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Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with text Stuff from how

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Speaker 1: stuff dot com. Hey there, every one, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: text Stuff. I'm Jonathan Strickland and I'm Lauren Bulkle Bums.

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Speaker 1: And today we're going to conclude our two part series

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Speaker 1: on handheld games, their history and the importance thereof. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we are not again covering every single handheld gaming system

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Speaker 1: that has ever come out. No, that would that would

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Speaker 1: We're hitting some of the big names and also some

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Speaker 1: of the funny stories, because there are a couple in

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Speaker 1: don't think that these so much made a tremendous impact

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Speaker 1: that this this is We left off after after Sega

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Speaker 1: we're pretty much the same thing. We're branded the Mega

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Speaker 1: Duck and Cougar Boy. Does sound like the worst superheroes

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Speaker 1: ever Mega Duck and Cougar Boy fighting crimes. It's yeah. Again,

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Speaker 1: they're they're cartridge based handheld video game systems. Nothing. Nothing

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Speaker 1: along to our to our other yeah, like the tumble

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Speaker 1: huh wow, learning something new about Lauren here. Actually the

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Speaker 1: when Sega released the Nomad, which was a handheld version

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Speaker 1: about we talked about the Engage and how that was

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00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 1: a massive flop. Surely there are no more high profile

432
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: massive flops in the handheld gaming history, are there? Well,

433
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: you refer in to one right before the ad breaks,

434
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: So I think I think it's pretty likely. But yes,

435
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: the Tiger Telematics released the Gizmondo two thousand five, and

436
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: I can't believe that something with that cool of a

437
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: name could possibly flop. Yeah, I know, with the word

438
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: with a name like Gizmondo, the sky is the limit.

439
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: Gizmondo originally was called the Game Track, but that's not

440
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: nearly as cool as Gizmondo Mondo. So I like that's

441
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: coming out like Nondo mondou. So yeah. They showed off

442
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: a prototype of this device back at c E S

443
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: two thousand four. And this one is an interesting game

444
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 1: system to me, partly because of the operating system it used. Yeah,

445
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: it was. It was Windows based, Windows CE four point

446
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: two to be specific, right, And so I mean it

447
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: was the first handheld gaming device to actually use the

448
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: Windows platform as its native operating system, and and partially

449
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: due to that. It was also kind of hopping on

450
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: to the to the very tail end of of that

451
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: sort of pd A trend or maybe that was over,

452
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: but but just people were thinking a lot more about

453
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: combining different features into devices at this juncture. And uh

454
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: so it also had a camera and GPS and texting capabilities,

455
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: SMS and uh and Bluetooth Bluetooth, right, all of those things,

456
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: and so you think, wow, this thing is packed. Why

457
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: didn't it sell incredibly well? Part of that reason was because, uh, well,

458
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: there were two different flavors of gizmutton Do that you

459
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: could purchase. The first one that came out was four

460
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Yes, that was unsubsidized four hundred dollars. And

461
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: when you when I say unsubsidized, you may say, what

462
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: do you mean? What was the subsidized version? It's because

463
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: when the that the first one didn't sell basically at all,

464
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: they came out with an ad supported version for two years,

465
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: still didn't do well, and in fact, within eleven months

466
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: of the product launching, the company goes bankrupt. Yeah, and

467
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: it was one of one those devices that initially got

468
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people excited, but the longer the saga went,

469
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: the more skepticism was involved, and by the time it launched,

470
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people felt exactly the opposite

471
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: of how they had when you know, it was just

472
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: an idea and non an actual product. So both the

473
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: Gizmondo and the aforementioned Engage are frequently found on worst

474
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: console lists ever, like worst console ever, not just worst handhelds,

475
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: not like yeah, no, like this is going up against

476
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, those video game consoles that would come out

477
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: and have three games and then disappear forever. These were

478
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: way up there, and part of it is because they

479
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: were really expensive. They ended up costing companies. You know,

