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Speaker 1: our second second going with the Jackson. Yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we're experienced. Now we're honre Jackson's. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
Speaker 1: to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. How are you doing? Uh?
Speaker 1: And now we got sugar Steve. Hello, how's it going Steve?
Speaker 1: It's going good? Now. I've never I've never seen all
Speaker 1: thirty eight fifty thirty eight. That sounds like not enough? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, just enough? Uh? Like how how's like? All right?
Speaker 1: And uh, boss Bill? What's up? Wow? Even Boss Bill
Speaker 1: is happy? Yeah? Jobs. You know usually start every Quest
Speaker 1: Love Supreme episode with a barge of hyperbole and praise
Speaker 1: that usually takes about seven minutes. But if you don't
Speaker 1: know who are I guess this is the dailies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: and you listen to Quest Love Supreme's been under a rock?
Speaker 1: Yeah something something something saying literally, I will say a
Speaker 1: member probably one of the most love and respected musical dynasties, uh,
Speaker 1: celebrating their fifty anniversary and show business just wow. I
Speaker 1: remember that Soul Training episode where it was like their
Speaker 1: tenth anniversary show Business now it's fifty. That's incredible, man,
Speaker 1: that's that's a legacy for your ass ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: What else can I say but welcome Tito Jackson, Love Supreme,
Speaker 1: Benjamin Button Jackson. Yeah, and I was about to say
Speaker 1: regressing and you when I walked in the room, you
Speaker 1: thought it was my nephew. Yeah, I was. You're taking
Speaker 1: care of yourself. Man. We always knew that you and
Speaker 1: your brother Jackie had proper government names that weren't your
Speaker 1: stage names. Um so, how did you uh was Tito
Speaker 1: your middle name or your mind? How did you get
Speaker 1: your monica Tito? Papa Papa Joe name me after boxer
Speaker 1: named Tito something? So Tito's on your birth certificate? No
Speaker 1: it's not, Oh never mind. My birth certificate name is
Speaker 1: Terry okay, terrana A Daryl Daryl Jackson. Wait, those are
Speaker 1: so many names. Terrano, Darryl Jackson, Daryl, Daryl, just three
Speaker 1: names the first, middle of the last, like everybody else, Margaret, Terry,
Speaker 1: almost a Darrel. Okay, I'm sorry. So at what point
Speaker 1: were you ever? Since? I can remember so all your life,
Speaker 1: your siblings and Tito. Most people know me bot Tito,
Speaker 1: and what surprised me. We have a corporation with the brothers,
Speaker 1: and my brother handed me a credit card American Express
Speaker 1: instead of having my real name Terry. I don't know
Speaker 1: it had Tito Jackson, I said, Jackie, I can't use
Speaker 1: this right. I don't have one piece of I d
Speaker 1: that says Tito Jackson. Oh, I understand this because nobody
Speaker 1: in my family has ever called me by my birth name,
Speaker 1: like I've always been eat the junior of June Book.
Speaker 1: Like really, yeah, only we call you Bill. Okay, only
Speaker 1: my friends and and people I work with call me
Speaker 1: by my real name. Everybody else. See, now that I've
Speaker 1: put this on the internet, y'all gonna mess that up. Yes,
Speaker 1: June Bug, I can call you a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: you are a June Bug. So okay. So Tito was
Speaker 1: your your nicknames so always unless it's time to take
Speaker 1: out the garbage, then where you like didn't pay attention? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's see, Tito, I have no chores. I had plenty
Speaker 1: of I Okay. So I know you're probably tired of
Speaker 1: recapitulating the story over and over and over again. Okay,
Speaker 1: Is there is there a question about Gary, Indiana that
Speaker 1: you've not been asked that we don't know about. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. It depends on what you want
Speaker 1: to ask. Well, what what I'm really curious about? Um,
Speaker 1: I'm more curious about the creative process of how things
Speaker 1: come together. And I know that and without the whatever,
Speaker 1: under the watchful I of the iron hand of drill
Speaker 1: Sergeant Joe or whatever. But I know that to get
Speaker 1: to that level of perfection you have to put hours
Speaker 1: and hours and hours and hours of practicing exactly. So,
Speaker 1: could you give me what a typical itinerary was primo
Speaker 1: town of you guys prepping for your talent shows. Of
Speaker 1: course I can. Well, it was more like, go to school,
Speaker 1: come home, put them books over in the corner. The
Speaker 1: mics are already set up, all five microphones, amps are
Speaker 1: on standby, and we're doing it and kids are still
Speaker 1: walking home from school and then stop and by hearing
Speaker 1: the music, pushing each other out the way to try
Speaker 1: and take a look or whatever. And we rehearsed maybe
Speaker 1: three or four hours prior to doing the show that night.
Speaker 1: We usually go to Chicago, play the Peppermint Nounge of
Speaker 1: the Hot Shop around something like that, then get home
Speaker 1: like two in the morning. You know, and uh go
Speaker 1: to school next day, wake up at six seven in
Speaker 1: the morning, go school. Were you allowed any downtime from
Speaker 1: when school let out to home or was it like
Speaker 1: for me, the fear was you better be home before
Speaker 1: the uperh theme comes on, which I had to be
Speaker 1: home after three at three. Yeah, that that bell like
Speaker 1: when Carlton starts dancing. My reactions when I hear that whistle,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just like I had to be home
Speaker 1: at three. Well, my father's thing was when we weren't
Speaker 1: doing music, he said, don't let the street lights catch you.
Speaker 1: If those street lights are on and you're not in
Speaker 1: the house, you're in trouble. Yikes. Okay, so wait, can
Speaker 1: I ask a question? How often did you did you
Speaker 1: guys do the showcase or the talent, because well, we
Speaker 1: rehearsed every day and we do our home break between breaks.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so what kind of students were you guys?
Speaker 1: Great students, great students. Yeah. We also travel with a
Speaker 1: tutor after we had made it professionally, and they have
Speaker 1: rules of course, uh state laws. The kids have to
Speaker 1: work so many hours now he has to have so
Speaker 1: many hours of a break. So we had a teacher
Speaker 1: by the name of Rose Fine, and she talked. She
Speaker 1: was so cool because she would let me smoke my
Speaker 1: cigarette right in class. I was smoking as a team.
Speaker 1: You know. Were you the rebellious Jackson? Some people say that,
Speaker 1: but I don't think, like, who's the first to really
Speaker 1: test the water? Is still like I'm gonna break curfew.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hit me with that belt. So it
Speaker 1: was the myth true of the whole guitar thing, because
Speaker 1: is that the way that was presented in in the
Speaker 1: bio pick. You know, you were doing chords and stuff already.
Speaker 1: So how long did it take you too, from the
Speaker 1: first time you I had that guitar to learn chords
Speaker 1: and all those things before the string broke. Oh, it
Speaker 1: took a little while. It took it at least three
Speaker 1: to four months. You know. I was just playing with it,
Speaker 1: and I I used to go and my uncle Luth
Speaker 1: and my father would play a lot of the blues
Speaker 1: Jimmy Reid, B B. King, all these guys from old school,
Speaker 1: and I just sit there and just stare. You know,
Speaker 1: he knew I was interested, and I just stare and stare.
Speaker 1: And when he would go to work, he go to
Speaker 1: myself and Jermaine and he and Jackie. He would go,
Speaker 1: I'm going to work. Don't none of you boys touch
Speaker 1: my guitar. I'm putting it here in the closet, you know,
Speaker 1: and we being being a kid, you don't say that,
Speaker 1: you know, we want to touch it. Even more so
Speaker 1: I will take to get how I played for hours.
Speaker 1: My mom would let me play it all day long,
Speaker 1: and she said, honey, your father's gonna be home soon.
Speaker 1: Put it away, you know. So she was protecting me
Speaker 1: until I broke that string. Didn't How long did the
Speaker 1: Falcons last your father's I have no idea that because
Speaker 1: I was so young at that time, you know. But
Speaker 1: they were around a little while I was basically just
Speaker 1: a kid trying to play some music with mom called
Speaker 1: my father, and they would play blues all day and
Speaker 1: they had me doing Doom, Doom Doom. Do they get
Speaker 1: all the lead parts? And they give me maybe a
Speaker 1: minute at the end of the jam section. Okay, you
Speaker 1: can play now, you know. And I played whatever I could,
Speaker 1: you know, mistakes at all, whatever, you know. That was it.
Speaker 1: So by the time you guys were formed and the
Speaker 1: Falcons weren't necessarily doing that, No, they weren't at that time. Okay,
Speaker 1: I see, I just recently not discovered. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: there was a whole message. I knew the steel Town
Speaker 1: Recordings was forty five, but I didn't realize that there
Speaker 1: were a collection of other songs in that era. But
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, you know someone's gonna come up
Speaker 1: like start cashing, and so half of it was just
Speaker 1: rehearsals whatever. But at the time, when you guys got
Speaker 1: your thing together with steel Town, was that like an
Speaker 1: excitement thing like this is Jack Pott. It can't get
Speaker 1: nobody than this. Oh yeah, we thought we had made
Speaker 1: big time. You know, steel Town was the local label,
Speaker 1: while to Gary, Indiana and their their reach wasn't very far.
