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Speaker 1: Welcome once again every one of the Official Jets Podcast

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Speaker 1: powered by Amazon Web Services. And these very strange times

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Speaker 1: about the only way whether we can spend some time

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Speaker 1: with you is virtually and that's what we're here to

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Speaker 1: do today. Bobo Schusan and as always my partner Marty Lions. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll talk some football and we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: hopefully something for the next minutes or so to take

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Speaker 1: your mind off of what is going on in the world.

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Speaker 1: And boy do we want sports to return. Boy do

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Speaker 1: we want football to return. And Marty Lions you and

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Speaker 1: I know are at the top of the list of

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Speaker 1: wanting to get life back to normal and at some

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Speaker 1: point in the not to distant future see Jet fans

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Speaker 1: again in person. How you doing, I'm doing well, Bobby.

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Speaker 1: I hope that we get back to football. I hope

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Speaker 1: we get back to some sort of normal world. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we still want to give a shout out

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Speaker 1: to all those front liners working to protect us, the

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Speaker 1: doctors and nurses, the volunteers, and also a special uh

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Speaker 1: you know, thoughts and prayers have to go out to

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Speaker 1: Woodie and Chris Johnson. They just lost their mother who

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Speaker 1: was ninety nine and Mrs Johnson was just a sweetheart

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Speaker 1: of a lady. And I think Curtis Martin or Chad

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Speaker 1: Pennington said it earlier this week that she was the

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Speaker 1: first lady of the Jets, so h, I know you

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Speaker 1: and I enjoyed or visit with her on the sideline.

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Speaker 1: She was like a mother to us. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the days that we were out there and it was cold,

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Speaker 1: she'd always look at me and say, you know, Marty,

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Speaker 1: you gotta have a hat on. So she'll be dearly

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Speaker 1: missed by all. But our thoughts and prayers are with

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Speaker 1: the Johnson family. Yeah, Curtis put it perfectly. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what an amazing life that she lived. I remember talking

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Speaker 1: to Christopher about a year year and a half ago

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Speaker 1: and I asked, you know, how's she doing and he said, well,

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Speaker 1: she fell And I said how did she fall? And

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Speaker 1: he said, well, she was like trying to get a

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Speaker 1: And I said, isn't she like nineties something years on?

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Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, I mean, but that's that

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Speaker 1: was her. No, I don't want you to go get

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Speaker 1: you know, so you're right. I mean she she lived

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Speaker 1: an amazing life, um, but really had the spunk inside

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Speaker 1: her to live as long as she did. And you're right,

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Speaker 1: she was a true mom. I think too many more

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Speaker 1: than just her blood relatives in the Jet organization. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she really was and deliver a life to you know.

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Speaker 1: You know, if somebody slid a piece of paper in

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Speaker 1: front of me right now and said, hey, you know what,

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Speaker 1: you can live a normal, healthy life and be around

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Speaker 1: your family, to your you know what, I'm signing that

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Speaker 1: piece of paper right now, Bob, You're exactly right. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: all of our good thoughts and prayers to uh, to

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Speaker 1: all of the friends and of course the family um

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Speaker 1: of of Woody and Christopher Johnson um, because that was

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Speaker 1: sad news. That's a loss for the whole organization. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's no question, um. But the Jets, obviously Marty in

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Speaker 1: the draft gained and gained in a big way literally

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Speaker 1: Joe Douglas made a very clear statement when he first

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Speaker 1: got the job that he's an old offensive lineman and

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Speaker 1: to address the Jet offensive line. And boy, has he

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Speaker 1: ever addressed the Jet offensive line. What were your thoughts

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Speaker 1: Mackay Beckton was going to be a Jet? Well, you

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Speaker 1: know what, when you look at him, Bob at six

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Speaker 1: and he's got uh, he's got the body, he's got

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Speaker 1: the athletic tools. What worries me now is that with

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Speaker 1: the coronavirus, a lot of these players aren't allowed to

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's a totally different job description

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Speaker 1: ready to make the calls to the offensive line. If

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Speaker 1: Who's the biggest dude physically that you ever had to

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Speaker 1: it's just accepted that you're gonna be at least three

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Speaker 1: We have to figure out if you could go cover somebody. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know what I might have been able to cover

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Speaker 1: seen it. I wish you a naughty Lions here on

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Speaker 1: the Official Jets Podcast powered by Amazon Web Services. You know,

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Speaker 1: it is funny to think about it now if you

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Speaker 1: count Alex Lewis as a new player. Not granted, the

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Speaker 1: Jets brought him in last season, but he was a

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Speaker 1: Joe Douglas new acquisition. The five guys that will start

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Speaker 1: it looks like the schedule will be and everybody's gonna

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Speaker 1: your you know you're you're out of division opponents. Everybody

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Speaker 1: This might be one of those years where nine and

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Speaker 1: seven is good enough to win this division. It you

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Speaker 1: That might be the a f C East this year.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Bobby might be right, nine and seven

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Speaker 1: In my mind, even as a road player, how hard

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