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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay, Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast, Walking Back Kevan Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Happy Valentine's Day to everybody out there. As I said

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Speaker 1: at the top of the second hour, if you haven't already,

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Speaker 1: you better panic and take care of whatever Valentine's Day

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Speaker 1: plans are necessary in your world. We are joined now

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Speaker 1: by Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the Governor of the Great State

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Speaker 1: of Arkansas. Woo Pig suey and right off the top,

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Speaker 1: hard hitting question. I understand that you are a Chiefs fan, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: Governor Sanders, and I want to know Patrick Mahomes has

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Speaker 1: two Super Bowls? How many more do you think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna win? Oh, that's a good question. I think you know.

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Speaker 1: If he stays healthy, he and the Kansas City Chiefs

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Speaker 1: have a pretty big future ahead. He's young, he makes

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Speaker 1: the game so fun to watch. My husband grew up

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Speaker 1: in Kansas City and his family is still there, and

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Speaker 1: when we started dating, we made an agreement that I

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Speaker 1: would take on all the Kansas City professional teams if

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Speaker 1: he would take on the Arkansas Razorbacks. And so it's

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Speaker 1: worked out really well for me. The Royals have been

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Speaker 1: to a couple of World Series, the Keeps have been

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Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl a few times, and so it's

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Speaker 1: been a great time to be a Kansas City sports fan.

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Speaker 1: And the Razorbacks we've had some good moment So you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a diehard believer that every season is going to

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Speaker 1: be best season, and I'm trying to convince him of

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Speaker 1: that every year, a little bit more each time. So

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Speaker 1: we're all Hogs and all peeps and Royals at our house.

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Speaker 1: For people who haven't been, they're listening to us right now.

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Speaker 1: To Fayetteville, Arkansas. It is a fabulous town, beautiful surroundings,

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Speaker 1: the University of Arkansas fantastic university there, and going to games,

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Speaker 1: either to watch basketball or football in Fayetville is really

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Speaker 1: a heck of a trip. It's one worth making. So

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Speaker 1: that's a I know you've been to a ton, but

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Speaker 1: I would imagine you would endorse that as well one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent. I would say you haven't lived until you

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Speaker 1: have been to Arkansas and experienced a SEC matchup. It

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Speaker 1: is spectacular. Obviously I'm pretty biased, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's anything better than a Saturday football game in Fayetteville

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Speaker 1: and tearing on the Razorbacks. I love our coach. I

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Speaker 1: think he's brought so much energy and excitement to the

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Speaker 1: program and would fully endorse anybody coming to visit for basketball, baseball, football,

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Speaker 1: all of the above. Fayettville is a really great town,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it's nice to live in a state

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Speaker 1: in a way where we don't have professional sports teams.

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Speaker 1: It's like the one unifying thing everyone is a Razorbacks fan.

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Speaker 1: We love the Dogs, no doubt. And you're about to

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Speaker 1: get Oklahoma in Texas into the SEC as well, which

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Speaker 1: is going to be a really fabulous rivalry going forward.

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Speaker 1: And certainly the Hogs have produced a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: out there, like Jerry Jones for instance, who's a monster

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Speaker 1: Razorback fans, owns the Dallas Cowboys. So those Arkansas, Texas

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Speaker 1: connections are real. All right, Let's go to South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: which also has an SEC football program, the Gamecocks. They

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Speaker 1: former governor, Nicky Haley announced earlier today officially that she

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Speaker 1: I imagine you know Nicky Haley pretty well. Sarah she

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Speaker 1: said before, Hey, I'm not going to run for president

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Speaker 1: against Trump. She now is running for governor, running for

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Speaker 1: What do you think about the announcement? How do you

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Speaker 1: see that playing out? You know, I have a good

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Speaker 1: relationship with the governor, and running for office, no matter

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Speaker 1: what it is, whether it is at the highest level

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Speaker 1: or mayor's race level, it's a really personal decision, one

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Speaker 1: I never question anybody's reasoning for getting into a race,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like you have to go to the place,

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Speaker 1: the governor well. I always love having more strong conservative

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Speaker 1: Trump is reacting now that she's officially in the race.

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Speaker 1: You know him pretty well too. Look, he's the most

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Speaker 1: And I think he knows it. No one's taking his

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Speaker 1: because he said, will you please ask Sarah Huckabe Sanders this?

