1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Welcome to the latest edition of Falcons and Focus. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: I am Arren Walk joined her usual by Tory mcelhaney 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: in Today's guest of honor is Jimmy Lake, the Falcons 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 2: If you didn't know, if you didn't know, and Katy missed. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: The past five months, right, but her starters her usual too. 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: As the official ticket I take a huge breath right before. 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Excited? 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: I'm excited. I'm excited to hear. Uh what questions learning 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 3: it love my way. We're gonna see what's going to honor. 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: I guarantee they're not going to be like any of 21 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: the questions you just answered. In that like thirty minutes 22 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: of media availability. Yeah, for the people. We just finished 23 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: media availability with all the coordinators and all the position 24 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: coaches and we're just like running around from table to 25 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: table talking to you guys. 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: So this is a little different. 27 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: Well, it's good. I got my Phillip talking football and 28 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 3: now I get to talk with you all about whatever 29 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: you guys want to ask. 30 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: Men you in this podcast. I don't care about the 31 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: Falcons defense. We do for our jobs. We do. 32 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: Anyways, we're going to rewind back to your childhood to start. Okay, 33 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: so you have a very interesting Yeah, moved around quite 34 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: a bit casually, Yes I did. Yes, Why was that? 35 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: So? My father was in the Air Force and so 36 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 3: he was stationed at Travis Air Force Base in the 37 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: Bar area. I was born in Walnut Creek. And you know, 38 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: most military, if you know about the military, they usually 39 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 3: move around bases about three to four years. And that's 40 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: what we did. We moved all over and I spent 41 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 3: up bunch time overseas, spent close to four years and 42 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 3: Turkey at Insulic Air Force Base, five years at Clark 43 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 3: Air Force Base in the Philippines, and then before that, 44 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: when I left California. I think I was four years old, 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 3: did a stint at Fairchild Air Force Base in the 46 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: state of Washington, right outside of Spokane, Washington. And so 47 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: then after we were done with our tour overseas, my 48 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: mom really enjoyed the Northwest in the state of Washington, 49 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: and so we ended up moving back to Spokane, Washington, 50 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 3: and that's where I went to high school and then 51 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: played college football a Eastern Washington. And now, of course 52 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: my career coaching takes me all over the place, and 53 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: so everything that my parents did to me as a 54 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 3: young kid, I've done to my kids, and now my 55 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 3: kids have been dragged around I think about six or 56 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: seven different states in the last twenty years. 57 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: Honestly, you learned something about yourself when when that's kind 58 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: of the lifestyle. I know you're you're very young, but 59 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: what memories do you have of or Turkey or the Philippines? Like, 60 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start, because that's pretty 61 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: interesting in and of itself. 62 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 3: Well, I'll start in Turkey. The food is incredible. 63 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I want to make a Turkey show. 64 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 3: You still eat, uh, I still eat a ton of 65 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: you know, you know, Mediterranean, Persian food, you know, whatever 66 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: you want to call it. I remember being young and 67 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: walking off base with my family and just smelling the 68 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: shish kebab and the vegetables and it would just be 69 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 3: all over the marketplace and in the in the downtown 70 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: streets of u uh uh A Donna is what the 71 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: city is called outside of Insula Air Force Base. And 72 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: so I vividly remember that. I also remember, you know, 73 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: the culture there. You know, they they they pray you know, 74 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 3: at sun up and sundown and and even at at 75 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: noon and everyone's stopping what they're doing and putting the 76 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: you know, the rugs down and going through their prayer. 77 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: Vividly remember that. And so that's the things. And then 78 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: then actually the history of Turkey. There's castles from the 79 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: fourteen hundreds thirteen hundreds that are still up and that 80 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: is a big memory that has stuck with me really. 81 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: Oh and they showed like where the dungeons were and 82 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: where the king and the queen where they resided. That 83 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 3: was very interesting and it was awesome to see. 84 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: That's so cool. 85 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: And then when you go to the Philippines, that's actually 86 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: where if our research is correct, that's. 87 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: Where you picked up football. 