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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast is still.

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Speaker 2: Working on the theology podcast from the Chris Westling podcast studio.

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Speaker 2: It's Around the NFL. I Am Dan hansis Heroes here,

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Speaker 2: Greg rosehal Mark Sessler.

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Speaker 3: Part two of our season preview Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Around the AFC in exactly forty eight minutes Today, Around

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Speaker 2: the NFC in exactly forty eight minutes and plus time outs,

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Speaker 2: plus time outs and TV timeouts at the chort least

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Speaker 2: one and then NFL media sanctioned timeouts.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna notice when it lands in your feed.

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Speaker 2: Wait, why is this one hour and twenty seven minutes

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Speaker 2: not really our fault?

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Speaker 3: It's out of our hands.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's the top of the show, there's the ads,

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Speaker 1: there's the NFL plush Reid.

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Speaker 2: You know who's gonna be super mad live local games?

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Speaker 2: Scott Hanson.

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Speaker 4: Well he'd know, or he may find it delightful that

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Speaker 4: it's going on longer than that.

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Speaker 2: Scott is a straight shooter, an honest man. And if

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Speaker 2: it's gonna say in forty eight minutes in the title

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Speaker 2: and then it's one twenty seven, we might lose Hanson.

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Speaker 1: No, well, no, I think so. I mean to him,

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Speaker 1: what's an hour and a half. That's that's nothing. He

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Speaker 1: also seen.

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Speaker 3: I mean in terms of pe breaks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, just in terms of like a length

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Speaker 1: of a show. He's used to nine ten hours. But

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Speaker 1: he also seems like someone who would listen on two

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Speaker 1: point twenty five speed. I don't know why that is,

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Speaker 1: but I just imagine him on like on a treadmill

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Speaker 1: lifting weights, listening to us on two point twenty five

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Speaker 1: to be like.

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Speaker 3: This is a fit test. Did a Hanson test?

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Speaker 2: Yeahah, because Hanson famously reached out to me privately asked

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Speaker 2: about these episodes specifically, and we've been constantly talking about

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Speaker 2: him ever since. Will he hit me up with a

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Speaker 2: text about, Hey, guys, here's the speed I listened to. Hey,

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Speaker 2: I was offended by the lengthy episode or I wasn't. Hey,

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Speaker 2: I haven't pee since you we texted four to eight.

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Speaker 4: I think I think I would imagine that he peas

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Speaker 4: regularly when not on that show.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I never saw that one. That's not

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Speaker 5: a life thing.

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Speaker 4: I says, a life thing that's a certain day of

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Speaker 4: the week during a certain part.

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Speaker 2: Of the year.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't need it. Ben doesn't even have indoor plumbing.

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Speaker 5: Not necessary, it's not necessary at all.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we're gonna get to the NFC in

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Speaker 2: just a moment, and we're gonna bring in our buddy

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Speaker 2: Shook to help us out as the fourth just like

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Speaker 2: Clayban was a mensch for the AFC. But before we

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Speaker 2: get to that, the NFL world lost a giant, a

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer Gil Brandt, passed away at the age

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Speaker 2: of ninety one on Thursday. Gil is seen as the

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Speaker 2: godfather of modern scouting. He was the guy before the

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Speaker 2: Jarra era in Dallas that built up America's team, the

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Speaker 2: Roger Staubach Cowboys of the seventies and eighties and kind

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Speaker 2: of seen as a forefather of the scouting combine and

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Speaker 2: the using using data and he was like he kind

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Speaker 2: of introduced, shepherded in the idea of using computers and

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Speaker 1: It was like the original Draftnick the.

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Speaker 2: Original Draftnick Well said Gregi and also in later years

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Speaker 2: of his career was at NFL Media and we can

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Speaker 2: get into it Mark and Greg. But Gil was kind

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Speaker 2: back and forth with Gil. So yes, Gil leaves us

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Speaker 2: this week and it's very sad. But what a life

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Speaker 2: for Gilbrandt.

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Speaker 4: I mean, because there's the historical Gilbrandt and everything you mentioned.

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Speaker 4: There are some incredible NFL films documentaries about how the

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Speaker 4: Combine came to be, and he's obviously front and center,

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Speaker 4: and like I learned a lot from that because we

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Speaker 4: But it was an unusual situation for us because we

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Speaker 4: And it's like other people were like, holy crap, Like

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Speaker 4: But he'd come up to us and just sort of

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Speaker 4: just start rattling our job was to take note verbal

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Speaker 4: off names and forty times. And I remember being like,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to take this phone call because he's

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Speaker 4: just going he's unhinged with information.

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Speaker 5: So it's like someone else will take the call, but.

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Speaker 2: Like, well, the problem was and I think an in

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Speaker 2: that was a call that you would get. And it

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Speaker 2: would be like if you grew, if you kind of

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Speaker 2: did newspaper reporting like I did part time in early days,

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Speaker 2: because your agate would be a forty minute reporting of

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Speaker 2: every event. Gil was so thorough and what happened was

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Speaker 2: and it happened to you too, Mark. But I think

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Speaker 2: in retrospect I look back on it with fondness because

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Speaker 2: I think about where we started the company, where we

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Speaker 2: are now. He would ask for us, He would start

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Speaker 2: calling and ask for his marketer, his Dan there for

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Speaker 2: us to do because he liked our write ups and

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Speaker 2: in general. I always thought he was a very nice guy.

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Speaker 2: Every time I spoke with him, he was very friendly.

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Speaker 2: He would always be at the Super Bowl in the

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Speaker 2: I'd be looking at Gil. What is Gil doing? And

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Speaker 2: I'd ask Gil, what are you doing? As the guys

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Speaker 2: are warming up on the field. Gil'll be like, I'm

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Speaker 2: that seems insane. But Greg, he a system and that

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Speaker 2: maybe didn't make sense to us. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: He like took ownership of the Combine in the draft.

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Speaker 1: I remember I was writing one thing and going to

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Speaker 1: And he felt that way about the Combine. But I

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Speaker 1: think of him not primarily, but like the reason he's

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Speaker 1: changed scouting in terms of using computers and using data

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Speaker 1: and specifically black players. And I think about the Legacy

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Speaker 1: Bawl which is happened in at my old Alba Mada

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Speaker 1: from a team perspective in bringing in black players from

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Speaker 1: he was doing it because it was in the Cowboys'

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Speaker 1: That's not something we did.

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Speaker 2: You could even hear it. It was like an old

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Speaker 2: Kind of put the phone and then you hear hell

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Speaker 2: out and then he just there's your twenty five minute

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Speaker 4: Oh I no, I treasure it now because it's like,

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Speaker 4: you know, we haven't seen it. We hadn't seen him

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Speaker 4: I one other little thing that he used to do,

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Speaker 4: they're gonna ride? They don't tell anyone, so you can

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Speaker 5: Like I don't know?

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Speaker 2: Then like bang mantitaio. That reminds me of the other thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he was a figure with major clout at

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Speaker 2: this media group. Like with the NFL draft, he would

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Speaker 2: be the one who you learned from, like who was

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Speaker 3: To the draft, He's pick me there, he would select them.

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Speaker 2: And as Gil passed away at ninety one, this is

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Speaker 2: he was in his eighties and he was still kind of,

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Speaker 2: There was some controversy later.

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Speaker 1: And I never forgave him for that first day him

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Speaker 1: in that no joke. Everyone thought Aaron Rodgers is going

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Speaker 2: There was some controversy later in his life and even

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Speaker 2: made on the radio. And I remember thinking myself, like,

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Speaker 2: Gil should have never been even in that spot because

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Speaker 2: he knew he was getting older and slowing down. And

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Speaker 2: I remember thinking he shouldn't have said that.

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Speaker 3: But I kind of thought to.

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Speaker 2: Myself, shame on them for putting him in that position,

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Speaker 2: and you didn't really hear from him much after that,

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Speaker 2: And I kind of that bums me out a little bit.

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Speaker 3: That was like his final, like public spotlight moment.

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Speaker 1: He did get to make the Hall of Fame. It

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Speaker 1: was only four years ago to have that moment. I

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Speaker 1: even remember thinking at the time, felt like eighty seven

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Speaker 1: years old to have that sort of moment. Not many

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Speaker 1: people get to have that, especially someone that loves a

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Speaker 1: good way to look at it, That is kind of

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Speaker 1: the legacy. In the PostScript on his career, gil Brandt

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Speaker 1: passes away at the age of ninety one.

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Speaker 2: Rest in peace, friend. All Right, with that said, let's

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Speaker 2: bring in a man that we also enjoy, another friend,

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Speaker 2: another friend. It's amazing he could even make time for us,

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Speaker 2: It's just drive. It's relentless drive. And that's what's got

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Speaker 1: I suggested, did you do.

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Speaker 2: This entire episode in your Schwarzenegger impression that that would

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Speaker 4: At least do at least one team fully in that voice.

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Speaker 2: It's you know now that I'm looking at Chuck and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, which I never took as a compliment.

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Speaker 3: No, it never was. But Shook, if you ever wanted

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that that's what Shook looks like.

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Speaker 4: I just didn't know what which you know, boxing opponent

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Speaker 3: Shoo cutting, I mean that shook king hippo.

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Speaker 5: What is it not pc to suggest that Russians.

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 6: I had nothing further to that.

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Speaker 2: We start with the defending conference champion Philadelphia Eagles and

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Speaker 2: Mark Sessler.

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Speaker 4: All right, nobody has repeated as NFC East winners in

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Speaker 5: The Eagles always find a way.

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Speaker 4: They're offensive and defensive lines or this defense had seventy

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Speaker 4: Sam Monson at PFF noted that the entire Eagles backfield

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Speaker 1: Just like bad luck? I mean, because they did win

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Speaker 3: I love them.

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Speaker 1: I think their weaknesses are not that important golf ball linebacker,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts show that he's like the Super Bowl Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts like that is all possible? That they get better

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Speaker 6: Shookie, I mean, the one thing I worry about last

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 6: It's great that they draft well, and it's great that

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Speaker 2: Five.

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Speaker 6: I'm not necessarily saying that they're gonna slump, but it's

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Speaker 2: This year, it felt like such a special season for

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Speaker 2: kind of get the feeling of Jalen Hurts gets that

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Speaker 2: They probably are the defending champions right now. Maybe that

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Speaker 2: They're still hungry and angry how that game turned out,

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Speaker 2: but I'm with you, guys. I feel like and credit

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Speaker 2: to Howie Roseman escaped the Pocono's and has built this

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Speaker 2: hard to imagine any team, like picking any team with

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and people point to like two new coordinators, Sean

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Speaker 1: Fans are happy they don't have Jonathan Geint.

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Speaker 5: I think so too.

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Speaker 4: But Brian Johnson, they're QB coach who's now the OC

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Speaker 4: I don't think this transition is a problem.

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Speaker 3: He called timeouts earlier.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I got it.

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Speaker 3: I gotta call it early.

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Speaker 5: Time did this yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I think it's important because you who did you just

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Speaker 3: Distinction.

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Speaker 4: Do you mean like a bad I think he's like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, good, A good way if you just.

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Speaker 3: Call someone an mfort it's almost like the worst insult.

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Speaker 5: This is a good time out to clarify the language.

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Speaker 3: But maybe you mean he's a bad like a terrible guy.

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Speaker 5: I just heard that he is talented and commands.

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Speaker 4: He's a bad Yeah, that it's not like a step

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Speaker 4: down that it's like this guy is going to come

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Speaker 4: who knows what the sky what the limit is of it?

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Speaker 3: You know why I didn't want to leave our audience

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Speaker 3: at all confused with what you were saying.

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Speaker 1: Mother, I forget who it is. Is it McCarthy like

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Speaker 3: Now, that's me Greg. The Dallas Cowboys, all right.

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Speaker 1: I was putting together the NFL dot Com predictions and

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Speaker 1: I struggled with, well, maybe the Cowboys are that team

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Speaker 1: And then and then I was like I kind of

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Speaker 1: don't know what this team's problem is other than the

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what a thing that that disappoints is

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Speaker 6: you know, it doesn't matter what they informed Dak or not.

