1 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Roan Ananian, I'm finding front of you. 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: These are the voyages of the Car Doctor. 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 3: It's five year mission to explore strange new worlds, to 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 3: seek out new life and new civilizations, to both of 5 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 3: the go when no one has gone before time. 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: Ran Anian thinking out loud, what is the value of 7 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: order repairing? And I'm just concerned about it because I 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: wonder how do you measure it? Fascinating but quite impossible. 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: The car Doctor, how do I trust the three plugs 10 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: that are in the back, I've got to take those out. 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: To take those out, I've got to take the intake 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: plunem walth if I'm taking the intake plenum wealth. I'm 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: changing the plugs because I don't know how old they are, 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: But four of the six plugs ended up being loose. 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 3: What he says is logical, and I do, in fact 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: agree with it. 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to the radio home of Ronananian, the car since 18 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners the world 19 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If 20 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 2: your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up the 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: phone and call in. 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: The garage doors are opening. My name is Ron anian, 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm a doctor, but I am here to take your 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,639 Speaker 1: calls at eight five five five six, ninety nine hundred 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: and now. 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: I'm a doctor, not a mechanic. 27 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 2: He running. 28 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty seven, Chevrolet came out with the Camaro. 29 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Neat little car, right, How many of you had one? 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: Three twenty seven powerglide, four barrel, simple basic, A good car, right, 31 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: just and it's evolved over the years. It just went 32 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: on and on and on, and now it's grown up 33 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: into what it is this generation currently out there. That 34 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: sixty seven Camaro was really kind of pretty easy to 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: work on. You you could fix it on the side 36 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: of the road with a variety of tools, utensils and 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: kinchin implements. It was really sort of a basic automobile, 38 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: and I think that was the selling point. 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: Right. 40 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: Cars were simpler in the sixties, for sure, but the 41 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: Camaro was at the pinnacle of it. It was what 42 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: we called the pony car. It had appeal, It appealed 43 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: to the youth market. It was affordable, and it was 44 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: fairly easy to work on. You could put a starter 45 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: in a Camaro all right in under a half hour 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: twenty minutes. It sure has changed. We had twenty sixteen 47 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: SS Camaro in the shop this week, six point two liter. 48 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: I guess their version of what we would call a 49 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: big block Camaro. The customer had just stopped for gas. 50 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: They went somewhere, they stopped for fuel, went to start it, 51 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: and he said, Ron, there was this big puff of 52 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: smoke that came out of the right side under the hood. 53 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: Like he said, it kind of reminded me of the 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz, you know, that moment when Dorothy looks 55 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: behind the curtain or when they see the Great Wizard 56 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: appear for the first time on the screen. This big 57 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: poof and he said in it smelled something burned. You 58 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: could tell something was h The sad part is when 59 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: this poor Camaro got stuck. It was a convertible. The 60 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: top was down and the convertible top no longer worked, 61 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: and the electric parking brake was stuck on. So they 62 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: kind of dragged it up onto the back of a 63 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: flatbed and towed it into the shop. You know, it 64 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: kind of made me look at the future right in 65 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: terms of made me think about cars with automatic electric 66 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: parking brakes when they automatically apply and then what happens 67 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: when the electrical system goes dead. What happens when you've 68 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: got a convertible and the tops down and it's going 69 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: to rain out, and just a lot of a lot 70 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: of dependent upon electric stuff working correctly. It's just amazing 71 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: how we've come so far, and I think in some 72 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: cases gone so wrong. So we looked at this Camaro 73 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: and you know, you could hear it. You'd push the 74 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: button on the dash and you'd hear this pop, sizzle 75 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: and crackle from under the right side of the engine. 76 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: And we put it up in the air head Danny 77 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: on in the car on the lift, and I listened 78 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: to it underneath and you can hear pop, sizzle, crack, 79 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: and I went, yeah, that's that's kind of a problem. 