1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,279 Speaker 1: Campsite media. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 2: Here's birds right here, and the house is going to 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: be on the left, but drive slowly because it may 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: obtained in the last thirty years. 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: This is Gabriel Ortiz Gabe. He's a cop. In fact, 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: he's one of the highest ranking law enforcement officers in 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: the entire state of Texas region Chief Texas Department of 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Public Safety. We're looking for a house. 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: It could have been. 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 3: Okay, go up a little further. 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: I think it's We're in Brazoria County. It's on the 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: Gulf Coast, south of Houston. 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 4: I want to say that. 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: Was two oh four. 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 3: I think this is it. 16 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, We've stopped in front of a beat up little 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: bungalow on a street of other beat up little bungalows. 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: This one's a greenish yellow, the color of an over 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: boiled egg, and there's a fat stripe of mold near 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: the foundation. We're staring at it as if it's a clue, 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: as if some grimy secret might come leaking out of it. Nothing, 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: that's okay because this isn't surveillance. It's not part of 23 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: an ongoing criminal investigation. Instead, Gabe is doing some historical reconnaissance. 24 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: He's retracing the steps of a criminal he used to know. 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: Not a bad guy, just one who did a lot 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: of things over a lot of years that weren't legal. 27 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: He was kind of a big deal in Missouri County 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: in some circles anyway. And he was shot to death 29 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: in January of twenty twenty three. His name was Larry Ortiz, 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: and he used to live in this little house Gabe 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: did too. Larry was Gabe's brother. The who of the 32 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: murder has been solved. The man who pulled the trigger 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: has already pleaded guilty and been sent to prison. But 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: still this might be the most difficult Gabe's career because 35 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: of the question it raises. How did two brothers raised 36 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: by the same parents in the same place at roughly 37 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: the same time end up leading such fundamentally different lives. 38 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: For years, Gabe believed he knew why, believed he knew 39 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: the reasons everything happened the way it did, and he 40 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: believed he knew Larry. But everyone keeps secrets from Campside 41 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: Media and iHeart Podcasts. This is the Brothers or Ties, 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: Episode one, Gabe's Salvation. I'm Sean Flynn. The Old Neighborhood 43 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: as Gabe suspected had changed some in thirty years. Across 44 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: the street from his old house, there's a line of 45 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: townhomes on what used to be an open field. It's 46 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: funny the way memory works, how one sensory tickle will 47 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: send the brains scrambling after something else. These townhouses remind 48 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: Gabe that there was once a field, which in turn 49 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: brings up a party. 50 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: Parents raps down. I'm probably seventeen, Larry's thirteen. It was 51 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: just supposed to be a small gathering of friends, like 52 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: close friends. Well, we were at the mall, that evening. 53 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: Malls by the way, where kids hung out in the nineties. 54 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: And this is the point in the story where it 55 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: all goes sideways. 56 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: My brother is telling people at the mall that we're 57 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: having big house party, and so my friends start telling 58 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: other friends and it just turns into this whole big deal. 59 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: So before you know it, like there's a shitload of 60 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: people over here. There's people I don't recognize coming in, 61 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: Like he like, hey. 62 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: Who are you? Kids? Bring a lot of beer, a 63 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: lot of booze. It's a teenager reader organized more or 64 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: less by Larry Well. 65 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: The cops show up and they roll up hit their 66 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 2: lives automatically. Well, my brother is out here. 67 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: He's gesturing toward the townhouses where the field used to be. 68 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: He and like two or three was friends hall ass 69 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: like I see him running. I'm like, bro, where are 70 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: you going? Like we live here, Like what are you doing? 71 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: Larry doesn't hear them. It's too far away. And since 72 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: mom and dad aren't home, well, someone's got to talk 73 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: to the cops. 74 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: They're like, hey, you know who lives here? And I said, hey, sir, 75 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: I said, this is my house. I said, I don't 76 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 2: know who half these people are. It was just supposed 77 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: to be a small group of friends. And all these 78 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: people started showing up. I said, I appreciate you're showing up, 79 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: but I want most of them to leave. So they're 80 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: going through every room. One of my brother's friends I remember, 81 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: was in the room. He got shit faced, he was 82 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: throwing up and they're like, who's this kid. I'm like, 83 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: that's my brother's friend. I didn't know he was drinking, Sir, 84 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, And he was like, well, all this alcohol 85 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: needs to go, and and all these people need to go. 86 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 2: If we get called back over here, we're taking people 87 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: to jail. 88 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: I was like, yes, sir. 89 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: So Gabe shuts it down, kicks everyone out, but he 90 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: can't find Larry. 