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Speaker 6: I think that the confidence in him is a little

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Speaker 6: in the playoffs. Not necessarily, but if you're talking about

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Speaker 6: getting to a super Bowl, you got to have consistent play,

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Speaker 6: turnover free play from your quarterback. They just didn't get

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Speaker 4: And I would say also when he has to come

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Speaker 4: your desire to make fiery throws. That if you've become

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Speaker 4: too conservative. And I also wonder with Mike McCarthy calling plays,

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Speaker 4: Kellen Moore was a tend to be quite aggressive and

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Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy clock management issues were always an issue in

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Speaker 2: So I says positive or not well depends. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it was more behind the is the way these two

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Speaker 2: I thought you made a good point the other day,

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Speaker 2: Mark that there does seem to be a heaviness around

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Speaker 2: Prescott and a weariness almost like it's toughy in the

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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys quarterback, especially when the years start to pile

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Speaker 2: up and you haven't done anything substantial as a team.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a big year for Dak and I

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Speaker 2: do think Greg that as much as like everyone just said, Okay,

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Speaker 2: they got Brandon cook so they addressed that, the missing playmaker.

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Speaker 2: That's the only thing. I like this team a lot,

441
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,240
Speaker 2: and I think they're going to give the Eagles a

442
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,639
Speaker 2: real run for their money potentially. But I don't know

443
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,400
Speaker 2: if Cooks was the upgrade that made me feel like, Okay,

444
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:36,159
Speaker 2: they've addressed that.

445
00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,120
Speaker 1: Now he's looked good. But it's partly Jalen Tolbert look

446
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 1: good in camp, like Gallup is another year who we

447
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,919
Speaker 1: talked to on the podcast away from surgery. I just

448
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 1: think they have answers at almost every position on the

449
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 1: depth chart. Running back worries me a little bit, but

450
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,399
Speaker 1: if that's your biggest worry and you still have Tony Pollard,

451
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:53,000
Speaker 1: it's not that bad.

452
00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 2: The New York Giants, it was impossible even for Greg

453
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 2: not to have some begrudging respect for what the Giants

454
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,399
Speaker 2: pulled off. The g Men finished the DUMA and finished

455
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,159
Speaker 2: the regular season with a negative point differential negative DVOA,

456
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:18,719
Speaker 2: but they still had a winning record.

457
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 3: They claimed a wildcard.

458
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 2: Spot, they took out the paper Tiger Vikings in the

459
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: first round of the playoffs, and then reality a bit

460
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:28,880
Speaker 2: hard with the Eagles.

461
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 3: But you know that happens even with that slice of

462
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 3: humble pie.

463
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 2: The season was a success and few teams were coached

464
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,360
Speaker 2: up as well as New York A year ago. Day

465
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 2: Ball and DC winker back Daniel Jones signed long term.

466
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 2: Darren Waller joined Sakwe Barkley. It's a nice little NBA

467
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 2: jam style one two punch. The consensus theory here is

468
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: that the regression monster will bite hard. Greg's about to

469
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 2: say that, But if Dable and company are building something here,

470
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 2: is it possible the Giants get better that that was

471
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: a stepping stone year and they are in the mix

472
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Speaker 2: once more.

473
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Speaker 1: I think they could be better in the record wouldn't

474
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 1: be better just because the division. I think that's the

475
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: same with the Eagles too, and the Cowboys just because

476
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: of the schedule. I am torn because I think the

477
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: coaching staff is really good and on paper, I think

478
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: they are a better roster you're seeing now in year

479
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 1: two under Joe Shane some development. I am curious they're

480
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 1: starting two rookie corners on the outside. Deonda Banks first

481
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: round pick not a surprise there, Trey Hawkins sixth round pick,

482
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: who they just love. Those are your starting players in

483
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 1: a defense that puts a lot on their cornerbacks.

484
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the back seven on defense is a

485
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,239
Speaker 4: bit of a concern. I here's the thing though, like

486
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 4: how can they be better? Well, the reports on jail

487
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 4: At Hyatt are have been great, that he's been lighting

488
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 4: up camp like there's a different there's multiple there's multiverses

489
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 4: you could have gotten with Darren Waller, and all the

490
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 4: reporting on him is that he and Daniel Jones have

491
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 4: been fantastic together and Waller looks like the old Waller,

492
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 4: And I think it comes down to, like you know,

493
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 4: they were they were trying to focus on Daniel Jones

494
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 4: the pass or more at the end of last season

495
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 4: and they still is that running ability in that floor,

496
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 4: but do you get that Brian Dable Josh Allen type

497
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 4: of bump where you get more touchdowns and you keep

498
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 4: the ball safe, which has not been true of Daniel

499
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 4: Jones before last season. If he improves, I think this

500
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 4: team is a playoff team. I picked him as a

501
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 4: wild card team.

502
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: Spoiler spoiler for who.

503
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: For the people that are waiting for that Monday season predictions, I.

504
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 3: Mean the people who listen to the show for Nick.

505
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 5: All right, well, guys, that's too Mark.

506
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 6: All right, Well, I'm putting myself in line for a

507
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 6: dart here, and that's fine. But I feel like Johnny

508
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 6: Raincloud in this in this episode so far.

509
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: But Cleveland, this is gonna test eric'ssonic darts, right, I

510
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 1: just wasted ten seconds.

511
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 6: Basically, I'm gonna tell you this. I agree with everything

512
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 6: you guys just said. I think you have a great

513
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 6: coaching staff or roster on paper is better. They should

514
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 6: be better than they were last year. And yet for some reason,

515
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 6: I just feel like they're not going to be any

516
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 6: better and could be slightly worse. And it all comes

517
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 6: down to Daniel Jones. Maybe in a couple of years

518
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 6: you regret paying him. It's just I'm not inspired by

519
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 6: his play, even though they figured out how to kind

520
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 6: of get more out of him.

521
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: Than any other staff did time out?

522
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 5: What talk about clock management?

523
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: It happens, so it happens sometimes.

524
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 5: Is anyone else allowed to call it time out?

525
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: By the way, right, But you have to have no

526
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: when it got to do he turned it into a

527
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: TV timeout which never even had exactly real or I'm

528
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: not giving you this.

529
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 3: What is there an injury on the field or something,

530
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 3: that's the timeout?

531
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: We get three and at the end of each division

532
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: is a quarter break, there's a halftime break.

533
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 3: It's just these things you.

534
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: Have to know, all right, what is this for? What

535
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 1: do you need it for?

536
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 3: Finally, now I forgotten, shook. I forgot because you guys

537
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 3: don't let me focus.

538
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: All right, I'll let you focus. Will I say something?

539
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: It is a good sign if we're going to keep

540
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: talking giants that they were able to cut Jamison Crowder

541
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: and Cole Beasley out of camp. That actually felt to

542
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: me like, ooh, that's progress. Your receiver room actually stayed

543
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: healthy enough. Your young players are looking good enough that

544
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: you didn't have to keep the progress stoppers Cole Beasley

545
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: and Jamison Crowder were at this point a year ago,

546
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: those guys would have made the team.

547
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

548
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: The point I was gonna make was that Daniel Jones

549
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,959
Speaker 2: one of the big story. And this is an example

550
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: of how great the coaching was for the Giants last year.

551
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 2: And I Thinkdable got Coach of the Year. He deserved it,

552
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: he did right.

553
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, fumbling was a thank you.

554
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: Bumbling was a major issue for Jones in his for

555
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: initial three years in the league.

556
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 3: They changed the way they used him to protect him

557
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 3: just like Josh Allen struggled initially and then Brian da

558
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: will figure that out, and they said, all right, if

559
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 3: the first reason not there, get out of the pocket,

560
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 3: scramble and use your legs, pick up first downs that way,

561
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 3: and then you know when the pressure's coming, you're not

562
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: gonna hit the blindside hits as much. All that was

563
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 3: just so well done.

564
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: And my final point, I guess was just shook coaching

565
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: matters and the jump from Judge to Dable, the idea

566
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: that they can continue to build something because they might

567
00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: have unlocked Jones.

568
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 6: We'll see perhaps or that bump you get from good

569
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 6: coaching was what got them to where they were last year.

570
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 6: And now it's about personnel. And that's why I'm not confident.

571
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 6: It's just the fact that he boosted them to that point.

572
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 2: They totally should never give you guys. But I just

573
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: think someone has to say because it's such a kind

574
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: of boiled in take now to everyone's preseason conversation with

575
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: the Giants are not rolled.

576
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: Well, he's got him in the playoffs, Jody Batista. I

577
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: just who wrote the great bit of Gil Brandt on

578
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: the site, She's got the Giants in the playoffs. I

579
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: heard tweet that too, See Giants. So two people that

580
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: believe they give me twenty eighteen bills vibes. If you

581
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: remember Joe Shane who was there in Buffalo, they made

582
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs that first year with Tyrod Taylor. They set

583
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: the foundation. They had Josh Allen. The next year they

584
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: actually almost seemed better, but they didn't make the playoffs.

585
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: They were under five hundred.

586
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 3: The Washington commander is Nick Shook.

587
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 6: Ron Rivera has hitched his wagon despite my concerns about

588
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 6: a month ago, to a second year quarterback with only

589
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 6: one start under his belt. So we commenced to prove

590
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 6: it year where Sam Halle has to prove he deserved

591
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 6: the responsibility of being QB one. Chase Young, who played

592
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 6: in just twelve games in the last two seasons combined,

593
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 6: has to prove that he can stay healthy enough to

594
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 6: be worth paying or even pursuing next year, and right

595
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 6: now he's dealing with a stinger. In fact, Ron Rivera

596
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 6: today said, I have no idea what the doctor is

597
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 6: going to do, but I do know right now that

598
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 6: he's told him that he can continue to progress and

599
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 6: get himself ready to go. So he may not even

600
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 6: be ready for week one at this point. And speaking

601
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 6: of Ron Rivera, he has to prove to new ownership,

602
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 6: but he's still fit for the job. Hell, the franchise

603
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 6: might even change its nickname again. Everything's up in the

604
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 6: air right now. So I asked this question, is this

605
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 6: the start of a beautiful new era in Washington or

606
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 6: the final chapter of what could be Washington's great prelude

607
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 6: the Ladder?

608
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think Ron Rivera's in a tough spot.

609
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 4: And one of the reasons he's in a tough spot

610
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 4: is that the Commanders have had twelve starting quarterbacks since

611
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen. I mean twelve different passers. Like, that's how

612
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 4: you don't make progress. They've not found a guy. I

613
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 4: think though, if you have Sam Howell and he ends

614
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 4: up being as spicy as you know, hints and suggestions

615
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,239
Speaker 4: say he might be that can change everything. I mean,

616
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that saves Ron Rivera's job though. It

617
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 4: kind of feels like when Doug Collins got fired by

618
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 4: the Bulls because they knew they had this star in

619
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan and you get someone real in there to

620
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 4: coach him up.

621
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 5: Well, different sports though very different, but you.

622
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, it's the Jordan in this scenario.

623
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: Sam Howell, Well, we don't know speak. I don't think

624
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: not Michael Jordan. I'm not making that comparison.

625
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: Ron spoke with Bert Breer about the Week eighteen hal game,

626
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: and here is the Ronaverta quote. I kept saying, if

627
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: I would have known this, I would have played him sooner.

628
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 2: When you only have so much time to show it,

629
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: it's hard. I keep thinking, God, But after the game,

630
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 2: everything told me this kid. Give him the opportunity to

631
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: see what he does with it. Well, you wait until

632
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: week eighteen.

633
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 5: But that's what bugs me.

634
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, let's let's see if Rivera's eyes are right.

635
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: But that seems taking too much out of a one

636
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: game at the end of a season.

637
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: I think I think he looked good in the priests.

638
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense to give him a shot

639
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: and Sirian sure where they were. But to me, it's

640
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: not about him. It's about this defensive line. This is

641
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: year four for Ron Rivera. This defensive line has a

642
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: chance not just to be the best defensive line in

643
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: the league, but to be a defensive line that like

644
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: Commandos fans remember forever. The first year post Snyder, we

645
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: have Montes sweat who, to me, his power, his first step.

