1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Crumb Round Up. I'm Cheryl McCollum and 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: I am joined as always with the one and only 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Nancy Grays. 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning, good morning. You know you know 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 2: what I just just at the moment I was saying 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: good morning, I had a flashback. Okay for me, it 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: sounds like a bad flashback, but it's not. Okay, I 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: had a flashback where first thing in the morning I 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: would have to be in court. Now I've told you 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: this part before. I never had any money, even though 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: I had two night jobs, right, I taught you two 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: jobs in Georgia. What did I teach? I taught business 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 2: law because you know, I had worked at the Federal 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: Trade Commission, and I taught in the undergrad trial strategy 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: and technique, I think it's what they called it in 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: the law school at both at night and the DA's 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: office during the day. Okay, So I would get there 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: in the morning, I still had no money. I could 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: not pay. I never had a dollar bill for coffee 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: never ever, ever, so i'd have to go in and 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: mootch it off. The judges chambers and the judge's secretary 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: would totally give me the stink because you know, I'm 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: sure everybody else is pitching in beside me. When I 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: would go to the grocery store, I would buy Houston 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: a coffee or creamer or something because I could put 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: it on a credit card, right, you know, I would 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: take that about every couple of weeks, you know, is 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: that what peace offering? But anyway, usually to avoid the embarrassment, 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: I would go into court with no coffee. I just 30 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: have some water at the water fountain, so it would 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: be first thing in the morning. Imagine going in front 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: of jewelry and having to think with any coffee, any tea, anything. 33 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: And so of course, as you know, we are waiting 34 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: for a hurricane to hit. And I've had one swallow 35 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: of tea before you. 36 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 3: Said, ry, oh, here we go, and I had the 37 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: flashback of you know, they had those swinging doors, those 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 3: swoosh stores that wouldn't make any noise, you know, when 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: somebody would come in and out of court, I'd swing 40 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: those swoosh doors and I won't be feeling like hell 41 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 3: on wheels and everybody turn around and go, oh, hell, here. 42 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: Here we go speaking to hurricanes. 43 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: Here she comes, and this is just enough. Right here 44 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: Sean comes. I guess that's what you want to talk about. 45 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: You know, you want to talk about him a little 46 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: too much, Cheryl. And you always ask me the details 47 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: of the free coughs. Why, Okay, well listen, but that said, 48 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: go ahead, speaking of things she does now that she 49 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,559 Speaker 2: brought off the free coughs. 50 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: Nancy exactly without coffee or key. 51 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: But here's the deal. 52 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: I had kind of this thing popping my head too, 53 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: this memory. And you may or may not remember this, 54 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: but you taught me something I used to love a rolodex. 55 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: I loved it to put the person's name and phone 56 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: number and address, of course, but you could also put 57 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: little notes, like to remind you whether it was a 58 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: birthday or some type of the anniversary or something unique 59 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: to that person. Well, I don't have a great handwriting, 60 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: and sometimes that wasn't the best thing for me to 61 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: try to write a whole bunch of stuff. I was 62 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: in your office. 63 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: You had the biggest rolodex. 64 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: As I've ever seen in my life, and one day 65 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: you were trying to contact somebody and you spun that 66 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: thing like a ferris wheel. And what I noticed you 67 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: had taken the actual business card of people and stapled 68 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: it right onto the card instead of transferring it. 69 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: I did not have time to write anything down. It's 70 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: too busy trying to write. You know. I found oh, 71 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: you know, do you remember Clint Rutcker. 72 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: Oh, of course he. 73 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 2: He tried the big teacher cheating scandal. 