WEBVTT - How We Got Here- Seasons 1 & 2 Recap 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.920 Welcome to the piked and Massacre, a production of Katie 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:07.840 Studios and iHeartRadio. This special episode will recap our previous 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.000 seasons to get you up to date on the case 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:15.160 and mark your calendars because season three premiers May twenty fifth. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.000 Multiple people found dead in more than one location along 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.200 Union Hill Road in Piked In this morning, my two 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.760 PM investigators say they found eight people dead, seven adult 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.400 victims and a sixteen year old boy, all from the 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:32.640 Rodent family. Just a nightmare scenario, all of them shot 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:36.960 in the head execution style. They were trying to possibly 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:42.200 wipe out this entire family. It's absolutely shocking. I hope 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:46.520 that the infortune in this area apprehend eaching everyone. These 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.840 are people, these are monsters. This has been by far 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:54.400 the longest, most complex and labor intensive investigation the Ohio 0:00:54.400 --> 0:01:05.000 Attorney General's Office has ever undertaken. On your knee havendernderback. Yesterday, 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:09.360 a Pike County grand jury and died four individuals for 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:19.120 aggravated murder with death pality specifications for legilate committing this heartless, 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:26.480 ruthless murder. One family targeted, murdered in their sleep, and 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:31.440 the killers vanished. It's personal somebody was trying to send 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.800 a message. Everyone was talking about who could have done 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.640 it and why they would have done it. I want 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:42.240 to know exactly what happened that night. Thirty two gunshot wounds, 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:48.800 eight people dead, two families destroyed, one grizzly crime. What 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:54.840 will happen is anyone's guests. This is the Piked and 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.640 Massacre Seasons one and two recap How we got here. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:04.120 Courtney Armstrong a television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:08.440 Leidecker and Jeff Shane. Our journey started back in twenty 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.600 nineteen when we made a documentary about the crime, and 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.560 we've been covering the story ever since. I think I 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.800 speak for all of us. Would I say that from 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.560 then until now we have not been able to shake 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.080 it or get it out of our heads. I think 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.120 for me personally, the part of this case that continues 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.680 to haunt me is the fact that there were mothers 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.679 brutally murdered in front of their babies. What kind of 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.400 a monster would do that. We've had the benefit of 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:38.160 going to Pike County many times and have interviewed to date, 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:43.240 probably hundreds of people, whether that's local townspeople or experts 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.360 or family members to the victims and family members of 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:50.600 the accused. And one thing we can say, in a 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.400 small town like this, there's not a single person that 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:57.680 hasn't been affected by this hideous story. And there's not 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:59.720 a single person you can talk to on the street 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.840 that doesn't know somebody connected to it in a meaningful way. 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.880 Through all these conversations, we began to piece together and 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.520 what happened on that fateful night. As you'll learn in 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.959 the upcoming season three, there is still so much left 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:16.639 to unravel in the community. Here's piked In, Native barb. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.040 Piked In's considered a village, and it is just a 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:25.000 small little town that has a grocery store and a 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:29.480 pizza shop and gas stations, and there's a tire shop. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.280 People sit and talk at the gas station. Wherever they go, 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.200 people know each other and they just sit and talk. 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.400 You know, at the tire shop you're waiting for an 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.080 oil and oil change or whatever. You sit there and 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.080 chat with your neighbor or whoever happens to come in. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:48.680 You know somebody anywhere you go. But at some point, 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.480 out in the shadow of its Green Hills, the area 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:55.920 has an erie passed everybody thinks all the bad stuff 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.480 happens in the big cities, but the devil works at 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:02.800 it everywhere. County and beautiful. It's a beautiful place, but 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.240 there's a lot of dirty people here too. From the 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.760 side of our town. There's been a lot of murders 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:13.800 here that have not been solved. On April twenty first, 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:18.719 twenty sixteen, evil reared its face in Pike County in 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.159 the dead of night under cool, cloudy skies. Eight people 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:29.440 were brutally