1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Ron and an Ian telling me that we're not gonna 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: have internal combustion engines by five? How will we get there? 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: The how comes into mine, but I need any reaction 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: to to generate the one question. Come to generate that 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: kind of power? It can't be done. The Car Doctor, 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: what a terrific show you helped me out a number 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: of weeks back when we were working on doing a 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: radio replacement on this two thousand Chevrolet Suburban with about 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy five thousand miles on it. Welcome 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: to the radio home of Ron and Anian, the Car Doctor. 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: Since this is where car owners the world overturned to 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: call in. The garage doors are open, but I am 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: here to take your calls at eight five five six, 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: and now he is running. You know, just when you 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: thought it couldn't get any weirder, right, here comes October, 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: a month where we're gonna have two full moons. And 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: I could tell it was going to be a two 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: full moon to full moon month, or maybe a two 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: full month to full moon month. Week at the shop. 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: And here's the reason why October. Yeah, new mouth. I 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: have the a new mouth that will help me do 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: things on radio where sound is very important. Um. You know, 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: you can always tell how the beginning of how the 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: month's gonna go based on how the first one or 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: two days goes. And the first day of October, the 28 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: month with two full moons, Well, here's what happened. We 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: had three vehicles, all with more than one problem. And 30 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: I just want to talk about it because you know, 31 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: everybody says, well, is that all that's wrong with it? 32 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: Or is it only one thing? Or how often could 33 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: it be that it could have more than one particular problem. 34 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: First car up as an OH three Cadillac OH three 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: Cadillac Seville with a lean fault code. It had a 36 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: bunch of codes, a misfire lean fault condition. It really 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: didn't run well. It came to us from another shop 38 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: a long time ago. Customers showed up on our doorstep 39 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: and he said, you know, it's just hard for me 40 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: to get here. And I understand that, he said, but um, 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: he said, you know, he says, it's been about fifteen 42 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: years since you've seen me. Would you take the car 43 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: and look at it, and and I said, sure, Aaron, I'm 44 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not fussy. I don't care. A job's 45 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: a job. And um we looked at his O three 46 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: Cadillac and it had a lean fault code and misfires 47 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: and um, you know the most obvious thing. It was funny. 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: I lifted the hood, started getting into its scan codes, 49 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: the mantic puplimentary diagnosis, and there was a rushing sound 50 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: under the hood that you said, gee, where's the vacuum leek? 51 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: And I went over to the passenger side. I followed 52 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: the noise. I took my little bottle of propane and 53 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: started sniffing around. And I don't even need the propane. 54 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: The PCV two at the bottom of the intake manifold 55 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: on the passenger side had rotted away. It's just it's 56 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: where they collected over time. And this this, you know, 57 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: two thousand three, so what is it eighteen years old? Um? 58 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: You know, it just it just rotted the bottom of 59 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: the PCV tube. I said, Aaron, let's start here. Well, 60 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: we'll get a PCV two assembly on it. I don't 61 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: know that that's the only thing wrong with it. I 62 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: never count my chickens before their hats will start there 63 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: unfortunately or unfortunately for air, and I was right. There 64 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: was more than one problem. That got rid of the 65 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: massive vacuum leak, but it still didn't run smooth, and 66 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: fuel trims roll over the place and it would fall 67 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: apart under load if you put your foot in it, 68 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: and it just it became an issue. Went back, looked 69 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: at it again. Gee, fuel trim, Let's go at it 70 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: with more propane. Put some propane under the intake manifold. 71 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: I watched fuel trim come down and watched the idol 72 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: smooth at went around the air intake boot which is 73 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: on the other side of the intake manifold, and I 74 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: watched the idle speed come down and the fuel trims 75 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: come down. Gee, I've got two more problems. Took the 76 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: intake manifold off, big chunk of plastic. GM decided they 77 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: must have had a ban on plastictually they were trying 78 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: to get rid of it back in two thousand three, 79 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: because they put most of it under these intake manifolds. 80 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: And sure enough, there was an animal nest under the 81 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: intake and it had a nice little house there with 82 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: acorns nesting material. Um. A couple, a couple of copies 83 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: of magazines to sit and read and and um. It 84 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: had chewed its way through the bottom of the intake. 