88 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: That's where you start playing like youth football on the 89 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: base in the Philippines. What was that experience like and 90 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: kind of how did you fall in love with the game, 91 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: because obviously American football is not probably not big in Turkey, 92 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: I don't know, never been, but also maybe not super 93 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: big in the Philippines either, so kind of what led 94 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: you to football? 95 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's usually a normal question I get from 96 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: people who don't understand, like the how the air bases work. 97 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 3: When you're on the air base, they're all Americans on 98 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 3: the airbase, so you're with American kids and you're playing 99 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: American sports. And so even going back to Turkey, you know, 100 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 3: I remember watching my dad played football with the other airmen, 101 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: and I started swimming there competition with my brothers. My 102 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: mom was my coach, and so my competitive juices started 103 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 3: early on and really probably started because I have a 104 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: twin brother. Yeah, and so we competed everything, not just sports, 105 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: but now you know, and then we so we do 106 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 3: go to the Philippines and I started playing tackle football 107 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: in the fourth grade flag football actually back in Turkey, 108 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 3: but tackle in the fourth grade, and then played tackle football, 109 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: you know, all the way through from there until college. 110 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: But around American kids playing American sports on an American 111 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: air base just happened to be thousands and thousands of 112 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 3: miles away from the United States. 113 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: Great, aren't the bases like a little community and then 114 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: off themselves where it's like you have everything you need 115 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: in that area. 116 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, they I'm trying to remember what they call 117 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: it right now, but I mean you have like it's 118 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: called a b X, So there's like a b X 119 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: which is now would be considered basically like a target, 120 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: but it's very similar to every American city you can 121 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 3: think of. You have you know, where you get all 122 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 3: the essentials, you can go shop, where you get your clothes, 123 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 3: you know, americanized clothes. So they try to make it, 124 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: you know, a little slice of America just thousands of 125 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: miles away. 126 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: Did you get to leave the base often? 127 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, oh yes we did. Yeah, Like I had 128 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 3: mentioned in Turkey, we would go off base and go 129 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: visit all the castles, go visit the downtown streets, and 130 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 3: then same thing in the Philippines. A lot of really 131 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: cool beaches. You know, you're in the tropics now in 132 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: the far East, but there is even I remember going 133 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 3: to Bagiol Mountain there's a mountain with snow you wouldn't 134 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 3: think of in the Philippines and so we I remember 135 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: doing that as a kid. 136 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: That's a mine I can't comprehend, right, Yeah. 137 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it snows in Turkey too, which people wouldn't 138 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: think that either. Yeah, oh yes, I remember seeing it. 139 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: How much when when you think back to your childhood 140 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: and I know at the time it was very normal 141 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: for you to have that upbringing where you're not just 142 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: like moving across state lines but internationally over oceans. But 143 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: how much of that time period in your life impacted 144 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: you in your adulthood and how you are able to 145 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: maybe even like forge relationships very quickly. 146 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: Oh, no question, Yeah, learned early on. You know, we 147 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: would move so often, three every three four years, and 148 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: it was sad. You know, we'd have, you know, friendships, 149 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: you know, with kids at that early age, and all 150 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're like, well, I'm not going to 151 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: see them anymore right now. But we were able to, 152 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: you know, meet people quickly for those relationships. But also 153 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing I got was probably just 154 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: perspective as well, perspective of of how great this kind 155 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: of tree is. For one, not that those countries aren't great, 156 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: but you see, you know, you see how we take 157 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: care of our bridges in our streets and you know, 158 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: our buildings and our structures, and it gives you a 159 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: lot of you know, a lot of perspective on you know, 160 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: why we are the greatest country on the planet. 161 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting that you bring that up because the 162 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: recently Steve Cannon, who I know he's retiring, but he 163 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: was stationed in Germany for a long time, went to 164 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: West Point Big in the military, and he was talking 165 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: about how like the farther you get east, like when 166 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: you're going from like Germany, the closer you get to 167 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: Russia's like where democracy and like authoritarianism like clashed like 168 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: head on, and you can see it in the infrastructure 169 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: of these places. So I think that's very fascinating that, yes, 170 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: it's that way in probably multiple different areas of the world, 171 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: but because of different circumstances. 