WEBVTT - Rapper T.I. and His Wife Tiny Set The Record Straight

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, fam, I'm Jada Pinkett Smith and this is the

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<v Speaker 1>on Apple Podcasts. Recently, rappert t I, or Tip as

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<v Speaker 1>I know him, made some highly controversial comments about his

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<v Speaker 1>daughter's virginity, which caused the firestorm. Today, Tip and Tiny

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<v Speaker 1>are coming to the Red Table to publicly address his

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<v Speaker 1>comments for the first time. Hi, what's going on? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what's up? What's up? Broc? Welcome? Well, I just found

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<v Speaker 1>out of what ninety degrees today? All right, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>let you all guys wanted to say hi, so you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna do when another king and queens show up

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<v Speaker 1>at the house. You're know, I was hoping to be

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<v Speaker 1>greeted and honored properly. Yeah, I mean I was hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to set some of these opinions on you. Yea. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like Tip coming to the Red Table. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say hi, but Junker tell him I keep

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<v Speaker 1>the covering. So let me ask you this, Tip, what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell is going on now? If I may say,

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<v Speaker 1>in my defense, if I may say in my defense

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<v Speaker 1>now and I came here for the tough stuff. No

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<v Speaker 1>easy ride for me. Baby. Well then you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just start with what's in the headlines right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and then this himing gate the uproar all started after

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<v Speaker 1>t I gave an interview on parenting, specifically about his

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old daughter Deja, whose mother is singer Miss Nico.

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<v Speaker 1>So have you had the sex talk with your daughters?

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<v Speaker 1>Not only have we had a conversation, we have yearly

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<v Speaker 1>trips to the Ganna collegist to check her height. From

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<v Speaker 1>Gloria Steinham to planned Parenthood, the backlash was immediate and huge.

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<v Speaker 1>Founder of the Me Too movement to Ronald Berg had

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<v Speaker 1>this to say, that opens up this can of worms

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't think that he really was prepared to

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<v Speaker 1>open up. Or we're talking about this long tradition of

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<v Speaker 1>checking the purity of women's bodies. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of men have this idea that being a

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<v Speaker 1>good father is protecting your daughter's virginity. But it's so

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<v Speaker 1>problematic in so many ways. It's just it lends itself

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<v Speaker 1>to this notion that men own their daughters. Author and

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<v Speaker 1>professor of sociology at Georgetown University, Michael Eric Dyson shares

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<v Speaker 1>his opinion being a father, a black father in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>is not the easiest thing in the world. And a

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<v Speaker 1>guy like t I believed that the predatory behavior of

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<v Speaker 1>other men who are like you when you were younger,

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<v Speaker 1>the guys you knew were doing dirt, must be protected against.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's be honest, t I was attempting to exercise control,

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<v Speaker 1>leverage his authority as a patriarch on his daughter in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of protecting her. But there's a difference between control

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<v Speaker 1>and education. If she got pregnant, people would say, how

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<v Speaker 1>did you let your daughter get pregnant so early? And

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<v Speaker 1>it would look like a failing on his part. But

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to that is not policing your daughter's body.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would love to understand better what he really

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<v Speaker 1>thinks about this. I just want to give you a

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<v Speaker 1>moment to say what you feel like you'd like to say. Firstally,

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<v Speaker 1>I came to clip any misconceptions that have been surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>how we interact and parent and what is appropriate and inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>I think all of this surrounds a conversation that I

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<v Speaker 1>was having in a very joking manner when asked how

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<v Speaker 1>do I deal with parenting in this day and age?

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<v Speaker 1>And so I just began to, you know, from a

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<v Speaker 1>place of truth. I began to embellish and exaggerate. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that a lot of people kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>ticket extremely literal because if you put any of my reputation,

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<v Speaker 1>like who I am as a father, who I've been,

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly thought people knew me better than that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some of us that know you, but there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot but they don't. Do you understand the sensitivity of

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<v Speaker 1>really I did not. Do you understand it now? I

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<v Speaker 1>understand it now, Yes, I do. Absolutely. However, my intentions

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<v Speaker 1>I think have been terribly misconstrued and misconceived. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>go set this recordstrate. I never said I was in

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<v Speaker 1>any exam room. That is an assumption, That is a

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<v Speaker 1>false tya. I never said that it was being done

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<v Speaker 1>present day as an eighteen year old six years old

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. And I never said that her mother

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't present. Yeah, I'm mom was present every time. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was just you know, most fathers don't go, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was just present and he didn't make the adopt disappointment.

