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Speaker 1: and realizing that I want to be able to give

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Speaker 1: boys the thing that I didn't have. Right. Um, and

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Speaker 1: you're Atlanta bar right, an Atlanta bar. Yeah. And my

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Speaker 1: father was also he was steeped in the community. I

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Speaker 1: mean he started up a chapter of the a CP

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Speaker 1: in Gwinnette County. Um and my mother still runs it

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Speaker 1: and she works at Emory right now. Um, But growing up,

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Speaker 1: I think that I didn't have There wasn't a focus

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Speaker 1: on emotional intelligence growing up as a young black boy

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Speaker 1: and as a black man. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: my process, through going to therapy and different things like that,

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Speaker 1: has been acquiring the vocabulary for my inner world and

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Speaker 1: learning how to make changes that are sustainable in my life.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of boys don't have permission

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Speaker 1: to do that because there's this idea of manhood that

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Speaker 1: they're trying to hold up, which means they sacrifice parts

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Speaker 1: themselves along the way, and they just a lot of

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Speaker 1: times they just need to know it's okay. They just

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Speaker 1: need to see someone experiencing a thing that they feel

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Speaker 1: and see that, oh, it's possible to do that. I'm human.

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Speaker 1: I'm not less of a man that which is awesome now, Alex,

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Speaker 1: when you look at your life, I mentioned, uh, but

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Speaker 1: also I'm a cancer survivor and when I read about you,

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Speaker 1: you're involved with the American Cancer Society. World connects you

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Speaker 1: with the American Cancer My father died of cancer when

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Speaker 1: I was six, and so it's just always been a

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Speaker 1: part of my life. I just um recently lost my

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Speaker 1: best friend's mother to cancer at the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: year um and the pastor of my church died of

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Speaker 1: camp to My best friend's mother died of cancer right

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Speaker 1: around the same time as my father died. And it's

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Speaker 1: just always been this luminous fear of what cancer is.

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Speaker 1: And I never wanted to have that fear followed me

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Speaker 1: the rest of my life, so I got very involved

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Speaker 1: in at all. When you say fear, what do you

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Speaker 1: mean when you say fear, the fear of it? Just

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Speaker 1: what cancer is and just being so scared of it

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Speaker 1: rather than trying to beat it. It is. I always

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Speaker 1: tell people when I was informed I had cancer, you

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Speaker 1: know it's you know, it's immediately the word death domination

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Speaker 1: your conversation because I don't you don't hear about You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna turn about survivor you's just worried about it.

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Speaker 1: That's a finite moment in your life. And I tell

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Speaker 1: people all the time, you know, just be prepared, live

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Speaker 1: your life. That's why I'm telling them. That's why I

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Speaker 1: love talking to you too, because you know, I go

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Speaker 1: through the resume I got the success as an entertainer,

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Speaker 1: like success entrepreneur, I always like to dig deeper and

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? What's the balanced part of your life?

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Speaker 1: And you guys have a balanced life, and so and

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Speaker 1: we know we're all gonna go. And so when it oppums,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel? And I tell everybody when it

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Speaker 1: was when the doctor announced it to me, I was shocked.

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Speaker 1: But you know I didn't I did to tell my family.

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Speaker 1: I just I just I just took it all in.

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Speaker 1: And when I when I finally took it all in,

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Speaker 1: I was comfortable if this was it. I was comfortable

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Speaker 1: because I know what life I had, lad, I knew

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Speaker 1: the type of people I affected. You know, I drunk

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Speaker 1: all the water. You know, you gave me a glass

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Speaker 1: of ward. I dropped it. I didn't leave no water.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to get drink after me, and usually when

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Speaker 1: we're drinking, okay, and so and that's why I tell

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Speaker 1: people to live your life. And so so I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to you know, we're here to promote the show,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to tell you both, don't stop, you know,

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Speaker 1: don't stop. Don't they're draining, you know, squeeze it and

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Speaker 1: live the life and be you. And it's important and

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Speaker 1: and it's always great to have when I have to

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Speaker 1: opposite individuals who are doing doing things from different perspectives

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Speaker 1: but achieving the same goals. And that's changing this world

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Speaker 1: because we need so much help. And you don't have

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Speaker 1: to put names on who's altering the cause of it,

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Speaker 1: because it's sometimes it's so it's so again, there's somebody

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Speaker 1: right next to you that needs that support. And so

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Speaker 1: don't change. Don't change, really, don't change. You know you're

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Speaker 1: not family yet. So you know that was a good speech.

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Speaker 1: I gave y'all want enough to get a bag, I

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Speaker 1: can tell you that. But you know how didn't look

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Speaker 1: frozen fingers she getting up? You know? Interviews? Okay, I

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Speaker 1: got my two of the stars, my man jump Alex

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Speaker 1: Well we're just out here. I still want my bag.

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Speaker 1: If you because your hand styles was amazing, thank you,

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Speaker 1: But you didn't change it. But you didn't change your

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Speaker 1: house stout in this interview. If you would have changed

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Speaker 1: your housetown because you change it ever eppisode. You change

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Speaker 1: it every scene on that show. You know that nothing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I know that. I know that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: cool so easy started past. I got two of the stars.

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Speaker 1: Guess what a big time in the community, A big

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Speaker 1: time on the screen. Every suthingday I check it out,

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Speaker 1: I will be watching it. It's my show. It's a show.

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Speaker 1: It makes me feel good, makes me think about my life,

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Speaker 1: the phone right now, coming all the way up. I'm

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Speaker 1: on National Gel entitled Creative Fixers Country Veterinarians. The show

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Speaker 1: follows the lifelong friend their lifelong friends who happened to

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Speaker 1: be veterinarians and who happened to be African American veterinarians

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Speaker 1: who operate Creative Fixer Veterinarian Hospital, located one hundred miles

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Speaker 1: south of Atlanta. I told you they're coming up. They're

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Speaker 1: moving on up for this interview. Please welcome to money

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Speaker 1: making conversation, my friends. I'm calling my friends doctors Hodges

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Speaker 1: and Dr Ferguson. He'll have to be here. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: now you know we all know. Let's first of all

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Speaker 1: to my understand is you have to go to medical

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Speaker 1: school to be a vet. Is that correct? So so

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Speaker 1: it's really harder to be a veterinarian than just to

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Speaker 1: be a general doctor. Huh, we're already get in there.

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Speaker 1: There's only only thirty ones in their schools in the

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Speaker 1: United States. So you know here in the state of

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Speaker 1: Georgia there's only one and they're about a hundred slots.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I mean you think about it. If

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Speaker 1: in the whole state of Georgia. UM, you you you

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Speaker 1: you're competing with with the whole state just to get

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Speaker 1: those hundred Scotts slot. But Dr person Enough attended the

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Speaker 1: only HBCU in school with the Tuke University. Now here's

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Speaker 1: the thing about its TuS Key University is in Alabama.

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Speaker 1: It's a HBCU school Historical Black College and University. That's

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Speaker 1: what HBCU stands for. UM and I am on a

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Speaker 1: mission a part of this just campaign just to bring

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Speaker 1: more attention to hbc used to let people understand that

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Speaker 1: the value of of this quality education to being provided

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Speaker 1: by HBCUs. Tell us your take on your HBCU experience

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Speaker 1: started with you for Dr Ferguson and then Dr Hodges. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we were definitely value HBCU because we went to two HBCUs.

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Speaker 1: We attended Sport Valley State University undergrad and we attended

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Speaker 1: uh Tuskee Universe School of in their medicine for our DVM.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you need that that HBCU. Sometimes you need that

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Speaker 1: little extra nurturing and you know, support in order for

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Speaker 1: you to reach your dreams. You know, everybody has not

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Speaker 1: cut out or everybody may not want to go to

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Speaker 1: the larger universities. You may not get the the love

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Speaker 1: and the hug and the extra support that you need. Myself,

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Speaker 1: I have a family that has a history of HBCUs or.

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Speaker 1: So for me it was a no brainer because I

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Speaker 1: could see the things that they had to cheeth and

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Speaker 1: and where they got their start, and I knew define

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Speaker 1: that was something that I needed and wanted as well. Okay, now,

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Speaker 1: Dr Ferguson, I can I can hear the southern drawl

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Speaker 1: in your voice, because you're a Southern boy, you know,

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Speaker 1: straight out of Georgia. You know. Now your side kick,

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Speaker 1: their doctor Hodges, he's out of Connecticut. Let's let' let's

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Speaker 1: hear talk a little bit and see if he's picked

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Speaker 1: up that Southern draw to it. I've even done your research,

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Speaker 1: I got to I can this is hold you right

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Speaker 1: there right there, that voice difference, voice, high words, a

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Speaker 1: lot clearer. Yeah, that's Connecticut, right, the Connecticut right. I

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Speaker 1: did all of about a month in Connecticut A card

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Speaker 1: and my mom, so I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. So so you made your way down

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Speaker 1: to the South and and and I've been a country boy.

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Speaker 1: Ever since you know, and uh speaking about HBCUs, Fort

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Speaker 1: Valley and tous Key, they prepared us for the world,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and that's the beauty of it because you know,

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Speaker 1: as a student, I wasn't quite ready to uh to

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Speaker 1: kind of even maybe even be a college student at

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Speaker 1: the time. So you know, they have they have people

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Speaker 1: who will reach out at Fort Valley and kind of

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Speaker 1: give you the the learning and give you the tools

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Speaker 1: so that you can realize what it takes to becoming

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Speaker 1: college student in ain't go ahead and um and be

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Speaker 1: a success store. So you know, I can't say enough

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Speaker 1: about Skegee and four of our now now, now, Dr

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Speaker 1: ferguson the name of your city, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: mess up that name. It was that tow Botten, your

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Speaker 1: native was that toal Botton for now Carverton, Okay, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Most people don't know where, don't you know. I don't

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Speaker 1: care what I ain't about five hundred people that will

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Speaker 1: know it. So you couldn't let me roll every small

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Speaker 1: When when I talked to kids about I always asked

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Speaker 1: what Talton. No one knows, of course, but I always

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Speaker 1: tell them it's it's near Columbus. Georgia. We have we

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Speaker 1: have two tracks, we have two traffic likes to the costume. Right,

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Speaker 1: I love it, I love it, but I love the

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Speaker 1: way you corrected me. No, you couldn't let that road through,

638
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: you know town. We have to get our due when

639
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: we can get it. Man. You know, we don't get

640
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: into lave like too much, so we want to make

641
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: sure when we get it we can we can we

642
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: get it right. Well, you know this is what I

643
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: love about you guys. Okay, first of all, personalities just

644
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: just ooze through the airways. So and now, now you're

645
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: dealing with animals, you know, and you're dealing with horses,

646
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: You're dealing with cats, you're dealing with you're dealing with pigs,

647
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: you're dealing with dogs, you're dealing with cows, You're dealing

648
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: with all kind of animals come to them. So, so

649
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: the show that we're talking about, that's why we have

650
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: you on the TV on my show to talk about

651
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: your show that's gonna be premiering on the National Geo. Now,

652
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: I watched the National Geo anyway because they have a

653
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: show in there called The Fish Tank Kings. I love

654
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: those guys. So it's that Gal wild. So we make

655
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: sure we get that deal wild, that deal Wild. So

656
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: I'll make sure you can correct me. Now this is

657
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: your show, this is your moment. Now they're on the

658
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: right channel. I won't make you they feel right, you

659
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Don't let me shot may don't

660
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: give that bad information. People looking at mit. No, no, no, no,

661
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: I didn't mean now opportunity. We want to make sure

662
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: they don't. You're used to correct the people. I ain't

663
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: a pig. Now you just gave talk to me and

664
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: they kind of way. Now I'm not just r we

665
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: can we can't do the like we do it in

666
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: the right right right, squeeze my tail. I'm gonna well

667
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: you you you look at this episode we capture at

668
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: the count on now we we we can do it all.