172 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: Right, And you know, this is another point. When I 173 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: was in Turkey, you know, we we had just bomb Libya. 174 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 3: This was in the eighties. Oh wow, And when we 175 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: were leaving Turkey, we had F sixteen fighters escorting us 176 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 3: out of Turkey, and you know, there was you know, 177 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: there was always caution and sirens going off on the 178 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 3: base that we could be, you know, under attack. And 179 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 3: that's another perspective thing that I have. You know, as 180 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: we as I sit here and live in the United States, 181 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: is most of us go to bed at night not 182 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: thinking that, you know, there could be an airplane to 183 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: come over and drop a bomb on us. And and 184 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: so pay my taxes and I'm and I and I 185 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: and I pay them every every check gladly because I 186 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: know where I get to live. 187 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have chills. Honestly. 188 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: That's very inspiring and very powerful, but all fun. We 189 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: want to have some fun here too. You mentioned your brother, 190 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: your twin brother, and I love so twins kind of 191 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: sort of running my family, but not you know, not 192 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: a whole lot. But what I think is really interesting 193 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: about twins is this idea of twin telepathy. 194 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: Do you, as a twin think it is real? 195 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 3: I do think it's real. Okay, I do think it's real. 196 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: All right, yes, I need to. 197 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 3: Well, there's probably more proof with my wife, who is 198 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 3: also a twin, which is she has an identical twin sister, 199 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: and I've heard a lot of stories between them. Two 200 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: about you know, you know, things that have happened, and 201 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 3: then they'll say it at the same exact time or 202 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: they were thinking this and they would call and it 203 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: was happening. And then between me and Jason, I think 204 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: it was more probably earlier as kids, where we just 205 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: kind of know the rhythm and rhyme of why we're 206 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 3: about to do something and we're on the same page. 207 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 208 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my gosh. 209 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: What was it like growing up with someone who I mean, 210 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: siblings is one thing, but like a true like built 211 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: in best friend that is were they best friends? 212 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: Though? I know zins I didn't get along. You did 213 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: say y'all were competitive? 214 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: No, Dad, No, No, we're best friends. Yeah, I know, 215 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: we're best friends. We know we are very very competitive, 216 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 3: very competitive, uh, which drove us to be you know, 217 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: really good in the sports that we played. And yeah, 218 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 3: and also in our professions too. You know, he's he 219 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 3: sells yachts and boats down in Tampa right now, and 220 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 3: he's one of the best in the country at doing it. 221 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: And I know it's his competitive drive that that that 222 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: makes him successful. But no, we uh, you know, we 223 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: we we had our battles too, you know, I mean 224 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: we're brothers. But uh, but I'll you know, going back 225 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: to all the moving around, I did have that built 226 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 3: in best friend, like you just mentioned, Tory had that 227 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: built in best friend, which really helped me. He actually 228 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: loves to talk way more than me. He has that 229 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: gift of gab. And so I would just like we 230 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: would move to a new place and I would just 231 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: kind of sit there and be quiet, kind of take 232 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: everything in and and see what's going on. And my 233 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: brother was there to he was he was the mouth 234 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 3: and he was going on and but it was comforting 235 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 3: that I had my best friend with me where wherever 236 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: we moved. 237 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: Were you a fraternal? 238 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 3: Were fraternal? 239 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: Okay? 240 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: Yep? 241 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: So but your wife is identical. 242 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: They're identical. 243 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 2: Did they ever pull any pranks on you? I love that, 244 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 2: souff yea all the pranks. Here's the thing. 245 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: We grew up in the era of Mary Kate Nashley, 246 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: so like twins are like the coolest thing for us. 247 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: They So I went to high school. We all went 248 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: to high school together. So my wife and I were 249 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: high school sweet arts. We didn't date in night school, 250 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: but we met freshman year, ninth grade, sixth period and 251 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 3: the class was called life choices. Wow, no way, and 252 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: it is we named one of our boat life choices. 253 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: Did you buy the boat from your brother? 