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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, we have a final four. On one side

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Speaker 1: Many of you listening to this may have joined one

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Speaker 1: It's been a very very busy time of year, given

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Speaker 1: are again, Dan recording deep into the night on a Thursday,

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Speaker 1: with news that Notre Dame is now the fourth team

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Speaker 1: to make the college football Playoff semi final. How are you,

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Speaker 1: my friend? You look cozy.

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Speaker 2: I'm great, Ty, this is really interesting to me. It's

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Speaker 2: all really interesting to me. There are so many different

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Speaker 2: angles to consider right now.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three SEC team is in the final four.

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Speaker 2: That's different. That's new. Notre Dame Penn State. We've got

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Speaker 2: a solid verbal east right, the Ty hilden Brandt connection

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Speaker 1: I need the Lara Quinn Jersey stat I need to

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Speaker 2: Yes, So we have that going. That's why in Miami

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Speaker 2: I don't know a lot to consider here, Ty, I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for both of these matchups, probably equally so

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Speaker 2: But Notre Dame beating Georgia the way they did, I'm

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Speaker 2: So I had to get at least one of these picks, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Georgia obviously down Carson Beck, but didn't It wasn't a

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Speaker 2: huge difference. Gunter Stockton was a totally winning quarterback in

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Speaker 2: his effort against Notre Dame. To me, wow, is I

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Speaker 1: Five, we have a six, we have a seven, and

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Speaker 1: Who gets the buy the structure of this new playoff system.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised how much it felt like Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: It's twenty to ten with ten minutes left. That's a

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Speaker 2: Everything Georgia seemed to try was met with two and

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame just.

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Speaker 2: Made it difficult. If Georgia was going to win this game,

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Speaker 2: They also got to Gunner Stockton. They also forced well

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, it was just setting up third and

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: It sets up some fascinating narratives, storylines, matchups, interesting humans

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Speaker 1: I have a list of questions here for you, all right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, what have we seen from Texas this year?

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Speaker 2: You know, they beat a DJ lagway less Florida. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And so what happened that Arizona State game, No, not

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Speaker 1: this is partially a Kenny Dillingham thing. I think this

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Speaker 1: is partially a game plan of roster construction thing. How

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Speaker 1: much of the Arizona State season, how much of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona State success should be something that we credit cam

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Speaker 1: Skataboo with versus how much of it do we credit

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Speaker 1: Kenny Dillingham with? Because and the reason I asked that

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Speaker 1: is this both things, I guess can be true at once. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, we have seen so many instances over the

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Speaker 1: course of college football history where a team has one

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Speaker 1: dynamic player and they were able to ride that dynamic

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Speaker 1: player to incredible heights. How much of this is Dillingham?

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Speaker 1: How much of this is Skataboo.

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Speaker 2: I give more to Dillingham because he the totality or

448
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Speaker 2: most of the totality, given how many guys they brought

449
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Speaker 2: in in the portal and bringing in camp Scataboo himself,

450
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Speaker 2: Sam Levitt himself, so he gets more credit because of

451
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Speaker 2: everybody on the field able to compete as or not everybody,

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Speaker 2: but most of the people on the field came to

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Speaker 2: play for Kenny Dillingham. In terms of their success against

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Speaker 2: Texas and in terms of the success they had this season, Look,

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Speaker 2: Jordan Tyson was an All Big twelve caliber receiver. Guys

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Speaker 2: on that defense made plays, especially upfront all season long.

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Speaker 2: They got better over the course of the season. They

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Speaker 2: despite the weird ending against BYU with people on the

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Speaker 2: field leaving the field back to the field with the

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Speaker 2: weird time and clock management issues in that game, throwing

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Speaker 2: the ball straight up and leaving seconds on the clock.

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Speaker 1: It's a great store. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I just I think it's much more than Camp Scataboo,

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Speaker 2: who just happens to be excellent.

