WEBVTT - BONUS: Division Breakdowns: Atlantic, Central and Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>You're tuned into Heat Check with Trista Quick.

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<v Speaker 2>On this episode of the Heat Check, it is the

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<v Speaker 2>final division previews Babe for this year in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 2>I break down the Atlantic, the Central, and the Pacific

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<v Speaker 2>divisions with my favorites, my dark horses, and those who

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<v Speaker 2>have their own chance back absolutely none, looking at you, Lakers.

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<v Speaker 2>I recorded this on a recent episode of beut MGM tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and the odds might have changed since then, and I

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<v Speaker 2>am happy to share it all with you.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Nick, let's do me a favor and drop

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<v Speaker 3>that beat.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Trista, it is NBA futures time. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 4>about the Atlantic. So first, let's just get out of

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<v Speaker 4>the way. Are the Knicks winning this division? Do they

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<v Speaker 4>have any chance?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there any reason to take any kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the only way you would say that that

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<v Speaker 2>was possible if they did get Shay this year, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's they're not winning the division.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I would agree, all right, So cross the Knicks

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<v Speaker 4>out of there. Yeah, then it gets real interesting. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't take the Celtics and minus three hundred undred,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't do that. So if you're not taking the

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<v Speaker 4>Celtics right now, what do you think is the best

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<v Speaker 4>player on the board the Sixers at plus six fifty,

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<v Speaker 4>the Raptors at plus seven fifty, or the Nets at

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<v Speaker 4>plus eight fIF.

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<v Speaker 3>That's such a great point.

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<v Speaker 2>And they all have their own problems, right the seventy

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<v Speaker 2>six Ers, yes, like they found their defense. What are

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<v Speaker 2>they They're the fifth best defensive team in all of

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<v Speaker 2>basketball one hundred and nine point four defensive rating. But

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<v Speaker 2>you look at them, they're twenty eighth and scoring like

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<v Speaker 2>they really struggle to score the basketball. It's just Tyree

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<v Speaker 2>s Maxi and Joel Embiids. So in terms of that,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're literally giving up more points than their scoring.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't think that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a possibility for the Sixers to regain the hopes

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<v Speaker 2>that they had coming into the season.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're gonna have to make a move. I

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<v Speaker 3>think they're gonna have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably make a trade, probably have to change a coach

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<v Speaker 2>in order for this to sort of turn around. And plus,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't really know what James Harden is going to

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<v Speaker 2>look like when he comes back.

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<v Speaker 3>He looks he looks good.

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<v Speaker 2>He did, But now when you have another setback for

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<v Speaker 2>a whole month. What do you do, PJ when you're

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<v Speaker 2>sick eat? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you do when you're injured? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And we know James Harden has had a how should

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<v Speaker 2>we say, predilection for yeah, for for eating a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of food. Anyway, he started a steakhouse in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of Houston that had, like I did a whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>on it. It's like lobster inside of a steak, like

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<v Speaker 2>dressed in butter with Fois Gras on top, wrapped in bacon,

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<v Speaker 2>wrapped in something else, and it's like, Yeah, James Harden

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<v Speaker 2>likes to eat. He likes to eat all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But now he's not burning off any calories. So no

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<v Speaker 2>to me for the six, I guess the one that

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<v Speaker 2>I would have to take is Unfortunately theors at plus

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<v Speaker 2>seven fifty, we've got a Pascal Siakam who has been injured.

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<v Speaker 3>Before Pascal was it was got hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>He's averaging highs in every statistical category for his career.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at him, he was averaging twenty five nine

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<v Speaker 2>and eight with a steal and a block per game.