669
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: I love you guys. So so here's the here's the

670
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: fun part about it, Okay, because I don't want to

671
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: brush over what you guys have accomplished before we get

672
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: to the TV show. Because you know, we talked about

673
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, Tuskegee a school. Would I would not have

674
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: a thought to be a school. But it isn't. It

675
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: isn't agricultural college. Correct, it is it is. You know,

676
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: here's here's a story, right, here's a story. And we

677
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: hadn't talked about this much, so we don't kind of

678
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: give you exclusive. I want to talk to a couple

679
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: of kids. So here here's the thought. So Booker T Washon,

680
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: we all learned about Book of the Peanuts back in

681
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: the day. Book of t knew that a position, you know,

682
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: white positions treated white people, black positions treated black people.

683
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: He knew that a white farmer wouldn't let you treat him.

684
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: But he also knew that the most important thing to

685
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: a farmer was his mule. So if if you so,

686
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: if you're trying the ven name, because if we didn't

687
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: have comebins and track this, but if ben name was there,

688
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: he would let a black vennar and tweet his mule.

689
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: And that was the most important that you know, if

690
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: he started that best school in the big South, he

691
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: could be there is all over the country and they

692
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: can help these farmers and earn a great living, right,

693
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: And that's what that's what has happened. Now, that's I

694
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: always say that because now let's talk about this whole process.

695
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: Because of the fact that like, like we spoke earlier

696
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: about you have to go to medical school, to go

697
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: to vennarian school. Now what what what? What? What's the

698
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: drive to to take care of animals or to see

699
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: animals healthy, to make sure that you know, because my daughter,

700
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: my wife, you know, she her first dog died of

701
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: cancer and it just knocked her out due I mean,

702
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: she was done, know for a while, and because I know,

703
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: you know me, you know my I'm gonna just be

704
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: honest with you. When my dog died when I was sixteen,

705
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't get attached to animals anymore because that hurt

706
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: me so bad. I walked out there and Skippy with

707
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: laying in the yard. He was dunb I know, I'm

708
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: not gonna cry like that no more. So I don't

709
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: get attached so so, but I know that there's an

710
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: emotional attachment. There's a work part of the relationship that

711
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: you can have an animal. There's also that that that

712
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: child like, that family like attachment. So when you and

713
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with the care of these animals, just

714
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: talk about that process there. Yeah, that there's something that

715
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: we learned in school that's called the human animal bond,

716
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: and it's real. There's a bond between your pets or

717
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: your animals and us. There's a bun there's unconditional love

718
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: that you get from your pets and your animal and

719
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: it's something that you know. It's it's not necessarily tangible

720
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: you can put your finger on, but it's definitely there.

721
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: We see it every day. So when we see our

722
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: clients and our patients, they're not like animals that are

723
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: just coming in. There are members of the family, and

724
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: that's how we treat them, and that's how our clients

725
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: treat them. There are members of the family and they

726
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: will do anything for them, and of course we will too.

727
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: And I think it's something that we're born with, you know,

728
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: the love for animals. And I want to make sure

729
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: that we we're got to take care of people and

730
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna take care of animals. And that's why he

731
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: and Ore are in the profession that we're in today.

732
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: We know it's a beautiful profession. Like I said that,

733
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: that's why I'm will willing to share my journey, you know,

734
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: my attachment to my dog. You know, when he died,

735
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: it just it shook me up so bad. I said,

736
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: I've never so We've had several dogs and my wife

737
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: I was why don't you play with us? No, no, no,

738
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: that's your dog because I'm not gonna go there. I'm

739
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: not gonna go there no more. I take care whatever

740
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: you need, dog food and all that. He can hop

741
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: on my lap, but uh please get him off because

742
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna because I know what it can do

743
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: to you, like that bond that you can create. And

744
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: I saw how it shadowed her when he when he

745
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: died from cancer. You know, the dog died from cancer.

746
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: So that's that journey of that attachment. So it was

747
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: when I was going through your bio, it was an

748
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: interesting story. You know, you get you get to learn

749
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: more about your guess when you go through the bio, like,

750
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: for instance, uh dr Hodges, he wanted to be jack Cousto.

751
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: Let me just help you, but let me explain to

752
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: everybody Jackson's coach. Jack So was a man. He he

753
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: dove in the water so much his skin got wrinkly.

754
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: You didn't recognizing the more he would. He was an

755
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: underwater guy. He would go out there see the whales,

756
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: the sharks, the little fishes and everything. Jacko Sto was

757
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: my man. I'm gonna lie to you. Jacko Stole obviously

758
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: in high school. I wanted to work all shore because

759
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: of Jacko Stole. So when you when I saw Jacko

760
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: Stole and your in your bio, Dr Hodges, I fell

761
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: in love with you. I said, he I'm playing after

762
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: my heart Jack. I'm I'm just because people don't know

763
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: about Jacko Sto. Because see, you just can't have a

764
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: Jack cou Stole conversation unless somebody loves Jack Cousto. I

765
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: loved me some jock stoke. So Dr do Do Hey,

766
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: that's gonna say. I have I have done those things.

767
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: I have my scoober license. I went in and swam

768
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: with fish and the whales. I also went over to

769
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: Nepal and developed the whole fish project for a whole

770
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: city in a city called Poker and Nepal when I

771
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: was nineteen. So now I've I've had a fish farm,

772
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: I've done all stuff with fish. I ain't a fish guys. Uh,

773
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: you know I thought that was gonna met me, but

774
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, I end up being a critic. So at

775
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: work that's just as good. But who knows, I might

776
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: pull out the old scoop again. Are you gonna pull

777
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: the scooby? A kid? I just saw Alabama Columbus, don't

778
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: the river. I'm gonna tell y'all some be Catholics. I'm

779
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: gonna go, I'm gonna going to my my, my, My

780
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: job was so more. Don't be like him. That's when

781
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: that New York that Connecticut's gonna come out and say, Hi,

782
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm doctor, and you followed me to these mud puddles

783
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: of Central Georgia and we're gonna kiss them. Dr Ferguson,

784
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: please please stop letting your doctor be stupid on my show. Okay,

785
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: he out there, he out the scooler diving and two

786
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: ft of water, sliding on the mud, grabbing catfish with

787
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: both hands. That's what he trying to tell. No, no, no,

788
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: that is not new You do not no, no, no,

789
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: you do not knew that I'm gonna cut your boy.

790
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: You do not new to scoopy gear. You take your

791
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: butt down. That. Let me tell everybody, new to Newland

792
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: is the craziest fishing in the world. What you do

793
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: is you're going the water by by a little bit

794
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: bigger than Waiste deep, and then you just stick your

795
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: hands in the banks and you just be Newland for

796
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: a fish, a fish that was probably bigger than your own,

797
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: and you grab that fish and you pull it out.

798
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: That's what noodlond is? Is it? Women noodles, guys noodles,

799
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: kids noodles. That is a sport that I could never do.

800
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: But he's talking about he gonna go Scoopler guy, scooper

801
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: diving in Newland. You do not noodle with snorkel fins,

802
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: snorkel mask, snorkel tank, none of that I know. Not

803
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: sin is a snorkel tank. I care, I'm sorry. I

804
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: think he might have a good country card about country

805
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: board mellond. He know a lot about being a country ball.

806
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: Your country card to you back. Now let me go

807
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: with you, Dr Fergus, because I didn't find nothing interested

808
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: in your bio. You know, maybe you're just holding out

809
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: on the brother. I know your family man and all

810
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: that good stuff. But please let me know what is

811
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: so interesting about you that they put your TV against

812
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: the very interested Dr Hodges. He's a personality, he got

813
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: all the good stories. He's a funny guy. What you have.

814
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: He from off north to you don't stay there for

815
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: a month, but he came on with out here and

816
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: joined the southerns. Tell us about it. Let me let

817
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: me ask you a question you ever you ever seen

818
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: a black guy on Kodiak Island honey for bears and

819
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: fishing and staying out there for a month in a

820
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: remote area and with no water, no running water, no electricity,

821
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: just on the island with the largest bears in the world.

822
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: That's you. That was me. Now what we what woud

823
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: you crazy be had doing out there? Okay, okay, So

824
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: in undergrad we talked about HBCUs and the opportunities that

825
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: m and the nurturing they give you. Well, summer and um.

826
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: When I was in undergrad, I worked for the U

827
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: S fishing Wildlife. Great great right right right that bio

828
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: I did read that near bio so um. One summer

829
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: I worked in Alaska and I was in Keena, Alaska

830
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: and saw doctor Alaska and on Kodiak Island. But what

831
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: we did was we had a fish weird um on

832
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: Kodyak Island and we were studying family. And the big

833
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: deal is, you know, when salmon are born in the

834
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: little small streams, they lived that for a few weeks

835
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: a month, they go in the lake, they go in

836
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: the ocean, and they stay in the ocean for three

837
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: or four or five years. After that they come back

838
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: to the same stream they lay eggs, and they died.

839
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: But what we were trying to figure out is how

840
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: do they know where to come back to? There? There

841
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: are several lakes. There are a lot of lakes. There

842
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: are a lot of streams. Now. When I say stream,

843
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: it's not as wide as a car now, I don't

844
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: mean a big river. But they find their way, but

845
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: all the way back to that area to spawn with

846
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: his lay eggs, and then they died. So I was

847
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: out there for a whole month, and we were studying

848
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: bears and wolves and eagles while we were out there,

849
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: and I'm all the little black guy out there, you know.

850
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: And I didn't know until later on. My mother was

851
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: kind of nervous when I went, and I just I

852
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: couldn't understand why. I'm not in I'm older, I understand why.

853
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: I want to know why it was her bathing way

854
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: up in a last You can't put her hands on him.

855
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: He's in the bushes running while I with bear. You know,

856
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: it could have been the last time she saw me. Absolutely,

857
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: I agree with her on that. I agree with on that. Now,

858
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, did you figure out why

859
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: they have the ability to do that? Because I've seen

860
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: that docmmunity several times on how something. A couple of

861
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: reasons were the really the researcher was still ongoing. But

862
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: one is moon phase. The other was what we call

863
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: the salinity of the the the basically ingredients that thing

864
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: that's in the water UM draw them back to that

865
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: certain area. It's a that's really amazing because they have

866
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: to fight through bears, they have to fight through they

867
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: swam up stream, correct, correct, you're correct, And I just

868
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: watching they go out stream to go to the ocean,

869
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: but they had to fight their way back upstream to

870
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: get to um, to those little creek. And because I

871
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: I spent some time in Alaska, so I know that's

872
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: a that's a you know, because what man, you ain't

873
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: spend no timing all out door. I'm talking to Dr Ferguson,

874
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: See how are you going to bust in that conversation?

875
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: Like that doctor? Just a TV We have you known'

876
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: you go with your little corn fish, little car fish

877
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: over there, they're gonna play with your little car fish

878
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: or look, cord your little property right there. We're talking

879
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: about playing over here. Yeah, we ain't paid a bunch

880
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: of money for a little fish it just went two

881
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: feet to one side of the two ft one side,

882
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: two ft other side. I didn't you point over there?

883
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: You see my card, you see my car? A little fat,

884
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: ugly fish. I love y'all. Vote. Well, let's let's let's

885
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: talk about the show. Tell us to tell us about

886
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: the show. Sell us all up, because we're not through yet.

887
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna just talk about the show. Make sure

888
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: we get some time so people understand, you guys are

889
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: big personalities, You're very talented. How did they discover you

890
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: guys to put you in a television series? So yeah,

891
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean the big thing we are in rural Georgia.

892
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: But the thing about about with social media is it

893
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where you are. If you're good, people will

894
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: find you. So this got restopped to me from New

895
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: York with the product with the productive company that he

896
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: didn't run and said, hey, doc, uh I want to

897
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: put you on TV and uh, you know, make and

898
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: and and share your story. And I ignored them. Of course,

899
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: bees I thought it was spam. But you know, after

900
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: while we didn't get a dialogue and talk, and then

901
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: I was like, of course, you know, critfishes me and

902
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: my partner and crime He's like, of course, and I

903
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: called out the person and I did the same thing

904
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: he did. I ignored him. Why am I surprised? That's

905
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: what I said, y'all, boss it with them animals, just

906
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: just that's what we do. That's that's that's the time

907
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: of God gave us that we could take care of

908
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: some animal. It doesn't matter. We criticised and we tackle

909
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: them off small, it doesn't matter. Did you not use

910
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: the did you use that said the word camel? Camel? Yeah?