80 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: I think we have to sort of look at that 81 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: and see what we're going to do here, and yeah, 82 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: it's got to need a starter. At least. We've got 83 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: to get to whatever it is underneath that shield, which 84 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: was the starter. We've got to look and see. There 85 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: was one bulletin that sounded like it could apply. They 86 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: talk about problems with the wiring at the starter, blowing 87 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: the three hundred and fifty A fuse back at the 88 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: Brewer battery box in the trunk. The fuse was good, 89 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: and I didn't think so, but we always had that 90 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: in the back of our mind. But regardless, we've got 91 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: to start at the starter. We've got to, you know, 92 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: we've got to get a look at it. You know, 93 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: when you're run into a job you haven't done in 94 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: a while, or when you haven't done at all, you 95 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: always I always go to the labor guid I want 96 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: that refreshmer. I look at procedure, but procedure doesn't tell 97 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: me a lot. They'll tell me how to take it apart, 98 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 1: which you know, for the most part you can figure 99 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: out and you're heading a lot of cases. But I 100 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: want to see the time. I want to see what 101 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: kind of time they're predicting. That tells me what's really 102 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: what I'm really up against. When I saw little over 103 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: six hours to put a starter in a camaro, I 104 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: knew I was in for it because I said, this 105 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: is going to be where GM shines. And I said 106 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: to Danny, I said, you know what GM stands for, 107 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: and he said, no one is young eager to learn voice. 108 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: I said, GM giant mistakes, and here's where you're going 109 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: to see it. To put a starter in a twenty 110 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: sixteen Camaro and all Camaros that generation. You have to 111 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: pull the catalytic converter on the right side. You have 112 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: to pull the radiator serge tank. It's nice if you 113 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: can get the heater hoses out of the way, which, 114 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: by the way, run over the top of the exhaust manifold. 115 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: So the rubber hoses, they're not melted, but they're sort 116 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: of sticky stuck to the plastic nipples on the heater core, 117 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: and if you pull on them too hard you'll break 118 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: the heater nipples off. So you want to be gentle 119 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: because it's a very soft aluminum heater cord. It's not 120 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: the most durable. We ended up taking the clamps off 121 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: and slitting the hoses and we're putting new hoses on 122 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: it Monday when we finished the job. And then you 123 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: have to take the exhaust manifold out. 124 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: Now. 125 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 1: To add insult to injury, the LS series GM engines, 126 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: they're exhaust manifold bolts. They've been a problem over the years, 127 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: and I don't know if GM's gotten it right yet. 128 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: In order to get the bolts out, because they put 129 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: some sort of a threadlock and compound on the bolts. 130 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: I guess they're afraid they're going to fall off or something. 131 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: And we had to use our inductive heater and inductive 132 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: heat at each bolt, and you know, just get them 133 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: to where they sort of sizzle and crackle. 134 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: On their own. 135 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: And pulled the bolt out and pulled the manifold off, 136 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: and now you can see the starter, and then you 137 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: can see that the copper braid running from the starter 138 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: solinoid down to what would be the starter motor is burnt. 139 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: It's fried. You know, it's just done. And you think 140 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: to yourself, what if this was a ten year old car. 141 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: This is a seven year old car with thirty six 142 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: thousand miles on it? What if this was a ten 143 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: year old car with one hundred thousand miles on it? 144 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty thousand miles on it? Because I 145 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: always looked further. You know what if it was an 146 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: everyday use vehicle? Would it hold up? How easily would 147 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: it come apart? Could you get it apart? Creating the 148 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: very ad dish, very definition of throwaway cars simply by 149 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: making it more difficult to repair them. And I think 150 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: we are so on one hand, and this is what really, 151 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, you start to think about this, it's like 152 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: twilight zone stupidity. We're trying to clean up the environment 153 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: and emissions and make the world a cleaner, better place environmentally, 154 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: but we're designing cars that are so difficult to work on, 155 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: or so often go down the path of cannot be 156 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: repaired easily or economically. You throw the car away, and 157 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't justify that. I can't justify that 158 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: in my mind. That doesn't make any sense to me 159 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: in my mind, because it takes an awful lot. You know, 160 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: if you want to measure carbon footprints, it's it's this 161 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: carbon footprint ruler that they use. It can't be a 162 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: small one to manufacture an automobile. All the requirements and 163 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: all the things that the environment has to go through, 164 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: and all the hits that it takes in order to 165 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: produce that one car, and yet we'll throw it away 166 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: at the drop of a hat. I've got another customer 167 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: in the shop this week with a twenty sixteen suburban 168 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: two hundred and ten thousand miles on it, and I 169 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: give Brian a lot of credit. He bought the car 170 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: from a cousin up in Michigan. He brought it down 171 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: he said, Ron, I want you to fix this. It's 172 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: got a cold start misfire, and I don't plan on 173 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: buying a new suburban. I want to make this one 174 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: work because otherwise it's in good shape. 