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<v Speaker 1>It's already you know, appointment and all of these things,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the this narrative, this false narrative, has just

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<v Speaker 1>been sensationalized. So at the time, her mother welcomed your presence,

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<v Speaker 1>and your daughter did too, absolutely, and that was never

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<v Speaker 1>any objection. She did have a problem with me talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, however, and I understand that, and I am

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly apologetic to her for that, to her, to you,

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<v Speaker 1>sweet baby Daja, not to any of these other strangers

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<v Speaker 1>and any of these weirdos who you know, just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of toss lies around for fun. Yeah, she understands my intentions,

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<v Speaker 1>and she knows who I am, she knows who I've

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<v Speaker 1>always been, and I think that that allows a certain

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<v Speaker 1>level of understanding. I mean, it's just the outside. The

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<v Speaker 1>noise is it's distracting, it is confusing and hurtful. It

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<v Speaker 1>is it's hurtful and embarrassing. She was horrified. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>definitely understood why she would be, you know, feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was personal to her. Dass a quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't talk a lot. She doesn't you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to nudge things out of her right because

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<v Speaker 1>we as women understand how especially for a young girl,

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<v Speaker 1>how delicate and what it exposes about her very private,

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<v Speaker 1>especially to intimate life. Yeah, I don't. I didn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get it. I was oblivious to it. However I

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<v Speaker 1>am now sensitive to it for her. Yeah, for her.

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<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, when when when the

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<v Speaker 1>number two hit the fan, and I hadn't addressed it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at her request, I was taking the bullets,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not I don't have a problem with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm finding the fire. Finding the fire, no problem with that.

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<v Speaker 1>My daughter said, just let it go, don't say nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>just let it go. And I didn't until I had

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<v Speaker 1>different directors. Okay, go ahead, make a stop. Clear it up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. And I would not be

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<v Speaker 1>here today had I not had those different directors, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>still be sitting in silence. I want to learn from you.

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<v Speaker 1>I have three powerful, independent, brilliant women, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know what is the purpose and place of a

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<v Speaker 1>father in this society, Because a father like myself who

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<v Speaker 1>wants to be as involved and as attentive as possible,

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<v Speaker 1>we could draw the conclusion of we just donate sperm

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<v Speaker 1>and come pay for things, and we don't really have

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<v Speaker 1>no say so in high things that's not true. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that's the case at all, And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think anybody has a problem with you being involved in that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was more like, that's so so very personal.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody has a problem with you protecting

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<v Speaker 1>a daughter. No, that's not the issue of you and

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<v Speaker 1>having been a young girl myself, having raised several young

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<v Speaker 1>women and realizing that a woman's journey in regards to

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<v Speaker 1>her sexuality has to be guided right mostly I think

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<v Speaker 1>by mother's that's just me personally, okay, but mother and

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<v Speaker 1>truly understanding what that journey is, takes her daughter's hand

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<v Speaker 1>and walks her through. That's how I work that out

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<v Speaker 1>with Will. There's just certain things about raising a man

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<v Speaker 1>that I can't know. I would tell him, love your daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>let me teach her, because there's certain sensitivities that you

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<v Speaker 1>might not understand and have just because of your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>in the world is different than a woman's relationship. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I knew when you talked about it, because I live

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<v Speaker 1>with a man it loves his daughter, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the conversations I've had to have with him in

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<v Speaker 1>regards to what is protecting her, what is educating her,

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<v Speaker 1>what is actually allowing her to self actualize as her

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<v Speaker 1>own individual self versus control? Right, So, when I heard

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<v Speaker 1>what happened, I said, I know what he's trying to say.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'm present. I'm present in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>anything that she needs, any kind of trouble, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like she might be in I'm right here. I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>I got it. I totally understood that. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, especially when we're dealing with these kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive issues, knowing the extent of that protection, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that people thought you were trying to control your daughter's

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<v Speaker 1>virginity versus no, because that's very different question ask it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, the world, control is very but you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's what it sounds like. No, but in order

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<v Speaker 1>to guide or direct, you must have a certain level

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<v Speaker 1>of control of anything. Okay, So so, so how do

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<v Speaker 1>you want us to understand your level of control on

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<v Speaker 1>what you were speaking of? Well, I think that in

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<v Speaker 1>the age or the time where our women, black women

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<v Speaker 1>are the most unprotected and disregarded women on the planet,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being criticized because I'm willing to go above and

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<v Speaker 1>beyond to protect mine and I'm talking about all of

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<v Speaker 1>the little slimmy, grimmy, chepy fingered little boys who want

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<v Speaker 1>to just come in, defile and destroy the sanctity that

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<v Speaker 1>I have. Amen, Listen, I'm just saying, right, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand anything. That is the most important thing to me

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. I am going to deal with that

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<v Speaker 1>with very extreme care, and I don't understand how that

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<v Speaker 1>is looked at. Its being so wrong in order to control.