254 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 3: No? I did not, actually come on, no, I know. 255 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: I have a pause to him as well. I was 256 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: all the way up in Seattle. It was a used 257 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: boat up in Seattle. I bought it up there, So 258 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 3: I know he's expecting me to buy a purchase one 259 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 3: here in the future. 260 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure we're closing up. 261 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, But going back to the pranks, I do 262 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: remember my wife Michelle, her twin sister, Wendy. They would 263 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: switch classes and so you know, the teacher wouldn't know, 264 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 3: they had no idea they would switch classes. And you know, 265 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: of course I had classes with them as well, and 266 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: early on I didn't know, but after a while I could. 267 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 3: I could tell the difference. 268 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: How long did it take you to be able to 269 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: tell the difference between them? 270 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: As soon as I got to know them. I think 271 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: if with any twins, as soon as you get to 272 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: know them and you know their mannerisms, how they talk, 273 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: and then you you pick it up right away. But 274 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 3: like right from the get go, you're like, what is 275 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 3: going on here? You know they are mirrored, mirrored mirror 276 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 3: images of each other, and you can't tell. But I 277 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: would say it took me a few months and then 278 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: and then I now, I know. 279 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: Are any of your kids twins? 280 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 3: They are not. 281 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: They're not, So it's the next generation. 282 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 3: I don't know how it works. Actually, you know it's 283 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 3: It's funny because this conversation always comes up. I'm not sure. 284 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 3: I don't know how it happens. And if you guys know, 285 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 3: that'd be i'd I would love to hear the information. 286 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: But they say it skips or it runs this next one. 287 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: I think it feels like it's just it just happens. 288 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: But random. I don't know. Genetics are weird. Maybe yes, 289 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you. 290 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: I always wanted twins, but now I'm like, that sounds thankful, 291 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: angel and stressful. I'd be the one that would mix 292 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: them up. I had to like paint a toenail a 293 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: certain colored. I know that's what they do with like 294 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: identical babies. I thought you were going to say, like 295 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: across the forehead. Oh, but no, that's more obvious. Well 296 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: it's funny too, because like by the time that you 297 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: are in high school, y'all, y'all settle into like Washington 298 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: and y'all are there for the remainder of your adolescent years. Like, 299 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: what was it like to to not like, not have 300 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: to move, leave and move and you can put roots 301 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: down right right? 302 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have guess I haven't really reflected on that, 303 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: but it was nice to go through, you know, my 304 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: high school years in one high school, yeah, and not 305 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: have to leave because, as I'm sure you all know, 306 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 3: as you get older, you know, those friends it was 307 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: even getting even tighter as you be sure and all 308 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: those things, you know, as opposed to being friends with 309 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: somebody when you're five years old. You know that's probably 310 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: not kind of right, yeah, you know, it fills out 311 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: pretty quick, but and so yeah, I know it was. 312 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: It was. It was very nice to be able to 313 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 3: be in one spot for you know, those four years. 314 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 3: But then quickly I went to college and so now 315 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: you know, I'm moving again, right and starting a career 316 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 3: and started moving then. But but I will say it 317 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: was it was definitely nice still having those friendships that 318 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 3: I still have this to this day. And I married 319 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 3: one of my friends, right. 320 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it ended up working out. The roots were like 321 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: everything was good. 322 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: Yes, when you kind of think about that time, too. 323 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: Your dad was still active serviceman, and I believe was 324 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: stationed in South Korea for a little bit and was 325 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: away from the family. And what was that like too, 326 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: because I imagine like for a long time y'all are 327 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: together and then he is off deployed and you don't 328 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: get to see him or talk to him as much 329 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: as you did previously. 330 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: No, No, I mean it's it's it's tough. There's no other, 331 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 3: you know, easy word to say, except it was tough. Uh, 332 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 3: you know. They actually my parents divorced when we came 333 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: back to the States, and so I know, it's the 334 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: state of Washington. We went to high school there. He 335 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: finished some service down in Waco, Texas, and then finished 336 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: up in South Korea back into the Far East, and 337 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: then he would come visit now and then. But no, 338 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: it was it was very challenging, very challenging for him 339 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 3: not being there, and then obviously challenging when when my 340 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: when my parents. 