85 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: It had it had scratched a point through the bottom 86 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: of the intake that was actually leaking there. And also 87 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: the air intake. The rubber boot on the far side 88 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: had dry rotten and falling apart, which is what they 89 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: do now. The problem became where do you get parts from? 90 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: And that was that's a whole another conversation. Fortunately, Dormant 91 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: Products had it. They had an air intake boot. I 92 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: was able to get an original manifold out of GM. 93 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: Dorman didn't make that, and they've made they make them 94 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: for others. Though, and though we were able to get 95 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: that car down the road and straightened out three problems 96 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: one car, the next one up. It was just quite 97 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: the day. Two thousand eight, Volvo V seventy came in 98 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: with a vibration issue. I always I always think of 99 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: the beach boys, right, good vibrations, bad vibrations. This was 100 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: definitely bad vibrations. And you could see the one bottom 101 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: motor mount on the right side completely cracked and broken, 102 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: the top dog bone mount completely cracked and broken. Changed 103 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 1: the two obvious mounts made no difference whatsoever. I couldn't 104 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: find anything else wrong. I said, it's got to be 105 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: the third mount down under that you can't see on 106 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: the right side. Took it apart the rest of the 107 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: way and found that the mount without any load on it, 108 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: if you put it in a vice and pride on it, 109 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: you could actually get the mount to move. Change the mount, 110 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: solve the problem. Three mounts, one car, one problem. The 111 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: last one really had me scratched in my head. I said, gee, 112 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: what is that noise? A two thousand five Mustang g 113 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: T with a V eight and the customer had gone 114 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: away on a vacation, came back two weeks later, and 115 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: it had this high pitched, screeching noise that just it 116 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: just sounded horrible. And the whole front of the car 117 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: shook and vibrated, and gee, what happened here? And I 118 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: went through it, and I couldn't duplicate the condition. I 119 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: thought maybe the harmonic balancer was starting to split. I 120 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: chalked it, let the problem happen, and it didn't move. 121 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: The chalk marks were still lined up. And then I 122 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: realized I was looking in the wrong direction. I was 123 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: looking towards the front the engine. I happened to catch 124 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: out of the corner of my eye that the A 125 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: C compressor would come on and then it would try 126 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: to turn on the fan and the fan would just tweak, 127 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it would start. The racket, 128 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: shut the car off, got out of scan tool. This 129 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: is a whole another story, right, you talk about weird things. 130 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: UM started out with a snap On motus and went 131 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: in under special functions and try to make it. You know, 132 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: actually I want to actually the cooling fan. I'll tell 133 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: you this is We're back to this again. This is 134 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: why you need more than one scan tool and a 135 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: repair shop. Right, snap On wouldn't do it. I don't 136 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: know why. I couldn't figure that out at all. It 137 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: was just a fan control function, but it didn't have it. 138 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: Latest latest software update tool got out the launch and 139 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: the X four thirty one and it it had it 140 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: in there. I was able to run low and high 141 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: speed cooling fan. As a matter of fact, I was 142 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: able to prove that the low speed fan didn't work 143 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: at all and that the high speed fan was the 144 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: one making the noise. So this problem had to be 145 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 1: there for a while and the customer wasn't even aware 146 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: of it. They just they just the car ran a 147 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: little hotter this summer, and they never paid any attention 148 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: to it, I guess because they never went anywhere with 149 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: the pandemic, everybody was staying home. And put a two 150 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: speed cooling fan back in it, so now it had 151 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: two speeds, quiet, smooth work. Third car too particular problems. 152 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: And the point is, you know, it's not over till 153 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: it's over. You don't know until the car is fixed, 154 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: if that's all it is. There's no rule that says 155 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: that only one thing can go wrong. There's no rule 156 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: that says, you know, we can only have one particular 157 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: problem creating the problem. I had an email this week 158 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: from Brian and I we're not gonna put Brian on 159 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: air today because the problem ended up fixing itself. I 160 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to him about it here. I reached out, 161 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: but he wasn't around. Then he sent me an email 162 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: this morning on his late model GMC truck. The headlights 163 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: were out and you know we're he's talking about wiring 164 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: and looking at this, looking at that, and emailed me 165 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: this morning he said, Ron, you're not gonna believe it. 166 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: Both headlight bulbs burned out, And yeah, I believe it 167 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: because there's no rule that says and I've seen it 168 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: where maybe the low beam goes out on one side 169 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: you don't realize it in a short time later the 170 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: low beam goes out on the other side, or I've 171 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: seen it where it takes out both at the same time. 172 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: So all kinds of crazy things can happen in the 173 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: bottom line becomes when you're dealing with an automobile, it's 174 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: a mechanical electrode device or electro mechanical device, whichever way 175 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: you want to look at it. You don't know it's 176 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: over till it's over, and you don't know it's done 177 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: until it's fixed. And you've just got to take it 178 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: one step at a time. Hello and welcome. My name 179 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: is Ron and Any and a k a. The Car Doctor. 