480
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: in this case, it cost a company its existence. So

481
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: it's it's tough, you know. It's one of those things

482
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: you don't want to see it happened. There's some schaden

483
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: freuda there, I'm sure, but you don't want to see

484
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: that ever happen to anybody. Sure, although okay, so so

485
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: Strangely enough, the next entry on our on our list,

486
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: which would turn into a huge UM. I hate the

487
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: word disruptor. I think it's overused, but disruptor in the

488
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: market UM was was another multi use device, and I'm

489
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: talking about the iPhone, introduced by Apple in two thousand seven. Yes,

490
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: so when it first came out, it just looked like

491
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: an amazing device. I don't think any of us had, uh,

492
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: the inkling of how disruptive it was going to be

493
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: until the app development really started to open up and

494
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: people began to make games specifically for the iPhone. Sure, sure,

495
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, the iPhone is not a handheld

496
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: gaming device except for the part where you can use

497
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: it like one, Yeah, you can have you it's a

498
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: handheld device that can play games. So it's really a

499
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: multi use device. But the point here is that it

500
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: had and it continues to have a really big influence

501
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: on the handheld gaming industry as a whole, because you've

502
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: got some consumers out there who say, well, I could

503
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: buy this single use device, even if it can play

504
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: multiple games, it's still just a game device. Or I

505
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: can buy this thing that's also a phone and an

506
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: interactive map and let's me connect to the internet and etcetera, etcetera.

507
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: So it's one of those that has really started to

508
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: take a big bite out of the mobile gaming world.

509
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: Now there are different markets, and some of those markets

510
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: are more attuned to those gaming devices than to the

511
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: smartphone world. So it's not the handheld gaming devices are

512
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: now irrelevant, you know, it's not like they're they're going obsoletely,

513
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: but they're having a tougher time now that this come

514
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: on here, and we will we will talk more about

515
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: that um in in the the very end of our

516
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: podcast as we get into the current years. But but

517
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: for now, let's let's talk about that. This is a

518
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: really interesting one to me. This came out in two

519
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: thousand nine and it was the game pack GP two

520
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: x Whiz. Yeah, the GP two x Whiz is one

521
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: of those open source handheld gaming systems. It was actually

522
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: made so that people could fiddle around with all the

523
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: different programming for it and create all sorts of applications

524
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: and games. Again kind of going pendently. Yeah, it's designed

525
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: for independent developers and and emulators even right right, This

526
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: is going back to that same one we talked about,

527
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: the Korean game system we talked about earlier. This is

528
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: kind of similar to that. It had a thirty three

529
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: Mega Hurts processors, so it was you know, packing a

530
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: bit of a wallet for an open source system, and

531
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it was also had really awesome packaging. I mean,

532
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: I looked at the packaging. It looks like this this

533
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: kind of leather bound sort of box that says the

534
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: Whiz on it, and I thought, I want I kind

535
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: of just want the box. At this point, it was

536
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: it was really sleek and um and I think that

537
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: two thousand nine was was one of those peaks of

538
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: emulator use that that we've that we've you know, it's

539
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's an undulating wave of of people

540
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: who don't really mind kind of pirrating games. Well in

541
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: some cases it's people who want to have access to

542
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: old titles that are no longer supported. Oh sure. And

543
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: and especially at this particular time point before a lot

544
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: of studios had begun creating legal ports of their game

545
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: games for for app stores, because app stores were not

546
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: in two thousand nine what they are today at all. Um. So,

547
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: so that was it was it was filling a piece

548
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: of the market that. Yeah, it was really quite clever.

549
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: I was going unserved at that point. Yeah, for example,

550
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: that that now you can get ports of classic arcade

551
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: games uh delivered to like an iPad, you know, you

552
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: can get their apps just for that. But at the

553
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: time that really wasn't that wasn't something you would find.