341 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: Split, right, yeah, do you look back on that time 342 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: and kind of see the lifestyle, the military lifestyle and 343 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: kind of the routines of it, and maybe things that 344 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: even your dad instilled as a child you still kind 345 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: of abide by today. 346 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: Oh, for sure. The discipline. Yeah, that's that's the biggest 347 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: one that I'd give him credit for that. You know 348 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: that most military people are right, they're disciplined, they go 349 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 3: through their process, and yeah, that that's definitely my style 350 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 3: of the way I go about things, whether you know 351 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 3: I'm coaching or at the house cleaning up things. Everything's 352 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 3: got to be a certain way, or you know, making 353 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 3: your bed, you know, every morning, all those things. He 354 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: definitely instilled that discipline and that structure in me. 355 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 2: Are your clocks in military time? 356 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not a fan. It's so funny. My 357 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 3: oldest son he's actually a fan of that. And when 358 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 3: he uses my car he always changes like it to 359 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 3: the military time, and I can't figure out how to 360 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 3: put I'm not a fan of the military time. I 361 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 3: like the regular things. I like the AM and the PM. 362 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: I'm good. 363 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: I need to know if it's a night or morning 364 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: to duck the. 365 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 3: Time, I don't know, you know, it's like whatever six hours, 366 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 3: take off the twelve or whatever it is. Yeah, I 367 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 3: don't need that. 368 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 2: Did you ever debate taking the military route given since your. 369 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: Father was No, No, I did. My my father he said, 370 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 3: so he you know, enlisted right out of high school, 371 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 3: and he told us early on, he said, go to college, 372 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 3: and I don't want you guys going right into the 373 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 3: military out of high school. He goes, if you go 374 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 3: to the military, you go to college first, get your degree, 375 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: and then go into the military. And so that that 376 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 3: was how he told us and how he guided us. 377 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: But as soon as I went to college, played college football, 378 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 3: I got a business degree. My whole mindset was I 379 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: wanted to be in some sort of business. But then 380 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: all my coaching staff that I played for brought me 381 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: in my senior year before I was finished playing and said, 382 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: you know, you're a captain, you know defense, you know 383 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: football inside. Now these guys, these guys follow you. You're 384 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 3: a leader. You need to be coaching. And so then 385 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 3: I started off coaching, and here I am, twenty five 386 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 3: years arlier. I'm so coaching. 387 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: What's hilarious about this, though, is that there was a 388 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: time period between graduating college and starting your coaching career 389 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: where I believe you worked for a minor league baseball team. 390 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 3: Yes, I did, okay, and I loved every minute. 391 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: I need to know, because minors Spoka Indians is awesome. 392 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a Kansas City Royal's affiliate, and so 393 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: what I was doing was I was asking finishing up 394 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 3: my degree. So I started as a true freshman at 395 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: Eastern Washington University, got finished playing. It took me five 396 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 3: years to get my business degree. So during that fifth year, 397 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 3: I actually was an undergraduate assistant for the football team. 398 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: And then one of my classes was to sell baseball 399 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 3: tickets for the Spoken Indians baseball team. And I would 400 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 3: go do that for credit, but also I would get 401 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 3: paid for it, and so I do only I'd only 402 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 3: go in there for four hours a day, but they 403 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 3: had the they had the big board up like, hey, 404 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 3: who's sold this mini tickets? You know they have the 405 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 3: whole deal and guys, oh yeah. So the employees were 406 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 3: there all day long. I was only there four days 407 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: and guess who the number one salesman was. Let's go 408 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 3: and I I loved it. I would go out and 409 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: meet with businesses, sell boxes, sell suite, sell tickets, and 410 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 3: I remember all the guys in the office. I still 411 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 3: talk to those guys to this day. Uh, they were 412 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 3: just there. They were wild. They couldn't believe that I 413 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: was getting all these sales in such a limited time. 414 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 2: So what was your go to pitch? Like, I try 415 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 2: to sell us for the bo what was it the Indians? 