646
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: He's one of the most underrated players in the league.

647
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: To Ron Payin, a great player coming off a franchise

648
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: tag his best season. Jonathan Tate Allen a literal All Pro.

649
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: And Chase Young, the fourth best player on their defensive line,

650
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: was the number two overall pick and maybe now he's

651
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: healthy again. Like that group alone can be special, can

652
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: make them worth watching. And I'm pretty high on them.

653
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: We'll have to tell you how high on the next

654
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: show if they get rid of Young. At some point

655
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: Young and Sweaty is gone.

656
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: Oh he got it in.

657
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 5: I thought, that is absurd. I got it in by

658
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 5: the buzzer.

659
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: Let's go back then, you gonna let him talk back

660
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: to you like that?

661
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: That's what happens with the producers.

662
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: They shoot, they pull the trigger once and then they

663
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: can't stop.

664
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: I think we need back.

665
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 5: I can look at the clock like the tape on

666
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 5: that one.

667
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: I mean, pay attention America. That was a little social

668
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: commentary from the old Seussir. All right, that was the

669
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: NFC East.

670
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: Uh.

671
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: Let's now move to the NFC North. Right back to

672
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: you next shock with the Vikings.

673
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 6: All right, well, Minnesota. You called them a paper tagger earlier,

674
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 6: and I agree because last year's surprise certainly isn't getting

675
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 6: very much love this time around. Rightfully so. But it's

676
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 6: also hard to love a team with so many replacements.

677
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 6: Eric Kendricks is gone, Zadarius Smith get out of here,

678
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 6: Adam Feeling go enjoy the syboard because you ain't retiring

679
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 6: in Minnesota. Dalvin Cook probably the most, the highest profile

680
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 6: of them all, Haye, life sounds like a Christopher Cross

681
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 6: song from the eighties when you get cut between Minnesota

682
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 6: and New York City, WA. He liked the bright lights

683
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 6: of the Big Apple because you ain't see in the

684
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 6: northern vits anymore. My friend thirteen wins last year, thirty

685
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 6: first in total defense. There's a problem something here. Doesn't

686
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 6: match up out goes ed Donna tell In Brian Flores,

687
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 6: is his mastery of defense enough to propel them keep

688
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 6: them really afloat. I think after losing so many key

689
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 6: veterans on both sides of the ball, the offense will

690
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 6: be okay even without Dalvin Cook. He still got Justin Jefferson, TJ.

691
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 6: Hockinson just got paid. But I just feel like this team,

692
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 6: we knew it wasn't what.

693
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: Was the bad move though there. I loved all of

694
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: those moves. I think that was what a smart team

695
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: does is get rid of every single one of those

696
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: players you just mentioned. Yeah, but they all sounds positive.

697
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 6: It doesn't necessarily mean you win game.

698
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: But who was good out of that group that like

699
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: at their current salary? Maybe Cook, maybe that's it, but

700
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: he was making thirteen million dollars.

701
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: Dookaris.

702
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 5: I like Darius Smith's a good player.

703
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think the Vikings are clearly they're building

704
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 4: something different, and yet this is sort of like this

705
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 4: was the worst defense a year ago. Obviously there's not

706
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 4: a lot of evidence will be much better. They still

707
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: Harrison Smith, Byron Murphy can play. I think the thing

708
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: is that Flora is though uniformly. Everyone has talked about

709
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: how much they love his system, how much they love

710
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: playing for him. So if you can keep them around

711
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 4: after this year and you get into that second part

712
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: of the rebuild, I kind of like that from Minnesota

713
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 4: a lot.

714
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 5: I think Brian Flores should be a head coach.

715
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: I think they were smart, and the salary cap played

716
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: a role in this too, but I think they were

717
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: smart not to get sucked in by what happened last year.

718
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: Thirteen wins, You'll never see anything like that.

719
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 4: Well, eleven and zero in one score games, Yeah, that's

720
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 4: that is about as an anomaly show.

721
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: They're turning things over, figuring things out, letting Kirk Cousins

722
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: play out his contract.

723
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: I think these were all wise moves.

724
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: Why am I still though, kind of feeling in this

725
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 2: division they're laying in the weeds.

726
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: Yes, they could be in first place at the end

727
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: of November.

728
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: I just don't rule them out because I love the

729
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison pick. I think that offensively they could be

730
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: pretty dynamic and defensively a lot of times it's less

731
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: about just pure talent and more about energy and coaching,

732
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: and Flor's to me, is the perfect coach for an

733
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: under talented D. There's different coaches. It's like you want

734
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: with talented players, like he can scheme up a bad

735
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: group to be decent. I don't know if like he's

736
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: the guy you want, like doing all this crazy stuff

737
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: with the most talented group, But I think he could

738
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: do a lot with this one. I'm with you, young young secondary.

739
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: Though the worst team it was last.

740
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 5: Year, it's not like they're how they can't be that.

741
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: Lars is there, that's good, and they have justin Jefferson.

742
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: He'll win three games with them alone.

743
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: Detroit Lions.

744
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: I love teams that enjoy a successful building block season

745
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: and then they retain their brain trust. The Giants sime thing.

746
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: The Lions won eight of their last ten games, became

747
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: the talk of the league, and they returned this year

748
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: with Dan Campbell at head coach Ben Johnson and OC

749
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn running the d.

750
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: The draft was funky.

751
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: Jamiir Gibbs with twelfth twelfth overall seen as a reach

752
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: middle linebacker Jack Campbell at eighteen was seen a slightly

753
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: deranged and a clear Dan Campbell special, but other less

754
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: heralded moves were made. They overhauled the secondary that was

755
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: necessary for a d that improved as last year went along,

756
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: but still needed work offseason. Hype and the Detroit Lions

757
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: don't go together, but the logic here checks out that

758
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: projects them as the best team in the NFC North,

759
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: the most complete team ready to take that leap and

760
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: get to the playoffs. So why can't I see it?

761
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: I could see it here.

762
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 5: I don't know.

763
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 4: I think, like, I think it's sort of natural to

764
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: when we talk about these teams for so long in

765
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: the offseason that like you're on board and then suddenly

766
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 4: you're like, I might be flipping her here into the

767
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: other thing. And it's like you could point to Jared

768
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: Goff and say, would there be a regression? But here's

769
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 4: the thing I think they have that they carried over

770
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: from last year. A really mauling, talented offensive line, so bang,

771
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: that's nine or ten wins right there in my book.

772
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 5: And a really good pass rush.

773
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 4: And I think you've got these this talent upfront on

774
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: both sides that kind of reminds me of the Eagles.

775
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: I just think they're a team that can go beat

776
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: people up and shore over some of their weaknesses.

777
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 1: I love what they did defensively, and I think that's

778
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,239
Speaker 1: what stops the regression is. Yeah, I don't expect their

779
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: offense to be as you're not gonna get as good

780
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: as season out of golf. Your number two receiver is

781
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: who exactly? I mean, it's it's like Josh Josh Reynolds.

782
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: Eventually it's James and Williams maybe, but I mean I

783
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: don't necessarily that's.

784
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: How they'll view him, I think, but whether he can

785
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: play the guitar.

786
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: But I think in the secondary, adding CJ. Gardner, Johnson,

787
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: Emanuel Moseley is going to be back there. Brian Branch,

788
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: I really think they could improve from one of the

789
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: worst defenses shook to an asset to a better than

790
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: average defense and then you're then you're cooking with gas.

791
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: But to me, this division's wide open. It's nice to

792
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: have a division that's wide open. I don't feel like

793
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: many divisions are like that. Anyone could win this division.

794
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that this is a team that's not

795
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 6: going to need the offense to carry it so much

796
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 6: this season. It's going to be a team that is

797
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 6: more balanced, is going to take a bit of a

798
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 6: step back offensively, just because you're not going to replicate

799
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 6: that year by year with Jared Goff, who we know

800
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 6: what his ceiling is. But I totally agree with what

801
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 6: you said about the secondary. I think it's improved. And honestly,

802
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 6: everybody crapped all over the first round picks, and even

803
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 6: Sam Laporta that pick too. If come on, he caught

804
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 6: some strays too, because he's an Iowa guy. You know whatever,

805
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 6: Jack Campbell, if that's your guy that could be your

806
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 6: guy for ten years at middle linebacker, and if that

807
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 6: helps your defense get better along with the additions you

808
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 6: made in the secondary, then go do it. You knew

809
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 6: that was your weakness. Go get the guy that you

810
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 6: think will make you better. I honestly, you know, we've

811
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 6: talked about this team so much, and I agree that

812
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 6: we're tired of it. We want to pick somebody else

813
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 6: and go away from Chalk because the Lions should not

814
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 6: be chalk, right, But I'm sticking with them. I think

815
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 6: they're going to be solid.

816
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 4: I do worry about them a little bit a week

817
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 4: from now against that Chiefs team and what happens if

818
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: they don't, if they get slaughtered.

819
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: I'm taking the dart third year for Dan Campbell.

820
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: We have a rule totally.

821
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: I respect well Mark came in with the Chiefs are

822
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: a hard team to beat.

823
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: Take and that was my Dan Campbell opening. He took

824
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: my opening.

825
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 4: I'm we're saying psychologically, if they were if they were

826
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 4: dissembled on national television in the kickoff opener, like that's

827
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 4: I wonder what happens to that kind of team from there.

828
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 4: They've not been in this place.

829
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: We think they're mentally tough, though.

830
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 4: I don't question their mental toughness at this point, but

831
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 4: if they were to lose forty five, they're not going

832
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 4: to They're gonna.

833
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: Mark like grudgingly brought through that like six game winning

834
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: streak at the end of line.

835
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 5: No, it was because it's like.

836
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: Hits on this show when you're when you're amped up

837
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 4: to like through the ceiling, it's like what am I

838
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 4: gonna just sit here and just absorb it, Like there's

839
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 4: nothing you can do to be more energetic than Greg

840
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 4: about the Lions all last season.

841
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 5: So it's like, I.

842
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: Also be you bury them in the middle of the season,

843
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: so they were like a bad pick essentially, so that

844
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: you know they came back.

845
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 5: I thought they were fine. I enjoyed the experience as

846
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 5: much as I chose.

847
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: To Dan Campbell. This is his third year.

848
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: If we if we subscribe to the thing that coaches

849
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: don't get a fourth year if they don't make the

850
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: PLAYFFS first thre years.

851
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: Is he an outlier?

852
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: I don't know.

853
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 3: There is pressure, though.

854
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 2: This will be seen as a disappointment if they don't

855
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: make it. Apologies to the academy breaking the rules. Give

856
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: me a trick, give me right in the face.

857
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: Cheek, taking it right out of my cheek. The Green

858
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: Bay Packers, Greg.

859
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this team. I don't know what's going

860
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: to happen in this division. I think they had one

861
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: of the best camps of any team in the NFL.

862
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: The Green Bay Packers Bactiari's healthy, Jenkins's there. That might

863
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: be the best left side of an offensive line in

864
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: the league. The offensive line in general looks fantastic. I

865
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: think they gave up one quarterback hit in three preseason games.

866
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: I know it's a preseason. I think Jordan Love checked

867
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: all the boxes. I think the two rookies that are

868
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: going to play a lot, Musgrave and Jade Reid had

869
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: nice camps and checked some boxes. I hate that they

870
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: didn't make a change of defensive coordinator, but there is

871
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: a lot of talent on the defense side. I just

872
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: think they had a really perfect camp, and I do

873
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: think there's a little bit of post Aaron Rodgers, Matt Lafleur,

874
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: Jordan Love. Let's show them what we can do without

875
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: the old gunslinger around.

876
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: I'm so with you because I think as much as

877
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 4: we have on a national stage, seen a transform Aaron

878
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 4: Rodgers in terms of added happiness, contentment like the Packers,

879
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 4: and I think Packers fans should embrace this completely new,

880
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: mysterious leg of the journey. I mean, you're kind of

881
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: freed from the expectations that were there with far. I

882
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 4: think they have Rogers, but I think that's something about

883
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 4: them is I feel I'm refreshed. I'm more excited about

884
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 4: this division and this team in a long time because

885
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 4: I think actually Love is going to succeed. I mean,

886
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 4: it's like, I don't think it's a bad thing for

887
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: some of these quarterbacks to sit and learn for a

888
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 4: couple of years. I know that's no now you to

889
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 4: throw him out there in Week one as a rookie,

890
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 4: but it's like he may have benefited from being behind

891
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers mentally for a.