911
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: The next episode this Saturday night at ten on that deal.

912
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: While people would be able to see a camel, uh,

913
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: this camel was used if used in um nativity scenes.

914
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: And he was getting a little frisky and they kim

915
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: of the thing. So we had to remove him home.

916
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: Now y'all took away his man hood, that's what you're saying. Yeah,

917
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 1: he was really going away in amazing he was. Yeah, exactly,

918
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: So we have to stop that. What you do? What

919
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: you doing, mama? What's going on with the camel? Yeah exactly.

920
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: You know we need The last thing you need is

921
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: something dangling in the maazed off cap camel. I cheered

922
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: that Capital can talk. He has something to say right now,

923
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: he was trying to talk to it. In he's trying

924
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: to talk to us. Then every day before we did

925
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: it every day for that camel was day. I love it.

926
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: I love it. So so now that's the biggest animal.

927
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: So what is the smallest alium you guys are gonna

928
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: work with on the show? A spider? Huh? Did you

929
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: you heard that right? A spider? Okay, I see, I

930
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: would never think that would be something that event would

931
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: work on, would be a spider, because I would think

932
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: that if you start working on it, he's so small

933
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: you would kill him. Now we I mean we did.

934
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: We did. This was more husbander how to take care

935
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: of the spider because you know, people pay a lot

936
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: of money for these big spiders and so you gotta

937
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: see them sometimes. This simple spider wasn't eating as much

938
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: as the guy thought, but he was doing the web.

939
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: But the big thing is he was in the smaller

940
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: and closes so he didn't need to eat much. So

941
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: after explaining that, spider still doing well. Okay, So so

942
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: so so you guys do like a nutrition? Yeah, nutrition

943
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: everything Nutrition is is a big part of everything. So yeah, right,

944
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: and so when you look at when you let me

945
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: ask you this where you're located there right now? Why

946
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: didn't you pick that? Okay, so we're both country boys.

947
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean literally, you know you could have done right

948
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: it is, yeah, we could have, but I mean, I'm

949
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: being honest with you. We was poor. We tried to

950
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: get Harris what was the name of that place, American

951
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: Harri it was? What was it was in Snailville. So

952
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: we tried to get um cleaning here in Snailville. Um

953
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: and uh, I mean unfortunately, you know, we went to

954
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: we didn't have much, We didn't know much about finances

955
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: at the time. We didn't know how to box. We

956
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: had no credit, no finances, no money, and of course

957
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: you denied for that loan. That's the best thing ever happened.

958
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: So we end up going back home. We were in

959
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: an eight hundred square foot can't shop, eight hundred square

960
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: feet a hunter square feet. We went about wood from

961
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: home depot. I just tell you, guys, my first apartment

962
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: was seven hundred square feet, so I know exactly I

963
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: was a hundred square feet in my studio apartment, right, okay,

964
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: And we we built that place out. We built two

965
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: exam rooms, were built a little surgery room, and um,

966
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: we just used our skills. I mean we went around

967
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: were big guards. Something we bought like use equipment. We

968
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: went over to what was that hunt gas? We went

969
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: the gas and right, and we bought from cages. I

970
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: guess the guy felt sorry for and he gave us

971
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: an X ray machine because we didn't have one. This

972
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: X ray machine was a World War two X ray

973
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 1: machine world War two. But it worked, but it worked.

974
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: I love it, but it worked. Though. As long as

975
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: it worked, we could we could. Now I'm trying to

976
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: figure because I just told everybody I know exactly how

977
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: big eight hundred square feet is because my first apartment

978
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: were selling a square feet. Now, he didn't put an

979
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: X ray machine in there from World War two. He

980
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: didn't put a little surgery room in there. Now they

981
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: didn't win and got some cages. Now, did the people

982
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: just walk through the front door right through the surgery

983
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: because I don't see no area for a little reception.

984
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: We had a very very small reception area, maybe two chairs,

985
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: two chairs. So they come in sitting in there with

986
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: the chickens sitting in there, with the dogs in there

987
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: with their little pigs. So that's how they all started that.

988
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,959
Speaker 1: When you're using credit cards that they did they bother

989
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: you for food or what was going on in those

990
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: early years. We have very humble beginnings. I can I

991
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: can remember when Dr Hodges and I got our first check.

992
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: It was less than a hundred dollars, but if you

993
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: saw the smile on our face, it was worth a

994
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: million dollars because that was our beginning. Um. But things

995
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: did move pretty fast forwards because within the four months

996
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: we started a second location franchise franchise. Things moved fast.

997
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: You know, God was good, He blessed us. And we're

998
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: we we love our community. Our communities are small, but

999
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: we are members of our communities, which means that we're

1000
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: a family. They treat us like family. We treat them

1001
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: like family. Have been awesome to us in our area

1002
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: and that and and it shows in the growth that

1003
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: we've had. So it's a trust though it's like like

1004
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: you were staying earlier. Is like you learned that in

1005
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: school the bond between an animal and human and that

1006
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: it's and it's an honest bond because I always treated

1007
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: like you know when you because both of you have children,

1008
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: so you know what I'm talking about. You know, I

1009
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: always your child, you know, they're born, and and you

1010
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: just see them physically and they you barely. You don't

1011
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 1: want to hold them because you feel it might break them.

1012
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: And then they started crawling and then they wanted to

1013
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: they start trying to talk, you know. So just look

1014
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: at an animal right there. Stop stop it right there.

1015
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: So you have you have somebody that just has unlimited

1016
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: love for you and wants instructions, wants instructions. You throw

1017
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: a stick it for a dog, That dog will get

1018
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: that stick. I okay, how many times you throw that stick?

1019
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: That dog will get that stick. You did it for

1020
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: a child two years old. They do the same thing

1021
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: you You can You can put the same TV show

1022
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: on in front of a child and then look at it.

1023
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: They just keep it. That's what you want me to watch.

1024
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: I watch it. That's what that's what they do. I

1025
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: watch it one more time and Ladder Latin for the

1026
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: third year time. I'm gonna watch it. And that's what

1027
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: you get in an animal, and that that you that

1028
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: you believe in your care. I don't care if it's

1029
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: a horse, I don't care if it's a cow, a bull.

1030
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: It is that that that process. So because I am

1031
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: an cut your bar I'm from Houston, Texas Field Ward.

1032
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: But I'm a bank fisherman. Okay, so you know, so

1033
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: y'all could just stop talking to me. I'm a bank fisherman.

1034
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: Now you don't know something about you know what talking

1035
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 1: about the cane pole. I know about the cane pole.

1036
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: You know with the little bob. That's what I started.

1037
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: You know, perch and large mall, small mall bass. You know,

1038
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: stand on the side, slip the coop. Ain't no bar

1039
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: said the word go. I was born in the city,

1040
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: y'all need to stop, man. I was born in the city.

1041
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: It was you come out, you come down. Yeah, I

1042
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: will come down here to catch a little person like

1043
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: what spending on. So calfish, That's when I learned about calfish.

1044
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: My dad pull all the guts out of the cash

1045
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: fish and it was still swimming. I went, oh my god.

1046
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: So catfish, they're the hardest fish in the world to kill.

1047
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: It's a catfish. That's why you gotta cut the That's

1048
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: where you gotta cut the head off a calfish. You

1049
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: cut all you and they know I'm talking to fats.

1050
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: They know what I'm talking about. And the catfish if

1051
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: you grab it wrong. You might want just grab a knife.

1052
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: We will put something on you on it. Well, my goodness,

1053
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: you put something on you for real. So I just

1054
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: gotta get my country license with my boys, you see.

1055
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: So I can't let them get off the phone, you know,

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Speaker 1: country people, they act like their own country. I can

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Speaker 1: stand off of the like their own country, but they

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Speaker 1: like they like they're patting it like they trade more country. Now,

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Speaker 1: I got country to now. Now you might want to

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Speaker 1: been slapped down by bears and all that good stuff.

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Speaker 1: You are there, the only black dude looking around going

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Speaker 1: what's wrong? Everybody gonna you're the wrong? What are you

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Speaker 1: doing up there? But I love it, man, because y'all groundbreakers. Man.

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Speaker 1: And when I say groundbreakers, I mean you guys are

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Speaker 1: leaders in the game because you're human and you don't

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Speaker 1: see color and that that is what I wish the

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Speaker 1: you know book with you Washington started a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: You show people value, they will treat you for your value.

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Speaker 1: That is what you guys are doing every day. Tell

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Speaker 1: us everybody one more time about your show and how

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Speaker 1: we can watch it on National g O Wild. But

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Speaker 1: the country that we're gonna be on every Saturday night

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Speaker 1: nine nine. So either way it kiss the country of it,

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Speaker 1: either on that you know while or Amazon Prime. I

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00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: love both of you guys, I always do. You can

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Speaker 1: come on my show. Now. I have a little lake

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Speaker 1: outside my yard, in my backyard, so what I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do is when my wife get back in town, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna bring the family up, do a little barbeque, and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do some country stuff with y'all so y'all

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Speaker 1: you're gonna bring them core and fish long as you

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna push your behind right in that lake to

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Speaker 1: Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for Children and Families,

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Speaker 1: and the Council. My next guest is in studio. He's

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Speaker 1: ready to go. He's an attorney, entrepreneur, philanthropists. He was

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Speaker 1: on top of the world when he was Falster accused

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Speaker 1: and convicted of being a drug kingpan in nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 1: He was sentenced to life in prison plus seventy two

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Speaker 1: years on other drug convictions. He is now the executive

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Speaker 1: producer of the new ABC fictional legal and family drama

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Speaker 1: series For Life. Please work with the money making conversations.

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Speaker 1: Isaac Wright Jr. Glad to be here. How are you

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Speaker 1: pretty good? How do you feel, my man? I feel great.

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Speaker 1: It's a good time. It's a good time in your life. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 1: well you know I always you know, I get up

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Speaker 1: at four o'clock every day, and uh we do that.

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Speaker 1: That didn't freeze you how you know? That throws to

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Speaker 1: me a little bit. What time you get up, Isaac,

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01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: come on that. Well, sometimes I'm still up at four o'clock.

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01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: It just depends on it just depends on, um, you

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Speaker 1: know what what's on my plate for the for the

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Speaker 1: following day of the following week. Um. I try to

1140
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Speaker 1: get up as early as I possibly can, but I

1141
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: get to bed so late trying to trying to catch up.

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01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: I mean I've been playing catch up lately, especially with

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Speaker 1: the with the show and uh, you know, my my

1144
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: career and my obligations, responsibility to the court, and so

1145
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: I've been juggling, you know, all these responsibilities and so

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01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: it's it's been a little bit more hectic. But I

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01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: try to get up. I mean I could never get

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Speaker 1: up at four o'clock in the morning. I mean if

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Speaker 1: I went to bed earlier to that. But I try

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Speaker 1: to get up at least between seven thirty and eight

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Speaker 1: o'clock every morning. Now, I had a intro was pretty dramatic,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Uh, you know, in one

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01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: you were sentenced to life in prison plus seventy two years,

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Speaker 1: and and other seventy two plus seventy two years. If

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01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: life wasn't enough, we got seven to two years. We

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01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: can just go just for just good measures. Just in

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Speaker 1: case you confused about the life, I got some two years. Wait,

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Speaker 1: no you And now you're sitting here next to me

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Speaker 1: executive producing an ABC series with my man fifty cents.