shot and killed in four separate homes. I'll 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.680 never forget that day. I'll never forget that day. I 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.359 had gone into the office at the high school to 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:40.159 pick Brittany up for an appointment. And when I walked in, 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.320 they had a TV on and everyone in there was 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.920 sitting with their mouths hanging open, and I was like, 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:53.520 what's going on in here? And the secretaries said, my god, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.320 there's been a shooting. They said six people were killed, 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.680 and she said, we are very worried because little Chris 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.440 Roden didn't show up today and we think he might 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:10.280 be one of them. Everyone was just in shock. So 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.520 a little Chris law enforcement because I couldn't find him. 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.720 There was some speculation early on that he might have 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:23.560 been involved. For the residence of piked In There was 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.680 little more than confusion at this point. People knew there 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.640 was a shooting and that Chris Roden Jr. A sixteen 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.800 year old freshman at Pikedon High was missing. Where was 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.960 the teen? It was at the home of Chris Roden 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:42.880 Senior that the nightmare began. Chris Roden Senior was known 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:47.200 to be a strong, hard working family man. He was, 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.000 you know, a great father. He was a good man, 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:51.960 just like the rest of the guys you know in 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:57.880 that family. He would do anything for anybody. Chrissenden and 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.240 Roden were married for twenty two years, and although they divorced, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.839 they remained close, So close that Chris Senior had recently 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.120 bought Dana a home on the same road he lived 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:12.640 on Union Hill Road. He did it so they could 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.920 stay close to their children. Chris Senior's cousin, Gary Roden, 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.400 was more like a brother to him and often stayed 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.400 at his place. Little Chris's aunt, Bobby Joe, who also 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.760 lived nearby, was the first to make the gruesome discovery 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.400 at seven forty nine am when she came to feed 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:51.919 the dogs. The patriarch of the family, Chris Rodin was dead. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.480 He looked like he'd been beaten to death. Chris's cousin, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:01.600 Gary Roden, who was staying with Chris, was also dead. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:07.159 What's the saying, christ were unting Harry rod and Frank 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.200 and Garry Roden star times in. It look like the 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.680 dad right there? Both good? I think the very sad. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.280 The iPhone has been to pop out. Okay, you're anybody 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.680 open of the house. I don't know us. Okay, the 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.120 door was awfull. We got here, but on her friends, 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.600 I'm here and her rating on the floor. Bobby, I 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.440 need to get out of the house and way done. Okay, 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:40.080 I'll started right now. Okay, just watch this. Three year 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.520 old Christopher Roden was the only one of the eight 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.400 family members who was shot somewhere other than the head, 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.280 and he had multiple gunshot wounds to the head. Torso 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:55.120 and Extremities Corner Distinguished Professor and Criminals forensic expert Joseph 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.240 Morgan tried to make sense of the Roden murders, starting 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:02.040 with father and family patriarch Chris Senior. Some of this 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.920 will be hard to hear, particularly if you're personally connected 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.880 to the tragedy, but it's important to understand the magnitude 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.800 of what happened that night. He was shot nine times. Now, 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.040 for me, as a forensic investigator, I would look at 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:19.240 that and I would deem that as overkill, And you know, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.640 why would somebody need to be shot nine times. They're 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.520 saying that there's evidence that he attempted or reacted at 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.160 least to the point where he raised his arm his 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:35.319 right form and it shattered one of the bones. When 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.800 you've got an individual that has gotten defensive loans, that 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.360 person has an awareness, so that goes to a level 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:51.199 of callousness that's roses to victim. Gary Rodin, Chris Senior's cousin, 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.280 was a beloved member of the family. By all accounts, 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.720 Gary and Chris Senior were very close. Gary just happened 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.440 to be at Chris's home that night. He was actually 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.199 from Kentucky, so you know, he didn't even live in 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.920 the area or the neighborhood, but you know, lived close 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.600 enough to where he was staying with Chris that evening. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.439 We do know that the shooter was very close to 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.839 Gary when they fired, because they talked about what is 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.280 referred to as a press contact events at wanted and 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.079 if our listeners will essentially take your index finger, okay, 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.480 and point it toward the palm of your hand and 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:30.599 extend the tip of your finger maybe I don't know, 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.079 probably about half an inch away from the surface of 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.360 your palm. That's kind of what we will refer to 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.719 as a contact moon. And what that means is that 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.959 you're going to have you know, the bullet's not the 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.280 only thing coming out of the end of the weapon. 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.520 You're going to have the fire that actually the ignition 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.240 of a bullet, and around you'll have this burning of 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.199 powder that's coming out. You'll have unburned powder that's coming out. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:10:03.199 So this is a very intimate event. I spoke with 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.880 Mike Gallen, criminal defense attorney from Ohio. Are you able 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:11.040 to talk about the scenes themselves? You know, if you 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.200 look at it and it's all from the autopsy reports, 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:19.280 those kind of injuries leaves no doubt that this was 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.360 an intentional or these all were intentional killings, kind of 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.840 designed to send a message to someone. The muzzle mark 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.920 sticks in my mind. You have to be obviously arms reach. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.520 I mean, you are locking eyes with the victim. It 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.640 would seem does that paint any kind of picture or 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:41.599 indicate to officers or attorneys anything. Sure it does, and 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.960 maybe even closer than arm's length, I mean maybe just inches. 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.959 It indicates to me at least, especially when you have 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.679 the number of shots like that here, that somebody was 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.800 trying to send a message. I don't think there can 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.679 be any doubt about that. I mean, it was personal, 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:06.120 and I think that's what that demonstrates. At this point, 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:10.680 Bobby Josie's two people did by twelve gunshot wounds. While 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.640 waiting desperately for police to arrive, she makes her way 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.760 over to her nephew, Frankie's house. She wanted to get 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.599 some help and to tell him what happened to his 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:24.720 father and uncle, whose bodies she had just found. Frankie 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.600 Rowden was Chris Senior and Dana's oldest son. The twenty 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:31.480 year old was a father to two boys. Like his parents, 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.480 Frankie was a hard worker. He loved fishing, hunting, and 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.719 demolition derby, but nothing so much as his family and 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.719 his fiance, nineteen year old Hannah Gilly. Hannah Gilly was 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.000 on the homecoming court in high school, and at that 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.640 time she told friends she planned to go to college 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.319 get a business degree and open a daycare. Frankie and 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:55.120 Hannah wanted a lot of kids. They had a bright future. 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.920 The young family lived together just up the street from 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.240 Chris Senior All on Union Hill Road. They were looking 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:08.679 forward to getting married soon. So after Bobby Joe made 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.800 the call to nine one one, she went to Frankie's 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.839 house near right nearby, and the person who came to 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.640 the door was Frankie's three year old son. As the 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.199 police reports and newspaper reports showed, he was, you know, 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.400 covered in blood, and he, like any three year old, 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:27.920 sort of didn't fully understand what was going on. And 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.280 he told his aunt that, you know, his father was 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.600 playing zombie in the bedroom, and that's because the family 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:39.199 were fans of The Walking Dead, so you know, he 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:45.640 was in there with his father playing zombie, which is 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:53.040 absolutely heartbreaking. Twenty year old Frankie Rodin was shot three 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.160 Toms in the head miss he lay in bed next 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.360 to his fiance and they're six months old. We talk 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:06.560 about Hannah Gillie Hayes shot five Tom's she catches one 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.559 in the eye. It poses this idea, why are you 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.679 shooting these people in the face, what's the purpose? Of it, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.679 because not only shoot him in the face, you're shooting 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.640 him multiple talked. What threat did she post? She's laying 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:26.880 there was her child in the bed meanwhile, and this 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.840 is all happening. Around eight am on April twenty second, 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.880 Bobby Joe calls their