554
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: So Nintendo and not content to sit back upon its

555
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: haunches and cackle maniacally releases the three D S, which

556
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: I was at the E three where the three D

557
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: S dah yeah, uh it was you know, the win

558
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: the debut. It definitely got a lot of attention because

559
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: people thought this is it's a brand new handheld from Nintendo,

560
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: which automatically made it really interesting. It also had this

561
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: three D capability. The three D capability was was nifty

562
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: but also one of those things that people were skeptical

563
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: about because three D has traditionally been a real it's yeah,

564
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: it's been hard to get into the consumer market, right sure, sure,

565
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: although you know glasses free three D is it's always

566
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: more um dynamic, I think, to to the consumer market

567
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: than than glasses. Yeah, you know when you don't have

568
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: to Yeah, you don't have to keep track of yet

569
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: another piece of equipment, right right, Although of course you

570
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: could also play games in two D, you can't have

571
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: to play them in three D. And has a special

572
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: camera where you could take three D pictures, but you

573
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: can only view them on the three D S obviously. Uh.

574
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: It was neat and also had some augmented reality features

575
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: to it. I didn't put that in the notes, but

576
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: I remember getting to play with that where you you

577
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: got like a little card and it had a symbol

578
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: from Mario, like it might have one of the question

579
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: mark blocks, and you put it down on a table

580
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: and you hold the camera to it, and you activate

581
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: the correct app on the three D S because it

582
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: wasn't just you know, magically recognizing it, but with the

583
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: right app, it would then have a little virtual character

584
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: pop up on the picture of the whatever card was

585
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: that you had put down on the screen. Right. Yeah,

586
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: so on the screen it looks like there's an actual

587
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: physical character walking around on your table. If you were

588
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: to actually look without using the three DS, you would

589
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: think the person was crazy. But um, but it was

590
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: really kind of a cool little gimmick. Uh. They'd also

591
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: update this in two thousand twelve as the three D

592
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: S XL. I bet you can guess what that means. Um,

593
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: it didn't perform nearly as well as the company was

594
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: kind of anticipating at first, and they would they would

595
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: splash the price after it had only been on the

596
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: market for a couple of months. Yeah, it was actually

597
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: when I heard that I thought at first it had

598
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: to be a mistake because Nintendo is not known for

599
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: doing that. Yeah. Yeah, they usually are very aware of

600
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: what they want a price to be and are very

601
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: savvy about what what the market will handle. Um. But

602
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: but sales did start to pick up over time, and

603
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: and eventually it would it would do really pretty well. Um,

604
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: certainly much better than the WEIU, which would launch the

605
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: following year. Yeah. So again this is one of those

606
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: long tail kind of approaches and uh. And part of

607
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: that I think was the fact that the games for

608
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: the three D s started to get more and more sophisticated. Sure,

609
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: and that helped a lot. Also that same year, in

610
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, Sony comes out with a couple of

611
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: things that were big news. One was the Experience play

612
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: I remember that at the three as well. People were

613
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: calling it originally the PlayStation phone. Yeah. Yeah, because this

614
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: was another like like the failed Engage uh phone plus

615
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: handheld gaming system. Yeah. It used Android OS originally too well,

616
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: originally two point three, which is gingerbread. It was supposed

617
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: to get an upgrade to ice Cream Sandwich, which is

618
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: Android four point Oh. However, Sony did some tests on

619
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: the phone so Sony Ericson really, I should say, because

620
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: that's the company that actually made the phone. The sub

621
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: company under Sony. Sony Ericson made the phone, tested it

622
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: under Android four point oh ice cream Sandwich, and found

623
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: out that it was not very stable, so they ultimately

624
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: decided to keep it at two point three, which disappointed

625
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: some consumers. The same year, Sony also launched the PlayStation Vita,

626
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: which is much more successful than the experience of play

627
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: uh yeah. Flagship handheld device. It's essentially the replacement for

628
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: the PlayStation portable to PSP. So Vita has an arm

629
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: based to Giga Hurts processors. It's got some serious firepower

