV.
Speaker 1: She just gave me the okay. That means I've been
Speaker 1: talking a little bit too. If you did you notice
Speaker 1: solve the book.
Speaker 3: Among other things that we talked about winning the amazing race.
Speaker 3: But you guys, I here some co authored ADHD is Awesome.
Speaker 3: A Guide to Mostly Thriving with ADHD, which was an
Speaker 3: instant New York Times bestseller came out last April. And
Speaker 3: this this is your area, this is this is ADHD
Speaker 3: is where do I sign up? I mean, just so
Speaker 3: I understand the world that we're going to be talking about.
Speaker 3: I could have asked this of Peter, but I'm not
Speaker 3: sure he knows the answer. What's the difference between a
Speaker 3: d h D and a d D. Is there a difference?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 7: Uh, well, a d D is attention deficit disorder. ADHD
Speaker 7: is attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. But there's three different types
Speaker 7: of ad whatever. There's inattentive, there's impulsive, and there's a
Speaker 7: combination of the two, right, hyperactive, impulsive, and a combination
Speaker 7: of the two. So what happened was I think they
Speaker 7: made ADHD to catch all term for everything.
Speaker 1: I'm a combination.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of people who are just in intentive
Speaker 7: and they would call themselves add But I think it
Speaker 7: got to the point where doctors were talking about it
Speaker 7: so much and it was becoming a buzzword that they
Speaker 7: just let it go and said it's ah.
Speaker 3: It's an umbrella term, so we could effectively just lump
Speaker 3: it all into ADHD.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, great, so now I understand where we are. Well,
Speaker 1: the name sucks, so I'm glad that you brought it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a bad stake and it's a negative, and
Speaker 4: I know that's for me. Like I said, I couldn't
Speaker 4: wait for you guys to come in because ADHD is awesome?
Speaker 1: Is f you okay? Because I fought with this my
Speaker 1: entire line?
Speaker 4: And then I read about athletes who it's a superpower
Speaker 4: for them because they can singularly focus on stuff. Talk
Speaker 4: about your diagnosis. Look, give us the backstory on how
Speaker 4: you find out how it impacts you, so we can
Speaker 4: get some insight on how you got to the awesomeness
Speaker 4: of something negative.
Speaker 7: Well, as a kid, I had some of the same
Speaker 7: issues that you did. I tapped my feet a lot.
Speaker 7: I shredded every single napkin I ever had in my hand.
Speaker 7: When I was trying to eat, had a ring of
Speaker 7: Everyone thought it was sweat, but I would chew on
Speaker 7: my collar. These are all ways that you deal with
Speaker 7: trying to stave off distractions. Actually, like those, these like takes.
Speaker 6: It's a way to regulate.
Speaker 1: Actually, so I had I would it's saliva.
Speaker 7: I would shoe on my shirt and I have a
Speaker 7: ring of saliva all the way around like this.
Speaker 1: As I was a kid.
Speaker 7: On top of that, as I'm sure you know, it's
Speaker 7: it's not like, okay, you do you, it's what's wrong
Speaker 7: with you? Like you're you're a total weirdo. You are
Speaker 7: a freak. You are different. You're you're saying things that
Speaker 7: are coming to the top of your head that make
Speaker 7: no sense. You can't make it to the end of conversations,
Speaker 7: can't sit still. And so while I think I was
Speaker 7: a fairly highly functioning person mentally, academically and all those
Speaker 7: other things, socially, it was difficult. I got really upset,
Speaker 7: very easily. So there's an emotional regulation part of it
Speaker 7: as well. And I would cry at the drop of
Speaker 7: a hat, and most people learn how to deal with
Speaker 7: that and put it away, like when they get to
Speaker 7: middle school. I had trouble with it in high school.
Speaker 7: So I knew that there was something wrong with me.
Speaker 7: But I'm not sure what age you are. You might
Speaker 7: be younger, older than me. But they didn't have It
Speaker 7: wasn't a thing. It wasn't a diagnosable thing until I
Speaker 7: got to college. And that's when I got diagnosed. And
Speaker 7: it felt good to hear that there was an explanation
Speaker 7: for what was going on, but it felt really bad
Speaker 7: to hear the name. It was three negative words in
Speaker 7: one name. And I always think about, like what a
Speaker 7: kid feels like when they're eight years old, and someone says,
Speaker 7: deficit hyperactivity, which we covered, is not even necessarily true disorder,
Speaker 7: And so I found a way to get around it.
Speaker 7: Medication was my answer for about a year, got me
Speaker 7: through college, graduated from college because of the medication, and
Speaker 7: then luckily found people who I think I regulated a
Speaker 7: little better when I got older. I also found people
Speaker 7: who understood and were accepting of the person that I was,
Speaker 7: and I found a job that is perfect for ADHD,
Speaker 7: which is local news where you have eight seconds to
Speaker 7: keep people from getting bored to death, a lot like
Speaker 7: the entertainment business.
Speaker 1: It saved me, Yeah, it really saved me.
Speaker 3: How much do you think because you talked about the
Speaker 3: medication was beneficial for a year and then that you
Speaker 3: could lean off of it. I know people in my
Speaker 3: life who have both anxiety and depression situations and some
Speaker 3: degree of I don't think quite as pronounced as perhaps
Speaker 3: what you were dealing with. But do you think that
Speaker 3: hormonal changes as you go through different ages either helps
Speaker 3: or compounds this condition?
