WEBVTT - Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) can be a Superpower 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:07.400 Now really, really. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.400 Now really hello, and welcome to Really Know Really with 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:13.800 Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who remind you to. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.720 Please subscribe to our show. Wait what what was I saying? 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.680 What was I thinking? What are we doing here? Oh? Yeah, 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:20.680 please subscribe? 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.440 And that my dear listeners, was a somewhat stereotypical example 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:29.479 of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder or ADHD, a medical condition 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.720 with symptoms that include difficulty focusing and staying on task, 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.680 the inability to sit still, and various. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:36.519 Self control issues. 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.199 Worldwide, over three hundred and thirty six million people live 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.200 with ADHD, including our very own Peter Tilden. Many view 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.120 it as a daily burden that makes simple tasks difficult 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:51.519 and anxiety ridden, and personal interactions often challenging, but not 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.720 today's guests. Kim and Penn Holderness are best selling authors, 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:59.200 and their most recent book is ADHD Is Awesome, A 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.200 Guide to Most Sleep Thriving with ADHD, Really No Really. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:07.959 In this episode, they discussed diagnosing ADHD, medication choices, and 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.440 their own experiences successfully navigating the world while dealing with 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.560 this condition, concluding how they won the Amazing Race and 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.319 how they created award winning videos which have garnered over 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.680 two billion views and over eight million followers, and now 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.720 with nowhere near those numbers, here's Jason and Peter. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.800 Don't tell me you have attention to disorder. You spotted that, 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.240 Just do that. I work at it all right, So 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.080 this is a good place to start. This studio must 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.280 make you crazy, because honestly, to sit here and do 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:43.240 the show, I'm distracted. We've got two three for five cameras, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.600 We've got people that we see so last. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.120 We only pay for Yeah, we got papers, we got things. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:51.720 There's the fact. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.280 How do you The hardest thing for me, I'll break 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.400 the wall is not doing this because I've interviewed people 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:02.720 for years. What break in the wall is is that 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.320 we have four shut We do multiple shows in a day. 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.640 Changing my head to not have. 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.360 All that noise inside about the other shows, you know, 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.480 and be able to focus on this. I try and 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.960 then go, Okay, we got the wholeness. I'll give an 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:18.679 example of this. The whole news families come in and 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.239 I start to agonize about how do I present the 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:22.760 really no really, So I got to get in my 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:27.239 head there really no really is that? Emir, who's our publicist, 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.799 and more alerted me to this family because they wrote 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.040 and I have ADHD. They wrote a book and have 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:40.800 done videos on ADHD. Is awesome, and I go, really, 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.120 so if you have ADHD, and I got some stats 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.280 that over three hundred million people, I think it's three 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.679 hundred and thirty six million people have ADHD. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.320 That's the entire United States. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.840 No, that's worldwide as of twenty twenty. I don't know 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.480 I've had this discussion before. It's because we were more aware. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.440 So there's more or diagnoses, but there are a lot 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.359 of people who go undiagnosed, kids who don't have parents 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.320 enough money who can't get them diagnosed. Around six and 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.440 ten children with ADHD also have at least one other 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.320 mental emotional or behavior condition. Now you know which anxiety depression. 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.200 I suffer from some depression of anxiety, although it's not crippling. 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.040 I was on a drug for ADHD that I stopped 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.600 taking because because I wanted to come clean on everything, 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:27.560 but it helped me for years on radio. 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.239 But here's just so people understand when we say ADHD. 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.720 These are the things, Peter. I'm going to read a list, 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:40.080 Peter has I'm going to say ninety of this list has. 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.720 Trouble laughing, and that's horrible. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:46.680 Right, has trouble listening and paying attention to me needs 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.600 lots of reminders to do things I don't. 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.720 I don't. You don't know. I'm really I've ever been 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.200 later forgotten something that I don't have. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:04:00.720 All right, I'll take that out. Gets distracted easily, absent money. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.160 You don't seem absent it to me. If anything you're 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.760 you're I remember you remember a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.520 disorganized and lose things. I don't think that's true of 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.000 you either. No, you know you might not have ADHD. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.920 You can't sit still wait their turner, be patient. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.320 Bang bing bing bing bang bang bang. Things like that's 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:19.760 a big one. 