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<v Speaker 2>So like that, coupled with OG, couple with Gary Trent,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone's beating Boston, but they are an

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<v Speaker 2>ankle injury away, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>If something happened to Tatum, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you know anything could happen. And that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what you're vetting on, is that something is going to change.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Malcolm Brogden gets hurt as well, and who knows,

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<v Speaker 2>right like, maybe the setback to Robert Williams is there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I could not in good conscience take the seventy

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<v Speaker 2>six ers. I could not, in good conscience take the

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<v Speaker 2>Brooklyn Nets, even though they are playing really good defense.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that they are going to bring back Kyrie.

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<v Speaker 1>Irving and that's.

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<v Speaker 3>What makes me very leary about taking that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what makes this so interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Kyrie's the whole wild card because right now they're at

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<v Speaker 4>plus eight fifty. If Kyrie comes back, do you think

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<v Speaker 4>the odds stay the same? Do you think they go higher?

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<v Speaker 3>I go higher?

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<v Speaker 1>You think they go higher like plus one thousand?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh No, I think it's lower or.

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<v Speaker 1>Something like that plus six fifty, Because that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to ask you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if Kyrie comes back, I don't know how you

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<v Speaker 4>can touch the Nets. I think they're almost better off without.

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<v Speaker 2>I think They honestly are a better defensive basketball team,

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt. And here's another thing that you could say

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<v Speaker 2>to yourself, all right, why why would I want.

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<v Speaker 3>To maybe bet on the nets? You still have yet

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<v Speaker 3>to get back TJ. Warren.

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<v Speaker 2>He hasn't come back from injury yet. Yes, Kyrie is out,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe that's a good thing. Edmund Sumner I just

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<v Speaker 2>did a piece on him today for the heat Check,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's been actually really good as a starting point

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<v Speaker 2>guard for them instead of Kyrie Irving, really good defender,

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<v Speaker 2>shooting forty percent from three, getting you know, has one

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<v Speaker 2>of the lowest turnover assistant turnover ratio in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody's just sort of playing together as a team. Now, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you still have to incorporate Joe Harris back into the offense.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got to get into rhythm. Seth Curry has got

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<v Speaker 2>to get into rhythm. Nick Claxton he has to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of find his identity. And who knows, maybe you're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like betting on Maybe's right.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't bet on the knowns.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe you're thinking to yourself, something happens with Ben

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<v Speaker 2>Simmons and he comes back in. But I've been burned

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<v Speaker 2>by Ben Simmons enough times for me to really put

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<v Speaker 2>my hard earned dollars on that team that he is on.

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<v Speaker 4>We were obviously a little down on the Celtics to

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<v Speaker 4>start the year with not having e May and just

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<v Speaker 4>regression from making the finals and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, what are the best the league right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it Milwaukee?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's Milwaukee by a lot. By a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Milwaukee fully healthy. We haven't even seen them

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<v Speaker 2>fully healthy all year. They've like lost twice, three times maybe,

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<v Speaker 2>and those games there were players missing from all of them.

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<v Speaker 3>We have not seen Middleton at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Jannie has set out some games, Drew has set out

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<v Speaker 2>some games. Pat Conington has not played, Joe Ingles has

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<v Speaker 2>not played.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you don't even have half of the roster that

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<v Speaker 3>you want.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's whispers that they're gonna go get Jay Crowder.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that the Bucks are by far and

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<v Speaker 2>away the best team in the league right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think it's the right time now to jump

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<v Speaker 4>in on the Raptors? Do you think you can get

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<v Speaker 4>better value on them at some point? Do you forego

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<v Speaker 4>this great question? Seeing the Celtics continue to win games

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<v Speaker 4>they go to like sixteen and five or something like that,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the plus seven to fifty becomes like a

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<v Speaker 4>plus twelve hundred or would you jump on the seven

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<v Speaker 4>to fifty right now with Toronto?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think probably waiting throughout Pascal Siakam's injury

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<v Speaker 2>is important. Let's go ahead and look at the Raptors

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<v Speaker 2>schedule because that actually matters.

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<v Speaker 3>And you look at maybe like.