Speaker 7: So the theory is, and this is just scientific studies. Obviously,
Speaker 7: when you get older and you get hormones and you maturey,
Speaker 7: I think it's more about getting older and your executive
Speaker 7: functioning catching up. Like scientifically, your executive functioning doesn't fully
Speaker 7: develop until you're twenty five, but certain parts of it,
Speaker 7: you know, kind of slowly make their way there. It's
Speaker 7: just our pre federal cortex is smaller. I know, I'm
Speaker 7: not a scientist, but I've heard this from other people.
Speaker 7: So we just developed later, and it can feel like
Speaker 7: when you're the parent of a child or the friend
Speaker 7: of someone that there's just something wrong with them because
Speaker 7: they're you know that maybe that it doesn't even exist,
Speaker 7: this ability, when in fact, it just takes a little
Speaker 7: bit longer. So I think, I know, I'm not really
Speaker 7: answering your question because I'm not sure about hormones, but
Speaker 7: I do know that all of these things come later,
Speaker 7: but the hormones come on time, and so then that
Speaker 7: leads to a lot of emotional dysregulation, right, Like you
Speaker 7: get I got furious just because of my inability to
Speaker 7: regulate my emotions when I was younger, and luckily I
Speaker 7: found a way to take it out without like hitting someone,
Speaker 7: but I would get so mad I couldn't even stand it.
Speaker 7: And I'm sure that was the infusion of hormones without
Speaker 7: the ability to regulate.
Speaker 3: So you know what it sounds like when one of
Speaker 3: my kids, when he was younger, had some of these
Speaker 3: is I mean, I don't know that we would have
Speaker 3: necessarily categorized it like this, but there was a book
Speaker 3: that we read that was very helpful called The Highly Intelligent,
Speaker 3: Easily Frustrated Child, and it always and what struck me
Speaker 3: about that is at the time the indication was my
Speaker 3: child was brilliant. Now he is brilliant. But it seems
Speaker 3: to me like a lot of the younger kids I
Speaker 3: meet that have some of this condition are actually really bright.
Speaker 3: Their minds are very sharp, and whether it's academically sharp
Speaker 3: or observationally sharp, or they see the patterns and things
Speaker 3: almost like to the wild extent a rain Man kind
Speaker 3: of thing, who could look at the dropped matches and going,
Speaker 3: you know, two hundred and eighty six. But do you
Speaker 3: find that that was part of your experience as well?
Speaker 3: And is it generally considered part of dealing with this condition.
Speaker 7: So one of the best things about ADHD is if
Speaker 7: you think of your your executive functioner, it's like your CEO, right,
Speaker 7: it's your part of the brain that's your CEO, and
Speaker 7: it decides what to take in. And one of the
Speaker 7: reasons we're so distracted is because we take in everything
Speaker 7: we take in. We have more attention than other people.
Speaker 7: That's why it's the worst name.
Speaker 1: Ever.
Speaker 7: We don't know where to focus it or how to
Speaker 7: manage that attention. But because of that, I've always felt
Speaker 7: very creative because of all of these things I'm taking
Speaker 7: in and how much input and how much we're processing,
Speaker 7: maybe even compared to the neurotypical brain. Just turning it
Speaker 7: around and getting it back out of your mouth or
Speaker 7: a piece of paper can be challenging. But I mean,
Speaker 7: I felt, definitely have felt the same way that like
Speaker 7: every ADHD person that I've spoken to, seems to be
Speaker 7: moving at this unbelievable pace that speaks intelligence to me.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny that you say, I've never
Speaker 1: really talked about.
Speaker 4: It except Peter, by the way, I just take yeah,
Speaker 4: I love you, okay, not when you you did call it.
Speaker 4: I do feel like I'm taking in tons of information
Speaker 4: all the time, and I'm juggling forty of those things
Speaker 4: at any given time. And my wife knows to say,
Speaker 4: did you hear the story about? And I go, yeah,
Speaker 4: and what's that about? And I'll tell her And it's
Speaker 4: not because I want to know it, it's because I
Speaker 4: can't not know. It's really do you have that same
Speaker 4: thing where you have to know when you see stuff,
Speaker 4: you have to know what it's about?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do.
Speaker 7: And I'm so so lucky to have a wife who
Speaker 7: understands that this is how my brain works. And a
Speaker 7: lot of it had to do with the book that
Speaker 7: we wrote, that we understood because she could be saying
Speaker 7: something really important to me while I'm curious about these things,
Speaker 7: and it would because I have to know about this.
Speaker 7: Whatever she just said never entered any part of my
Speaker 7: working memory. So I want to thank you welcome and
Speaker 7: ask if you'd like to chime in on this a
Speaker 7: little bit.
Speaker 4: Does he also do this? My wife's working we both
Speaker 4: work from home. She's an editor and stuff. I will
Speaker 4: tell her something important that's apropos or linked to nothing
Speaker 4: else in the world, so she's used to getting these
Speaker 4: disparate pieces of information that are fascinating, but does be unrelated.
Speaker 1: Does he do that?
Speaker 6: One hundred percent?
Speaker 5: What I love about him is he is a very
Speaker 5: naturally curious person. But the curiosity just doesn't have a boundary.
Speaker 5: So he's going to he walked into your studio space here,
Speaker 5: and he wants to see and touch and feel everything,
Speaker 5: which is a great energy to have. But at some
Speaker 5: point it's like time to go to bed, dude, Like,
Speaker 5: let's let's wrap it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you don't have it.