892
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: Com he needs some help. I mean, Christian Watson really

893
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: balled out as the season went along, so I feel

894
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: good about him as a developing star. Romeo of Dobbs,

895
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna want him to take that next step. I

896
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 2: think that's certainly possible. You have Luke Musgrave there. But again,

897
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: I just can't get I have too much recent history.

898
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: I can't get excited about rookie tight Ends. I just can't.

899
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: But maybe he develops quickly. I like the idea of

900
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: the theory of it that Matt Lafleur and Jordan Love.

901
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: They're putting their heads together. Let's let's stick it to

902
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: the football cognates Anti.

903
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 5: With a clock.

904
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: That pause is even worse. But you have to have

905
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: the goods if they don't know yet. We don't know

906
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: what Lafleur is like without Aaron Rodgers, and we don't

907
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: know who Jordan Love is yet.

908
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: Sure, but I think the line in the running game shook.

909
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll make the quarterback look better.

910
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, although I thought it was strange that they, you know,

911
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 6: kick the tires on Jonathan Taylor. That was kind of

912
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 6: interesting considering who they have it running back. But that's

913
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 6: neither here nor there. What's more important to me is

914
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 6: I got that feel good vibe through the TV on

915
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 6: a preseason game, and usually preseason games are sleepy. It's

916
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 6: just all right, we're gonna come out and see the

917
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 6: starters for a couple series and then it's just gonna

918
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 6: kind of peter out to the end. It was not

919
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 6: the case in Green Bay. The young kids are now

920
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 6: in charge. They've taken over this team. Do I think

921
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 6: Jordan Love's gonna go be an all pro?

922
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: No?

923
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 6: But do I think that the release of the pressure

924
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 6: with the departure of Aaron Rodgers can kind of invigorate

925
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 6: this team that has a talented defense, It has a

926
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 6: good running game, that has a good offensive line. Yeah,

927
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 6: the young kids at receiver, you look like they're starting

928
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 6: starting to take the next step with Jordan Love. I

929
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 6: like this team, sneaky good team.

930
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: Did you know the Cults in exchange for Jonathan Taylor

931
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: asked for lambeau Field and the blood of the firstborn

932
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: children of Milwaukee. That was what the trade offer was.

933
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Speaker 4: I did not, But what what are they like the

934
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 4: rules and regulations of this show.

935
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the man who started show business the two

936
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: day ex let's respect, let's respect the trend very solemnly,

937
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: you said that, and then it overrode.

938
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: It was a good bit, so I had to get

939
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: it out and I'm taking.

940
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: The l And you guys are so stuck in your

941
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 2: ways with your rules that you couldn't see a good

942
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 2: bit when I was staring right in the face.

943
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: Are you the first born? No one was questioning the bit.

944
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: We all liked the bit. We just have respect for

945
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: the game. We all like the bit. I'm not following

946
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: any rules in great bit. I'm just gonna keep talking

947
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: as much as I want to. I mean, Milwaukee is

948
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: are from Green Bay. They're sort of in there, like

949
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of a rivalry. Hey, we're not Milwaukee.

950
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: Oh far is Milwaukee from green Well?

951
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 5: They used to play in Milwaukee like they used to

952
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 5: play split home games.

953
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: I have no ideas.

954
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: It's pretty far.

955
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: It's a major metro area. It's it's the closest major

956
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 2: metro area from Green Bay, which is kind of a sleepy.

957
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: Area of Wisconsin.

958
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 5: You could still be still be a packer stockholder down there.

959
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: Like I could have said the first born children of Appleton. Yeah,

960
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: which is much closer but doesn't hit as hard as

961
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: a bit Milwaukee's nice.

962
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: Now you nail the bit not I don't think anyone's

963
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 4: questioning that aspect of it.

964
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 3: Dan one of the.

965
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: Bits of the year.

966
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 3: In Cleveland, Chicago, the Bear is mark. All Right.

967
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 4: We have someone here at NFL Media, Michelle Magic. She

968
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: is in our research department and one of the hosts

969
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 4: of the ball Blast podcast, and she was the only

970
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 4: one of all of NFL media who picked Matt Eberflus,

971
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: who's just been a for those verbally taken down all offseason,

972
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 4: to win Coach of the Year.

973
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 5: And here's why. Let's hear from.

974
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 7: Her now that he finally has a real wide receiver

975
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 7: one in Dj Moore. Bears quarterback Justin Fields is ready

976
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 7: to take that Jalen hurts us third year leap this year,

977
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 7: and opposing defenses have already struggled to stop the bears

978
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 7: dominant rushing attack, and now they're also going to have

979
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 7: to worry about their passing game.

980
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 6: That is brutal for them. But most importantly, they play

981
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 6: in the.

982
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 7: Very weak NFC where a wildcard spot is a very

983
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 7: easy path with the Bears if they can put it

984
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 7: all together, and I'm predicting just that, I think the

985
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 7: Bear sneak into the playoffs this season, and if head

986
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 7: coach Matt Eberflus can transform the worst team in the

987
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 7: NFL last season to a playoff team in just one offseason,

988
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 7: he is going to be a top candidate for Coach

989
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 7: of the Year, no doubt in twenty twenty three.

990
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 5: All Right, does it check out?

991
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: If you speak with passion on a topic, you will

992
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: sell me most of the time. Yeah, could be easily

993
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: misled by a charismatic leader, and I think we just

994
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: saw them.

995
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked you giving up your time. Also, there's

996
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: a history. It's less work for me. Love somewhat underwhelming

997
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: Bears coaches winning Coach of the Year Matt Naggi ever

998
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: recent one, Dick durn two time winner. I believe am

999
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: I making that up? At least won once. Lovey Smith,

1000
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: who is a better coach, but he won Coach of

1001
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: the Year too. It's a fine tradition.

1002
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I understand the idea there, because the because

1003
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: they're so down bad last year, that helps relentlessly losing

1004
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: that If Fields makes a leap and these additions prop

1005
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: up the roster, they're gonna end up doubling their win total,

1006
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: maybe tripling their win total, and that's how Coach of

1007
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: the Year awards are handed out.

1008
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: I have my doubts about the Bears, but I think

1009
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: if you're trying to see what Eberflus and Polls are doing,

1010
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: it's in the secondary. I think that's the one area

1011
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: of the team that has a chance to be special

1012
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: other than justin Field's running. You know, they drafted Brisker

1013
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: and Gordon last year. Gordon's in the slot, Brisker was

1014
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: pretty spicy. Tyreek Stevenson was a guy that drafted this year,

1015
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: and then they still have Jalen Johnson in a free

1016
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: agent year, they still have Eddie Jackson. Like that, to

1017
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: me shook a sort of their vision is in that secondary.

1018
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: That's Ryan Poles's guys. Like if they have a special secondary,

1019
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: the defense can get a lot better.

1020
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 6: That's that's the part of the team I love the most.

1021
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 6: And I was I raised an eyebrow when Yanni kin

1022
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 6: Goakway signed with them, because I was like, don't you

1023
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 6: want to go play for a team that's that you

1024
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 6: said would be a contender. This is not a team

1025
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 6: that is necessarily that on paper. But I love that

1026
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 6: back end of the defense. I think it can be

1027
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 6: a lot better than it was last year. I'm not

1028
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 6: going to put them the playoffs. I'm not going to

1029
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 6: give Matt Eberflus to Coach the Year. What I am

1030
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 6: going to say is that I think we were just

1031
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 6: introduced to the cult of Mark Sessler. Now they say

1032
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 6: best coast, West Coast, best coast. I think best coast

1033
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 6: is Sess Coast. You know, let's just gather it all

1034
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 6: around right now. It doesn't have to be senter on

1035
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 6: the Bears. But you want to make that argument for

1036
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 6: any team or any belief, I'll probably follow you right

1037
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 6: in line. As for the Bears gonna be better, but

1038
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 6: the bar was low.

1039
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 3: What an interesting direction there.

1040
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 4: I well, it's Brett Zieros. So I guess I'll just

1041
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 4: keep talking because that's what we do in the show.

1042
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 4: Apparently get him drank your ace. It hit me right

1043
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 4: in the butt in the buttocks.

1044
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Coach of the Year, Executive of the Year. Stuff.

1045
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: Gotta be careful now it's half time.

1046
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 5: What do you not care?

1047
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: Well?

1048
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: Just like, remember that Mike mccagnin once was the pro

1049
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: Foball Writers Association Executive the Year. That's the same guy

1050
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 2: that passed on Patrick Mahomes because he had Bryce Petty

1051
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: and Christian Hackenberg already on the roster's developmental quarterbacks sound move.

1052
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: Sometimes you get sucked in by one year, and I.

1053
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 4: Think it's I want to see a study on these guys,

1054
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: because a lot of times you win Coach of the

1055
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: Year because your roster was, you know, a one win outfit.

1056
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 4: Then you win nine and everyone's excited, but then you

1057
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 4: you know, you go back down and it's like when

1058
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 4: you win these awards, I think the year after, it's

1059
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: almost like an s I jinx. Like a lot of

1060
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 4: times they kind of crater or vanish and to your point,

1061
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 4: like mccagnin, like that couldn't have been a more disastrous,

1062
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: Like you know, he's celebrating too hard off his little trophy.

1063
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: Has Dickon, by the way, only one one coach because

1064
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: he had only one winning season out of five.

1065
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: Before we take a break, Greg, I know you do

1066
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: another podcast with a successful comedian, but just want to

1067
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: add a little more context on.

1068
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: Jessel Nick and Rosenthal Vandy project. Yeah, people should check

1069
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: that out.

1070
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: Yes, the bit from earlier, the context there was that

1071
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: the Colts are asking for a lot in these Jonathan

1072
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 2: Taylor faux trade talks. So me, I was me coming

1073
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: off the top rope and saying, send lambeau Field and

1074
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: the firstborn.

1075
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you.

1076
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: See it's all the payoff of it, Yes, but the

1077
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: football context is so important.

1078
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: That's one of the most important things about jokes. Are

1079
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: explaining him ten minutes later, I thought you needed I mean,

1080
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: I didn't need it. We all got the joke. It

1081
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: was a great it was a great joke, but ground

1082
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: so I understand that we all analysis, we all we

1083
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: all got it. And and I think I think it

1084
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: was trenchant. I think the Colts are up to no

1085
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: good with these asking.

1086
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: I think sometimes in this world people are afraid to laugh.

1087
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 5: Now you're poking.

1088
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 2: I like what you're doing, and I think it's okay

1089
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: to laugh when a bit comes off the top rope

1090
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: like that.

1091
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 4: I hope we can have a fourth conversation about this

1092
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 4: in a roughly eighteen minutes.

1093
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: All right, it's halftime. Let's take a break, and then

1094
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: we'll get to the back half of the NFC And

1095
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 2: exactly two twenty four minutes.

1096
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: And we're back.

1097
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Speaker 2: Before we get to the back half, we gotta talk

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00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: about NFL plus next Thursday, the debut of Around the

1099
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: NFL and NFL Plus. It's about what twenty minutes of

1100
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 2: fun breaking down the week that was, the week that's

1101
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: coming up in that classic ATM style, kind of old

1102
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: school bits that we enjoy some new school flavor. Talked

1103
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: about it on the previous show. We're going to have

1104
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 2: the fan engagement as well by getting involved in sending

1105
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: us sub missions of questions, comments that we can react to.

1106
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 4: Mark I spoke with someone up on the third floor

1107
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: who said that, you know, since we've started to send

1108
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 4: the message out that this is going to be happening

1109
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: all season long, that the subscriptions are going crazy, because

1110
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 4: those are the people that understand what reality is about.