416 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 2: Soken Indians? 417 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to make it such a Washington we 418 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: we Why should I get tickets? I'm a successful business 419 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: woman and I'm looking for a leisurely activity. 420 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: What should I do that? 421 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: Giving you a backstory that you have to know who 422 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: you're selling to in order to like, they speak their language, 423 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: you know you do. 424 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 3: And so if you're just kind of, you know, a 425 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 3: casual fan, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna bring pictures 426 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 3: of what it looks like. Where are your seats gonna 427 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 3: be from? 428 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 2: Better not be behind a pole. 429 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: It's definitely not one of the best seats in the als. 430 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: Now if you want to even know better, if you well, 431 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 3: if you want a better one, then you're gonna have 432 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: to spend out some more money here. Yeah, but uh, 433 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 3: you know the first one, you just got to get 434 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: him in the ballpark. As soon as you get him 435 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 3: in the ballpark, it's still funny. As soon as they 436 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: have that experience and then they want more. It's funny 437 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 3: how that works. 438 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: Oh man, I love It's hilarious. Good do you have. 439 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: A favorite story of that time, of something that you did, 440 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: because I know that they're one of My favorite thing 441 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: about minor league baseball is like there are so many 442 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: like gimmicks and different. 443 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 2: Nights that they have. 444 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: And I know you're selling tickets, but did you ever, like, 445 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: was there ever a night where you like. 446 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: Well, one that just came to my head? Do you 447 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 3: guys remember you may not remember, you remember the show 448 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 3: Miami Vice. Yes, okay, there was a pause there. 449 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: I can think of like there were I remember that 450 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: there's like a specific like costumes or like outfits that 451 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: they would wear. 452 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 3: So it was maybe I'm thinking of the drink Crockett 453 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 3: and Tubs. Now you guys, now this is eighties. 454 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: No, I know no of it. I don't have it. 455 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: I know of it, so I can't the theme was, 456 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: but uh, I don't know what is. I think he's 457 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: still the president. I believe this book and in is 458 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 3: he just sent me this picture probably six months ago, 459 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 3: oh god, and it was him and I dressed up 460 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: as these two characters. And I can't remember what the 461 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 3: theme was that night, but all the workers dressed up 462 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 3: and I was I was Tubs and he was Crockett 463 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 3: and I was in this awesome early eighties, late seventies outfit. 464 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: I still had hair. I have the picture maybe you 465 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 3: know I alwill send it to you. Yeah, so you 466 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: guys can post it, you know Mat put his podcast. 467 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna well, honestly, we'll just like put it 468 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: as an overlay on the podcast. 469 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 2: So for the people watching, they'll be like, oh, he 470 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: did have hair. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's the costume. 471 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: I had great air too. 472 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: That is so great. So what I mean just to 473 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: kind of put a nice little bow on it, like 474 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: you did that and you seem like you really enjoyed it. 475 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: So I did. They that whole group. There's also a 476 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 3: hockey team, a baseball team that came over. The third 477 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 3: one was but they aggressively tried to hire me. Yeah, 478 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: and I was twenty three, twenty four years old. But then, 479 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 3: you know, the coaching staff in eastern Washington really circled 480 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: around me and said, no, you need to coach. They 481 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 3: offered me. I think it was a one or two 482 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 3: year deal at the time, and you know, benefits the 483 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: whole thing, and I was like, I'll take it. Yeah, 484 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: I'm signing, and let's do this. 485 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: It's crazy too, because I know in your introduction press 486 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: convers you talked about, like, you know, being a differensive 487 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: coordinator in the NFL was like dream job? Like was 488 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: that the dream and the goal with that guy who 489 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: was like the reason you turned down the Indian Yeah. 490 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: So no. So as soon as I decided, okay, I'm 491 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 3: going to start coaching football, then now the goal was 492 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: now I want I want to make it to the 493 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 3: National Football League. I couldn't make it as as a player. 494 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 3: I wasn't you know. It wasn't fast enough, wasn't tall enough, 495 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 3: all those things. I knew where I was supposed to 496 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: be and you know as a from a you know, 497 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 3: coaching perspective, but you no, for as soon as I 498 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 3: took the job as a coach, I was like, all right, 499 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 3: my dream would be the call defenses in the National 500 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 3: Football League And here I am today. 