630
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: under the hood compared to other handheld devices. I know,

631
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: if you're you know, talking about your mega awesome gaming

632
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: PC at home, two Giga hurt sounds like nothing, but

633
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: for a handheld device at this time, it was really

634
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: pretty powerful. And it was also one of the big

635
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: features that they touted when they launched the Vita was

636
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: how it could interact with PlayStation home consoles. It had

637
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: two thumbsticks for control, had a lot of buttons, had

638
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: directional pad as well, had WiFi and Bluetooth capability, and

639
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: you could also get a more expensive one that had

640
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: three G capability. Of course you have to get a

641
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: contract with that and then uh, you know, you you

642
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: can't plug in a PSP game and play it. It's

643
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: not compatible in that sense. But you could down the

644
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: PSP games, yes, so you could purchase PSP games for

645
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: download and play them on the Vita that way, so

646
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: it's a digital download as opposed to reading the optical discs.

647
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: The u m D from the old PSPs and the

648
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: launch price was two fifty dollars, although it has since

649
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: dropped in price, so you can you can buy one

650
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: for less than that. Now, that is when we started

651
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: getting into um gaming tablets. Yeah, which you know again

652
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: like you could look at something like the iPad and

653
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: you can play games on the iPad because it was

654
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: a more devoted device. A couple of these were more

655
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: definitely marketed as gaming devices as opposed to this is

656
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: a general purpose tablet that can also play games. So yeah,

657
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: the Arcos game Pad is one of those, another Android

658
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: based game and also open source. So this one, if

659
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: you were to look at one, it looks like a

660
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: tablet that's had to controller like handle things used on

661
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: the side we'll be talking about another one in a second,

662
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: but it's the razor edge, but that was a little different.

663
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a minute. So these look

664
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: like it's actually part of the case itself. Um. And

665
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: they had thumbsticks, directional pad buttons on those little the

666
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: little game controllers that are fused onto it. Um. And uh, yeah,

667
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: it was a pretty powerful device. And the fact that

668
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: it's open source is another one of those things that

669
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: developers really love because they have the chance to make

670
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: stuff without having to jump through any hoops. Um. You know,

671
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: like some of the other companies like Nintendo for example,

672
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: obviously they want to have a good control on quality

673
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: because they learned that valuable lesson from way back in

674
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: three with the video game Crash that you don't control quality,

675
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: you flood the market with crappy stuff and then you

676
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: suffer for it. Well, um, you know, the downside to

677
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: that is that if you're a little independent developer, you

678
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: may not have the resources that you would need to

679
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: make a game for the kind of platform. So this

680
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: is a very attractive alternative. Oh sure. And also at

681
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: the time, game development for mobile platforms was was in

682
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: a crazy boom. Um. In fact, according to digital market

683
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: analysis company app annie uh Global, iOS app store game

684
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: expenditures overtook in handhold console game expenditures overall. So so

685
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: the amount of money being spent on on iOS games

686
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: was way more, or maybe not way more, but but

687
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: it was. It was it was edging out the handheld

688
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: game system. That's that's big news. And again another one

689
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: of those things where the handheld game industry has to

690
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: take notice and say, we have to acknowledge that this

691
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: is sure, especially after Google Play expenditures would do the

692
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: same thing in early Yeah, and that's as as pretty

693
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: eye opening. Also that's when Razor released the Razor Edge,

694
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Speaker 1: another gaming tablet that I'll have to see it a

695
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Speaker 1: c Yes, this one run on Windows eight, so it runs.

696
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Speaker 1: I guess it currently still exists, Yes it does. It

697
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: does still exist Windows eight, so it's a Windows eight machine. Um.

