Speaker 1: Welcome to the piked and Massacre, a production of Katie
Speaker 1: Studios and iHeartRadio. This special episode will recap our previous
Speaker 1: seasons to get you up to date on the case
Speaker 1: and mark your calendars because season three premiers May twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: Multiple people found dead in more than one location along
Speaker 1: Union Hill Road in Piked In this morning, my two
Speaker 1: PM investigators say they found eight people dead, seven adult
Speaker 1: victims and a sixteen year old boy, all from the
Speaker 1: Rodent family. Just a nightmare scenario, all of them shot
Speaker 1: in the head execution style. They were trying to possibly
Speaker 1: wipe out this entire family. It's absolutely shocking. I hope
Speaker 1: that the infortune in this area apprehend eaching everyone. These
Speaker 1: are people, these are monsters. This has been by far
Speaker 1: the longest, most complex and labor intensive investigation the Ohio
Speaker 1: Attorney General's Office has ever undertaken. On your knee havendernderback. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: a Pike County grand jury and died four individuals for
Speaker 1: aggravated murder with death pality specifications for legilate committing this heartless,
Speaker 1: ruthless murder. One family targeted, murdered in their sleep, and
Speaker 1: the killers vanished. It's personal somebody was trying to send
Speaker 1: a message. Everyone was talking about who could have done
Speaker 1: it and why they would have done it. I want
Speaker 1: to know exactly what happened that night. Thirty two gunshot wounds,
Speaker 1: eight people dead, two families destroyed, one grizzly crime. What
Speaker 1: will happen is anyone's guests. This is the Piked and
Speaker 1: Massacre Seasons one and two recap How we got here.
Speaker 1: Courtney Armstrong a television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie
Speaker 1: Leidecker and Jeff Shane. Our journey started back in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen when we made a documentary about the crime, and
Speaker 1: we've been covering the story ever since. I think I
Speaker 1: speak for all of us. Would I say that from
Speaker 1: then until now we have not been able to shake
Speaker 1: it or get it out of our heads. I think
Speaker 1: for me personally, the part of this case that continues
Speaker 1: to haunt me is the fact that there were mothers
Speaker 1: brutally murdered in front of their babies. What kind of
Speaker 1: a monster would do that. We've had the benefit of
Speaker 1: going to Pike County many times and have interviewed to date,
Speaker 1: probably hundreds of people, whether that's local townspeople or experts
Speaker 1: or family members to the victims and family members of
Speaker 1: the accused. And one thing we can say, in a
Speaker 1: small town like this, there's not a single person that
Speaker 1: hasn't been affected by this hideous story. And there's not
Speaker 1: a single person you can talk to on the street
Speaker 1: that doesn't know somebody connected to it in a meaningful way.
Speaker 1: Through all these conversations, we began to piece together and
Speaker 1: what happened on that fateful night. As you'll learn in
Speaker 1: the upcoming season three, there is still so much left
Speaker 1: to unravel in the community. Here's piked In, Native barb.
Speaker 1: Piked In's considered a village, and it is just a
Speaker 1: small little town that has a grocery store and a
Speaker 1: pizza shop and gas stations, and there's a tire shop.
Speaker 1: People sit and talk at the gas station. Wherever they go,
Speaker 1: people know each other and they just sit and talk.
Speaker 1: You know, at the tire shop you're waiting for an
Speaker 1: oil and oil change or whatever. You sit there and
Speaker 1: chat with your neighbor or whoever happens to come in.
Speaker 1: You know somebody anywhere you go. But at some point,
Speaker 1: out in the shadow of its Green Hills, the area
Speaker 1: has an erie passed everybody thinks all the bad stuff
Speaker 1: happens in the big cities, but the devil works at
Speaker 1: it everywhere. County and beautiful. It's a beautiful place, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of dirty people here too. From the
Speaker 1: side of our town. There's been a lot of murders
Speaker 1: here that have not been solved. On April twenty first,
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, evil reared its face in Pike County in
Speaker 1: the dead of night under cool, cloudy skies. Eight people
Speaker 1: were brutally shot and killed in four separate homes. I'll
Speaker 1: never forget that day. I'll never forget that day. I
Speaker 1: had gone into the office at the high school to
Speaker 1: pick Brittany up for an appointment. And when I walked in,
Speaker 1: they had a TV on and everyone in there was
Speaker 1: sitting with their mouths hanging open, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what's going on in here? And the secretaries said, my god,
Speaker 1: there's been a shooting. They said six people were killed,
Speaker 1: and she said, we are very worried because little Chris
Speaker 1: Roden didn't show up today and we think he might
Speaker 1: be one of them. Everyone was just in shock. So
Speaker 1: a little Chris law enforcement because I couldn't find him.
Speaker 1: There was some speculation early on that he might have
Speaker 1: been involved. For the residence of piked In There was
Speaker 1: little more than confusion at this point. People knew there
Speaker 1: was a shooting and that Chris Roden Jr. A sixteen
Speaker 1: year old freshman at Pikedon High was missing. Where was
Speaker 1: the teen? It was at the home of Chris Roden
Speaker 1: Senior that the nightmare began. Chris Roden Senior was known
Speaker 1: to be a strong, hard working family man. He was,
Speaker 1: you know, a great father. He was a good man,
Speaker 1: just like the rest of the guys you know in
Speaker 1: that family. He would do anything for anybody. Chrissenden and
Speaker 1: Roden were married for twenty two years, and although they divorced,
Speaker 1: they remained close, So close that Chris Senior had recently
Speaker 1: bought Dana a home on the same road he lived
Speaker 1: on Union Hill Road. He did it so they could
Speaker 1: stay close to their children. Chris Senior's cousin, Gary Roden,
Speaker 1: was more like a brother to him and often stayed
Speaker 1: at his place. Little Chris's aunt, Bobby Joe, who also
Speaker 1: lived nearby, was the first to make the gruesome discovery
Speaker 1: at seven forty nine am when she came to feed
Speaker 1: the dogs. The patriarch of the family, Chris Rodin was dead.
Speaker 1: He looked like he'd been beaten to death. Chris's cousin,
Speaker 1: Gary Roden, who was staying with Chris, was also dead.
Speaker 1: What's the saying, christ were unting Harry rod and Frank
Speaker 1: and Garry Roden star times in. It look like the
Speaker 1: dad right there? Both good? I think the very sad.