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Speaker 1: Well listen, yeah, this is year two. Arizona State was

466
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Speaker 1: in a really bad situation. That program was in a

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Speaker 1: world of hurt. The fact that he was able to

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Speaker 1: reboot it as quickly even with Cam Scataboo, right, take

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Speaker 1: Cam Skataboo out of this thing, it was still a

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Speaker 1: good team. Now. He was their best offensive player far

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Speaker 1: and away. That helps. But the fact that Kenny Dillingham

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Speaker 1: was able to get this team to this point so

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Speaker 1: quickly in his tenure, I think I put a lot

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Speaker 1: more credit on Kenny Dillingham. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And they also set themselves up in this portal era. Like,

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Speaker 2: if you're an unhappy Big ten player, if you're an

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Speaker 2: unhappy Big twelve player elsewhere, if you're unhappy West Coast

478
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Speaker 2: player at Oregon, Washington, whatever, come to Tempe right Like

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Speaker 2: you see the portal successes of guys like Skataboo and

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Speaker 2: Sam Levitt, and you see that Kenny Dillingham can take

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Speaker 2: this team to unforeseen heights so quickly that if the

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Speaker 2: money is there behind the scenes, which it sounds like

483
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Speaker 2: it increasingly is and he got extend did his contract

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Speaker 2: that things are trending in a crazy positive direction.

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Speaker 1: My Ohio State question is simply as anybody beating Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: I can't see it in this moment.

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Speaker 2: Now, you never say never, given Ohio State's propensity this

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Speaker 2: season to coming up short in big games, sure or

489
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Speaker 2: nearly coming up short against Nebraska. If you are a

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Speaker 2: believer that all things Ohio State issue wise have been

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Speaker 2: solved since the Michigan loss, which there's a good amount

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Speaker 2: of evidence now that those issues have been solved against

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Speaker 2: Tennessee and Oregon heading into their game against Texas, especially

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Speaker 2: given Texas's struggles themselves in big games, I would take

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Speaker 2: Ohio State against the field and not really think that

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Speaker 2: much about it in this moment, mostly because the defense.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I know Jeremiah Smith rightfully gets a

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Speaker 2: ton of attention if you're bringing that defense and at

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Speaker 2: least a pretty good offense to the table, like like

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Speaker 2: forget looking like they did against either Tennessee or Oregon. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if they're scoring twenty seven points with this defense, who's

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Speaker 2: getting a twenty eight If you're.

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Speaker 1: Rooting against Ohio State, as I'm sure a number of

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Speaker 1: our listeners are, Yeah, what is the matchup that you want?

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Speaker 1: What is the matchup that you think presents the biggest

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Speaker 1: challenge for Ohio State? It could be Texas, it's the

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Speaker 1: it's the team that you feel like can get after

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Speaker 1: the quarterback the most often, because that's the only real

509
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Speaker 1: solution in this moment against a still beat up offensive line,

510
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Speaker 1: because if Will Howard has time, it's probably game over.

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Speaker 1: Do you like Colin Simmons?

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Speaker 2: Do you like Abdull Carter coming off of some kind

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Speaker 2: of mystery injury.

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Speaker 1: I don't think No. I don't think not Dame's built

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Speaker 1: to beat Ohio State. I don't know if I trust

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame's secondary, a younger secondary. Right they struggled against

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Speaker 1: SC Yeah, I mean that's that's a matchup that concerns

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Speaker 1: me if it ends up coming to fruition. And that's

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Speaker 1: not to say Notre Dame can't run its offense, can't

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Speaker 1: do what it's showed it can do now against Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Against Ohio State with Riley Leonard, I think there would

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Speaker 1: be some element of trying to grind the clock, playing pickleball,

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Speaker 1: trying to wear them down, trying to create plays. Again

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Speaker 1: with their defense, but the Georgia offense is a far

525
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Speaker 1: cry from the Ohio State offense. At this point, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if there's a great matchup. I'm inclined to

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Speaker 1: say Texas is still the best matchup if you're rooting

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Speaker 1: for an Ohio State loss, but even that I think

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Speaker 1: has taken on some water given what we saw against

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Speaker 1: Arizona State.

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Speaker 2: By the way, you asked me the question, yeah, and

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Speaker 2: my answer was the vague like, whoever's pass rush you

533
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Speaker 2: trust the most? Yeah, I think there's a decent chance.