Speaker 1: I think we thought we made some noise in Texas,
Speaker 1: and we made some noise and Gary and I can't
Speaker 1: think of anywhere else in America that it was hidden.
Speaker 1: So that was pretty much the success of that first record.
Speaker 1: I'm a big boy now and knowing that you guys
Speaker 1: played the I guess you could say that the Chitland
Speaker 1: circuit of the day, we were some of the venues
Speaker 1: that you well, you the major venues that we used
Speaker 1: to do the Regal Theater in Chicago, and uh was
Speaker 1: that equivalent to the Apollo Yes, as far as the pressure, yes, well,
Speaker 1: Chicago's version of the Apollo. You know, Regal Theater. We've
Speaker 1: seen and open up for Jackie Wilson, Gladys Night, Bobby
Speaker 1: Taylor in the Vancouver's. We were basically a local band
Speaker 1: that the pros used to come through Chicago and we
Speaker 1: we were the opening act. And uh, every once in
Speaker 1: a while we'll go to the Uptown in Philly and
Speaker 1: we'll go to the Apollo Theater here in New York.
Speaker 1: And uh, that was pretty much the big, big dates
Speaker 1: for us. So I would assume that your dad would
Speaker 1: do all the driving. We had this other man by
Speaker 1: the name of Jack Richardson who was a friend of
Speaker 1: my father. He would do a lot of the driving
Speaker 1: because my father would work sometime and Jack Richardson would
Speaker 1: take us to the performances. Why ask my father want
Speaker 1: to work? I'm just trying to imagine how all the
Speaker 1: equipment and there's no such thing as backline and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. So yeah, we had a votewagon bus vowagon bus,
Speaker 1: so would load everything in the bus and back then
Speaker 1: you travel with your own PA system as well as
Speaker 1: your amps and everything. That's what I'm saying, Like, how
Speaker 1: did you guys squeeze? We slept on the amps. We
Speaker 1: slept and sat on the amps. So we took all
Speaker 1: the seats out of the car. Okay, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out the configuration and how did you get the
Speaker 1: amps and the seats and there? I wish you guys
Speaker 1: can see the look on his face. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a fift passenger van we run. No, no, no, they're
Speaker 1: driving way further than you guys do in this uncomfortable situation.
Speaker 1: In the beginning, we didn't get our first tour bus
Speaker 1: to like our second album, so listen to compare in nineties. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I get I've never thought about taking
Speaker 1: out the seats. Okay, it makes sense you hello, uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but pre seat belts too, kind of middle passage jurish
Speaker 1: pre seatbelts exactly? Do you remember us since you were
Speaker 1: a teenager at this time, right, y'all are touring you're
Speaker 1: a teenager, Yes, I was a young teenager, maybe twelve
Speaker 1: thirteen years old. Do you remember what it was like
Speaker 1: going to these different cities and this time of it
Speaker 1: was exciting, you know. I remembers, oh yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: all that. They used to put us in the back
Speaker 1: of the hotel near the dumpsters. You know, we were
Speaker 1: little kids making a lot of noise and they wanted
Speaker 1: us away from the front desk. Really so oh yeah,
Speaker 1: there in the hallways and exactly, and we did it all.
Speaker 1: So can you finally put the official stamp on who
Speaker 1: brought you the Motown? I understand that it was actually
Speaker 1: it was two people. I say it's responsible for bringing
Speaker 1: us to Motown, and that would be Gladys Night. Okay,
Speaker 1: because she tells me the story every time. I'm you're
Speaker 1: one of like twelve people. Now, No, Glad's Night, glad
Speaker 1: It's night, big big instrumental uh and Bobby Taylor of
Speaker 1: the Vancours and UH. Basically with Diana Ross, the story
Speaker 1: with Dinah Ross were just basically she presented us through
Speaker 1: the world market. Yes, she had just gone solo that
Speaker 1: she was getting ready to her first solo record at
Speaker 1: the time too, right, so that would have been like
Speaker 1: she had did it or what getting ready? But they
Speaker 1: used Dinah Ross presents to Jackson five. Yeah, Barry was
Speaker 1: thinking of marketing and mind you Uh, Tommy Chong was
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Tommy Chong was a get our player. Then
Speaker 1: Bobby Taylor. Um, so how long was it till after
Speaker 1: that um audition at Motel at least the one that
Speaker 1: we saw that where it was like official. Not long.
Speaker 1: They got us in the studio pretty much right away.
Speaker 1: You know, we were in the studio within a month.
Speaker 1: And uh. But the thing about it where we had
Speaker 1: did that audition, we didn't think we would be signed
Speaker 1: because Barry was in a corner, very stern. He would
Speaker 1: didn't show no expression, and we were like doing that
Speaker 1: things say do he like us? And this and that?
Speaker 1: And we had heard he don't want more children on
Speaker 1: his label. He having a hard time with Stevie Wonder
Speaker 1: with the social workers. He can't record you already had
Speaker 1: him in the studio for four hours. I gotta take
Speaker 1: him home. He got work, he got school tomorrow. Say
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do with five kids? I can't handle one?
Speaker 1: And uh, I guess it was Gladys and Bobby that
Speaker 1: convinced him that you have to hear these children because
Speaker 1: I always wanted a thing on that tape. Michael asked,
Speaker 1: how is that or something like, sir and I never
Speaker 1: knew what the answer was like. Yeah, speaking of five
Speaker 1: kids from the Chicago Land area, go back to promotean
Speaker 1: a little bit. Were the Five Stairs Steps? Were you
Speaker 1: guys like in competition with him constantly? We were friends,
Speaker 1: you know, Our Stealth Steps is a great group. They
Speaker 1: a young group like Jackson's War back then, and they
Speaker 1: had a song out by the name of ou Chaw.
Speaker 1: It was made a lout of noise at that time.
Speaker 1: And they used to travel. We would travel right behind
Speaker 1: them or with them or what have you. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, um between the Silvers of Tennessee, especially
Speaker 1: because they got such an early start. Um. Leon told
Speaker 1: us that from Indiana to well he was born in
Speaker 1: Indiana in Southend where I'm from. That I forgot about Leon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I didn't know that. I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'll never forget that man. Of course,
Speaker 1: everybody born in Indiana, I remember. So was it when
Speaker 1: when it's time to do these shows? Um, and I
Speaker 1: forgot even the emotions said that they were running to
Speaker 1: you guys often. Oh yeah, the emotions, and said we
Speaker 1: used to run into our emotions. And back in the
Speaker 1: day it wasn't Earthwaring as far. They were called the
Speaker 1: T Box Simmons. It was a band. Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: in a band called T Box Simmons and they would
Speaker 1: play the same place, uh, the Hushaparral. And yeah, we
Speaker 1: came up with those guys as well and emotions. So
Speaker 1: you're saying that a month after that audition, you guys
Speaker 1: got the news that you got accepted to motewl Oh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got that. Matter of fact that we got that
Speaker 1: pretty much at the audition because he walked over to
Speaker 1: us after he had we had finished our audition and
Speaker 1: we didn't know what he was going to say. He
Speaker 1: walked over and said, I'm going to take your first
Speaker 1: three records number one. Oh okay, we said, what that
Speaker 1: was unheard of, especially about black artists. You know, three
Speaker 1: records number one in the country, you know all the
Speaker 1: charts he did four times. Yeah, yeah, so he did
Speaker 1: it four times. When do you officially consider like your
Speaker 1: last day or period in Gary, Indiana as in rear
Speaker 1: view mirror, never turning back, we're being too well. We
Speaker 1: moved to California back in nineteen sixty nine, and uh,
Speaker 1: it was funny because our neighbor, uh this young lady
Speaker 1: by the name of Brenda White. She's always said, you
Speaker 1: Jackson's all of you guys in that little house making
Speaker 1: all that. No, y'all ain't going nowhere, So you know
Speaker 1: our motivations Gary, Indiana, I was like, wait, who lived
Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills. Brenda used to say, my friend sing that,
Speaker 1: just keep watching, you'll see you'll see y'all. Ever circle
Speaker 1: back to her, please tell me I haven't seen her
Speaker 1: since well. I mean, of course, of my observations with
Speaker 1: you guys is that your family was really the first
Speaker 1: to reap the benefits of the I have a dreams beach.
Speaker 1: I consider you guys really the first beneficiaries of kind
Speaker 1: of the accumulated whatever was being fought for for the
Speaker 1: civil rights movement. You guys were the beginning of that dream.