Speaker 1: The iPhone has been to pop out. Okay, you're anybody
Speaker 1: open of the house. I don't know us. Okay, the
Speaker 1: door was awfull. We got here, but on her friends,
Speaker 1: I'm here and her rating on the floor. Bobby, I
Speaker 1: need to get out of the house and way done. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll started right now. Okay, just watch this. Three year
Speaker 1: old Christopher Roden was the only one of the eight
Speaker 1: family members who was shot somewhere other than the head,
Speaker 1: and he had multiple gunshot wounds to the head. Torso
Speaker 1: and Extremities Corner Distinguished Professor and Criminals forensic expert Joseph
Speaker 1: Morgan tried to make sense of the Roden murders, starting
Speaker 1: with father and family patriarch Chris Senior. Some of this
Speaker 1: will be hard to hear, particularly if you're personally connected
Speaker 1: to the tragedy, but it's important to understand the magnitude
Speaker 1: of what happened that night. He was shot nine times. Now,
Speaker 1: for me, as a forensic investigator, I would look at
Speaker 1: that and I would deem that as overkill, And you know,
Speaker 1: why would somebody need to be shot nine times. They're
Speaker 1: saying that there's evidence that he attempted or reacted at
Speaker 1: least to the point where he raised his arm his
Speaker 1: right form and it shattered one of the bones. When
Speaker 1: you've got an individual that has gotten defensive loans, that
Speaker 1: person has an awareness, so that goes to a level
Speaker 1: of callousness that's roses to victim. Gary Rodin, Chris Senior's cousin,
Speaker 1: was a beloved member of the family. By all accounts,
Speaker 1: Gary and Chris Senior were very close. Gary just happened
Speaker 1: to be at Chris's home that night. He was actually
Speaker 1: from Kentucky, so you know, he didn't even live in
Speaker 1: the area or the neighborhood, but you know, lived close
Speaker 1: enough to where he was staying with Chris that evening.
Speaker 1: We do know that the shooter was very close to
Speaker 1: Gary when they fired, because they talked about what is
Speaker 1: referred to as a press contact events at wanted and
Speaker 1: if our listeners will essentially take your index finger, okay,
Speaker 1: and point it toward the palm of your hand and
Speaker 1: extend the tip of your finger maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: probably about half an inch away from the surface of
Speaker 1: your palm. That's kind of what we will refer to
Speaker 1: as a contact moon. And what that means is that
Speaker 1: you're going to have you know, the bullet's not the
Speaker 1: only thing coming out of the end of the weapon.
Speaker 1: You're going to have the fire that actually the ignition
Speaker 1: of a bullet, and around you'll have this burning of
Speaker 1: powder that's coming out. You'll have unburned powder that's coming out.
Speaker 1: So this is a very intimate event. I spoke with
Speaker 1: Mike Gallen, criminal defense attorney from Ohio. Are you able
Speaker 1: to talk about the scenes themselves? You know, if you
Speaker 1: look at it and it's all from the autopsy reports,
Speaker 1: those kind of injuries leaves no doubt that this was
Speaker 1: an intentional or these all were intentional killings, kind of
Speaker 1: designed to send a message to someone. The muzzle mark
Speaker 1: sticks in my mind. You have to be obviously arms reach.
Speaker 1: I mean, you are locking eyes with the victim. It
Speaker 1: would seem does that paint any kind of picture or
Speaker 1: indicate to officers or attorneys anything. Sure it does, and
Speaker 1: maybe even closer than arm's length, I mean maybe just inches.
Speaker 1: It indicates to me at least, especially when you have
Speaker 1: the number of shots like that here, that somebody was
Speaker 1: trying to send a message. I don't think there can
Speaker 1: be any doubt about that. I mean, it was personal,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what that demonstrates. At this point,
Speaker 1: Bobby Josie's two people did by twelve gunshot wounds. While
Speaker 1: waiting desperately for police to arrive, she makes her way
Speaker 1: over to her nephew, Frankie's house. She wanted to get
Speaker 1: some help and to tell him what happened to his
Speaker 1: father and uncle, whose bodies she had just found. Frankie
Speaker 1: Rowden was Chris Senior and Dana's oldest son. The twenty
Speaker 1: year old was a father to two boys. Like his parents,
Speaker 1: Frankie was a hard worker. He loved fishing, hunting, and
Speaker 1: demolition derby, but nothing so much as his family and
Speaker 1: his fiance, nineteen year old Hannah Gilly. Hannah Gilly was
Speaker 1: on the homecoming court in high school, and at that
Speaker 1: time she told friends she planned to go to college
Speaker 1: get a business degree and open a daycare. Frankie and
Speaker 1: Hannah wanted a lot of kids. They had a bright future.
Speaker 1: The young family lived together just up the street from
Speaker 1: Chris Senior All on Union Hill Road. They were looking
Speaker 1: forward to getting married soon. So after Bobby Joe made
Speaker 1: the call to nine one one, she went to Frankie's
Speaker 1: house near right nearby, and the person who came to
Speaker 1: the door was Frankie's three year old son. As the
Speaker 1: police reports and newspaper reports showed, he was, you know,
Speaker 1: covered in blood, and he, like any three year old,
Speaker 1: sort of didn't fully understand what was going on. And
Speaker 1: he told his aunt that, you know, his father was
Speaker 1: playing zombie in the bedroom, and that's because the family
Speaker 1: were fans of The Walking Dead, so you know, he
Speaker 1: was in there with his father playing zombie, which is
Speaker 1: absolutely heartbreaking. Twenty year old Frankie Rodin was shot three
Speaker 1: Toms in the head miss he lay in bed next
Speaker 1: to his fiance and they're six months old. We talk
Speaker 1: about Hannah Gillie Hayes shot five Tom's she catches one
Speaker 1: in the eye. It poses this idea, why are you
Speaker 1: shooting these people in the face, what's the purpose? Of it,
Speaker 1: because not only shoot him in the face, you're shooting
Speaker 1: him multiple talked. What threat did she post? She's laying
Speaker 1: there was her child in the bed meanwhile, and this
Speaker 1: is all happening. Around eight am on April twenty second,
Speaker 1: Bobby Joe calls their brother James. She's in hysterics. There's
Speaker 1: now two murder scenes, four people dead, twenty gunshot wounds,
Speaker 1: two children left alive. At the scenes, James immediately goes
Speaker 1: over to a sister, Dana's house, to check on her
Speaker 1: and the remaining kids. Dana Rodin was a nurse known
Speaker 1: for her gregarious nature and loving smile. She'd met Chris
Speaker 1: Rudd Senior when she was just in high school and
Speaker 1: it was love at first sight. Even though they divorced
Speaker 1: twenty two years later, they remained very close together. The
Speaker 1: pair had three beautiful children, twenty year old Frankie, Hannah May,
Speaker 1: and little Chris. She's goodhearted, a lot of fun, you know,
Speaker 1: always laughing, cracking up. She was a very very good person.