Speaker 5: I do not know, so I have my own bag
Speaker 5: of tricks. So when you're talking about the hormones part
Speaker 5: so famously underdiagnosed or the highly intelligent. So if your
Speaker 5: son was highly intelligent, they don't get diagnosed because they're
Speaker 5: not problems right and academically.
Speaker 6: And women and people of color also get underdiagnosed.
Speaker 5: But the issue with women is because our hormones are
Speaker 5: so much more fierce, and it happened very different periods
Speaker 5: in our lives. It is exacerbated, so your anxiety and depression.
Speaker 5: If you if you're going through perimenopause, it's like you
Speaker 5: put a blowtorch on it, adhd. If you're a woman
Speaker 5: and you're going through puberty, you've just had a baby,
Speaker 5: menopause like you, it's it's a struggle.
Speaker 6: It's it's super duper hard.
Speaker 1: What about meds for you? I think I know the answer.
Speaker 1: I took, dude. It's called dexidron.
Speaker 7: That's like a diet pill, and I love, but honestly,
Speaker 7: I wonder if it wasn't dexadrin because I lost a
Speaker 7: ton of I lost weight. I didn't want to. I
Speaker 7: don't want to lose weight, and especially in college, but
Speaker 7: uh it it got me through college. I had Oh
Speaker 7: I mixed it with alcohol. That's stupid.
Speaker 1: A little bit that everything was with a mixer.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, he chased it amazing in college, so I
Speaker 7: don't I'm sure I should never recommend that to anyone
Speaker 7: ever in history.
Speaker 1: But I was able to graduate.
Speaker 7: I think the biggest thing that I noticed was that
Speaker 7: I I didn't feel like personally, I did not feel
Speaker 7: like my self. I was getting all of these tasks done,
Speaker 7: but the core of who I was, and this is
Speaker 7: just me, was was that CEO that let everything in,
Speaker 7: that allowed all of these ideas to come to him
Speaker 7: and was okay if sometimes I got a little bit
Speaker 7: sad because also I would get like this brain that
Speaker 7: I have when you let everything in. Like when I
Speaker 7: was on my way to come see you guys, I
Speaker 7: looked I had I had an exit row seat, and
Speaker 7: it had I had all. I had no chair in
Speaker 7: front of me, so I had the most leg room
Speaker 7: I've ever had. I looked out my window and like
Speaker 7: the Sierra Nevadas were there, and I'm like, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: meet George and I'm on an airplane going to LA
Speaker 7: and the weather is better here, and I was so
Speaker 7: filled with unbelievable joy. And someone could have come by
Speaker 7: and like sprayed me with and I would not have
Speaker 7: cared because I was so happy, Like those highs and
Speaker 7: lows are part of.
Speaker 5: I was like my stay was a little further up
Speaker 5: in the plane, so I would have been safe from this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was like those moments, those highs, those lows,
Speaker 7: and just that life to me. I didn't feel like
Speaker 7: I was feeling it the same way when I was
Speaker 7: on those meds.
Speaker 5: Again, Okay, Also, the medicine does work for nine to
Speaker 5: nine percent of the people. Our son was on medicine,
Speaker 5: and he it's the summer he's not on he may
Speaker 5: go back on it. And the So I don't want
Speaker 5: to shame anybody you wish.
Speaker 1: Do you wish he was still on the medication? Do
Speaker 1: you wish he was still on the medication?
Speaker 5: Sometimes sometimes no, But I would say I love his brain,
Speaker 5: and because right now we have a really strange job
Speaker 5: or on the internet and singing and dancing and making comedy,
Speaker 5: So I love the way he sees the world. And
Speaker 5: I think his unmedicated brain is the reason why we
Speaker 5: are successful at this. And I think any ADHD person
Speaker 5: would tell you, if you're in the right job, you
Speaker 5: don't notice your symptoms. He doesn't notice his symptoms as
Speaker 5: much much. But if you were like in if you
Speaker 5: were a tax law attorney, like you would probably notice
Speaker 5: your symptoms a lot, right, But I think I would
Speaker 5: say ninety nine percent of the time.
Speaker 6: I love his brain.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I really need to like have a conversation with him,
Speaker 5: and I know he's trying so hard, Like his shoulders
Speaker 5: are squared. He has the phone down and he's like tapping,
Speaker 5: He's like trying to listen. He's like, I'm in it,
Speaker 5: I love you, I got this, And he's like he's
Speaker 5: trying super hard so that it's hard to see him
Speaker 5: like struggle with like basic marriage stuff.
Speaker 3: So ye fair, Yeah, you mentioned your children, though I
Speaker 3: don't want you to talk about your kids in any
Speaker 3: way that you don't want to. But is any part
Speaker 3: of this condition seemingly genetic or hereditary and are they
Speaker 3: dealing and if they are dealing with it, would they
Speaker 3: agree with you that it's.
Speaker 1: Kind of a superpower.
Speaker 3: Are they having more struggles because of their age and
Speaker 3: where they are life?
Speaker 1: My son has ADHD.
Speaker 7: He was diagnosed about a year ago, two years sorry,
Speaker 7: two years ago. I think he's happy to have someone
Speaker 7: who walks the journey with him. It is one hundred
Speaker 7: percent hereditary. That is that science says it. In fact,
Speaker 7: we've had a lot of people who have bought this
Speaker 7: book who and they've bought it for their children, and
Speaker 7: they've offered to read it with their children, and halfway
Speaker 7: through they slammed the book and they say, oh crap,
Speaker 7: this is me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is research base. So we'd been doing research
Speaker 5: for about five years. And our son, I was the
Speaker 5: one who took. I took both our kids to get
Speaker 5: you know, dammined you do it.