501 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: Love it. Look at that the Indians loss is the Falcons. 502 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: I love that. 503 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: I love that story. That's so great. And I mean, honestly, 504 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: it's weird how things work out. Like the more we 505 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: do this podcast, the more and we talk about life 506 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: with different people, It's like everybody's exactly where they're supposed 507 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: to be. 508 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: And you know Monty Kiffin, who the great defensive coordinator, 509 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 3: one of the best of all time, will probably be 510 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. My second year coaching, I 511 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 3: would write him letters. He'd never I end up working 512 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 3: for him. He'd never remembered it, but I would write 513 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 3: him letters. I want to meet with you. You know, 514 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 3: he had one of the best defensives. Yeah, go on 515 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: at the time. I would love to meet with you. 516 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 3: I want to pick your brain. And it's so funny. 517 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 3: I it all turned out where I ended up getting 518 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 3: hired by him and working for him, and he's a 519 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 3: legend and a lot of stuff that you know, he 520 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: taught me and the funnels of football I still used 521 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: to this day. 522 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: Huh so good did you? 523 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 3: So? 524 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: What did you say when you're like, hey man, I 525 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 2: wrote you like twenty five letters. 526 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: Or like an end write them too, Oh, he written, 527 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: it's like in the notebook I wrote you every day. 528 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, ebout jays. 529 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: And written cards. Never you know, didn't respond. 530 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 2: He want of those free Indian tickets. He was like, 531 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: it's no longer on the Indian This's my favorite tidbit. 532 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: Now I'm not gonna like that one go oh yeah, 533 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I love that story. Okay, Tarn, we 534 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: have one more part of the rapid Fire. 535 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: Everyone gets the same four questions and then we have 536 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: a fifth one that's just like fun and kind of 537 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: personal for each guest. So the first one is what 538 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: is your favorite career word, favorite play of your career 539 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: when it can be colleging or play yeah. 540 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: Boy tough, favorite play, coaching, or or we could do 541 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: like I'll say this, I have one in my head. 542 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead. 543 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 3: And it's so funny that he actually ended his career 544 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 3: as an Atlanta Falcon. This is two thousand and six. Okay, 545 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 3: my co was coaching the DB's for the Tampay Buccaneers. 546 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 3: We were playing the field of Eagles and Tampa Rende 547 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 3: Barber picked off don Donovan McNabb twice for touchdowns, two 548 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 3: long touchdowns, but the game came all the way down 549 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 3: to a Matt Bryant sixty two yard walk off field 550 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 3: goal against a field of Eagles, and the and the 551 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 3: fans went crazy. That's one of the that's one of 552 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: the moments that that has stuck with me. It was 553 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 3: a an electric day. 554 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: Kickers they matter, They matter. Kickers they matter, especially as 555 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 2: they matter. See even the defensive coordinair loves Skier, I do. 556 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: Everybody loves the kicker if they can get those three, 557 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: I mean, good one okay, Next one, who is your 558 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: favorite athlete growing up, regardless of sport? 559 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 3: Michael Jordan okay, daddy. 560 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, no hesitation, no hesitation. It was like as soon 561 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: as I said athletes. 562 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 3: Huge influence on me. Yeah, one of the greatest athletes 563 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 3: of all time. 564 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: His space jam is so much better than Lebron James 565 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: space jam. 566 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 3: Just okay. 567 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: I hope if someone comes at me about that, I 568 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 2: will fight. I've family ruined. No, I'm pretty sure. 569 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm ninety nine percent sure that majority of the people 570 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: listening to this we're watching it, agree. 571 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 2: With that take. That's not a hot take. 572 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: I agree with it. 573 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about yeah, okay, Next one, if you have 574 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: a TV show or movie that you would recommend to 575 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: the people I have gotten to where I like gesture, 576 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: like have an audience here. 577 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 3: TV show or movie war movie? How about both? Okay? Oh? Wow, 578 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 3: we oiled? Yeah, I just really enjoyed TV show your honor? 