Speaker 1: She sent me a text she slid my grand babies
Speaker 1: here and I said, well, congratulations, I said, she's beautiful.
Speaker 1: What did you What did Hannah May name her? She said,
Speaker 1: Kylie May, and I said, that's so pretty. And that
Speaker 1: was the last, you know, the last thing I ever
Speaker 1: heard from Dana. She again, like Chris Senior, was shot
Speaker 1: multiple times. And not only was she shot multiple times,
Speaker 1: but specifically reports have her having been shot five times,
Speaker 1: four times. Four Tom's in the head. Now, what in
Speaker 1: the hell would you shoot somebody four times in the head,
Speaker 1: because you know one should suffice. But the shooter took
Speaker 1: the top to take that muzzle of that weapon. Stick
Speaker 1: it beneath Dana's chin, stick it beneath her chia. This
Speaker 1: is a common location for suicide, all right, This is
Speaker 1: atypical for homicide. This particular April seemed extra special because
Speaker 1: hannahme had just given birth to her second daughter five
Speaker 1: days prior. Just weeks before that, Dana threw Hannah May
Speaker 1: a big baby shower at their new house. The pictures
Speaker 1: from the showers show what a happy celebration it was. Sadly, James,
Speaker 1: Dana's brother, was about to enter yet one more unimaginable scene.
Speaker 1: Dana and her nineteen year old daughter, Hannah May, were
Speaker 1: both dead. Hannah Rodin She was shot twice in the
Speaker 1: head as their newborn laid beside her. Maybe they're curled
Speaker 1: in a fetal posture along with her baby, just curled
Speaker 1: in a fetal posture. Mama was slowly stroking the head
Speaker 1: of the baby and try to, you know, calp suit
Speaker 1: the baby during the night. Maybe she awakes and breastfeeds
Speaker 1: the baby during the night while she's sleeping. It's a
Speaker 1: position and people are slept in for thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: of years. It's a position of comfort. You imagine you're
Speaker 1: laying there, you're there to protect your baby, and you're
Speaker 1: curled up on your side. There's an awareness. This brings
Speaker 1: us back to when Dana's son, the high school freshman
Speaker 1: Chris Junior, was nowhere to be found. It took detectives
Speaker 1: several hours to locate him, but finally little Chris was
Speaker 1: found in the home with his mother, Dana, and his
Speaker 1: sister Hannah. May sixteen year old Chris Junior was shot
Speaker 1: four times and looting twice in the top of his head.
Speaker 1: He was found wedged behind his bed, implying that he
Speaker 1: was trying to hide from the killer killers. There's now
Speaker 1: seven people dead, thirty one gunshot wounds, and three children
Speaker 1: left alive. At the scenes the once small and sleepy
Speaker 1: town became the epicenter for grizzly crime and the subsequent
Speaker 1: complex murder investigation. When it was all said and done,
Speaker 1: two families would be destroyed and the town would never
Speaker 1: be the same. For the quiet town, the scene was unreal.
Speaker 1: Nearly seven hours after the first bodies were found at
Speaker 1: one twenty six pm on April twenty second, a final
Speaker 1: fatal discovery. Yeah, I need it. He's been out to
Speaker 1: closet to seven nine nine lad Force. Uh, it's boldest stuff.
Speaker 1: It's on the news. I just found just sound my
Speaker 1: cousin was again shot wing. Okay it line so okay,
Speaker 1: I'm understand how by the very way going to the
Speaker 1: whole thing? Donald So done the whole thing? Sound yeah,
Speaker 1: I says, what do you mean, Rodyn Rody? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: care honey, out of the house. I'm I'm out of
Speaker 1: the house right now. I just went in hour day
Speaker 1: and he checked light and I looked to say he
Speaker 1: had again shot wind. Okay, We're gonna get that Nick
Speaker 1: down thirty okay, all right, chick Martin. A few miles
Speaker 1: down unionholl Road was Chris Roden Senior's brother. There, Kenneth
Speaker 1: the forty four year old was shot once through his
Speaker 1: right eye. Kenneth's cousin, Donald Stone, went to check on
Speaker 1: Kenneth after hearing about the murders of their six other
Speaker 1: family members. He'd failed to hear from Kenneth that day.
Speaker 1: What does it say that they would take the time
Speaker 1: and put themselves in a position where they could be
Speaker 1: face to face with Kenneth. He was found covered with
Speaker 1: dollar bills that were strewn about his body. He just God,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't, you can't make this up. By
Speaker 1: the time officials released the names of the eight victims
Speaker 1: piked In, residents were reeling. You know, they had snuck
Speaker 1: in in the night and committed this, these murders, and
Speaker 1: nobody had a clue about you know who or why,
Speaker 1: And that's really scary. We're going to take a break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a moment. There were rumors about
Speaker 1: who had done the crime everywhere online, in the coffee shops,
Speaker 1: amongst the police. I mean, everyone was talking about who
Speaker 1: could have done it and why they would have done it.
Speaker 1: Investigators believe that the murders were clearly premeditated, but the
Speaker 1: killing spree was so staggering and merseless. There were endless questions.
Speaker 1: One of the first things investigators studied where confrontations the
Speaker 1: roads had with locals in recent years. Could these conflicts
Speaker 1: have triggered a vendetta against the family. There was one
Speaker 1: concerning incident that had happened at a demolition derby. Based
Speaker 1: on what's been reported in the court documents, I think
Speaker 1: it's fair to say that Frankie and Chris Junior, I
Speaker 1: mean definitely were hotheads. It definitely got into fights here
Speaker 1: and there. They had an incident with a fellow named
Speaker 1: Tommy Gorman, who was a rival in the demolish Derby's.