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<v Speaker 2>After a big long road trip out west or something,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>They believe we just got ruffed up by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, Cleveland just got roughed up. So they're at home

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, out home until basically, you know, Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 2>is over.

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<v Speaker 1>Tough schedule coming up, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then after that they have to play the Pelicans, the Celtics. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they have some like games, right, they get

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<v Speaker 2>some games. Maybe you hold off, You hold off until

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they're a stretch against the Suns, the Bucks, the Knicks,

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of games against the Hawks and the Bucks.

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<v Speaker 3>Again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think you gotta wait till January.

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<v Speaker 2>I think January is probably a really good look because

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<v Speaker 2>then they end up going west.

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<v Speaker 3>To go play the Blazers. The Sun's the Jazz.

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<v Speaker 2>February fifth, when they lose to the Grizzlies, and Boston

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<v Speaker 2>has been just cool, chilling. Maybe you wait till the

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<v Speaker 2>All Star break, but if I had to do anything,

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<v Speaker 2>I would play I would play them.

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<v Speaker 4>We talked about the Atlantic Division last hour. Now we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to talk about the Central Division, and we have

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<v Speaker 4>another heavy favorite, the Milwaukee Bucks minus two to seventy

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<v Speaker 4>five to win the division. They are ten and three

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<v Speaker 4>on the season. The Cleveland Cavaliers eight and five. They

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<v Speaker 4>are plus two hundred, Chicago Bulls six and eight, they

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<v Speaker 4>are twenty to one, and then the Pacers and the

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<v Speaker 4>Pistons they are both two fifty to one to win

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<v Speaker 4>the division. First off, are you worried at all about

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<v Speaker 4>Cleveland losing four games in a row? Obviously never a

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<v Speaker 4>good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Weak division, very weak division. Pacers stink, Piston stink, bull

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<v Speaker 2>stink like. So yeah, I mean it's a two horse race.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody's.

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<v Speaker 3>Beating the Bucks. I don't think anybody's beating them period,

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<v Speaker 3>let alone in the division.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a little odd though, don't you think that

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<v Speaker 2>the Celtics are minus three hundred and the Bucks probably

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<v Speaker 2>the best team in the league's only minus two to seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>So respect they have for Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 2>That's respect that they have for Cleveland, that's respect that

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<v Speaker 2>they have for Boston. Right the Boston obviously is getting

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of respect from the market. I do think

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<v Speaker 2>that there are some issues with the Cavs because if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at Darius Garland with Donovan Mitchell, he just

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<v Speaker 2>really and he got hit in the eye and he

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<v Speaker 2>broke his orbital bone and his eyes still very swollen

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<v Speaker 2>and doesn't look like he's functioning well.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a huge game.

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<v Speaker 2>The other night, but it was without Donovan Mitchell, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he had fifty one, two and six, but

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<v Speaker 2>before that fifteen points, six points, sort of all over

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<v Speaker 2>the place.

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<v Speaker 3>Couple of good games twenty nine and twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's turned the ball over a lot, and Donovan

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<v Speaker 2>Mitchell obviously has sort of taken over in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>what he's been doing. And I said this before, like

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<v Speaker 2>when you watch the end of Cavs games, the offense

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<v Speaker 2>just does not run smooth. They just don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>to get it to not turn the ball over.

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<v Speaker 3>They bring it up, two guards bring it up. They're

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<v Speaker 3>kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Both like sort of running in synchrony. One has the ball,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't really matter who. They wait for a high screen

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<v Speaker 2>from either Jared Allen or Evan Mobley that usually draws

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<v Speaker 2>a double team and not a switch that that other

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<v Speaker 2>you know, big man that is on Jared Allen or

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<v Speaker 2>Evan Mobley sort of shades over to the other guard

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<v Speaker 2>that does not have the ball, and they basically play

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<v Speaker 2>dB and they pick off that pass and they get

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<v Speaker 2>out in transition. It's like clockwork, and they're making errant

