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Speaker 2: A lot of news pertaining to one subject in particular,

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Speaker 2: and that is the looming ban of TikTok in the

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Speaker 2: United States. It's of course supposed to go into effect

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Speaker 2: on January nineteenth if they don't divest their US operations.

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Speaker 2: This is actually happening because a bipartisan legislation that passed

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Speaker 2: through both chambers of Congress and was signed into law

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Speaker 2: by President Biden last year. But of course a new

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Speaker 2: president is coming in and we learned yesterday that the

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Speaker 2: CEO of TikTok, Show Chew, met with Donald Trump, the

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Speaker 2: President elect, at mar A Lago. This is after TikTok

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Speaker 2: asked the Supreme Court to intervene to stop the ban

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Speaker 2: at least for now, and after we heard Trump earlier

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Speaker 2: in the day in a news conference at mar A

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Speaker 2: Lago talking about his feelings about the platform.

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Speaker 3: We'll take a look at TikTok. You know, I have

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Speaker 3: a warm spot in my heartfit TikTok because I won

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Speaker 3: youth by thirty four points. And there are those that

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Speaker 3: say that TikTok has something to do with a TikTok

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Speaker 3: had an impact, and so we'll take you to look

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Speaker 3: at it now.

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Speaker 2: Emerson College is out with some new polling around TikTok

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Speaker 2: and that maybe does support the idea of youth wanting

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Speaker 2: it to stick. Around half of voters under thirty, according

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Speaker 2: to Emerson's data, oppose this ban. So joining me now

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Speaker 2: for more is Spencer Kimball. He is the director of

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Speaker 2: the Emerson College Polling Center. Thanks for being here on

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Speaker 2: Balance of Power, Spencer, I would imagine that there is

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Speaker 2: a pretty large student population at Emerson that is on TikTok.

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Speaker 4: So what do we need to.

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Speaker 2: Know about that the correlation between support of this looming

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Speaker 5: Here, and I think, Kaylee, that's the most important is

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Speaker 5: that there is a generational divide that we're seeing on

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Speaker 5: they're not in our survey, those under eighteen are also

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Speaker 5: using TikTok, and they would prefer to keep it. What

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Speaker 5: we also find is that the minority population, particularly black

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Speaker 5: voters two to one, want to keep TikTok about fifty

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Speaker 5: in the dynamics in play here on this issue.

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Speaker 2: Well, and this isn't the only issue centered around kind

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Speaker 2: these kind of distinctions, not just in terms of age,

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Speaker 2: but also the other demographics you were pointing to, like minorities.

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Speaker 2: You find kind of similar patterns when it comes to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly in this survey, as we were looking at

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Speaker 5: the data, I was thinking of my students and I'm like, wow,

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Speaker 5: the student population here, it's a lot different than the

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Speaker 5: and then us in our sixties and seventies. We really

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Speaker 5: have different attitudes about cryptocurrency. We have different attitudes about TikTok.

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Speaker 5: So these eighteen to twenty nine year olds, they're finding

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Speaker 5: But up to those forty nine year olds, they're still

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Speaker 5: So what you're seeing is that swing of the vote.

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Speaker 5: And we saw that play out in the election as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we certainly did, and not just the presidential one,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the voters are leaning on the side that the

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Speaker 2: Well, as we consider political ideology here and the president

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Speaker 2: outgoing Joe Biden there's just what thirty four days left

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Speaker 2: of Biden's presidency. Here, he's trying very hard to shape

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Speaker 2: his legacy in part on the economy, but everything else

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Speaker 5: They're kind of at the lowest point and they're feeling

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Speaker 5: for Joe Biden. And our polling over the last four years,

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Speaker 5: right now kind of of a down note. On top

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Speaker 5: they're going to be upset with TikTok because he's kind

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Speaker 5: with these younger voters who don't think you know, who

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Speaker 5: want to keep TikTok and might blame the president if

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Speaker 2: Is part of the reason Spencer, before we let you go,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the pardon was not popular either. Fifty two percent

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Speaker 2: He certainly is all right. Spencer Kimball of Emerson College

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Speaker 2: bringing us the new data from Emerson's Polling Center, where

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Speaker 2: he is the director. Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 4: And I want to go now live too. Capital Hill.