175 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: And it is. 176 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: It's in pretty good shape for really a two hundred 177 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: thousand mile seven year old vehicle. Starter's easier to do. 178 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: I happened to look at that, and it made me 179 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: realize how much I'd rather work on the suburban than 180 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: the Camaro. And my point becomes that cars can run 181 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: in perpetuity. I think they can. I think it's a 182 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: matter of parts. I think it's obviously it's a matter 183 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: of intelligent mechanics, which I know is in short supply 184 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: because you know there's a lot of posers out there. 185 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: But it's going to come down to parts. It's going 186 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: to come down on two patients. It's going to come 187 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: down to because the cost to replace either that suburban 188 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: is one hundred grand now and the cost to replace 189 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: that Camaro is sixty five thousand now. And you know, 190 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: the conversation isn't about gee, are either one of them? 191 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: Pres No, I'm just saying replacement value. So get ready 192 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: because you're about to go on mister Toad's wild ride. 193 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: You're going to be spending more to fix the car, 194 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: You're going to be spending more to buy the car. 195 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: You just want to be sure that whatever you're spending, 196 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: you're spending it correctly. And if you're fixing it, you 197 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: want to make sure you've got good, solid information. And 198 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: that's what brought you here in the first place. Hello 199 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: and welcome. I'm glad to have you here with me 200 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: this hour, and I look forward to our conversational exchange 201 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: at eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 202 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: By the way, that Camaro just so impressed me in 203 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: terms of stupidity. We actually shot a little video of 204 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: it short, it's about a minute and a half. It's 205 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: up on YouTube. It's up on the Car Doctor Facebook page, 206 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, and it's it's we didn't 207 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: go into too much detail, and then we showed you 208 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: how buried it is on the right side, and you'll 209 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: get a really you know, it's kind of like looking 210 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: down the Grand Canyon at a donkey. Right at the 211 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: bottom of the canyon. You just kind of tunnel vision 212 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: right down and you go, holy smokes, there's the starter. 213 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 4: That engine compartment looked awfully empty. 214 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's empty now because it's all spread out 215 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: on the bench in front of it. Tom, and you know, 216 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what, this isn't the only place 217 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: where GM made the mistake. The day before, maybe Danny 218 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: and I invoked the spirit, the spiritual karma of starter 219 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: replacement gods, because the day before we serviced a customer's 220 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen Chevy Colorado rear wheel drive with a V 221 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: six and I was walking past him going up to 222 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: the office for something, and he was doing the service 223 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: and he said, hey, come here, look where the starter is. 224 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: And I looked up and I never realized it because 225 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: we're just starting to see these vehicles in abundance now. 226 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: But to replace the starter on a V six Colorado, 227 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: you've got to take out the left the motormount. I 228 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: mean out, there's no it's got to be out. There's 229 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: just no way you're going to get to the starter 230 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: or get it out of the vehicle. And the really 231 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: amazingly stupid part is they've got steel bolts going into 232 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: aluminum brackets. And you know, at one hundred thousand miles 233 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: after a couple of winters in Jersey, roads or high 234 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: rust area roads. You know how those bolts are not 235 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: going to come out and just fight you every step 236 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: of the way. And if it's a four wheel drive, 237 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: because it was nice, we sort of had a big 238 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: open view of where the differential wasn't upfront. I think 239 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: you have to take the differential out too, So I 240 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: looked up book time on that. That's six and a 241 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: half hours, five point nine if it doesn't have if 242 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't have four wheel drive, which I you know, 243 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: either way it's a day's labor. So if you start 244 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: to calculate labor rates, which I know we're not supposed 245 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: to do so we will. You know, if you imagine 246 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: the labor rate of a current shop on average is 247 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: probably between one hundred and twenty five and one hundred 248 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: and fifty bucks an hour. Six hours at a buck 249 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: and a half, is that nine hundre of dollars. I 250 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: was talking to a friend of mine at a Chevy 251 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: dealership the other day and I was stunned, and we 252 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: were He had a question about a couple of things, 253 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: and I was telling him about my Starter experiences this week, 254 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: and somehow we got on the subject of labor rates, 255 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: and one of the local Chevy dealers around US is 256 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: planning to go from I think their current labor rate, 257 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: he said, is going to go this week coming to 258 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: two hundred and forty dollars an hour to work on 259 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: a Chevrolet. It's not a Ferrari, it's a Chevrolet. And 260 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: by the end of the year, the new owners want 261 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: to get it up to three hundred dollars an hour 262 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: two ninety nine for working on a Chevrolet. Does that 263 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: mean if you go in and I said this to 264 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: myself last night, I was thinking about this, if you 265 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: get a bad replacement for fifteen minutes, is it fifteen 266 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: minutes of three hundred? Is it seventy five bucks to 267 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: get a tail like ball replaced? A five five five 268 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: six zero nine nine zero zero. I'm running any of 269 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: the car doctor, come on back, we'll talk about it. 270 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: I'll return right after this. 271 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 4: Whether it's a little red Corvette or you go. You've 272 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 4: come to the right place to get that car fixed. 