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Speaker 2: They just beat the team who had the best chance

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Speaker 2: to beat them. Well, that was down thirty four to nothing.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you about Oregon then, Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about Oregon please. We had a question before this

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Speaker 1: game about whether or not we trusted Ryan Day or

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Speaker 1: Dan Lanning more, and honestly, I don't even remember what

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Speaker 1: her answer was, but there was some conjecture about big

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Speaker 1: games being at Ryan Day's head. Where are we at

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Speaker 1: with Dan Lanning as a big game coach because young

543
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Speaker 1: dude obviously able to amass talent in Eugene. YEP, nobody's

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Speaker 1: calling for Dan Lanning to be ousted or anything. Create

545
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Speaker 1: like I'm not saying that I love Dan Lanning. I

546
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Speaker 1: think he's a great coach.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are anonymous people on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: If that's it, they don't count. Now I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: about that. But where are we at with Dan Lanning

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Speaker 1: in his maturation process as a big game coach.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a great moment for Oregon against Ohio State.

552
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Speaker 2: He didn't lose to a team twice this year, beat

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Speaker 2: the team that beat him in the playoff. So it

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Speaker 2: feels like a significant step forward. If the first year

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Speaker 2: at a new conference Oregon, especially if you told me

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Speaker 2: before the season they're gonna beat Ohio State, in Michigan,

557
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Speaker 2: Penn State this year, you would take that, Yeah, they're

558
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Speaker 2: gonna win the Big Ten and beat those three teams

559
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Speaker 2: on their way there. You're like, that's definitely a step forward.

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Speaker 2: Given the actual nature of how they lost to Ohio

561
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Speaker 2: State in the Rose Bowl, yes, it's okay to say, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: they need to figure out this rematch thing, because they

563
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Speaker 2: lost in a rematch last year in the biggest game

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Speaker 2: of the season in the Pac twelve Championship game against Washington,

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Speaker 2: and they lost in a rematch in the postseason this year,

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Speaker 2: so that's on a head coach, that's on game planning,

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Speaker 2: that's on preparedness. But I don't know how you look

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Speaker 2: at the Oregon program with what they're doing building up

569
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Speaker 2: the talent and then the roster and everything buzzing through

570
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Speaker 2: the season thirteen and zero with a couple close calls early,

571
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Speaker 2: a close call against Wisconsin obviously a close call, and

572
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Speaker 2: a win against Ohio State, and come away thinking they're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the trajectory is absolutely, like emphatically positive for Orgon in

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Speaker 2: this moment.

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Speaker 1: So I think the main reason I asked that question

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Speaker 1: is because I've seen some of the chatter out there,

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Speaker 1: people kind of doubting where this guy is at or

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Speaker 1: if he's if he's good enough coach toime a big one.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's fine to ask. I understand why

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Speaker 1: you would ask if they just got destroyed by Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Bear in mind we're going into year three. Bear in

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Speaker 1: mind he's done a really good job overhauling that roster,

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Speaker 1: bringing Oregon to the point now where they were number

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Speaker 1: one in the country for a good chunk of the season. Right,

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Speaker 1: But how many in and of itself is a pretty

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Speaker 1: big step forward. How many head coaches left in this

587
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Speaker 1: college football playoff have won a national champion. Yeah, exactly?

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Speaker 2: Is it zero? Yeah, it's zero. It's very hard to do.

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban's not in the sport. Jim Harbaugh's not in

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Speaker 2: the sport. Mac Brown's not in the sport. At oors

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Speaker 2: Ron's not in the sport. Because yes, we have to

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Speaker 2: hold ed ors Ron in esteem, because that twenty nineteen

593
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Speaker 2: LSU team was just an all time great. Yeah, so yes,

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Speaker 2: you can go down the list. Dan Lanning happens to

595
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Speaker 2: be louder, happens to be more of a showman, happens

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Speaker 2: to attract more attention than a lot of these guys.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're an Oregon fan, you're absolutely thrilled

599
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Speaker 2: with where the program is, even in the shadow of

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Speaker 2: I agree with that that kind of performance.