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Speaker 2: We're joining us from her office is Republican Congressman Nicole

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Speaker 2: Mallia Takis of New York thanks for your patients. Congressman,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to Bloomberg TV and Radio. If we could

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Speaker 2: just begin with this continuing resolution that we haven't got

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Speaker 2: eyes on it yet. Should the seventy two hour rule

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Speaker 4: Would you be supportive of that?

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Speaker 7: I mean, it depends how much time is going to

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Speaker 7: a lot of members that, rightfully, so including myself, would

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Speaker 7: actually like to have the time to read the text.

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Speaker 7: Right this is you know, we said we were done

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Speaker 7: need to respond to our constituents. We do need to

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Speaker 7: We can't do that if we're voting on legislation without

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Speaker 7: It has not been a member driven process. It's been

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Speaker 7: on by searching Twitter. That's the bottom line. We are

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Speaker 7: the lawmakers. We all have aspirations here of what we'd

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Speaker 7: I think it's frustrating to a lot of members that

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Speaker 7: in the majority and we should be talking among ourselves

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Speaker 2: And you will be in the majority still in the

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Speaker 2: next Congress when the next deadline looms March fourteenth. We

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Speaker 7: But I think next year, hopefully we'll be in a

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Speaker 7: much better situation given that we will have a Republican trifecta.

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Speaker 7: And I also think that with President Trump at the helm,

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Speaker 7: with his leadership, that he will play a huge role

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Speaker 7: in keeping us united and keeping us focused on the agenda,

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Speaker 7: which is obviously starts with securing our border, the energy policies,

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Speaker 7: as what is to me, as a Ways and Means

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Speaker 7: millions of jobs, lifted American wages, brought unemployment employment down

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Speaker 7: minimum facts, and so all that's at stake next year,

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Speaker 7: and so we have to focus and prioritize these things

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Speaker 2: And your Chairman on the Ways and Means Committee, Jason Smith,

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Speaker 2: want to get tax reform pack passed. It should be

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Speaker 2: included in one big reconciliation package with the border and

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Speaker 7: I agree with the Chairman that we need to prioritize

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Speaker 7: I just laid out, if these provisions expire, some have

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Speaker 2: We of course are wrapping up the one hundred and

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Speaker 2: What exactly this might be mean for this general shift

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Speaker 2: What does this say that Connolly triumphed over AOC.

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Speaker 8: be a long way one hundred nineteenth, given how tight

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Speaker 8: it is. And you know, just one member who feels

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Speaker 8: put out on the Republican side, who feels frustrated for

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Speaker 8: any reason to stand up and say they are going

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Speaker 8: to step away in this way from committees. That's one thing.

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Speaker 8: But imagine if they say they aren't going to vote

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Speaker 8: with the Republicans. What does that mean for Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 8: It means for everything from funding the government to immigration

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Speaker 8: to crypto. I mean, the list just goes on and on.

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Speaker 8: He has to deal with Democrats and there's nothing that's

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Speaker 8: going to frustrate Republicans more than that. And so this

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Speaker 8: is the space that Mike Johnson finds himself in. I mean,

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Speaker 8: he is just walking a tightrope. And you know when

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Speaker 8: I heard this, I said, Wow, if she can do this,

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Speaker 8: and we haven't even got into the one hundred and nineteen,

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Speaker 8: imagine what's in store for us just in a few

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Speaker 8: weeks from now when they take government.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we all have so much to look forward to

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Speaker 2: in the early days, including, of course, what we understand

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Speaker 2: will be pretty quick quick action that they're at least

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Speaker 2: going to try to take on reconciliation. John We know

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Speaker 2: that the Senate incoming majority leader John Thune is advocating

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Speaker 2: for two budget reconciliation package is the first one dealing

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Speaker 2: with border and energy, then dealing.

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Speaker 4: With a tax package later on.

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Speaker 2: Members of the House, including Nicole Maley Takis, who I

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Speaker 2: just talked to, is on the Ways and Means Committee

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Speaker 2: would rather see it all done at once.

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Speaker 4: Where do you come down on this?

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Speaker 2: If they have success in getting one package through, does

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Speaker 2: that make it that much harder to get the second

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Speaker 2: one through or pave an easier path?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: So my only experience with this comes in two thousand

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Speaker 10: and five after President Bush's reelection, and even he said

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Speaker 10: that he probably should have done immigration before social Security.