273 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 4: Ron An ay in the car doctor eight five five 274 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 4: five six zero nine nine zero zero. 275 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: Now back to ron Hey, let's get over to Dale 276 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: in Virginia. Eighty four Cadillac Eldorado and a forty one hundred, dal, 277 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor. How can I help? 278 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 5: Well, it's like this, all right, all right, whenever you 279 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 5: drive it, after forty five minutes to an r come 280 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 5: to a stoplight or stop signed, don't matter which, the 281 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 5: motor revs up to about twenty five hundred maybe three 282 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 5: thousand RPMs, and the only way you can get it down 283 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 5: is put up neutral, put your foot on a celebrator, 284 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 5: press it all the way down quickly, and top it 285 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 5: and then the aisle goes down and you're good until 286 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 5: you come to another stop or or stop light or 287 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 5: stop sign. What the heck is causing that? 288 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about this. This is an eighty 289 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: four El Dorado with a forty one Caddy motor correct 290 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: the four point one right, So the good point, the 291 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: good news is if you can find service information for 292 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: this vehicle, you can actually diagnose this right through the 293 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: air conditioning control head there is Those cars have built 294 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: in diagnostics, and I believe it was. It's sort of 295 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: like a scene that was in Top Gun Maverick when 296 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: he sat in the plenty when it's going to be 297 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: a minute map. If I remember correctly, it's off warmer 298 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: and AC button and if you hold it down, you'll 299 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: put the vehicle into self diagnostics. The only the only 300 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: thing you want to make sure of is from there. 301 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: And this is where if you have information in front 302 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: of you, you can actually scroll through and read any fault 303 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: codes and you can actually diagnose and specifically look at 304 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: things like the idle speed control motor that has this 305 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: is a this is a dual throat, dual injected throttle 306 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: body system. Okay, and to the side, to the side 307 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: of the throttle lever, they have an idle speed control 308 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: It's that funny looking, big bulky motor with the I 309 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: think it's a five wire harness or an eight wire harness, 310 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: depending upon emissions, with a bolt head sticking out. The 311 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: bolt head has notches in it. You look at it 312 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: and you go, gee, doesn't look like any bolt I remember. 313 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: There's no hex it's just cut notches in it. And 314 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: that was GM's way of controlling RPM. Why did our 315 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: PM change on these, Well, there was a variety of reasons. 316 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: The first, in the simplest, is that the idle speed 317 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: control motor, the ISC as we used to call it, 318 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: has a bad nose switch no switch, meaning that if 319 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: you were able to go in through control head diagnostics 320 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: through the AC control head. Like I said, one of 321 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: the LED's little yellow lights that you see when you 322 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: use it as AC will function as a nose switch indicator. 323 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: When you open the throttle, that yellow light will go out. 324 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: When you allow the throttle to close, that yellow light 325 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: will come on. It's just a little contact plunger telling it, hey, 326 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: the nose switches closed. If the PCM, if the engine 327 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: controller loses track of no switch or idle position, all right, 328 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: it sees and I have to add another sensor here. 329 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: It sees the throttle position sensor go back to under 330 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: a volt, but it doesn't see the nose switch. All right. 331 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: It says, wait a minute, I don't know where Dale's 332 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: foot is. I'm not sure what's going on. I'm just 333 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: going to raise the idol just to make sure he 334 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: doesn't stall. It gets confused. So idle speed control motors 335 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: were common. No switch failure was a common cause of replacement. 336 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: You can't just replace the switch. You end up replacing 337 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: the motor. If you can find a good quality motor, 338 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: and that's going to be the next difficult task, all right. 