91 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 3: They're still hiding. 92 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 2: The cops leave and they finally start. I was like, 93 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: what are you doing? 94 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: He's like, bro, the cops. 95 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is our house. We live here. Why 96 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: are you running from the cops. 97 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know. We just we just saw 98 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: the cops and we ran. 99 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, get your ass in the house. Did you 100 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: get in trouble? No, nobody found out. Dad didn't. 101 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: Nobody knew. 102 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: So where was the house where your parents would have 103 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: the parties? Oh? That was in Freeport. 104 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, we can, we can get a Freeport. 105 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: We spent more than an hour driving around this little 106 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: patch of Brazoria County. Gabe's an excellent tour guide. There's 107 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: the Burger place where he used to work, and here's 108 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: the peewee ball field where he played second base, and 109 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: that's the high school and the rich kids went to 110 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. But we didn't find all the 111 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: places he lived, because well, there were quite a few. 112 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: As long as I can remember, it was every year 113 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: and a half to two years we were moving to 114 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: another house, and it was always a rental property. I 115 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: take you back. There was one time I was probably 116 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: twelve years old and my parents bought a house in 117 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: Clute and we lived there probably two years before it 118 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: got four closed on, so then we had to move. 119 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: And all of those moves they never went very far. 120 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: Gabe was born in Freeport, at the far edge of 121 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: Brassouria County, right up against the golf shoreline, and the 122 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: family shuffled around there until they bought that house in 123 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: Clute when Gabe was twelve. But Clute is just the 124 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: next town over as you're drifting inland, and Lake Jackson, 125 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: where that house party was, is just on the other 126 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: side of Clute, So really those are distinctions without a difference. 127 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: That part of Brezoria County, the part of the Ortiz 128 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: family lived in all kind of smears together into one 129 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: worn out strip of low buildings and trailer parks straddling 130 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: Highway to eighty eight and surrounded by chemical plants and refineries. 131 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: The other end, closer to Houston, has been booming as 132 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: the metro area spread south. That sprawl hasn't quite made 133 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: it to the coast. Gabe's father, Alario, which everyone anglicized 134 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: to Larry Larry Senior was an itinerant welder, a good one, 135 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: but the work was piecemeal. Gabe's mother, Gloria, she worked 136 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: when she could, clerical, retail and eventually with the local schools. 137 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: They were a working class family in a good year 138 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: and maybe a few dollars short of that and a 139 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: bad one. Gabe was their first child, born in the 140 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: late spring of nineteen seventy three. 141 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 4: And so Gabe was like, Oh my gosh, you was 142 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 4: so spoiled. 143 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: This is mom Gloria. She's remarried now, so she's Gloria Duarte. 144 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 4: When he was born, everybody was just, you know, happy, 145 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 4: and was all excited because that was the first grandson 146 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 4: in my family. In both sites, I couldn't take them 147 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 4: away from my mom's arms. 148 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: I remember grandmother taking me with her like everywhere. 149 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: His memories, like every toddler's memories, are fuzzy. He has 150 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: only snapshots, highlights such as they were. 151 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: I remember her taking me to like a bar at 152 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: an early age. I remember, I remember my grandmother gave me. 153 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: She gave me a shot of beer, like in a 154 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: shot glass. It's just her and I. I remember her 155 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: driving one time and me falling out of the backseat 156 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: of a car and rolling down some railroad tracks. 157 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: Five days before Gabe's fourth birthday, Larry was born, and 158 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: four years after that his sister Alicia came along. The 159 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: memories of those years are obviously clearer sharper. He remembers 160 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: a playground fight when he got a nose bloodied in 161 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: pre k, he's a tough neighborhood. He also remembers winning 162 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: the reading contest in first grade, read more books than 163 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: anyone else in the whole class. And then there were 164 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: the parties. 165 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: I do remember the house being full of smoke and 166 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: it's all you can smell is marijuana. 167 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: When I asked Gabe about his childhood, this is the 168 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: first thing he mentioned. He wasn't complaining or judging. He 169 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: was just explaining how, with some regularity he would hear loud, 170 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 1: happy voices at night and he'd crawled to bed to 171 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: see what all the huha was about. 