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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A dad heads to Marist

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Speaker 1: College to visit his son, when out of the blue,

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Speaker 1: a crazed gunman appears and shoots the dad down dead.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious xem

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Speaker 1: one eleven the very latest. The crazed gunman who shoots

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Speaker 1: a Long Island dad dead while visiting his son at

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Speaker 1: upscale Marist College gets the maximum life sentence. Roy Johnson,

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Speaker 1: just thirty five years old, gets fifty eight to life

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Speaker 1: in the state penitentiary following his murder conviction in the

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Speaker 1: October shooting of a devoted dad, Paul Kuttz at a

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Speaker 1: Courtyard by Marriott hotel in Poughkeepsie. What led to the

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Speaker 1: stiff sentence This is what we know.

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Speaker 2: Roy Johnson, thirty five, was sentenced to fifty eight years

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Speaker 2: in state prison following his murder conviction. The Dutchess County

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Speaker 2: District Attorney recommended that quote due to the egregious facts

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Speaker 2: of this case, as well as the immeasurable loss and

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Speaker 2: trauma inflicted on the victims. The office of the District

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Speaker 2: Attorney recommended the maximum penalty allowable by law, and the

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Speaker 2: judge sentenced the defendant according to that recommendation. Johnson was

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Speaker 2: found guilty of murder, criminal possession of a weapon, and

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Speaker 2: reckless endangerment. He was handed the max sentence on each charge,

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Speaker 2: with the time to run consecutively.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 4: The hotel is just under five miles from the College Canvas.

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Speaker 4: Police say the parent had been staying at the Marriotte

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Speaker 4: during Marris's family weekend, a yearly event with football games

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Speaker 3: Now are students in disbelief, shock, disbelief and also just confusion,

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Speaker 3: I think, and just deep sadness for the family, for

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Speaker 3: the victims.

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Speaker 4: Police still trying to figure out the events that led

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Speaker 4: up to the shooting.

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Speaker 3: No word yet on a motive.

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Speaker 1: No word on a motive. Of course, the state doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to prove a motive. But out of the blue,

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Speaker 1: this dad goes to see his child at college on

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Speaker 1: family weekend and he ends up dead at a perfectly

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Speaker 1: respectable hotel. You were just hearing our friends at Fox five.

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Speaker 1: But now take a listen to our friends at NBC four.

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Speaker 5: There are new developments revealing the violence and danger guests

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Speaker 5: faced at a hotel in Poughkeepsie when someone opened fire

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Speaker 5: and killed a visitor.

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Speaker 3: The shooting piercing the.

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Speaker 5: Courtyard by Marriott yesterday morning, where many people were staying

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Speaker 5: to attend family weekend at nearby Mary's College. The bullet

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Speaker 5: shattered the lobby windows, left behind bullet holes and other windows.

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Speaker 5: Police believe the shooter fired two dozen rounds.

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Speaker 6: We cleared that section of the hotel room the rooms

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Speaker 6: inside it just in case, and continued to look for

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Speaker 6: wounded individuals, make sure everybody was okay in the hotel well.

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Speaker 7: For their cursory looked at the room.

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Speaker 6: They also then found manuals that were handbooks on how

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Speaker 6: to make bombs. So the tactical unit that was unseen

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Speaker 6: at that point requested the rest of the hotel be evacuated.

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Speaker 6: So at that point, we evacuated the hotel, moved them

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Speaker 6: to safe locations, relocated them, and then we conducted bomb sweeps.

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Speaker 1: As if it couldn't get any worse. Here you are

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Speaker 1: what is considered a quiet town, at a quiet hotel

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Speaker 1: with respectable people staying there, and a dad gets gunned

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Speaker 1: down and then they find bomb making materials. This is

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Speaker 1: with the irony, the dichotomy of the fact that this

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Speaker 1: is the Marist College, mr Ist, which is of the

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Speaker 3: Of Christ, and it is named that.

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Speaker 1: You may ask why name it after Mary as opposed

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Speaker 1: to Christ, because the view of the Order of maris

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Speaker 1: good works on Earth, that she answered God's calling without

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Speaker 1: question and with that bagdrop bullets fly in the hotel.