Speaker 1: And then people see you guys and they want to
Speaker 1: do great and so on and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: So but I know that being the first, and by
Speaker 1: being the first, really being like the loan black faces
Speaker 1: and a lot of white spaces and being first. How
Speaker 1: fish out of water was your experience moving to Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that you guys lived in Beverly Hills first
Speaker 1: or yeah, we lived in Hollywood first in this creek
Speaker 1: called Queen's Road, and then we moved to Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: But it was really exciting. You know, We've never seen
Speaker 1: a palm tree or anything like that, so just the
Speaker 1: land in l a X Airport, it was like exciting
Speaker 1: seeing the lights and the palm tree easing, the weather
Speaker 1: so tropical and all these things. It was like paradise
Speaker 1: to us. Nobody wanted to go back to Gary, Indiana
Speaker 1: at that time, cole winners, you know, freezing and walking
Speaker 1: to school and three and four foot snow, you know,
Speaker 1: who want that? But was there ever a feeling like,
Speaker 1: at least what my experiences where I know, like I'm
Speaker 1: the loon shark in a odd situation. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean like a NodD situation like everything's like rednecked now South,
Speaker 1: but I just mean like showing up, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm the only black person here, or that that sort
Speaker 1: of thing. We were always motivating and anxious and ready
Speaker 1: to do whatever it took. And what you guys never
Speaker 1: felt like, no, no, we've never had those feelings or
Speaker 1: felt uncomfortable. No, not really until they put us in
Speaker 1: the back by the garbage cast. Oh Motown period of touring.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we was just loud. We deserved to
Speaker 1: give it at this trash. So did you think at
Speaker 1: that point be rigorous rehearsals and schedules would slow down
Speaker 1: somewhat a little bit? They didn't. They increase, a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, But did you think that it would. I
Speaker 1: thought we made it and that means you don't have
Speaker 1: to do too much of that type of thing, you know.
Speaker 1: But of course you know quests as a musician that
Speaker 1: you gotta keep it going, baby, you gotta rehearse. And
Speaker 1: Motown rehearsed us very very very hard. They went through
Speaker 1: every little move, every step everything. Okay, So in the
Speaker 1: Motown period, what would now that you're in l A,
Speaker 1: what is your typical itinerary? There? We would go to school,
Speaker 1: whichol we went to private school. At first. I went
Speaker 1: to public school, to school called Fairfax High and Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and that only lasted so long until after the
Speaker 1: Sullivan Show and the hit records, the students chase us away.
Speaker 1: That we moved to Beverly Hills and I went to
Speaker 1: another school by the name of Universal High School, and
Speaker 1: that last I was in that school two months. Then
Speaker 1: they figured out, we can't go to a public school.
Speaker 1: So you guys were just that too famous to even do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a few hit records out and the kids
Speaker 1: were like recognizing us and they would peak in the
Speaker 1: class and that whole thing and screaming girls running down
Speaker 1: the hall and that whole thing. How did I feel?
Speaker 1: I mean, didn't feel like a goldfish or like it was.
Speaker 1: It was kind of scary because all the all the
Speaker 1: dudes wanted to your butt, jealousy, jealous and that whole thing,
Speaker 1: you know. So they figured, these guys can't go to
Speaker 1: school here, we got to put him in a private school.
Speaker 1: How close was for your public school experiences? How close
Speaker 1: was what we know as l a gang culture in
Speaker 1: those public schools? Like did you have to worry about that? Well?
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember my brother was dating this young
Speaker 1: lady body and they Kathy Bockham and Dorsey High School
Speaker 1: is in Gary as well, not Gary, I'm sorry, Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: and talking about Jackie Jackie and this other guy from
Speaker 1: Dorsey really dug this girl and he came over, brought
Speaker 1: about four or five guys over to Fairfax, calling theirself
Speaker 1: gonna whoop my butt, you know, and they didn't know
Speaker 1: that we're from Gary and you may sing and talk
Speaker 1: about ABC and girl, I think I love you, but
Speaker 1: we can put some but when we have to, because
Speaker 1: we grew up in the hood, you know, and my
Speaker 1: father had always told us to take care of ourselves
Speaker 1: because what he would do he would invite all the
Speaker 1: kids in the neighborhood over on Saturdays and have boxing matches,
Speaker 1: make us box the kids, and that wasn't I was
Speaker 1: wondering how real that team was. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, how much should we consider
Speaker 1: of that story, the Jackson, the story that is referring
Speaker 1: to the American Dream? How much a lot of it
Speaker 1: is true? You know, my father was rough, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't as rough as they portrayed him. They dramatized he's
Speaker 1: a black daddy, right, I haven't left daddy anywhere. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, how often was the That's the
Speaker 1: thing I never had because you know, because the age
Speaker 1: gap between me and my siblings. What your last name
Speaker 1: is love? So that now I never I never had that,
Speaker 1: Like you'nna get my brother, you know, like that's that's
Speaker 1: the one thing you never mess You would never mess
Speaker 1: with Yeah, you would never mess with the youngest person
Speaker 1: on any block, because they could always say I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get my cousin you Like, that's what that freshion on
Speaker 1: Tito because he wanted to Oh yeah, I was about
Speaker 1: to say. He always thought you were the oldest. Any
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not I'm not your Yeah, I'm like
Speaker 1: two and a half years younger than Jackie. But Jermaine
Speaker 1: used to always start fights in the elementary school and
Speaker 1: carry and he was started. He was started. Then leave
Speaker 1: me there to fight his battle. Didn't run home and
Speaker 1: say mother, Tito fighting. Yeah, he did that part a
Speaker 1: few times. Socially, how do you guys pair off as
Speaker 1: far as peers? Like who is your Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: that all of you are close, YadA, YadA, YadA whatever,
Speaker 1: but like who's your road dog? Who? Who are who
Speaker 1: are the road dog groups in the Jackson family or
Speaker 1: Jermaine and I hunger I hung out together, Um, Martin
Speaker 1: and Michael course hung together. And Jackie just mingled damn
Speaker 1: with all of us. He was like big brother telling
Speaker 1: us what to do. It's time to rehearse. No, you
Speaker 1: can't do that. We got to rehearse. You know, so
Speaker 1: he's the alpha. Yeah, yeah, he was father figure, he
Speaker 1: was older than everyone, the responsible, yes, okay, who was
Speaker 1: the snitch in the family, the tattle tale? Hold, okay,
Speaker 1: tell everything? He tells so much you tell on the South,
Speaker 1: you don't even That's usually how it works out the family.
Speaker 1: You know what, you're You're right about that, You're right
Speaker 1: about that. There's um uh. Harry from Motown once played
Speaker 1: me in tape of there's an ep K, well not
Speaker 1: an ePK, but kind of an audio ePK of just
Speaker 1: like you know, rapping with the Jackson five whatever, where
Speaker 1: you guys are just talking for a half hour about
Speaker 1: your hobbies and all that stuff. But Jermaine all of
Speaker 1: his all of his portions were about like kind of
Speaker 1: provoking the brothers like Michael, maybe that time when you
Speaker 1: got in trouble for Dada Da Da and Tito. Remember
Speaker 1: that time you got in trouble. I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: like why he said, what the hell? Um what? I'm
Speaker 1: also very curious about, uh, you and your brother Jermaine's
Speaker 1: craft as um as guitarists and bass players. Now, I
Speaker 1: know that Motown had a strict system, which, of course
Speaker 1: you long to get away from once you went to Epic.
Speaker 1: But I will say that based on the evidence of
Speaker 1: a lot of live tapes that I've heard of the
Speaker 1: concerts and uh, especially with going to Indiana, the special
Speaker 1: going back to Indiana, that yeah, you two were at
Speaker 1: the top of your game as far as like covering,
Speaker 1: like really in and in fine form, what the Funk
Speaker 1: Brothers would do on record and all those things. Because
Speaker 1: back of the Jackson Five early days of doing concert tours,
Speaker 1: our band contents consists of myself and Germaine and Ronnie
Speaker 1: Ransoffer on oregon and Johnny Jackson on drums, and that
Speaker 1: was the band. So how often were you who was
Speaker 1: the m d of that particular of just being rehearsals?
Speaker 1: Actually I was, you know, I was pretty much. How
Speaker 1: were the early shows crafted? Not the adult period of
Speaker 1: the Jackson's but like the early shows, Well, you're talking
Speaker 1: prior to Motown, not prior to Motown like once you
Speaker 1: guys were doing Motown. Because one one thing that I
Speaker 1: think that our audience doesn't understand, like when you're on
Speaker 1: your first two records, sometimes you have to do cover songs.
Speaker 1: We did cover and we did a lot of the
Speaker 1: album album songs we had, but a lot of those
Speaker 1: songs were covers as well, So basically that's what we did.
Speaker 1: We covered temptations or whether it was four Tops or whoever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did a lot of covers. Then who were you, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm curious about your record collection, like by the by
Speaker 1: the time that you moved to l am certain that
Speaker 1: you sort of cumulated and the Miracles of course, all
Speaker 1: the Motown attempts and all that kind of stuff. Oh jays,
Speaker 1: we follow who was your go to like your favorite
Speaker 1: who were your Jackson's? Like, who is your favorite group?