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<v Speaker 1>For that to be mallest, there must be ill intent.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm going to the doctor with you just for

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<v Speaker 1>the sake of controlling you, that okay. But if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going for the purpose of being a protective parent, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's no thing there's no such thing as overprotective. That's

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<v Speaker 1>protected and unprotected. But what's what's important to you? Though,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't think it's so much about virginity as

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<v Speaker 1>much or was it well to me, I am here

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<v Speaker 1>to protect all of the children from themselves until they

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<v Speaker 1>make it to a point where they have awareness, a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of self and discernment to be able to make

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<v Speaker 1>certain decisions on their own that will impact their lives indefinitely.

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<v Speaker 1>So you felt as though, when she's fifteen, sixteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>that she might not have the understanding of what it

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<v Speaker 1>means to engage in absolutely since you turned eighteen, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have control of anything, and don't you you

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<v Speaker 1>don't you know what I mean? Run fly, be yourself

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<v Speaker 1>now getting her there, especially in a day where there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much input, so many other perspectives thrown at children,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, from YouTube to Instagram, like the concept

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<v Speaker 1>of love, beauty, life, sex, all of those things. Those

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<v Speaker 1>lines are being blurred every second, so there has to

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<v Speaker 1>be someone there to clarify what is acceptable what is unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 1>I trust and believe that I put moral standards, principles

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<v Speaker 1>and greatness and all of my children. But until they

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to unlock it and use those powers for themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>that has to be harnessed. When I think about the

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<v Speaker 1>girls that I've raised, I was never really trying to

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<v Speaker 1>protect their virginia versus making sure that they had a

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<v Speaker 1>level of understanding and maturity before going into certain things.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was never about well out of virgin It's

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<v Speaker 1>not protecting. I'm not there to protect necessarily virginity. I

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<v Speaker 1>just know that is a big move. Right now. You

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<v Speaker 1>make that move, Okay, there are things that happened that

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<v Speaker 1>follow you have to be equipped, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you're equipped or I don't know, like I have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Awareness is my first line of defense, right, So that's different.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay I don't know how, but okay, that's education. You

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<v Speaker 1>only have but so much control. Right So I have

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<v Speaker 1>been vocal about what to expect or not to expect,

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<v Speaker 1>foolishly of young men. You know, as she begin ends

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<v Speaker 1>to engage and socialize, just hey, man, listening, keep your

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<v Speaker 1>expectations low. You can't get your feelings wrapped up in this. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is a physical urge, this animalistic urge

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<v Speaker 1>is taking over right here. This is not an emotional

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<v Speaker 1>romantic encounter for this gentleman. Don't think it is. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that's the part you were trying to protect

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<v Speaker 1>her from? Yes, because if you are, if you aren't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like young boys that age, would not be able

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<v Speaker 1>to care for defile and distract, care for your daughter

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally and the way in which you think she deserves.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what it was about. I mean, definitely all

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<v Speaker 1>of the above. She definitely should be free for what

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<v Speaker 1>could potentially come from, you know, doing the duke. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? The dangers of pregnancy, the dangers

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<v Speaker 1>of diseases, the dangers of you know, just having your

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<v Speaker 1>heart broken, thrown away and discarded, not to be forgotten.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say that you went to the darkness appointment that

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, we all know that hymans can be

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<v Speaker 1>broken by riding a horse. It can be like it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could be very sexually active in your hyman.

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<v Speaker 1>Be intact that that is. These are all things that

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<v Speaker 1>that you are learning as a man, and I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>to you guys to educate. Well, let me ask you

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<v Speaker 1>another question. Man. Let's say that you found out that

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<v Speaker 1>she at fifteen or sixteen years old wasn't a virgin.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you have done that? Your childhood is when

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<v Speaker 1>you lose your virginity. That's it that you now you

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<v Speaker 1>ended your childhood and it's time to begin adulthood. And

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<v Speaker 1>I can't let you run around trying to enjoy the

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<v Speaker 1>luxuries of adulthood without any of the responsibilities of adulthood.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you say your childhood and who you mean like,

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<v Speaker 1>you must heighten the level of responsibility. That could be

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<v Speaker 1>birth control, it could be financial or just having a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just run around not nor what you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do no more. You can't just run around like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh I figured out later. No, now you've made a

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<v Speaker 1>decision that you want to be an adult. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>need to have a plan together. You need to because

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<v Speaker 1>if you figured this out, you need to have all

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<v Speaker 1>this figured that too, right, But I need to just

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<v Speaker 1>say this though. I still feel like it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been different if it was your son versus your daughter, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I always think it's so interesting and how men

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<v Speaker 1>treasure their daughter's virginity but not their sons. I I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of made the comparison of a son versus a daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>If my son goes out and gets a girl pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>how is the household changed for those nine months? The