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Speaker 1: A family Weekend with me an all star panel to

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Speaker 1: makes sense of what we know right now. But first

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Speaker 1: I want to go to an investigative reporter with Newsday.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at newsday dot com and on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at Joan Grala. Joe, thank you for being us.

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Speaker 1: I'm just having a hard time letting this soak in.

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Speaker 1: My friend just went to her son's college parents' day.

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Speaker 1: We just had parents Day at my children's high school.

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Speaker 1: And to think this could happen in a family setting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like they're out selling dope on

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Speaker 1: a gang. I mean, I'm talking about a dad, Paul

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Speaker 1: Coot's three sons, a wife left behind because of this.

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Speaker 1: Just tell me the beginning, Joan, how did the whole

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Speaker 1: thing start well.

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Speaker 8: At seventy twenty nine the police am on Sunday, the

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Speaker 8: police got a call of the disturbance and during that

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, John, because you've already hit me with

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Speaker 1: a bag of cement right there. Let me go straight

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Speaker 1: out to Wilberd. Chapman, former NYPD Deputy can Missioner.

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Speaker 3: Did you hear what?

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Speaker 1: The Newsday reporter John Gralogist said, seven twenty nine am. Now, listen,

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Speaker 1: I have investigated thousands of cases, prosecuted so many I

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Speaker 1: can't count them. It's really rare to get violent crime

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Speaker 1: when most people are up having their first cup of coffee.

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Speaker 3: You usually see that after the dope heads.

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Speaker 1: Wake up at about three or four o'clock in the afternoon,

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Speaker 1: then the bullets start flying.

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Speaker 3: But seven nine am at Poughkeepsie, Really.

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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, this is a particularly difficult situation for me

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Speaker 9: because the Deputy Commissioner of Training in the NYPD, we

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Speaker 9: had a particularly close relationship with Marath's College, so it's

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Speaker 9: really incredulous that you have this type of crime that

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Speaker 9: early in the morning. However, we live in different times there,

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Speaker 9: and people have absolutely no respect for what, as you

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Speaker 9: put it, at the dope heads used to get up

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Speaker 9: at noon, and we were prepared and policing at one

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Speaker 9: late into the evening and early morning. Now they're starting

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Speaker 9: early in the morning. And when people have this kind

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Speaker 9: of antisocial and criminal behavior, there is no way of

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Speaker 9: predicting exactly when or how they will strike.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Wilbert Chadman, You can say that again.

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Speaker 1: You can say that again statistically, Joan Garla. As you

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Speaker 1: know from reporting it Newsday. Of course, crime can happen

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Speaker 1: at anytime, but seven twenty nine am and the hotel

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Speaker 1: lobby of the Mary Courtyard, you usually don't expect bullets

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Speaker 1: to fly, but they did. Sorry, I'll cut you off

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Speaker 1: in like what sentence. Three Go ahead, Joan.

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Speaker 10: Well.

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Speaker 8: And one of the mysteries that I think explains the

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Speaker 8: national attention this tragedy has brought. And our Uesday TV

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Speaker 8: reporter Cecilia Dawd spoke with the neighbors and this is

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Speaker 8: a really wonderful family with just a very caring they

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Speaker 8: all described is how heavily armed.

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Speaker 1: Heavily armed in a hotel lobby, a family weekend at

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Speaker 1: the Meris College. Take a listen to the chief of

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Speaker 1: the Poughkeepsie Police Department, Chief Joseph Cavalery.

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Speaker 6: Responding officers set up a perimeter. They began to treat

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Speaker 6: the wounded. Once it was secure, ems was allowed in,

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Speaker 7: The victim was transported to Mid Hudson Regional Hospital, where

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Speaker 7: it was later pronounced dead.

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Speaker 6: The officers on scene continued to secure the hotel.

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Speaker 7: They went to check a room and they noticed.

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Speaker 6: Some suspicious items, some of which to be materials that

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Speaker 6: they redetermined could be combined to create an explosive.