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Speaker 1: My big question on the Penn State side, honestly, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of excitement on the Penn State side

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Speaker 1: of this making it to a national semifinal. I totally

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Speaker 1: get it. I'm right there with you. Yeah. My question

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Speaker 1: is whether Penn State is getting better offensively or if

606
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Speaker 1: their last two opponents were just weaker and made them

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Speaker 1: look better than they are now, I say that they

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Speaker 1: also look pretty good against your Orgon Ducks. They did.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that doesn't mean as much now given what we

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Speaker 1: saw Ohio State due to Oregon. I still tend to

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Speaker 1: value that pretty fondly in the development mind.

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Speaker 2: The Orgon Devents held the Ohio State offen to only

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Speaker 2: seven points in the zecond half, So that is okay, now,

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Speaker 2: You're right continue.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just curious outside in Penn State. Is Penn

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Speaker 1: State improving the way I think they are improved. I

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Speaker 1: do think they are getting better. If nothing more, k

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Speaker 1: Tron Allen is getting better. He has had an incredible

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Speaker 1: resurgence these last three games. The way that they are

620
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Speaker 1: able to dictate the pace of play on the ground

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Speaker 1: I think has been instrumental in getting them to the

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Speaker 1: semi final. It would have been the case whether it

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Speaker 1: was against Boise and SMU or against anybody else in

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Speaker 1: this tournament. But that's the side of their game that

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Speaker 1: has not been as reliable the way it has been

626
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Speaker 1: the last three and so from my standpoint, I think

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Speaker 1: there are elements of the offense that are getting better.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's entirely because of opponent. Opponent might help,

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Speaker 1: but certainly their offense seeming to find more of a rhythm.

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Speaker 1: That's I don't think that's the kind of thing you

631
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Speaker 1: can fake just based on the opponent.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you and I both know you, especially James

633
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Speaker 2: Franklin has been there since what twenty fifteen, fourteen somewhere

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Speaker 2: in there. No, he is exclusively judged by what his

635
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Speaker 2: team does in their biggest games, rightfully so, because he's

636
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Speaker 2: been there so long. Especially Ohio State, Michigan schools like

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Speaker 2: that in terms of winning and in terms of how

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Speaker 2: they look in those wins or how they look in

639
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Speaker 2: those games period. They lose a Big Ten championship to

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Speaker 2: Oregon with the offense looking good. They lose to Ohio State,

641
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Speaker 2: scoring zero offensive touchdowns this season, and they've really struggl

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Speaker 2: against Ohio State. Penn State has a very good offense

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Speaker 2: this year. I think there's something like ninth or so

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Speaker 2: in points per drive something like that. You ask any

645
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Speaker 2: Penn State fan, you say, is the offense fixed? Now

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Speaker 2: that they've done this against SMU and Boise And I

647
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Speaker 2: am of the mind and you can speak to this

648
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Speaker 2: more than I can of them. I were like, it's cool,

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Speaker 2: it's nice. Doesn't matter. It doesn't It doesn't cinch anything.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't prove anything that this offense could move the

651
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: ball in frigid conditions against SMU kind of and obviously

652
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: was able to smash Bois.

653
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: On the ground.

654
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: It's nice, it's cool. It doesn't make you any more.

655
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: It shouldn't make you any more confident until you see

656
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: it against and I would include Notre Dame in this

657
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: grouping Notre Dame, Texas, Ohio State, whoever on this kind

658
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: of stage.

659
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: I think. I think this game we're going to see

660
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: against Notre Dame is going to be a lot like

661
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: the one we just saw with Notre Dame in Georgia.

662
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a lot like the

663
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: one we saw with Penn State Ohio State earlier in

664
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: the year. I think we're headed towards another rock fight.

665
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: I have not done the deep dive yet. Obviously, I've

666
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: watched these two teams closer than any of the other

667
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty two in college football, So gut

668
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: instinct is to say this is going to be another

669
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: rock fight of sorts. But I want to take some

670
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: time to go back and you watch these games and

671
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: see how I feel about them on the other side

672
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: of it. But I tend to think there are elements

673
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: of this Penn State offense that are getting better and

674
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: they're doing so they're peaking at just the right time

675
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: now as they get a little bit deeper into this tournament.

