WEBVTT - Tito Jackson 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.199 Question. Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:07.680 Do you turn me up a little bit? All right? Bet? 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:18.320 Suprema suprema role called suprema subprema role called subprema subprema 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:25.040 roll call subprema suprema role. We're making them chips or 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.200 should I say Frito's. Were the most laid back Jackson 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:36.200 of all Torrannio at Daryl Supreme Suprema road called Subprema 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:41.600 subprema rod called. My name is Sugar. Yeah, this shore 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:46.280 is nto to be right here on I Heart Radio. 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:56.720 Sama roll call such supremo roll call. It's m Yeah, 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.840 your favorite black one, Yeah with my man Tito. Yeah, 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:06.959 the finest Jackson roll call suprema so surema roll call, 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:12.640 sub prema sub prima role call boll schools. My name yeah, 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:17.040 Northern Indiana boy, Yeah, from the Jackson family. Yeah, brought 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:22.040 me a whole lot of joy. Call Sa su prema 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:28.759 roll call, SA surema road call. My name is Terry, Yeah, 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.759 my last name is Jackson. Yeah, I come with the action. Yeah, 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:40.360 that's a math faction surema roll call, so prema, so 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:46.280 su prema roll call sub prema son sub prima roll 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:53.680 call sub prema Son. Surema, roll call Wow, yeah, I 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:58.720 just recorded a song with the Jackson. Wait, this is 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.800 our second second going with the Jackson. Yeah. Yeah, so 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:07.760 we're experienced. Now we're honre Jackson's. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.960 to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. How are you doing? Uh? 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.040 And now we got sugar Steve. Hello, how's it going Steve? 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.760 It's going good? Now. I've never I've never seen all 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:26.079 thirty eight fifty thirty eight. That sounds like not enough? Well, 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:31.639 you know, just enough? Uh? Like how how's like? All right? 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.400 And uh, boss Bill? What's up? Wow? Even Boss Bill 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:43.520 is happy? Yeah? Jobs. You know usually start every Quest 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:48.720 Love Supreme episode with a barge of hyperbole and praise 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.640 that usually takes about seven minutes. But if you don't 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.840 know who are I guess this is the dailies and gentlemen, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.720 and you listen to Quest Love Supreme's been under a rock? 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:04.200 Yeah something something something saying literally, I will say a 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:09.520 member probably one of the most love and respected musical dynasties, uh, 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:14.640 celebrating their fifty anniversary and show business just wow. I 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.679 remember that Soul Training episode where it was like their 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.919 tenth anniversary show Business now it's fifty. That's incredible, man, 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.720 that's that's a legacy for your ass ladies and gentlemen. 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:28.040 What else can I say but welcome Tito Jackson, Love Supreme, 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.560 Benjamin Button Jackson. Yeah, and I was about to say 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.880 regressing and you when I walked in the room, you 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:41.600 thought it was my nephew. Yeah, I was. You're taking 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.840 care of yourself. Man. We always knew that you and 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.680 your brother Jackie had proper government names that weren't your 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:55.480 stage names. Um so, how did you uh was Tito 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.520 your middle name or your mind? How did you get 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.800 your monica Tito? Papa Papa Joe name me after boxer 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.240 named Tito something? So Tito's on your birth certificate? No 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.720 it's not, Oh never mind. My birth certificate name is 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:12.880 Terry okay, terrana A Daryl Daryl Jackson. Wait, those are 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:19.000 so many names. Terrano, Darryl Jackson, Daryl, Daryl, just three 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.240 names the first, middle of the last, like everybody else, Margaret, Terry, 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:27.680 almost a Darrel. Okay, I'm sorry. So at what point 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:32.400 were you ever? Since? I can remember so all your life, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.840 your siblings and Tito. Most people know me bot Tito, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.919 and what surprised me. We have a corporation with the brothers, 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.320 and my brother handed me a credit card American Express 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.000 instead of having my real name Terry. I don't know 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.640 it had Tito Jackson, I said, Jackie, I can't use 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.880 this right. I don't have one piece of I d 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.000 that says Tito Jackson. Oh, I understand this because nobody 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:56.800 in my family has ever called me by my birth name, 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.280 like I've always been eat the junior of June Book. 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.760 Like really, yeah, only we call you Bill. Okay, only 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.000 my friends and and people I work with call me 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.640 by my real name. Everybody else. See, now that I've 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.200 put this on the internet, y'all gonna mess that up. Yes, 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.080 June Bug, I can call you a matter of fact, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:24.120 you are a June Bug. So okay. So Tito was 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:27.400 your your nicknames so always unless it's time to take 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:34.400 out the garbage, then where you like didn't pay attention? Yeah, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.520 let's see, Tito, I have no chores. I had plenty 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:47.320 of I Okay. So I know you're probably tired of 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.159 recapitulating the story over and over and over again. Okay, 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:55.520 Is there is there a question about Gary, Indiana that 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.920 you've not been asked that we don't know about. Well, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.840 maybe I don't know. It