180 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm here at eight five zero zero. If you're new 181 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: to the Car Doctor family, you want to thank you 182 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: for stopping by. We know you've got a lot of 183 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: choices for radio and podcast and whatever which way you 184 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: spend your free time these days, and we're grateful to 185 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: have you here and glad to catch you among the 186 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: car Doctor family and the Car Doctor listeners, we've got 187 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: a full two hours forever. We're gonna start with the 188 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: first one now, but let's pull over and take a paise. 189 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna go talk to Dennis 190 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: or Maine about his two thousand twelve Toyota Tundra. Don't 191 00:08:54,840 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: go away, I'll be back right after this. Haven. What's 192 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: more fun than listening to Ron Andady in the Car 193 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: Doctor and getting that car fixed? Right? A five? Five 194 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: five zero nine zero zero. Give Ron a call. Now, 195 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: back to Ron. We almost didn't have a show there, Tom. 196 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: I was trying to get Lucy in the studio. She's 197 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: out wandering around, but she's in here now so we 198 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: can kind of move. So what you're saying is I 199 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: could have done the show and it would have been 200 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: a lot better. Well right, because everybody would have fallen asleep. 201 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,359 Speaker 1: America is kind of short on sleep now, you know. Um, 202 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: So there's just too much. There's too much preoccupying all 203 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: of us. Let's get over to Dennis in Maine. Twelve 204 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: Toyota tons of Dennis. Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir, 205 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: How can I help? Thank you much? My son's got 206 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: to twelve Tundra four point six eight takes zero twenties 207 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: and seven. It's got a hundred and fifty seven thousand 208 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: miles and it's stopping to use a little oil. Should 209 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: he switched to thirty because he's just gonna he's just 210 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: gonna mask the problem. How often has he been doing 211 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: oil changes? Real numbers? Has he really been doing every 212 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: five thousand? Or is it? Has he owned it since now? No, 213 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: he just bought the truck about four months ago. Changed 214 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: to oil once I came down for a visit and 215 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: it was two quarts low, So I don't know if 216 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 1: the truck is using that are the place where he 217 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: had it changed only put four quarts and you know that? 218 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: And I mean listen, if switching to five thirty solved 219 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: the problem on the on the eight year old hundred 220 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: sixty thousand mile truck, you could sit there and say, well, 221 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: what's wrong with that? The concern I have is, are 222 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: you're going to create other issues? I don't want to 223 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: just randomly change viscosity, especially going into winter where the 224 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: weather is colder and the oil is thicker. You know, 225 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 1: I don't want to start sounding like I'm promoting you 226 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: just just change viscosity. What I would do, is you 227 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: do you have a problem right, and because that's an 228 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: excellent point that the other place not fill the oil 229 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: level correctly. Did they underfill it and that's not uncommon 230 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: that happens, you know, or does he have an oil 231 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: consumption or is he leaking it? The leak is easy, 232 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: put it up in the air, look around if you 233 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: don't see any real heavy leaks, and two quarts over 234 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: over what sounds like a minimum time period. The entire 235 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: floor pan of the truck should be coated with oil, 236 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: so it would be russproof at this point. And then 237 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: if there's no leaks, and you know, we've got to say, yeah, 238 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: it's using it. If you and it wasn't underfilled, if 239 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: you want to try one oil change of five thirty 240 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: and see if that changes anything. But we're more likely 241 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: as the culprit here is and I see this on 242 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: Toyota is particularly when people run them to the manufacturer 243 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: time interval limit. You know they'll do oil changes at 244 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 1: the eight nine or ten thousand mile mark. When the 245 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: vehicles get older, the rings tend to get sticky in 246 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: the piston grooves, they get gummed up. The oil control 247 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: ring is stuck and it it just can and the 248 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: problem just multiplies and manifests itself. You can try different 249 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: top end cleaners. Uh you know, I've heard some people 250 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: having success doing that with specific top end cleaners to 251 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: try and free up rings, but usually by now they're 252 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: so cooked in there. You know, it's it's usually of 253 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: no hope. The only correct way to solve it is 254 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: to really go ahead and do it, you know, tear 255 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: the engine apart and um, you know, do rings, do 256 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: a rebuild and uh, you know, it's it's it's not 257 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: a good alternative. Now you know why the person sold 258 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: it to be honest, you