Speaker 1: They got into a bit of a sort of heated
Speaker 1: match and there was a believe a sort of incident
Speaker 1: on the track. They got him to stay with each
Speaker 1: other's bad blood. And then again it's you know, kind
Speaker 1: of kicked up speed with Facebook posts about sort of
Speaker 1: consulting each other. And then of course Chris Junior Frankie
Speaker 1: drove over to Gorman's house and proceeded to really beat
Speaker 1: on Gorman and his father and they fights and meetings
Speaker 1: were only really broken up after the grandfather came out
Speaker 1: and pumped a few shotgun shells into the air. Chris
Speaker 1: Junior had also gotten into a scuffle with another local
Speaker 1: kid named Rusty mongol On. Goldhead posted on Facebook that
Speaker 1: Chris Janior hit him with a car and in his message,
Speaker 1: you know, he uses some pretty tough language. I mean,
Speaker 1: Rusty was nineteen at the time, and you know he's
Speaker 1: talking about I'm going to break his fucking legs and
Speaker 1: curb stop his ass and sort of nineteen year old bluster. Really,
Speaker 1: the Rusty Mungle thing happened just two weeks before the murders.
Speaker 1: But please scoured both of these leads, even taking DNA
Speaker 1: evidence of the suspects, they came up empty. An ominous
Speaker 1: feeling had spread throughout Pike County. He was investigative reporter
Speaker 1: Jodi Barr. You got eight members of one family targeted,
Speaker 1: murdered in their sleep, in their homes, and the killers
Speaker 1: seemingly vanished. We didn't know the pieces, We didn't know
Speaker 1: how to put it together. There was no information coming
Speaker 1: out about these murders, about motives. Even the family members
Speaker 1: who were in direct communication with law enforcement, even they
Speaker 1: weren't being told anything. I mean, it's called it good
Speaker 1: investigative work, and you hold your cards close to the chest.
Speaker 1: As an investigator. Maybe that's what it was, but from
Speaker 1: the outside looking in, it was almost like law enforcement
Speaker 1: didn't have a clue at that point in time. Led
Speaker 1: by an ambitious Sheriff Charles Reader, the ensuing investigation soon
Speaker 1: became the largest in Ohio's history. I've got a message
Speaker 1: for the killers. We will find you. The family and
Speaker 1: the victims will have justice one day. There are so
Speaker 1: many pieces that have to be put into place with this.
Speaker 1: You're leap frogging from this blood bath to another blood bath.
Speaker 1: One of the first major developments in the case came
Speaker 1: when Mike Dwine, then Ohio's Attorney General, announced that he
Speaker 1: believed the killings were planned and premeditated. He cited clear
Speaker 1: efforts taken by the shooter or shooters to remove any
Speaker 1: incriminating forensic evidence. The Attorney Channel Dwine at the time
Speaker 1: said it was a pretty sophisticated operation, and the people
Speaker 1: that carried it out, we're trying to do everything that
Speaker 1: they could to make sure that they didn't get caught.
Speaker 1: Attorney General Dwine and Sheriff Reader, they both said that
Speaker 1: the investigation was going to be a long one and
Speaker 1: a lengthy process, and Boyd sure has played out that way,
Speaker 1: an investigative task force of massive scope kicked into gear,
Speaker 1: led by the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation the BCI.
Speaker 1: More than two hundred and fifty one law enforcement officials
Speaker 1: were mobilized, including sheriffs from twenty five offices across Ohio.
Speaker 1: The FBI and the DA stepped in to provide technical
Speaker 1: expertise to Dwine's office. Solemn funerals were held for all
Speaker 1: the victims. For two years, not a single arrest was made.
Speaker 1: You lived in that area, man, it was hush hush.
Speaker 1: You were just kind of walking around looking over your
Speaker 1: shoulder at seeing with some of these people, not knowing
Speaker 1: you know, who could be next. Who did it? There
Speaker 1: was one very curious lead that investigators had unhearthed. At
Speaker 1: three of the crime scenes on Union Hill Road, police
Speaker 1: found a substantial marijuana grow operation, including a grow house
Speaker 1: harboring hundreds of cannabis plants. This grow operation on the
Speaker 1: Rodents property was clearly being cultivated for sale. It was
Speaker 1: also worth almost half a million dollars. The Rodents had
Speaker 1: a pretty sizable crop of marijuana plants on their property.
Speaker 1: You know, there were indications that they were involved in
Speaker 1: some drug deals and drug trade with marijuana. That obviously
Speaker 1: feeled even more speculation that these were outside operators, possibly
Speaker 1: was as a drug deal gone bad, or was somebody
Speaker 1: trying to take over their turf. All kinds of rumors
Speaker 1: started to slow after that disclosure. As the months swore on.
Speaker 1: No one's been arrested, no one charged, no people named
Speaker 1: the person's of interest, You really started to wonder, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe this drug cartail thing there was something too that
Speaker 1: they definitely knew how to kill people. You know, you're
Speaker 1: looking for signs of the drug cartail and then you
Speaker 1: find Kenneth Roden with what appeared to be a gunshot
Speaker 1: in the head, but that there were dollar bills or
Speaker 1: some sort of paper money spread around the body. Was
Speaker 1: that a sign? What did that mean? Could the Rodent's
Speaker 1: operation have motivated a cartel hit, a lethal battle over territory?
Speaker 1: It was a tenable idea. But over the next months,
Speaker 1: as the investigation dug deeper, an entire new set of
Speaker 1: possible culprits came into frame. The Wagner family, Angela Wagner
Speaker 1: forty eight years old, her husband Billy Wagner, forty seven,
Speaker 1: their two sons, George and Jake, both in their mid twenties,
Speaker 1: Angela's mother, Rita Newcombe, and the family matriarch, Frederica Wagner.
Speaker 1: Here's Jeff. The Wagners were a well known and well
Speaker 1: to do family in the Piketon area, and Frederico Wagner
Speaker 1: was at the helm of this. A self described entrepreneurs
Speaker 1: she owned properties Oliver Pike County that spanned over seventeen
Speaker 1: hundred acres and were valued at more than four million dollars.