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Speaker 1: How does that happen? Brother? Come on? Um, you know

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01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: fifty was a made man when I when I when

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Speaker 1: I met him obviously, uh. And then in addition to

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Speaker 1: him being a made man in the rap world and

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Speaker 1: in business, um, he had already had one of the

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Speaker 1: number one TV shows power you know on the air

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Speaker 1: Stars and so um, I met him through uh a

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Speaker 1: mutual friend. This guy UM that I met him through.

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Speaker 1: He owned an illegal fight club. He ran an illegal

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Speaker 1: fight club in the Bronx and illegal. It was illegal. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They you know, they did the they did the fighting

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Speaker 1: things in the in the in the warehouses and the

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Speaker 1: you know, the Junkyard sanction that nothing was sanction it was.

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Speaker 1: It was actually shut down a few times by by

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. UM. And so it was it was top

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01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: of the line illegal um. But he was successful in

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01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: getting to three people to come out and watch these fights,

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Speaker 1: and as a as a popularity in the in the

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Speaker 1: fight group, it became tougher to you know, to keep

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Speaker 1: it on the ground. Even had rappers to come out,

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Speaker 1: Fat Joe, Remy mar They came out. They would perform

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Speaker 1: during intermission. And he was trying to get at a

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Speaker 1: llegal fight club. Yeah, intermission they got there rapping. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And in the ring there was a big ring. They

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: build a ring. You know, they listened. It was so sophisticated.

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Speaker 1: They had drones that was up in the in the

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01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: in the guy beating the camera down from the top

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Speaker 1: angle and streaming that, you know, the cell phones and everything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy, he really had it put together.

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Speaker 1: The problem was it was illegal. So you know, when

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Speaker 1: do you want the fifties, like, you know, fifty men,

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Speaker 1: you know, you take us really really over the top.

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Speaker 1: If you come out and perform and fIF I listen,

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Speaker 1: I gotta promote promotors license in Nevada, Nevada. If I

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Speaker 1: come to your fight club, I'm gonna lose that. I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna do that. He says. When you

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Speaker 1: get legal. Uh, you know, I'll come out and perform.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, they spent tens of thousands of

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Speaker 1: dollars an attorneys trying to get legal. Fifty even passed

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Speaker 1: him a couple and fifties attorneys basically told him upfront, listen,

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Speaker 1: you're out of your mind. It's never gonna happen. It's impossible,

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Speaker 1: uh to just move to through the regulatory issues to

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Speaker 1: get something like this legal. This just can't be done.

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Speaker 1: And so another individual who's the owner of Rough Riders,

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Speaker 1: Darren Dean, was a friend friend of mine. Uh, he

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Speaker 1: heard this guy, his name is Hove. He heard him complaining,

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Speaker 1: you know, about not being able to get legal and

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Speaker 1: all the money that they spent. So so Darren says, listen,

1208
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Speaker 1: where all these lawyers failed you. I think I got

1209
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Speaker 1: the guy that may be able to help you out.

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Speaker 1: So he introduced me to Hope, and Hope told me

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Speaker 1: his issues, and I actually went to one of the

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Speaker 1: legal flight cover. This was in two thousand and so

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Speaker 1: I went to I went to one of the the

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Speaker 1: fights just to get a feel on what was happening.

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Speaker 1: And I said, okay, you know what, I'll help you,

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Speaker 1: and I got them legal in two weeks and fifty

1217
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: went out and performed. And fifty went out and performed.

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01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: He was like, he was blown away. How to how

1219
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: in the world were you able to do this? Who

1220
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: did this? Because when he got there there was police

1221
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Speaker 1: on both sides of the street. There was hundreds of

1222
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Speaker 1: people outside. There was a police on both sides of

1223
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Speaker 1: the street, so he thought. Fifty thought when he got

1224
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: there that they were getting ready to shut it down.

1225
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: He actually just driver to acts the police, you know,

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01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: what was up? What's going on? So the police says

1227
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Speaker 1: crowd control, when when you see where out here doing

1228
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Speaker 1: crowd control? So so so like as you know, everybody going,

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Speaker 1: he cops, oh go have go have fun. We're gonna

1230
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Speaker 1: make We're just out here to make sure everybody's say,

1231
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Speaker 1: traffic flow. So he wouldn't have performed, and you know,

1232
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: he was like, how the hell did this happen. The

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01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: guy explained to fifty, you know about me, about my

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01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: story and that I had got them legal, and fifties like, listen,

1235
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Speaker 1: have him in my en next tomorrow, Man, I want

1236
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: to talk to this guy. So I sat down with Yes,

1237
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: that gotta be me. So I sat down with him

1238
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: and we talked, and you know, he was like, would

1239
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: you let me run with this as a TV show?

1240
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: You know, there was there was some talking to hear

1241
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: about a movie, but the fifty was like, nah, his

1242
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: vision was way out there. He was like, nah, but

1243
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: people want to want to hear this. Let me back

1244
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Isa said, when you say run

1245
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: with this, what was this you were talking about? What? Okay?

1246
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: The concept was was was around a movie. And when

1247
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: he heard the story, he immediately I mean I can

1248
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: see his mind turning, you know, he immediately he said

1249
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: to me. He says, he kind of stopped me and

1250
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: he said, listen, this is not this is a movie.

1251
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: Can it can be later on, but this is this

1252
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: is a TV show. This is something that people want

1253
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: to be inspired over every single week. Uh. And I

1254
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: want to be able to be comfortable in telling this

1255
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Speaker 1: story in ways where where we can continue to enlighten

1256
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: and continue to inspire and continue to provide hope to people.

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Speaker 1: So I said, you know, it's it's cool. Whatever you

1258
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: want to do. I said, okay, and he and he

1259
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: made it happen. And one of the things that that

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Speaker 1: um was very very significant to me and in dealing

1261
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Speaker 1: with that decision that he made is that the guy

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Speaker 1: that brought me to him. Now, remember this is just

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01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: an idea. There's no contracts, there's no agreements, there's nothing.

1264
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: He goes to the guy. He says, listen, I'm gonna

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01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: pay you for a year. Tomorrow. Come by my office tomorrow.

1266
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: I'll have the cash you're waiting for you. That's how

1267
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: confident he was and what he had and what he

1268
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: knew what he could do with it. He started committing

1269
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: himself before the financially, before there was any agreement. Well, no,

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01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: he didn't do it to me. He did it to

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01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: the guy that that brought me there. In other words,

1272
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: he said, listen, I'm not leaving you out. You're gonna

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01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: be a part of this too. But what i'm gonna

1274
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: do is, I'm gonna pay you in advance for an

1275
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: entire year for every episode that I believe that's going

1276
01:07:58,400 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: that I'll be able to get out the first year.

1277
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay you for that now. And he didn't

1278
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: even speak to He had spoken to nobody, no writers.

1279
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: Sony was nowhere to be found at that time. Maybec

1280
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: was nowhere to be found. He but he knew he

1281
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: saw the road, and and and he committed himself on

1282
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: that road that he saw and it materialized. I mean,

1283
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: he's he was a visionary. And when I saw that,

1284
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: because I see those things, you know, I the experience

1285
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 1: that I have in trying to survive in prison in

1286
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: a maximum security prison, and it was the only one

1287
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: for seven and a half years. It was the only

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01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: one in the state. So that meant that that that

1289
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: every undesirable that was there was put in the same

1290
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: place with everybody else. And in order to survive in

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01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 1: that environment, you have to learn how to size a

1292
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 1: person up. In zero point three seconds, I could size

1293
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: you up even if you don't open your mouth. When

1294
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: he did that, I knew because I was there, I

1295
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: was talking to him, I was studying him to the

1296
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: longer he was studying me. I was studying him. I

1297
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: knew I could roll the dice and turn my back.

1298
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: And that's what I did. I rolled the dice, walked

1299
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: out his office, and here I am. Are you happy?

1300
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: Emulated so seven and in prison? Yes, when I read

1301
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: your story, it was started. You represented yourself? Yes? Why um?

1302
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,759
Speaker 1: In trial? The first the first time I represented myself

1303
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: from the outset, but no legal training no legal training,

1304
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 1: and all I had was a high school diploma. Most

1305
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: of most of the most of the grounds that I made,

1306
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: and most of the law that I created, I created

1307
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: with the high school diploma. While I was in prison.

1308
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: Most of the people that I have that I got out,

1309
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: I got out with a high school diploma. Uh. And

1310
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: and and that's one of the reasons why I can

1311
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm still saying that today is because I haven't been

1312
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: licensed that long, because because of the challenges that they

1313
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: that is, when I actually got licensed, they investigated me.

1314
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: I passed the bar actually in two thousand and eight.

1315
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: If if I had been licensed after I passed the bar,

1316
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: I would have probably quadrupled what I had accomplished when

1317
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: I was in prison by now. And Uh. But what

1318
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: they did was they investigated me for another nine years,

1319
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: something that should have taken a couple of weeks. Uh.

1320
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,879
Speaker 1: They investigating me for nine years before giving me my license.

1321
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: And what I literally had to do. UM after nine

1322
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: years had passed, there was a Supreme Court justice, her

1323
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: name was Virginia Long out of New Jersey. She was

1324
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: one of the justices that that made a landmark ruling

1325
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: in my civil case. UM that for the first time

1326
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: in the history of that state. It made the state

1327
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: viable for conduct of prosecutors. And before it was counties,

1328
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: counties that would have been live and there was there

1329
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: was all these immunities that went with it, but my

1330
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: case changed that and she was one of the judges.

1331
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:59,759
Speaker 1: She retired um around two thousand, fifteen sixteen. She retired

1332
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: and when I found she retired, I wentn't looking for her,

1333
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: and I located her in a law firm, very huge

1334
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: law from international law from called Fox Rachaw. I called

1335
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: her up and she remembered who I was, and she

1336
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: offered me to come in for a consultation. I sat

1337
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: down with her and when she found out what was

1338
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 1: going on, she was really appalled about it. She was

1339
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: it was It was just incredible to her as a

1340
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: Supreme Court retired Supreme Court justice, because you know, the

1341
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: Supreme Court controls all of that. They're the top dogs

1342
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: when it comes down to not only the judicial system

1343
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: in the state, but also who practices and who doesn't.

1344
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: If there's disciplinary actions, they're the ones who suspends you

1345
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: or disciplinary disciplines you, or or revoke your license. They

1346
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: control all of that. So she basically let me know

1347
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: and no, no, no small terms that uh she felt

1348
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,839
Speaker 1: for my situation. She uh was going to she couldn't

1349
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: actually represent me because it was a conflict of interest

1350
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: and being that she was on the bench during my

1351
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:03,759
Speaker 1: civil case. But fortunately her husband was also a partner

1352
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: at the firm, and so she says, what I'm going

1353
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: to do is I'm going to let my husband represent you.

1354
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: That's me. My husband represents me and I represent him. Um,

1355
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: And being that I was on the bench, they understand

1356
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: what that means. So he came in and within six

1357
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: months I had a license. Within after nine years when

1358
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: he came in, within six months, I had a license.

1359
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: And there's a picture of me. You can see it

1360
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: on the internet. It's all over the internet, and it's

1361
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: on my Instagram of me being sworn in. There's a

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01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: lady with with blonde hair, light light whitish blonde hair,

1363
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: an older lady swearing me in. That sir, that's a

1364
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,759
Speaker 1: retired chief not Chief Justice, but Justice of the Supreme

1365
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: Court of the Congratulations. This problem is nationwide and and

1366
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: people are in their effects predominantly people of color. And

1367
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: so when you hear me say something like that, does

1368
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: it get you mad motivates you for change, it does,

1369
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,879
Speaker 1: and it doesn't get me mad at all. Uh, it motivates,

1370
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,560
Speaker 1: It motivates me for change. And and and to be

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01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: honest with you, Um, And this is a controversial statement

1372
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna make, but I really believe in it.

1373
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: I think as as minorities, as as blacks, um, we've

1374
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: been we've been mad for a long time. And I

1375
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: think I think we should because being mad takes a

1376
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 1: lot of energy. And I think if we refocused as

1377
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: a people, refocused that energy on making changes. Because we're

1378
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 1: a powerful people, well we really we really really are.