676
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: You're right, though it doesn't cinch anything to do it

677
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: against Boise State and SMU, or even to do it

678
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: in a losing effort against Oregon, that only counts for

679
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: so much. Now you got to do it in the

680
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: Capitol One Orange Bowl against Notre Dame, WHI should be

681
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: a good test for the offense, right, That's going to

682
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: be their best test since probably that Ohio State game

683
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: earlier in the year.

684
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: By the way, I asked you earlier, like, did anything

685
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: shock you in the Notre Dame result against Georgia just

686
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: as I'm thinking about Notre Dame Penn State. I was

687
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: shocked that, given how Notre Dame was playing that game,

688
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: that something didn't open up for them to try that shot.

689
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: I think Ryley Leonard did throw the ball downfield big

690
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: once and then once there no I was expecting some

691
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: kind of play call that they set up, that it

692
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: was Jendarium Price on a wheel route. You know that,

693
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: I was like, oh that one for fifty.

694
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: Three for Jeremiah Love. You know, they didn't, but he

695
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: didn't really do a whole lot to try and get

696
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: him when he was in the game right in space,

697
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: maybe so a little bit in the second half before

698
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: he went out like it. It just was they didn't

699
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: even really try for the breaking plays.

700
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: That was the surprise to me that they weren't able

701
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: to set something up, lulling Georgia to sleep with shorter

702
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: stuff and the run game. And I'm curious because I

703
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: think they're gonna need that against Penn State. And it

704
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: might still be a rock fight, it might absolutely be

705
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: low scoring. And I guess technically you could say they

706
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: got that play via kick return. Yes, that they were

707
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: gonna they were gonna need some sort of explosive moments,

708
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: and ty, don't we all need explosive moments in our

709
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: liar you're here. They needed that moment, and I think

710
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: they're going to need two or three of them against

711
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: Penn State.

712
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: My question about Boise State is whether or not Boise

713
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: State's a fraud. No is boise a fraud? To you?

714
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: Based on Okay, that game on New Year's Eve, No,

715
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Now.

716
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: The way this tournament was seated positions Boise State in

717
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: a light where like, I guess can broach that conversation,

718
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: they're not like they took Oregon to the final whistle

719
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: on the road. They won the rest of their games

720
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 2: and it wasn't Boise's idea to be seated where they were.

721
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: They again, second half was a three point game. They

722
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: got their especially offensive line under control after a shaky

723
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: start against Penn State. Everybody knew what Boise's plan was

724
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: going to be in this game. Feed Ashton genty until

725
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: Penn State can prove they can stop them. They stopped them.

726
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't know.

727
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: I think it's a crazy successful season for Boise State

728
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 2: and we shouldn't judge them against what they were able

729
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: to do or not do against Penn State. So no,

730
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: not a fraud. Danielson's first season as a head.

731
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: Coach, first full season, yeah.

732
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: First full season was interim, made full time immediately took

733
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: them to the playoff with a buye.

734
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm glad boys used in this tournament. Same I am.

735
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm glad boys to us in this tournament. I think

736
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: to your point from earlier, they were in this game

737
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: for the most part until later on. Penn State was

738
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: eventually able to pull away, but Maddox Madson ecquitted himself

739
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: pretty well. It wasn't so much on Maddox Madson, even

740
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: though he had a couple interceptions. This was Penn State

741
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: having more athletes out wide to guard against any of

742
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: the targets running downfield for Boise. They just weren't able

743
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: to get separation. Maddox Madson had guys breathing down his

744
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: neck the entire game. He had to make some throws,

745
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: He had to try and force some throws. They really

746
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: had no choice. I don't put so much of this

747
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: on him. I just think they were overmatched in this game.

748
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: They've got a ways to go if they want to

749
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: go a little bit farther in this tournament moving forward,

750
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: for sure, that's a separate conversation altogether. But you know,

751
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: the fact they were able to get Ashton gent and

752
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: keep him on campus for his final season important, right,

753
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: Important says something about the health of the program. The

754
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: fact that it felt like they were right there, neck

755
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: and neck with your Oregon Ducks for a good chunk

756
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: of the way most of the way back playing that game. Yeah,

757
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, this is a team that I think,

758
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the season, had its moments, had

759
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: some up and downs, but acquitted itself pretty well, even

760
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: defeat here, even in defeat in the Fiesta Bowl after

761
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: the bye.