172 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: If we stepped out of the room, you know, mom 173 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: or Dad were like, hey, get back in your room. 174 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: And I recall even a line or two of cocainew 175 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: I don't know if my parents did cocaine, but I 176 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 3: just remember them being some heavy partiers and drinkers at 177 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: an early age. That that changed. When I was about 178 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: nine years old. 179 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: What happened. 180 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: Somebody came out of the house with these flyers about 181 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: this vacation Bible school for a couple of weeks out 182 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 3: of the summer, and we decided to go. I think 183 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: it was a way for Mom to get us out 184 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 3: of the house and then, you know, keep us occupied 185 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 3: over the summer. It was the first Assembly of God 186 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 3: of Freeport, and aside from having to get up really early, 187 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: it was actually pretty enjoyable. You know. It was really 188 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: my first real exposure to you know, being taught about 189 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ and you know, you're becoming a born again 190 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 3: Christian and all these different things. 191 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: Gabe and Larry liked it so much that after vacation 192 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: Bible School they kept going. They joined the Royal Rangers 193 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: kind of a Cub Scouts for the Assembly of godcrowd. 194 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: On Sundays, a church bus would pick them up and 195 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: take them to Sunday school and to worship service and 196 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: then whatever the Royal Rangers were doing that afternoon. They 197 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: went by themselves for months riding the bus, these two brothers, 198 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: and then in the spring the church announced the contest. 199 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: It was a membership drive. Whichever kid could bring in 200 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: the most people to a specific service would be awarded 201 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: a brand new BMX bike. 202 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: And I remember they had this BMX bike on displayed 203 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: in the lobby of the church, and I was like, man, 204 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: I want to win that bike. And I knew I 205 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 3: had a big family. 206 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: Huge aunts, uncles, cousins, a lot of family in Brazaria. 207 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: And so I started just one by one and you know, 208 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: asking family if they wanted to, you know, come to 209 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 3: church and visit on this particular day, this Pictaclar Sunday, 210 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: so I could try to win this bike. 211 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: The boys invited me, Gabe and Larry because they were 212 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 4: going to have a special for Mother's Day and they 213 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 4: wanted me to say, please, Mom, you know, come on, 214 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 4: you know there's going to be we're going to do 215 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 4: this special. And he said especially for the month, you know, 216 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: and he said if you're not there, you know we're 217 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 4: going to be the only ones that doesn't have them 218 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 4: all there. And so I said, okay, I yes, I 219 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 4: said I'll go. That was the best decision I ever made, 220 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 4: because I started and right away noticing you know that 221 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 4: my boys were so happy there. They were so happy. 222 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 4: And when they saw me there, you know that, you know, 223 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 4: they were real excited because I showed up. And so 224 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 4: then after that I made the decision, you know, to 225 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 4: become a Christian. I gave my heart to the Lord 226 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 4: Jesus Christ. 227 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: My complete coincidence or maybe divine intervention, Lario dad was 228 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: having his own spiritual awakening. 229 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 4: Well, when we would be in church, he would be 230 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 4: watching seven hundred Club at home, with seven hundred Club 231 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 4: as telephone prayer counselor standing by twenty four hours a 232 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 4: day to answer your call. And we didn't. I didn't 233 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 4: even know it. And so just watching see hundred Club, 234 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 4: he he received a Jesus crisis, his savior. 235 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: And then everything changed. Gloria and Alario. Mom and dad 236 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: went all in for the Lord, or their interpretation thereof. 237 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 4: If we were going to set examples as a mom 238 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 4: and dad Christian mom and dad, we needed to do 239 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 4: it the correct way and we were going to follow. 240 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 4: We were going to follow one hundred percent. My husband did. 241 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 4: He said, Okay, we got to get rid of this, 242 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 4: and we got to get rid of that. We cleaned 243 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 4: up house, and so things really changed for. 244 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: A bright little boy whose house too often smells like weed. 245 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: This is practically a miracle. 246 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: It was great. We're like, hey, they're not partying, they're 247 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: not drinking, they're they're living this life for the Lord 248 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: and doing all these things that you know, I felt 249 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: were the right things to do and how to be 250 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: a good parents. 251 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: As First Corinthians tells us, when I was a child, 252 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: I talked like a child, I thought like a child, 253 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: I reasoned like a child. So yeah, nine year old 254 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: Gabe thought this was great. Teenage game is not going 255 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: to be happy. Gab Arties was nine years old and 256 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: his brother Larry was five when the whole family found Jesus, 257 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: and their parents' lifestyle abruptly, immediately and radically changed. There's 258 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: no more drinking, no more drugs, more time with the kids. 259 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 3: Their idea of joy was, you know, going to church 260 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: as often as possible. 