Speaker 1: Was the Temptationous really as far as a group, Yes,
Speaker 1: Temptationous We love to sly Okay, So were you guys
Speaker 1: at all thrown off being as though you were able
Speaker 1: to see in real time? Were you kind of thrown
Speaker 1: off by the Norman Whitfield period of that group, like
Speaker 1: to go from what they were the smooth presentation of
Speaker 1: what I assume that is the blueprint of what you
Speaker 1: guys were. Two suddenly they're hippie. Let's keep up with
Speaker 1: sly Stone period I think seventeen minute intros And yeah,
Speaker 1: we were basically just trying to follow out you know, uh,
Speaker 1: for Sly and the family Stone is very musical. You know,
Speaker 1: they're a little different type of setup than a Temptations
Speaker 1: Stations type of group. They're more musical, so and we
Speaker 1: enjoyed that, you know, like songs like thank You and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. You know, Sly was the man. You know,
Speaker 1: we love Billy Preston as well. Were you able to
Speaker 1: go to concert like how often would you see other
Speaker 1: shows that weren't you any time off? Not that off
Speaker 1: unless you're on the show or were running across some
Speaker 1: somewhere somehow. Yeah, was there any act that not even
Speaker 1: feeling like they might be a threat, but like that's
Speaker 1: the level we need to get to. Like the stair
Speaker 1: Steps five Stairsteps was one of those groups that we
Speaker 1: used to look at and say, that's what we have
Speaker 1: to be, like you know, or that was that rival
Speaker 1: you know how you have a rival group or whatever?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what was it? Because I've only seen like
Speaker 1: maybe one or two performances of theirs, Like what was
Speaker 1: it about their presentation that well? I think we love
Speaker 1: the way they dressed, the way they carried themselves, and
Speaker 1: they were professionals. You know, we were trying to get
Speaker 1: to that stage in our game, you know, so they
Speaker 1: had it already. They would come over to the policy
Speaker 1: and just tear it up. The young ladies would scream
Speaker 1: and holler and chased them all stage, and that's what
Speaker 1: we want. How how frightening was the Apollo experience even
Speaker 1: though I mean I'm talking about past amateur hour, once
Speaker 1: you guys were even established, Like, was there still feel
Speaker 1: fear of like we still better rocket or else? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we never really concentrated on, uh like trying to go
Speaker 1: pass what we thought we could have been. We just
Speaker 1: did what we can do, did our best at what
Speaker 1: we could do, and that that usually turned out to
Speaker 1: be pretty cool. So that's where that was. Um. I
Speaker 1: know that in the vaults and Moved Town there are
Speaker 1: hundreds like TUPAC level, Prince level of volume of finished
Speaker 1: recorded songs, songs that are fully mixed in everything, um,
Speaker 1: and not you know, the final nine or ten songs
Speaker 1: that make it. Particular Jackson's album like I think at
Speaker 1: last count, I saw at least somewhere like two hundred
Speaker 1: plus songs. So what what is the process of how
Speaker 1: songs were divided or like, how did you guys make decisions? Well,
Speaker 1: we can make that those types of these sessions. They
Speaker 1: just told you. We would come home from school right
Speaker 1: in the studio every day if we didn't have a
Speaker 1: concert or on the road, would go straight to the
Speaker 1: studio studio and do our homework in the studio, get
Speaker 1: home about ten o'clock at night, and that was it.
Speaker 1: We used to do a song a day, you know,
Speaker 1: background and lead vocals, and if we had any clean up,
Speaker 1: do it on the weekend. So, I mean, whose decision
Speaker 1: was it? Too? Like? Was it everything? Like? Okay, So
Speaker 1: here's some ten songs and what do you guys, what
Speaker 1: do you guys dig? And well, I think Motile pretty
Speaker 1: much picked the songs that we were recorded, and Uh
Speaker 1: with Hal Davis and the corporation, Freddy Parent and all
Speaker 1: those guys, you know, they already had it laid out
Speaker 1: for us. They had the keys and all those type
Speaker 1: of things, and they cut the tracks and have us
Speaker 1: to come in later and do the vocals on them.
Speaker 1: So the various producers James Carmichael, Hal David, Uh, the
Speaker 1: Mozelle brothers for a second, Richards France Mizelle, who did you?
Speaker 1: Who did you were? The brothers particularly favor as a producer. Well,
Speaker 1: we We loved working with Hal Davis because he was funny.
Speaker 1: He's you know. He We would joke a lot in
Speaker 1: in the studio, and he was so serious about it
Speaker 1: and we're little kids just plan on the mic and
Speaker 1: not serious. And he had pushed record waiting here. We
Speaker 1: just started laughing and come on, guys, come on you
Speaker 1: you know. He was really really a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: But we also enjoyed the Corporation, which was Deep Richard's
Speaker 1: fun my Zelle and Freddy parent and Barry Gordy they
Speaker 1: called themselves the Corporation, and they were a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: They were a lot of fun as well. They were
Speaker 1: young men just finishing college with the musical scholarships, and
Speaker 1: they were great writers. So how long were you guys
Speaker 1: given a particular song to learn and absorb? We learned
Speaker 1: on spot, learned in the studio. Okay, So like alright,
Speaker 1: so home Along and Dance, which songs like twelve minutes
Speaker 1: and all of you have designated parts. So would they
Speaker 1: take you one by one or is it just certain
Speaker 1: parts were taken one by one, Some projects were taken
Speaker 1: as a room. And uh, like I said, we learned
Speaker 1: that song right on the spot. You know, we're going
Speaker 1: to the studio and uh in the control room sit
Speaker 1: with the producer and he'll go through with this line
Speaker 1: that this is your life, your main this your line, Michael,
Speaker 1: your line, brothers, this you know, and that whole thing.
Speaker 1: So wait, can you answer a question for me? I
Speaker 1: always wanted to know this, Okay, be honest. When the
Speaker 1: when you guys were recording Rhythm Child, mh was there
Speaker 1: a feeling in the air like, Okay, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a bigger It's gonna be bigger than the Dance Machine
Speaker 1: because basically it's the same narrative and the same DNA
Speaker 1: as Dancing Machine. So in my mind, I felt like
Speaker 1: you guys really felt like she's a rhythm child. It's
Speaker 1: going to be like the new Dance Machine in the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. Well, that's the machine is on this song.
Speaker 1: You know that song is so magical. I love this
Speaker 1: song and I didn't think that so I was just
Speaker 1: doing what they told us to do, Okay. I always
Speaker 1: wanted to know who brought in I'll bet you for
Speaker 1: the ABC album Baby, Yeah, I bet you. I can't
Speaker 1: remember that. I think that may have been Uh, I
Speaker 1: can't remember. I'm sorry, Well, I think Barry was hands
Speaker 1: on at least for the ABC record as far as
Speaker 1: navigating it, very very would let the producers work with
Speaker 1: us and they would send a copy of the track
Speaker 1: or whatever we had did that day to him. He
Speaker 1: would study it. Didn't give them corner notes and they
Speaker 1: do you guys know George Clinton at all? Or was
Speaker 1: it just like no here random funking delic song for
Speaker 1: you guys that we didn't know George Clinton route. I'll
Speaker 1: bet you actually it's a funk a dellic song too.
Speaker 1: Thank you? You knew what I was thinking? Did you
Speaker 1: all right? So you? I mean you were prominent Contrary
Speaker 1: to uh opinion, all the brothers had parts on records,
Speaker 1: including Marlon. I didn't realize to maybe like maybe ten
Speaker 1: years ago, that that's him riffing on Mama God brand
Speaker 1: New think don't say no. In my mind, always always
Speaker 1: your main riffing. And then I realized it once I
Speaker 1: listened closer. But um was it was it your desire being?
Speaker 1: So you're the only minus Marland, you were the only
Speaker 1: one that didn't do any solo projects. Yeah, I'm well,
Speaker 1: you know, they give me those parts that nobody wanted
Speaker 1: you know the low part. You know, I've always had
Speaker 1: the low voice in the family. And so, like I said,
Speaker 1: you said, nobody wanted like yeah, well, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: Temptations was idolized group that we are Franklin exactly. So
Speaker 1: they looked at me like Melvin Franklin and that's where
Speaker 1: you stay now, you low voice. So I never got
Speaker 1: that opportunity to sing. But I didn't only sing low parts.
Speaker 1: I would all so double of the notes in the background.
Speaker 1: Then they put me in and do a little base
Speaker 1: bottom part or whatever. And sometimes I'll just make up
Speaker 1: a part just so I can be on the record too. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: So you did get to do that, because I was
Speaker 1: sitting here wondering like when did you guys get to
Speaker 1: touch the records, because you said for the longest time,
Speaker 1: y'all just go in, you know your parts. At what
Speaker 1: point were you able to have a voice and saying
Speaker 1: what do we do this? How are you feeling watching
Speaker 1: your label mets uh, Marvin Gay and Stevie Wonder especially
Speaker 1: go through such a creative uh kind of blossoming blossoming
Speaker 1: that you guys weren't able to have, Like how did
Speaker 1: how did you feel in observing, like when you're getting
Speaker 1: your copy of Intervisions and uh fulfilling this first finale,
Speaker 1: It's like, this is what we want to do. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, we are always uh idolized people like Stevie,
Speaker 1: you know, and wanted to do stuff like him, and
Speaker 1: we actually asked to be produced by him. We did Buttercup, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: we did Buttercup and uh and you're supposed to keep
Speaker 1: you loving me. I didn't realize that was there's a
Speaker 1: there's an original someone, let's get serious. I didn't know
Speaker 1: Buttercup was released. Yeah, yeah, ten years ago now, yeh
Speaker 1: finally yeah, once. But I have a follow up question
Speaker 1: REGARDSS when they when the motown was putting that out.