762
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I think of all of the underdogs in

763
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: this tournament, this quote unquote tournament, Boise State might have

764
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 2: quitted itself the best of all of them. They scored

765
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: multiple touchdowns as a heavy underdog, and they were in

766
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: a game in the second half. Was Oregon Nope?

767
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: No, I mean, for me, it's still Arizona State. There's

768
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: probably a conversation about Clemson as well, but plase Arizona

769
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: State is fine. Boise deserves to be part of that

770
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: conversation because I.

771
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: Always quitted itself more than Indiana did, more than Oregon did,

772
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: more than SMU did.

773
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: Yep, So no, Boise absolutely belonged. That brings us then

774
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: to the national semifinals. We've got two of them there

775
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: next Thursday and Friday. The Orange Bowl is Penn State

776
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: against Notre Dame. As I said earlier, Notre Dame favor

777
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: by a point and a half. The Cotton Bowl is

778
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: on Friday night. Ohio State favored by six over Texas.

779
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: It's a five verses an eight to six versus A seven.

780
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: Dan As you look at these matchups mindful of the

781
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: fact that we're not doing the full preview right now,

782
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: what are the biggest questions for you?

783
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: Got instinct in both of those matchups. I mean, it's

784
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: the Texas offense creatively moving the ball, adjusting to what

785
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: Ohio State is doing successfully. On defense, it's Quinn yours

786
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: off platform. I think it's the entirety of this game. Obviously,

787
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 2: we saw the running game disappear against Arizon State because

788
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: Devils did a really good job shutting that down. So

789
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: it's Texas diagnosing a game plan to go against his

790
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: Ohio State defense, and then what are their third and

791
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: fourth pitches looking like against the Ohio State defense? That

792
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: to me is everything. And then in Penn State Notre Dame.

793
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: I think it's honestly, it's the easiest possible answer. But

794
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: it's like I don't know whichever quarterback is better. No,

795
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: like Drew Aller was very good against Boise State, but

796
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 2: you can't say or I guess which passing game is better,

797
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: because it's not only on Drew Aller who has been

798
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 2: who's come under pressure a little bit for the offensive

799
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: line in front of him and has said to deal

800
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: with drops, dealt with it against Boise State. Is dealt

801
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: with it, you know, dealt with a couple key ones

802
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: against Oregon And I mean that to me feels like

803
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: a race to twenty one or something.

804
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Notre Dame is very content to play

805
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: rock fights, of course. I think they're built to play

806
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: in matchups like that. I think that's part of why

807
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: you also are right to assume that the matchup against

808
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: Ohio State might be the worst case scenario for Notre

809
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: Dame if they want to win this thing for a

810
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: multitude of reasons. I guess you could say that about

811
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: the other two teams in this tournament. Outside of Ohio State.

812
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: Both Texas and Penn State would have similar issues with

813
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: the buck guys. My biggest question in the Penn State

814
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: Notre Dame game is can Notre Dame again do the

815
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard thing? Can they get away with that against

816
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: Penn State? They were able to make it work against Georgia.

817
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: I think proof of concept wise, if you can do

818
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: it against Georgia, you should be able to do it

819
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: against Penn State. You might be able to do it

820
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: against almost anybody. I don't know, as you get deeper

821
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: into this thing, if you end up playing Ohio State,

822
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: if you can get enough production out of that. But

823
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: I think in this matchup against Penn State, if they're

824
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: able to put Riley Leonard on the move, if they

825
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: are able to get too healthy running backs, if Jeremiah

826
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: Love isn't too banged up with his knee injury, I'm

827
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 1: real curious to see how they used the ground game

828
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 1: against Penn State because this is another really really tough

829
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: defense against the run, and they will know what to do.