1379
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: And a lot of times anger has a has a

1380
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: way of distorting the way you think and the decisions

1381
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: that you make. Um. But if if we can, if

1382
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: we can, uh refocus a lot of anger into action. Uh.

1383
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: You know, I think we can move mountains as a people. Uh.

1384
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: And and you know, even for me being in the

1385
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 1: situation that I was in, there was room for for

1386
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: a lot of anger, for for for being enraged, and

1387
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 1: and just to just to give you an example of

1388
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, there was a there was a time

1389
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: early on when I had a decided that I was

1390
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: going to represent myself, and you know that was a

1391
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: time when you represent yourself in court, in court, yes,

1392
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 1: in my during my my my trials. Um. You know,

1393
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,560
Speaker 1: I had made a decision early on that I was

1394
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: going to represent myself. And I remember I was in

1395
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: my cell working on a on an emotion, and I

1396
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: was I was working almost all night, and I fell

1397
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: asleep in the middle of writing the motion, and maybe

1398
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: an hour or two I woke back up, and I

1399
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: decided that I was going to pick up where I

1400
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: left off, and I began to read what I had

1401
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: written just to kind of get myself acquainted with it again,

1402
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: and started where I left off. And and when I

1403
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: started reading, I began to look ground because it seemed

1404
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 1: to me that there was something wrong. That was I

1405
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: was beginning to look around to see where those papers

1406
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: were that I was working on, where that emotion was

1407
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: that I was working on, because I didn't even recognize

1408
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: what I was reading. It was it was so it

1409
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: was so overwhelmed with emotion and with anger that I

1410
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: didn't recognize myself. I didn't recognize the person that had

1411
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: written it. And that was that was a divine moment

1412
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 1: for me, because it it took me somewhere mentally and

1413
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: emotionally that I needed to go in the sense that

1414
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: that I was never going to have the kind of

1415
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: focus that I needed to have in order to get

1416
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 1: myself out of this situation being burdened down with the

1417
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 1: negative emotions um and. Anger is a very negative emotion.

1418
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's well placed, but most of the time, anger

1419
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: is a very very misplaced emotion. The moment I decided

1420
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: that I was going to manage and control that, uh,

1421
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: I had to learn to separate myself from my that

1422
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 1: emotional state. And the moment I did that, uh I,

1423
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: I moved into a moment of such clarity UH that

1424
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,600
Speaker 1: it was a snowball right my my, the gift that

1425
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: God had given me for the law. The first time

1426
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: I picked up the law book, it was like I

1427
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: had done it all my life, which is amazing because

1428
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: everyone in the direction you used pursuing your life until

1429
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: this happened, had absolutely no interest in the law at all,

1430
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: um and and and never picked up a law book

1431
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: before in my life. And the first time I did

1432
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: it was like I was doing it all my life.

1433
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: And in that moment of clarity, UH took a gift

1434
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 1: and turned it into a snowball rolling down a hill.

1435
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 1: So that seven and a half years later, by the

1436
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: time I got back in court, I was so good

1437
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: that I got a veteran police officer to confess, understand,

1438
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 1: and that that's how I actually how I how I

1439
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: ultimately got out a veteran cop. Uh seven and a

1440
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 1: half years before that, he was a detective in the

1441
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 1: prosecutor's office. Seven and a half years later, when I

1442
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: got him back on that stand, he was the chief

1443
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: of the police academy. That's how much he had risen.

1444
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: And and obviously he's a more sophisticated individual, and I

1445
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: was able to get him to literally not only confess,

1446
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: but to put himself in jail. Me. You know, when

1447
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:28,799
Speaker 1: you confess the misconduct like that, perjured testimony, falsifying police reports,

1448
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: you know you're you're going to jail. And so you know,

1449
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: I was just that good. Seven and a half years later,

1450
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,759
Speaker 1: no law degree, high school diploma, and I did something

1451
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: that lawyers practiced their entire life to do. I did

1452
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: that as a person as a young man with the

1453
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: with the high school diploma. Now and when I look

1454
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 1: at the television series, the lead lead actor has that

1455
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: anger in him yes, anger because it should be there,

1456
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,799
Speaker 1: because he's not he's not he's in he's not supposed

1457
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: to be. Uh. Your wife played by George Bryant. Um

1458
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: Also she's living in it with your best friend, and

1459
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 1: then your daughter. They're now living with your best friend, Yes,

1460
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: in a romantic relationship, and now you're in jail. What

1461
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: made that character development like that? What was the whole

1462
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 1: rationale was setting it up like that? Um? Well, you

1463
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: know the the the the colleague we I just gave

1464
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: you about what I had to go through to actually

1465
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,560
Speaker 1: get a license. It's a very long time. That's a

1466
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:38,759
Speaker 1: couple of decades, and so creatively, what was the decision

1467
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 1: was made to condense that? Um, so that we can

1468
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: carry the public through some of the triumphs and and

1469
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: and some of the agonies of defeat that you go

1470
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: through in that process. Uh and so and and what

1471
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: the family is going through with you and so Aaron

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01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: Wallace is a presentation of you know, all those things

1473
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: wrapped up into one, even the emotions that I was

1474
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: telling you about. One of the things about me having

1475
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: to hide that emotion and having to control it is

1476
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: that it does not give the public what was really

1477
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 1: going on inside me. And and so what we decided

1478
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: to do is we decided to allow the public to

1479
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: reflect on not only this anger, in this agony that

1480
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: Aaron was going through as a character, but also how

1481
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: he has to manage to control it in order to

1482
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: move ahead. That's that's key. And uh, you know, you

1483
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: have the the the destruction of family that occurs when

1484
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: you're when you're in prison, um, and when you're in relationships,

1485
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 1: the destruction of the relationship, the the total annihilation of

1486
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: the family nucleus. And so this, this this conflict between

1487
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: this three way conflict between Aaron, his best friend and

1488
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: and his wife, you know, is a reality. You know,

1489
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 1: these things happen, uh in the world. I went in

1490
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: uh in prison. I went into prison with the family,

1491
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: with a wife and a daughter, you know, And when

1492
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: I came out of prison, I didn't have my family anymore,

1493
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 1: you know. And so and so those are the realities

1494
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: of prison for many men, uh in America. And it's

1495
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: it's very very difficult to have a life sentence with

1496
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: seven years on top of it and people waiting for

1497
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: you to come home, you know. Uh. The the the

1498
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: general consensus is that the power of the government is

1499
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: too large for you and it's time to move on emotionally, physically.

1500
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 1: And then you trapped with that idea that I'm in

1501
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: a sc yes, wait for me, wait for me, wait

1502
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: for me. So you call. Did you ever give up

1503
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 1: with that? With that emotional damage that you know it's

1504
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: being done to your family and the fact that you

1505
01:20:56,040 --> 01:21:00,040
Speaker 1: don't know if you can actually get yourself out of jail. Um? Know,

1506
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: I didn't never give up, you know. You know. One

1507
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: of the things about about dealing with these kind of

1508
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: challenges is that is that it starts with your mind.

1509
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: My reality was that I was going to die in prison,

1510
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 1: and so that's right. But but but the reason why

1511
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: that was my reality is because someone gave me that reality.

1512
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: That reality was given to me, and so that wasn't

1513
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: the reality that I created. That was the reality that

1514
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 1: was given to me. And so what I did was

1515
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 1: I lived in my reality, the one I created. That's

1516
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: why I didn't. I wasn't going to be a slave

1517
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: to the reality that they created for me, which is important,

1518
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, which is very very control. You can control

1519
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: my reality. The reality got you living in is an

1520
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: uncontrolled environment. You don't know what the food next year

1521
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna do. You don't know if your cell door

1522
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 1: is gonna open three o'clock in the morning and someone

1523
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: comes in there, what a shame can take your life.

1524
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: You have no idea what's gonna happen to you from

1525
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 1: one day or the other. And so one of the

1526
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: things that I did was I created my own reality.

1527
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: And that reality was based on on my own intellect,

1528
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: the gifts that I had in the tenacity, uh that

1529
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: I engaged in order to protect myself and my family,

1530
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: mostly my family, because this was not just an attack

1531
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: on me. It was an attack on my family. Uh.

1532
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: And And when you look at the destruction going on

1533
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 1: around you that you are inside watching you can't do

1534
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: anything about you, you realize that this was more than

1535
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 1: just about you. This is this is about how it

1536
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 1: decimates families and communities. Absolutely, and you were right in

1537
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: the middle of that. Now, now you're an executive producer,

1538
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: you're given that title for this ABC series. We're talking

1539
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: about Isaac Right Jr. Your story inspired this series. It's

1540
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: a fictional series about a fact by a legal series

1541
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 1: and the family Dynamics. It's on ABC Arizona Tuesday nights.

1542
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: UMFs will make a guest appearance on March four. What

1543
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: is your role as executive producer of the series? Um, well,

1544
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: executive producers. Uh, they're the boss. But I mean that's

1545
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: why that's what I said. There there's a there's a

1546
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: number of us. I mean there's there's Allison Greenspan, Doug Robertson,

1547
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 1: he's an executive ducer fifty as an executive producer. You

1548
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: know the big bosses and Sony in ABC. Uh, And

1549
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: I have ABC with me right now. They're they're not

1550
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: only my boss, but but they're also my partner. Absolutely, absolutely,

1551
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: And that's where it should be. That's what that's what

1552
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: you want people. I would tell people if you if

1553
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: you're promoting your traveling alone, that's not good. You've got

1554
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: people traveling with you. That's the side that they care.

1555
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: They want to make it happen. And this is this

1556
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: is a great series, first of all, because I was

1557
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: emotionally charged by the whole breakdown of that person who

1558
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: Here's an interesting thing about the series four life that

1559
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about that's inspired by your incarceration and your

1560
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: triumph as a as a as an attorney now and

1561
01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: for Lancropison and entrepreneur. Is that as as as he's

1562
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: in prison, and then he gets to go out of prison,

1563
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: he gets to put on the suit, but then he's dictated, Hey,

1564
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 1: it's time to undress, time to go back to what

1565
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 1: you really are supposed to be. And so that really

1566
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: is a mental tub and so that really it's what

1567
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: inspires me to say, Wow, he's dealing out our root

1568
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: for him. Alright, and so you this plays out, this

1569
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: is the opening, um, I guess credits talk about I

1570
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,560
Speaker 1: used to be one of you guys, used to be

1571
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: just like you. I was free and then all of

1572
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, I got the police busted to my night

1573
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: club and found drugs and then announced me to be

1574
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 1: a King Pig announcer in life in prison, my family

1575
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: has been yanked away from me. My wife she now

1576
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 1: is living in a relationship with my best friend, my daughter.

1577
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what she's doing in her life, but

1578
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: guess what, I want to reconnect with her. And that

1579
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: is the serious. So right there, it sets up a

1580
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 1: lane of frustration and passion for the character. And so

1581
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: the serious is tied to the fact that every episode

1582
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: is this he's developing as a man because he has

1583
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 1: to redevelop as a man in prison. He's a man

1584
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: outside of prison, but a man in prison is a

1585
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: different person because you're dealing with different dynamics. And so

1586
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 1: each episode is his journey for not only trying to

1587
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: seek his freedom, but the freedom of other people, because

1588
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 1: every time he received success as a lawyer, then more

1589
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 1: people are inspired by his efforts. And that's what pushed

1590
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: me to say I want to see this show, and

1591
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 1: push me to say I want to see you. Yeah,

1592
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: and you brought up. You brought up an incredible point

1593
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: because it's the easiest thing in the world for a

1594
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 1: judge not to even look at your papers when you

1595
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: put it in. You don't know. They just rubb a

1596
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 1: stamp it. That's that's that nonsensitive stamp, denied and move on.

1597
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: It takes a certain amount of respect to allow them

1598
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 1: to force them to do a double take and say,

1599
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 1: you know what, I better read this. It takes a

1600
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: certain level of respect and so and so what this

1601
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: journey does with for life, it takes eron through that growth.