Speaker 6: Like three days?
Speaker 5: Evaluated, Yeah, evaluated, Sorry, words are hard.
Speaker 6: My daughter, no, she does not.
Speaker 5: And then my son it was like flaming, scorching, but
Speaker 5: again academically gifted, not hyperactive, but think some things were
Speaker 5: a struggle where others were not. We did not write
Speaker 5: about him in the book, but now he's fourteen and
Speaker 5: he wanted to be a part of the story because
Speaker 5: he is very he's proud of his brain, and he
Speaker 5: knows he's he is not your typical fourteen year old
Speaker 5: in that he's he's a sweet kid, and he's he's
Speaker 5: a brilliant writer, and he loves comedy and he's but
Speaker 5: he's like a little like he's just a little different
Speaker 5: than your average fourteen year old kid, and he loves
Speaker 5: it as opposed to I think when Penn was fourteen,
Speaker 5: he was trying to struggle and he was trying to
Speaker 5: be a cool kid.
Speaker 1: Like all the guys made it a brand.
Speaker 4: But I'm laughing because I just want to point out
Speaker 4: something because this is there's a subject of comedy here.
Speaker 4: The sensitivity of that piper disability is all negative. And
Speaker 4: you just said, oh, we took him and he's flaming.
Speaker 5: You have a scorching case of ADHD. And because of
Speaker 5: his dad is who is who he is. But I
Speaker 5: have to say, even sitting in that doctor's office with
Speaker 5: the psychiatrist going through everything, the way that the diagnosis
Speaker 5: was delivered, it felt like my son was being diagnosed
Speaker 5: with like a life threatening illness. So like, okay, there's
Speaker 5: a treatment option, you can do this, and like it
Speaker 5: was and I already knew better, but I came out
Speaker 5: I was pretty fast.
Speaker 1: It's a thing in front of the kid and in
Speaker 1: front of.
Speaker 5: My son, and so he was really rattled on my Okay,
Speaker 5: yes there are when you have ADHD, you are more
Speaker 5: likely to X y Z. Like all of these statistics
Speaker 5: are out there, but you have to do the work.
Speaker 5: But there is a great life out there, so he's
Speaker 5: really owning it in a way that I'm very proud.
Speaker 3: You now have two people you love in your life
Speaker 3: who are very different but suffer have are dealing with
Speaker 3: the same thing. Do you find you have to deal
Speaker 3: with each of them different. I'm always when I meet
Speaker 3: people who are caretakers for people who have chronic illnesses.
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by the person who's dealing with the chronic illness,
Speaker 3: because I think that's a whole journey out of itself.
Speaker 3: But I'm so fascinated by the caretaker. You're not a caretaker,
Speaker 3: but you are a mom and a wife to these gentlemen.
Speaker 3: What is that journey for you and how different is
Speaker 3: it for dealing with each of them?
Speaker 1: And what does it cost you or give you to
Speaker 1: play that role?
Speaker 6: Well, thank you for the question.
Speaker 5: In our house, ADHD is an explanation, it's not an excuse.
Speaker 5: So it might explain why my husband leaves the house
Speaker 5: without shoes on and gets to the place and realizes
Speaker 5: he has it explains it. But I'm not his executive functioning,
Speaker 5: nor my son, so they he has to come, I'm
Speaker 5: not going.
Speaker 6: To bring him his shoes. By the way, this happened
Speaker 6: like last month.
Speaker 5: So I so they still have to take responsibility for
Speaker 5: their actions. Again, I think that it's a what is
Speaker 5: the term, like it's a delay, not like it's my
Speaker 5: son is just more delayed.
Speaker 6: So I have to say I have.
Speaker 5: To offer a lot more grace, like the I still
Speaker 5: have to remind in ways you wouldn't think you would
Speaker 5: have to remind a fourteen year old. And my son
Speaker 5: or my husband has done the work and takes all
Speaker 5: responsibility for his stuff. Like we came to la and
Speaker 5: we had some stuff to do yesterday, but then we
Speaker 5: also we staying at a hotel with this great pool.
Speaker 6: He didn't bring a bathing suit.
Speaker 5: But he's like, oh, well, like here we are, so
Speaker 5: like he figured that out.
Speaker 6: I wasn't going to be my problem.
Speaker 5: So I I would say, in the beginning, actually looks
Speaker 5: it looks so good naked.
Speaker 1: Everybody wins.
Speaker 5: So I would say in the beginning, it was people
Speaker 5: would joke, oh, it's like you have three kids.
Speaker 6: I never found that was funny.
Speaker 5: But I did take on the executive functioning role for
Speaker 5: everybody in my family. And then I had to do
Speaker 5: my own work and stop that. So and so I'm
Speaker 5: much more. I think I'm in a better place now.
Speaker 7: It's it's super important that if you're able, if you're
Speaker 7: an adult, and you have ADHD, and you have someone
Speaker 7: who loves you enough to work with you on this,
Speaker 7: to just acknowledge, like anything you can do to help
Speaker 7: lighten a mental load that you probably can't even fathom
Speaker 7: how heavy it is, especially if you're raising kids. I
Speaker 7: think it does wonders to help that relationship out. So
Speaker 7: I'm trying to do that. But I also yes, I
Speaker 7: had to walk barefoot into a restaurant to get carry
Speaker 7: out because I forgot my shoes. I almost burn the
Speaker 7: house down one time, several times leaving the stove on.