339 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: Then the next thing is going to be that you've 340 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: got to get it adjusted all right, And there was 341 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: a very specific procedure. It was if you push down 342 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: on the bolt head all right, and you can try 343 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: this all right, just to just to see where you are. 344 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: Keon engine off, take the air cleaner off, open the 345 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: throttle all the way, engines off right, keon engine off. 346 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: Pushed down on the bolt head. When you push down 347 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: on the bolt head, you are gonna you are gonna 348 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: trip the nose switch and you should see the idle 349 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: speed motor retract. You'll and it'll go slow. It's nothing 350 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: happened fast in nineteen eighty four. You're gonna see boom 351 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: boom boom boom boom boop. It just slowly retracts. I'm 352 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: pretty sure it worked. Keon engine off. You might have 353 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: to do it at idle, in which case, just do 354 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: it at idle. Just push your finger onto the bolt 355 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: head and it should retract and it will go down 356 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: to and take you to the point of base idle. 357 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: Base idle was the moment where the throttle plate was 358 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: resting against its stop but not completely closed, causing the 359 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: car to stall. Sit tight on the phone, den, Let 360 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: me pull over and take this pause, will pick up 361 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: where we left off right after this. I'm on a 362 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: namy and the car doctor and I'm gonna come roaring back. 363 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: Don't anybody go away. 364 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 4: Ron's in his own the Auto Zone studio and he'll 365 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 4: be back right after this. Welcome back to the Auto 366 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 4: Zone Studio. Here's Ron. 367 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: Hey, let's get back to Dale and Virginia Dale. You're 368 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: still there, sir, Yeah, I'm still here. So going through 369 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: idle speed control, no switch and so forth, base minimum 370 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: idle speed adjustments. Making sure everything there is correct is 371 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: first step. Splest thing to do. If you can try 372 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: and find a GM new old stock idle speed control motor, 373 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: if you determine the nose switch is indeed bad, all right, 374 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, eBay, any one of the forms any place 375 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: you can. But it's it was a complicated piece back 376 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: in the day, for nineteen eighty four. It was like 377 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: rocket ship technology. And it's not easily reproduced. So if 378 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: you can find some GM stuff that would be great. 379 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: That would be a simple repair. How many miles are 380 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: on this forty one hundred. 381 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 5: Sixty four thousand. 382 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: Okay, So no insult intended. It's lived twice its useful 383 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: life because most forty one hundreds lasted thirty thousand miles, 384 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: blew up. They put another engine in it, and they 385 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: drove it another thirty thousand miles. So the fact that 386 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: you got sixty out of it, you're doing really good, 387 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: all right. The reason the forty one hundred I remember 388 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: because I remember this engine. I was working for a 389 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: limousine Andhearst company at the time, and this is all 390 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: we worked on, I mean, all day long. The reason 391 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: the forty one hundred used to fail so often is 392 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: because the intake manifold bolts would loosen up over time. 393 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: At thirty thousand miles, they would come in and everybody 394 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: would you would tork the intake manifold. When you tork 395 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: the intake manifold to correct spec you would pull the 396 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: block back to square because the block kind of tended 397 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: to sag over time and the thrust bearing in the crank. 398 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: Once it was tightened up and straightened, it was sort 399 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: of like a two by four that sagged in the doorway. 400 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: Now you shoved it back into place and it knocked, 401 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the engine exploded three 402 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: thousand miles later. So it was a disaster. So the 403 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: fact that you got three thirty. You got double the 404 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: amount of thirty thousand miles out of this car. You 405 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: did really well. You've got to go through and you've 406 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: got to do basics as far as vacuum leaks and 407 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: obvious things like that. All right. The last, the last 408 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: thing I want somebody to check as goofy as it sounds, 409 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: because I do have engine issues with these cars, is 410 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: I want you to make sure the ignition timing is correct. 411 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: And then I want you to make sure have you 412 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: ever heard the expression split timing? 413 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 5: Oh? 414 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I want you to split time the motor. 415 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: So the firing order on this was one eight, four 416 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: to three, six, five, seven to two. So I want 417 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: to make sure that one in six show within eight 418 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: degrees on the balancer tab, all right. And what that's 419 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: showing us is that the timing chain doesn't have stretch. 420 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: Because here's the problem, all right, and it's the fact 421 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: that this happens after an hour on the road. You know, 422 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: after an hour on the road, the oils thinned out, 423 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: everything is sort of settled into its place. The timing 424 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: chains would stretch and it would cause bounce at the 425 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: distributor gear. So what happens is it started to beat 426 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: up the distributor gear. And I'm going to tell you 427 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: one last step in a second, and you would find 428 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: that the distributor would give out an inaccurate RPM indication. 