Speaker 1: I actually got invited over to the offices to um
Speaker 1: hear a lot of the tracks that they were going through,
Speaker 1: and one of the tracks that they played us, um
Speaker 1: it was I think the title was something like Tito Steak.
Speaker 1: It was. It was. It was introduced to us as
Speaker 1: it was going to be a Tito solo track. I've
Speaker 1: seen that real, but I've never heard it. Yeah, actually
Speaker 1: I got to hear it. I got to hear I
Speaker 1: can't remember what it sounds like, but I do remember
Speaker 1: hearing it. So what what do you remember about that?
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything. Yeah, don't even sound for him.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was the last song that I recorded before
Speaker 1: we left. So you're gonna go make my questions. I
Speaker 1: wanna Well, I'm getting there. I'm getting to the bridge now.
Speaker 1: My personal favorite period of the Jackson's is probably the
Speaker 1: period that all of you kind of like strugg at,
Speaker 1: which is seventy four Vegas Variety Show period predestiny. So
Speaker 1: let's just say, like Vegas to Golden Places. What were
Speaker 1: you personally feeling at that time as far as where
Speaker 1: the brothers were concerned. I mean, your brother Michael expressed
Speaker 1: that he felt like we were old hat and he
Speaker 1: didn't enjoy doing the variety show and all those things.
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure you heard it to be because
Speaker 1: when you're in the midst this, you have what we
Speaker 1: call haters and the people just after I think we
Speaker 1: had our first four number ones, and then we started
Speaker 1: having songs that didn't make it to the number one,
Speaker 1: and people used to come up and say, you guys
Speaker 1: have finished. You know you're not gonna Oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: gave us motivation, of course, and we've always wanted to
Speaker 1: write music and produce some of our own stuff, and
Speaker 1: that was our reason for moving on to Columbia Records
Speaker 1: at that time epic because they gave us that opportunity
Speaker 1: to have a song or two on our our albums,
Speaker 1: you know, like the Jackson's that was produced by Kenny
Speaker 1: Gamble Leon Huff. You know, they worked with us with
Speaker 1: the songs we had, you know, they and put it
Speaker 1: their their involvement and made it happen. So that was
Speaker 1: a very exciting moment for the brothers to know that
Speaker 1: they were capable of writing songs that people would love
Speaker 1: and mike and buy. So you yourself, you didn't enjoy
Speaker 1: doing the variety show or it didn't bother me at all,
Speaker 1: you know, I do. I was one of the members
Speaker 1: that whatever it is, I'm going to be there, whether
Speaker 1: we're playing in a in a closet or plan in
Speaker 1: the arena, I'm going to be there. So is that
Speaker 1: because you just loved it so much? Well? I just
Speaker 1: wanted to be a team player. Yeah. And also, I mean,
Speaker 1: like I think it would be like today if someone
Speaker 1: got a reality show, then it's like, all right, we
Speaker 1: gotta get a reality show. So I'm certain for you
Speaker 1: guys it was like wait, Osman's have a variety show
Speaker 1: and shows and Yard now and has our variety show.
Speaker 1: And there was a point where last Night and the
Speaker 1: Pips had a variety show, so Brady Bunch tried a
Speaker 1: variety show exactly. No, I know you're trying to be funny,
Speaker 1: but no, that's what I was. Was it dop As
Speaker 1: drum break orang so um speaking of the variety or
Speaker 1: not the right but the Veggas? What was it like?
Speaker 1: You know, the Veggas residency started like two months after
Speaker 1: you guys got back from Senegal, So what was what
Speaker 1: was it like? You know the difference. Why do you
Speaker 1: guys get your history from That's true, that's true. I
Speaker 1: mean you guys know more about me that were following.
Speaker 1: I never forgot everything. You know, it's been a long road.
Speaker 1: But we uh was that the first time you guys
Speaker 1: been to Africa? Or yes, she was. We went to
Speaker 1: sink all about What was it like? It was very
Speaker 1: exciting getting off the plane and that's where Michael got
Speaker 1: that Mama say Mamasa, that's what they were chatting to us.
Speaker 1: What we first went to Africa? They were singing, playing
Speaker 1: the drums, Mama saying mamasa Michael, Mama saying mamasa masa.
Speaker 1: You know what it means. I don't know how gonna say,
Speaker 1: take out that garbage? Um. Well, also, are there any
Speaker 1: memories whatsoever about um? Because there's an infamous vote. What
Speaker 1: you guys hanging with the Marley's in Jamaica? Is there
Speaker 1: any memories of that period? Did you guys know that
Speaker 1: Bob Marley was royalty? Was it just like weird guy
Speaker 1: with here? Well, we had did this show in Jamaica
Speaker 1: with the Walers, and Bob Marley was there as courts
Speaker 1: and the next day he invited us over to hang out.
Speaker 1: And so we go to Bob Marley's compound and the
Speaker 1: guys hanging out in the trees, smoking the dubes and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and it was really exciting, and he
Speaker 1: took us through the whole compound, show this where he worked,
Speaker 1: wrote this song, where he recorded and what have you.
Speaker 1: And uh, I just remember that very very much. It
Speaker 1: was a great period. And back then Bob Marley was popular,
Speaker 1: but he's not. He wasn't last today. You know, he's
Speaker 1: everywhere now because you're hanging out with the Marley's. But
Speaker 1: from what we know, you guys are were a very
Speaker 1: religious family, and you know, of course the legend of
Speaker 1: your father being strict. How did you navigate or how
Speaker 1: did did he ever say any give you disclaimers before
Speaker 1: y'all did this or that, or I know he was
Speaker 1: but but he did he say you better not do this?
Speaker 1: You bet you know? Oh yeah, we know that black Daddy,
Speaker 1: We knew, we knew what you know not? So so
Speaker 1: do I guess that you Jackson's never got a taste
Speaker 1: of the Bob Marley Ganja, No, we just asked that
Speaker 1: they smoke. We well, that was the second question I
Speaker 1: wanted to know. They tipped the Bob Marley and then
Speaker 1: John just never got a taste of them. I never,
Speaker 1: I just started smoking. And I'm like, I got bound
Speaker 1: on me right now. So wait before I before I
Speaker 1: jumped to Sony, before I jumped the epic um. By
Speaker 1: this point, you're the Jackson five end quote. Um. And
Speaker 1: I know that you were the first to get married
Speaker 1: and have kids or whatnot, So I'm assuming that you
Speaker 1: were domesticated. But I mean, I don't know. I just meant.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that you're the Jackson five,
Speaker 1: so thrown at you. What was what was? How was
Speaker 1: it hanging in Hollywood? Like I know you have a
Speaker 1: massive car or had seemed like fosy U T K
Speaker 1: card and everything like anti cars where you think, first
Speaker 1: of all, yeah, how many I hate asking black questions.
Speaker 1: That's the one that I never want to do, Like,
Speaker 1: so how many mentions do you have? How many cars
Speaker 1: do you? But I feel like you're the original Jay Leno?
Speaker 1: Like what was it about antique cars? And because anytime
Speaker 1: I've seen photos of you, it's like you're in a
Speaker 1: garage with an antique car. So like, I just always
Speaker 1: loved mechanics, you know, even when I was a young kid,
Speaker 1: you know, built mom bicycle out the Junkyard and then
Speaker 1: did a gold card and then got into cars. I love,
Speaker 1: especially the older stuff like in the twenties and that.
Speaker 1: So it's always been a love of mine. And how
Speaker 1: easy was it to get access to that back then?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying now, like if I buy a pair
Speaker 1: of Jordan's, like my business managers like a man and
Speaker 1: I'm kind of cool now, but still it's like, amen,
Speaker 1: but how many cars were you for Jordan's? Just for sneakers.
Speaker 1: But how many cars did you collect back then? Um?
Speaker 1: I had about maybe a dozen. But I have a
Speaker 1: warehouse that I put them in right right now, I
Speaker 1: have about twenty cars. Can I have a car? And
Speaker 1: how many do you let your kids drop? Well you're grown,
Speaker 1: they do, but they don't have those cars, No, they don't.
Speaker 1: They can buy the Yeah, yeah, he got some rare
Speaker 1: stuffy But is it like, are there cars just to collect?
Speaker 1: And I mean there are things I collect that I
Speaker 1: would never utilize. I got pair of Jordan's I would
Speaker 1: never wear because they will explode. But I'm just saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the thing. You gotta know. Jordan's will
Speaker 1: explode after thirty years. I get found out the hard way.
Speaker 1: So I get a pleasure out of buying a car.