74 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 4: It's all over the Nationalist and then he helped try 75 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 4: he's either sole league or oh counsel on texts, what 76 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 4: is that guy that killed his wife? 77 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: The rich guy killed his wife? Did a giant basically 78 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: yard selled some mcgiver a fancy boutique text McIver. The partner, 79 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: I guess was a King of Spalding. Who I bet 80 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: they were proud. The other day Clint Rutger had been 81 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: going through because you know, it was either moving offices 82 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 2: or something. He found like fifty or sixty of my 83 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: opening and closing statements hand written Cheryl, of course, stuck 84 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: in one of his boxes. I don't know why they 85 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 2: were in his boxes, but he's probably been using them. 86 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: I'd like to write everything out word for word, for 87 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: openings and clothings. Of course I wouldn't read, but I 88 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: think writing it out helped me remember it. But I 89 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: did not have time to write anything on a Rolodex 90 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: card Well. 91 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: Clint Rutger, you know, he's one of those folks that 92 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: I bonded with pretty quick, but mostly because both of 93 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: our families from Vienna, Georgia. So we had such a 94 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: good time talking about you know, summers spent there with 95 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: grandparents at all. 96 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: Why can't people understand it's Vienna, Georgia, in Vienna in Europe. 97 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: I don't understand their problem. I tell you everyone, Actually 98 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: we don't know how to talk. 99 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: But you know that Rolodex. Getting back to puff Daddy, 100 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: it's the power. The power people I think that are 101 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: going to eventually be connected and named because you think 102 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: of that rolodand nowadays it's that cell phone. But think 103 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: who is in that cell phone of his and his 104 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: assistance and his bodyguards. I mean, I think it's going 105 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: to be who's who of witnesses when this thing goes 106 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: to trial. 107 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: Well here's the other thing, speaking of Relodex or a 108 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: little black book or a cell phone data point. You know, 109 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: we never did get that quote little black book from 110 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 2: Gilain Maxwell. That never happened. So I'm just wondering will 111 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: we ever ever get it wasn't public and if the 112 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: fats haven't they're not doing anything with it on apstain, but. 113 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: I think in order to convict Diddy, they're going to 114 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: have to call some people. 115 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 2: Well, they've got all his compatriots that are they're not 116 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: listed by name, but they are in the indictment. Assistance, bodyguards, producers. 117 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: I mean, they would produce the free comps, Sheryl. It's 118 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: not like they just go everybody's start having sex with 119 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: each other. Well, that's not the way to put it. 120 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: They were raping each other. They were raping the women. 121 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: But I understand that all of them are named generally 122 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: in the indictment, not specifically yet. We won't know that 123 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: until we see the list of witnesses, which I'm sure 124 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: the state has but they haven't released yet. I was 125 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: just thinking about these charges and about all the names 126 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: flying around. I'm looking forward to watching fifty cent Fitty 127 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: Special on Netflix because he's had beef with Combs for 128 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: a really long time. I think it started over a woman. 129 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: But that said, my daughter we were talking at the 130 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: supper table last night, and this is pertinent. We're talking 131 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: about different people that might be dragged into this as witnesses, 132 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: high profile stars, and one of the things we're talking 133 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: about tonight on Crime Stories is why are they so silent? 134 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: Why isn't anybody coming forward? And I bring it on 135 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: a PR guru to just talk briefly about why they're 136 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: keeping their distance. My daughter, Lucy, they're talking about Diddy 137 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: and I was talking about Eminem. She was telling me 138 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: about a star that was sitting beside him. Oh, it 139 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: was Mike Tyson. Diddy puts his hand on Tyson's thigh. No, no, 140 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: he put his hand under according to Lucy from what 141 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: she recalls, under his leg. You know when you sit 142 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: down sometimes, and some people took their hands under their thighs, 143 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: and Tyson overtly grabbed his hand, lifted it up, threw 144 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 2: it back at him, and then splid away from him. 145 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: If you read the book reportedly by Kim Porter, who 146 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: had several children by Combs, I'm not a shrink Cheryl, 147 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: as we all know, but it makes me wonder. She 148 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: makes it very clear that he wanted sex with men. 149 