Speaker 7: I had her drive, asked her to drive like one
Speaker 7: hundred and fifty miles to a beach place because I
Speaker 7: couldn't find my keys, And when she got there, she
Speaker 7: found them on top of the car, like just as
Speaker 7: she was walking up.
Speaker 1: Like, we're littered with these sort of nightmare stories of
Speaker 1: what's going on.
Speaker 6: And but in fairness, you deal with my crap.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's the next part.
Speaker 5: So diagnosed my crap but so I think that that's
Speaker 5: so I on my high anxiety days like and when
Speaker 5: you when you walk with anxiety. Some days are like
Speaker 5: I'm in the middle of the grocery store and I
Speaker 5: see spaghetti sauce and I'm like, I have to abandon
Speaker 5: the car because I'm like, I don't know why, but
Speaker 5: I'm this is like And so I call him. I'm like, hey, dude,
Speaker 5: we're You're gonna have to pick this up. And he's like,
Speaker 5: I got it.
Speaker 6: I'm on it. So I think that we match each
Speaker 6: other's crazy.
Speaker 4: You figured you figured it out. So I want to
Speaker 4: get a couple of thingsmer. Is this on a spectrum?
Speaker 4: I think you're probably gonna say, yeah, as a spectrum
Speaker 4: of ADHDD.
Speaker 1: Oh god. Yeah.
Speaker 7: And not only that, they're they're snowflakes, right, There's just
Speaker 7: so many different types of ADHD and types of people.
Speaker 1: It gets along super well with other disorders.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, yeah, the moon fases lineup with autism anxiety.
Speaker 7: I mean, like you can have ADHD and then a
Speaker 7: lot of times you'll have other stuff as well, dyslexia sometimes.
Speaker 1: If we may to the awesome part, yeah, so awesome.
Speaker 7: We chose that word carefully and we chose it intentionally,
Speaker 7: knowing that it might get some attention and it might
Speaker 7: have people say, what the hell are you talking about
Speaker 7: the first page.
Speaker 1: Of the words I said when I met you few.
Speaker 5: Exactly And yeah, there's been there's been some of that too.
Speaker 5: They're like, this is not this is remarkably unawesome.
Speaker 6: How dare you?
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you open the first page of the book,
Speaker 7: it has the definition of awesome, which did you know
Speaker 7: it means inspiring, great admiration, or fear? It could it
Speaker 7: means the way that awesome used to be used in
Speaker 7: the English language was freaking terrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Goliath was awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think that ADHD is powerful. I think that it's
Speaker 7: incredibly impressive. When you are able to perform in certain ways,
Speaker 7: your brain gravitates toward creativity and things that interest you,
Speaker 7: and it makes its way onto successful content because of
Speaker 7: the same thing that causes you to fidget. Okay, all
Speaker 7: of those things you talked about as a child, fidgeting,
Speaker 7: having trouble focusing. It's what makes you creative. But it
Speaker 7: was survival, not not like, oh boy, am I thank you?
Speaker 1: It sucked. It sucked. ADHD sometimes sucks.
Speaker 7: Most of the time I told you my story, it sucked,
Speaker 7: but I realized, and this is really the crux of
Speaker 7: the book, that that same type of brain is prone
Speaker 7: to phenomenal outside the box thinking, creativity, pure joy from
Speaker 7: time to time, and great potential. But yes, it is scary.
Speaker 7: It leads to things burning down inside the house. And
Speaker 7: so the true sense of the word awesome, I think
Speaker 7: it fits. But sometimes I have to explain that to
Speaker 7: people so they don't throw the book at me.
Speaker 4: And can you tell I know they're in the book
Speaker 4: Ways to Maneuver that you found to Maneuver and trick
Speaker 4: it that somebody listening may now say, oh, that was
Speaker 4: actionable for me, but save me.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 7: So, whether or not you're on medication, there are behavioral
Speaker 7: interventions and systems that everyone who has this type of
Speaker 7: brain need to put in place. Any doctor will tell
Speaker 7: you that whether or not you're on medication, and most
Speaker 7: people just do them organically. Like I'm sure you have
Speaker 7: some systems in place in your life that you're not
Speaker 7: even aware of, Like do you let's see, like do
Speaker 7: you have a specific place where you have to put
Speaker 7: your keys?
Speaker 1: Are you a forgetful type of person?
Speaker 4: I'm not forgetful on the opposite. But OK, yes, I'm
Speaker 4: not forgetful because I do have systems in place.
Speaker 7: Right, so you've been putting them in place, like I
Speaker 7: have weird stuff. I so I for the longest time,
Speaker 7: and I know I did this last night, so I'm
Speaker 7: not perfect. But for a very very long time, I
Speaker 7: just forget to put the toilet seat down.
Speaker 1: It's gross.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, but like guys like they one way, and
Speaker 7: so I just started sitting down every time I peed.
Speaker 7: I'm like, forget it. I'm just gonna sit down every
Speaker 7: single time. It's a long trip for me. But I'm
Speaker 7: going to go down there and I'm going to guess and.
Speaker 1: It's quite tall, but those of you are not launching
Speaker 1: on YouTube and I'm going to get back up. And
Speaker 1: that's like, that is a system you put in place
Speaker 1: because I love you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because the super loves me.
Speaker 5: Also, he has a magnet on top of his car
Speaker 5: because he's also a giant.
Speaker 6: He could see the top of his car.