429 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: What happens The PCM can't buffer the data. This was 430 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, not two thousand and four. They were 431 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: smarter by then. And it just bumped the idle up 432 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: because Cadillac didn't want to hear anybody calling up and saying, hey, car, 433 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: keep stalling. We'll make it raise, but we won't let 434 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: it fall. 435 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: All right. 436 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: If you find that it's split times, okay, that's great. 437 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: If it doesn't split time, okay, then you've got to 438 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: think that perhaps there's a stretch in the timing chain, 439 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: and then you want to mechanically check that. Pull the 440 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: distributor cap off, bring it around to number one, load 441 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: it the opposite way, and then bring it forward. How 442 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: many degrees does the crank rotate before the before the 443 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: distributor starts to move. If it's more than eight degrees, 444 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: there's enough stretch there that that could be causing the problem. 445 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: Last thing, all right, last thing, okay, okay, all right, 446 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: The distributor gears used to wear to a razor's edge. 447 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: All right, you sound like an old GM guy Dale, right, 448 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: So let me just jump bick on. 449 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: Right. 450 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: You know, you pull a GM distributor, the teeth on 451 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: the gear where oh, I don't know, they were about 452 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: maybe they were an eighth of an inch thick. They 453 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: were that nice even good thick heavy gear. Right. If 454 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: you pull this, If you pull this distributor out and 455 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: you find that the ends of the gear are peened 456 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: to a sharp point like a tooth, like a saw tooth, 457 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: they're sharpened, it means the gear is worn out and 458 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: that'll cause an inaccurate RPM signal because that allows the 459 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: distributor gear to bounce against the cam gear. All right, 460 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: so that could be the problem. So you know you've 461 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: got a good scenario, a bad scenario, and a horrible scenario. 462 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, split timing. 463 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: So but yeah, go back to split timing it and 464 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: see what it is. It's still a basic engine at 465 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: the end of the day. And you know, see where 466 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: that goes. Move cautiously because I will tell you this, 467 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: I haven't looked at it in a long time, but 468 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: about six seven years ago, I remember GM was discontinuing 469 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: re manufacturing of that. That's probably more than that. Thinking 470 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: about it, the forty one hundred, into my knowledge, there 471 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: are no forty one hundred engines available anymore, no replacement parts, 472 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: no remanufacturers. So it's not going to be easy to 473 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: replace if you make a mistake along the way, or 474 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: if the engine needs to be replaced as a result 475 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: of all this. So just just tread carefully, all right, Okay, okay, 476 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: all right, kiddo. If you need or somebody needs to 477 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: hear this again, this show will become a podcast dated today. 478 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: This is our one, and they can pick it up 479 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: around the fifteen minute mark and listen through the second half. 480 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: If you've got a mechanic that wants to hear any 481 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: of this, or you want to hear this all over again, 482 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: the podcast will be up with you twenty four hours. 483 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: All right, sir, Because I realized I've given you a 484 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: lot of information all at once. 485 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, all right, all right, I appreciate it. 486 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: Thank You're very welcome. Deal you have a red good 487 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: rest of the day. 488 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 489 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: Forty one Caddy Motors. Wow, I remember, I can't believe 490 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: that one's still going sixty thousand plus miles. That's don't 491 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: tell GM. They'll be upset something lasted that long that 492 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to them, Like holy smokes. I 493 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: want to just comment real quick before I go to 494 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: before I go to the pause. You know, I was 495 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: talking a little bit about labor rates and so forth. 496 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not worth two hunred and forty 497 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: dollars an hour to fix a car, but I also 498 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: want to make sure that management airs that with the 499 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: technicians working on it, because there's an awful lot of 500 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: technicians in this industry in my opinion, that are underpaid 501 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: for what they're doing and trying to keep up with 502 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: this stuff. I defy anybody to go look at some 503 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: of the videos on YouTube, for example starter a replacement, 504 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: fuel injection replacement, engine replacement, heater, core replacement, and tell 505 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 1: me what's that worth to them to lie on their 506 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: back And you know, there's some mechanical aptitude required, but 507 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of physical abuse that goes into repairing 508 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: a car. And that's why a lot of mechanics, you 509 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: know what, as they get older, suffer from it and 510 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: it's harder and harder to keep doing the job. So 511 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: more power to the brothers and sisters out there. Hey 512 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: five five, five, six zero nine nine zero zero, run 513 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: any of the card doctor. I'll be back right after this. 514 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: Don't go away. Welcome back, running the card Doctor. Let's 515 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: go to Bill and Maine waiting the very patiently Billy. 