Speaker 1: She had also founded two nonprofits, Lucasville Mission, a church
Speaker 1: that helps underprivileged children, and the Crystal Springs Home, a
Speaker 1: facility that provides services to developmentally disabled adults. As we've
Speaker 1: learned throughout the series, Frederica had her detractors as well
Speaker 1: as her supporters in the community. We probably need to
Speaker 1: clarify here. The Wagner seemed like a good, god fearing
Speaker 1: country family, but police were gathering heart evidence linking the
Speaker 1: Wagners to the crime, and the Wagners had had some
Speaker 1: tangles with law enforcement in the past. In two thousand
Speaker 1: in one, seemingly homespun mother Angela Wagner, along with Billy Wagner,
Speaker 1: were charged with him properly handling a firearm in twenty
Speaker 1: and twelve. They are both charged with receiving stolen property,
Speaker 1: a felony. Investigators discovered that in the months prior to
Speaker 1: the killings, the Wagners began making their own gun silencers.
Speaker 1: Police believe silencers were necessary to pull these killings off
Speaker 1: because they happened in such close proximity. Investigators also found
Speaker 1: that the Wagner family had bought ammunition, a magazine clip,
Speaker 1: a bug detector, and materials to build brass catchers. The
Speaker 1: brass catcher is a bag that hooks on the side
Speaker 1: of a firearm. It will catch spent cartridges, so every
Speaker 1: time you pull the trigger, a cartridges is ejected. And
Speaker 1: if you were really interested in not leaving anything behind,
Speaker 1: as far as holistic evidence, it sounds like a great story.
Speaker 1: This bag will collect the shell casing, so there's no
Speaker 1: left behind. The bug detector so purely that helped someone
Speaker 1: find Listening devices will sometimes create white moist a muffle
Speaker 1: sounds or discussion. Authority search to seventy one acre farm
Speaker 1: in Peebles that was once owned by Jake Wagner. Jake
Speaker 1: was victim Hanname Roden's former boyfriend. The pair shared a
Speaker 1: three year old child together, Jake and Hanname Rodin had
Speaker 1: parted bitterly and were fighting over custody. At the time
Speaker 1: of her murder. The vice was tightening around the Wagner family,
Speaker 1: and some speculate that the only way they felt they
Speaker 1: could escape it was to move four thousand miles away.
Speaker 1: They moved to Alaska, which raised even more suspicions. But
Speaker 1: then the very following month, law enforcement actually finally searches
Speaker 1: properties where the Wagners lived, so that was really the
Speaker 1: first public indication that the Wagners were possible suspects, if
Speaker 1: not people of interest. The Wagners made Keene, Alaska, their
Speaker 1: new home. It's a tiny town south of Anchorage. All
Speaker 1: the while they vehemently denied any wrongdoing. Jake's mother, Angela Wagner,
Speaker 1: said her husband, Billy Wagner, and victim Chris Roden Senior,
Speaker 1: were like brothers. She claimed that Billy would never harm Chris.
Speaker 1: Billy's mother, grandmother, Frederica Wagner, said the Wagners were quote
Speaker 1: a good Christian family and despite the speculation about the family,
Speaker 1: many in Pike County couldn't figure the Wagners from murderers.
Speaker 1: I read that and I had to laugh. I had
Speaker 1: to laugh so hard. Okay, So you have to remember
Speaker 1: that this was a very organized, brilliantly done execution. This
Speaker 1: is something that you wouldn't learn on a DVD with
Speaker 1: military background, Navy seals. I mean, whoever did it was
Speaker 1: was brilliant. They're professional. These people are not professional killers. Now.
Speaker 1: I think that is the common theme of this entire
Speaker 1: story about Pike County and about this road and massacre,
Speaker 1: is it seems just too far fetched out when you
Speaker 1: try to connect the dots through the histories of you know,
Speaker 1: how the Wagoners conducted their business, how they live their lives.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I have seen any reporting, any
Speaker 1: fact brought out about the Waggoners that would say, Yep,
Speaker 1: there you go, mass murderers. I think that is the
Speaker 1: draw that continues to keep people interested in this story,
Speaker 1: is that you would have never seen any of this coming.
Speaker 1: In the spring of twenty and eighteen, the Wagoners returned
Speaker 1: to the pikes In area to take care of Billy's
Speaker 1: aging father. The plan was to set up with care
Speaker 1: and then returned to Alaska, but things did not go
Speaker 1: as planned. If you seek about it, the Wagners were
Speaker 1: scott free, they went to Alaska. It could have took
Speaker 1: off and nobody could have ever seen them again ever,
Speaker 1: But they came back here. They came back now the
Speaker 1: way that I am, I would never do that. But
Speaker 1: if I had pulled something off like that and got
Speaker 1: away into that loan and went to Alaska, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm packing my ship and I'm hitting the woods, and
Speaker 1: nobody's ever going to see me again, I'm sure the
Speaker 1: hell I'm not going to come back. The only way
Speaker 1: I would come back is if I thought my ass
Speaker 1: would covered. With their investigation reaching a fever pitch, then
Speaker 1: Ohio Attorney General Mike Dwine and Pike County Sheriff Charlie
Speaker 1: Reader asked the public for information on the Wagner family.
Speaker 1: I hope that the unfortunate in this area apprehend each
Speaker 1: and everyone. These are peoples, these are monsters. Dwine said.
Speaker 1: He was quote laser focused on the Wagners, their business dealings, vehicles, firearms,
Speaker 1: and ammunition. Investigators had solid ballistic evidence connecting firearms using
Speaker 1: the homicide with guns believed to be owned by the Wagners.
Speaker 1: These included a twenty two caliber long rifle, a forty
Speaker 1: caliber handgun and a thirty caliber gun. They also recovered
Speaker 1: a homemade silencer at the bottom of a well on
Speaker 1: the Wagner's property. Well, good afternoon. We promised that the
Speaker 1: day would come when a rush would be made in
Speaker 1: the Pike County massacres today or is that today? In
Speaker 1: a series of arrests that sent shockwaves through the insulated community,
Speaker 1: six members of a local family, the Wagners, were taken
Speaker 1: into custody hands up all night. Forty seven year old
Speaker 1: Billy Wagner is the patriarch of the Wagner family and
Speaker 1: was arrested near Lexington, Kentucky, and a horse trailer that
Speaker 1: was pulled over. Your name, I'm Wagner. I'm Wagaba. Angela
Speaker 1: Wagner is Billy's wife and matriarch of the Wagner family.