Speaker 5: But he was walking out every morning and putting a
Speaker 5: coffee cup there and then getting into the car and
Speaker 5: then splat goes like the plate of eggs of the
Speaker 5: coffee cup. So the magnet doesn't hold anything, but it's
Speaker 5: just that visual interaction.
Speaker 1: You can I ask you dumb questions because I did
Speaker 1: this and I'm not proud of it a couple.
Speaker 4: Of weeks ago, and I was cognizant. I wasn't rushing
Speaker 4: and I don't forget stuff and I pulled out of
Speaker 4: the gas station with things still in the Yeah, so
Speaker 4: that didn't interduce to the second time I've done it.
Speaker 1: In ten ures.
Speaker 4: So you never told me that I walked out of
Speaker 4: the gas station. This time it popped out and I
Speaker 4: ran and put it back in and left. The last
Speaker 4: time before that, I didn't know. They're made to break
Speaker 4: off and then they will charge you. Unfortunately, I know that.
Speaker 1: Too, because.
Speaker 6: Well, Jason, you are brains.
Speaker 5: We get to the gas station and we like, remember
Speaker 5: we put the thing in, and then we maybe we
Speaker 5: clean out the car while it's filling up, and we
Speaker 5: use the hand sanitizer and we take it out. But
Speaker 5: their brains, they they're so busy, they're on to next step. Yeah,
Speaker 5: So it doesn't enter your working memory the way it
Speaker 5: does ours. So I had when I learned that as
Speaker 5: a mom, as a wife, I was able to extend
Speaker 5: a lot more grace for the I cannot believe, like
Speaker 5: I told you this one thing you needed to bring
Speaker 5: to school, this one thing in the morning, but you
Speaker 5: know he had to like get on shoes and eat
Speaker 5: breakfast and comb his hair and brush his teeth and
Speaker 5: all the stuff. So like that one thing didn't enter.
Speaker 5: So now I just I've been able to offer a
Speaker 5: lot more grace that So.
Speaker 3: When you began dating, though, I'm not just being sweet
Speaker 3: A very good looking, so handsome, and you seem as
Speaker 3: lovely a human being as I've met.
Speaker 1: So obviously you go on a date and you go,
Speaker 1: this is great, amazing.
Speaker 3: Then this stuff starts to hear and at some point
Speaker 3: you have to go, I can't handle it. It's worth it,
Speaker 3: It's worth it, It's worth it. What was that moment
Speaker 3: where you went.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see what the whole package is here.
Speaker 5: I will say all of the things that I fell
Speaker 5: in love with if you, if you unravel it, are
Speaker 5: as adhd He The first time I saw him, he
Speaker 5: was doing the worm at a dance club on the
Speaker 5: stage and into a backspin and he landed like this,
Speaker 5: and I told my friends, I'm like, stand back, that's
Speaker 5: my husband. Like I was like, that's him, I'm sorry
Speaker 5: and so and then very quickly I'm just the conversation,
Speaker 5: the impulsivity, like all of those things are why I
Speaker 5: fell in love.
Speaker 7: But then, but unfortunately, the answer to the question is
Speaker 7: it was when we were engaged and we had to
Speaker 7: live in a New York apartment with like one room.
Speaker 6: In a lot more than that.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is a very small space. And so yes,
Speaker 5: we got there, but I found it to be incredibly charming.
Speaker 5: And then once you we had to work out our stuff.
Speaker 5: It is and and we got there, but it was
Speaker 5: it was an adjustment.
Speaker 4: I think it's great before we got a run. But
Speaker 4: I want to ask you the final question about influencers.
Speaker 4: Every kid wants to be an influenced today. Everybody wants
Speaker 4: to be an influencer. How big the podcast, how you
Speaker 4: guys are sensation. But it must be the amount of
Speaker 4: work to do that successfully. It has to be a
Speaker 4: full time and you're churning out stuff and you have
Speaker 4: a staff and whatever. Because you're putting up videos were
Speaker 4: you're doing parody songs, you're doing.
Speaker 3: Shich by the way, you're singing and driving at the
Speaker 3: same time, and with a person with a d AHD.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 7: I want to condone very very happy to say that
Speaker 7: those are those are either on closed roads or I'm
Speaker 7: not actually driving and we're making it.
Speaker 1: Look if you can just.
Speaker 4: Wrap it up by explaining people what it takes to
Speaker 4: have a success, be a successful influencer, and have other
Speaker 4: revenue streams, because right now everybody at home is trying
Speaker 4: to be an influencer and find the thing.
Speaker 1: Was it organic? Did it just happen and then you
Speaker 1: figured out how to build it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So we both started in local news, and so
Speaker 7: if honestly influent video influencing and YouTube didn't exist when
Speaker 7: we started, we made thirteen thousand dollars a piece, and
Speaker 7: we were one man bands. If you guys ever knew
Speaker 7: anybody who used to be in the news, we all
Speaker 7: I wanted to be Matt Lauer, not anymore.
Speaker 1: She wanted to be Katie Hurrik.
Speaker 7: And so we would haul a camera and we would
Speaker 7: go home, we would edit it, and then we would
Speaker 7: throw in a tie or make up or whatever and
Speaker 7: go and do the news. And then for years and
Speaker 7: years we did that, hoping that we could get to
Speaker 7: the point where we'd be like the anchor sitting at
Speaker 7: the desk talking like that, and that was sort of
Speaker 7: the brass ring. But as it turned out, we quit
Speaker 7: our jobs because we never saw our kids. The hours
Speaker 7: for local news are from three to midnight, either in
Speaker 7: the morning or at night, so you don't see him
Speaker 7: very much. Kim had started working and putting together a
Speaker 7: production company where we could make videos for other people
Speaker 7: and just not have, you know, get control of our
Speaker 7: own schedules.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so I convinced him to quit his job
Speaker 5: in twenty thirteen. I said, I think we have enough clients.