1602
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: Aaron Wallace. Aaron Wallace, you see him moving through that

1603
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: growth where you know in that first episode you saw

1604
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,560
Speaker 1: him one this win, this case that gave you a

1605
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 1: glimpse of a case with some complicated techniques, complicated techns,

1606
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: and you know, and the thing about that, the thing

1607
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: that you could because because all these things, you know,

1608
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: we talked about and they asked me about it, and

1609
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: there was a question to me about you know, you know,

1610
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,560
Speaker 1: should we should we do this? And you know, I

1611
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 1: was like, because I'm I'm so my understanding about the

1612
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 1: system is is so intimate. I was like, of course

1613
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: should you That shouldn't be even question. Yes, Ford you

1614
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: that paper, you know, because here's here's the thing about

1615
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: this country. In this country, the way your system is

1616
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 1: supposed to be shut up, set up is that it

1617
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 1: is better for a guilty man to go free than

1618
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: an innocent person to spend a day in prison for

1619
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 1: something he didn't do. We would rather be guilty to

1620
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: go free than to send an innocent person in prison.

1621
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: That is the way our system of justice is supposed

1622
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: to be set up. That is all. That is one

1623
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 1: of the guiding principles of a system of justice, so

1624
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: that we can ensure that we will do whatever it

1625
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: takes to prevent a person that's innocent from going to prison.

1626
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: And that's not how it's working. It's working differently. And

1627
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:14,719
Speaker 1: so when you see Aaron making that desperate move forging

1628
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 1: this document, he's forging this document. He is doing the

1629
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: wrong thing for the right reason. And the risk that

1630
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: he's taken, you'll see there on the line, it's going

1631
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: to come back. That risk is going to come back

1632
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: at him right and his family because he has a

1633
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: because basically a little other side noticed that a lot

1634
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: of people are not happy that he has a law

1635
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,679
Speaker 1: degree in he saw a little cool leap loop loophole

1636
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: allowed him to get it. And so every time he

1637
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 1: goes in front of a judge, you know, they questioned

1638
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: his technique, they call him a novicet, They tell him

1639
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: to do more homework. So he's constantly disrespected. But because

1640
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: he is as the as the and and the way

1641
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 1: he got the law degree, somebody vouched for him at

1642
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: a higher position, and that now what's happening on the side.

1643
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: They hate this, so their goal is to be able

1644
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: to see stop him from winning and to crush him.

1645
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: And so that carries So you know, you got your enemies,

1646
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,799
Speaker 1: you got your people, your roofa, you got the five family,

1647
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: and you got the prison. So it turns in the

1648
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 1: prison into like good guys. The angry guys are the

1649
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: d A and this guy named mask masking. They bad people,

1650
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: bad people, bad people. And so so when you when

1651
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: you see that and just letting people, why would I

1652
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 1: watch this series? How would I relate to this series?

1653
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna relate because it's as a family dynamic in it.

1654
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: You can relate because you you feel some type of pain,

1655
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: but because somebody is innocently incarcerated. And then you realize,

1656
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 1: also this is just regular people. This is regular regular people.

1657
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 1: And even even when he's uh, even when he's uh

1658
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: found out, one of the gods provides him with information

1659
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: so they know he's a good guy. And so that

1660
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: is when I'm I love good storytelling and so good

1661
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 1: story to and it helps me out one day, plug

1662
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: into the reason this action is happening? Why is it happen?

1663
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: Why is it? Why is why are we doing this?

1664
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: Because I hate it when you just jump over the

1665
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: jump over three to get the five. You know these

1666
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: dark tunnels, whether it's the information is the important information

1667
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: to give continuity is missing. But this, this story, this

1668
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 1: is continuity there and you can follow it, uh and

1669
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: you can understand, you know, why these things are happening,

1670
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 1: and the things that you don't really understand. It's hidden

1671
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,600
Speaker 1: from you in the beginning. It's revealed to you, you know,

1672
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,600
Speaker 1: revealed to you later on. But but I think they

1673
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 1: did an incredible job. I mean, uh, Nicholas peanuck? Uh?

1674
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 1: Is the am I pronouncing that right? Puck? I'm sorry.

1675
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: I hope he's not listening right now. But Nicholas, you know,

1676
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 1: he's an incredible actor. Um, he just he is so

1677
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: profound in his acting. And you've seen the episode, so

1678
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to the choir right now that it has

1679
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: it has affected me that it is. It has been

1680
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: therapeutic for me watching him because it's like it's like

1681
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Speaker 1: watching myself, and the things that he shows outwardly are

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01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: the things that I know I was feeling inside. You know.

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01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 1: You know. The interesting thing about that Nicholas plays the

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01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: character Aaron Wallace, which is the lead character in this

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01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 1: series for Life, which is on ABC airs on Tuesday night.

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01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 1: The thing about it is that you know, he keeps

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01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 1: that character with anger so close to the edge. Man,

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01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 1: I feel nervous when he with the warden. I feel

1689
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 1: nervous for him. Shut up, dude, would you should be quiet?

1690
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: Because he's always internally mad. Yeah, And that's what I

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01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: love about the character. And it makes me nervous. It

1692
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 1: makes me nervous in a good way. You know what

1693
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying from a from a viewer standpoint him and going, hey, dude,

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01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: shut up, you're about to blow it when you just

1695
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 1: calmed down, because it's character just goes so close to

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01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: the edge all the time. And that's a that's beautiful man,

1697
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: it is. And I had nobody to tell me that.

1698
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 1: I had to learn that um from from trial and

1699
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 1: error and so and so. What's beautiful about it? It's

1700
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:06,560
Speaker 1: because that reality not only taps into his humanity, but

1701
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: but it also just like what you were doing, you

1702
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: were trying to guide him from the TV sets. Shut up,

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01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 1: shut up. You push it too far. You know when

1704
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 1: they let him in, you know, because I've seen his

1705
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: anger when he led him in the room with the

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01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 1: warden by her. Please don't grab this woman start strangling. Okay, cool?

1707
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 1: Well guess what they gave me the signal. I hopefully

1708
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 1: you enjoyed this interview. I've been enjoying. We went kind

1709
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: of along, but I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep talking

1710
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: to you. I appreciate. The beautiful thing about this show

1711
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: is that Tuesday Night, my man fifty cents to be

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01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: making a guest. The parents want this character on the show.

1713
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: Do you know fifty he does it both ways? You know,

1714
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: you know fifty fifty Uh created the power series and

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01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 1: got my fifteen most shows about the bounce out Uh

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01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: and Havoc. Havoc is coming with fifty character. Havoc is

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01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 1: getting ready to come. That know all the way they

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01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 1: musty serious as every time. The show airs is a

1719
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 1: musty series on Tuesday night on ABC. For Life, I'm

1720
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 1: here with one of the executive producer. The series is

1721
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 1: inspired by his life story, Isaac Wright Jr. Look to

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Speaker 1: your children's eyes to see the true magic of a forest.

1723
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 1: It's a storybook world for them. You look and see

1724
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Speaker 1: a tree. They see the wrinkled face of a wizard

1725
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 1: with arms outstretched to the sky. They see treasuring pebbles,

1726
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,560
Speaker 1: They see a windy path that could lead to adventure,

1727
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: and they see you. They're fearless. Guide through this fascinating world.

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Speaker 1: Find a forest near you and start exploring and discover

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01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: the forest. Dot Org brought to you by the United

1730
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 1: States Forest Service and the AD Council. Look to your

1731
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: children's eyes to see the true magic of a forest.

1732
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 1: It's a storybook world for them. You look and see

1733
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 1: a tree. They see the wrinkled face of a wizard

1734
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:58,639
Speaker 1: with arms outstretched to the sky. They see treasuring pebbles.

1735
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 1: They see a windy path that could lead to adventure,

1736
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: and they see you. They're fearless. Guide. Is this fascinating world?

1737
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,839
Speaker 1: Find a forest near you and start exploring. I Discover

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01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 1: the Forest dot org brought to you by the United

1739
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 1: States Forest Service and the AD Council. What grows in

1740
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 1: the forest trees? Sure you know what else grows in

1741
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: the forest. Our imagination, our sense of wonder, and our

1742
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 1: family bonds grow too, because when we disconnect from this

1743
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 1: and connect with this, we reconnect with each other. The

1744
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 1: forest is closer than you think. Find a forest near

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01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 1: you and start exploring. I Discover the Forest dot org

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01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: brought to you by the United States Forest Service and

1747
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 1: the AD Council. Thank you. My next guest is a

1748
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:50,640
Speaker 1: talented actress and singer who was born in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

1749
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 1: You talk, I'm from Texas, so I can talk like that.

1750
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,560
Speaker 1: She right, above me, right above me. She moved to

1751
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 1: Atlanta for college and and attended an HBC you School,

1752
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 1: Atlantic University, where she majored in theater, and then moved

1753
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,719
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles and has been booking television shows, films,

1754
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,560
Speaker 1: and commercials every since. She is now starting in the

1755
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: news Tyler Perry series and it is entitled Tyler Perry's

1756
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 1: Ruthless Please Walk Up to Money Making Conversation. Melissa L. Williams,

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01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:24,720
Speaker 1: Thank you. Wow. That was a great first of all,

1758
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 1: you deserve it, you know, and you're you're out here,

1759
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 1: you know. I always tell people a lot of people

1760
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 1: are stopped based on fear, stop based on people's expectations

1761
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 1: or projections of what they should be doing in their lives,

1762
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 1: in their life. And here you are at Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

1763
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 1: I've been there several times. Uh. Eat some great barbecue

1764
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,600
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma City. By the way, I've been there some

1765
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: good bed So how do you get to Atlanta to

1766
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 1: Los Angeles from Oklahoma City? Ha? Ha? How how can

1767
01:34:55,800 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 1: your dreams be so big in Oklahoma City? Well, I'll

1768
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 1: tell you that's how you know it's your gift. When

1769
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 1: when nobody or nothing you know circumstances can stop you

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01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 1: from attaining it. I feel like my purpose I found

1771
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 1: it at a young age. M My purpose on this

1772
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: earth was this to tell a story, um, whether due

1773
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 1: to characters or my own. And that's why I think

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01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: that God has given me such a powerful testimony because

1775
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: it is definitely one that I feel can transform other

1776
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: young black women actors or even just people who live

1777
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: in small towns. You know, I feel like my story

1778
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 1: would trans transform their thinking at least enough to um

1779
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 1: make them believe that they can do it, just because

1780
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: of you know, where I'm from and where I grew

1781
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 1: up as well, right, And I think I appreciate you

1782
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 1: saying it, because you know, people look at the big

1783
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: city New York, Chicago, Houston, Atlanta, now Los Angeles, that's

1784
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: where you go to achieve. You you either from those

1785
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:10,640
Speaker 1: type of cities or you're born in those types of

1786
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:12,839
Speaker 1: cities where the real talent is just like an anything,

1787
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, it comes from everywhere. You're part of that,

1788
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 1: one of the limbs on the tree that fruit that

1789
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: we need to grow. And so when you made the

1790
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 1: decision to go to Atlanta for college, that was the

1791
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: first major decision you had to make because you were

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01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 1: leaving home Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, to Atlanta, Georgia, which we know.

1793
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,719
Speaker 1: I've been in Oklahoma City and I said they're joking earlier,

1794
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: but I was for real, I know the black population there.

1795
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 1: Now you come into a market where we remember was

1796
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: truly an African American market. What was that like? What

1797
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:43,600
Speaker 1: was that transition for you? Oh? It was definitely a

1798
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 1: culture shark. I mean, you know, there are black population

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01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. You can county on your on your on

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01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: your one hand. You know, we don't make up a

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01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 1: lot a lot of space. We'll take up a lot

1802
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 1: of space in Oklahoma, but there are black people. So

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01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,719
Speaker 1: I will just sell of that miss right now. People

1804
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 1: always ask me, oh, I know black people live in Oklahoma,

1805
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yep, yep, because here's one right here.