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.240 Rush through homework and other tasks and make careless mistakes. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.799 No, but I do rush. I want to get through it. Well, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.760 that's that's I have nothing. 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.159 I have no letters attached to a diagnosis of anything 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.400 in my life, and I rush through things to interrupt 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.080 a lot and talk or call out answers in class. 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.520 This is about students. But yes, but in class, Hey, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.680 I wanted to hot. So that was what everybody wants 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:44.640 to do? 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.640 Do things they should so impulse control doing things they 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.160 know they shouldn't even you know. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.560 How much do I say, hey, we should do this, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.280 we should do that to avoid having to sit. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:05:02.000 Yes, gets upset, easily, restless, fidgety, frustrating, s c r O. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.240 There's a body part of you always always have been 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:05.600 moving going. Yeah. 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:10.880 Interesting, it's it's it's seriously, what is interesting to me 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.960 is very little at any given moment. Sure, I can 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.360 be absent minded, or I can get distracted, or I 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.839 can need reminders to do it. But it's not a 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.880 chronic condition. So most of this feels like a little 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:25.480 alien to me. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.240 Now I understand why the late night hosts, some of 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:29.760 them are a bit crazy. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.440 Yeah, because doing it every it never ends. You're like 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.760 Larry David. Larry David, I would always I thought he 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:36.360 was doing a bit. He was not doing a bit. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.520 But you know, by the time we started shooting a 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.760 season of the show, they basically had twenty two episodes 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.760 at least worked out, thought through, you know, if not outlined, 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.039 at least thought through. Here's our major storyline, here's what 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.520 we're going to tackle. But and and by season four, 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:56.960 we're a hitch after every episode. As we were filming 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.760 we go, that's a wrap. On episode four oh four, 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:04.960 Larry David would cry out into the into the void, it. 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.360 Can't be done again. It's impossible. No one can do this. 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.560 And I'm going, you've been doing it for four years. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:13.800 You kind of know what we're doing next week? 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.119 Could you really be this crazed about? 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:22.720 And I've come to believe absolutely, you know, for him, 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.080 he did not think. He felt he had set an 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:31.479 impossible bar. I understand that and that it just you know, 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.760 and Jerry would be right. But they create together, side 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.719 by side, holding hands. Jerry would be like, that's fine. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.960 Why do you have to be something? And I was 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:46.160 like that too, Sure, sure, well it is a superpower 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.680 because look at let him in success, look at your success. Apparently, 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.720 So let's let's let's bring meet these people who feel 0:06:54.720 --> 0:07:00.520 that what you have a super Clark then stuff is. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.880 So let's say hello to our guests that have now 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:10.320 joined us in studio one, two, three, Hello, we have 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.920 the holder in this family. Penn and Kim have joined 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:18.960 us here in studio looking so much better than most people. 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.119 I'll stop there looking so much better than most people. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.800 I am coming here on my on my down days. 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.240 This is my first stop, my ego. I'm like so 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.520 full right now. This is amazing this The two of. 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.920 You look like fitness models. They also they also did 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:35.960 something we could not do. Well, maybe you could do it. 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.800 They won the amazing right, I could not do that 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:40.960 for reasons that have nothing to do with your. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:45.440 Could you You've talked lovingly about your wife and the 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:46.320 connection you have. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.000 You guys would be amazing, amazing. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:50.760 Let me just tell you. Let me just tell you 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:52.720 how wrong that would be. We'd be in the car, 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.880 my wife. We we we flip gender stereotypes. Okay, I 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.280 pull out of the driveway, I go, let's that's directions, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:00.720 and she. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.160 And we have to go north. That's north. We'll get there. 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:05.640 We'll get there, And I go, would. 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.600 It kill us to find this is great TV? Though 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.560 it doesn't may not get there first. 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:13.720 I mean, that's what happens to us in real life. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:15.960 But then when there's one hundred a million dollars are 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.680 on the line and everyone's filming, you and you just 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:20.800 agree not to yell at each other. You let someone 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:22.920 be the navigator and someone the driver. It sounds like 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:23.760 you guys would be perfect. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.640 No, no, no, I don't like heights. Oh yeah, I'm not 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:32.839 a heights person. Yep, I enjoy frequent bathroom stuff. 