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Speaker 1: Will she be Donald Trump's vice presidential candidate? He wants

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Speaker 1: So how would you respond to Bob and Saint Louis

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Speaker 1: Trump's vice presidential candidate. Look, I'm having the time of

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Speaker 1: my wife. I've been governor for one month and really

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Speaker 1: excited to be here in Arkansas and doing things for

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Speaker 1: serving in this role for eight years if the people

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Speaker 1: campaigned one over the last two years. That's a good answer.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like the answer that you might give from

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Speaker 1: White House. Karnem Jean Pierre is there now. I know

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Speaker 1: there's a certain I would say bonhomie, and that's a

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Speaker 1: I don't know why it came to mind, but sort

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Speaker 1: How would you assess Karine Jean Pierre's performance as an

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Speaker 1: advocate for Joe Biden's administration. You know, I think she's

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Speaker 1: a good story to tell. President Trump was doing phenomenal things.

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Speaker 1: Just here in my home state of Arkansas, we're paying

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Speaker 1: more than double for gas under this president. Our electricity

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Speaker 1: And our border is probably the weakest it's ever been

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Speaker 1: That being said, I think that she could probably do

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Speaker 1: and disseminating those out to the American people. We're talking

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Speaker 1: the well, let me ask you this before. If the

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Speaker 1: have been shot down immediately, it would have never made

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Speaker 1: All Right, you had the ability to respond to the

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Speaker 1: State of the Union address. That's an incredible honor. You

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Speaker 1: very sharp contrast to Joe Biden. We mentioned the University

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Speaker 1: the process right now of working education in with legislation

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Speaker 1: that would create an Education Freedom account. What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: on literacy and changing the game for what that looks like.

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Speaker 1: In our state, we have not done, in my eyes,

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Speaker 1: an acceptable job when it comes to making sure every

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Speaker 1: that through the Arkansas Learns Plan and I think sept

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Speaker 1: Last question for you, it's Valentine's Day. Do you have

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Speaker 1: they have covered their Valentine's Day basis? I would say,

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Speaker 1: Actually went a date early and we had dinner. Lives

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Speaker 1: that is, by the way, Starry, to cut you off,

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Speaker 1: but that is such a veteran move. Go before it's

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Speaker 1: possibly can. People complain she didn't go to the border.

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Speaker 1: My view is the less work she does, the better

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Speaker 1: it is for the country. Yeah, in a weird way,

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Speaker 1: her not doing anything substantive was actually a great form

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Speaker 1: of national service. But I think Pete has been in

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Speaker 1: a very different position. I mean, you look at the

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Speaker 1: software glitches that cause planes in this country to not

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Speaker 1: be able to fly. You look in my home state

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Speaker 1: where I'm talking to you now from in Ohio, trains

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Speaker 1: literally falling off tracks, potentially creating environmental and public health disasters.

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Speaker 1: But talking instead, I mean, I'm not making this up

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Speaker 1: days ago about construction diversity instead obsessing endlessly about climate change.

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Speaker 1: When you know what the things if people are going

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Speaker 1: to die of in this country and that community in

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Speaker 1: Ohio or elsewhere, it's not going to be climate change.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be cancer from spills and chemical spills

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Speaker 1: of infrastructure that's rotting and being poorly manage. And I

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Speaker 1: just think that, look, if I did take a run

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Speaker 1: at this for the twenty twenty four cycle, I'm going

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Speaker 1: after I think some of the sacred cows of our time.

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Speaker 1: I think affirmative action is one sacred cow. I think

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Speaker 1: this climate religion is another. I think we need to

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Speaker 1: take both of them to the slaughterhouse. And the reason

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Speaker 1: that we're not doing it is because we're hiding behind

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Speaker 1: this identitarian view of rewarding people and putting them in

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Speaker 1: positions of power because of the genetic characteristics they inherited

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Speaker 1: on the day they're born, rather than whether or not

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Speaker 1: they're good at the job. And I think there's a

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Speaker 1: separate problem altogether. You know who you didn't asking about.