1806
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 1: So uh I think you know, for me, it was

1807
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:17,759
Speaker 1: a cultural shock because Atlanta obviously is about that culture

1808
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: and black love and black history and black restaurants and

1809
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,639
Speaker 1: black owned businesses and black owned designers, like it's everything black,

1810
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:28,680
Speaker 1: and that's what I wanted, you know. I I the

1811
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 1: reason why I even found out about like college in

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01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 1: Atlanta is because I was impacted on by a movie

1813
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: called Drumline. I saw that in high school, and I

1814
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 1: was like, I want that experience. I want in all

1815
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:45,679
Speaker 1: black uh experienced HDCU. I want. I want to see

1816
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 1: the girls dancing like that. I want the drum Line

1817
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 1: have rhythms like I want to be around that. So

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01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,640
Speaker 1: I looked it up online and I thought, I was

1819
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: so ready to, you know, move forward. I thought, there's

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01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 1: a school on drum Line with a real coool. So

1821
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 1: I looked up the school that it went to, and

1822
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 1: I found out that it was false obviously created for

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01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: the movie. But hey, I'm in Oklahoma, you know. I

1824
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:14,960
Speaker 1: found out that Okay, they filmed it in Atlanta on

1825
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 1: a college campus which happened to be um An HBCU,

1826
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 1: so in the au C Center that makes up more

1827
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 1: House Stemming in Clark, Atlanta. You know, all of those

1828
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 1: campuses are on one campus there in Atlanta. So I

1829
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,600
Speaker 1: applied to Spellman, I applied to Clarks, I got a

1830
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:35,599
Speaker 1: sence to Clarks, and I went to Clarks. Congratulations because

1831
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 1: that that that was the seed for while we were

1832
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: talking today and uh, because you know, HBCUs, I'm a

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01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 1: part of a lot of campaigns with hbcun't attended. I

1834
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 1: didn't attend an HBCU, but I'm such a fan of

1835
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 1: bringing the quality of educated people that their brand awareness

1836
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 1: that HBC uses given out, especially in Hollywood. All the

1837
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 1: wood has really being overrun by HBCU graduates, which is

1838
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: really positive as well as I'm sure you're finding that

1839
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 1: out as well, you know. And so with that being said, yeah,

1840
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 1: that's something that I'm I'm proud too to be a

1841
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 1: part of it as well. And I'm I'm glad that

1842
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:17,680
Speaker 1: people are mentioning that because it only puts me on

1843
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 1: business in our HBCUs. You know, like at the end

1844
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: of the day, college is a business if you ain't

1845
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:26,760
Speaker 1: nobody going and nobody's showing, and you ain't like we

1846
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: need the ABC used to be in the business. So yeah,

1847
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad that people are, like I think lean away

1848
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 1: when you um, a lot of people are coming out

1849
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: mentioning that in their journey her story, and I think

1850
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 1: that's important and that's why I had to mention it

1851
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 1: in your story in your journey. My executive producer, she's

1852
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:50,639
Speaker 1: from Hampton, you know, you know, so I gotta get

1853
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:52,720
Speaker 1: love over there. She keeps me right every every time

1854
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 1: I do this show. Now, listen, I don't want to

1855
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: get anybody mad because it may seem like I've drifted

1856
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: off into a personal conversation about your life, or do

1857
01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 1: you have a show coming out? Tyler Perry is ruthless?

1858
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: Before we talk about that show the Seed, if your

1859
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:14,960
Speaker 1: character was playing it in his other show They're over now.

1860
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 1: It was really interested. I would reading. I always trying

1861
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 1: to do additional research of what they sent over to me,

1862
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 1: and I was reading this article and he was talking

1863
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,759
Speaker 1: about you know, you said Tyler Perry was a genius.

1864
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 1: You said this guy was amazing. Why did you say

1865
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:30,679
Speaker 1: that about Tyler Perry? Because that's what I truly believe.

1866
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: I think he is amazing. I think he is genius

1867
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: any man who can write great produce. Okay, first of all,

1868
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 1: let me just start from the beginning. My background is

1869
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 1: theater major, but I did uh continue education under the

1870
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 1: media production program. So I twitched my major, okay, because

1871
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I need to learn the behind the

1872
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,560
Speaker 1: scenes because later on down the line, Um, you know,

1873
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 1: just having the theater major isn't going to be enough, right,

1874
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 1: So I need to learn how to see? Do I

1875
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: need to learn how to edit. I need to learn

1876
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:04,680
Speaker 1: learn how where did the rights go? So I have

1877
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:08,479
Speaker 1: good lighting? Right? Um? So I learned all that. And

1878
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying that to say any man that can at

1879
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 1: his level, I'm talking about Netflix skills. I'm talking about

1880
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 1: cable et own uh now with the streaming service that

1881
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 1: he's partnered with, the b t V T plus. Um

1882
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 1: anything I can write, create, produce and direct and still

1883
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 1: you know, be a personality themselves with them India Tour.

1884
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 1: That's a genius in my eyes. And if anybody wants

1885
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 1: to disagree, I'd love to talk about it. I love

1886
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I won't I won't disagree. I

1887
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:42,639
Speaker 1: will not disagree at all. I just like to talk

1888
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,640
Speaker 1: about the relationships because of the fact that, you know,

1889
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 1: everybody needs to toot that horn. It's not tied to

1890
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: just he gave you an acting shot. He's doing it

1891
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 1: over and over the years. The thing I like about

1892
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 1: Tyler Perry's that he does all these things and you

1893
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,560
Speaker 1: talked to him, it's the same guy he's you know,

1894
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't change. Did some walk on the stage floor

1895
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 1: and he's some little weird dude or some over energized person.

1896
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:06,879
Speaker 1: It's the same individual. That's that's to me is amazing,

1897
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, being that he built his career, you know,

1898
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 1: with Medea and all that stuff as an actor playing

1899
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 1: a female role of female character over the top. But

1900
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 1: he's so centered. Now, let's talk about the seriousness. Is

1901
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 1: not centered. It's Tyler Perry's the Oval. Okay, Now, okay,

1902
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 1: I got to talk about this show. If you have

1903
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 1: not seen this show, everybody, Okay, the lead characters. The

1904
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 1: guy looks like Bradley Cooper, the lead character. That's the president,

1905
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 1: the president. It's it's a it's a dysfunctional show, right

1906
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 1: that the Obamas have left the White House and a

1907
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:47,679
Speaker 1: dysfunctional family has moved in. I'm talking about I'm talking about, folks,

1908
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:53,679
Speaker 1: This functional at the steroid level has moved in. Okay, Okay,

1909
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: the President and the first lady she's black, he's white. Okay,

1910
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,439
Speaker 1: they do not They do not get a controversial. They

1911
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 1: do not get the least devolve their problems there. She's black,

1912
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 1: he's white. For these people, that's the least two problems

1913
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 1: on the show. That is like minor league that that

1914
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:16,799
Speaker 1: quickly becomes a non issue compared to the other problems

1915
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 1: that they have going on. Did they have a daughter.

1916
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 1: I gotta talk. I gott tell the doughters she's crazy. Okay.

1917
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 1: The mama actually tastes the dollar on the show, tastes

1918
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 1: her in front of people, eat the white out, in

1919
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 1: front of the in front of the security. You don't care,

1920
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 1: don't mam Her mama, her actual mom, not the step mama,

1921
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 1: her actual mama, tastes her own daughter. Mama, the mama. Okay,

1922
01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 1: she has her two kids, two kids, now their daughter. Now,

1923
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 1: this is Tyler Parris over office. I'm not gonna give

1924
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:00,639
Speaker 1: everything away, but I gotta set these characters because we're

1925
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 1: gonna get to Yeah, we got we still got to

1926
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 1: let them watch it now, Okay, no, no, you know me.

1927
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not gonna bust Tyler Perry's bubber. Well, there's

1928
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:11,799
Speaker 1: enough crazy in his on this show. Enough drug dealing

1929
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: going on this show, enough enough sex going on. I

1930
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 1: mean sex sex sex sex is going on this show

1931
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. Oh my good man. And then your character,

1932
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:29,920
Speaker 1: well that's got to be that's got number one TV.

1933
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 1: He does. I'm telling by why then your character you're

1934
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 1: part of a coat. She's saying, because you know she

1935
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 1: she could really see you know, she could really sing. Okay,

1936
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:50,759
Speaker 1: so she causedly throws in these notes along the way, humming, humming.

1937
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 1: She has a child with the with the sun of

1938
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 1: the butler at the White House, but she has a

1939
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,640
Speaker 1: twin sister. Ain't gonna go no, I'm not gonna go

1940
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 1: any further than that that she has twin sisters. So

1941
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 1: she plays two characters in the oval. Am I am

1942
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 1: I right now? But if you can correct me, Melissa,

1943
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 1: I No, No, you're right, I'm just I'm just listening, smiling. Okay. Cool.

1944
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 1: So so, so it's all set up. So picture this.

1945
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:25,280
Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, the Obama's gracious, the epitome of

1946
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:31,639
Speaker 1: elegance and has left the White House and part hood,

1947
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 1: part trailer park, part uh foolishness, part uppity, depity, stupidity

1948
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 1: has moved in. So the staff at the White House

1949
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 1: they caught off guard. They're not they're not ready for this.

1950
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 1: If you just watched I just beg I just begged

1951
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 1: people that just do me this faith. If you question

1952
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 1: every Shaw's enthusiasm, just watch the pilot. If you watch

1953
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,879
Speaker 1: the pilot, I swear to you, if you watch the pilot,

1954
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:11,760
Speaker 1: he has you you cannot believe. Well, we'll go on

1955
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 1: in the next episode. And we get to the next episode,

1956
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 1: it gets more crazy. You know what you have said,

1957
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 1: none but the truth. Let's tell us about your character

1958
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:23,720
Speaker 1: and more detail and uh, let's uh, let's let's talk

1959
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:25,639
Speaker 1: about this journey of this new series. Because it's twenty

1960
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 1: four episodes. Correct, yes, it is. It's twenty four episodes.

1961
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 1: It will be coming out on b ET Plus, which

1962
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 1: is b e t s new streaming app partners with

1963
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:40,799
Speaker 1: Tyler Perry, and that is available everywhere Android, Amazon, Apple, Roku.

1964
01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 1: It's available everywhere. You can type in on your smartphone

1965
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:48,840
Speaker 1: b et plus. Um. So that's just letting everybody know

1966
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 1: the price. It is coming out on March nine, teens

1967
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 1: and we're not dropping one, we're not dropping two. We're

1968
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:00,560
Speaker 1: dropping three episodes at one on March nineteenth, just just

1969
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:04,599
Speaker 1: to show you, you know what loose Was is about.

1970
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:07,800
Speaker 1: And literally, uh, from those three people are going to

1971
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:09,519
Speaker 1: be hooked. I mean from the first one, you're gonna

1972
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:13,599
Speaker 1: be hooked. But those three right there, right book line

1973
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:17,600
Speaker 1: and Spinker. Well, now, now like I was hooked on

1974
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 1: The Oval when it came out on BT and that

1975
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:25,559
Speaker 1: was really like an adult soapoul that's what the Oval

1976
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 1: really is. What what exactly is ruthless? What exea what exactly?

1977
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, the the Oval was more

1978
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 1: like an adult soap. Okay, what exactly is Tyler Perry's ruthless?