know, and all likelihood you know, 259 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: provided that it wasn't you know, low level and and 260 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: and and so forth. So best answer I've got not 261 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: an uncommon thing. Toyota's tend to do that. Toyota is 262 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: a great vehicle. But if you're not really good about 263 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: oil changes in my experience, synthetic oil every five six 264 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: thousand miles. If you're the person that's running at eight 265 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: to ten, uh, you know, as that truck is, that 266 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: vehicle gets older, you're gonna see ring issues, You're gonna 267 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: see oil control issues. And it's most likely based on 268 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: piston ring problems. All right, sir, you're very welcome. Good 269 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: luck to you. Let's get on over and let's go 270 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: talk to Nancy and Vermont eighteen Subaru and some questions 271 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: on undercoating. Hi, Nancy Rondanini, and at your service, how 272 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: can I help good? What's going on? Well, I have 273 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: a two eighteen Forester living in Vermont. I'm interested in 274 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: getting your expertise on the proper undercoating rest busting for 275 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: the car. Okay, Um, what's sort of rustproofing undercoating manufacturers 276 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: that they have up there? What do they offer you? Well, 277 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: we have the ceramic one, okay, which is like a 278 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: wax one, and then we also have the fluid one, 279 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: which is an oil based. Well, so is this now 280 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: we're talking on the painter or on the undercarriage, the undercarriage, 281 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: the undercarriage. You know, I think the oil based one 282 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: is the one that's been around forever and ever. In 283 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: the ceramic one is ceramic one is something new. Uh, 284 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: you know, I have not had exposure to that. I 285 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: would be curious to see what the reviews are. Obviously 286 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: you're not the first person to use it, and you 287 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: know how does it hold up? Is it a one 288 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: time application or are you applying it on a continuous basis? 289 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: Do they say, I think you are supposed to do 290 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: it more often, you know, not just a one time thing. 291 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: But what I'm hearing more is the fluid is the 292 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: better way to go because it seems to get into 293 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: all of and cranies and so forth, and it does 294 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: a better job. And um to do it like every year, 295 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: pretty much every two years, especially where I live. So 296 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: they're probably what the ceramic is is probably a spray 297 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: on liquid, something along the lines of another product called 298 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: fluid film. I don't know if you're familiar with that. Now, 299 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: that's a direct spray on. Fluid film is something that 300 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: they use. We use in the shop as a matter 301 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: of fact, on the plow truck, on vehicles they're going 302 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: to be out in the bed. Whether the high salt 303 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: content high corrosive, it does wash off over time, and 304 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: you do do it once a year. Um. The the 305 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: advantages unlike undercoating, you're not you're not binding up break 306 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: lines and nuts and bolton. If you have to take 307 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: something apart at some future service point in the vehicle's life, 308 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: you can so you know, to me, there's an advantage 309 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: of fluid film that I'm not springing tar under the 310 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: undercarriage of the car, and if I ever have to 311 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: work on it, it makes it easier. Um. You know, 312 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: the downside is you've got to do it every year, now, 313 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: you know that being said, the other argument is, and 314 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: you know, I don't undercoade anything. I just I never 315 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: have alright, and I you know, maybe I'm in New Jersey. 316 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: It's not as bad as Vermont, but it's still considered 317 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: a rust belt state. And I will make sure after 318 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: every you know, snowstorm, every you know, out venturing out 319 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: that I make sure the undercarriage gets washed. And I 320 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: think that's a simple solution to UM. I kind of 321 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: like the you know, I I would sort of probably 322 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: go thinking about it if if the ceramic is more 323 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: like fluid film, I would I would probably stay with 324 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: that just because it's going to be less obtrusive if 325 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: you ever have to do any work on the vehicle 326 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: later on. And you know, the worst part is you're 327 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: going to be doing it every season. But if you're 328 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: aware of it, you're you're staying ahead of it and 329 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: you're staying on top of it. If you know what 330 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm hoping to do it. I said, it's 331 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: a two eighteen, and uh, I want to, you know, 332 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: try to maintain the car as much as I can, 333 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: and you know we do have it's hard to uh 334 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: I should say, you know, get the car wash. The 335 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: win your time a lot, right, you know, especially underneath 336 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: on the road and stuff like that. So I thought 337 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: I'd try to get ahead of the game and get 338 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: it done this fall. You know, there's there's there's a 339 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: lot to be said, you know, after a snow storm 340 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: and I realize you're in Vermont, and you know it 341 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: might it might snow for every other day up there 342 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: for the month of February. But to you know, when 343 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: maybe when you put it away and it's gonna be 344 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: away for a couple of days. If there's if if 345 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: you have the ability to take a hose and wash 346 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: out the inside of the wheel wells and just go 347 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: around the vehicle, you'll be amazed the amount of crud 348 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: that comes off and and you know, drips on the ground. 