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: Do I care, No, So many things I care about 150 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: that is not one of them. But I guess he 151 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: didn't want the world to know that, so a lot 152 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: of their arguments were about that, And it makes me 153 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: wonder if there was some hatred of women or hatred 154 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: of the fact then the rat world he couldn't be gay, 155 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: or couldn't be out at as gay. I don't know. 156 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: I don't know any of that, But if you believe 157 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: this book is by her, then it seems like a 158 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 2: lot of his hatred toward women came from that. 159 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: I've seen the same video and not only does he 160 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: overtly move his hand, he sits up and turns at 161 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: an angle. So it can happen again. But you know, Nancy, 162 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: We've had people for years try to tell us, I mean, 163 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: fifty cents, try to tell us. Kat Williams has tried 164 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: to tell us ice Cube has now come out. I 165 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: mean people, this was like this secret that everybody knew. 166 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: Well, it ain't a secret anymore because all of this 167 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: will be part of the case that goes forward. Many 168 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: people are discussing will there be a plea? A lot 169 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: of court watchers say no, because any plea with the Feds, 170 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: because they've gotten him lock stock and spoken barrel. But 171 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 2: all of that is going to come out at trial. 172 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: And people that say will there be a guilty plea, 173 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Any guilty plea is going to be 174 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: a substantial period of time. I'm talking twenty at least, 175 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 2: twenty behind bars at least, and court watchers are saying, well, 176 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: he will never plead to that. That's too long. Think 177 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: about it. On each count it's twenty. The Feds could 178 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: run it twenty on twenty on twenty on twenty consecutively, 179 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: which is a lot. Thing I like to do after 180 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: trying a case is get a good old life plus 181 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: twenty plus twenty con. 182 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: Sick absolutely, And you know, here's the deal. We've got 183 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: eleven victims that have come forward so far. Now that 184 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: his bond has been denied a second time, I believe 185 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: there's going to be more. 186 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, well the eleventh victims now come forward. Oh uh oh, 187 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: he's in do do now? You know why Gloria all 188 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 2: read yeah baby l no. Do you not mess with 189 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: her like that's a nightmare. You you know, barely tap 190 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: somebody's back fender and traffic and Gloria already gets out. 191 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: You better run better, rob, she will be coming out. 192 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: And I got to tell you a story about Gloria Alred. 193 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: A lot of people claim they don't like their her, 194 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: or they mock her. You know what, Frank Clay, They're 195 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: just jealous. They're jealous. I remember recovering Scott Peterson case, 196 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 2: and at that time I didn't have John David and 197 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: want to see wasn't married, didn't and I just lived 198 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: out there. I guess, I don't know, three or four 199 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: months for Court TV. That's when I had my colony 200 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: of aunt friends in my hotel room. But I would 201 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: be so tired at night. I wouldn't even be too 202 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: tired to even call and complain about them. Then we 203 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: became friends. There were like two hundred of them crawling 204 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: up my wall every night. And out there I would 205 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: see Gloria every day. We often would sit together in 206 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: court when she had time to sit in court. She's 207 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: a busy lady, and I can tell you if she 208 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: would be their first thing. In the morning, we'd get 209 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: to the courthouse about the same time. It wouldn't even 210 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: be light yet. And at night, when I would be 211 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: driving away having been in court all day, done the 212 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: afternoon Court TV show what was it? Then trial heat 213 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: or closing arguments, and then the Acha Lenin Show, and 214 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: then the Larry King show. Larry ended at ten, everybody'd 215 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: be gone. It was a tense city outside the courthouse. 