Speaker 1: I'll find a car for seven hundred dollars and then
Speaker 1: you'll hook it up. I'll redo it, take every nothing
Speaker 1: vote out of it and have it powdered, blasted and
Speaker 1: really the original Jay Leno And this is you your stuff? Like,
Speaker 1: are you one of those people that can put together
Speaker 1: that car? Kid? I got the carbureted. My hands have
Speaker 1: probably got grease onto the finger nails. Now from from
Speaker 1: some car I've worked out so even to this day,
Speaker 1: like working on anti cars, like your hobby. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I've been building lately. I've been building a lot of
Speaker 1: the surfer type sixties valse wagon buses. Yeah. I love
Speaker 1: those things. Yeah, I got about nine. But you can
Speaker 1: put the seats in them. Well, I'm just saying, you know,
Speaker 1: January twenties my birthday. I'm just saying, he just said
Speaker 1: he get away. Yeah, so well, never mind, Okay, how
Speaker 1: I think of something? Okay, so going to Philadelphia, Um,
Speaker 1: by the way, Uh, my elementary school was next to
Speaker 1: Philly International and Broad Streets. So once once in a
Speaker 1: blue moon, in second or third grade, i'd see you
Speaker 1: guys like going and going out. It's gotta be freaky
Speaker 1: as a kid to see that Jackson's going. Well, I've seen,
Speaker 1: I've seen. Actually, what's weird is that you guys would
Speaker 1: even visit to say hi, even after the fact. Like
Speaker 1: I think once before a Destiny concert, you guys stopped
Speaker 1: by Broad Street and I only knew because like every
Speaker 1: human being in my school like was out in the
Speaker 1: streets chasing you guys. That's how we know that Jackson's
Speaker 1: are in proximity. Um, but in kind of the slow
Speaker 1: process that eventually led to the Destiny album leaving uh Philadelphia. Um,
Speaker 1: first of all, how how long were you guys physically infilially?
Speaker 1: Were you only there for like studio time or did
Speaker 1: you like live there? Now we are only there for
Speaker 1: studio time and the week get called in and we're
Speaker 1: do an album in two weeks and do everything and
Speaker 1: move on. Okay, so there for two weeks? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: So how long did it take for you guys to
Speaker 1: convince Ron Wisner and and I guess yeah, Freddie Dedman
Speaker 1: and Walter get Nicough to like, okay, we got to
Speaker 1: do this on our own, Like, how long did it? Well?
Speaker 1: We went to Epic Records saying that we want to
Speaker 1: write some music and produce are some of our songs?
Speaker 1: And what had happened? We had a couple of songs
Speaker 1: on the earlier albums, the Coin Place album and the
Speaker 1: Jackson's album and they did very well, and uh, they
Speaker 1: gave us the green light to do our next album,
Speaker 1: and which was Destiny, and we wrote all the songs.
Speaker 1: And so when you guys were doing the process, what
Speaker 1: was the division of labor for that album? Because now
Speaker 1: you guys have to answer to yourself, like did you
Speaker 1: have a family meeting? And well, I think we already
Speaker 1: had some songs. Maybe Jackie had a song or two.
Speaker 1: I know I had a couple of songs, and Michael
Speaker 1: had some stuff, and we get together and write the
Speaker 1: lyrics and help each other out on the song, and uh,
Speaker 1: write about situations, whether it was my mother and her
Speaker 1: politeness or whatever, and that's pretty much how it came out.
Speaker 1: He wait, wait, wait, wait, all right? Without getting personal
Speaker 1: pan pizza, okay, I often felt I always wanted to
Speaker 1: know what did you guys feel about the lyrics of Destiny,
Speaker 1: because I personally felt that was kind of Michael's passive,
Speaker 1: aggressive way of saying, guys, I want to do stuff
Speaker 1: on my own, and I don't know how to tell
Speaker 1: you guys, because to to look at the lyrical content,
Speaker 1: I felt that that was his of all of all
Speaker 1: the I want to break free themes that he's ever
Speaker 1: had in his career, that that was the most explicit, direct,
Speaker 1: but kind of underhanded. I mean, Destiny goes there, things
Speaker 1: I do for you goes there, pushed me away, goes there.
Speaker 1: Even though it's dis guy says a love song, but
Speaker 1: espectly that's what you give for being polite, which I mean,
Speaker 1: was there ever a moment where you guys were just
Speaker 1: chilling one day and it's like listen, hey, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: Like was it but you said that was about your
Speaker 1: mom's Yes, yes, and and uh things I do for you? Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we had that. I'm gonna go read those lios. I
Speaker 1: mean as much as talking. Okay, since you kind of
Speaker 1: opened that rabbit hole. Since you kind of opened that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole and we're black, can I assume that since
Speaker 1: you I don't know any successful black person that doesn't
Speaker 1: go through survivor's guilt, do you understand what survivor's guild is?
Speaker 1: As far as if someone's successful, then there's kind of
Speaker 1: the unspoken obligat to worry, need to take people with
Speaker 1: you mhm. And I know that there's friends and family
Speaker 1: and cousin Ray Ray and the cat you went to
Speaker 1: school with, and let me hold a little something, and
Speaker 1: our phone bill is cutting off, our phones getting cut
Speaker 1: off next week in dada da da da, Like how
Speaker 1: are you able to matrix dodge or avoid? You know,
Speaker 1: let me hold something real quick? Like, yo, man, can
Speaker 1: can you help her, Like, am I assuming that if
Speaker 1: these songs are factual in terms of people using and
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, how are you able to avoid
Speaker 1: or how easy are you with saying the word no?
Speaker 1: You know how easy? How easy? How easy is it
Speaker 1: to say the word no? Like again, like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: down on luck? Da dada had school tuition next week? Yo,
Speaker 1: can y'all help out? Ya da da da? Like I
Speaker 1: just I know no successful black person that manages to
Speaker 1: avoid And you're the Jackson's, which in everyone's mind in
Speaker 1: America is like family royalty. So how hard is it
Speaker 1: to avoid hanger ones or people that ask ask, ask, ask, ask, take, take, take,
Speaker 1: take take That still happens today. You know that's comes
Speaker 1: with the territory. As you know, you're going to meet
Speaker 1: people that's hanging with you. Just meet another brother. I
Speaker 1: don't mean strangers though, people people that you know just
Speaker 1: think cousins. They haven't gotten the clue. Yeah, you've been
Speaker 1: doing this for fifty years and the same people, they're
Speaker 1: still the Jackson's. I'm saying people to still asking that's no.
Speaker 1: You meet new people that still acts, but yeah you
Speaker 1: can I have a car. Yeah, I mean I'm trying
Speaker 1: to you know, I try to avoid got your journalism
Speaker 1: or whatever, but I know that it has to be
Speaker 1: awkward being a powerful family that you know, you guys
Speaker 1: have a hard time just managing and navigating your own
Speaker 1: thing without the eye roll of man is like, so
Speaker 1: is it that you change your phone numbers a lot
Speaker 1: where you're just on tour and you know that they
Speaker 1: have cell phones back then, so you're lucky. But we
Speaker 1: had a lot of protection from security and those type
Speaker 1: of things. People look after, especially the people of Motown.
Speaker 1: You know, even when we would go on the road
Speaker 1: or whatever, and if the other other Motown people around,
Speaker 1: they would be like our parents, you know, they would
Speaker 1: give us advice, don't touch drugs, don't do this, do that.
Speaker 1: So we were schooled by the Motown staff and the artists.
Speaker 1: Is it easy to still go to family reunions or
Speaker 1: your high school or hang with friends? Like are you
Speaker 1: still friends with people you're friends with four years ago?
Speaker 1: And I'm friends with friends that I have from Gary, Indiana.
Speaker 1: That's a miracle. That's Tito. Is everybody friends with people
Speaker 1: from Gary? Because I feel like we expect this from
Speaker 1: Tito for some reasons. You don't know you and we
Speaker 1: just feel like you still. I don't know, it's just
Speaker 1: my whole buddies. Yeah. I lost a lot of people
Speaker 1: in my life, a bunch of people. I just lost
Speaker 1: one of my high school friends a couple of weeks ago. Sorry.
Speaker 1: Another important element of your development as an entertainer is
Speaker 1: the live show presentation. Be Jackson Liveshield presentation. So in
Speaker 1: your in your mind with theatrics now entering the realm
Speaker 1: like Earth on Fire with their theatrics and levitating and
Speaker 1: uh Asley Brothers in smoke Machines in Parliament, Funkadelic. There
Speaker 1: was theatrics. Were you seeing shows then? And wasn't like yo,
Speaker 1: you gotta see blah blah blah like what it was.
Speaker 1: It was a period when like you're saying, you know,
Speaker 1: Earth winning Fire, they always had the great show, some
Speaker 1: type of magic illusions or whatever, and uh we felt
Speaker 1: that's where it's going. We got to do something too similar,
Speaker 1: you know, to keep the concerts exciting, to make two
Speaker 1: people want to come see you. And that's what it
Speaker 1: was like back then. You know, we're playing arenas or
Speaker 1: hopes in twenty thousand people. You know how you're gonna
Speaker 1: get all these people uh in this arena, and you
Speaker 1: had to have a show that offer more than just
Speaker 1: the music. It had to be I candy as well.