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Speaker 1: It was Joe Biden, person who we actually elected to

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Speaker 1: the president of the United States. And so the sad

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Speaker 1: part of the people who are really running the show

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Speaker 1: are this managerial bureaucratic class underneath him. And that's the

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Speaker 1: real problems. You don't talk about merit and government. At

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Speaker 1: the very least, let me make sure the people we

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Speaker 1: elect to run the government are the ones who actually

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Speaker 1: run the government, rather than this managerial class that's then

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Speaker 1: staffed by people who are putting their positions voters aren't

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Speaker 1: voters weren't ready to let come aha whether or not

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Speaker 1: you with a black woman, but are appointed to those

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Speaker 1: positions in part because of these non meritocratic criteria. That

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Speaker 1: is a big part of the problem. Last question for you, VVC,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate you hanging out with us here. You

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Speaker 1: were talking about the lack of purpose, the fact that

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Speaker 1: there may not be, necessarily, especially among young people, a

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Speaker 1: cohesive idea of what America is. I'm going to talk

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Speaker 1: on this tomorrow, but I was reading this morning in

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal and I just want to hit

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Speaker 1: you with these numbers. This is the percentage of high

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Speaker 1: school students in the past year who experience persistent feelings

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Speaker 1: of sadness or hopelessness. Fifty seven percent of girls in

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Speaker 1: high school experience that, and thirty percent of girls say

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Speaker 1: they seriously considered attempting suicide. I mean, those are staggering numbers.

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Speaker 1: They are continuing to skyrocket. My theory is of EVEC

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Speaker 1: that it's connected to social media, especially for teenage girls.

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Speaker 1: How do we change this? So look, you're hitting on

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Speaker 1: these are exactly the themes that motivate me to maybe

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Speaker 1: take this next step. There's this wave of depression, anxiety,

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Speaker 1: a mental health epidemic. Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 1: It is because we as human beings are wired to

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Speaker 1: be called to a higher purpose, and so when we

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Speaker 1: lose that sense of purpose and meaning were lost, then

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Speaker 1: we tell that next generation the next thing. That's actually

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Speaker 1: even worse about this as we tell them that you

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Speaker 1: can't talk about it in the open. So now you

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Speaker 1: have a loss of purpose. On one hand, you have

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Speaker 1: a culture that teaches these kids that they can't actually

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Speaker 1: share their true thoughts in the open. That's the new

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Speaker 1: censorious culture that we live in. And then against that backdrop,

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Speaker 1: what does social media do. It takes those and picks

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Speaker 1: at those insecurities and put them on algorithmic steroids. And

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Speaker 1: so my view is, look, if you can't smoke an

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Speaker 1: addictive cigarette until the age of eighteen, I don't think

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Speaker 1: you should be able to use an addictive social media

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Speaker 1: product at least until the age of sixteen. Either. That's

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Speaker 1: our poison point. But I think that it's something that

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Speaker 1: even the principled libertarian I used to identify the libertarian

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Speaker 1: I don't anymore. But even the principled Libertari would say

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Speaker 1: that doesn't that principle of liberty doesn't apply to these kids.

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Speaker 1: Kids should not be able to use addictive, toxic products

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Speaker 1: at least until they're fully developed, at least age sixteen

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Speaker 1: for social media, But that's still just symptomatic therapy. That's

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Speaker 1: still a band aid. That deeper cancer is the loss

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Speaker 1: of purpose, the loss of meaning, the loss of identity.

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Speaker 1: I think we in the conservative movement can do better,

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Speaker 1: and I hope will play a role in whatever way

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Speaker 1: I can in leading us to do better, in filling

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Speaker 1: that void of purpose and then creating a culture where

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Speaker 1: we're actually able to have open conversation again in this

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Speaker 1: country rather than this culture of thought suppression and censorship

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Speaker 1: even in the next generation. Great stuff. As always, How

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Speaker 1: can people find you, Vavec If they've liked what you've

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Speaker 1: said today? Thank You could find me on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Vivek g ramaswamy dot com you know, just spelled the

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Speaker 1: usual way and vic ramiswamy dot com has some information

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Speaker 1: on my books and stay tuned. You know, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be making a decision in the relatively in your term.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it a man, have a good day. Thank you guys,

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Speaker 1: all right, there was a time not long ago that

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton show, giving you a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: heads up. I teased this in a question with Vek Ramaswamy,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna have a big discussion tomorrow about this story.