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.520 Yeah, things like that. Yeah, I'm just not cut out. 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:42.200 And if I may million, I just threw up. I 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.320 will say there's been a lot of Yeah. 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.720 Well, if someone says I'll give you a million dollars, 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.840 walk on that two inch board and now I don't 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.200 need a million dollars as opposed to you, I read. 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.679 Hot cold, Well, I will say we did, we are. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.560 We were just huge fans of the show as a family. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.520 So it's one of those things that you know, for 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.880 some people, if Survivor was an option, they would go on. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:04.320 For us, it was the amazing race. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.840 So yeah, are my cousin who did Survivor many times 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.760 many and I I but because I. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.480 Know you probably can't talk about it now the sausage 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:12.720 is made. 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:17.320 There are many things about reality, very real, and so. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:19.920 I wish I wish that. 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.040 I wish they would lift the veil in that some too, 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:23.840 And some of it's even kind of fascinating, like the 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.240 photographers are in better shape than we are. 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.000 Like there until a few. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.000 Years ago, they were carrying like those old news cameras, 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.120 those giant news cameras running backwards at the same speed 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:34.959 we were running forward. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.319 I'm curious with your amazing race and then we can 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:41.960 move on to the awesomeness that is HD. Did you 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.760 are you the kind of couple right in the beginnings 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.800 that we're going to win this and you never wavered 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:47.680 on that or did you just were you just in 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.600 it and kind of navigating it each day going oh 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.560 my god, we should drop out, Oh my god, they're 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:53.120 going to win it. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.320 Well, we're competitive as hell. I think that. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.560 Outwardly, we told each other we're going to go there 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.080 and have a great time and not let it bother 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.280 us if we don't win. It's really about the experience 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:07.560 and about you know, learning. 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.439 It would be a fund story to tell your grandkids. 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:10.440 I was on the amazing race. 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.040 Yeah. Inwardly, do you want to take that one? 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:17.320 Well, I have suffered from anxiety depression, so and also 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.679 I'm very competitive, so when we didn't do well, I 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.560 would get really pissed. So so inwardly I thought we 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.319 could win, but I outwardly never said it. 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.559 It's an amazing, amazing thing to do. When they showed up, 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:36.199 did the other teams go, oh god, damn it around. 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:41.959 Yeah, we're the oldest combined couple. Uh else everybody else do? 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:46.280 They were shredded. They were in their younger twenties, and 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.600 they looked like they had just worked out for eight 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.319 straight years just to Yeah, so we were Is. 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.720 That is Is that sort of being in top physical 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.319 shape a real boost on that show or is it? 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.880 I think it was like a strategy, Yeah it is. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.679 I mean I think we won because we knew how 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.800 to read a map. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so just 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:06.920 being a little older help. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.520 Which, by the way, that's a big thing. I don't 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:09.560 think my children can read them. 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:14.240 More people had ever used a map like the twenty somethings. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:14.800 They don't have to. 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.400 They have phones, right, and normally the show doesn't require 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.640 too much self driving. But we stopped after the third 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.800 episode because we were in Scotland as COVID was making 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.320 its way over to the United States, and so we 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.079 flew home. I think we brought COVID with us and 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.000 you're welcome, but we said we sat in our rooms. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.880 And then eighteen months later they came back and found 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.800 a way to restart the race, but they couldn't put 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:42.200 us on any public transportation. Because it was still sure 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.920 like it was almost all self driving, which they don't 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:49.640 normally do. And for that reason, we're old. We've read maps. Yeah, 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:50.520 and it made a difference. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:51.320 That's crazy. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.800 I know that this podcast is not about reality TV. 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.360 She just gave me the okay. That means I've been 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:03.040 talking a little bit too. If you did you notice 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:04.439 solve the book. 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.720 Among other things that we talked about winning the amazing race. 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:13.080 But you guys, I here some co authored ADHD is Awesome. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.800 A Guide to Mostly Thriving with ADHD, which was an 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.440 instant New York Times bestseller came out last April. And 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.319 this this is your area, this is this is ADHD 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:29.520 is where do I sign up? I mean, just so 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.720 I understand the world that we're going to be talking about. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.160 I could have asked this of Peter, but I'm not 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.880 sure he knows the answer. What's the difference between a 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.920 d h D and a d D. Is there a difference? 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:39.640 No? 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.760 Uh, well, a d D is attention deficit disorder. ADHD 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.600 is attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. But there's three different types 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:52.480 of ad whatever. There's inattentive, there's impulsive, and there's a 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.240 combination of the two, right, hyperactive, impulsive, and a combination 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.080 of the two. So what happened was I think they 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.480 made ADHD to catch all term for everything. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:04.400 I'm a combination. 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.199 There's a lot of people who are just in intentive 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.439 and they would call themselves add But I think it 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.920 got to the point where doctors were talking about it 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:12.920 so much and it was becoming a buzzword that they 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.240 just let it go and said it's ah. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.520 It's an umbrella term, so we could effectively just lump 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:19.520 it all into ADHD. 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.400 Yeah, yeah, okay, great, so now I understand where we are. Well, 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.400 the name sucks, so I'm glad that you brought it up. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.080 Yeah, it's a bad stake and it's a negative, and 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.200 I know that's for me. Like I said, I couldn't 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.840 wait for you guys to come in because ADHD is awesome? 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.120 Is f you okay? Because I fought with this my 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:35.880 entire line? 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.199 And then I read about athletes who it's a superpower 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.760 for them because they can singularly focus on stuff. Talk 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.480 about your diagnosis. Look, give us the backstory on how 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.120 you find out how it impacts you, so we can 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.720 get some insight on how you got to the awesomeness 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:51.800 of something negative. 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:53.880 Well, as a kid, I had some of the same 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.520 issues that you did. I tapped my feet a lot. 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.200 I shredded every single napkin I ever had in my hand. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.800 When I was trying to eat, had a ring of 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.040 Everyone thought it was sweat, but I would chew on 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.559 my collar. These are all ways that you deal with 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.440 trying to stave off distractions. Actually, like those, these like takes. 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:12.080 It's a way to regulate. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.600 Actually, so I had I would it's saliva. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:15.839 I would shoe on my shirt and I have a 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.000 ring of saliva all the way around like this. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:19.040 As I was a kid. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.000 On top of that, as I'm sure you know, it's 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.280 it's not like, okay, you do you, it's what's wrong 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.800 with you? Like you're you're a total weirdo. You are 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:32.920 a freak. You are different. You're you're saying things that 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:34.680 are coming to the top of your head that make 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.880 no sense. You can't make it to the end of conversations, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.480 can't sit still. And so while I think I was 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.320 a fairly highly functioning person mentally, academically and all those 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:47.280 other things, socially, it was difficult. I got really upset, 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.200 very easily. So there's an emotional regulation part of it 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.160 as well. And I would cry at the drop of 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.600 a hat, and most people learn how to deal with 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.920 that and put it away, like when they get to 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.360 middle school. I had trouble with it in high school. 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.960 So I knew that there was something wrong with me. 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.400 But I'm not sure what age you are. You might 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.680 be younger, older than me. But they didn't have It 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.200 wasn't a thing. It wasn't a diagnosable thing until I 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.760 got to college. And that's when I got diagnosed. And 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.320 it felt good to hear that there was an explanation 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.800 for what was going on, but it felt really bad 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:26.960 to hear the name. It was three negative words in 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.080 one name. And I always think about, like what a 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.520 kid feels like when they're eight years old, and someone says, 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:36.760 deficit hyperactivity, which we covered, is not even necessarily true disorder, 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.360 And so I found a way to get around it. 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.120 Medication was my answer for about a year, got me 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.840 through college, graduated from college because of the medication, and 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:52.200 then luckily found people who I think I regulated a 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.080 little better when I got older. I also found people 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.840 who understood and were accepting of the person that I was, 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.120 and I found a job that is perfect for ADHD, 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.040 which is local news where you have eight seconds to 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.440 keep people from getting bored to death, a lot like 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:08.360 the entertainment business. 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.760 It saved me, Yeah, it really saved me. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.360 How much do you think because you talked about the 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.360 medication was beneficial for a year and then that you 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.360 could lean off of it. I know people in my 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:25.200 life who have both anxiety and depression situations and some 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.920 degree of I don't think quite as pronounced as perhaps 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.320 what you were dealing with. But do you think that 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:36.600 hormonal changes as you go through different ages either helps 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:38.960 or compounds this condition? 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.000 So the theory is, and this is just scientific studies. Obviously, 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.520 when you get older and you get hormones and you maturey, 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:51.680 I think it's more about getting older and your executive 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.560 functioning catching up. Like scientifically, your executive functioning doesn't fully 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.400 develop until you're twenty five, but certain parts of it, 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.520 you know, kind of slowly make their way there. It's 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.200 just our pre federal cortex is smaller. I know, I'm 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.040 not a scientist, but I've heard this from other people. 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.359 So we just developed later, and it can feel like 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.800 when you're the parent of a child or the friend 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.359 of someone that there's just something wrong with them because 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.040 they're you know that maybe that it doesn't even exist, 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.160 this ability, when in fact, it just takes a little 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.840 bit longer. So I think, I know, I'm not really 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.320 answering your question because I'm not sure about hormones, but 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.840 I do know that all of these things come later, 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.439 but the hormones come on time, and so then that 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.959 leads to a lot of emotional dysregulation, right, Like you 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.440 get I got furious just because of my inability to 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.639 regulate my emotions when I was younger, and luckily I 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.160 found a way to take it out without like hitting someone, 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:45.840 but I would get so mad I couldn't even stand it. 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.639 And I'm sure that was the infusion of hormones without 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:49.640 the ability to regulate. 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.560 So you know what it sounds like when one of 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:59.800 my kids, when he was younger, had some of these 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:01.439 is I mean, I don't know that we would have 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.760 necessarily categorized it like this, but there was a book 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.000 that we read that was very helpful called The Highly Intelligent, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.280 Easily Frustrated Child, and it always and what struck me 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:14.560 about that is at the time the indication was my 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:19.959 child was brilliant. Now he is brilliant. But it seems 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.040 to me like a lot of the younger kids I 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:27.080 meet that have some of this condition are actually really bright. 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:31.399 Their minds are very sharp, and whether it's academically sharp 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:35.080 or observationally sharp, or they see the patterns and things 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.080 almost like to the wild extent a rain Man kind 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:39.960 of thing, who could look at the dropped matches and going, 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.720 you know, two hundred and eighty six. But do you 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.760 find that that was part of your experience as well? 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:49.080 And is it generally considered part of dealing with this condition. 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.159 So one of the best things about ADHD is if 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:57.120 you think of your your executive functioner, it's like your CEO, right, 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.000 it's your part of the brain that's your CEO, and 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:03.720 it decides what to take in. And one of the 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.600 reasons we're so distracted is because we take in everything 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.919 we take in. We have more attention than other people. 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:12.160 That's why it's the worst name. 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:12.440 Ever. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.520 We don't know where to focus it or how to 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.359 manage that attention. But because of that, I've always felt 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:22.639 very creative because of all of these things I'm taking 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.359 in and how much input and how much we're processing, 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:30.399 maybe even compared to the neurotypical brain. Just turning it 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.000 around and getting it back out of your mouth or 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.720 a piece of paper can be challenging. But I mean, 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.159 I felt, definitely have felt the same way that like 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.240 every ADHD person that I've spoken to, seems to be 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:46.240 moving at this unbelievable pace that speaks intelligence to me. 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.400 You know, it's so funny that you say, I've never 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:50.280 really talked about. 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:54.840 It except Peter, by the way, I just take yeah, 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:59.040 I love you, okay, not when you you did call it. 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.960 I do feel like I'm taking in tons of information 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.280 all the time, and I'm juggling forty of those things 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:08.760 at any given time. And my wife knows to say, 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.400 did you hear the story about? And I go, yeah, 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.320 and what's that about? And I'll tell her And it's 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.320 not because I want to know it, it's because I 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.760 can't not know. It's really do you have that same 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.719