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<v Speaker 2>passes and they're making passes to guys that shouldn't be shooting,

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<v Speaker 2>like Karris Lavert. And I love Kevin Love, but sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>he needs to sort of stay in his place. Isaac

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<v Speaker 2>Accorro is not a great shooter. There's a good team,

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<v Speaker 2>but I am concerned about this team down the stretch

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<v Speaker 2>of games. And that's in critical games. That's a non

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<v Speaker 2>critical games. Yeah, if you look at what the Cavs

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<v Speaker 2>have done in their schedule, they lost to the Kings

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<v Speaker 2>in this fashion, Warriors they lost to the Warriors in

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<v Speaker 2>this fashion. They lost to the Clippers in this fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was three games in a row that they

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<v Speaker 2>did that. They lost to the Timberwolves in that fashion

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<v Speaker 2>as well, they sort of came back at the end

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<v Speaker 2>with no Donovan Mitchell. But listen, like they beat the

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<v Speaker 2>Lakers as they should, they beat the Pistons as they should.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye had two huge wins against the Celtics.

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<v Speaker 4>Trist that's a great point. They have one win this

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<v Speaker 4>season that hasn't been Every other win has been nine

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<v Speaker 4>points or more. Yeap, They're kind of like the Bills.

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<v Speaker 4>They either win by double digits, so they can't win

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<v Speaker 4>one score games, right like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they have literally one good win and that

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<v Speaker 2>was against the Celtics.

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<v Speaker 1>I never really in ot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so if.

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<v Speaker 2>It come down to it, and they're allowing leads to

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<v Speaker 2>just evaporate as well, Cavaliers were up.

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<v Speaker 3>Going into the fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they were up thirteen points, well four minutes

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<v Speaker 2>to go, and it was a seventeen to one run.

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<v Speaker 4>Why do you think that is that Cleveland just can't

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<v Speaker 4>close out this game. Do you think just Garland and

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<v Speaker 4>Mitchell are these players yet?

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's some guys that are getting a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit too. You know, they're watching the lead slip away

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<v Speaker 2>and then they're starting to feel the pressure of it

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<v Speaker 2>and they're pressing a little bit instead of just getting

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<v Speaker 2>into their actions. They're not making the extra pass, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not getting their bigs involved, right, which they should.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know you've got a lot of hero ball.

0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Darius Garland has always played hero ball and Donovan Mitchell

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<v Speaker 2>has always played hero ball. And I think that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of at the end of games does not bode well,

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<v Speaker 2>especially against good teams.

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<v Speaker 4>If so, if you weren't to take the Bucks or

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<v Speaker 4>the Calves, you would take you would take the Bulls.

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<v Speaker 4>If you couldn't take the top two, would you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even think there's any conversation. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>could make a they could make a move for someone not.

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<v Speaker 4>Even a flyer, because even if you throw, you know

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<v Speaker 4>who are going to get three dollars on the Pacers

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<v Speaker 4>that can win you seven hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>No shot fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know what the Pacers want to do. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you do, but I know, And Jake

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<v Speaker 2>Fisher alluded to this. You know, the Pacers want to

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<v Speaker 2>be a top five draft pick team. Like they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to compete down the first you know, half of the season,

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<v Speaker 2>two thirds of the season, and at the All Star break,

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<v Speaker 2>at the trade deadline, they will move their expiring pieces

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<v Speaker 2>and then they will fall to the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>earth like they will just pew. There is absolutely no

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<v Speaker 2>shot that the Pacers would win this division, especially considering

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<v Speaker 2>that the Bucks have multiple guys that are really good

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<v Speaker 2>and guys that are coming back from injury as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know that the Pacers don't want to win

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<v Speaker 2>this division. That would be an epic failure. I think

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<v Speaker 2>for them Pistons, they are another team that I think

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<v Speaker 2>is fun. They're trying, but they're definitely not in the

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<v Speaker 2>mix for it either. I think Dwayne Casey is sort

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<v Speaker 2>of more on the mix for the hot seat and

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<v Speaker 2>the Bulls. They just don't have enough pieces. Like Vooch

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<v Speaker 2>isn't playing defense, he never really has. We've got basically

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Crusoe and no Lonzo, who knows when he's coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just no reason to bet anybody else be that

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<v Speaker 2>besides those two, in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you surprised that the Pistons have been this bad

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<v Speaker 4>to start the season?