Speaker 1: So so what was that initial pitch, Like like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're all gonna get in this box and
Speaker 1: then it's gonna be like pitch dark, and then it's
Speaker 1: gonna explode, and then we're gonna come out with new outfits.
Speaker 1: Like you can have people in the business that have
Speaker 1: these creative ideas that come up with the props and
Speaker 1: things of that nature. Whatever you can imagine, they'll try
Speaker 1: to make it happen. But this was new at the time,
Speaker 1: so it's I mean, now it's nothing to do, you know,
Speaker 1: for you to say, all right, Kanye West, we were
Speaker 1: gonna levitate you on the stage throughout the stadium. But
Speaker 1: back then, you guys were definitely like I thought my
Speaker 1: cousins were lying, They're like yeah, and then they got
Speaker 1: in a box and exploded. You just lying, Marky like,
Speaker 1: how do you believe it? Until I saw my own
Speaker 1: Jackson show, I was like, oh, they really are exploding.
Speaker 1: So even at even Envy the initial days of of
Speaker 1: those tours, like there wasn't I fear like, hey man, like,
Speaker 1: there's too much like with the explosions and all that stuff. No, No,
Speaker 1: it was exciting, you know the only thing that was
Speaker 1: detrimental was the commercial we did, the Pepsi commercial. Have
Speaker 1: you seen that final tape? I finally saw it like
Speaker 1: two so's when it came online like two years ago.
Speaker 1: I didn't really have you seen it? Do you know
Speaker 1: what's crazy in whenever they listen to this, it's it's
Speaker 1: people out. There's a whole generation who do not know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Okay, So there was a Pepsi
Speaker 1: commercial shot in which um said explosions that I was
Speaker 1: speaking of. Uh Sparks went to Michael's hair and then
Speaker 1: was it you that put your jacket on top of
Speaker 1: his head? No, he called out my name. I was
Speaker 1: on the other side of the stage. He called out
Speaker 1: my name for help, but I was too far away.
Speaker 1: I think it was one of the prop men who
Speaker 1: thought that quickly. And like two or three years ago,
Speaker 1: they finally put the actual with his hair on fire,
Speaker 1: and I was I didn't realize it was that serious.
Speaker 1: Like it was. It was seven seconds of that and
Speaker 1: it would have been a whole new story. Yoh, like
Speaker 1: what was well, of course, obviously, what was the feeling
Speaker 1: of that? Like it was it hurt us very much.
Speaker 1: You know, we knew he was hurting and that he
Speaker 1: was had these serious burns to his scalp and that
Speaker 1: whole thing. And from that point I felt that was
Speaker 1: the beginning of a lot of problems for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he needed he stayed in pain a long time. I
Speaker 1: just never told us or but you guys knew that
Speaker 1: he was. Yeah, I'm circling back on that's what you
Speaker 1: get lyrics. I'm sorry, y'all. I just wanted Mama Catherine,
Speaker 1: what did she have? Bigger things? What does she want?
Speaker 1: I know she had a lot and she had nine children,
Speaker 1: but was there more that she had wanted in her life?
Speaker 1: Like what did you think she was? Kind of feels
Speaker 1: like you're missing out on or can you know, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I may have twisted that that song things
Speaker 1: I do for you as my mom, that's what you get,
Speaker 1: Like that's Johnny Jacks, Thank god, that's Johnny Jacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh wow, okay, that's better. Thank you? Come on, man,
Speaker 1: why are you chopping these gyms? And then you know ambiguous,
Speaker 1: I gotta go home and figure this movie Excube out.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Um so with with the Victory Tour leading
Speaker 1: up to it and how mammoth it us what were
Speaker 1: I mean, you know again, one person s having could
Speaker 1: be another person's health. But to be on the inside
Speaker 1: of what was then the biggest grand tour of all time, Like,
Speaker 1: what are your memories of the Victory Tour? Was it
Speaker 1: sort of like it's fun or was it like it's
Speaker 1: getting to be too much? Or no? It was never
Speaker 1: too much because being a black band and probably the
Speaker 1: first black band to do those type of venues, it
Speaker 1: was a pleasure to represent and do those. We would
Speaker 1: go into a city like New York or wherever we too,
Speaker 1: three shows at the stadium and sell them out, and
Speaker 1: that was never heard of for black bands to do that,
Speaker 1: you know. So we felt we were, you know, making
Speaker 1: a name ourself, creating history, making landmark. About to say,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask about we can change the world. Yes,
Speaker 1: very uh, very okay. Speaking of Bob Marley, I always
Speaker 1: felt that that was your kind of world music exactly.
Speaker 1: I love rage right. Even on my Tito Times album,
Speaker 1: I have a reggae song that I just sat there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I was gonna say, was that your inspiration
Speaker 1: is sort of do like a world music? Yes? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: the song is about changing the world. You've got a
Speaker 1: lot of different styles in you. Because I was listening
Speaker 1: to one song and I was like, you got the
Speaker 1: country in You do country stuff too, you know, we
Speaker 1: started out singing was like cotton Field exactly. When I
Speaker 1: heard that, I was like, yo, what do they do
Speaker 1: about that? But yeah, you know by my music is blues.
Speaker 1: I love blues. Who do you consider like god? Especially
Speaker 1: to be around in Chicago those times? Were you able
Speaker 1: to see these legends? Uh? No? No, no really no,
Speaker 1: So you guys never played blues clubs and Albert and
Speaker 1: Now I never saw aber King or any of those
Speaker 1: guys play. I would hear him on record. The albercallis
Speaker 1: Aber King, Jamie Reid, Bob King? Such, who's your favorite
Speaker 1: blues guitarist player as far as tone and Bob King
Speaker 1: and Abercollins really love him? Yeah? Wow, okay, okay. I
Speaker 1: have an article here from right On Magazine October nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy one. You also mentioned Jamie Hendricks was one of
Speaker 1: your favorites. Jimmie really, what were your thoughts or Ernie
Speaker 1: Eisley and as far as the direction that the Isles took, well,
Speaker 1: he's dope, Ernie Stope on the guitar. Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: his tone. Okay, so I know that the fruit doesn't
Speaker 1: fall far from the tree and that your son's would
Speaker 1: be Yeah. Ever, miss not to mention your son's also,
Speaker 1: uh have a you know, a successful scening career as well. Um,
Speaker 1: were you a little skeptical and knowing what you know
Speaker 1: what the businesses, We're skeptical and sort of uh encouraging
Speaker 1: them to well, like you said, knowing the show business
Speaker 1: and the ups and downs of the business. I want.
Speaker 1: They were very good athletes. They played a lot of baseball.
Speaker 1: My middle side was right number five in the state
Speaker 1: for baseball pitching, and he was Barry Bond was very
Speaker 1: looking at him and wanted to him to go to
Speaker 1: the Giants training camp and trained with him. And at
Speaker 1: the time he was recording his first album with the brothers,
Speaker 1: his brothers and uh, they they hung up the gloves
Speaker 1: and watered the prisoners pursue songs really and I felt
Speaker 1: I used to tell them, I say, hey, you can
Speaker 1: doing both. You know, when the baseball season ain't happen
Speaker 1: getting under the microphone. You can do both things. Was
Speaker 1: this t J or Trell? The t J was just
Speaker 1: as as as brilliant as an athlete as well. Mh wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they wanted to pursue sports, well, they didn't exercise that.
Speaker 1: They wanted to be entertainers because of me and their
Speaker 1: uncle's of course, how hard is it to keep them ground?
Speaker 1: Didn't humble when they're family are superheroes, they're pretty easy.
Speaker 1: You know. When did they realize like, oh shit, like, okay,
Speaker 1: this isn't normal. That's a good question. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't have the answer for you. But they always loved
Speaker 1: the business and wanted to be a part of it.
Speaker 1: You know, like they had gone to a Jackson concert
Speaker 1: when they was super young, and they're looking at the
Speaker 1: outfits picking off the Ryan songs and decided and then
Speaker 1: come home and grab bronze and mops and put on
Speaker 1: the record and yeah, and I take the record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to be like that, don't touch my guitar, didn't
Speaker 1: have it. Don't touch my guitar mount No, No, that
Speaker 1: didn't happen. I told him, if you're going to do this,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this we're not faking it and all that,
Speaker 1: we're really playing the instruments and really singing. I'd say,
Speaker 1: if you really want to do it, I'll let you
Speaker 1: use my instruments. You can go in the studio and
Speaker 1: mess around and get familiar with things. And they did.
Speaker 1: Then they showed interests. I got them some lessons and
Speaker 1: they've learned a few things here and there, and I
Speaker 1: started putting them under the microphone in the studio. Are
Speaker 1: there any second generation Jackson's that are just like doctor lawyers? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have accountants and morning kids are accountants and lawyers
Speaker 1: and like that. He don't want his kids in show business.
Speaker 1: That's even more important. Yeah, like have some behind the
Speaker 1: somebody got to count the money that you can trust.
Speaker 1: I see that. Okay. So for you're why why did
Speaker 1: it take you so long to finally like really developed.