698
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: You know. Again, another one of those that that kind

699
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: of splits off from the crowd. It's not Android or

700
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: its own proprietary system and has an Intel processor. Depending

701
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: upon which one you get, it might be an I

702
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: five or an Ice seven and uh, you know, is

703
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: high resolution, high performance gaming tablet. It also had a

704
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: snap on kind of case, and the snap on case

705
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: had handles on either side that had additional controls to it,

706
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: so it kind of looks like you're holding a steering

707
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: wheel that's missing the top and bottom, and the center

708
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: of the steering wheel instead of it being the horn

709
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: is the screen of the tablet, right, So you could

710
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: actually use this and have a game that uses the

711
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: orientation of the tablet as a control, like a driving game,

712
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: and then you steer with the two control sticks that

713
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: you have, or the control sticks also had you know,

714
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: thumb sticks, button, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Um. Yeah, I got

715
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: to play with one of these at ce S. It

716
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: was actually as funny because it was as I recall,

717
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: razor originally would just have a representative holding the razor

718
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: edge and showing it off, or it was inside a case,

719
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: and so that was as close as you could get.

720
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: But the longer you stayed at c e S, the

721
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: less they seem to care. So if you happen to

722
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: walk up on the last day and say can I

723
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: can I take the closer look at that, they would

724
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: hand it to you like, wow, this is pretty awesome.

725
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: I need to remember to book my stay to come

726
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: at the end of CS and not the beginning of

727
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: ce S. Yeah, so it was ne Again, it's pretty high.

728
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: It's like a high price, uh item. It's not one

729
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: of those that I don't think that it's necessarily done

730
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: a huge amount of business. Yeah, and it's gotten some

731
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: flak for being gimmicky for what it is, I mean,

732
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, for for being as expensive as it is,

733
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: having a relatively low capacity for what it does. Right.

734
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: And and again, like you were saying, I think around

735
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: this time, we're talking about mobile games just taking off.

736
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, the the amounts of money that people

737
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: were spending on mobile games had been doubling or even

738
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: quadrupling year over year. Handheld gaming was was also still

739
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: climbing in sales, but by less than ten percent year

740
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: over year. Um And And by by this point I

741
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: mentioned that that iOS game expenditures had had edged out

742
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: handheld They were far and away doing the best. By

743
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: this point. The dust in absolutely in the dust. Um And.

744
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: One of the advantages I think for for mobile games

745
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: here is that they seem to be way less seasonal,

746
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: way less like a treat or a special occasion kind

747
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: of purchase than handheld games tend to be yeah, I

748
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: mean I can. I can imagine like it being a

749
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: real impulse by for one thing, the entire experience is digital.

750
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: You're not buying a physical are like a cartridge. You

751
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: never have to think about walking into a store, going

752
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: to Amazon or whatever. And granted a lot of the

753
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: handheld devices these days work on that same principle. But

754
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: but the smartphones just had an advantage because that's how

755
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: they always had done it. So Also in two thousand thirteen,

756
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: that's when in Video released the Shield, another one of

757
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: those devices I got to see its c s and

758
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: another one I got to hold after sticking around long enough. Um,

759
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: this one looks a lot like an Xbox controller that

760
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: has a clamshell screen kind of welded onto it. Although

761
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: you know you can't open and close the screen. It's

762
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: not like it's stuck in place. A touch screen by

763
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, it's touch screen and it can run

764
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: Android games. So if you ever wanted to play an

765
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: Android game using a actual Xbox controller, you could totally

766
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: do that. Uh and I shouldn't say it's an Xbox controller,

767
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: it just looks like one. But it also it also

768
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: could run streaming games that you're streaming from a PC. Right, So, yeah,

769
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: you run like a PC game, but you want to

770
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: be able to play it in the living room or

771
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: you want to lay down in bed and play this game.

772
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: You don't want to and you don't want to take

773
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: your alien wear enormous desktop computer to bed with you

774
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: because it would set the sheets on fire, so you

775
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: have the Invidios shield instead and just stream the content

776
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: directly to your game, to your your device. And so, yeah,

777
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty cool. The launch price was

778
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars, which a lot of people kind of

779
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, balked at. It is now down to two

780
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: so it they have cut the price on it. Uh. Again,

781
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: one of those devices that I think has its devoted followers,

782
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: but it's a niche market. Sure was was a good

783
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: year for downgrading. Really. Nintendo released the two DS that year,

784
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: which is a scaled down version of the three D S.