Speaker 1: The forty eight year old was arrested at their home
Speaker 1: near Piked in Ohio. Go ahead, Angelo Wagner in car
Speaker 1: one Cope thirteen thirty one. Angela and Billy's two sons,
Speaker 1: George Wagner and Jake Wagner, were arrested together during a
Speaker 1: traffic stop. George was twenty seven and Jake was twenty six.
Speaker 1: Seventy six year old Fredrica Wagner, Billy Wagner's mother, was
Speaker 1: arrested at the family's horse farm, The Flying w Angela,
Speaker 1: Wagner's mother, sixty five year old Rita Joe Newcomb, was
Speaker 1: arrested at her home, while six members of the Wagner
Speaker 1: family were arrested and action with the crime. Billy, Angela, George,
Speaker 1: and Jake Wagner were charged with eight counts of aggravated murder.
Speaker 1: Details about the arrests of four people and the murders
Speaker 1: of eight members of the Rodent family. All the arrests
Speaker 1: happened within minutes of each other, and that tells me
Speaker 1: that the BCI, the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification, who
Speaker 1: was in charge of this investigation, they know what they're doing,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to make sure that they affected these
Speaker 1: arrests without any kind of problems or tipping anybody off,
Speaker 1: So they hit that thing down pretty tight. Six months later,
Speaker 1: four members of the Wagner family were indicted on charges
Speaker 1: of aggravated murder with death penalty specification for the murders. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: a Pike County grand jury and died four individuals for
Speaker 1: aggravated murder with death penalty, especially vacation for legilate committing
Speaker 1: this heartless, ruthless, cold blood murder. Did they do it?
Speaker 1: We want to know now, obviously everybody wants to know
Speaker 1: right now. And man, if they're cooperating, as this attorney says,
Speaker 1: they're giving over computers, a laptop, DNA, whatever it takes.
Speaker 1: You know, people who aren't experts in criminology, we look
Speaker 1: at that and go, well, man, that sounds like an
Speaker 1: innocent person. An innocent person will be doing that. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, there were the ballistics discoveries. Here's Bureau
Speaker 1: of Criminal Investigation agent Ryan Scheiderer testifying in court that
Speaker 1: shell casings found in the Wagner's property match the ones
Speaker 1: found at the Rodent's crime scenes. We recovered twenty two
Speaker 1: caliber shell cascenes. And where we recovered those which at
Speaker 1: two sixty Peterson Road, which was a property that was
Speaker 1: owned by George Wager and his brother Jake. And we're
Speaker 1: those Shall casings submitted to the lab for comparison to
Speaker 1: the Shall casings that had been recovered from both Frankie's
Speaker 1: and Dana's residences. Yes, and what was the opinion of
Speaker 1: the the weapon that fired the shell casings at two
Speaker 1: sixty fee ercon Road also fired the shell casings at
Speaker 1: Anna's and Dana's residence as well as Frankie and Hannah
Speaker 1: Gillis residence. So the same firearm had been fired on
Speaker 1: the same properties. Okay. So the exact same gun, not
Speaker 1: just the same type of gun, the same firearms okay.
Speaker 1: The indictment also includes a reference to a specific pair
Speaker 1: of boots that the Wagner family purchased at Walmart and
Speaker 1: allegedly war during the murders. The theory was that the
Speaker 1: Wagners were trying to frame Dana Roden's brother, James Fanley,
Speaker 1: who was known to add this make of boot. Sheriff
Speaker 1: Frieder said the Wagner's plan these killings for months, studying
Speaker 1: the rodents habits. He alleged that they then covered up
Speaker 1: the killings, including stealing the Rodan security footage and tampering
Speaker 1: with their phones. It seems a single minded cult like
Speaker 1: obsession drew these murders. So we've talked about the Wagoners
Speaker 1: and how insulated that family was, and you know, the
Speaker 1: word cult has been thrown around in reference to the family.
Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine a nuclear family of a mother
Speaker 1: father and two adult sons who started doing reconnaissance on
Speaker 1: the Rodent family, which by all accounts were as a
Speaker 1: family that they were close with, friendly within some ways,
Speaker 1: and months before the murders, allegedly the Wagners started to
Speaker 1: track their comings and goings. And the question is why
Speaker 1: would they do that? I mean, the only thing I
Speaker 1: can think of is that Angela Wagner was this obsessed
Speaker 1: mother who who not only wanted to control her son Jake,
Speaker 1: but also all the people in his life. By all accounts,
Speaker 1: it appears that the Rodens were being hunted by the
Speaker 1: Wagner family, and that's unbelievable when you really put it
Speaker 1: into context. The idea of a killer family sitting around
Speaker 1: the kitchen table holding murder meetings is impossible to imagine.
Speaker 1: What came into focus is that there was a raging
Speaker 1: custody dispute between Jake Wagner and his former girlfriend, Hannah
Speaker 1: may Roden over their three year old daughter that is
Speaker 1: speculated as the real motive behind these murders. They would
Speaker 1: travel back and forth between Hannah's mother's house and Jake's
Speaker 1: family's house, and they would live as a family for
Speaker 1: a few weeks at a time in each home and
Speaker 1: for everyone who knew them, They said that the couple
Speaker 1: was very happy. They were talking about marriage and building
Speaker 1: a life together until seemingly in March of twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: they broke up, and that's when Hannah started dating a
Speaker 1: new guy, a man named Charlie Gilly, and Jake was devastated.
Speaker 1: Jake was pressuring Hannah to sign over full custody, something
Speaker 1: she adamantly did not want to do so in the
Speaker 1: summer of twenty fifteen, when Hannah wrote in announced that
Speaker 1: she was pregnant with a new child, Jake Wagner was
Speaker 1: adamant that he was the dad of this kid, and
Speaker 1: he was desperate to prove it, so much so that
Speaker 1: he went to the hospital when the baby was born
Speaker 1: and checked for a Wagner family trait in the tow.
Speaker 1: And we know that just days after Hannah was murdered,
Speaker 1: the Wagner family filed for custody of not only Jake's
Speaker 1: three year old daughter, but also the newborn baby. So
Speaker 1: it's clear that this family had plans to raise both
Speaker 1: children as their own. As you'll hear in season three,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more contexts to Jake's relationship with Hannah
Speaker 1: and what his state of mind was around the murders
Speaker 1: and before the murders in terms of moving on and
Speaker 1: how he felt about her. The Wagners wanted custody over
Speaker 1: Jake and Hannah's child at all costs, but was that
Speaker 1: possibly enough to justify a wholescale slaughter of another family.