brother James. She's in hysterics. There's 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:39.080 now two murder scenes, four people dead, twenty gunshot wounds, 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:48.679 two children left alive. At the scenes, James immediately goes 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.880 over to a sister, Dana's house, to check on her 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:58.319 and the remaining kids. Dana Rodin was a nurse known 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.480 for her gregarious nature and loving smile. She'd met Chris 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.839 Rudd Senior when she was just in high school and 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.480 it was love at first sight. Even though they divorced 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:11.599 twenty two years later, they remained very close together. The 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.400 pair had three beautiful children, twenty year old Frankie, Hannah May, 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:20.520 and little Chris. She's goodhearted, a lot of fun, you know, 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.880 always laughing, cracking up. She was a very very good person. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.800 She sent me a text she slid my grand babies 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:33.080 here and I said, well, congratulations, I said, she's beautiful. 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.760 What did you What did Hannah May name her? She said, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.560 Kylie May, and I said, that's so pretty. And that 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.760 was the last, you know, the last thing I ever 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:48.640 heard from Dana. She again, like Chris Senior, was shot 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.720 multiple times. And not only was she shot multiple times, 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:58.200 but specifically reports have her having been shot five times, 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:04.640 four times. Four Tom's in the head. Now, what in 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.120 the hell would you shoot somebody four times in the head, 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:13.480 because you know one should suffice. But the shooter took 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.840 the top to take that muzzle of that weapon. Stick 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:22.920 it beneath Dana's chin, stick it beneath her chia. This 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:27.640 is a common location for suicide, all right, This is 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:38.600 atypical for homicide. This particular April seemed extra special because 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.200 hannahme had just given birth to her second daughter five 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.480 days prior. Just weeks before that, Dana threw Hannah May 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.440 a big baby shower at their new house. The pictures 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.720 from the showers show what a happy celebration it was. Sadly, James, 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.600 Dana's brother, was about to enter yet one more unimaginable scene. 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.240 Dana and her nineteen year old daughter, Hannah May, were 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:05.880 both dead. Hannah Rodin She was shot twice in the 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:10.960 head as their newborn laid beside her. Maybe they're curled 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.080 in a fetal posture along with her baby, just curled 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.200 in a fetal posture. Mama was slowly stroking the head 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.320 of the baby and try to, you know, calp suit 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.960 the baby during the night. Maybe she awakes and breastfeeds 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.960 the baby during the night while she's sleeping. It's a 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.680 position and people are slept in for thousands and thousands 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.960 of years. It's a position of comfort. You imagine you're 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.520 laying there, you're there to protect your baby, and you're 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:40.720 curled up on your side. There's an awareness. This brings 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.120 us back to when Dana's son, the high school freshman 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.680 Chris Junior, was nowhere to be found. It took detectives 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.120 several hours to locate him, but finally little Chris was 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.400 found in the home with his mother, Dana, and his 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:58.240 sister Hannah. May sixteen year old Chris Junior was shot 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.520 four times and looting twice in the top of his head. 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:08.080 He was found wedged behind his bed, implying that he 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:16.199 was trying to hide from the killer killers. There's now 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.760 seven people dead, thirty one gunshot wounds, and three children 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.919 left alive. At the scenes the once small and sleepy 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:28.320 town became the epicenter for grizzly crime and the subsequent 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.200 complex murder investigation. When it was all said and done, 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.639 two families would be destroyed and the town would never 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:41.679 be the same. For the quiet town, the scene was unreal. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.080 Nearly seven hours after the first bodies were found at 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.080 one twenty six pm on April twenty second, a final 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:56.760 fatal discovery. Yeah, I need it. He's been out to 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:03.040 closet to seven nine nine lad Force. Uh, it's boldest stuff. 