830
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: They've been pretty good against that all season. Now Oregon,

831
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: Oregon was able to run on Penn State. We saw

832
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: that in the Big Ten title game, and I'd be

833
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: curious to see if there's anything that Notre Dame borrows

834
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: schematically from what Oregon did to try and get one

835
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: over on the Ninny Lions. But I think that just

836
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: from a chess match standpoint, is the most fascinating of

837
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: these two matchups. Certainly Texas versus Ohio State, I think

838
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: is intriguing on a whole other level just from a

839
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: talent standpoint, Penn State, Ohio State or Penn State Notre

840
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: Dame excuse me, is going to stylistically be a chess

841
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: match that will be interesting to watch from the skycast

842
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: behind the action. Yep, Texas Ohio State is at least

843
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: on the surface going to be top billing, top billing

844
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: because of the talent on both sides of the football,

845
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: top billing, just because of what we saw from Ohio

846
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: State the last two rounds of this thing, first against Tennessee,

847
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: most recently now against Oregon. Biggest question is Texas and

848
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: its vaunted defense have an answer for what Ohio State's

849
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: done now these last two weeks. Signs would point to know, right,

850
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: especially given the fact that they gave up what thirty

851
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: one to Arizona State and they almost gave that Peach

852
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: Bowl away on New Year's Day. Yeah, but this is

853
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: still a defense that we have come to trust and

854
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: a coordinator in Pete Wakowski who've come to trust. So

855
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: can they dial something up? Can they find it within

856
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: themselves to find that next gear going into this Ohio

857
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: State matchup? I think is the big question. If they can't,

858
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: we already know what's going to happen. If they can't,

859
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: then if we see the same version of Ohio State

860
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: that we saw in the last two games. It's going

861
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: to be the Buckeyes against either Penn State or Notre

862
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: Dame for the title. A lot of big Pac twelve energy.

863
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 2: By the way, in the Ohio State Texas game, how

864
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: many times did Chip Kelly in Oregon just completely slap

865
00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: around Sark and wash it?

866
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeahscinating.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of connective tissue in both of these obviously,

868
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Speaker 2: and I think the most important one, as we can

869
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 2: all agree, Ty Hildebrank growing up a Notre Dame fan

870
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 2: as a Penn State alumnus, Quinn Jersey.

871
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: I gotta get my laar Quinn Jersey.

872
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: You feel more emotionally attached in this moment to Notre Dame,

873
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: even though you are.

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00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: A big Penn State fan. I've been People have been

875
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: slinging arrows at me man in the YouTube comments because

876
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: of this. They've been slinging arrows at you since two

877
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight. I've been taking arrows about this for

878
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: a long time now. Yeah. Raised a Notre Dame fan

879
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: Penn State alum. I am torn on a couple different levels.

880
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: I think from a pure fan standpoint, just from a

881
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: rooting interest I have to root for my childhood favorite team,

882
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: the one you don't have to do anything. I don't

883
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: have to do anything. You're in charge of yourself. This

884
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: is your agency. This is how I feel, Dan. I know,

885
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: I think I have to pull a little bit more

886
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: for Notre Dame, but it is a little bit like

887
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: trying to pick your favorite sibling, like a parent trying

888
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: to pick your favorite child like I like both these teams,

889
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: and my love for Penn State has grown throughout the years. Obviously,

890
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: given the fact that I have a diploma hanging on

891
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: my wall upstairs. You do have a favorite dog, though,

892
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: right the older bitch. The older bitch is the OCHI

893
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: But to say one is the favorite at this point.

894
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just kidding a little bit harder, Okay, No,

895
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: this is yeah. I got to think that given how

896
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: I've seen you react to major Notre Dame losses and

897
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: major Penn State losses, I think it has gutted you

898
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 2: more to see Notre Dame lose those games.

899
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: It's generally it has definitely gutted me more. And the

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00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: other thing that I should add for people who have

901
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: listened to this show forever, yeah and often ask us

902
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: how did this all start? This all started when you

903
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: went to a Penn State Notre Dame game in State

904
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: College and made a video and I saw it since

905
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: first start. Yeah, I was there. I saw the video

906
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: at the time. We were both doing work for SI

907
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: dot com, and I sent you an email complimenting the video.

908
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: It was fun. I liked the video. That was what

909
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: set us on this course now all these years later.