349 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: And you know that's a good start, uh, you know, 350 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: because it may not it's obviously it's not going to 351 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: the corrosive isn't going to rot the plastic wheel well 352 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: that cars have today, but it will get if you 353 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: get up and around the corner of the outer fenders 354 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: that you'll start to see the crud fall out of that. 355 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: And that's where it's gonna blister through over time. So 356 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, just I don't think, and I guess what 357 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: I'm really saying to Nancy is there's no substitute for 358 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: due diligence in bad weather. You know, you're you're, you're 359 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: just you've just got to get out there and and 360 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: and keep the car clean. And that's part of what 361 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: taking it to the car washer, doing it with a 362 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: hose does. Um, you know, But like as I said, 363 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: I like fluid film, uh, you know, very rare, while 364 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: I use undercoat. Years ago there was that argument about 365 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: using undercoating and doesn't hold moisture against the undercarriage of 366 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: the car. And I've seen that too. If it's not 367 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: applied properly, if the undercoat isn't a complete seal, some 368 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: moisture'll get behind it, get trapped, and then a whole 369 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: it there and that rots the floor pants. I vote 370 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: for the liquid stuff. Let me know what you decide. 371 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: Let me know how it works out for you, and 372 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: stay warm up there from way I'm running any in 373 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. We're back right after this. Welcome back 374 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: run Nating the Car Doctor. Hey, just a quick reminder. 375 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: We're getting to fall and fall driving, and you know 376 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: after fall comes winter and the cold that it brings, 377 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: and we want to make sure the cars road ready. 378 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: So get yourself out to orileyoto dot com. They've got 379 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 1: all sorts of information out there as far as had 380 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: a flush and fill cooling systems. They've got a bunch 381 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: of rebates sylvating the lightbulbs and some dollar savings on 382 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: things different anti freezes and coolings. But the point is 383 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: O'Riley Oto is out there rallyoto dot com. They wanted 384 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: to get ready for full driving season, and so do I. 385 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: So stay safe and be prepared to be a good scout. 386 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: Let's get on over and go talk to Is that Darris? 387 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: Do I have that right in Michigan? And some comments here? Yes? 388 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: Hey Darris, how are you welcome to the Car Doctor. 389 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm great, a long time caller. I really enjoy your program, 390 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: and I've all the auto people or car people that 391 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: run across I was to tell them a bunch of 392 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: program Thank you, sir, I appreciate it. What can I 393 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: do for him? Darris? Yes, yes, what can I do 394 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: for you? I got you? Yeah. Um, I've heard you 395 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: talk about in the past the kind of increasing complexity 396 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: of computers and automobiles and the challenges that that is 397 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: for preparing automobiles. And then um, which I you know, 398 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm not a mechanic, but I tend to agree. And 399 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: and I was listening to the presidential debate. Yes they 400 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: do yeah, um uh. And I was listening to the 401 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: presidents of debate and the president said something that kind 402 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: of um resonated with me, and I said, I gotta 403 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: call the Rhodomanian Show. And he was asked. He was 404 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: asked about the CAT suggesting lowering the cafe standards new saying, well, essentially, 405 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: the computers in the cars raised the cost of the 406 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: car for a marginal increase in fuel economy. And I 407 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: think that's sound, because there's such a thing as diminishing returns. 408 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: I mean, initially, you know, electronics and other devices improved 409 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: those things, reduced emissions, increased fuel economy. Um. But I 410 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: remember at the time, but at some point the you know, 411 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: the returns diminished. And I remember when this the Big 412 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: Three response to that, um that they were opposed to it. 413 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: And I think it's because it because why Derrish you 414 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: there all right? All right, Derrisk you can you hear me? 415 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: You're you're just about to make the point that I 416 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: was waiting to respond to brother. What was it? Okay, 417 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm kind of like hearing both of you who talked 418 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: at the same time. It's kind of confusing. Yeah, there's 419 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: only one of us talking. It's just me, Um, do 420 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: you have it? Yeah? Go ahead. So well, I think 421 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: that's just as it's to the advantage of the automobile 422 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 1: manufacturers to make the cars as expensive as they can. 423 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: I mean, don't care lunch they are, and it it 424 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: just seems to me it adds to the problem of electronics. 