1111
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 4: If you're someone that thinks like I'll skate by this

1112
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 4: campaign this year, this season without being a part of this,

1113
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 4: you're that again. You're that person floating, floating through your society,

1114
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 4: your community, probably getting dumped left and right. You know,

1115
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 4: no traction in any sort of career.

1116
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: To borrow a Sessler is a floating trash bag.

1117
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 5: You're a floating trash that what you want.

1118
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: To be one and oh, by the way, you get

1119
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: football game. My good friend Dave best man of my weddy.

1120
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: He texted me and because he heard a stocking ENVI them.

1121
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: He's like, I didn't even realize because he doesn't have

1122
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: YouTube TV. Yeah, it's great if you do. He doesn't

1123
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: have any cable. He has no way to watch football games.

1124
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: You get your live local you know, you get the

1125
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: local games, to get the primetime games, he's just watching

1126
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: it on NFL bus. He goes to bars.

1127
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: How many jobs does Greg have?

1128
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: Can you peel off a couple of ben.

1129
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: He's doing fine, but he's, you know, a public school teacher.

1130
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: They're not paying them as much as they should. And

1131
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: he's got a million different services. So he goes out

1132
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: and he watches and he or he gets the illegal streams.

1133
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: A lot of people do that. Oh, a lot of

1134
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: young people do that.

1135
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 5: He's sort of backed into this whole.

1136
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: Now you've got NFL Plus and you get your games.

1137
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: So not only tells that Dave is not able to

1138
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: buy all these things, he's also stealing that's illegal.

1139
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: He was now he doesn't have to.

1140
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: He's he's signed up now star his last name and

1141
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 2: a social security He was like, I.

1142
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: Was surprised by the local games. I'll subscribe he's in.

1143
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 2: So if you want to as some mid videos ATM

1144
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: Fan of the Week at gmail dot com, NFL Plus

1145
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: plus at M. All right, let's get back into it.

1146
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: The NFC south Mark, Tampa Bay Buccanets.

1147
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you, I will do Tampa Bay.

1148
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 4: I think the most casual fan understands that Baker Mayfield

1149
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 4: has played well in spurts in his career.

1150
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 3: Shook.

1151
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 4: You've seen that he played pretty well this preseason, but

1152
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 4: his overall sample size, I think it just spells out

1153
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 4: this defined ceiling that was tough for me to come

1154
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 4: to grips with in the past as a Browns fan,

1155
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 4: but you see it. I think three two three very

1156
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 4: big of me. Three teams have moved on from Mayfield.

1157
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 4: That is not a great lore there, and Kyle Trask

1158
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 4: is really nothing more than a project. So it kind

1159
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 4: of leads me to this more general question about the Bucks, like,

1160
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 4: why would any NFL team with a relatively attractive roster

1161
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 4: go into a season with such little juice under center?

1162
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: Because don't tell me like they're out of moves or

1163
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 4: they can't find anyone. Because creative front offices in twenty

1164
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 4: twenty three are finding a way to make almost anything

1165
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 4: happen in the draft on the open market to get

1166
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 4: that guy. There aren't many teams with this quarterback situation.

1167
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 4: So where do the Bucks think this will lead? When,

1168
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: like Bobby Joe, sixth grader knows, this light leads to disaster.

1169
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: I have a take. You know, it's the rage now

1170
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: post pandemic life. A lot of people are quiet quitting.

1171
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 2: Bucks are quiet tanking. It's quiet tank. It's a quiet tank.

1172
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: It's not an outright They have a lot of veterans.

1173
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: They actually went out of their way to keep those.

1174
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: I understand that, but they also don't intend to keep

1175
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: those guys, probably beyond this year. In many cases, I

1176
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: don't think they intend to keep the head coach or

1177
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 2: the quarterback. It's a quiet, quiet surrender.

1178
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: I hear you. And there's some guys who you write

1179
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: I think will be in there last year, maybe Mike Evans,

1180
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: maybe Shaq Barrett, Levante David came back on a one

1181
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: year deal, but they also gave like long term deal

1182
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: to Carlton Davis. They like Shaq Barrett is still there,

1183
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: Vita Vea is still there. They I don't think they're tanking.

1184
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: I think they have a huge cap hit with Tom

1185
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: Brady who's making thirty or and he's not making it,

1186
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: but he's thirty six million dollars. And at quarterback, they

1187
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: thought they could get by if the rest of the

1188
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: team is good enough, which it's not. It's not gonna

1189
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: be good enough.

1190
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, they sold their soul and they attached themselves to

1191
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 6: a gamer of a quarterback who has more teams from

1192
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 6: the last year than than well most other things. So,

1193
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 6: uh did that did fall flat?

1194
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: You know it?

1195
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 6: But what I will say about the Buccaneers, the.

1196
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: Problem is the one minute warning stepped on it. You

1197
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: want to redo the bit?

1198
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 6: No, no, not at all, because it was terrible.

1199
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 5: You're the only one that doesn't.

1200
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 6: I would say the Buccaneers are this. They're a team

1201
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 6: that is in transition, that is, you know, paying for

1202
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 6: their title from a few years ago. And then they

1203
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 6: know that they don't have much room to operate, and

1204
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 6: they went with Baker, who you know is gonna potentially,

1205
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 6: you know, lead them to a few gritty wins. And

1206
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 6: it's gonna be that there's gonna be a lot of turnovers,

1207
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 6: there's gonna be a inn accuracy and inconsistency, and they're

1208
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 6: gonna have playmakers outside. They're gonna hope for the best

1209
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 6: and maybe their defense will be good enough to keep

1210
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 6: them in some some games. But it's a wide open division,

1211
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 6: so they feel like they don't need to be an

1212
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 6: elite team to win the division. I just don't think

1213
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 6: they're gonna win the division.

1214
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 5: When do we see Kyle Trask?

1215
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 6: I don't when the season is lost.

1216
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: I think I do like sixth round rookie Trey Palmer

1217
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: looked pretty spicy. I think he's gonna get Snap's kind

1218
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: of a fun guy to watch.

1219
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 3: The Carolina Panthers.

1220
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: Greg Roseenhal, I feel like I've been negative about the

1221
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: Panthers here. They were my number one pick as the

1222
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: under so let's let's spin it positive. I thought Bryce

1223
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: Young in the preseason actually looked exactly like you would

1224
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: think Bryce Young would look like. I do think he's

1225
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: gonna be someone do you have to watch. You're gonna

1226
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: have to watch him, maybe even on the All twenty

1227
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: two each week because his surroundings are gonna make it

1228
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: difficult for him. But I think there's a way for

1229
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: him to be successful. For Frank Rake to set a

1230
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: foundation for what he's gonna be without having incredible numbers,

1231
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: but he sees the field he can be that point guard.

1232
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: They're asking him to do a lot, I do. I

1233
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: think they're gonna ask him to do more than maybe

1234
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: any rookie quarterback since Burrow, at least in terms of

1235
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: really running that offense. And he's shown some anticipation, so

1236
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna be someone be patient, but watch it. I

1237
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: think he's gonna look better on film than he will

1238
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: probably in the box score. What else matters with the Panthers.

1239
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they to compete, but all that matters

1240
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: is Bryce Young.

1241
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 6: I mean, the vibes are high because of Bryce Young

1242
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 6: and because they spend a ton of money in their

1243
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 6: coaching staff. Greg I mean, run down the list, Josh McCown,

1244
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 6: QB's coach. You got a number of other notable guys

1245
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 6: on this staff. Frank Reich's here to change the culture,

1246
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 6: and they do have some leftovers and a defense that

1247
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 6: is sneaky good. I think was their best aspect the

1248
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 6: last three years was that defense, because the offense was

1249
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 6: just so lost with the number of quarterbacks that they

1250
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 6: switched in and out. Again, this division is wide open,

1251
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 6: so I don't think it's going to take all that much.

1252
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 6: All have to do is kind of string a few

1253
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 6: together and kind of figure it out. It's just that

1254
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 6: this team is attaching himself to a quarterback. He's gonna

1255
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 6: have a little bit of growing pains, but like you said,

1256
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 6: they're going to ask him to do a lot and

1257
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 6: I think he's equipped to do it as long as

1258
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 6: he can see down the field. That's the biggest issue

1259
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 6: that everybody's made a big deal out of, is this height.

1260
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 6: We're not height shaming here, but he is a solid player.

1261
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 6: Bryce Young is who I think is going to be

1262
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 6: doing a quality job with this team. It's just again,

1263
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 6: how high can they really go. It'll be better than

1264
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 6: where they were with Stam Darnold Baker Mayfield last year,

1265
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 6: and to me, that alone is an improvement in the

1266
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 6: first year of new regime.

1267
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 4: Well, and it's a point of departure, and there's hope

1268
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 4: because this is a different player than Sam Darnold or

1269
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield, and you've got a different coaching staff and

1270
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 4: there that's not gonna get fired a month into the campaign.

1271
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 4: My concern though, because it's like you don't want to

1272
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 4: attach too much to the limited tape that we saw

1273
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 4: coming out of the preseason. But it's the offensive line

1274
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 4: because I think their strength is there is their defensive front.

1275
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 4: They got to, like you said, under the radar defense.

1276
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 5: But you've got to keep him protected.

1277
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 4: This is one quarterback because if it's its size and

1278
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 4: it's like, look at he can take hits. It's not

1279
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 4: that he's the first time he gets smacked, he's going

1280
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 4: to be out of there. But like some of this

1281
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 4: is a different situation than where you were in college,

1282
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 4: and that that offensive line spooked me the entire month.

1283
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: I think that in the next team we get to,

1284
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 2: I'll spell it out more. But like Tampa Bay and

1285
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: even like Atlanta who's trying to figure out their quarterback situation,

1286
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: this is a team in transition, and yeah, I think

1287
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: maybe they could hang in the division here if some

1288
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: things go their way, but I don't. I struggle to

1289
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 2: take them seriously as a team that matters this year.

1290
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean that this year doesn't matter if

1291
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: you're a Panthers fan, because there's an important building block season.

1292
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of heat to me a host,

1293
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 2: not right now. The one team that's different is the Saints,

1294
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: and I think they are set up well for success

1295
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: this fall. In terms of what success means for the

1296
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 2: New Orleans Saints in the post Breeze and Peyton era,

1297
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: they have a solid defense with the veterans like Cam

1298
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: Jordan to Mario Davis, rush On Lottimore, a respectable offensive

1299
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: attack with an upgrade of QB. In my opinion, they

1300
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 2: have the very good fortune of playing in a highly

1301
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: mediocre and developing NFC South Division. You don't have to

1302
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 2: love the Saints to see them winning nine or ten

1303
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: games this year. In a way, Derek Carr was the

1304
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 2: perfect addition for this team, GREGI, because the Saints are

1305
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: the Derek Carr of NFL teams to me, good enough

1306
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: to be relevant, but not substantial enough to actually matter.

1307
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1308
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: Well, I think the Falcons and the Saints will matter

1309
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: because they have a chance to rack up wins in

1310
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: this division just based on the schedule. The Saints are

1311
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: feeling themselves. I'm a little wary of it, but the

1312
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: Saints and their fans are feeling themselves after this preseason.

1313
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: The hopes are much higher locally than I would have.

1314
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: But they look at Carr, and the line is pretty

1315
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: healthy right now, and Thomas and Olave and Shaheed and

1316
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: the deep backfield and kamaras back and they think with

1317
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: this defense, like we could win eleven or twelve games,

1318
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: we could be a top five to ten offense. That's

1319
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: what they're thinking. I'm not thinking that not.

1320
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 4: I mean, they play the weakest schedule that matters. I

1321
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 4: think you can, you can compile and add wins that

1322
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 4: you wouldn't in in a different part of the league.

1323
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 4: Their offensive defensive line not really impressed with either, not overly,

1324
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 4: but you have parts all over the place. I mean,

1325
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 4: to me, it's like any team with Derek Carr and

1326
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm so negative on car. Like the

1327
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 4: floor is there, it's higher, it's higher than it would

1328
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 4: be with some quarterbacks, but the ceiling just feels shaky

1329
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 4: to me.