216 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 2: I'd be driving away and there'd be Gloria Allreads standing 217 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 2: there and her expensive and beautiful Saint John suit. And 218 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: she would be standing like at a stop sign or something, 219 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: not leaning against it. Let me be clear, standing up 220 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: right at some corner light. She's going to get picked up. 221 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: Maybe all of her stuff, her briefcase documents around her 222 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: at her feet. And she would be and this's you know, 223 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: ten o'clock at night Eastern. She'd be working two cell phones, 224 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: you know, just going at it. And I also got 225 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: to know her daughter, Lisa Bloom at Court TV. Remember 226 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: she was an anchor there, very nice lady. And I 227 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: now she's now in practice with her mom. I believe. Now, Gloria, David, 228 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: does you know Gloria Art Shut up, David. Did you 229 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 2: know Gloria already is representing one of the victims of OSSOLR. 230 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: I know we all ran a head because Gloria, we'll 231 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: get you. She will jerking night in your neck. 232 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: And you know, she reminds me of you. And this 233 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: is what I tell people. Be concerned about the person 234 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: that don't get tired. I'm just telling you they got 235 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: nothing else to do twenty four to seven than to 236 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: make a case against you. 237 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: This used to job David crazy on Sundays because he 238 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: in a mode he traveled all the time. He would 239 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: leave town on Sunday night and get back on Friday night, 240 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: maybe as an investment banker. All I didn't even know 241 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: where he was half the time. And I did care 242 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: deeply because I was hungry. I wanted somebody to take 243 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: me very hungry. Great, and I wanted some coffee. But 244 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: you are not part of this. Quit talking. But on Sundays, 245 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: nothing would make me happier, you know, one of the 246 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 2: few days, well you've got to be together. Then being 247 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: at the law library at the courthouse working on Monday's case. 248 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: Nobody else would be in there, be totally quiet. I 249 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: couldn't even get all the lights to work. It'd be 250 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: partially dark in there. And I would go and I 251 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: remember the window it's in the it was in the 252 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: new administration building, and look out on the city, and 253 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: I think that defense attorney's out there. He's watching football 254 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: by right now, he's kicked up, having a beer. He 255 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: doesn't know I'm in a law library. Get him good tomorrow. 256 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. 257 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: My son Huck played lacrosse for the University of Alabama, 258 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: and sometimes he would say, I'm just too tired after practice, 259 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: you know. He would always say, but the first thing 260 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: I think of when I don't feel like going to 261 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: the weight room after practice is what is my opponent doing? 262 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: And he would get up and go to the weight 263 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: room as tired as he might be, because he knew, 264 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, my opponent's working out, they're getting ready. So 265 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, I watched you. I watched you 266 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: from dark to dark, work without being tired, without complaining. 267 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: So I'm just telling you that eleventh victim, when she 268 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: talks about how we drugged her and then filmed it, 269 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: it's funny to me that he's afraid now getting ploys 270 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: and in prison, that he thinks somebody's going to slip 271 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: him something funny. 272 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: That's what's on his mind. Oh yes, yes, that's one 273 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: of the first things I'm gonna talk about Tom like 274 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: now santays something else. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, this is 275 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: another thing I was thinking about. I heard through the 276 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: Great mind. And then it came out that his lawyer 277 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: is not going to ask for him to be moved 278 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: to a different jail. Why because you know he wants 279 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: to move and you know the lawyer wants to move 280 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: him to make it more convenient for him. M h. 281 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 2: I wonder if this is their ploy. I wonder if 282 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: they're going to let him get sick or let him 283 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: somebody take a swing at him and then engender some 284 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: sort of sympathy. Well, I'm not gonna be sympathetic, but 285 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: some people might be sympathetic because he And I'm not 286 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: saying I want any harm to come to him. I 287 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: don't want that at all. I want him, I'm alive 288 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: and kicking bo boom, to go into court and to 289 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: have these victims be able to testify in his face 290 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 2: and make him confront what he has done for years 291 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 2: and years and years. I don't want anything bad to 292 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: befall him behind bars. But that said, it's interesting how 293 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: all these years he's made a reputation bad boy records 294 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: as being the badass. At least he left the room, 295 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: so I can say that now and now, okay, prove it. 296 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: You're behind bars and you're hiding up on the medical wing. 297 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: And the first thing they came out trying to guard 298 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: his sympathy was he was on suicide watch. 