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.520 It's on the news. I just found just sound my 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:15.240 cousin was again shot wing. Okay it line so okay, 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.520 I'm understand how by the very way going to the 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:24.920 whole thing? Donald So done the whole thing? Sound yeah, 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:34.040 I says, what do you mean, Rodyn Rody? Yeah, okay, 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.520 care honey, out of the house. I'm I'm out of 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.440 the house right now. I just went in hour day 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.680 and he checked light and I looked to say he 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.359 had again shot wind. Okay, We're gonna get that Nick 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:57.320 down thirty okay, all right, chick Martin. A few miles 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.520 down unionholl Road was Chris Roden Senior's brother. There, Kenneth 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.560 the forty four year old was shot once through his 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:09.920 right eye. Kenneth's cousin, Donald Stone, went to check on 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.960 Kenneth after hearing about the murders of their six other 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.440 family members. He'd failed to hear from Kenneth that day. 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.120 What does it say that they would take the time 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.440 and put themselves in a position where they could be 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:27.399 face to face with Kenneth. He was found covered with 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:32.520 dollar bills that were strewn about his body. He just God, 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:41.120 I mean, you can't, you can't make this up. By 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.520 the time officials released the names of the eight victims 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.640 piked In, residents were reeling. You know, they had snuck 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.119 in in the night and committed this, these murders, and 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:57.640 nobody had a clue about you know who or why, 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:04.040 And that's really scary. We're going to take a break. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:10.200 We'll be back in a moment. There were rumors about 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:15.440 who had done the crime everywhere online, in the coffee shops, 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.479 amongst the police. I mean, everyone was talking about who 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.280 could have done it and why they would have done it. 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:30.639 Investigators believe that the murders were clearly premeditated, but the 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:34.320 killing spree was so staggering and merseless. There were endless questions. 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.879 One of the first things investigators studied where confrontations the 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:43.200 roads had with locals in recent years. Could these conflicts 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:47.479 have triggered a vendetta against the family. There was one 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:54.280 concerning incident that had happened at a demolition derby. Based 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.959 on what's been reported in the court documents, I think 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.800 it's fair to say that Frankie and Chris Junior, I 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:04.880 mean definitely were hotheads. It definitely got into fights here 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.560 and there. They had an incident with a fellow named 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:13.240 Tommy Gorman, who was a rival in the demolish Derby's. 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.359 They got into a bit of a sort of heated 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.439 match and there was a believe a sort of incident 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:21.800 on the track. They got him to stay with each 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.360 other's bad blood. And then again it's you know, kind 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:28.840 of kicked up speed with Facebook posts about sort of 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:32.520 consulting each other. And then of course Chris Junior Frankie 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:37.720 drove over to Gorman's house and proceeded to really beat 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:42.760 on Gorman and his father and they fights and meetings 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:46.240 were only really broken up after the grandfather came out 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:52.680 and pumped a few shotgun shells into the air. Chris 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.080 Junior had also gotten into a scuffle with another local 0:21:56.200 --> 0:22:02.000 kid named Rusty mongol On. Goldhead posted on Facebook that 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:05.400 Chris Janior hit him with a car and in his message, 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:08.359 you know, he uses some pretty tough language. I mean, 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:10.640 Rusty was nineteen at the time, and you know he's 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:13.399 talking about I'm going to break his fucking legs and 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:17.560 curb stop his ass and sort of nineteen year old bluster. Really, 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.360 the Rusty Mungle thing happened just two weeks before the murders. 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:26.119 But please scoured both of these leads, even taking DNA 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:30.440 evidence of the suspects, they came up empty. An ominous 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:37.159 feeling had spread throughout Pike County. He was investigative reporter 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:41.439 Jodi Barr. You got eight members of one family targeted, 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:45.040 murdered in their sleep, in their homes, and the killers 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:50.320 seemingly vanished. We didn't know the pieces, We didn't know 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.920 how to put it together. There was no information coming 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:56.560 out about these murders, about motives. Even the family members 0:22:56.600 --> 0:23:00.159 who were in direct communication with law enforcement, even they 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:02.920 weren't being told anything. I mean, it's called it good 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.840 investigative work, and you hold your cards close to the chest. 