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<v Speaker 3>I am. At the end of the day. Jade and

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<v Speaker 3>Ivy's very reckless player.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like a Jah Morant, but not as good his

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<v Speaker 2>decision making qualities like Jamorant but he can't do the

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<v Speaker 2>thing the potential.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can see there's flashes.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a very up and down kid versus say of

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<v Speaker 2>Keegan Murray, who's more of an emotionally stable kid. Like

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<v Speaker 2>not to say, I mean just on the basketball court,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to say about anything else, like more

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<v Speaker 2>steady in terms of like the highs and lows of

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<v Speaker 2>the game we saw against Saint Peter's and that same

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<v Speaker 2>kid exists. Now.

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<v Speaker 4>The Bulls, you know, they're kind of just stuck where

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<v Speaker 4>like the Wizards are. They They're like not bad enough

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<v Speaker 4>to tank and like be in complete rebuild, but they're

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<v Speaker 4>not like great enough to contend and win a championship. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they're just they're stuck in a really better they need.

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<v Speaker 3>They should really make a move, you know, for more.

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<v Speaker 2>Picks or pieces, try to get some boy that can

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<v Speaker 2>help them, like a Yaka Pearl prediction time, Yaka Purl

0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:05.800
<v Speaker 2>will be the bell of the ball. If the Spurs

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<v Speaker 2>are looking to move him, which you know you've heard

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<v Speaker 2>that they are, Yaka Purl will have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>team shooters going after him because he's double digit rebound guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He can do a bunch of things offensively, defensively, very versatile,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, very long able to do that type of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Would you feel more confident about Boston winning the Atlantic

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<v Speaker 4>or Milwaukee winning the Central Milwaukee?

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<v Speaker 1>Really?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, nobody else is going to win, all right, Trista.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go to the Pacific Division though. This one I

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<v Speaker 4>think is the most intriguing because you have some heavyweights

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<v Speaker 4>in this one, the Suns, the Warriors, the Clippers, the Kings,

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<v Speaker 4>and the Lakers. Sons are the favorite. They're eight and

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<v Speaker 4>five on the season, minus one forty five to win

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<v Speaker 4>the division. Warriors they are six and eight on the year,

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<v Speaker 4>they're plus three hundred twin. Clippers are eight and six,

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<v Speaker 4>they are also plus three hundred twin. The Kings six

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<v Speaker 4>and six plus sixty six hundred to win the division.

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<v Speaker 4>And then oh, the Lakers three and ten. They are

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<v Speaker 4>eighty to one to win the Pacific. Just go ahead

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<v Speaker 4>and take the Lakers and thank me later.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's maybe the grossest thing I've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we're obviously not doing that. This is an interesting

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<v Speaker 4>division though, because the Suns, I'm not laying minus one

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<v Speaker 4>forty five with them. The Warriors, you know they're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>turn it around. But you know they can't win a

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<v Speaker 4>road game.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. You're gonna lay the one forty five at the.

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<v Speaker 3>Sun No, I'm not. I okay, I sixty six to what?

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<v Speaker 1>You're just all right?

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<v Speaker 4>Look, Ryan Horvat has the Packers, you have the Kings. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>you need to go easy.

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<v Speaker 3>On the sixty six to one.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not winning the division?