299 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: Oh boo oooh. 300 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's also wrong because people do go on suicide 301 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 5: watch with real mental illnesses, and I have. 302 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: Seen in with real mental illnesses, and I do not 303 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: want them in gp general population. I want them to 304 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: get well. But then I've also much more so seen 305 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: people that fake it. I'll never forget first name, David. 306 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: It's gonna come to me in a moment. Last namely 307 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: say it starts with the L No, that's David lives, 308 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: not ill. But he's a beautiful young mom. You're beautiful 309 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 2: to me. It's found naked in bed having committed suicide. 310 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: I mean I hadn't even got to the scene. Wait, no, no, 311 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: she didn't. She was killed because women do not. Statistically, 312 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: it's like point zero zero zero zero zero one percent 313 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: commit suicide while naked. You're a murder victim. So got 314 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: there well, of course in the inn, her husband did it. 315 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: And I will never get Cheryl. I was in my office, 316 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: which used so obviously pointed out the location, location, location. 317 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 2: It was a very small office. Later Slaton forced me 318 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: to move to a bigger one higher up, but my 319 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: favorite office, which used to belong to an old judge. 320 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: By the way, but this little office on the corner 321 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: was close to the stairs, and I could run down 322 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 2: the stairs and get to the boss's office faster than 323 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: the elevator. So I do him, got Nancy. I would 324 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: run down those stairs and I'll never forget him. He 325 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: handed me a foie, went I want you to look 326 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: at this, which means take it to trial. So I 327 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: took it and it was a friend of his. I 328 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: guess they had known each other in law school or 329 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: Sunday school or daughter. It was. That's who the victim was. 330 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 2: And you know there's no ex screw that up. The 331 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: husband thanked mental illness. So I got a handful of 332 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:07,239 Speaker 2: subpoena duke a stigams, I mean like thirty which is 333 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: not a subpoena for you to testify, susubpoena for you 334 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: to bring me any documents or objects you have related 335 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: to the crime. And I had to go to his office. 336 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: He was a software nerd, and I'd amongst the cars 337 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: out in the parking lot, and I waited for all 338 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 2: of his coworkers to get off of work, and then 339 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: I would stand up between the cars and walk right 340 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: out to them. They couldn't get away and I'd be 341 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: holding out with my arm out with a subpoena Duke 342 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: asteacm to them for them to give me any letters 343 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: he had written from the mental facility. It was minimum security. 344 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 2: They did arts and crafts. He was making sand paintings, 345 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: you know, in the little bottles, and I got those letters. 346 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: I ended up getting like, I don't know, forty letters. 347 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: And in the end he talked about he was gonna 348 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: make b necklaces for three or four years and then 349 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 2: be out, okay, And at the end he actually signed, 350 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: keep it cool and talk killing your wife, Dave. Do 351 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: you know how I nearly fell out of my car. 352 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: I don't like people using the medical unit if they 353 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: don't need it, did he? 354 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: What did I warn y'all about people that don't get tired? 355 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: Y'all better be concerned. 356 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 2: You better be worried when you go out to your 357 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: parking a lot somebody might just jump out it with 358 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 2: the peanut. Oh well, the good times, Oh the good times. 359 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: I forgot about it. Guess what. I still have that rolodex. 360 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 2: It's priceless. I'm telling you it is priceless. And I 361 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: still had my desk which I got at goodwill. It 362 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: was a Fulden County teacher's desk, and they had like 363 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 2: fifty of them in good Will. Got it for a 364 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 2: hundred dollars. Cheryl he my father was trying to get 365 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: it from Goodwill in my Toyota to my studio apartment. 366 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: No good times, gave me good times. 367 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: Okay, I gotta go, bye, Buddy, at a great time. 368 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: See ya.