Speaker 5: We had two kids, two months in savings, and I said,
Speaker 5: I think we have enough clients with like a real estate,
Speaker 5: a bank, or a dentist that we could offset your salary.
Speaker 5: And we had to like buy benefits in the whole thing.
Speaker 5: But we were so miserable. So I'm like, or we'll
Speaker 5: go work it in the grocery store like we're There
Speaker 5: was no ego in it. I said we should do
Speaker 5: a video to kind of announce this, and then we
Speaker 5: put out a He wrote a parody song. It was
Speaker 5: called Christmas Jammys, and we danced around it in our
Speaker 5: Christmas jammis and it got like it was a slow
Speaker 5: news week, so it got seventeen million views, but it
Speaker 5: was on the Today Show, was on GMA, it was
Speaker 5: on all of the news shows, so it kind of
Speaker 5: spread like that. We again are very slow learners, so
Speaker 5: we still just did work behind the scenes for a
Speaker 5: couple years, but brands kept reaching out to us, so
Speaker 5: it happened very organically. We had no business plan to
Speaker 5: do this, but then now it is sort of a
Speaker 5: dream we get to you know, even today I was
Speaker 5: texting like I thought of something. I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 5: could be like a really funny little sketch. It forces
Speaker 5: us in the best possible way to look at the
Speaker 5: world and ask is that funny?
Speaker 6: Is that a song? Is that a sketch? And so
Speaker 6: we get to make stupid videos every day and yeah.
Speaker 7: But the the part about it that's crazy is that
Speaker 7: like starving local news job where we had to do
Speaker 7: three stories a day and shoot our own stuff and
Speaker 7: edit our own shot stuff suddenly became valuable again in
Speaker 7: the influencer space. She can shoot, I can shoot, we
Speaker 7: can both edit, and you know, like we have people
Speaker 7: help us do it right now. But for the most part,
Speaker 7: if you want to be an influencer, you're asking that question.
Speaker 7: Learn how to edit, learn how to write, and be yourself.
Speaker 6: And I also hate the word influencer. I think that
Speaker 6: word you like to call it. I don't know. Like content,
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think we are content creator, but you're influencing people
Speaker 4: in a way. So how big is your audience at
Speaker 4: this point?
Speaker 5: Like, well, there's like five million on Facebook and a
Speaker 5: million something on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Do you ever worry to you? Do you guys sit
Speaker 1: down and go, oh, the numbers drop. We've probably got.
Speaker 7: Two more years and this is going to be another
Speaker 7: co No, We're constantly worried that people are going to
Speaker 7: be sick of us and then we'll just go work
Speaker 7: at like Starbucks.
Speaker 5: I think the reason it works is because we were
Speaker 5: reluctant influencers, if you will, like this wasn't the dream,
Speaker 5: and so I think we we get to do these
Speaker 5: cool things and if it works, it works. If it doesn't,
Speaker 5: that's fine, Well, you.
Speaker 1: Know what your stuff is dorable? Check out the website.
Speaker 4: I hate it's just a word adorable because it's smart,
Speaker 4: it's funny, and there's another part of it that's just
Speaker 4: the fact that you too, work at it people get
Speaker 4: to see that that this is not a solo mission.
Speaker 3: There's also I was going to say what I get
Speaker 3: from hanging with you guys a little bit is you're
Speaker 3: not only showing you know, kind of how do you
Speaker 3: make your way dealing with any kind of a condition,
Speaker 3: But you too are very serious about having a working
Speaker 3: marital relationship. And I think that you know, there's not
Speaker 3: enough emphasis on that's a huge thing. Yeah, to you know,
Speaker 3: being with somebody and being dedicated to that and making
Speaker 3: it work. You have to put some thought and effort
Speaker 3: and work into it. You have to make compromises, you
Speaker 3: have to. And I think the very nature of what
Speaker 3: you're doing together as I watch the videos is how
Speaker 3: to be a kind of conscious family. Yeah, and you
Speaker 3: know it's it's it's really lovely. So if you enjoyed
Speaker 3: your Instagram, YouTube, where else anywhere else people find you
Speaker 3: if they need, want to.
Speaker 5: Come me tack podcasts, all the all the things, all
Speaker 5: thank you. That that means a lot. And we say
Speaker 5: it all the time. We'd rather be married than do
Speaker 5: whatever it is. This is, so that is being married
Speaker 5: is the priority.
Speaker 7: We came up with the dumbest idea ever for a
Speaker 7: video and we shot it yesterday and we had so
Speaker 7: much fun in Los Angeles, and I think we may
Speaker 7: be recruiting Jason to be the button on the video.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's great if you could be in the
Speaker 1: dumbest video I have ever on.
Speaker 6: It's not done.
Speaker 1: It's really done by dumb I mean, it's really fair. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, check you have to check it out there.
Speaker 3: Said yes, we'll get the attorney wid negotiation. I know
Speaker 3: you can hear me because you can hear a lot
Speaker 3: of things at the same time.
Speaker 1: So just put in the word. By the way, you
Speaker 1: have to call the lawyer, the agent, the whole bit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, because I have a different kind of
Speaker 3: condition called additional people that I carry.