1330
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 5: And it's like, I but That's what I'm talking about. Yeah,

1331
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 5: I'm with you though, Yeah, that that.

1332
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: I think he'll help them and stabilize their offense in

1333
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: a way that Jameis and Winston and company haven't Jameis

1334
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: Winston and company haven't been able to do.

1335
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 5: Is he better than Jameis Winston? One?

1336
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I think that a doubt person Jameson Winston will play.

1337
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 4: Oh, look, I think some of the highs with Jameis

1338
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 4: Winston are just like pretty phenomenal, and obviously there's the lows.

1339
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: It's way more variance with Winston.

1340
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 4: Carl living up car last year was not a good

1341
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 4: quarterback like you can in the league for ten years.

1342
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 5: The same size is bigger than that. But like he

1343
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 5: was a mess last year.

1344
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 4: He lost them games and so it's I always want

1345
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 4: to see where these Saints fans are two months from now.

1346
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: What do you think shook about the fact that the

1347
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: Saints punter was a professional scaffolder then owned a tattoo

1348
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: shop in Bali and Indonesia, and he's once played Australian

1349
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: his football, never American football until just like four years

1350
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: ago in his mid twenties. What do you think about that?

1351
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 6: That's great, that's appreciation. That's a little bit extra boost,

1352
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 6: a little bit extra energy into every punt. Maybe it'll

1353
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 6: even hit the roof of the of the Super Dome.

1354
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: Rookie, this is a movie waiting to happen.

1355
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 6: Yeah it is, and uh, I have nothing further to

1356
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 6: add on it.

1357
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 3: Bakers and Bryce Young are the quarterbacks of this division.

1358
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 6: This team is going to be last year's Vikings team.

1359
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 6: They're gonna win thirteen games and we're gonna realize they

1360
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 6: weren't that good.

1361
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 3: Real. Oh that's a good take. That's worth taking a

1362
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 3: trank for.

1363
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 5: I hope he picked the SA Division winner.

1364
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 2: Give it to him again.

1365
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 3: Oh he got him in the eye. Outfit him with

1366
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 3: a patch.

1367
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: Like when you see in modern times the guys that

1368
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: got the patch.

1369
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 5: It's like, how often are you encountering that bully?

1370
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 3: To you, my man?

1371
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: Because you look like a bad effort.

1372
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 5: It's a choice.

1373
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 3: Then you gotta grow out to go to you at

1374
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 3: that point, could.

1375
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 4: Go glass eye if you need it too. So it's

1376
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 4: it's definitely, it's it, but only if.

1377
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 3: It's like the contact with like the eight ball or something.

1378
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: Let's close out the South with the beloved Falcons.

1379
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 6: Nick Schook, Well, the hot topic in Atlanta is b

1380
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 6: Jeon Robinson. He's the new face of all things Atlanta

1381
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 6: that aren't related to the Braves. But I love the

1382
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 6: Falcons for some different reasons. One Arthur Smith is the

1383
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 6: coaching embodiment of the acronym that the kids love to use.

1384
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: D G A F.

1385
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 6: Don't give a you know what. He's gonna do it

1386
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 6: his way, And even if you criticize him, He can't

1387
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 6: hear you throw all that FedEx money. And reason number.

1388
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: Two is the NFC sound rich to Arthur Smith.

1389
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 6: Exactly can't hear you? I got the money phone up?

1390
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 3: What too?

1391
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 6: Rich? The NFC South is wide open, which we've spoken

1392
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 6: about plenty at this point, So why not the Falcons?

1393
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 6: Desmond Ritter might be why. I mean, you know, he

1394
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 6: had a nice little four game stretch last year, but

1395
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 6: you know there's not a huge sample size on him

1396
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 6: and a ton of comment at this point. But can

1397
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 6: he prove Arthur Smith correcting? Going with him? They added

1398
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 6: some veterans in the offseason, Jesse Bates klays Campbell. That

1399
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 6: tells me that these guys see a little bit of

1400
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 6: potential there. And they won seven games despite finishing twenty

1401
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 6: fourth in offense and twenty seventh in defense. And these

1402
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 6: changes in the offseason mean they have to be a

1403
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 6: little bit better, right. I mean, it could be much

1404
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 6: worse than Marcus Mariota quarterback, who is so bad last

1405
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 6: year that you just flat out committed to the run.

1406
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 6: And they have the easiest strength schedule in the NFL,

1407
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 6: so chances are they might be better than that seven

1408
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 6: win mark they've hit.

1409
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 4: They are going to be better. They had sixty eight

1410
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 4: sacks over the last three seasons. They've added some pieces.

1411
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 4: I'm not saying their defense will completely flip the switch

1412
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 4: out of the gate, but they added parts, reliable players.

1413
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 4: I just think this offense is going to be the

1414
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 4: one of the stories of the season. We've talked about

1415
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 4: it a ton on the show. I think other teams

1416
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 4: better get ready to pay the price. Their little front

1417
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 4: lawns are going to get burned down by the Falcons

1418
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 4: because I think this is a different type of team

1419
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 4: and Arthur Smith, you know what, I'll say one thing.

1420
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 4: I think he's tried to completely blow away the idea

1421
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 4: that he's some sort of Nepo baby.

1422
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 5: He's gone his own route.

1423
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 4: I don't know how much money coming into the bank

1424
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 4: account from FedEx, probably not a small amount, but I mean,

1425
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 4: he's his own guy, and I think he's in year three.

1426
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 4: This is an Arthur Smith team. It looks a lot

1427
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 4: like the way the Titans punished teams. It went out

1428
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 4: and it got the parts quickly and right now. I

1429
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 4: think they're so different than any other team out there,

1430
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 4: but I cannot wait to see them.

1431
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: That's why I'm in on Smith because he brings something

1432
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: to the table. When he arrived there, they were known

1433
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: as the worst offensive line in the league for like

1434
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: five plus years. Right now, certainly in run blocking and

1435
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: mostly with the same guys, you can look at them

1436
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: and say that might be the best offensive line in

1437
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: the league in terms of run blocking. He completely transformed

1438
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: their energy and that's something to build off. We'll see.

1439
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: We haven't mentioned Ryan Neil Sin's name once this offseason.

1440
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: That's their new defensive coordinator. He came from New Orleans.

1441
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: The talent's better on defense, Dan. I don't know if

1442
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna be any better. That's a mystery. But you

1443
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 1: gotta mashers up front because of Arthur Smith in that mustache.

1444
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 2: You guys have warned me down. I can't do it anymore.

1445
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 2: I'm just it's time for the season to start. I

1446
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: think Taylor Heineke starts six games for this team. Ooh,

1447
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: maybe you still win ten because the division is dogs.

1448
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: But you guys can be very excited. I'm not going

1449
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: to say any anything negative other than.

1450
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: Disagreement's good.

1451
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 3: Last division.

1452
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 5: See what you did here, you snake draft?

1453
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 2: Snake draft.

1454
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 3: Last division is the San Francisco NFC West. Here is

1455
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 3: the San Francisco forty nine ers. Here is Nick Schuck.

1456
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 6: Back to back we go. The hottest topic in the

1457
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 6: Bay Area remains the same as it's been for most

1458
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 6: of the Kyle Shanahan and John lynch earrow, which is

1459
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 6: quarterback half the discussion retired officially when San Francisco traded

1460
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 6: Tree Lance to Dallas. I think we're all tired of

1461
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 6: that narrative. Anyway. The other half headed out to the

1462
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 6: beach house because turns out Rock Perty's gonna be fine.

1463
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,479
Speaker 6: He's gonna be the quarterback week one, right, So what's left?

1464
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 6: Bosa still not with the team. He's still awaiting a

1465
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 6: look at the contract.

1466
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: Some weird whispers there, yeah, yeah.

1467
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 6: And Kyle Shanahan even said he can imagine a scenario

1468
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 6: which Bosa misses games because of this.

1469
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: Timeout last time out, stop the clock.

1470
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the Nick Bosa thing. What are you

1471
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 3: hearing whispers?

1472
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: I just I suspect these are the types of whispers

1473
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: that actually happened before the two sides come to an agreement.

1474
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: But I think there's some conversation in league circles, is like,

1475
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: is Nick Bosa definitely on this team could get a

1476
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: could we get a surprise move?

1477
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: Before this season, Kyle Shanahan insisted there's no chance they

1478
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: are trading him, But you hear coaches say that all

1479
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: the time.

1480
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 1: I think he was responding to these whispers to be fair.

1481
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And one thing I'll point out is his older brother,

1482
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: Nick Bosa, had a highly contentious beginning of his pro

1483
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: career with the Chargers over money. So the Bosa boys

1484
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: and the Bosa family are not afraid to get their

1485
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 2: hands dirty and dig in. This is not the same

1486
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: team without Bosa. They need this man to be anchoring

1487
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 2: their line.

1488
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 4: I always tend to think this stuff will get worked out.

1489
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 4: But this is a team that you know, has given

1490
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 4: up a lot of draft picks that turn into nothing,

1491
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 4: and if you cannot make it work with this player,

1492
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 4: you could get a bounty.

1493
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 5: But I just don't see that happen.

1494
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't either. I can't quite imagine, because the only

1495
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: way it makes sense is if you get veteran players back,

1496
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: which is just like a wild thing to do right now,

1497
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: Like this team doesn't wild things, it doesn't make sense

1498
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: for first round picks. I don't think in early September,

1499
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe, I don't know, it'll be wild. Here's

1500
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: the Shanahan how about how about Chris Jones for Nick

1501
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: Bosa trade. Let's just do that.

1502
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: Fun now we're talking. Here is Kyle Shanahan's exact words.

1503
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 2: By the way, a little while ago you said this

1504
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 2: is the Bosa thing was going as you expected, would

1505
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 2: him designed.

1506
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 8: By right now, I thought it would come probably to

1507
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 8: this time, just looking at the history of those things,

1508
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 8: and I'm really hoping it gets done. I know they're

1509
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 8: working tirelessly out of John hamp Prague. I know there's

1510
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 8: their teams, but hopefully we can get him in here

1511
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 8: sooner than later.

1512
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: Anyway, you can imagine this team not having him on

1513
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 2: the team, saying that if this thing goes on into.

1514
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 8: The breakless season, yeah, I can imagine anything. Doesn't mean

1515
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 8: I like that picture, of course. Now, you guys know

1516
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 8: how we feel about Nick, and we all know how

1517
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 8: good of a player he is, so hopefully we can

1518
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 8: come to terms soon and get him here as as possible.

1519
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 6: I mean, it sounds like he's starting to get a

1520
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 6: little bit nervous, just because it's a little nervous hearing

1521
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 6: his voice a little bit there.

1522
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he expected him back. All right, time in Eric Robins.

1523
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 6: All right, we're back to what we're down this list

1524
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 6: of things, all right, Steve Wilkes replaces Demiko Ryans as

1525
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 6: the defensive coordinator. Another defensive coordinator. They've done a great

1526
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 6: did a great job in San Francisco, heads off to

1527
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 6: head coaching job Elsford. Can Steve Wilkes be the latest

1528
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 6: to maintain their league best defense? That is a question.

1529
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 6: If he doesn't have Nick Botha, it's gonna be a

1530
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 6: little bit more difficult. They did get Javon Hargrave in

1531
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 6: the offseason and probably paid him too much for too long,

1532
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 6: you know, based on the fact that he's already passed thirty.

1533
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 6: But you know that's neither here nor there. Are they

1534
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 6: gonna be good enough without Bosa? And when they get

1535
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 6: him back, is brock Perty gonna match the hype that

1536
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 6: he created for himself with his tour run through the

1537
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 6: playoffs all the way to the NFC title game last year?

1538
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 6: Those are the big questions. But this conference is ultimately

1539
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 6: not that strong. The Seahawks are their greatest threat in

1540
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 6: this division. I still expect them to be. There is

1541
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 6: just how good can they be?

1542
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 5: I think on the Steve Wilkes front.