Speaker 1: I don't think it took you that long because long
Speaker 1: after the the group had left Epic. I've seen you
Speaker 1: a few times, like you've had your blues review at
Speaker 1: various clubs. I've seen it a few times. So during
Speaker 1: that period, uh, late nineties, mid nineties or whatever, like
Speaker 1: what made you decide to like sort of scratch that
Speaker 1: blues hitch that you had, Well, it's still there, you know,
Speaker 1: it never goes away. It's part of me, you know.
Speaker 1: But most of my fans aren't blues, so I was figured,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna so they still come to the show
Speaker 1: like waiting for you to sell the funking yeah, the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Absolutely, And I just figured I need to
Speaker 1: do something to satisfy their ears, you know. So I
Speaker 1: decided my first album it's going to be for them,
Speaker 1: you know. And I just pretty much finished the blues
Speaker 1: album that I'm not ready to release because I'm going
Speaker 1: to do a Cheeto time too, and maybe third album
Speaker 1: blues record. I just did a recording with George Benson
Speaker 1: and we did we we we redid rock Me Baby
Speaker 1: George mcras, I'm sorry, okay, So there's yeah yeah, so
Speaker 1: and uh we have a baby stored on the record
Speaker 1: as well. Does she play or is she? She's a singer.
Speaker 1: She sounds fabulous too. Do you ever just go out
Speaker 1: and surprise people to go to it like a jam session?
Speaker 1: I mean just I haven't done that too much of
Speaker 1: my life. I've done it before, but not too much.
Speaker 1: Some jams sessions, Yeah, we welcome that. You know, well,
Speaker 1: if the roots do some jams exactly My point were
Speaker 1: you were you surprised at the reception of Tito time
Speaker 1: And I'm not surprised at the positive response, but you know,
Speaker 1: I'm it's always a risk out there too. I've always
Speaker 1: been very quiet, like I said, and uh, never spoke out.
Speaker 1: Never never let my you know, pants down or whatever
Speaker 1: you however you want to put it. And uh, heir,
Speaker 1: but pants is good too. Always hair hair when I
Speaker 1: let my pants down too. But anyhow, but anyhow, I
Speaker 1: think the fans accepted it very well, so I thank
Speaker 1: them for that. How often how do you guys divide
Speaker 1: your time now? Uh with touring and doing like festivals
Speaker 1: all over the world and downtime. Well, people don't understand
Speaker 1: is that people always say to me, you know, this
Speaker 1: is the last time you've seen your brother I say, well,
Speaker 1: it's been about two weeks, three weeks, two weeks, three weeks.
Speaker 1: I say, yeah, are you tired of people asking like
Speaker 1: when you're alone, like where's the you know, where's it?
Speaker 1: Like you're attested the hip, you know, but that you've
Speaker 1: been with them all And if I see my brothers,
Speaker 1: you know, I might see them every day for a
Speaker 1: month on the road. You know, when I'm not on
Speaker 1: the road, I want to get away and enjoying my
Speaker 1: life a little bit personally. Well, I see how the
Speaker 1: schedule is now, um, and you guys are you know,
Speaker 1: when it's festival time for Europe and all these other countries.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are pretty much together. So I
Speaker 1: saw you guys when you first started touring, uh like,
Speaker 1: was it two thousand, thousand, eleven um? And compared to
Speaker 1: what it is now some eight nine years later, you
Speaker 1: guys are like a full fledged operating machine. How do
Speaker 1: you How do you guys divide that time? Because I
Speaker 1: know that I know that that could be tiresome. I'm
Speaker 1: one of those people. I don't want to see the schedule,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to know what I need
Speaker 1: to do. I'm just gonna do it. Do it, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you see easier that way easier. I need to
Speaker 1: know how you prepare because I was I told the
Speaker 1: guys once I was randomly on a Jackson's tour in
Speaker 1: London about three or so years ago. And you guys
Speaker 1: still move your bodies like you did fifty years ago,
Speaker 1: and they're They're like, how many y'all do, like twelve
Speaker 1: songs at least? How do you prepare physically for something
Speaker 1: like that. It's called not taking drugs and not drink
Speaker 1: and get in your sleep and your rest because Marlin
Speaker 1: Marlin still, oh my god, Yeah, seriously. Not a stretch,
Speaker 1: not a woman on a yoga, not a not a vegan,
Speaker 1: not a not a not a keto, not a nothing.
Speaker 1: Just Marlin. He said, he don't eat any red in me,
Speaker 1: but he's healthy. You know. We have to, uh, just
Speaker 1: do it. That's all we do. Just do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not even a stretch or warm up or Marlin stretches.
Speaker 1: Of course they stretched. I don't do anything. I look
Speaker 1: at them. And when did you fall in love with
Speaker 1: the derby? I've been wearing this thing for twenty five years? Maybe? Yeah,
Speaker 1: back in the day when my kids were rolling around
Speaker 1: the UK, I went into the hattery and I discovered bowlers,
Speaker 1: that's what they Was I wrong in calling it the derby?
Speaker 1: So you're traveling with them in the very early stages
Speaker 1: of three t Yes, were the teenagers? Then? Yes? They were? Okay,
Speaker 1: so I guess yeah, yeah, they were I think fifteen
Speaker 1: sixteen and something like that in that age group genal teenagers.
Speaker 1: I see, So what is your what besides the Tito
Speaker 1: t time? What you're contemplating? What's your What is your future?
Speaker 1: What do you well? My future is to continue doing
Speaker 1: my solo thing and enjoy it. Of course, work with
Speaker 1: the brothers. I like to do a blues album and
Speaker 1: do that whole thing. And that's basically all I'm looking for,
Speaker 1: just doing my music. I'm a musician singer, so I
Speaker 1: want to have complete success in that area. I think
Speaker 1: you're success in that area. I mean you're Jackson. For
Speaker 1: God's sake, you're Jackson. Any other VAM request stive? What?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, okay, no, he's gonna give me the car.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I don't need to request it again. What.
Speaker 1: What's the car you've had the longest of your car?
Speaker 1: I have a nineteen thirty cavallet Um Model A four
Speaker 1: that I adore. That's your favorite? It's not my favorite
Speaker 1: when I had the longest I've had that? Which one
Speaker 1: is your favorite that you have? I have a nineteen
Speaker 1: Lincoln convertible that I adore. He just made me feel normal.
Speaker 1: Do you just have a regular Corolla, like just to
Speaker 1: go to the corner Stoy to get toilet papers. He
Speaker 1: go to Gilsen's. He want to go to Gilson's. That's
Speaker 1: the grocery store. If he goes to about because I
Speaker 1: live in l A now, so I just okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel you. What is your car? What's your what's
Speaker 1: your store car? You're run around and do Errand's car?
Speaker 1: Or do you have to stunt every time? I know,
Speaker 1: I actually going in cart needle. I have a few cars,
Speaker 1: I like, you know, I drive a Fiat and I
Speaker 1: drive a Dodge Realm pickup truck. That's that's a download
Speaker 1: Underratar car. Yeah, I still consider that stunting. What was
Speaker 1: the waiting for? You say, like I have a scion
Speaker 1: or something like he does. That's what that's what quest
Speaker 1: keeps scion and a key on deck just in case
Speaker 1: what my one fan chases me down the street before
Speaker 1: I let you go. Can you just tell one random
Speaker 1: is there? Is there just a random Jackson story? That's
Speaker 1: a few that you can tell. Well, when we were
Speaker 1: young back in the day and everybody knows what Jermaine
Speaker 1: is like, Betty, just give me, give me a German story.
Speaker 1: We used to have after the show you know the
Speaker 1: girls were crazy on the stage. Chase us off stage
Speaker 1: and come to the hotel. We have five girls running
Speaker 1: through the Hotel's trump good to get up the stairs,
Speaker 1: up the elevators. Put security on the stairwells and at
Speaker 1: the elevators and everywhere. Somehow Jermaine got somebody through what
Speaker 1: he told me back in the day aunties. Anyhow, Jermaine
Speaker 1: that Jermaine and Michael shared rooms. And he told Michael
Speaker 1: because he stutters a little bit. He don't do this
Speaker 1: when he sings, but when he talks he stutters a little.
Speaker 1: My god, I got a girl coming over. So when
Speaker 1: she come here, I want you to hide. So so
Speaker 1: I guess the girl knocks on the door. Okay, Michael, Hi, Hi, Mike.
Speaker 1: Mike his under the bed, right. So the young lady
Speaker 1: walks in the room and jam as enjoying her and uh,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden she goes, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I feel the third hand. Thank you very much, welcome here,
Speaker 1: any ladies and gentlemen, or and behalf of Quest Love
Speaker 1: Supreme Boss, Bill, June Bug, Sugar Steve. It's like shout
Speaker 1: out to Fontacolo and I'm made Bill, Thank you very much,
Speaker 1: Mr Jackson. Thank you. We didn't ask one question. Why
Speaker 1: did you never get the curl? Well? I never get
Speaker 1: why did you never get the curl? The curl in
Speaker 1: the hair? Oh on me, I don't want that. Ladies
Speaker 1: and gentleman, take you very much. This is a sure
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