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<v Speaker 3>Sixties.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you see all the teams ahead of them, they're

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<v Speaker 4>not winning the division?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I understand that. Let's not standings.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just know neither of the Clippers and then and

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<v Speaker 2>the Clippers are three to one.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I agree, it's the Warriors of the Suns.

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<v Speaker 3>The Warriors right now are gonna be fine. We know this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna continue to say it because the more I

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<v Speaker 2>say it, the more they lose.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and it's been tremendous.

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<v Speaker 2>The Suns are eight and five, the Kings are six

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<v Speaker 2>and six, the Warriors six and eight, Lakers obviously three

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<v Speaker 2>and ten. They're completely out of it. But the Kings

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<v Speaker 2>aren't that far behind. They just need to win the

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<v Speaker 2>conference to win the division. Literally, they just doesn't. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't even need to do anything, just win games. Just

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<v Speaker 2>Kings win the games, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Much easier said than done, though.

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<v Speaker 2>Clippers are going to continue to fall. I can't believe

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<v Speaker 2>the Clippers are eight and six. Actually, that doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Much worse than that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's probably this, it's probably the Son.

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<v Speaker 4>It probably is to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna win road games eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Sons won the Pacific Division last year and

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<v Speaker 2>the year before that, so I mean, I don't the

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<v Speaker 2>Warriors can still be a you're right, yeah, you're the

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<v Speaker 2>Pacific Division. That's probably why the Suns. The Suns are

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<v Speaker 2>more well equipped to get out in front, in a lead.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem with the Warriors is that, you know, by

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<v Speaker 2>the time I think they figure it out, there's not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be that many games left. Right, And that's fine

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<v Speaker 2>in the playoffs because you start fresh and it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter as long as the Warriors are a

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<v Speaker 2>six seed or better, it doesn't really change a thing

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<v Speaker 2>for them.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're gonna win this division. I just

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna take too long for the role players to

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<v Speaker 2>show up. We've got a full on panic mode on

0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Warriors Twitter because the role players aren't very good. They

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<v Speaker 2>just sent James Wiseman down to the G League. PJ

0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.439
<v Speaker 2>just sent him down to the G League. Patrick Baldman

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<v Speaker 2>Junior is in the G League.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it too early to call Wiseman a bus Not

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<v Speaker 1>to me?

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<v Speaker 3>You, I mean, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>What a skilled seven footer he is. He's been injured.

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<v Speaker 3>I go on Memphis every week and they were saying that.

0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.679
<v Speaker 2>It's the Warrior's fault because they put all this pressure

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<v Speaker 2>on him to compete right away and he's been injured

0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.040
<v Speaker 2>and he only played three games in college. But like, yeah,

0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.360
<v Speaker 2>the Warriors probably shouldn't probab shouldn't dress someone who played

0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.840
<v Speaker 2>three games in college probably should And who has you know,

0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.600
<v Speaker 2>who's a big man? Because big man we know this.

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<v Speaker 2>They develop in a different way than guards. They take

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<v Speaker 2>too long. They take not too long, but they are

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<v Speaker 2>slower to develop. Yeah, you kind of want to get

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<v Speaker 2>a big man that's like been in college for a

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<v Speaker 2>few years, not a guy who played three games and

0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.360
<v Speaker 2>then got suspended. But the Warriors, with all the role

0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.760
<v Speaker 2>player issues that they have, they lost Gary Payton, they

0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.720
<v Speaker 2>lost Otto Porter, they lost b A. Leecha, they lost

0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Damian Lee, they lost a host of want to scount

0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:28.800
<v Speaker 2>on Anderson. They lost like six or seven guys that

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<v Speaker 2>really got rotation minutes.

0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:31.520
<v Speaker 3>It would all hasn't played yet.

0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Klay Thompson will be fine, but you just need other

0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.639
<v Speaker 2>guys off the bench to do things. And by the

0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 2>time they figure out who that is, Moses Moody hasn't

0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.520
<v Speaker 2>been very good. Kaminga hasn't been very good. I don't

0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.360
<v Speaker 2>know that there's gonna be enough games left for them

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<v Speaker 2>to catch up.