depends on what you want 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:06.920 to ask. Well, what what I'm really curious about? Um, 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:11.119 I'm more curious about the creative process of how things 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:16.719 come together. And I know that and without the whatever, 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.679 under the watchful I of the iron hand of drill 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.719 Sergeant Joe or whatever. But I know that to get 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:28.479 to that level of perfection you have to put hours 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:32.279 and hours and hours and hours of practicing exactly. So, 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:39.679 could you give me what a typical itinerary was primo 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:45.040 town of you guys prepping for your talent shows. Of 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.440 course I can. Well, it was more like, go to school, 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.440 come home, put them books over in the corner. The 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.720 mics are already set up, all five microphones, amps are 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.200 on standby, and we're doing it and kids are still 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.680 walking home from school and then stop and by hearing 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.320 the music, pushing each other out the way to try 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.240 and take a look or whatever. And we rehearsed maybe 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.320 three or four hours prior to doing the show that night. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.920 We usually go to Chicago, play the Peppermint Nounge of 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.200 the Hot Shop around something like that, then get home 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.680 like two in the morning. You know, and uh go 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:21.920 to school next day, wake up at six seven in 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:28.000 the morning, go school. Were you allowed any downtime from 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:32.000 when school let out to home or was it like 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.920 for me, the fear was you better be home before 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.560 the uperh theme comes on, which I had to be 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.120 home after three at three. Yeah, that that bell like 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:46.080 when Carlton starts dancing. My reactions when I hear that whistle, 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.400 it's just it's just like I had to be home 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.239 at three. Well, my father's thing was when we weren't 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.720 doing music, he said, don't let the street lights catch you. 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.200 If those street lights are on and you're not in 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:02.480 the house, you're in trouble. Yikes. Okay, so wait, can 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.440 I ask a question? How often did you did you 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:08.560 guys do the showcase or the talent, because well, we 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:12.120 rehearsed every day and we do our home break between breaks. 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.160 Oh yeah, so what kind of students were you guys? 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:19.080 Great students, great students. Yeah. We also travel with a 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:23.240 tutor after we had made it professionally, and they have 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.000 rules of course, uh state laws. The kids have to 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.680 work so many hours now he has to have so 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.520 many hours of a break. So we had a teacher 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.640 by the name of Rose Fine, and she talked. She 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.680 was so cool because she would let me smoke my 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:45.079 cigarette right in class. I was smoking as a team. 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.720 You know. Were you the rebellious Jackson? Some people say that, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.640 but I don't think, like, who's the first to really 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:55.000 test the water? Is still like I'm gonna break curfew. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:09:00.560 You're not gonna hit me with that belt. So it 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.200 was the myth true of the whole guitar thing, because 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.080 is that the way that was presented in in the 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.880 bio pick. You know, you were doing chords and stuff already. 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.440 So how long did it take you too, from the 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.960 first time you I had that guitar to learn chords 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.439 and all those things before the string broke. Oh, it 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.480 took a little while. It took it at least three 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.320 to four months. You know. I was just playing with it, 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.559 and I I used to go and my uncle Luth 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.360 and my father would play a lot of the blues 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:33.720 Jimmy Reid, B B. King, all these guys from old school, 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.400 and I just sit there and just stare. You know, 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.760 he knew I was interested, and I just stare and stare. 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.560 And when he would go to work, he go to 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.040 myself and Jermaine and he and Jackie. He would go, 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.559 I'm going to work. Don't none of you boys touch 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.320 my guitar. I'm putting it here in the closet, you know, 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.800 and we being being a kid, you don't say that, 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.800 you know, we want to touch it. Even more so 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.240 I will take to get how I played for hours. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.439 My mom would let me play it all day long, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.800 and she said, honey, your father's gonna be home soon. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.000 Put it away, you know. So she was protecting me 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:17.120 until I broke that string. Didn't How long did the 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:21.080 Falcons last your father's I have no idea that because 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.319 I was so young at that time, you know. But 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.680 they were around a little while I was basically just 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.000 a kid trying to play some music with mom called 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.600 my father, and they would play blues all day and 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.960 they had me doing Doom, Doom Doom. Do they get 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.760 all the lead parts? And they give me maybe a 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.400 minute at the end of the jam section. Okay, you 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.160 can play now, you know. And I played whatever I could, 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:47.360 you know, mistakes at all, whatever, you know. That was it. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.280 So by the time you guys were formed and the 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.720 Falcons weren't necessarily doing that, No, they weren't at that time. Okay, 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.720 I see, I just recently not discovered. I didn't realize 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.800 there was a whole message. I knew the steel Town 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:07.199 Recordings was forty five, but I didn't realize that there 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.480 were a collection of other songs in that era. But 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.480 I mean, of course, you know someone's gonna come up 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.600 like start cashing, and so half of it was just 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.960 rehearsals whatever. But at the time, when you guys got 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.720 your thing together with steel Town, was that like an 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.880 excitement thing like this is Jack Pott. It can't get 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.160 nobody than this. Oh yeah, we thought we had made 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.040 big time. You know, steel Town was the local label, 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.640 while to Gary, Indiana and their their reach wasn't very far. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.920 I think we thought we made some noise in Texas, 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.560 and we made some noise and Gary and I can't 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.320 think of anywhere else in America that it was hidden. 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.240 So that was pretty much the success of that first record. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:55.800 I'm a big boy now and knowing that you guys 0:11:55.920 --> 0:12:00.840 played the I guess you could say that the Chitland 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.240 circuit of the day, we were some of the venues 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:08.719 that you well, you the major venues that we used 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.680 to do the Regal Theater in Chicago, and uh was 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.480 that equivalent to the Apollo Yes, as far as the pressure, yes, well, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.520 Chicago's version of the Apollo. You know, Regal Theater. We've 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:23.000 seen and open up for Jackie Wilson, Gladys Night, Bobby 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:27.080 Taylor in the Vancouver's. We were basically a local band 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.160 that the pros used to come through Chicago and we 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.599 we were the opening act. And uh, every once in 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.880 a while we'll go to the Uptown in Philly and 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.320 we'll go to the Apollo Theater here in New York. 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:41.840 And uh, that was pretty much the big, big dates 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.320 for us. So I would assume that your dad would 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.240 do all the driving. We had this other man by 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.480 the name of Jack Richardson who was a friend of 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.080 my father. He would do a lot of the driving 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.280 because my father would work sometime and Jack Richardson would 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.839 take us to the performances. Why ask my father want 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:04.360 to work? I'm just trying to imagine how all the 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.959 equipment and there's no such thing as backline and all 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:11.920 that stuff. So yeah, we had a votewagon bus vowagon bus, 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.160 so would load everything in the bus and back then 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.520 you travel with your own PA system as well as 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.360 your amps and everything. That's what I'm saying, Like, how 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:23.760 did you guys squeeze? We slept on the amps. We 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.600 slept and sat on the amps. So we took all 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:30.439 the seats out of the car. Okay, I'm trying to 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.200 figure out the configuration and how did you get the 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.520 amps and the seats and there? I wish you guys 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.720 can see the look on his face. I mean, there's 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.920 a fift passenger van we run. No, no, no, they're 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.319 driving way further than you guys do in this uncomfortable situation. 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:45.800 In the beginning, we didn't get our first tour bus 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:51.360 to like our second album, so listen to compare in nineties. No, 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.920 I'm just saying, I get I've never thought about taking 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:58.080 out the seats. Okay, it makes sense you hello, uncomfortable, 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:02.600 but pre seat belts too, kind of middle passage jurish 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.600 pre seatbelts exactly? Do you remember us since you were 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.079 a teenager at this time, right, y'all are touring you're 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.079 a teenager, Yes, I was a young teenager, maybe twelve 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.000 thirteen years old. Do you remember what it was like 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.880 going to these different cities and this time of it 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:23.040 was exciting, you know. I remembers, oh yeah, I remember 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:24.760 all that. They used to put us in the back 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.240 of the hotel near the dumpsters. You know, we were 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.720 little kids making a lot of noise and they wanted 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.200 us away from the front desk. Really so oh yeah, 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.640 there in the hallways and exactly, and we did it all. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:46.280 So can you finally put the official stamp on who 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.440 brought you the Motown? I understand that it was actually 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:54.400 it was two people. I say it's responsible for bringing 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.440 us to Motown, and that would be Gladys Night. Okay, 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:02.000 because she tells me the story every time. I'm you're 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.920 one of like twelve people. Now, No, Glad's Night, glad 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.880 It's night, big big instrumental uh and Bobby Taylor of 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:12.160 the Vancours and UH. Basically with Diana Ross, the story 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.240 with Dinah Ross were just basically she presented us through 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.480 the world market. Yes, she had just gone solo that 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.080 she was getting ready to her first solo record at 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.160 the time too, right, so that would have been like 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.840 she had did it or what getting ready? But they 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.440 used Dinah Ross presents to Jackson five. Yeah, Barry was 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:33.560 thinking of marketing and mind you Uh, Tommy Chong was 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.440 Oh yeah, Tommy Chong was a get our player. Then 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:44.280 Bobby Taylor. Um, so how long was it till after 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:49.000 that um audition at Motel at least the one that 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.320 we saw that where it was like official. Not long. 