1979
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:40,639
Speaker 1: What exactly is the theme of that? And what drives

1980
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 1: the energy of the characters because we can get them

1981
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,680
Speaker 1: more a little more detailed in building enthusiasm because as

1982
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,759
Speaker 1: I am enthusiastic enthused about The Oval, they should definitely

1983
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 1: be enthusised because your character was very dynamic and it

1984
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:55,679
Speaker 1: was developed on The Oval show. So being this smart

1985
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 1: person than he is, Tyler Perry spends it off. This

1986
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 1: characters this character off. So tell us about the dynamics

1987
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 1: of your character that was on The Oval, because I

1988
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 1: didn't want to give that away too much. I want

1989
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 1: you to be able to express that in your own

1990
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:11,519
Speaker 1: words and then transition and over the show. Okay, okay,

1991
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:15,400
Speaker 1: So my character in uh The Oval that hasn't been

1992
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:20,479
Speaker 1: off is named Ruth. Ruth has a baby with Barry,

1993
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:28,519
Speaker 1: who is Um, the son of Nancy Um. Nancy which

1994
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:33,599
Speaker 1: is the house, the house basically the house grandmother right now,

1995
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 1: which her husband works for the White House. He's the butler.

1996
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:40,679
Speaker 1: His name is Richard. So, Um, Ruth comes and she's

1997
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: like she wants her child because Barry has full custody

1998
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 1: at the moment because of ruth past. And she's like,

1999
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 1: I want to see much to my daughter. And that

2000
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 1: turned into her kidnapping her daughter with her cult members

2001
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 1: and taking her back. Um. So Ruthless is going to

2002
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:02,640
Speaker 1: show you where she's taking her back too. So basically

2003
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:07,560
Speaker 1: Ruthis is Ruth's character, UM taking her daughter to this

2004
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 1: cold and you're going to be getting an inside look

2005
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 1: of this fanatical underground world that is the rocket issue

2006
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:20,959
Speaker 1: that's being the call Wow. And it's all shot in Atlanta.

2007
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:27,519
Speaker 1: It's all shot in Atlanta on his studios. Um, It's

2008
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 1: it's literally I think I could be wrong, but I

2009
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:35,719
Speaker 1: think I'm right. Um, this is like the first series

2010
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:39,519
Speaker 1: that he's shot like on location. So he made an

2011
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:44,640
Speaker 1: actual compound for the cult just for the show. And

2012
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 1: when I tell you, just like walking on the ground

2013
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,960
Speaker 1: of it, it's pretty, it's pretty eerie. So he's gotten

2014
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:56,600
Speaker 1: it down to even just like the aesthetics. Um, and

2015
01:49:56,760 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 1: people are going to feel the eeriness of it because

2016
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,360
Speaker 1: so at the end of the day, like this is

2017
01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:05,519
Speaker 1: someone was telling him this earlier, but it's it's kind

2018
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:09,360
Speaker 1: of like speaking to that fear of um the unknown.

2019
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:13,439
Speaker 1: Because a few books on Netflix Tyson Cult, You're gonna

2020
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:18,560
Speaker 1: get hundreds of documentaries on cults that are either inactive

2021
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,840
Speaker 1: or active or we don't know they're active, you know

2022
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: what I mean. So like these are it's a thing.

2023
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:28,439
Speaker 1: It's just no one brings it to the forefront. But

2024
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 1: I think that um, this show is is going to

2025
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:36,320
Speaker 1: be pioneering for Tyler Perry because it's getting me out

2026
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 1: of the box and and almost out of the out

2027
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:41,799
Speaker 1: of the comfort zone of like doing the lighthearted comedy

2028
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: you know what you did that with a Fall from

2029
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 1: Grace with me because of the fact that well, that's

2030
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, this is the new way. So he

2031
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 1: started with a Fall from Grace and he got all

2032
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:56,760
Speaker 1: when he's six million of those Netflix eyes on that,

2033
01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 1: and and that just made me even more say, I

2034
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 1: know Ruthless is going to have people just the same

2035
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:05,200
Speaker 1: because it's on the same as to say, he's going

2036
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 1: the same way with it, just the drama, thriller, horror type, right,

2037
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:13,519
Speaker 1: that's what uses No nothing, I never take for granted

2038
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 1: any talent, and you are a talent when you're doing characters.

2039
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:20,639
Speaker 1: And I can tease about your characters, but there's work

2040
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:24,640
Speaker 1: involved and in auditioning for this character. Tell us that

2041
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:28,120
Speaker 1: whole process and and when you got the role, and

2042
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 1: then also the announcement of the new series. Let's let's

2043
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:33,280
Speaker 1: first talk about I could like to let my my

2044
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:37,360
Speaker 1: fans know how who wanted who aspire to a world

2045
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:40,680
Speaker 1: of entertainment or the level of acting and acting that's

2046
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:45,519
Speaker 1: a job, So talk about that whole process. Oh well,

2047
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:48,320
Speaker 1: it's definitely definitely, that's definitely a job, and it's definitely

2048
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:51,760
Speaker 1: a journey one that you've got to have faith for.

2049
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 1: So um, I loose California after I after I finished

2050
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:01,760
Speaker 1: the college in Atlanta, and I came out here knowing nothing,

2051
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I do know theater. So I was

2052
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:08,720
Speaker 1: extra in Atlanta and that's like the most experience I

2053
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:12,679
Speaker 1: had had on like a TV or film that professionals set.

2054
01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 1: So when I moved here, I just started doing a

2055
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:17,599
Speaker 1: lot of research on like you know, wanting to get

2056
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:20,560
Speaker 1: your head shots, what I do Actors go on to

2057
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 1: to submit themselves for auditions. And once I started getting

2058
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:27,760
Speaker 1: all this material and knowledge by just doing it the

2059
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:33,680
Speaker 1: research myself. I was like garnering results my first role

2060
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 1: that I was on the game, and that was from

2061
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:40,760
Speaker 1: me submitting myself and my picture. It was a head shot.

2062
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:43,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't professional. I had nothing on my resume, but

2063
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 1: Jay selected me. And then the delimma was me having

2064
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 1: to get back to Atlanta to do the auditions, you know,

2065
01:52:51,439 --> 01:52:54,639
Speaker 1: and so it was another fight. And I think that, Um,

2066
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 1: it's just it takes this. I think any career, any

2067
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:03,720
Speaker 1: career was longevity takes that fight in that drive, uh,

2068
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 1: because it's not always gonna be up. It's up and down.

2069
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 1: You know, a journey is up and down, and so

2070
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 1: if you have that fight, you'll be able to survive

2071
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:16,960
Speaker 1: at all. And I think that's that's what my journey

2072
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:20,360
Speaker 1: has taught me. It's built my character as a person

2073
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:23,800
Speaker 1: to be able to withstand like all the nose until

2074
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:26,200
Speaker 1: you get the big yes, which right now for me

2075
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:30,160
Speaker 1: is this moment. So for Ruth, um, I auditioned for

2076
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 1: the Oval for another character and never audition for Ruth.

2077
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:40,759
Speaker 1: So what character character did your audition for? I auditioned

2078
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 1: for Lily. That Lily, Uh, Sierra peyton Is drawn. UM.

2079
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:49,519
Speaker 1: So auditioned for that and then I got a call

2080
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:54,000
Speaker 1: back for that and his other shows, Sences, So I

2081
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 1: had for both of the shows, and he flew us

2082
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:00,320
Speaker 1: all out to do that in Atlanta. He did it

2083
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 1: at his studios and that was the first time I

2084
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 1: had entered with studios UM and he offered me the

2085
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 1: role of Denise. So then call from Tyler Perry, huh

2086
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 1: you also used a roll of Denise. Yes, I got

2087
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 1: that was my first. Crazy. Then I got a phone

2088
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 1: call crazy daughter. Huh No, no, no, Denise is the

2089
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 1: mistress to roll. That's right, that's right. They they got

2090
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:30,160
Speaker 1: beat up. That's right, that's right, right. Yeah, yeah, so Denise,

2091
01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 1: that was my first. He offered me that one. And

2092
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 1: then and then I got a phone call um the

2093
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 1: phone number I didn't know, and I didn't answer, and

2094
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 1: then I got a text in the text said it

2095
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 1: had to Parry here. I'm trying to reach you, and

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Speaker 1: I was lying, stop stop, stopping stop. So you got

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Speaker 1: a phone call. Ain't nobody calling you, Ain't nobody calling you?

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Speaker 1: And you have not to answer a certain phone numbers

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Did you answer number? I asked everything.

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Speaker 1: I asked everything I know, I just stay no. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I don't know you by I know how to say

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Speaker 1: that real quick, Melissa, I'm telling you, so you better

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Speaker 1: stop all that. I don't know that. I'm not gonna answer, okay,

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Speaker 1: because some of those calls come from offices and the

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Speaker 1: officers don't have texting capabilities. Okay, Oh is that what

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Speaker 1: it is? Yes, ma'am. I'm telling you. I think that

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Speaker 1: my for me, for me, um, this is how. This

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Speaker 1: is my my motto. It's just important. And I don't

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Speaker 1: have your number thing and people always do just like otherwise. Huh.

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Speaker 1: I love you. I know something. I can't say that

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Speaker 1: that can't say anything to you. You submitted yourself to

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Speaker 1: the game with no representation and got and got an audition,

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Speaker 1: and you got your behind to Atlanta and you got

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Speaker 1: cast on the show. So you got the tenacity, you

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Speaker 1: got to drive. But if somebody called you from a

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Speaker 1: number you don't know, answer, Okay, answer it might be Rashawn,

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Speaker 1: might be Rashawn calling you. I might be called. Well,

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Speaker 1: now that I know that it might be used, I

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Speaker 1: will always continue a fantastic story. Continue. I'm enjoying it.

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Speaker 1: Come on. My listeners are joining it to okay. So

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Speaker 1: then he calls me, so I missed the car. I

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Speaker 1: called him back, and he just starts, you know, talking

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Speaker 1: my way because obviously he knows my number. Let me

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Speaker 1: say something. L Perry is a very smart man. He

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Speaker 1: didn't say hello when I when I called him, we

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Speaker 1: just started talking. He said, all right, cool, I'm about

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Speaker 1: to start my vacation, but I have a little time.

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Speaker 1: And I said hello, and he said, all right cool,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to start my vacation, but I have a

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Speaker 1: little time. So you're playing Denise in my new show

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Speaker 1: that over. I really want to And he just kept

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Speaker 1: talking and I was like, oh, this is really Dunn

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Speaker 1: with period and so then I just listen. No, because

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Speaker 1: I listen. You have to remember as an actress, right,

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Speaker 1: we're used to go into auditions, um and going home

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Speaker 1: and going on with our lives. Because if you dwell

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Speaker 1: on one audition, you lose your mind. So that's why

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I I did audition produce things,

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Speaker 1: but no way, he's calling me right now, you know,

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Speaker 1: so um uh he called me and he says all

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Speaker 1: these things. He's like, I want you to play route.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to work with for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing a spinoff, and I think that would be

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Speaker 1: a better role, see, you know, for your range. And

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to, like, just think about it, take

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Speaker 1: a time to think about I said, well, first of all, hi,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Perry, and then I and then I said, yes,

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Speaker 1: the answer is yet He's like, no, just think about it.

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Speaker 1: You know. It was fourth of July at that time,

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Speaker 1: so it's like this, you know, spend the holiday, think

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Speaker 1: about it. Text me in the morning with your with

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Speaker 1: the answer. I'm like, did he just all right? So

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Speaker 1: I said, you know what, okay, Mr Perry, I will

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Speaker 1: pray on it and I'll text you in the morning.

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Speaker 1: And he said okay, and I did that, and I

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Speaker 1: in my spirit it was confirmed. Could you sleep? That's

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Speaker 1: all I was doing. You know, hot fast? Can daylight

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Speaker 1: come on, let it be appropriate time six seven and

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Speaker 1: appropriate Hi, Mr Perry, I'd like to roll over. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. And that's how I went. It was

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Speaker 1: at Tech and he checked me back and he's like, sorry,

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Speaker 1: divine side you, but this is gonna be really fine.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'll be in touch with you.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, whoa, wow, congratulation, what a great

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Speaker 1: what a great story and an honest story. And your

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Speaker 1: you said it all, you arrive with with your dreams

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Speaker 1: that is a testimony that I want everybody to hear.

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Speaker 1: But before we go, I'm talking to Melissa L. Williams.

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Speaker 1: She's just start the new Tyler Perry's Ruthless series. Tell

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