1543
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 4: Like this, the Niners under Shanahan have just become accustomed

1544
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 4: to being the coaches being plucked so often, and the

1545
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 4: train keeps moving. And I think Wilkes, by the way,

1546
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 4: is not like a step down from anyone either. I mean,

1547
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 4: players love Steve Wilkes and we've seen that everywhere he goes,

1548
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 4: and I think that's a good thing for the Niners.

1549
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 4: It is hard to duplicate that year after year, and

1550
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 4: I think it's probably tough if you're a player to

1551
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 4: have to get accustomed to a new style of coach

1552
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 4: and new all of it.

1553
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 5: But maybe not.

1554
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 4: I mean, this guy's been around, and don't I just

1555
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 4: think the Niners are a team that I trust from

1556
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 4: perty do everything to keep going.

1557
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: I do too. But it's amazing how little we've talked

1558
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: about Purdy's ceiling and potential this offseason. This is a

1559
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: second year quarterback who played at an extremely high level

1560
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: for a rookie. If a top ten picks played that

1561
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: well as a rookie, imagine if Trevor Lawrence played like that.

1562
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: I know they're very different. I'm just saying he played

1563
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: at a very high level as a rookie. We haven't

1564
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 1: really talked about what Party turns into. Is he just

1565
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: that guy forever? I think that's where our mind goes.

1566
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: But there's a chance it was a mirage. There's also

1567
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: a very realistic chance he continues to improve like most

1568
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks do, and then forty nine has really got something.

1569
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 3: I think what we.

1570
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 2: Saw from Jimmy Garoppolo in that offense helps inform me

1571
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 2: not to get too noivous about Rock Party, because I

1572
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 2: think Garoppolo is an average quarterback. Maybe he's looked great

1573
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 2: high and maybe it's higher. So I think because of

1574
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 2: the offense he's in, I think he's going to be

1575
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 2: good to maybe very good, maybe not quite great.

1576
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 3: The Seahawks, I like it. I like a lot of

1577
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 3: what I see here with the Seahawks. You know.

1578
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 2: I love their wide receivers. I like that Jackson Smith

1579
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: and Jigba is on track after suffering that injury.

1580
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 3: I like their running game if they can stay healthy.

1581
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 3: I like their defense.

1582
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 2: I like Bobby Wagner's back, and Tarique Woollen in year

1583
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 2: two can only get better. And there's even hell, I'll

1584
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 2: say it, Jamal Adams is back. What does he give them?

1585
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 2: Maybe he can juice them a little bit more. There

1586
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 2: is a Geno Smith question here. There's a little bit

1587
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 2: hot and cold as the season went on. But I

1588
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 2: think as long as Gino is somewhere in between there

1589
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 2: and I think it right around the Dalton line, I

1590
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: think it's as a playoff team, so he doesn't have

1591
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 2: to be the monster he was at the beginning of

1592
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 2: last year that kind of shocked the league. He just

1593
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 2: can't fall off a cliff and I think he'll probably

1594
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: be okay, too good, and that will be good enough

1595
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 2: for ten games.

1596
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm worried about and enough passers, But when it comes

1597
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: to Geno, I am curious, like can he stay that aggressive?

1598
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: He was extreme, He goes for it and he did

1599
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: not have as many interceptions last year. I'll even admit

1600
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: as he as he should have. So to me that

1601
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: that creates a high variance. Is he is gonna go

1602
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: for it. He is going to try to fit that

1603
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: ball into tight windows, and that that's risky. Yeah.

1604
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 4: I think, like with with with Geno Smith, I I'm

1605
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 4: at the point where I trust that the first like

1606
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 4: three quarters of the season was really strong and it

1607
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 4: did tail off at the end. I mean it was

1608
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 4: kind of concerning to see, like how the Seahawks crumbled

1609
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 4: against the Niners. That defense just turned Geno Smith and

1610
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 4: the entire operation into a hot mess. But John Schneider,

1611
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 4: after making that Jamal Adams deal, which felt a little

1612
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 4: desperate back then, two of the best drafts potentially, like

1613
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 4: last year's draft was phenomenal and he's done. And again,

1614
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 4: if you keep doing that, you're gonna keep supporting Geno Smith,

1615
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 4: You're gonna support the whole operation. The Seahawks to me,

1616
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 4: are a sneaky Like throw him into the NFC title game,

1617
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 4: I would not be surprised. Like they could upset Dallas,

1618
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 4: they could upset potentially Philadelphia, they could beat the Niners

1619
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 4: at some point in the playoffs.

1620
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 5: They're right there. I think they're just on the outside.

1621
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 5: Look at that eight tier.

1622
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: I think they have a Niners problem, though tier point

1623
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: they do.

1624
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 2: They might have a Niners problem, but they you might

1625
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 2: get four wins out of the other two division opponents.

1626
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 6: Shook, Yeah, that's gonna boost you right out of the gate.

1627
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 6: But you know, I think as much concern as there

1628
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 6: might be or worry that Gino can't replicate that, I

1629
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 6: think that Pete Carroll's got the opportunity to go back

1630
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 6: to what he does best. We love to do the

1631
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 6: most is run the football. Look at their running back,

1632
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 6: I mean Kem Walker, they draft Zach Charboney, they still

1633
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 6: got DJ Dallas back there. They have enough guys to

1634
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 6: just continue to keep pounding the ball on the ground,

1635
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 6: which will open things up for Geno and allow him

1636
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 6: to do these things that he did so well last year.

1637
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 6: You know, they tied for eleventh and passing last year

1638
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 6: they were eighteenth and rushing. I think you see those

1639
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 6: maybe even flip this year. And defensively they can be better.

1640
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 6: But because of what like Mark just said, two really

1641
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 6: great draft classes, a ton of young talent on the

1642
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 6: defensive side of the ball, they're really rounding out this roster.

1643
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 6: And like you guys all said, this division is not

1644
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 6: that good outside of the forty nine ers. So I

1645
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 6: expect him to be in the conversation and probably be

1646
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 6: another wild card team. Maybe they won't be any better

1647
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 6: than they were last year. We'll see. I mean, I

1648
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 6: still think they'll be right where they were last year.

1649
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:10,759
Speaker 2: If not. I had one more kind of negative Geno

1650
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,480
Speaker 2: thing there, but I ran out of time, So Greg congratulations.

1651
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 5: Big congratulations for the game.

1652
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: I mean they're not respecting the game. I don't know

1653
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: where this trenk is. I should be getting it.

1654
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 5: That was a voluminous one.

1655
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: That was aggressive Greg the Rams, Okay, you asked me,

1656
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: I think last week Dan at one point like what

1657
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: young player? I think you asked about, like what young

1658
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: players have been stepping up? What are who are? I

1659
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: felt like it was a missed opportunity. We talked about

1660
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: the Rams so much, don't remember I I I have

1661
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: a couple of thoughts. One, Matthew Stafford's the reports in

1662
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: camp are out of this world. That like, he's looked

1663
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 1: really good. So that's at least intriguing.

1664
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 4: Me outside of communicating with the all these so called

1665
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 4: younger players like like five years, big.

1666
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,839
Speaker 3: News, smile, he's got too, got those gleaming choppers.

1667
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: But number two, I think success this year is about

1668
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: these young players. So they have an edge rusher Byron Young,

1669
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: a rookie who's gonna start who I thinks look pretty good.

1670
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: They have a guard Steve Avila, what they believe is

1671
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: gonna be a foundation piece. In terms of a guard,

1672
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: Puoka Nakua is gonna play what a name Pooka nakoua

1673
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: slot receiver in the Cooper Cup Mold We'll see how

1674
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: good he is. And then they have a very young

1675
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 1: secondary couple second year players, including Darien Kendrick. They have

1676
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: Trey Tomlinson, the small cousin Ledanian like developing these guys

1677
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: in Stafford playing well to me, that success. We've talked

1678
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: so much about the Rams shook. I feel like I've

1679
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: we've talked, we've overextended ourselves on RAMS talk. I want

1680
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: to hear you talk about the Rams.

1681
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 3: Have we No.

1682
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: I feel like we've had a lot of RAMS talk

1683
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 1: this offseason just as a weird team.

1684
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 3: Uhh.

1685
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 6: I mean it doesn't help that you're right next door

1686
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 6: to the bat they play, But I think this is

1687
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 6: a team where you just lower expectations. I mean they

1688
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 6: they basically did that for themselves with the letter they

1689
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 6: sent the fans in the off season. Look, we're not

1690
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 6: going to be active in free agency. We are going

1691
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 6: to trade Jalen Ramsey or we just did we have

1692
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 6: to do this to be decent in the future, in

1693
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 6: the near futures to completely.

1694
01:13:58,840 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 5: Tearing it down.

1695
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 6: And that because you went all in, everybody saw you

1696
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 6: go all in and they got on board, and it

1697
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 6: got you a ring. And now you're just paying the

1698
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 6: price for it in a more straightforward way than the

1699
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 6: Buccaneers are doing, and that's perfectly fine. A successful season

1700
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 6: for them this year is staying healthy, is improving the

1701
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 6: offensive line, is helping Matthew Stafford develop a rapport with

1702
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 6: his younger teammates. Maybe, although how often are you really

1703
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 6: going to see that visualized on the field, I don't know,

1704
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 6: But I do like what they did, the minimal moves

1705
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 6: that they made in the off season. I love Steve Avila.

1706
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 6: I think that offensive line was their biggest need last year,

1707
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 6: very obviously, and I think he's gonna end up being

1708
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 6: there for a long time.

1709
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 3: That story from Stafford's wife maybe kind of sad.

1710
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 5: It is, but I would.

1711
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 4: I think it's just I think it's probably could have

1712
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 4: been like a bad day he had with or like

1713
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 4: a one day's sort of observation.

1714
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 3: Nobody plays cards anymore.

1715
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 4: We're all people are on cell phones. Guys and girls

1716
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 4: are staring at their cell phones all day long. A

1717
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 4: decade plus ago. This is not a new This is

1718
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 4: not just happening to the Rams locker room now. I

1719
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 4: mean I get to So.

1720
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 3: You're calling Matthew Stafford's wife a liar.

1721
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: Okay, No, not at all.

1722
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that, Like, I think he's probably all

1723
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 4: older players have had to deal with this for a while.

1724
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 5: He's the second oldest quarterback in the league. That's kind

1725
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 5: of crazy.

1726
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: I think it was all kind of tongue in cheek,

1727
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 1: and Sean Jean McVay definitely uh took issue with it.

1728
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: It was just saying, like, look, he's a leak. I

1729
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: think this happens to any older players, right, you think

1730
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and uh Nikhil Harry we're yucking it up.

1731
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 3: I like that you you said.

1732
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: That Pooka Poka.

1733
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 3: Was in the Cooper Cup mode. He's not a white guy,

1734
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 3: and that's that's good growth by.

1735
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: Everyone inside outside. How about pook especially, Well, what what.

1736
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 3: A time.

1737
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 6: Poka's brother and or cousin Kaiakula? That's worth it. I'll

1738
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 6: take another one. What is it kai Nakula?

1739
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 2: Okay, he's kind of kolah Arizona Cardinals. A fitting way

1740
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 2: to end things. I note, Mark Sessler, you.

1741
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 5: Gave me the jackpot here.

1742
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, you've moved on from the heart

1743
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 4: and soul of the organization called McQuay. Uh you now

1744
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 4: mind through a deep lost in outer space. Good laughter,

1745
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 4: All seems lost, I think if you're a Cardinals fan.

1746
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 3: But bit good laughter.

1747
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 5: Here's the thing. I think people are too down on

1748
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 5: what's happening in Arizona. I really do.

1749
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I think there is a light on

1750
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 4: the horizon. Okay, it's like one calendar year from now,

1751
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 4: we're very likely or very possibly talking about a team

1752
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 4: armed with a complete new like solar system in Caleb Williams.

1753
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 4: And then everything changed, and it's like I kind of

1754
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 4: think you got to get on board in this. But

1755
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 4: I would say, is there anyone here that is like

1756
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 4: morally opposed to the here no evil see no evil

1757
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 4: tank job? Because that's what they're doing, and no one's

1758
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 4: talking about it. No one, I mean they're talking about it.