Speaker 1: It seemed Jake Wagner was highly distraught over having lost
Speaker 1: hannahme Roden here is an anonymous Wagner source. He was
Speaker 1: trying very hard to make sure that they got back together.
Speaker 1: He still wanted to be with her. He was trying
Speaker 1: to get get back with her, just everything that he could.
Speaker 1: On top of the breakup, Hannah was also allegedly withholding
Speaker 1: their daughter from Jake. There was a custody battle. Hannah
Speaker 1: wasn't allowing Jake to see her or any of the
Speaker 1: family to see her, and so it kind of just
Speaker 1: got out of hand at that point. It just set
Speaker 1: him off to the point where Jake, because he had
Speaker 1: made the comments a couple of times, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I had told a couple of people about them. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had made the comments, you know, that he were
Speaker 1: going to kill her, and he told her that, you know,
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to I'm gonna have to kill you.
Speaker 1: Like you're not going You're not gonna let me see
Speaker 1: the baby, then you know you're not gonna have her.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Jake, you can't say these things. Please
Speaker 1: just chill out. And of course, you know, nobody ever
Speaker 1: really thinks like, oh my god, he's actually going to
Speaker 1: He was just completely out of his mind. It really
Speaker 1: really upset him. The Wagners had allegedly orchestrated another ruthless
Speaker 1: custody battle once before. Jake's brother, George Wagner, had a
Speaker 1: child with a woman named Tabitha, and when they split up,
Speaker 1: Accusmaer George Wagner and his mother, Angela Wagner blocked Tabitha
Speaker 1: from seeing her son. Here's Tabitha's sister, Christina Tabby, like
Speaker 1: whenever she would try to reach out to George, like hey,
Speaker 1: can I come visit my son? And Angela would get
Speaker 1: on there and be like, oh, he's not your son anymore,
Speaker 1: would tell Tabbie like, oh, you might have gave Bertilin
Speaker 1: beyond his real mother because I take care of them,
Speaker 1: and all these just nasty things. At one point accused murderer,
Speaker 1: Angela Wagner even threatened Tabitha and ran out of town.
Speaker 1: Here's court testimony about the incident. Eventually there was a
Speaker 1: comment by Angela that she was going to kill Tabitha,
Speaker 1: so she fled to a gas station and ultimately never returned.
Speaker 1: And actually specifically she first hit on the property until
Speaker 1: nightfall and then and drove to a gas station and
Speaker 1: neither escape that way and never went back after that. Correct.
Speaker 1: And yet the idea that the Wagners would resolve a
Speaker 1: custody issue in such a ruthless fashion is confounding. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody would believe that a family could have
Speaker 1: put together such a tactical hit on another family that
Speaker 1: they had created life with. It's still too difficult to accept, it,
Speaker 1: too hard to believe. Let's stop here for another break.
Speaker 1: Before the killings, the Wagners were trying to coerce victim
Speaker 1: hannahme Roden, into signing forged documents seating custody of her
Speaker 1: daughter to Angela Wagner in the event of Hannah's death.
Speaker 1: The forged custody documents that have been discussed in this case.
Speaker 1: They were declaration documents, and it was stated in Rita
Speaker 1: Newcome's case because she was the one accused of charged
Speaker 1: with forgery or obstruction. It said that it was declarations
Speaker 1: for the children of Hannah Rodin, George the Fourth and
Speaker 1: Jake And so basically these documents designated a guardian should
Speaker 1: any of them die. And these documents had been signed
Speaker 1: and notarized nineteen days before the murders, and it designated
Speaker 1: the children go to Angela should any of them die.
Speaker 1: That's just one of those puzzle pieces that I felt
Speaker 1: like showed that Angela she may have been the driving
Speaker 1: force here since she was the one that had the
Speaker 1: Facebook message that's been referenced in court that showed that
Speaker 1: Hannah said they'd have to kill me first before I
Speaker 1: gave up my child, and she showed that message to Jake.
Speaker 1: This paper says if Hannah is to meet her demise,
Speaker 1: then Sophia should go to Jake. Correct. Okay, But if
Speaker 1: Jai meets his demise, then his child goes to his mom, correct,
Speaker 1: not to Hannah. Correct. Then, on April twenty first, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, on the five year anniversary of the murder,
Speaker 1: and in a case where nothing made sense, accused murderer
Speaker 1: Jake Wagner abruptly pled guilty to eight counts of aggravated murder, felony, conspiracy,
Speaker 1: unlawful possession of a dangerous ordinance, and tampering with evidence.
Speaker 1: The State of Ohio read as part of the guilty
Speaker 1: plead not to seek the death penalty for him or
Speaker 1: his father, mother, or older brother. Here's Stephanie speaking with
Speaker 1: reporter James Pilcher. Is it possible that Jake could say
Speaker 1: I was in a very controlling environment. My mother, Angela Wagner,
Speaker 1: controlled us, My father was a bully and said I
Speaker 1: had to do these things, and we were coerced into it.
Speaker 1: Is there any value in that even? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: entirely possible, and some of the reporting, that's what we've heard,
Speaker 1: Lee cal The other thing I will say is that
Speaker 1: maybe they're going after bigger game than Jake, and they
Speaker 1: figured we'll cut this deal. Now, he'll give us what
Speaker 1: we want and then we can go get the mom
Speaker 1: and the dad. But clearly they were going after the
Speaker 1: people who plotted it. This was not Jake's idea, right
Speaker 1: or at least not according to prosecutors. This was the
Speaker 1: family coming together. That's what the prosecutors are after is
Speaker 1: that okay? We get Jake to help us. We get
Speaker 1: Jake to plead out shows that this really did happen.
Speaker 1: Now we can go after the people who were actually
Speaker 1: planned it. Jake, who admitted to shooting five of the
Speaker 1: eight victims, agreed to cooperate with prosecutors and testify against
Speaker 1: his family members. He knows he will die in prison.