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Speaker 1: The percentage of high school girls in particular who have

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Speaker 1: either contemplated suicide or experienced persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness.

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Speaker 1: This is an nationwide crisis, and it has been exacerbated

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Speaker 1: by our response to COVID, by the fact that we

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Speaker 1: took kids out of school, by the fact that many

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Speaker 1: parents out there terrified them. I think you combine it

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Speaker 1: with social media. I've never seen anything like it. And

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Speaker 1: I've got three boys, my oldest is fifteen. But this

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Speaker 1: social media era, kids are far less likely to want

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Speaker 1: to engage in person in their free time. They experience

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Speaker 1: don't know what the solution is, but I think for

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Speaker 1: your kids and your grandkids out there, the data is

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Speaker 1: extremely alarming. And I think this woke virus is to

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Speaker 1: a large extent, attaching itself to these young people because

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Speaker 1: they lack purpose in their life, and so they become

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Speaker 1: convinced that they have to rectify some huge wrong which

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Speaker 1: may not even exist. But it's actually not about that

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Speaker 1: issue at all. It's a deep yearning that they have

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Speaker 1: to feel the emptiness inside of them. I really do

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Speaker 1: think this is true, and that's why the woke virus

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Speaker 1: a deep scream for attention and for some form of

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Speaker 1: meaning in their lives. And I just I think it

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Speaker 1: is a major fracturing that has occurred, and I don't

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Speaker 1: preview for one of the things that we will be

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Sarah Huckaby Sanders Top of the Hour was

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Speaker 1: great deep dive into what happened with the Brookings Institute.

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Speaker 1: Coming after this show, Nicki Haley, what does it mean

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Speaker 1: that she's announced for president? Also, inflation has hit six

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Speaker 1: point four percent, and I think that's a significant number

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Speaker 1: because what it suggests is that this number is not

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Speaker 1: coming down anytime soon. And as you contemplate that, what

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Speaker 1: does that mean for your paychecks? What does it mean

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Speaker 1: for your ability to take care of your families? All

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Speaker 1: of that we will discuss as well. But it is

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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day. And by the way, you may hear me

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Speaker 1: coughing a bit here. Every year when I come back

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Speaker 1: from the super Bowl, doesn't matter what year it is,

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Speaker 1: I always have a cold. It's unbelievable. Go to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, a lot of parties, lots of going around,

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Speaker 1: lots of interaction. Every year come back with a cold.

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Speaker 1: I actually think I had COVID the first time right

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Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl in Miami. Do you remember February

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my goodness, this is brutal. I

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Speaker 1: wrong the Biden administration has been. I really doubt that

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Speaker 1: we're going to see an inflationary cycle, almost economic analysts.

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Speaker 1: I believe that it will have a temporary, your transitory impact.

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Speaker 1: Faster than expected, increasing some of those prices is actually

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Speaker 1: a good sign if overwhelming consensus is going to pop

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Speaker 1: one's talking about this great great this is something that

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Speaker 1: will settle down transitory transit. And the data shows that

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Speaker 1: most of the price increases we've seen are we're expected

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Speaker 1: inflation on the way. It's highly unlikely that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: long term. Inflation is going to get out of hand.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who's worried about inflation. They were wrong,

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Speaker 1: They were wrong about all of that. Six point five

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Speaker 1: It suggests again, because most people out there are only

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Speaker 1: at what the long range impact here is of inflation.

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Speaker 1: I promise you that I would let you know how

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Speaker 1: the poll results were going to close out the program

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Speaker 1: right now, and that certainly is fascinating, really difficult question

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Speaker 1: for everybody out there. The one that I was asking

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Speaker 1: is who has done the worst job of the diversity

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Speaker 1: hires in the Biden administration? Is it Kari Jean Pierre?

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Speaker 1: Is it Kamala Harris? Is it Mayor Pete? Over fifty

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Speaker 1: type Kamala Harris gets thirty eight percent of the vote.

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Speaker 1: Mayor Pete thirty six percent of the vote, KJP twenty

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Speaker 1: six percent of the vote. You can still go vote

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Speaker 1: sixty thousand of the men will be back with you

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Speaker 1: tomorrow