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:08.920 As an investigator. Maybe that's what it was, but from 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:12.280 the outside looking in, it was almost like law enforcement 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:16.120 didn't have a clue at that point in time. Led 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:20.280 by an ambitious Sheriff Charles Reader, the ensuing investigation soon 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:23.719 became the largest in Ohio's history. I've got a message 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:27.359 for the killers. We will find you. The family and 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:32.600 the victims will have justice one day. There are so 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:35.399 many pieces that have to be put into place with this. 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:40.480 You're leap frogging from this blood bath to another blood bath. 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.360 One of the first major developments in the case came 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:47.800 when Mike Dwine, then Ohio's Attorney General, announced that he 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:51.720 believed the killings were planned and premeditated. He cited clear 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.960 efforts taken by the shooter or shooters to remove any 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:59.840 incriminating forensic evidence. The Attorney Channel Dwine at the time 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:03.160 said it was a pretty sophisticated operation, and the people 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.040 that carried it out, we're trying to do everything that 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:08.600 they could to make sure that they didn't get caught. 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.280 Attorney General Dwine and Sheriff Reader, they both said that 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.720 the investigation was going to be a long one and 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.240 a lengthy process, and Boyd sure has played out that way, 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:23.200 an investigative task force of massive scope kicked into gear, 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:27.840 led by the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation the BCI. 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:30.879 More than two hundred and fifty one law enforcement officials 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:35.000 were mobilized, including sheriffs from twenty five offices across Ohio. 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.000 The FBI and the DA stepped in to provide technical 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:43.760 expertise to Dwine's office. Solemn funerals were held for all 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:48.000 the victims. For two years, not a single arrest was made. 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.240 You lived in that area, man, it was hush hush. 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:53.919 You were just kind of walking around looking over your 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:57.200 shoulder at seeing with some of these people, not knowing 0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:02.080 you know, who could be next. Who did it? There 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:06.080 was one very curious lead that investigators had unhearthed. At 0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:08.480 three of the crime scenes on Union Hill Road, police 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:12.680 found a substantial marijuana grow operation, including a grow house 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:17.280 harboring hundreds of cannabis plants. This grow operation on the 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:21.240 Rodents property was clearly being cultivated for sale. It was 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:27.040 also worth almost half a million dollars. The Rodents had 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:30.520 a pretty sizable crop of marijuana plants on their property. 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:33.879 You know, there were indications that they were involved in 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:40.800 some drug deals and drug trade with marijuana. That obviously 0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:45.640 feeled even more speculation that these were outside operators, possibly 0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.240 was as a drug deal gone bad, or was somebody 0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:50.600 trying to take over their turf. All kinds of rumors 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:55.920 started to slow after that disclosure. As the months swore on. 0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:59.960 No one's been arrested, no one charged, no people named 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:04.960 the person's of interest, You really started to wonder, you know, 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:08.359 maybe this drug cartail thing there was something too that 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:15.280 they definitely knew how to kill people. You know, you're 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:18.840 looking for signs of the drug cartail and then you 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:22.600 find Kenneth Roden with what appeared to be a gunshot 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:26.320 in the head, but that there were dollar bills or 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:30.560 some sort of paper money spread around the body. Was 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:38.479 that a sign? What did that mean? Could the Rodent's 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:42.640 operation have motivated a cartel hit, a lethal battle over territory? 0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:47.920 It was a tenable idea. But over the next months, 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:51.440 as the investigation dug deeper, an entire new set of 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:58.080 possible culprits came into frame. The Wagner family, Angela Wagner 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:02.320 forty eight years old, her husband Billy Wagner, forty seven, 0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.760 their two sons, George and Jake, both in their mid twenties, 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:12.240 Angela's mother, Rita Newcombe, and the family matriarch, Frederica Wagner. 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.240 Here's Jeff. The Wagners were a well known and well 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:18.800 to do family in the Piketon area, and Frederico Wagner 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:21.600 was at the helm of this. A self described entrepreneurs 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.840 she owned properties Oliver Pike County that spanned over seventeen 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:27.600 hundred acres and were valued at more than four million dollars. 0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:31.480 She had also founded two nonprofits, Lucasville Mission, a church 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:34.800 that helps underprivileged children, and the Crystal Springs Home, a 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:39.440