261 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: At first, it was great, jarring, perhaps that sort of 262 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: wild behavioral swing, but great. Then a couple of years 263 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: go by, Gabe's growing up coming into his teens. What 264 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: was once soothing, this faith that made his family seem 265 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: safe and stables now smothering. 266 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: We couldn't watch things on television, we couldn't hang out 267 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: with certain people. We couldn't listen to secular music, you know, 268 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 3: like John Cougar, Mellencamp. I mean like anybody on secular 269 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 3: radio we were not able to listen to. 270 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: At first, gave tries to adapt. He looks for loopholes, workarounds. 271 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: For instance, he goes to the local Christian bookstore and 272 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: buys himself a cassette. This was the eighties. That's where 273 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: a thing of an ostentatiously Christian band called Striper, and it. 274 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 3: Was rock, it was Christian. All the lyrics were about God. 275 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 3: And I remember Dad telling me that the devil was 276 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: trying to get into Christian music and that rock, that 277 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: that group was being manipulated by Satan. And I was like, 278 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: I can't do anything right here. I'm really trying. 279 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: Any kid is going to be frustrated by a parent 280 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: vetoing his or her taste in music or close friends, whatever. 281 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: But for a kid like Gabe who grew up in 282 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: the house he grew up in, that frustration is going 283 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: to be especially intense. Teenage Gabe isn't asking for much 284 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: power chords and a four to four backbeat affect simile 285 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: of all the music as friends listened to so when 286 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: his father, his reformed, post partying father, says, no, that's 287 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: not just frustrating, it's infuriating. It's hypocrisy and idiocy all 288 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: at once. 289 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: I just felt like my dad just got locked in 290 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 3: and just you know, had this really, really this strong 291 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: belief that you know, that everything was the devil was 292 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: attacking us, The devil was attacking our family, and you know, 293 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: there were all these generational curses things that were happening 294 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: in our family, and oh, that's the. 295 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: Devil, generational curses, that's Old Testament material, Deuteronomy, numbers, Exodus, 296 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: the whole angry jealous God routine. He's gonna punish your 297 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: kids and your grandkids and your great grandkids for whatever 298 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: you did that might have displeased him. And that raises 299 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: the question of what exactly a Lario thought was cursing 300 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: his family through the generations. Gabe didn't know, not then 301 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: and not when I asked him about it all these 302 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: years later. Maybe alcohol. There were some cirrhosis level alcoholics 303 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: in the extended family, but that didn't really make sense 304 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: because Lario stopped drinking once he found Jesus. In any case, 305 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: young Gabe was not concerned with generations yet to come 306 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: or those gone by. He was, like most kids, focused 307 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: in the moment, and in the moment his parents are 308 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: really starting to suck. 309 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 4: You know. 310 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: As an early team, we're wanting to go to hang 311 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 3: out with friends or go to the movies, and they're like, no, 312 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 3: you can't can allow you to do that. I mean, 313 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: we don't want you hanging out with these people, and 314 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 3: very strange. So at some point, probably fifteen, we started 315 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 3: to rebel at least I did. I'm the older one, right, 316 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 3: so I got a little rebellious and started testing the 317 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 3: waters and going to parties with friends and drinking a 318 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: little bit and obviously doing things that were, you know, 319 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 3: not very Christian. 320 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: So the theology here is debatable, but as a practical matter, 321 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: the more Gabe's parents cracked down in him, the more 322 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: he pushed back, and it was taking a toll. Gabe 323 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: had always been in the gifted classes, honor roll, student counsul, 324 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: the whole package, but in high school his grades are 325 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: slipping a lot. In his senior year, a teacher tells 326 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: him he might not even graduate because he never shows 327 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: up curiously enough. Grades weren't really an issue at home, 328 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: neither of his parents graduated from high school, so they 329 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: figured as long as Gabe was passing from one grade 330 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: to the next, he was probably fine. And Gabe did 331 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: graduate from high school barely, but that's all that counts. 332 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: Where they were butting heads Gabe and his parents was 333 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: over all the other stuff, sneaking out of the house, 334 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: drinking beer, chasing girls, and as it gets older, all 335 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: of those things escalate. 