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Speaker 11: flash grenades and other possible bottom components found in the

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Speaker 6: Moved them to safe locations, relocated them, and then we

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours. A

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Speaker 1: sentence goes down for the man that shoots down A

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Speaker 1: married father of three in town for family weekend at

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Speaker 1: the school at which the family was so proud their

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Speaker 1: son had been admitted. It was family weekend. Families were

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Speaker 1: joining from all over the country. At Marist College. Dad

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Speaker 1: was in the lobby of the hotel getting coffee just

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Speaker 1: before seven thirty eight m on October two, when Johnson

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Speaker 1: waving a gun, yelling and cursing in the lobby, trying

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Speaker 1: a modified glock firing up to thirty rounds. You know too,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us for now, psychoanalyst joining us

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Speaker 1: out of Beverly Hills. You can find her at doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, you heard what Joan

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Speaker 1: Garla said from Newsday and what Wilbert Chapman said, former

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Speaker 1: NYPD Deputy Commissioner. Right, crime can happen anytime. But I'm

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Speaker 1: still reeling from the dichotomy of this being the Marist

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Speaker 1: College and what it stands for in Poughkeepsie, which is

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Speaker 1: not known for high crime like New York City or

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Speaker 1: inter city Atlanta or Chicago or Detroit.

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Speaker 3: You don't think, Wow, Poughkeepsie, I'm not going to go there.

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Speaker 3: I'll get shot dead.

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Speaker 1: And you're at the family the College family weekend, Doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 3: I know, I mean that's enough for a nightmare for I'm.

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Speaker 8: About to visit a friend in Middlebury, Vermont. He's just

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Speaker 8: bought it in there. He's been there for about a year.

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Speaker 8: And it's a college town and Nancy. You know, when

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Speaker 8: Everybody knows each other, there are kids everywhere. It's so

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Speaker 8: family friendly. You know. The most exciting activity in the

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Speaker 8: they're engaged. There is really no bad element usually in

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Speaker 8: these small towns. But here's what really alarms me as

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Speaker 8: a psychoanalyst, a mental health professional. The seven thirty in

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Speaker 8: the morning, I think is significant because that tells me

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Speaker 8: whoever did this had enormous amounts of energy. When somebody

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Speaker 8: bipolar disorder, rage, rage directed to other people. Are they

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Speaker 8: not you know, they make it an argument with their

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Speaker 8: a dysfunctional abuse of marriage. But then they fall asleep.

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Speaker 8: This early morning hour I think is a very crucial

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Speaker 1: Well, another crucial part of the story is Joe Graula

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Speaker 1: has told us take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 1: WABC seven and I.

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Speaker 12: Have been on the phone with the US Attorney's office

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Speaker 12: through last evening in this morning, we are working in

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Speaker 12: conjunction with each other as this moves forward to determine

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Speaker 12: what exactly we are dealing with.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 13: The FBI and the ATF have been looped into this

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Speaker 13: investigation and with regards specifically to those bomb making materials

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Speaker 13: and other charges could stem from this arrest. As for

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Speaker 13: the fifty three year old victim, family at this point

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Speaker 1: Peter Smith joining me high profile lawyer or out of

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Speaker 1: New York City. He's with the law office of Ken

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Speaker 1: Belkin at Belkanlaw dot com. Peter, whoever this is that

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Speaker 1: has bullets flying at seven twenty nine am at the

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Speaker 1: family weekend at Marist College, the order.

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Speaker 3: Of Mary up in a room.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't just discount them as you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: they're probably dopadicts, they're bomb making materials, bomb making materials

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Speaker 1: you've already got one dad of three shot. Did he

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Speaker 1: had no idea who these people are? And now bomb

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Speaker 15: I mean, Nancy, that just adds to the fright that

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Speaker 15: this case is causing in the community.

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Speaker 6: We cleared that section of the hotel room the rooms

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Speaker 3: It was around seven am.