579 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: What's that on? 580 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: Can I say that? Is there? You recent? I think 581 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 3: I don't think it's on Apple TV. Okay, cool, which 582 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's okay. 583 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: I think it's fine. 584 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's a that's a that's a really that's 585 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 3: a really good show, very very entertaining. I'll say the 586 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: very first episode, I wouldn't watch it right before you 587 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 3: go to sleep because it might keep you up for 588 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 3: a little bit. 589 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: Okay, So suspenseful or like horror, a little combination of both, okay. 590 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it is a very intense scene. I 591 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 3: was telling our general manager Terry about it, and a 592 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 3: couple of months later he goes, Jimmy, you were right. 593 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 2: I was shunk and I was shunk. 594 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 3: And then movies, Uh, one of the best. I still 595 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 3: love this movie to those days. The Untouchables. 596 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good movie. 597 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 3: Great movie. Sean Connery, Kevin Costner, there's a bunch of 598 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: there's a bunch of younger uh actors that are now 599 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: stars that are in that as well. On the Map, 600 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 3: great movie. Yeah, Robert de Niros in there. 601 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 602 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 3: I have some really good, really good ones. Have you 603 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 3: guys seen it? I have I have Okay, Yeah. 604 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: My resume is not good when it comes to TV 605 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: shows or movies. We have established that in the I 606 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,959 Speaker 1: just keep my mouth shut during that question because I 607 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: watch trash. 608 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 2: Terren's like reality TV. I got you anything. I moved 609 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: on about it, about it. I like, it's about it, 610 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: that's all I got TV. 611 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 612 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, this question is almost specifically for Terran so that 613 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: she can I need to my game. 614 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 615 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: But then it's like Ron and I don't, right, I 616 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: go a new season Jersey Shore forget Ozar. 617 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: Oh oh no, it's bad. 618 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: It's bad, And I throw myself under the bus every time, 619 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: every time, but it's fine. Next one, Taran, If you 620 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: had a super power, what would it be? 621 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: And why? 622 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: I would love to fly? Good one? Why? I just 623 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 3: like you wouldn't want to fly? You know, I've had 624 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 3: dreams where I'm flying. I was like, this is really cool. 625 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: You know you're above everything, And I mean, yeah, I 626 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 3: would want to fly. I want to I would want 627 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 3: to be like. 628 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 2: Super Your honor was that that dream was not post your. 629 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 3: Right? 630 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: Okay? 631 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: Last one, You've lived in a lot of really cool places. 632 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: If you could travel, though, to any place that you 633 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: haven't been, where would you want to go? 634 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 3: And I don't know why, boy, but I want to 635 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 3: see Australia. Yes, I've always wanted to go to Australia. Yeah, 636 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: just from the pictures, just seems you got the ocean, 637 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 3: but you got the almost sort of tropical, but some desert. 638 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 3: You have the really weird animals, a lot of weird 639 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 3: big spiders, a lot of golf courses. I'm a golfer. Yeah, 640 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: big spie. There's a lot of big creatures. I don't 641 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 3: want that. That's taking out of it. You're talking out 642 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: of it. 643 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 4: I'm like, you're talking about like all the nice things 644 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: about Australian and member were like spiders, Yeah, snakes, they 645 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 4: can punch the lights of my mine. 646 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: I immediately went to kangaroo jack, crocodiles, crazy. Yeah, I 647 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 2: mean it's it'd be fine, you'd be fine. Sharks, it's fine. 648 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 3: Just don't get in the ocean. Just in the ocean. 649 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 2: In Australia, in Australia, they're all all in Florida. Yeah, 650 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: that's a great That is a great answer. 651 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: Because I've recently gotten into F one or fon and 652 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: All Day Good Knights. 653 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: I let her watch it once. 654 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now I'm like and they I think they 655 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: start their Grand Prix as always like Melbourne, Australia. So 656 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: if you're ever in Australia, just just line up with 657 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: the F one like circuit. 658 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll do that. 659 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: That's a a all right. That was fun. 660 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: That was fun. Yeah, awesome. 661 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: Hey, thank you so much, thanks for coming on of 662 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: course anytime, and as of. 663 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: Course everyone, thank you for listening. 664 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: Be sure to like, subscribe and give all the positive 665 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: reviews only to the nnflcans podcast network. Negative no negative vibes, 666 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: not at all on Spotify, Apple and YouTube. 667 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: And that's it. 668 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you,