Speaker 4: Penny Kim holding the stank somebody is really a pleasure
Speaker 4: and it resonated. This one resonated for me in such
Speaker 4: a big ways to think, thank you, thanks for having us.
Speaker 1: Well, they were what a lovely what a lovely couple?
Speaker 1: Literally yeah, stunning and also just yeah, wonderful. It was
Speaker 1: a really interesting thing.
Speaker 4: And for me, I don't know, it's just with you,
Speaker 4: but when somebody's talking about something that you are you have,
Speaker 4: it's it's wow. And I would see I tell the
Speaker 4: story or something, and he would light up because.
Speaker 3: You go, well, the first time that you've been sort
Speaker 3: of seen by someone else who's in the I mean,
Speaker 3: you must.
Speaker 1: Have met people who suffer from me.
Speaker 4: I never talk I've never talked about it. I've never
Speaker 4: I'm kind of a private person and I've never talked
Speaker 4: about the ramifications of my day and how I have
Speaker 4: the function to do stuff and why I have stuff
Speaker 4: written and highlighted and it really is that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it feels good. So is that sort of
Speaker 1: reaffirming for you?
Speaker 4: It's comforting because it makes you feel like I'm not nuts,
Speaker 4: you know, in certain aspects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, David Googa tme. How are you, sir? Doing very well?
Speaker 1: Doing very well? How are you guys? You guys are good.
Speaker 3: We are living they as far as we can tell,
Speaker 3: with our limited capacities and our initialized conditions, we are fine.
Speaker 1: Well, that's good enough for me.
Speaker 8: Jason, you had mentioned earlier, I'll question about hormones and
Speaker 8: ADHD and is there a correlation there. I just want
Speaker 8: to step one bit back before I get to that,
Speaker 8: because there is a discrepancy in the who hasn't the
Speaker 8: percentages as far as between men and women. Now, men
Speaker 8: are three times more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD
Speaker 8: than women. Now there's a lot of speculation and discussion
Speaker 8: on why that is. Are women underdiagnosed because of how
Speaker 8: ADHD might manifest itself differently between the sex So there's
Speaker 8: a lot of ongoing science there, but primarily right now
Speaker 8: men and boys are recognized and diagnosed as having it
Speaker 8: more often than women. But having said that, when you
Speaker 8: look at sort of the hormone issues, there are definite
Speaker 8: interaction actions between hormones and the prevalence of systems, and
Speaker 8: a lot of that is because you have the serotonin
Speaker 8: and the dopamine and these sorts of things that are
Speaker 8: affected by estrogen levels which directly affect attention, mood regulation,
Speaker 8: and executive functions, which are of course all these sorts
Speaker 8: of things that we're talking about with aph So there's
Speaker 8: absolutely a correlation with those two issues.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for that, But I wonder why, you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: I do wonder why.
Speaker 3: Brain chemistries, which is basically I guess what we're talking
Speaker 3: about here because I don't well, but if there is
Speaker 3: a genetic factor to this thing, I wonder what the
Speaker 3: gene is that you know wires our brain chemistry to.
Speaker 1: Them, Well, we don't know the gene.
Speaker 4: We do like, we don't know the gene with a
Speaker 4: lot of things genetic, but we do know the brain
Speaker 4: chemistry you're liking because as soon as they give you
Speaker 4: the right medication to restore that brain chemistry, like for me,
Speaker 4: it was instantaneous.
Speaker 1: It just worked, It just worked, and it was wow.
Speaker 9: Yeah, thank you Dave, thank you our friend, thank you Laurie,
Speaker 9: and thanks to everybody, Kim and Penn Holderness and check
Speaker 9: and luck to you on your ever, ever more profitable
Speaker 9: journey to help and wellbeing.
Speaker 1: Peter Till, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, as.
Speaker 2: Another episode of Really No really comes to a close.
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Speaker 2: answer to the question, who are some other famous and
Speaker 2: successful people who have ADHD, Well, here's a few. Olympian
Speaker 2: swimmer Michael Phelps kept to float with ADHD while earning
Speaker 2: several world records, including most Olympic medals with a total
Speaker 2: of twenty eighth International film star and three time Oscar
Speaker 2: winner Ryan Gosling.
Speaker 1: Can surely deal with ADHD.
Speaker 2: Hotel Eiris and media influencer Paris Hilton might say that's
Speaker 2: hot to ADHD. Tom Cruise does not believe ADHD is
Speaker 2: a mission impossible. Both Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson can
Speaker 2: sink a three pointer with ADHD.
Speaker 1: Walt Disney never.
Speaker 2: Got distracted in his theme parts due to his ADHD. Beethoven, Mozart,
Speaker 2: and Handel could all write a gorgeous ADHD sonata. Whoopi
Speaker 2: Goldberg surely has a view on ADHD. Muhammad Ali could
Speaker 2: float like a butterfly and sting like an ADHD. It's
Speaker 2: no wonder. Stevie Wonder could play every instrument in the
Speaker 2: world with his ADHD. Van Go and Picasso could paint
Speaker 2: a rosier picture of ADHD. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates
Speaker 2: think ADHD computes just fine. And John Kennedy, Thomas Jefferson,
Speaker 2: Abraham Lincoln, Winston Churchill, and Eleanor Roosevelt all led the
Speaker 2: way and inspired the world while dealing with ADHD. And
Speaker 2: let's not forget our own Peter Tilden, who every day
Speaker 2: deals with both ADHD and Jason Alexander. And that makes
Speaker 2: twenty eight Olympic medals.
Speaker 1: Look like child's play.
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