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Speaker 11: Investigators say that two suspects were smoking a PCP like

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Speaker 17: Innocent individuals convening in the lobby of a hotel going

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Wilbert Chapman, former NYPD Deputy Commissioner. PCP

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Speaker 9: Altering drug that can cause behavior to be amplified to

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Speaker 8: But Nancy, it's also a hallucinogenic. So these people are

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Speaker 8: hallucinating that committed the crime. They're hallucinating who God knows

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Speaker 1: That, Yes, I remember it. It's commonly known as angel

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Speaker 1: Jensen, Professor Forensic Pathology, Director of Autopsy Forensic Services, University

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Speaker 1: what welcome? What does PCP do to you? Commonly known

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Speaker 10: Well, again, as that was described with the psychosis that

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Speaker 10: They're typically very violent and react to and are stimulated

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Speaker 14: Threats.

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Speaker 1: with Newsday at newsday dot com, here's his dad visiting

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Speaker 1: his son. He's got three sons, two of them are twins.

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Speaker 1: He's visiting one son at Mary's College, Poughkeepsie. He's mining

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Speaker 1: his own business in the lobby, probably getting that free

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Speaker 1: here come these two a holes technical legal term, hopped

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Speaker 3: What do we know about that, Joan.

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Speaker 8: One of the questions swirling around this is the two

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Speaker 8: the Duchess County executive wants to make it very clear

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Speaker 6: She pursued that gentleman and a.

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Speaker 7: Taking him down a gunpoint.

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Speaker 13: A twenty six year old gunman taken down by a

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Speaker 13: Taylor, the first suspect taken into custody, also facing weapons charges.

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Speaker 6: He reached into a fanny pack and threw an item

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Speaker 1: Back out to Wilbert Chapman, former NYPD Deputy Commissioner, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm very surprised as female cop didn't gun him down there,

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Speaker 3: Fire at you. But she didn't.

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Speaker 1: She managed to take him down without shooting him dead,

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Speaker 1: and according to Joan Graw with Newsday, there have been

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that I believe that.

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Speaker 8: Well, let's start.

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Speaker 9: Let's start with the police taxtic.

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Speaker 9: Obviously, because we're in a place where there are a

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Speaker 3: I'm not convinced these to you guys are homeless. If

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Speaker 1: Are they doing shucked up at a Marriott courtyard and

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Speaker 3: Guys, take a listen to NBC four.

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Speaker 11: These are the two Marriott Courtyard hotel suspects. The lobby

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Speaker 7: We believe, is the back.

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Speaker 11: This is a photo of one of the weapons, a

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Speaker 3: Well with Chatman explain what it's a ghost gun.

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Speaker 9: A ghost gun is a gun that's manufactured to ensure

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Speaker 3: What do you make of a glock?

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Speaker 9: Block was a standard weapon in the NYPD for years.

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Speaker 13: Court records indicate police recovered a nine millimeter block from

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Speaker 6: We're still investigating well everything that led up to it,

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Speaker 1: To Joan Grala joining me from Newsday, she's been on

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Speaker 1: the case of the very beginning. This was a nine

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Speaker 8: Well. One of the curiosities and mister comes the shot

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Speaker 1: So the gun had what an engraving on it or

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Speaker 3: It can't be traced.

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Speaker 1: Yet you market with a phrase that no one will forget.

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Speaker 3: We the people.

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Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Greace. Can you imagine how happy

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Speaker 1: this kid, the student was, His dad was there. Mister Cutz,

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Speaker 1: sheating death of Darren Valani in Poughkeepsie. Why wasn't he

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Speaker 1: behind bars? On that A lot is being made of

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Speaker 1: these two being homeless. I'm not buying it for one minute.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're homeless.

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Speaker 8: Me neither, I don't buy they're homeless. These men had

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Speaker 8: so many resources for homeless people. They're staying at the

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Speaker 8: Marriott that is not cheap. They have the clothing and

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Speaker 8: the appearance of normal people, so that they looked a

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Speaker 8: little strange, but they're they're.

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Speaker 3: Walking in and out to the hotel.

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Speaker 8: They don't look, smell, act like homeless people. Perhaps that

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Speaker 8: it costs a lot of money to get the gun

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Speaker 8: and bomb making women do.

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Speaker 1: Tabeth is just Doucnabethany talking, doctor Bethany. You're right, what

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Speaker 1: about it? John Graula, I don't think these two were homeless.