336 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: I'd become so rebellious to the point where grounding didn't 337 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 3: work anymore. I was getting kicked out of the house, 338 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: staying with friends, you know, CouchSurfing, just bouncing around, and 339 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: you know, I'd check in with mom every now and 340 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 3: then and she's like, hey, your dad said you can 341 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 3: come back home. And then I'd go back home, and 342 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 3: you know, repeat the cycle. 343 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: Little brother Larry is watching all of this. He and 344 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: Gab have always been close since the day Gloria brought 345 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: Larry home from the hospital when they were younger, when 346 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: they were both still kids nine and five, eleven and seven. 347 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: Gabe was Larry's mentor, his role model, his idol. 348 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: Brother and I we ran around the neighborhood on riding 349 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 3: bikes and you know, building tree houses. You know he's 350 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 3: four years younger, but you know, he wanted to follow 351 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: his big brother. 352 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: But now Gabe is eighteen and Larry's fourteen. 353 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: He was always, you know, trying to be right by 354 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 3: my side, and you know sometimes like hey, go hang 355 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 3: out with your friends. You know, the little brother just 356 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: wants to hang around and becomes more of a nuisance. 357 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: And so he tried to hang around with us. But 358 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: he just always looked up to me and always wanted 359 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 3: to kind of imitate what I was doing. 360 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: What Gabe was doing at that point was getting kicked 361 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: out of the house. 362 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 3: I think he kind of started to see the rebellion 363 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: and so that probably left an impression with him. 364 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: After high school, Gabe is a drift. He doesn't know 365 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: what he wants to do. He could learn a trade, 366 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: like say, welding, like his father, but that didn't really appeal. 367 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: Dad worked out in a lot of the chemical plants 368 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: and ore refineries, and I was out there for a 369 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 3: couple of summers as his helper. And is not fun, 370 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 3: not enjoyable. 371 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: No, not for a kid or a lot of adults either. 372 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: For Gabe, there's too much stuff to carry, and it's 373 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: always swampy, hot and the job starts early and ends late, 374 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: and everything smells like poison. It's physically demanding labor that 375 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: is actually laborious and moderately dangerous, but not in an 376 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: exciting way like skydiving. And when you're the helper, you 377 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: don't even get the satisfaction of knowing you laid down 378 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: a clean stringer bead. So, not knowing what he wanted 379 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: to do, Gabe enrolled in Brazosport Community College. It was local, affordable, 380 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: and he could figure things out, and he started to 381 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: He was intrigued by a computerated design, by engineering graphics, 382 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. He thought that someday maybe he 383 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: could be an architect. His dad even bought him a 384 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: drafting table for his room. But college, even community college, 385 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: requires some basic coursework math, English, the basics. But Gabe 386 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: didn't want to do the basics, so we didn't go. 387 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: And he got away with it too, for one semester 388 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: and a second until a rainy and his third semester. 389 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: Rain is an important detail because his dad was working 390 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: an outside job and rain meant he got sent home 391 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: for the day. And when he came home, he looked 392 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: at the. 393 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 3: Mail and I was still in bed and there's probably 394 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: nine ten o'clock in the morning. Dad comes in, goes 395 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: into my room and he says, hey, Meil, you know, 396 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: hey son, no school today. And I said, oh, yeah, no, Dad, 397 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 3: I don't have any class today. He's like, okay, well, 398 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 3: why don't you get dressed and let's go grab some breakfast. 399 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, So I get up, hop in the truck. 400 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 3: We're driving to go grab breakfast, and he tosses an 401 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 3: envelope in my lap and I'm like, I see on 402 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: the outside of it it says Brows's support Community College. 403 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: And so I have an idea of what it might be. 404 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 3: I open it up. But he says, hey, so looks 405 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 3: like you've been dropped from all your classes and this 406 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: is you're in your third semester, and you know you're 407 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 3: wasting your time and my money because Dad was paying 408 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 3: for college for me, and I know, you know, we 409 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 3: weren't rich by any stretch. We were probably lower class. 410 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 3: And he says, after breakfast, we're going to go talk 411 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: to somebody. 412 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: Gabe and his dad slide into a diner for breakfast. 413 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: Gab orders breakfast, tacos and coffee. He doesn't like coffee, 414 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: but his father does black two sugars, and Gabe is 415 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: consciously trying to mirror him, maybe find a little common 416 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: ground before this morning completely falls apart. And he took 417 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: his time too. If you know there's a dreary thing 418 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: just over the horizon, there's really no need to rush. 419 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: That must have been a very long breakfast. 420 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 3: It really was a long breakfast. 