425 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: I think you said a few weeks ago you wondered 426 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: if thirty years from now, when we're trying to restore 427 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: the the popular cars today, if we're gonna be able 428 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: to because the availability electronics, Well we probably won't because 429 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, well there's you've got a couple of questions 430 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: buried in there there, so here let me respond. You know, 431 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: I think the Corvette or Hellcat Dodge of today. You know, 432 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: thirty years from now. You gotta remember Chrysler and GM 433 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: and Ford with their mustangs. They don't they don't make 434 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: parts anymore. They sub amount to vendors. So all the electronics, 435 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: all the circuit boards are manufactured by different vendors in 436 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: different part places in the world, not just the US. 437 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: So will those pieces be around in thirty years. I 438 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: don't know. Uh, you know, I don't think so. I 439 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna see it. It's not like, you know, 440 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: you can go restore a fifty seven Chevy or a 441 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: thirty two Ford and stick a different drive train in 442 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: it and make all your modifications. What will the hot 443 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: rod of the future look like. I don't even know 444 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: if that's gonna be an issue. The way the country 445 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: is headed, and you know, I based this on if 446 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: California goes all electric and thirty five the way they're 447 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: talking and the rest of the country follows suit, I 448 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna have gasoline to run hot rods. Uh. 449 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: You know, we'll probably have gasoline for the next fifty years, 450 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: and then they won't need it because everything I'll have 451 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: to have gone electric, you know, sooner or later the 452 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: horse didn't become the popular way of getting around. I 453 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: think there is a diminishing point of return. Uh. You know, 454 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: I'm no mathematicians and I'm no accountant, but I can 455 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: tell you from a mechanics perspective that they've made the 456 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: car so complicated now there are moments where it doesn't 457 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: pay to fix. I'll tell you a quick story. I'll 458 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: tell you a quick story. We had Ford Explorer in 459 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: the shop this week, and I like the Explorer. I 460 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: think the Explorer is a real solid vehicle. A twin 461 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: turbo V six not exactly my favorite drive train for 462 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: this exact problem, hundred ten thousand miles on it, the 463 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: oil feed line going to the rear turbo had started 464 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: to see boil. The line was going bad. It was 465 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: rusty on the outside and you could just see if 466 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: we put some die in it where it was starting 467 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: to see. To get to the bolt, the feed line 468 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: on the turbo was a T forty Torqus. The exhaust 469 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: manifold lay about on the on top of the bolt. 470 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: It was covered so you really couldn't get a straight 471 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: shot at it with your driver bit And then even 472 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: if you had gotten the bolt loose, I question, wouldn't 473 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: have been able to come up far enough without hitting 474 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: the manifold that you could get the line off. So 475 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: now you've got to take the turbo out. Now you've 476 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: got to take the turbo out of a seven or 477 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: eight year old vehicle, depending upon when it was put 478 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: in the service, with a hundred and ten thousand miles 479 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: on it, that has cooked the exhaust manifolds so from 480 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: the heat that they range in color from that purple 481 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: to that orange bright orange rust where you know it 482 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: got super hot. The point is all of this in 483 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: the interest of better fuel economy and emissions, to make 484 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: more power out of something smaller to get gas mileage. 485 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: All right, does it pay? We looked at the rest 486 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: of the oil feed lines. The two lines going to 487 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: the front turbo were badly rusted because they fed right 488 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: behind the radiator and that's where all the road, all 489 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: the road air or the the you know, the debris 490 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: as it passes through collects and rotted the lines. Environment 491 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: is death to these cars. So now you've got a 492 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: car that conservatively it's a couple of thousand dollars to 493 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: fix the turbo problem on a good day, right, it 494 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: needed four tires and four wheel breaks. It needed drive 495 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: line fluid. We wrote an estimate somewhere in the air 496 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: about taking taking taking some liberties, saying well, this might happen, 497 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: this is probably going to be a problem to and 498 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, just and and and sixtys is a little 499 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: bit on the conservative side with whatever liberties we took. 500 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: And I said to the customer, you're between six and 501 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: ten grand to bring this truck into some kind of shape. 502 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: So it led us to the next conversation, which you 503 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: know what that was, what color? What what color? What? What? 504 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: What color is the next truck going to be? And 505 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: that's that's what it was, right, that was you know 506 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: what color are you gonna go by? And you know 507 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: that the technology took that to the point of no return. 508 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: So yes, I think there is a diminishing point. I 509 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: think I think we have you know, probably Surpa asked 510 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: that I'm not really sure why emissions are set and 511 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: structured the way they are, and and and that being said, 512 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: I really think Los Angeles has a problem. I really 513 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: think New York City has a problem. I really think, 514 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, Chicago metropolitan areas have a problem with emissions. 