910
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: So it's not just significant for me, it's significant for

911
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: us for the show. It's soliverble lore, soliverrable canon it is.

912
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: I can't believe that this has happened. When these brackets

913
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: came out, this was I think the most popular semifinal

914
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: matchup among the people that were picking these games. Either

915
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: Oregon or Ohio State was making it out of that

916
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: one bracket. But everything else seems like, just from the

917
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: standpoint of popular opinion, we kind of got what we

918
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: expected here, and so the fact that we've got Penn

919
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: State against Notre Dame to me is pretty cool.

920
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: By the way, here's here's my final sidebar. Penn State

921
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 2: and Notre Dame should be rivals. Neither of these teams

922
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: have legit regional rivals that feel as if they are

923
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: their biggest rival Like you can say, like Notre Dame

924
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: Michigan or name's never going to be as important to

925
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: Michigan as Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Penn State, Maryland. No,

926
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Speaker 2: of course not. These two teams, Like you want to

927
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: set them up with each other. You want to like

928
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: take them to a cafe and be like, you're into

929
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: funk base. You're into funk base. You guys should get

930
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: together and start a funk band. We got to get

931
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 2: this rivalry going somehow, someway, it just makes too much sense,

932
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: regardless of your affiliations. Yeah, these should be This should

933
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: be a major deal game, major deal rivalry every season.

934
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe this will set them down that path.

935
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: I hope. So I can tell you, as a former

936
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: Penn State student, the attempt at force feeding a Michigan

937
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: State rivalry to us never quite thing. Never quite again.

938
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: I've joked about this for an eternity now. The biggest

939
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: rivalry stems from a blood drive, not from the football game.

940
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michigan State want to smash Michigan. I'm all for

941
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: it more than any other game. Right, it has to be, yes,

942
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: I would think, So, I don't know anyway. So I hope,

943
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 2: I hope some you know, I hope there's something here.

944
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: But whatever, this should be really fun. We'll figure out

945
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: what we're going to do. In terms of travel plans.

946
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 2: Nothing's finalized. Whether we're going to Miami, whether' gonna go

947
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: to Atlanta, whether we're gonna do both, whether we're gonna

948
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: do neither. We gotta figure it out.

949
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: We got to we gotta figure out. Yeah, we gotta

950
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: figure it out. So again, your final score here, twenty

951
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: three to ten. Notre Dame the seventh seed, knocks off Georgia,

952
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: the number two seed. It's going to be Notre Dame

953
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: one and a half point favorite over Penn State and

954
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: the Orange Bowl. Next Thursday, it's going to be Ohio

955
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: State the eight seed, a six point favorite over Texas

956
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: the five seed. On Friday night in the Cotton Bowl.

957
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: The national championship then is going to be played. I

958
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: guess about a week and a half later, January the twentieth.

959
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: It's a Monday night as per usual in Atlanta. Yes, sir,

960
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. We appreciate everybody's support over these

961
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: last two days, for those who have been watching us

962
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Speaker 1: live this concludes our fourth stream in twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: That's been a personal record for us. Thank you to

964
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Speaker 1: everybody who helped support what we do. We're really excited

965
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Speaker 1: about it. The numbers have been so good, and it's

966
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Speaker 1: just been fun to watch these games. We've had a

967
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: lot of fun talking them through. Maybe not on the

968
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Speaker 1: organ side, I apologize, but it's okay. It's at least

969
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: meaningful college football later into the year than we're usual,

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Speaker 1: than we're used to, and I think we're grateful to

971
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Speaker 1: that to some extent. So definitely, thank you everybody for

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Speaker 1: any of our content. As Dan said, we still have

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Speaker 1: a long way to go here. There are two really

984
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: big games in the next round. There's obviously the biggest

985
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: of them all coming up in a few weeks. We're

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Speaker 1: going to do our best to make sure that you're

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Speaker 1: right on the bleeding edge for that guy over there,

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubenstein for myself, Ty Hildebrandt, thanks again for downloading,

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Speaker 1: we're listening, for supporting, for hanging with us here through

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Speaker 1: another round of the college football playoff. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: y'all soon. Stay saw peace,