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<v Speaker 1>household does not necessarily change those nine months, whereas if

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<v Speaker 1>my daughter come home, my household has changed immediately. So

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<v Speaker 1>the stakes are highed. We were raised to provide and protect.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't recall having much of a childhood besides figuring

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<v Speaker 1>ways to get my mama to get over you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. So I think that if there is

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<v Speaker 1>any more to be taught, it has to come in

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<v Speaker 1>the form of philosophy, not punish me. Absolutely, you just

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<v Speaker 1>brought up something that I think is very interesting, the

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<v Speaker 1>conditioning that comes with being a father. We all have

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<v Speaker 1>been conditioned in a way to exactly and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that in this very sensitive time when we have all

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<v Speaker 1>this social media and social justice issues around um, the

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<v Speaker 1>female body. This is the thing about the female body.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the conversation is different when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>mom than when it comes to dad. You see, very different,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it, and I don't understand it. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>because the same thing we're talking about, just like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>the virginity of my daughter versus the virginity of my son. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's the same conversation around mom versus dad. Because

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<v Speaker 1>mom can tell daughter not to cut her hair, not

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<v Speaker 1>the perman hair, not to color her hair, uh, not

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<v Speaker 1>to get pearsons or whatever, but she can give her

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<v Speaker 1>body away to anybody she wants to do without Pop

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<v Speaker 1>saying anything. Well, here's the thing, though, this is what

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<v Speaker 1>you have to understand. Though. It's a patriarchal structure that

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<v Speaker 1>is not all. Yes, I heard the term before. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that term was the thing patriarch with. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it is structured by the views and the

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<v Speaker 1>outlook of men. Okay, and it tends to be at

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<v Speaker 1>times often oppressive to the feminine journey. Okay, has the

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<v Speaker 1>fit has had females actually tried to explain absolutely, that's

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<v Speaker 1>why you have feminists. That's why you have womanists, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think the feminists. Sometimes it can be misconstrued by

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<v Speaker 1>people who don't understand it as women wanting men to

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<v Speaker 1>stop silencing them so they could silence men. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not that. There's a lot that happens since the feminine

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<v Speaker 1>feminine journey, right, it's often told or seen and left

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<v Speaker 1>through the eyes of men who know nothing about women

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<v Speaker 1>and what we're going through. Boom. That's the point because

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like, even when I heard what happened, I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't understand the level. He found out how serious

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<v Speaker 1>it was and how personal it was after he said it,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, you know, he didn't think about that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I understood that just because I'm in this house,

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<v Speaker 1>will he be saying the craziest stuff. He don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>the level. And thank god he has me and he's

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<v Speaker 1>got Willow, so we educate that joke before he leaves

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<v Speaker 1>this house. You know what I mean. He's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those that likes to tell stories and he's like, John's

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<v Speaker 1>goes too far. Willow has gone at her dad several

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<v Speaker 1>times for very insensitive comments, whether it's around menstruation or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like you must be pe a message. She's

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<v Speaker 1>like that, right there, we're not gonna do that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see the problem with that. I do see

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<v Speaker 1>the problem, but I just I understand that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand see what we are landing. See, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>point right here where we are man see every days

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<v Speaker 1>working progress. What I appreciate about this moment and what

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate about you is understanding that this is a

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<v Speaker 1>teachable moment. And also I think that it's great for

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<v Speaker 1>me to have this opportunity. And I think that all

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<v Speaker 1>things happen in life for a reason. You know, every

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<v Speaker 1>lesson has a purpose and it must be dealt with

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<v Speaker 1>different but out of care and out of concern, not

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<v Speaker 1>out of control and out of education. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that our community, I culture, our generation can be pushed

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<v Speaker 1>forward by having comfortable, convenient discussions. We have to have

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<v Speaker 1>tough discussions in order to move forward. Right. And I

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<v Speaker 1>knew when I heard it, Huh, I said, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>big misunderstand I misunderstand and I knew that first. You

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<v Speaker 1>for that, and that's why I wouldn't come anywhere to

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<v Speaker 1>speak about this, because I know most people just use

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<v Speaker 1>it as a platform for themselves. And I understood why

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<v Speaker 1>people misunderstood you. So sorry, Willow can make you well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I think he might be happy in

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<v Speaker 1>the long run. So let me ask you this. Hold it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not done yet. I never ever ever had sex

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<v Speaker 1>with anyone while we've been married. I have never ever

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<v Speaker 1>ever lied about this. Tell you what talking part two

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<v Speaker 1>of our conversation with t I and Tiny. They have

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<v Speaker 1>been through it. I see the emotion in your eyes

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<v Speaker 1>from prison. So when I got back everything the world

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<v Speaker 1>was upside down to the brink of divorce. This conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>this problem, is the exact same thing will and I

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