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Speaker 10: You want to do the easier thing first, is when

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Speaker 10: you have the most political capital, as we have the

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Speaker 10: most people who want to see those first hundred days

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Speaker 10: be a success.

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Speaker 9: So I thought that was a fascinating interview.

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Speaker 10: I thought it was really really interesting to kind of

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Speaker 10: hear what the internal machinations are within the conference. I

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Speaker 10: would expect they might want to do taxes first, but yeah,

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Speaker 10: it remains to be seen.

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Speaker 6: It.

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Speaker 9: It will be a very interesting time.

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Speaker 10: And again informed by what I saw after President Bush's reelection,

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Speaker 10: I know that they need to be very careful and

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Speaker 10: deliberate in what they do first, because it's not going

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Speaker 10: to be easier.

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Speaker 9: It's not going to get any easier after those first

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Speaker 9: hundred days.

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Speaker 2: Well sure, and when we consider some of the thorny

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Speaker 2: issues like the salt cap Genie, which you know very

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Speaker 2: well being a New York resident, I would imagine that

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Speaker 2: that's going to be tricky because there are a lot

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Speaker 2: of Republican members who have expressed the fact that they

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Speaker 2: will not be interested in voting for a tax package

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Speaker 2: that doesn't materially lift that cap or do away with

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Speaker 2: it all together.

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Speaker 8: God bless him, Kaylee. That's what I say. You know,

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Speaker 8: it has been an issue that is just you know,

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Speaker 8: frustrated so many of us here in New York and

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Speaker 8: elsewhere and this East coast. But you know that said,

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Speaker 8: I think that the president incoming president is going to

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Speaker 8: be frustrated unless in that first hundred days Congress moves

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Speaker 8: with the speed in which he has been trying to

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Speaker 8: move in this transition. I mean, he has talked, you know,

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Speaker 8: down to the minute almost what he plans to do

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Speaker 8: day one. And you know, now we know or we

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Speaker 8: think that if they do get a cr that's March fourteenth.

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Speaker 8: That is a huge, huge challenge for the president in

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Speaker 8: that first hundred days, because you're going to have a

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Speaker 8: government funding fight on last year's funding. You're gonna have immigration,

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Speaker 8: You're gonna have taxes, You're gonna have crypto. I mean,

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Speaker 8: the list just goes on and on, and all of

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Speaker 8: these you mentioned, you know, this issue that so many

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Speaker 8: of us care about here and soul. All of these

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Speaker 8: issues with such a narrow margin in the House make

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Speaker 8: it very easy for one or two members to make

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Speaker 8: Johnson and Trump's life difficult. So I think it makes

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Speaker 8: the most sense to get a win. I agree completely.

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Speaker 8: It makes most sense to got a win where you

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Speaker 8: can get it. And since there is a lot of

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Speaker 8: energy now behind immigration, that looks like a good place

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Speaker 8: to start. That said, historically immigration reform has been a bear,

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Speaker 8: so I can't believe I'm saying optimistically that they should

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Speaker 8: try to move fast on that. I don't know if

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Speaker 8: historically it's going to be able to be realized.

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Speaker 2: Well, Genie, you're always good at keeping the historical perspective,

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Speaker 2: including what you've been reminding us throughout the questions we

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Speaker 2: have around the confirmation of Trump's nominees that historically, if

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Speaker 2: they get through the hearing, almost always they end up

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Speaker 2: getting confirmed by the Senate. But John, as we see

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Speaker 2: some of the more controversial nominees on the Hill this week,

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Speaker 2: including HHS Designate Secretary Designate RFK Junior, what is your

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Speaker 2: degree of confidence that he Pete, Hegseth and Tulci Gabbard,

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Speaker 2: the three we've really been watching, are all going to

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Speaker 2: make it through.

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Speaker 10: As we said here now, I think all three are

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Speaker 10: likely to be confirmed. I do think that their hearings

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Speaker 10: will be important. I think that Democrats will have will

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Speaker 10: be exercising their advice and consent responsibilities under the Constitution.

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Speaker 10: But as of right now, despite some pretty tough press

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Speaker 10: on all three of them, they still have the votes.

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Speaker 10: As we said here now, at least there's not four

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Speaker 10: Republicans who have indicated that they're going to vote no.