421 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: They finally finish and get back in Dad's truck. 422 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: Dad said, if you don't go to college or find 423 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 3: something else to do with your life, you're gonna be 424 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: working out here with me in the plant. And so 425 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: we pull up to the military recruiting office, which is 426 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 3: in a shopping strip next to Academy and Gold Gym. Honestly, 427 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 3: I probably would have talked to any one of the services, 428 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 3: but the only guy that was standing in there at 429 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 3: the time was the Air Force guy. So we walk 430 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 3: in and the recruiter says, how can I help you, 431 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 3: and Dad says, yeah, my son wants to talk to 432 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 3: you about the service. And I was like, okay, well, 433 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: I'll play this game. 434 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: So Gabe talks to the recruiter. He even agrees to 435 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: take the ASVAB that's the Arms Services occasional aptitude battery test. 436 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: It's one of the things the military uses to figure 437 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: out what you might be good at. It turns out 438 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: Gabe is qualified for satellite communications, which sounds pretty cool. 439 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: This is nineteen ninety two, so satellites are hardly a 440 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: new thing, but the technology is evolving practically by the minute. 441 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: This could be cutting edge stuff. Gabe puts that down 442 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: as his first choice for an Air Force specialty, satellites. 443 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: A week or so later, the recruiter calls him. He 444 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: tells Gabe that if he sticks with satellite communications, they'll 445 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: be a six month delay before he can even go 446 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: to basic training. 447 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 3: But your second choice security police. He said, we can 448 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: probably send you off in about thirty days, and so 449 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 3: I tell Dad, hey, Dad. Recruiter calls back and says 450 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 3: that if I want to become a security police officer, 451 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 3: then I can leave in thirty days. He says, well, Son, 452 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 3: I guess you're going to become a security police officer. 453 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 3: Dad knew that if I didn't get out of there, 454 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 3: I would I was on a downward spiral, and so 455 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 3: I was going in thirty days off to Lackland Air 456 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 3: Force Base at San Antonio. Certainly had it not been 457 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 3: for Dad taking me to the recruiting office. Yeah, my 458 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 3: life could have been completely different. 459 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: Not long after, Game enlists the remaining where Tis family 460 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: moves again, this time into a double wide trailer. Larry 461 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: is fifteen, Alicia's eleven, and then one afternoon their mom, Gloria, 462 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: she hears crying from somewhere in the near distance. 463 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 4: I wonder if it's the TV, or its next door 464 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 4: or what. And so I'm go to the rooms and 465 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 4: Larry had his room and I see Larry just sitting 466 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 4: on the bed. I'll go in there and I go, 467 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 4: what's wrong, son, where are you crying? And he's just 468 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 4: like right away, you know, he wips cheers quickly because 469 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 4: he don't want me seeing him. And he says he 470 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 4: left me. And I said, who who left you? He said, 471 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 4: Gabe left me, Mom, Gabe left me my best friend. 472 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 4: He said, I miss him, and I don't think I 473 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 4: never could have her around. I need that things were 474 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 4: not going to be the same. Things were not going 475 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 4: to be the same as whether we were when they 476 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 4: were together at home, things were going to start changing. 477 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: Coming up on this season of The Brothers Your Teas, 478 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: there was. 479 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 3: An animal I'll never find another friend like that, and 480 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 3: where we're from and where we grew up, you can't 481 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 3: afford to be pass it. 482 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 4: Took us under his wing and showed us the game 483 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 4: as they call it. Bought a car for everybody, bought 484 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 4: the house. 485 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: Money would burn a hole in his pocket. 486 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: Wasn't nobody going to push him in a corner? 487 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 4: That's just how my boy is he gonna he gonna 488 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 4: push that line for the cause. 489 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: Part of me felt like at some point something like 490 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 3: this would. 491 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 4: Happen, Like my mom started screaming my dad's name and 492 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 4: I just heard one punch shot. I know that at 493 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 4: that time, you know somebody's calling you something's wrong, and 494 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 4: it was kissy. That screen is something that I'll never forget. 495 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: It's like a bucket of crabs. You know, just as 496 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: the crab is almost out of the bucket, you get 497 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 3: somebody that pulls you right back in. 498 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: The Brothers Orties is a production from Campsite Media in 499 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: partnership with iHeart Podcasts. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 500 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. The Brothers Ortiz was written, reported, 501 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: and hosted by me Sean Flynn. Lane Rose is our 502 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: Senior Producer, Story editing by Audrey Quinn, sound design, mix 503 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: and engineering by Garrett Tiedeman, original music by Garretteeedeman. 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