516 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: Appreciate your patient, sir, How can I help? 517 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 3: Hi? Ron listened to your show for years. I really 518 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: appreciate your encyclopedic knowledge of mechanical issues. Long story, sure, 519 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 3: I'll try to make it short. Nineteen ninety three f 520 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 3: two fifty with a seven point three lead diesel motor. 521 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 3: I bought new twenty five thousand dollars and taking care 522 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 3: of the truck. It's got two hundred and eighty thousand 523 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: miles on it now. It's it's on its second rebuilt transmission. 524 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 3: The last transmission I decided to have rebuilt when there 525 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 3: was a little bit of material in the pan at 526 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 3: the last fluid change, and while there were still people 527 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: around that could rebuild transmission of that age, I had 528 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 3: it done. It was it was running fine. So last 529 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 3: about a year ago, I had this transmission rebuilt at 530 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: an ATRA shop. Had good luck with Atra, and everything 531 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 3: ran fine until this spring, and I think I had 532 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 3: what is known as an ac ripple. It was on 533 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 3: my second radio, you know, and started to smell something. 534 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 3: The radio went out and I think the ac ripple 535 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 3: might have burnt out the radio. No big thing, They're 536 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 3: one hundred bucks now. And about the same time, it 537 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 3: started getting a flashing overdrive light which is in the 538 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: LIMP home mode. 539 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: And is it in LIMP bill or does the trans 540 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: shift normal? 541 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 3: No, it actually does it does the hid up shifts 542 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 3: second first and second, I guess yea. And so from 543 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 3: there I replaced the alternator, the brand new Bosh alternator 544 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 3: in it and tested it, and I did confirm that 545 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 3: the the original alternator did have one vault ac ripple 546 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 3: in it, which I think was over the limit. So 547 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 3: I put put a brand new Bus alternator in and 548 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: tested that. No more ac ripple, but the transmission still 549 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 3: occasionally went into the uh yeah. So uh then I 550 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 3: was told to replace the PCM, which I had to 551 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 3: get a rebuilt one through NAPA, and I replaced that 552 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 3: and that was good for a little while, and uh, 553 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 3: all of a sudden the things starting to uh go on. 554 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: The transmission is starting to go back into the default 555 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 3: LIMP home mode again. I took it back to the 556 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 3: shop and they can't pull any codes from it. I 557 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 3: couldn't pull any codes either. It's got the ob D 558 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 3: one simple simple system. 559 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: But is it is it that it can't pull any 560 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: codes or there are no codes to be pulled? 561 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: Well? And I don't think it. I don't think the 562 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: the wire ring is uh is doing anything to the 563 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 3: it used to be. When I plugged in my cheap 564 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 3: code reader, I could hear. 565 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: Some you know, bels, bells and whistles clicking and so 566 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: forth right. You would hear it cycle through its relays 567 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: and solenoids. And you don't hear that anymore. 568 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: No, I get nothing, So I don't think there's a 569 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 3: connection there. Because this shop had a better scanner, snap On, 570 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 3: and they couldn't get anything either, and they called snap 571 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 3: On and. 572 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: Anyway, so the first the first thing, I'm gonna stop 573 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna stop you there because I know where 574 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: this is going already. Uh, you know, could there be 575 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: a problem with the trans that they rebuilt? My question 576 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: would be they they gave you a rebuilt or rebuilt 577 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: your trans? 578 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 3: They gave me a rebuilt, right, they didn't do it 579 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 3: in their shop. 580 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: Right, so they bought an exchange unit over the counter 581 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: and then installed it. Yes, so you know, and I'll 582 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: pose the question to this way, what if that trends 583 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: has bad shift solenoid in it? You won't you won't know, right, 584 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: you know. And the way you're gonna know is the 585 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: overdrive light's gonna flash. It's gonna set a fault code, 586 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: and you should be able to pick that up by 587 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: doing what scanning it? So I guess we're I'm going 588 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: to tell you to fix first. It's you got to 589 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: be able to you got to be able to scan. 590 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: It's it's got to function, it's got to work. You know, 591 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: ninety five, ninety four, all that stuff, it was all 592 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: primitive peat in terms of ninety three, ninety four to 593 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: ninety five. It was all primitive Pete in terms of 594 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, there is no real data stream and it 595 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: was just sort of coming online. But I don't know that. 596 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: I don't remember there being enough diesels on the road 597 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: that it mattered to the software writers and the EPA 598 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: that they were going to mandate we have data stream access. 