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Speaker 1: I think they just don't want to give up their address. Why,

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Speaker 1: because they're wanted their fugitives, their home address will identify

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Speaker 1: who they are.

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Speaker 14: I could just jump in real quick. I think that

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Speaker 14: you're absolutely right that these individuals are not homeless in

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Speaker 14: the traditional sense that they were on the rug from

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Speaker 14: other crimes committed downside.

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Speaker 1: Are you trying to suggest that a fugitive is actually homeless, Peter.

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Speaker 14: Smith, Not at all, Nancy.

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Speaker 15: I'm saying that it sounds like anything but homeless. I

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Speaker 15: think that they had the resources to actually initially flee

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Speaker 15: law enforcement from the South, and that they were continuing.

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Speaker 1: Atlanta, specifically, no lack of dope business in Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to Jonathan Danced NBC four.

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Speaker 11: The two suspects have a history of arrests, including for

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Speaker 11: robbery and assault, but the hotel shooting this weekend comes

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Speaker 11: as the two suspects were already under investigation for a

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Speaker 11: drug related killing in August, and it appears the pair

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Speaker 11: might have known police for closing in on them. Both

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Speaker 11: men have passed felony convictions.

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Speaker 1: Family Weekend, He Goes and He Is Shot Dad. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at NBC four.

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Speaker 18: A day after the father of a Marist College student

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Speaker 18: was shot to death in this Poughkeepsie hotel lobby. Two

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Speaker 18: men are charged in the killing. Police recovered to guns,

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Speaker 18: including this rifle, a ghost gun with no serial number,

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Speaker 18: according to law enforcement sources, and bomb making materials in

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Speaker 18: the hotel room where police said the two men were staying.

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Speaker 18: Roy Johnson Junior and Devin Taylor, both homeless with previous

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Speaker 18: felony convictions and charged in this case. Law enforcement sources

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Speaker 18: Tellnews for Johnson fired dozens of gunshots inside and outside

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Speaker 18: the Marriotte Courtyard Sunday morning after those sources say he

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Speaker 18: got into an argument in the lobby.

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Speaker 1: Joan Graua News Day, what can you tell me about

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Speaker 1: these two guys criminal history that explains to where they've

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Speaker 1: been living part of the time anyway in jail.

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Speaker 8: Well, yes, you're absolutely correct, And the problem is that

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Speaker 8: the Poughkeepsie police are well, they're being extremely cautious, which

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Speaker 8: makes perfect sense, honoring the family's wishes about not releasing

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Speaker 8: the victims' name, for example, which we only got as

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Speaker 8: reporters from the charging papers. But the past history and

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Speaker 8: the violence of this crime and the weapons found might

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Speaker 8: explain why the individual charged with the shooting was remanded

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Speaker 8: and the second individual while his bail was set at

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Speaker 8: five hundred thousand dollars in cash or a million dollar

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Speaker 8: bond or five million partly secured, which are hefty amounts.

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Speaker 1: Guys, k go straight to our cut. Seventeen Johnson danced WNBC.

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Speaker 11: Roy Johnson was a wanted man. Johnson was labeled a

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Speaker 11: criminal fugitive by the sheriff in Fulton County, Georgia. Johnson

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Speaker 11: allegedly skipped court after his arrest on felony gun and

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Speaker 11: cocaine dealing charges. The Sheriff's office says a warrant for

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Speaker 11: his arrest was put into a national database in July.

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Speaker 1: In the database in July. Yet here they are at Family.

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Speaker 1: We can at Marist take a listener more.

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Speaker 11: In August of this year, law enforcement sources say Johnson

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Speaker 11: was being investigated in the Poughkeepsie area, being looked at

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Speaker 11: as a key suspect in connection with a gang related murder.

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Speaker 11: Several law enforcement sources say while some investigators wanted to

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Speaker 11: make an arrest, they say the DA and others wanted

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Speaker 11: to wait for DNA and fingerprint evidence to come back.

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Speaker 11: During that August murder investigation, it seems at no time

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Speaker 11: did police or prosecutors act on that warrant out of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what about it, Chapman, He's got a felony warrant

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Speaker 1: out of Fulton County where I prosecuted for ten years,

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Speaker 1: a felony warrant. Guns and dope. They know it's him.