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<v Speaker 4>You've sold me on the Warriors. I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they're out of the hunt. They you know,

0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.400
<v Speaker 4>regular season games. When you've won as many championships as

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<v Speaker 4>they do, you know how to kind of save your

0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.000
<v Speaker 4>energy a little bit, navigate the regular seasons.

0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.480
<v Speaker 3>More of an exploring day, not a scoring day.

0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.520
<v Speaker 4>He saw that too throughout Lebron's career, like when he

0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.520
<v Speaker 4>was young in Cleveland. Always wanted to get that one seed.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm with you the Warriors. You sold me there, Clippers,

0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, I mean, Kawhi is just you can't trust

0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:12.679
<v Speaker 4>them to stay healthy. No, they're not going to win

0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:13.480
<v Speaker 4>enough games.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess outside of the Suns, if there was a

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<v Speaker 1>bet to be made, I guess the King. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>So just for pure value.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, no, you're right see six to one.

0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Because they have depth. So if guys are out, like

0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:26.440
<v Speaker 1>they can plug and plays.

0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Paul's been injured, DeAndre Ayton is it has been up

0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:34.160
<v Speaker 2>and down. Jay Crowder wants to be traded. Cam Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>out for a couple of months. Like why not the

0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Kings at sixty six to one?

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<v Speaker 1>The Kings that call right King?

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<v Speaker 3>Why not my Kings?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I like that?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, they're balling sixty six to one, PJ. Can

0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:51.200
<v Speaker 2>you imagine dollars? I might do that when I that

0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:52.040
<v Speaker 2>they're cooking?

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<v Speaker 1>You really like the Kings?

0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:54.000
<v Speaker 3>I didn't score?

0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Can they defend it all?

0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? In crunch time they put Steph in prison. Really

0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.199
<v Speaker 2>like they blocked Steph. Steph in the fourth quarter the

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<v Speaker 2>last game against the Kings.

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<v Speaker 3>He he was sitting there.

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<v Speaker 2>With twenty seven points and I needed him to get thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>He came in with like seven minutes left. He did

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<v Speaker 2>not score another point.

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<v Speaker 3>PJ. It was out of this world.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was really really good. I mean so when

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<v Speaker 2>they when they need to, the Kings can lock down.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not like a defensive powerhouse for all forty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>But when they need to, they can.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you had to make a play, would you

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<v Speaker 4>play the Raptors plus seven to fifty to win the

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<v Speaker 4>Atlantic or the Kings sixty six to one win the Pacific?

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<v Speaker 3>Why not both? Why not both?

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<v Speaker 2>It's true?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably the Kings, probably the King you sold.

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<v Speaker 1>You know they're six and six, the Suns are eight

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<v Speaker 1>and five. Yeah, I mean it was strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Things back, Strange things they get go on a run,

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<v Speaker 2>strange he get Murray gets into scoring twenty five, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seven a night, he had deer in fire, scoring thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>got Malik off the bench, and Malik Monk off the bench,

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<v Speaker 2>scoring sixteen seventeen. Davion Mitchell's locking guys down, Kevin Herder's coming,

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<v Speaker 2>He's in the rotation, can score twenty. You've got like

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<v Speaker 2>just multiple guys that can shoot, multiple guys.

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<v Speaker 3>That can do things.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I didn't even mention him on a

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<v Speaker 2>Sabonis he assist Powerhouse, getting twenty down in the block,

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<v Speaker 2>starting to shoot threes again. If he becomes the sniper

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<v Speaker 2>Sabonis that we know who knew him to be in Indiana, watchout.

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<v Speaker 1>They almost have like too many guys.

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<v Speaker 3>They have a lot of guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I just said a bunch of names, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Trey Lyles, like a bunch of dudes off the bench

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