599 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: I think there's some limited but regardless, we've got to 600 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: be able to pull codes. Now, how are we going 601 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: to do that because I know that's your next question. Right, 602 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: older Fords, you know you've got to be sure of 603 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: all the grounds there. If it's the this should be 604 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: an EKE four car electronic under control four. There were 605 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: power and grounds that there was power at twenty, twenty, forty, 606 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: and sixty and then there were three grounds. I recall 607 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: going to the PCM case. If I'm not mistaken, you 608 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: got to make sure all the powers and grounds are 609 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: good and solid at all times. And you've got to 610 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: start looking at because this is a great state of 611 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,959 Speaker 1: Maine with salt and corrosion. And I know you're going 612 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: to tell me you take care of the truck. I'm 613 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: sure you do, but I just want to be sure. 614 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: I would voltage drop all my ground connections, make sure 615 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: they're good, clean and tight, specifically at the battery. There 616 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: used to be on the older four pickups what we 617 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: called the EKE three pig or the EKE four pigtail, 618 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: which was a weather insulated ground connection, and they seem 619 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: to fall off as time goes by. It was like 620 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, the jacket in your closets somehow shrunk as 621 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: you got older. But you know, those grounds just seemed 622 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: to disappear with battery replacement. I'm not saying that's the 623 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: case with you, but just from experience. Right, you're here 624 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: because you want to tap my brain what I've seen. 625 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: I would take a careful look at, you know, all 626 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: the grounds going around the chassis and just making sure 627 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: everything is good, clean and tight. But until I can 628 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: get this to scan codes, because you could have a 629 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: bad solenoid. You could have a solnoid that's reacting with temperature. 630 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: You know, the windings you know, are reacting from heat, 631 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it's it's shorting out or 632 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: it's going open, and it won't allow the chance to 633 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: operate properly. Before you respond to that link, pull over 634 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: and take this pause, and we'll finish up on the 635 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: other side. I'm rn an eating the card doctor. We'll 636 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: return right after this welcome back bill. You're still there, sir, 637 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: ronin Eni in here, Hi. 638 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:51,239 Speaker 3: Hi. 639 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: So you know, let me ask you this question. How's 640 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: this speedometer in this truck? Is it accurate? Is it 641 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: working all the time? Is it ever erratic? 642 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I've had that issue before. That's got 643 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 3: the sensor on the differential and sometimes it gets full 644 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 3: of iron. Filings and just cleaned it off. I've had 645 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 3: to replace once. But no, this peedometer, tachometer a both fine. 646 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: Both function into this. So when did the overdrive light 647 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 1: start flashing? Ever since the trans was replaced? Or ever 648 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: since the trans and then the PCM was replaced? 649 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,239 Speaker 3: No? Ever since? Well, I don't drive the truck too 650 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: much in the winter, so I had the transmission rebuilt 651 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 3: last September, and I put a few hundred miles on it, 652 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 3: just trying it out, and then just mostly plowed my 653 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 3: driveway with it over the winter. And then this spring 654 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 3: when I started using it, I did do an eight 655 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 3: hundred mile trip with it out to Vermont and back 656 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,959 Speaker 3: and it ran flawlessly. And after that then I started 657 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: getting the overdrive light. 658 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: Okay, when did the PCM get replaced? 659 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 3: I replaced that back in July of this year. Yes, 660 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 3: so you. 661 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: Already had that. You already had the overdrive flashing light? 662 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 3: Yes? 663 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: Okay, do you still have the old PCM? 664 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 3: No, there was a seven dollar core. 665 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: I sent it back for the future. Always keep the 666 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: old core. It's worth the seventy bucks. Oh really, yeah, well, 667 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: just saying listen, I had to put it. I've got 668 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: a spare ac control head from my suburban, my own 669 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: four suburban that I'm stockpiling parts for, and there was 670 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five dollars corps. I kept the 671 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: old one. I'm not giving it back. I'm gonna find 672 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: somebody to rebuild it because it's it's too hard to 673 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: go through and find these things. So it's just it's worth. 674 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: It's it's worth. 675 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 3: I opened it up. 676 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's not something you'll see because of the electronics. 677 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 4: Do this. 678 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: There's two solenoids in that trans Once you go talk 679 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: to the trans shop, could they put another solenoid pack 680 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: in it and at least eliminate solenoids as a possible problem. 681 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: And then the other thing you've got to work on 682 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: is you've got to work on why this won't pull codes. 683 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: It's gotta pull codes, because at least then it'll tell 684 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: you what direction to go. This could have a bad 685 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: manual lever position sensor on the side of the trans 686 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: case cussing all these problems as well, I'm ronning Ady 687 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: and the car doctor. The mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 688 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 4: See you