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Speaker 1: He suspected in another murder right there, and they do nothing.

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Speaker 1: And now this father of three is dead.

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Speaker 9: There's a lot of explaining that's got to be done

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Speaker 9: relative to this case. What the extent of the investigation was,

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Speaker 9: why it was necessary to wait longer before apprehension, And

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Speaker 9: I think until the police and the prosecutor come forward

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Speaker 9: and say exactly what their reasons were, there is great

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Speaker 9: reason to be concerned about what the process was.

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Speaker 1: Concern my rear end concern. You go tell that to

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Speaker 1: the three boys that don't have a father and a

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Speaker 1: mother having to raise a family on her own. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to WNBC.

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Speaker 11: This inspect Johnson is accused of using a glock with

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Speaker 11: a thirty round magazine to open fire in and around

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Speaker 11: the hotel, allegedly killing cuts another man. Devin Taylor, also

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Speaker 11: charged with weapons possession so called ghost gun assault style

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Speaker 11: rifle and possible bomb making parts found in their hotel room. Earlier,

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Speaker 11: the District Attorney's office in Georgia told us if police

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Speaker 11: here in New York knew where Johnson was this past summer,

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Speaker 11: they would have wanted Johnson arrested and sent back to

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Speaker 11: Georgia on his guns and drugs charges.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you got to jump in.

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry if I could just say one thing about

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Speaker 8: my father, one of the saddest things. He was killed

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Speaker 8: the day before his twins turned twenty second, twenty two,

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Speaker 8: and they also attended Marist. I believe the father was

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Speaker 8: visiting the third son, the younger son, who by all

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Speaker 8: accounts is an extremely accomplished student.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and Nancy, this is doctor Jensen. This is where

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Speaker 10: the forensic evidence would be helpful in helping to explain

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Speaker 10: the circumstances. We would look to do X rays to

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Speaker 10: determine whether it was a high velocity round that struck

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Speaker 10: the victim or whether it was from the glock handgun.

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Speaker 10: And we can also tell what we describe it atypical

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Speaker 10: entrance gunshot wounds, and this would be indicative of a

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Speaker 10: bullet coming through some kind of an object such as

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Speaker 10: the glass. There may be also some determination of whether

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Speaker 10: the bullet was a ricochet or actually was pointed at

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Speaker 10: the individual. So these are the kind of questions we

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Speaker 10: try to answer just by routine processing of a gunshot,

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Speaker 10: wound X rays, examining the bullet fragments and the weapon.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question, doctor Jensen, how do

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Speaker 1: you stay so calm when you're looking at body after

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Speaker 1: body after body and I mean, I'm just thinking about

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Speaker 1: their children. I mean, it's hard for me to take in.

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Speaker 1: It's always the good people that get gunned down or murdered.

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Speaker 1: He ran an accounting firm with his brother for the

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Speaker 1: last thirty plus years, married, one time, great family, faithful,

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Speaker 1: loyal heart, hard worker. Ma'am, he's dead and these two

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Speaker 1: dopeads are walking for I mean, they're alive.

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Speaker 10: You bring up an interesting point, Nancy, because most pathologists

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Speaker 10: are characterized as being stuck in their basement laboratories. But

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Speaker 10: it's the forensic pathologist that has intimate contact with both

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Speaker 10: the victim and the victim's family. So it's not uncommon

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Speaker 10: that when I'm at a crime scene, I'll i'll encounter

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Speaker 10: to the victim's family and attempt to give them my

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Speaker 10: condolences and to give them a detailed idea of how

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Speaker 10: we were going to treat their loved one in.

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Speaker 3: The last days.

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Speaker 1: A sentence goes down for a gunman who shoots dead

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Speaker 1: a dad visiting his son at an upstate Long Island

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Speaker 1: college for family weekend. He gets life behind bars. Roy

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Speaker 1: Johnson A's thirty five. The gunman in this case may

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Speaker 1: have gotten life behind bars, but from what I can tell,

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Speaker 1: that's just a pitstop on his way straight to hell.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,