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Speaker 10: So while I do think it will be a there's

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Speaker 10: still a long way to go and it will be

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Speaker 10: an arduous process from here to there.

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Speaker 9: I expect all three to ultimately be confirmed.

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Speaker 2: And Genie, just quickly, we have a minute left here,

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Speaker 2: But could any of these three not only get confirmed

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Speaker 2: at all, but do so with Democratic votes getting them

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Speaker 2: over the finish line.

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Speaker 8: We may see a few because of course Tulsi Gabbard

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Speaker 8: RFK Junior were formerly Democrats and they do, particularly Tulsei Gabbert,

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Speaker 8: have relationships with members of the Senate. That said, I

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Speaker 8: think it's going to depend an awful lot on what

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Speaker 8: happens with these FBI checks. And then, of course, as

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Speaker 8: John mentioned, the hearings, they're going to be fascinating. With RK,

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Speaker 8: We're going to get some of the really, really difficult questions.

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Speaker 8: We're also going to get questions about bears in Central Park,

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Speaker 8: questions about worms on the brain. I mean, the list

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Speaker 8: just goes on and on, So it's going to be

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Speaker 8: nothing else.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, just like Balance of Power is Chenie Schanzano and

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Speaker 2: John Seaton here on Bloomberg TV and Radio. Thank you

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Speaker 2: As we discuss what President Trump was saying yesterday in

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Speaker 2: mar A Lago. Yes, in part his remarks did pertain

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Speaker 2: to the conflict in Ukraine, but he touched a lot

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Speaker 2: of other different subjects as well, including having to mount

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Speaker 2: a defense for his Health and Human Services Secretary nominee

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior, who, of course is making the rounds in

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Speaker 2: the Senate this week trying to plead his own case

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Speaker 2: to senators. But Donald Trump was making the case for

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Speaker 2: him as well. When I asked a question by a

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Speaker 2: journalist about RFK yesterday, this was his response.

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Speaker 11: I think he's going to be much less radical than

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Speaker 11: you would think. I think he's got a very open mind,

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Speaker 11: or I wouldn't have put him there. He's going to

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Speaker 11: be very much less radical.

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Speaker 3: But there are problems.

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Speaker 11: I mean, we don't do as well as a lot

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Speaker 11: of other nations, and those nations use nothing.

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Speaker 2: So we want to get more on RFK Junior now

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Speaker 2: as we consider the idea that he could lead the

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Speaker 2: Health and Human Services Department. In turn to doctor Leslie Canter,

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Speaker 2: she is chair of the Department of Urban Global Public

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Speaker 2: Health at Rutgers University and is joining us now here

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Speaker 2: on Bloomberg TV and radio. Doctor Canter, thank you for

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Speaker 2: your time. When we consider RFK Junior and the many

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Speaker 2: ideas around public health around vaccines he has put forward,

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Speaker 2: what gives you greatest pause.

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Speaker 12: Well, let's start with the fact that we know that

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Speaker 12: vaccines are safe and effective, and that over the past

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Speaker 12: fifty years, more than one hundred and fifty million lives

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Speaker 12: have been saved around the world because of vaccines. Our

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Speaker 12: biggest problem right now is that there is too much

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Speaker 12: misinformation about vaccines and that is making some parents unnecessarily

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Speaker 12: frightened about vaccinating their children.

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Speaker 8: We have a tremendous amount.

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Speaker 12: Of data that shows that the vaccines that are recommended

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Speaker 12: by the American Academy Pediatrics in this country are going

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Speaker 12: to keep your kids from getting what could be very

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Speaker 12: serious diseases.

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Speaker 2: Well, something else we heard from the President elect yesterday

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Speaker 2: was that he does not like vaccine mandates, which obviously

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Speaker 2: we think about a lot when it comes to the

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Speaker 2: required vaccines for children to attend school. What would happen

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Speaker 2: if those were to go away.

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Speaker 12: Well, we can already see in many states that we

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Speaker 12: are getting below what we would consider community immunity. We

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Speaker 12: used to call it herd immunity, but we're trying to

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Speaker 12: call it community immunity, for example, which is extremely contagious,

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Speaker 12: extremely deadly. You need ninety five percent of people in

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Speaker 12: a community to be vaccinated to make sure that no

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Speaker 12: spread can get going, and we already see in many

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Speaker 12: states that we are a little bit below that ninety

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Speaker 12: five percent mark. We're at more like ninety percent nationwide.