Speaker 1: Do you think Jake is lying about being personally responsible
Speaker 1: for five of the eight? I don't know what his
Speaker 1: incentive to lie about that is. I mean, is he
Speaker 1: that afraid of the death penalty? The economics of that
Speaker 1: equation just does not make sense to me. Where he
Speaker 1: would openly confess to murdering five people. Probably the worst
Speaker 1: act you could commit as a human is taking the
Speaker 1: life of another, and he did that five times over.
Speaker 1: I think we got a good idea of what happened here.
Speaker 1: The charges against Frederica Wagner were dismissed. She maintained her
Speaker 1: faith throughout the ordeal, even as her son accused murder
Speaker 1: of Billy Wagner and his family were charged with horrible crimes.
Speaker 1: Trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not
Speaker 1: to your own understanding, In all your ways, acknowledge him
Speaker 1: and he will direct her path. And as my attorney
Speaker 1: will tell you, it was dismissed because I was innocent.
Speaker 1: They had no evidence against me. I'd never lied about anything.
Speaker 1: The investigation had a snag when Sheriff Freeder was arrested
Speaker 1: on felony charges not related to the case. There had
Speaker 1: been criticism about how Sheriff Frieder handled evidence in the
Speaker 1: road massacre, but these new charges conflict of interest, theft
Speaker 1: in office, and tampering with evidence stripped him of his
Speaker 1: badge and office. I stand here before you today to
Speaker 1: take accountability through my actions, to accept responsibility for my conduct,
Speaker 1: I said Sheriff of Ohio. I should excuse me. Everything
Speaker 1: that I'd worked for professionally, in honorably for twenty five
Speaker 1: years was stripped to me, with nobody good playing but myself.
Speaker 1: If I could go back can changed it, I would
Speaker 1: a million times. This is not who I am. Never
Speaker 1: ever did I imagine myself on the defense side of
Speaker 1: this court route that I've spent twenty five years of
Speaker 1: my life in this county in law enforcement. I am
Speaker 1: a good person, made bad decisions and choices I have
Speaker 1: and I'm out pray that the court will find mercy
Speaker 1: on me. According to reports, Reader allegedly stole cash sees
Speaker 1: from drug arress to fund a gambling problem. He even
Speaker 1: blamed his gambling addiction on the stresses of investigating the
Speaker 1: Rodan killings. You know, now he's blaming his gambling habits
Speaker 1: on because what he's seen in the crime scenes have
Speaker 1: haunted him so much he couldn't sleep, so he would
Speaker 1: go gamble. One known Charlie for thirty years and he's
Speaker 1: been gambling way before this happened. And that's just to me,
Speaker 1: shows you his character. No, I'm I'm going to use
Speaker 1: the death of eight people to try to smooth over
Speaker 1: but I'm still a money off my county in gambling,
Speaker 1: and that is disgusting to me. You're talking about a
Speaker 1: guy who led the sheriff's office and who for a time,
Speaker 1: a moment in time when this first happened, these murders
Speaker 1: first happened, who was also leading that investigation until the
Speaker 1: state came in and took it over. You just sit
Speaker 1: back and go, man, let's see where this end is.
Speaker 1: I mean, Pike County has been a crazy ride so
Speaker 1: ever since the end of April of twenty sixteen, It
Speaker 1: has been an absolutely crazy half a decade there. But
Speaker 1: despite Sheriffrid's downfall, the Wagners, Billy, George, Jake, and Angela
Speaker 1: remain locked up. Jake's mother, Angela, father Billy, and brother
Speaker 1: George await their fate as Jake prepares to testify against them.
Speaker 1: The Wagners are facing three hundred and thirty two thousand
Speaker 1: files of evidence from the prosecution. Will the Wagners remain
Speaker 1: behind bars and what will Jake reveal about what happened
Speaker 1: that harrowing night in April twenty sixteen. He's done. The
Speaker 1: totality of information now known by the state, including the
Speaker 1: fourth right statements of the defendant, We have overwhelming evidence
Speaker 1: that the defendant and the three co defendant members of
Speaker 1: his family foreign fact responsible for planning and carrying out
Speaker 1: the homicide. Jay admitted it in the league evening hours
Speaker 1: of April twenty first, twenty sixteen into the early morning
Speaker 1: hours of Abl twenty seconds, twenty sixteen, is when they
Speaker 1: admitted these homicides. You think about staring into the eyes
Speaker 1: of your kin folks across the room as you're sitting
Speaker 1: in the dock there and you're looking at them straight
Speaker 1: in the eyes and people that you've spent Thanksgivings with Christmases.
Speaker 1: You know these moments throughout your life, and you're looking
Speaker 1: at them and you're potentially sending them to the proverbial
Speaker 1: gallows virtue, What you're going to say, will we figure
Speaker 1: out exactly what happened on the night of April twenty
Speaker 1: first in Piketon? I want to know exactly what happened
Speaker 1: that night? You know, how did they get in the homes?
Speaker 1: We know the end, We've got some idea what happened
Speaker 1: in the middle, But I think I want to know
Speaker 1: about the beginning. You know, was this truly about custody?
Speaker 1: You know? I would just like to know, you know
Speaker 1: exactly why from Jake Wagner, When did the switch flip
Speaker 1: to where the only resolution to whatever was going on
Speaker 1: between him and the Rodents at that point was to
Speaker 1: go and kill them all? It makes absolutely no sense.
Speaker 1: And was Angelo the mastermind behind it all? I think
Speaker 1: it was bil Angelo behind the scene, controlling I relearning
Speaker 1: one in a little public after. What will happen in
Speaker 1: the meantime is anyone's guess? Will there be another plea deal?
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see where this Case goes from
Speaker 1: here the piked In Massacre. Who knows? You never know
Speaker 1: where this is going next. This season, we have a
Speaker 1: much fuller picture of who the Wagner family was prior
Speaker 1: to this and how they became the monsters we now
Speaker 1: know them to be. We've really started to learn more
Speaker 1: about the Wagner family, not only the lives that they led,
Speaker 1: but also their motivations for the crimes they allegedly committed.
Speaker 1: Just when we thought it couldn't get any stranger or darker,
Speaker 1: it has. All will be revealed on Season three of
Speaker 1: The piked In Massacre. For more information in case photos,
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Speaker 1: episode was produced by Stephanie Leidecker, Jeff Shane, Chris Greeves,
Speaker 1: Alan Wheeter, and me Courtney Armstrong. Editing and sound design
Speaker 1: by Jeff Ta, music by Jared Aston, Audio mixing by
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