785
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah it's one D list. Yeah, also doesn't. When I

786
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: first heard of the two D S, I just imagined

787
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: that it was a three D S that had the

788
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: three D stuff removed. But in fact the form factor

789
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: itself is a little different. Instead of being a clamshell,

790
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: it looks it looks like a tablet that has two screens,

791
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: one screen mounted on top of another with a divider

792
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: in between, and it was marketed to a younger audience.

793
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it was definitely its own separate product. Yeah yeah,

794
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: I know that there are people who question Nintendo's strategy

795
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: with that, but I mean it was really when you

796
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: look at how the Nintendo three Ds initially performed, you

797
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: could understand the impetus behind the Sword of Decisions. Sure,

798
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: and Nintendo was also struggling pretty hard. And in this

799
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: general time, they you know that the weiu was basically

800
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: a flop, and uh they they merged their console and

801
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: handheld teams that year in order to just give anyone

802
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: a boost, or they were pretty desperate, yep, yep. And

803
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: also this most recent E three was when we started

804
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: seeing companies like Microsoft and Sony show off the interoperability

805
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: between tablets and their their new consoles, the Xbox One

806
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: in the PlayStation four. The idea being that you could

807
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: use a tablet to play a play along with a

808
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: game that's already in the going on in some other format,

809
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: ye to have a second screen for mini games or

810
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: side information, or you have just a totally different um

811
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: a totally different function to fulfill in the team. Right.

812
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: So the one that I kept on seeing over and

813
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: over again was, let's say it's a squad based kind

814
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: of game where you've got four or five people playing

815
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: on an Xbox on their Xbox one with their controllers

816
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: and everything, and then you have another member who's using

817
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: the tablet as a tactical, uh kind of interface, so

818
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: they are coordinating. They're saying, okay, uh, you know, Unit bravo,

819
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: you need to advance two feet and then turn left,

820
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: you know. So they could actually kind of be extra

821
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: set of eyes, which I thought was a really cool idea.

822
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: I have yet to see that in action in a

823
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: way that really has grabbed me, but I love that.

824
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: I love the concept. Yeah, it's a really good applications

825
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 1: that killer app. It's got to have that killer app.

826
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is kind of bringing us up to today.

827
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: We talked about how Nintendo has been really kind of struggling.

828
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: There's been rumors about them getting into some form of

829
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: partnerships with phones. Yeah, they're so so they've been operating

830
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: at a loss for a solid two years in a

831
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: row as of as of when we're recording this podcast.

832
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: In I'm late February to be specific. Um, and it's

833
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: it's sounding like they're they're considering developing like device hardware

834
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: that will help link their handheld in console markets and

835
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: focusing on that rather than trying to port their games

836
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: and characters to existing smartphone experiences. And Nintendo has a

837
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: reputation for really wanting to control everything about the experience,

838
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: so I can understand why they would be reluctant to say,

839
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: license their characters or to port their games over to

840
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: a platform they don't have control over, which is what

841
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: would happen if they created You know, Super Mario for

842
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: iOS doesn't stop people from trying to create clone games

843
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: of it, but certainly not and and emulators do exist. Yeah,

844
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: but you can understand why Nintendo says, no, we want

845
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: to be able to make sure that our players have

846
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: the best experience possible. Now you can debate on whether

847
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: or not, you know, how successful they are in their

848
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: own right on doing that, but there's no debate on

849
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: the fact that if you don't have control of the platform,

850
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: you can't make that guarantee at all. So that's their idea.