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Speaker 12: So school mandates are one way to have a place

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Speaker 12: where we make sure that children are vaccinated and that

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Speaker 12: other children are not put at risk because they're unvaccinated

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Speaker 12: kids going to school with them well.

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Speaker 2: And one vaccine we've heard a lot about in particular

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Speaker 2: is the polio vaccine. RFK Junior on the Hill yesterday

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Speaker 2: seemed to suggest that he is supportive of it. Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump says, we're not going to lose it. How important

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Speaker 2: is it that that is true that people continue to

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Speaker 2: be vaccinated against polio?

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Speaker 12: You know, I think for anybody who was alive and

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Speaker 12: terrified when polio was around, my father is among those people,

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Speaker 12: and he can't believe, and I don't think most of

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Speaker 12: people that age can believe that we would ever for

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Speaker 12: a second let up on the polio vaccine. One reason

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Speaker 12: that you don't see any of the terrible outcomes of

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Speaker 12: polio is because we are all vaccinated these days.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, when we consider what could fall under

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior's remit if he were to lead the Department

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Speaker 2: of Health and Human Services, it's not just about vaccinations.

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Speaker 2: There's obviously a number of other issues that pertain to

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Speaker 2: public health, and Donald Trump has talked about some of

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Speaker 2: the good ideas he sees RFK having in other arenas, including,

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Speaker 2: for example, thoughts around food and nutrition.

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Speaker 4: And additives in our food.

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Speaker 2: Can you weigh in on some of these other ideas

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Speaker 2: that RFK has put forward and whether any of them,

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Speaker 2: in your mind, do have a merit in terms of

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Speaker 2: thinking about better public health.

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Speaker 8: Sure?

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Speaker 12: Well, to be clear, I am not a net trihist,

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Speaker 12: but I am familiar with some of the concerns about

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Speaker 12: ultraprocessed foods. I think that an examination of our food

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Speaker 12: supply trying to make people educated about what is important

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Speaker 12: for nutrition. I mean, it is kind of stunning that's

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Speaker 12: at least some ingredients associated with ultraprocessed food. So I

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Speaker 12: think that is something that I think many public health

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Speaker 12: and health professionals could get behind. But there's certainly a

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Speaker 12: lot of concern about any misinformation spreading about things like

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Speaker 12: vaccines or things like fluoride. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 12: at any list of what the big public health accomplishments

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Speaker 12: were between nineteen hundred and nineteen ninety nine, when life

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Speaker 12: expectancy went up so much in this country, you're going

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Speaker 12: to see vaccines at the top, and then you're also

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Speaker 12: going to see fluoride. And by the way, you also

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Speaker 12: see family planning, which is something I've spent a lot

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Speaker 12: of my career working on.

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Speaker 2: Well, and in our final two minutes here, I do

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Speaker 2: want to talk to you about that because OURFK Junior

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Speaker 2: has actually faced backlash in some conservative circles for his

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Speaker 2: more reproductive.

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Speaker 4: Rights views that he has held in the past.

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Speaker 2: Just quickly here, what is the relationship between reproductive health

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Speaker 2: access and public health more widely?

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Speaker 12: Well, we know that when women can make decisions about

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Speaker 12: their methods of birth control, that's absolutely essential to health,

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Speaker 12: and of course access to abortion is important for wanted

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Speaker 12: pregnancies as well. The only way we can have maternal

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Speaker 12: health in this country is to have access to the

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Speaker 12: full range of reproductive health care.

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Speaker 2: And do you believe that the pivot we have seen

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Speaker 2: from RFK Junior after he has become the nominee talking

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Speaker 2: less about abortion rights might translate into actual more restrictions

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Speaker 2: on reproductive health.

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Speaker 12: I hope not, but I know that we do have

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Speaker 12: an administration where a lot of people have very concerning

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Speaker 12: attitudes towards abortion and also towards contraception.

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Speaker 2: All right, Doctor Leslie Canter, chair of the Department of

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Speaker 2: Urban Global Public Health at Rutgers University, Thanks for being

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Speaker 2: here on Balance of Power and stay close. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: we're going to have much more reason to discuss many

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Speaker 2: of these issues as we see the actual confirmation hearings

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Speaker 2: and more of the process getting underway.

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