515 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: I question, do they need to be all electric or 516 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: does a certain percentage of them need to be electric? 517 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: Do we need to convert vehicles that are out on 518 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: delivery postal service? You hold trucks the fleet services with 519 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: predictable mileage that we know they're gonna go thirty two 520 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: miles this way, twenty two miles that way, and so on, 521 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: that we can make those electric vehicles. Do we need 522 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: to be able to do? You know where we have 523 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: more people working from home? Of the pandemic has a 524 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: good side is that it's taught us not everybody needs 525 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: to be in the office. We don't need to commute 526 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: like we once did. But then the next problem is 527 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: gonna be like we're seeing in New Jersey. New Jersey 528 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: gas tax went up ten cents agall in October one. 529 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: Why because nobody driving. There wasn't enough driving going on, 530 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: they told us, and so therefore they needed to increase 531 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: the revenue. They're talking about increasing the tolls in New Jersey, 532 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: and I'm sure the rest of the country will follow 533 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: suit on their toll roads. Why not enough people are driving? 534 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: Now you know, it becomes it becomes a vicious cycle. 535 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: So what's gonna happen in California? In when we get 536 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: rid of a new gasoline vehicles, what will the price 537 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: of gasoline go to for the people that have internal 538 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: combustion engines because of the gas tax and gas taxes, 539 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: I understand it is one of the main contributors in 540 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: the country for different states to do the upkeeping, uh, 541 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, maintenance on the roads. So yeah, they just 542 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: increased it here in Michigan for that. So you know, 543 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: what's what's gonna happen. The question is nobody has the answer. 544 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: The bigger problem is we can't see down the road. 545 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: So interesting points Derris. It really is true. Where will 546 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: it lead us? I don't know. It's you know, it's 547 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: kind of like they said in Little Rascals, I don't 548 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: know where we're going, but we're on our way. You 549 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: take good care of brother, and thanks for being part 550 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: of the Car Doctor family. I'm Rondanini and we'll be 551 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: back right after this. Welcome back the Car Doctor here 552 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: at five zero nine zero zero. Let's get over and 553 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: talk to Angel in Illinois has some California car comments 554 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: and an A one Camaro issue. Angel. Welcome to the 555 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. How can I help? Actually, it's emmanual manual. 556 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: I only don't know what I only do what they right. 557 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: So how can I help your brother? Um? First off, 558 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: I have a two one Chevy Camaro with the three 559 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: V six in it. I know in these liftar issues. 560 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: As she said, No, it has liftar issues and needs 561 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: either lift or adjustments or lifters itself. We're I'm wondering 562 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: because if I'm going down the road a we'll foot 563 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: on the gas pedal. If I let off that gas pedal, 564 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: it should still have some momentum to at least coast, 565 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: and it doesn't even do that. It's just almost like 566 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: it loses momentum within a few seconds and just make 567 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: a dead stop. What makes you think it needs lifters? 568 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: It's got to happen, Okay, on the top end, any 569 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: any check engine light on? Yes, there is more fault 570 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: codes in there. I know that there's one for an 571 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: O two cent sor and a couple others. That's been 572 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: probably three or four years since I've had the check 573 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: into my ready. Okay, So your question to me is 574 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: what I'm wondering is that if I fixed the lifters 575 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: at least possibly pour some really strong fuel injector to 576 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: cleaner down there, do you think it might solve my issue, 577 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: or am I looking at bigger issues, you know down 578 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: the bottom or how many miles do you travel? You manuel, 579 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: how many miles are you travel in a year? On 580 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: that one, it probably gets maybe a thousand, okay, so 581 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't go far. So yeah, it doesn't right now 582 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: because I use my blazer mostly, okay, but it's probably 583 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: accumulated five or six thousand miles in the past three 584 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: or four years since the light has been on. Right, 585 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: So what you have to think about is, you know, 586 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: as I started the show today, there's no rule that 587 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: says only one problem and the concern becomes the check 588 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: engine light doesn't glow any brighter, you know, as as 589 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: problems and fault codes accumulate. So before I made any 590 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: assumptions or any changes or any lift or work or 591 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: valve adjustment or anything, I'd scan codes. I'd scan codes, 592 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: write them down, record them however you want to do it. 593 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: And then, you know, I don't even know if it 594 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: would pay to look at freeze frame data, which is 595 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: the video tape inside the computer of the situation, how 596 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: it occurred