851
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: And then also finally kind of wrapping this up, some

852
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: of the most recent news you have this about a

853
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: a Samsung uh device right right. It's called the game

854
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: pad right right now. I think it's only an Germany

855
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: and Korea, but they're planning on rolling it out worldwide.

856
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: I believe it's a It's a Bluetooth smartphone accessory, which

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Speaker 1: I think is really interesting because because again going back

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Speaker 1: to the fact that mobile apps are really overtaking other

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Speaker 1: forms of handheld gaming. And it lets you it lets

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Speaker 1: you dock your device in in this controller plus screen

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Speaker 1: holder thing. You're you're not literally docking, you're not connecting.

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Speaker 1: You're not connecting the device to this stuff only via Bluetooth.

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Speaker 1: Only via Bluetooth, right, um and and it turns your

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Speaker 1: phone into a handheld Android based gaming system. You can

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Speaker 1: use any Android based phone or many Android based phones anyway,

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Speaker 1: as long as they have appropriate Bluetooth connectivity. They don't

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Speaker 1: just have to be Samsung's um and and And there

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Speaker 1: are plenty of other products on the market that have

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Speaker 1: done similar stuff. I know that like Logitech has one

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Speaker 1: for for iOS SUM or iPhones specifically, UH it would

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Speaker 1: have to be much larger to accommodate uh iPad UM

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Speaker 1: but I just thought it was interesting that it was

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Speaker 1: being offered by a device company and and therefore kind

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Speaker 1: of being this entry into the market that's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, maybe ignore those handheld gaming devices over there

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Speaker 1: and really just turn turn your phone into your new

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Speaker 1: gaming device. Yeah, especially if that means they can get

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Speaker 1: in on the peripheral side and not have the burden

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Speaker 1: of producing a full handheld system that could totally tank

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Speaker 1: in the marketplace. Oh sure, exactly. I mean, and it's

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Speaker 1: only I think it's only like ninety bucks or thereabouts,

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Speaker 1: and in the equivalent euro gotcha, gotcha. So we might

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Speaker 1: see that expand beyond, and uh, they'll be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see how handheld gaming progresses from here. There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who still predict that smartphones will essentially

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Speaker 1: obliterate handheld gaming, and the only the only people that

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Speaker 1: will are the only companies that remain will be the

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Speaker 1: open source ones that are cattering to a very specific

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Speaker 1: niche audience. So they're doing it on a much more

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Speaker 1: modest basis. They're not they're not producing millions and millions

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Speaker 1: of units. They might be producing maybe a hundred thousand.

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Speaker 1: But we'll have to see, because yeah, I could, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I could see some systems kind of kind

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Speaker 1: of going away. But I would be really personally sad

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Speaker 1: if Nintendo didn't have an an active handheld on the market. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: especially seeing as how they've struggled so much with the

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Speaker 1: the home with the consoles consoles, yeah recently, so in anyway,

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Speaker 1: that is the history of the handheld electronic gaming device.

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Speaker 1: Like we said, we didn't mention in everything that's out there,

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Speaker 1: certainly not if we missed one of your favorites. Here's

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Speaker 1: what you can do. You can send us a message

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, Lauren and Jonathan, I know you didn't

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Speaker 1: have time to mention X handheld gaming console, but it's

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Speaker 1: really cool and here's why. And here's a picture of

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Speaker 1: me with my ex gaming console, and here's a list

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Speaker 1: of my favorite games for ex gaming console. That's the

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Speaker 1: way to do it. Don't say you guys are stupid

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Speaker 1: because you didn't mention the blah blah blah, because that's

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Speaker 1: that's the email equivalent of unplugging someone's controller when they're

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Speaker 1: in the middle of a really good about of yeah,

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Speaker 1: like punch out. Yeah, if I were if I were

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Speaker 1: going up against in hurricane and you unplugged my controller,

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Speaker 1: just as I was about to go into that combo,

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Speaker 1: I would be so ticked off. I was gonna say

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Speaker 1: a Super street Fighter t turbo. Okay, that's also fair.

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