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.000 They got us in the studio pretty much right away. 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.120 You know, we were in the studio within a month. 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.200 And uh. But the thing about it where we had 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.520 did that audition, we didn't think we would be signed 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.320 because Barry was in a corner, very stern. He would 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.720 didn't show no expression, and we were like doing that 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.480 things say do he like us? And this and that? 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.360 And we had heard he don't want more children on 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.080 his label. He having a hard time with Stevie Wonder 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:21.240 with the social workers. He can't record you already had 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.560 him in the studio for four hours. I gotta take 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.160 him home. He got work, he got school tomorrow. Say 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.680 what I'm gonna do with five kids? I can't handle one? 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.040 And uh, I guess it was Gladys and Bobby that 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.320 convinced him that you have to hear these children because 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.720 I always wanted a thing on that tape. Michael asked, 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.200 how is that or something like, sir and I never 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:46.640 knew what the answer was like. Yeah, speaking of five 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:51.120 kids from the Chicago Land area, go back to promotean 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.440 a little bit. Were the Five Stairs Steps? Were you 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:57.760 guys like in competition with him constantly? We were friends, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.960 you know, Our Stealth Steps is a great group. They 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.640 a young group like Jackson's War back then, and they 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:04.600 had a song out by the name of ou Chaw. 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.680 It was made a lout of noise at that time. 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.240 And they used to travel. We would travel right behind 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.639 them or with them or what have you. Yeah, I 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:19.119 was gonna say, um between the Silvers of Tennessee, especially 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:24.160 because they got such an early start. Um. Leon told 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.080 us that from Indiana to well he was born in 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.560 Indiana in Southend where I'm from. That I forgot about Leon. Yeah, 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.800 well I didn't know that. I totally forgot about that. 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.120 So I mean, I'll never forget that man. Of course, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:41.600 everybody born in Indiana, I remember. So was it when 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.480 when it's time to do these shows? Um, and I 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.320 forgot even the emotions said that they were running to 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.879 you guys often. Oh yeah, the emotions, and said we 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:52.840 used to run into our emotions. And back in the 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.520 day it wasn't Earthwaring as far. They were called the 0:17:55.560 --> 0:18:01.000 T Box Simmons. It was a band. Yeah, there was 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.840 in a band called T Box Simmons and they would 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:08.919 play the same place, uh, the Hushaparral. And yeah, we 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.239 came up with those guys as well and emotions. So 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.200 you're saying that a month after that audition, you guys 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.680 got the news that you got accepted to motewl Oh. Yeah, 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.520 we got that. Matter of fact that we got that 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.720 pretty much at the audition because he walked over to 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.239 us after he had we had finished our audition and 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:27.560 we didn't know what he was going to say. He 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.560 walked over and said, I'm going to take your first 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:35.560 three records number one. Oh okay, we said, what that 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.800 was unheard of, especially about black artists. You know, three 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.000 records number one in the country, you know all the 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:46.119 charts he did four times. Yeah, yeah, so he did 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:50.880 it four times. When do you officially consider like your 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:56.440 last day or period in Gary, Indiana as in rear 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:02.159 view mirror, never turning back, we're being too well. We 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:07.520 moved to California back in nineteen sixty nine, and uh, 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.080 it was funny because our neighbor, uh this young lady 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.560 by the name of Brenda White. She's always said, you 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.160 Jackson's all of you guys in that little house making 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.320 all that. No, y'all ain't going nowhere, So you know 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:25.240 our motivations Gary, Indiana, I was like, wait, who lived 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:33.760 in Beverly Hills. Brenda used to say, my friend sing that, 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.359 just keep watching, you'll see you'll see y'all. Ever circle 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:39.800 back to her, please tell me I haven't seen her 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:50.080 since well. I mean, of course, of my observations with 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.960 you guys is that your family was really the first 0:19:53.000 --> 0:20:00.280 to reap the benefits of the I have a dreams beach. 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:06.160 I consider you guys really the first beneficiaries of kind 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.439 of the accumulated whatever was being fought for for the 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:14.000 civil rights movement. You guys were the beginning of that dream. 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:15.879 And then people see you guys and they want to 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:17.720 do great and so on and so on and so forth. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:24.000 So but I know that being the first, and by 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:29.040 being the first, really being like the loan black faces 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.920 and a lot of white spaces and being first. How 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:39.360 fish out of water was your experience moving to Los Angeles. 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.640 I'm assuming that you guys lived in Beverly Hills first 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.520 or yeah, we lived in Hollywood first in this creek 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:48.760 called Queen's Road, and then we moved to Beverly Hills. 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:52.240 But it was really exciting. You know, We've never seen 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:54.879 a palm tree or anything like that, so just the 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.080 land in l a X Airport, it was like exciting 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.840 seeing the lights and the palm tree easing, the weather 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.199 so tropical and all these things. It was like paradise 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.840 to us. Nobody wanted to go back to Gary, Indiana 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.840 at that time, cole winners, you know, freezing and walking 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.800 to school and three and four foot snow, you know, 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.240 who want that? But was there ever a feeling like, 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.320 at least what my experiences where I know, like I'm 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:24.280 the loon shark in a odd situation. And I don't 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:27.280 mean like a NodD situation like everything's like rednecked now South, 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:33.040 but I just mean like showing up, you know, and 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.200 I'm the only black person here, or that that sort 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:38.240 of thing. We were always motivating and anxious and ready 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:40.520 to do whatever it took. And what you guys never 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.200 felt like, no, no, we've never had those feelings or 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:46.240 felt uncomfortable. No, not really until they put us in 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:52.119 the back by the garbage cast. Oh Motown period of touring. 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:59.200 Oh yeah, yeah, we was just loud. We deserved to 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.679 give it at this trash. So did you think at 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:08.040 that point be rigorous rehearsals and schedules would slow down 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:11.600 somewhat a little bit? They didn't. They increase, a matter 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.000 of fact, But did you think that it would. I 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.040 thought we made it and that means you don't have 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.840 to do too much of that type of thing, you know. 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.840 But of course you know quests as a musician that 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:24.760 you gotta keep it going, baby, you gotta rehearse. And 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:31.120 Motown rehearsed us very very very hard. They went through 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:35.200 every little move, every step everything. Okay, So in the 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:39.439 Motown period, what would now that you're in l A, 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:43.800 what is your typical itinerary? There? We would go to school, 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.760 whichol we went to private school. At first. I went 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:51.119 to public school, to school called Fairfax High and Los 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:55.040 Angeles and that only lasted so long until after the 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.919 Sullivan Show and the hit records, the students chase us away. 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:02.959 That we moved to Beverly Hills and I went to 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:06.960 another school by the name of Universal High School, and 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.800 that last I was in that school two months. Then 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.280 they figured out, we can't go to a public school. 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:16.120 So you guys were just that too famous to even do. Yeah, 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:18.840 we had a few hit records out and the kids 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.560 were like recognizing us and they would peak in the 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:26.160 class and that whole thing and screaming girls running down 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.320 the hall and that whole thing. How did I feel? 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.439 I mean, didn't feel like a goldfish or like it was. 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:33.720 It was kind of scary because all the all the 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:38.960 dudes wanted to your butt, jealousy, jealous and that whole thing, 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.119 you know. So they figured, these guys can't go to 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.159 school here, we got to put him in a private school. 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:48.960 How close was for your public school experiences? How close 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.879 was what we know as l a gang culture in 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:55.280 those public schools? Like did you have to worry about that? Well? 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:59.119 I remember, I remember my brother was dating this young 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:03.080 lady body and they Kathy Bockham and Dorsey High School 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:06.480 is in Gary as well, not Gary, I'm sorry, Los Angeles, 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:11.560 and talking about Jackie Jackie and this other guy from 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:15.160 Dorsey really dug this girl and he came over, brought 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:19.520 about four or five guys over to Fairfax, calling theirself 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.600 gonna whoop my butt, you know, and they didn't know 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:27.360 that we're from Gary and you may sing and talk 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:29.760 about ABC and girl, I think I love you, but 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:32.560 we can put some but when we have to, because 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.000 we grew up in the hood, you know, and my 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.440 father had always told us to take care of ourselves 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:41.960 because what he would do he would invite all the 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.800 kids in the neighborhood over on Saturdays and have boxing matches, 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:49.600 make us box the kids, and that wasn't I was 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:52.240 wondering how real that team was. Oh yeah, oh yeah. 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:54.040 I was gonna ask you, how much should we consider 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.920 of that story, the Jackson, the story that is referring 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:02.080 to the American Dream? How much a lot of it 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.600