and when it occurred, because the information is 597 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: in there so long. You know, it's It's sort of 598 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: like God forbid you had a heart attack four years 599 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: ago when you went to the doctor today and say, 600 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: can you tell me what caused it? You know, the 601 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: residue of it is long gone, so I would clear 602 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: the codes, drive it what comes back, and start knocking 603 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: them off in some kind of logical sequence. You know, 604 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: is there a misfire fault here? Does you know where's 605 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: fuel trimp? Start looking at some of the critical numbers, 606 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: just like you were trying to solve that heart attack 607 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: from a couple of years ago. You know, you've got 608 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: to look at critical numbers and see does anything here 609 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: make sense? Uh? This, this could be a This could 610 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: be a a lifter, uh you know needs an adjustment issue. 611 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: This could be a lifter that's gone bad. This could 612 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: be a camshaft problem. You know how many miles around 613 00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: this car. So you know you've got to take everything 614 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: into consideration. And before you start pouring money into it, 615 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: you know you're kind of in a bad spot. At 616 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: the bottom of the ninth basis are loaded two outs 617 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: in your pitching. Now, you know, how do you throw 618 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: the next ball? And you know, do you try and 619 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,239 Speaker 1: get it across the plate? And how do you get 620 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: it across the plate, And that's that's part of the 621 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: problem you're up against letting things go long term like 622 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: that is that is a recipe for a bigger disaster. So, um, 623 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, let's leave it there, get the code scanned, 624 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: get it looked at, and then you can come back 625 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: and talk to us, and uh, we'll go from there. 626 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call of manual eight zero the car 627 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: doctors back right after this welcome back. We're on the 628 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: end of the car Doctor and uh, let's close it 629 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: out here. So my friend Tony, Um, I can't use 630 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: his last name for reasons that well, I can't use 631 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: his last name. He Tony like Tony is a big 632 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: contributor to the show, and he likes to he likes 633 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: to send me articles and um, this one comes to 634 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: us from Rock Auto and they're talking about the article 635 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,719 Speaker 1: talks about a new oil spec for g d I engines. 636 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: This year brought us a new spec for motor oil 637 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: ill SAC GF six A p I s P. One 638 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: of the goals of the new oil spec is to 639 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: reduce incidents of two problems g d I engines have 640 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: been experiencing. The g d I blast fuel into the 641 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: combustion chamber of high pressure. This leads less time for 642 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: the air and fuel to get together. The resulting air 643 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: fuel mixture burns unevenly, which generates a lot of soot. 644 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: Of the pitstons move up and down, the sit gets 645 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: mixed into the motor oil. The travels with the motor 646 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: oil through the engine and causes where the most noticeable 647 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: wear often occurs between pins and bushings that ald timing 648 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: chains together. That is true, I have seen an awful 649 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: lot of timing chain failures over the last couple of years, 650 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: and I would have to blame it directly on g 651 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: d I engines that are going along and the oil changes. 652 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: And it goes on to talk about how the computer 653 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: generates trouble code goes into limp and timing chain issues, 654 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: and thus the need for GF six related oil or 655 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: better soit control oil was del all. The second problem 656 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: that happens is something called l s P I you 657 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: know order repairs all about you know, abbreviations and spelling. 658 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: Low speed pre ignition, which is related to the uneven 659 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: burning of fuel in the air in the g d 660 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: I engines and specifically severe spark knock and things like that. 661 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: The article concludes these new oils, higher fuel injection pressures, 662 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: intake manifold ports coupled with g d I solve problems 663 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: on older engines and prevent them on newer ones. G 664 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: d I engine over owners may be able to help 665 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: the most by simply are you ready for this? You 666 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: wanna know what you can do to help prevent you know, 667 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: problems and the damage to your g d I fuel 668 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: injected engine. You want know what the biggest contributor is 669 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: going to be. Here's the statement. Simply changing their motor 670 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: oil more frequently and always using the correct oil instead 671 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: of waiting the longest light duty oil change interval, often 672 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: seven thousand plus miles. Change the oil closer to the 673 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: severe duty interval, often three thousand miles. You can check 674 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: the sea and specific vehicle engine uses g d I 675 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: by looking the info pages and part descriptions for the 676 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: engines fuel injectors found under the fuel air tab and 677 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: the rock outl dot Com catalog. So interesting stuff, right, 678 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: change the oil. It's just that simple. I'm modinating in 679 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: the car doctor reminding until the next time. Good mechanics 680 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: aren't expensive, they're priceless. Let's see you,