1759
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 4: It's like we're just gonna this stuff just happens in

1760
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 4: the league does nothing about it. It's not what the

1761
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 4: NFL wants. But it's like when you cut Colt McCoy,

1762
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 4: you're only reliable.

1763
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: Veteran, like you're thirty eight years old, and what world

1764
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: was he reliable or necessarily better than Josh Stapp.

1765
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's an all pro. I'm just saying

1766
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 4: that the Cardinals are clearly going to this direction. I

1767
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 4: am saying I kind of don't care because if the

1768
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 4: if the ransom for this or what comes on the

1769
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 4: other side is the best quarterback coming out of college

1770
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 4: and you reset everything, I'm cool that to think there's

1771
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 4: some people that are getting like morally morally up, you know,

1772
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 4: thrown about.

1773
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 5: But because of the whole.

1774
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: Thing, well, just you know, if you're gonna charge full

1775
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 2: ticket prices and full parking and and ask your fans

1776
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 2: to you know, buy into the team and then not

1777
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 2: try which slashing prices would.

1778
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 5: You rather go?

1779
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 4: Like like a soft six win terrible team, not fun

1780
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 4: to watch it.

1781
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: They mightn't know that way if they overachieved and if

1782
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray actually came back. But to your point, there

1783
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: is light at the end of the rison. If you

1784
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: get Caleb Williams or Drake May and you get picks

1785
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 1: for Kyler Murray, we'll see if they bring him back

1786
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: or not. I mean, it's kind of easy to try

1787
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: to lose games. It's hard to do something with it.

1788
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 1: After that. They're over under now shook I saw is

1789
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: down to three and a half. Wow, which is the

1790
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: lowest for any team. I believe, like THEE tied for

1791
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: the lowest ever along with the expansion teams that have

1792
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: been added to the league, like Panther.

1793
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 6: Well, this roster isn't much better than an expansion team

1794
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 6: right now. I mean, that's that's basically what we're looking at.

1795
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 6: At the quarterback situation and beyond. On both sides of

1796
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 6: the ball, there is just they lack talent and Mark

1797
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 6: you said you don't have a problem with this right

1798
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 6: Well you'll have a problem. I know when you'll have

1799
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 6: a problem week six, when you pull it up on

1800
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 6: replay and you're like, oh my god, I gotta sit

1801
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 6: through forty minutes of this team playing terrible football. I

1802
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 6: can't believe their fans have to do this.

1803
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 4: No doubt, but I think, like you, if you float

1804
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 4: through the wilderness with no quarterback year after year and

1805
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 4: they have Kyler Murray, but like I think they're clearly

1806
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 4: moving on from him at some point.

1807
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: It's the NFL. Though they could stumble into four wins,

1808
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: the difference between the medium teams and the bad teams,

1809
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: even a team this bad isn't that huge.

1810
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 4: And I would take a terrible season for the best quarterback.

1811
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 4: Like coming out of the college draft in years.

1812
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray is one of the highest PID players in

1813
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 3: the league. Is on the roster.

1814
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 5: It's Kyler Murray.

1815
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 3: It's kind of beside the point to me.

1816
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 5: It's like, I think they're post Kyler Murray.

1817
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 2: This team is such a disaster. The decision making behind

1818
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 2: the scenes is a disaster. Every week there's a new story,

1819
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 2: like look into what there we just heard about Steve

1820
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 2: Kim and what's going on, and now we're talking about, Oh,

1821
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 2: it's okay to go one in sixteen because we could

1822
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,799
Speaker 2: look forward to a new quarterback next year. You already

1823
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 2: had the guy Kyler Murray last year, you gave him

1824
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 2: a massive contract, and now we're already looking past him

1825
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 2: getting traded away. Hold on, no, wait a second, Why

1826
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 2: should I trust as a Cardinals fan that next year

1827
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 2: is gonna be any better based on the way this

1828
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: team has been run for half a decade.

1829
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 4: Okay, so, first of all, I don't disagree that the

1830
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 4: Cardinals organization has issues. I mean, in fact, they've basically

1831
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 4: like tampered to get their current coach. You probably will

1832
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 4: be fired after this year, So it is, it is messy.

1833
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 4: I'm just saying any any football team around your football

1834
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,799
Speaker 4: team got Aaron Rodgers, everything's changed.

1835
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 5: If the Houston.

1836
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 4: Texans were in another world and now they've gotten a

1837
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 4: hope because they've got the young quarterback. It's like Kyler

1838
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 4: Murray was attached to the last coach in the last GM,

1839
01:19:58,600 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 4: in the last regime.

1840
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 5: It's all all new now.

1841
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 4: And if they want to move on from a guy

1842
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 4: that maybe football is not the most important thing on

1843
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 4: the planet to culinary or they're done with the experience,

1844
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 4: I get it. If you can get Caleb Williams, tell

1845
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 4: me Cardinals fans won't have a They'll they'll be fine

1846
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 4: a year from now.

1847
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 5: If that's the end result.

1848
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: I hear you. But I to Dan's point, the Cardinals

1849
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: are basically a lesser version of the Browns and Lions

1850
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: in terms of a team that's been as dysfunctional as possible. Now,

1851
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: they've had some higher moments in sans in this century

1852
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,560
Speaker 1: that sort of make you know, make you overlook that,

1853
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: But the way they've been moved around it's been the

1854
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,759
Speaker 1: same ownership. I hear that. And when you have Steve

1855
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: Wilkes and that's what you were referring to, testifying a

1856
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:44,480
Speaker 1: very trustworthy source that ownership, and Steve kind like directed

1857
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: him to use this burner phone and use this It's

1858
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 1: like it's bad. And ultimately, yeah, you can change the

1859
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 1: GM and the coach and maybe that'll lead to better.

1860
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: But you know, they are not a fan base that

1861
01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 1: has a lot of faith in the organization.

1862
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 2: And I I hate outward tanking because the one thing

1863
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 2: I think, and I've said it on the show before,

1864
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 2: don't take hope away from a fan base and just

1865
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 2: say sit through this year, pay us to take bad

1866
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 2: medicine here, and then everything's gonna be better next year

1867
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 2: with a shiny new toy under the Christmas tree. I

1868
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 2: just I'm not buying it that that's gonna be enough

1869
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 2: for Cardinals fans that are smart to feel like, oh,

1870
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 2: everything's gonna be okay if we just get through these next.

1871
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 4: Well maybe if you're smart, you're not a Cardinals fan

1872
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 4: to begin with, but you know, well.

1873
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:33,440
Speaker 1: We're Jason Zumbaldt.

1874
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 2: Any of us were born into it, and that's what

1875
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 2: makes it so hard.

1876
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 4: Let me but during the whole Browns journey and shook,

1877
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 4: I wonder where you're this, like they try to do

1878
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 4: this and it doesn't work necessarily, Like they end up

1879
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 4: getting Miles Garrett and Baker Mayfield. It's like one of

1880
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 4: those players is excellent, the other is gone. So yeah,

1881
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 4: it's a total it's a total wild card move. But

1882
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 4: if you ended up getting like a top three quarterback,

1883
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 4: I'm just saying for me, it's a long distance journey

1884
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 4: of being a fan. I could accept this if you

1885
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:06,839
Speaker 4: got a absolutely organizational altering Peyton Manning two point zero

1886
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 4: and then.

1887
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 2: But now we're talking a lotto ticket because how many

1888
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 2: Peyton Mannings are there?

1889
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 5: I know, but this is the way to swing to

1890
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 5: the defenses.

1891
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 2: How many bad teams? And as a Browns fan you

1892
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 2: knew this. As a Jets fan, I know this. You

1893
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 2: get the next great hope at quarterback, but then you

1894
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 2: give them a bad offensive line. Sure, don't give them

1895
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 2: good weapons, you give dysfunction behind the scenes. It's like

1896
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 2: you do not get the trust Cardinals for me to

1897
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 2: think you're gonna be okay if you just go through

1898
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 2: this bad year.

1899
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but typically functional teams don't pick number one overall

1900
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 4: unless they've done something insane to get up there. So

1901
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 4: it's like you like, it takes this kind of a

1902
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 4: player or a quarterback to come in and save and

1903
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 4: change organizations. When Brett fav came to the Packers, the

1904
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 4: Packers were an absolute disaster.

1905
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 5: They had been a disaster for a long long time.

1906
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 1: And all the same media. Okay though, because like the

1907
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,919
Speaker 1: Cardinal and I think Cardinals fans are having this flashback

1908
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,560
Speaker 1: after that four and thirteen and how embarrassing Kingsbury was.

1909
01:22:58,600 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: They had it a little bit with Steve Wilks, but

1910
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: for the most part since arians they've been in wizen Hunt,

1911
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: they've been fun. They've been frisky. From nineteen eighty five

1912
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: to two thousand and eight, that's a long time, same ownership.

1913
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: The Saint Louis slash Phoenix slash Arizona Cardinals had one

1914
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: winning season and that was a nine and seven Jake

1915
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 1: Plumber year. I mean that, and it's the same ownership.

1916
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: So you suddenly get these flashbacks that's like, oh, I

1917
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: remember when we were the old Cardinals and you're hoping

1918
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: those days don't come back.

1919
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 6: I feel I think it's it's dependent on the quarterback.

1920
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 6: Like Mark said, Caleb Williams could be that type of player,

1921
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 6: and I think that's why it's different. But I agree

1922
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 6: with you, Dan, because so many times you say, let's

1923
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 6: get the next great guy. But it changes based on

1924
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 6: is there.

1925
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 3: Really a Foeground conclusion with no Kyler Murray?

1926
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, that so Drake may could be the number

1927
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: one overall pick for all we know.

1928
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 6: Ye, it's a good class.

1929
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,759
Speaker 3: Is what is the consensus opinion right now that Kyler

1930
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 3: will be moved?

1931
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 4: Well, that's why it's a soft like tank. They're not

1932
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 4: like I think the way they treat that. And as

1933
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 4: the months go on, that story is going to grow.

1934
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 4: If if Kyler Murray clearly, you know, he says he's

1935
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 4: not ready himself, but if you get to the point

1936
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 4: that three months from now he's healthy and he's not

1937
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 4: playing now if they want, if they have one win,

1938
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 4: you kind of get that on some level, but like

1939
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 4: you've got to it's it's sort of unspoken that this

1940
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 4: team is clearly trying to get the number.

1941
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: I think if they got the one pick, Kyler Murray

1942
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,560
Speaker 1: is more likely to be elsewhere than they are. Absolutely

1943
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 1: to put the pick up for sale, but you never know.

1944
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be surprised if Kyler Murray as the quarterback

1945
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 4: you're not very surprised.

1946
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 2: Um, and just looking at their schedule because I've mentioned

1947
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 2: over watch a couple of times. If they don't find

1948
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 2: a win in those first twelve weeks, ending with a

1949
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 2: home game against the Rams, they close at Pittsburgh by home,

1950
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 2: San Francisco at Chicago, doable at Philly home Seattle, So wow,

1951
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 2: playoff rount.

1952
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: You gotta get it. They have a game at Houston.

1953
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: You got to get a win in the division. You

1954
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: know those teams, Well, you just gotta. You gotta beat

1955
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: the Sea Extra the Rams.

1956
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 2: Probably all right, shook, You've said it all. He said

1957
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 2: so much, said so much, you can't even speak anymore.

1958
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 3: It's over.

1959
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 1: Uh.

1960
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 6: It was a bad time for the Cardinals to introduce

1961
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 6: new uniforms.

1962
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 1: Check out the grid Iron podcast, the only podcast I

1963
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: believe in America that the world that Chok host. That

1964
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 1: is an F one slash football podcast.

1965
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,799
Speaker 2: No one ever thought to try this before Versatile.

1966
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 6: Luckily, my physical therapist suggested it and we were rolling.

1967
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 2: It's one of those ideas once you hear about it, like,

1968
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,839
Speaker 2: I can't believe I never thought of that F one.

1969
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: I can believe it because I don't know anything about

1970
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:33,919
Speaker 1: F one, but it's fun.

1971
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 3: All right.

1972
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 2: Thank you Shook, Thank you guys, everyone behind the glass mark,

1973
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 2: thank you, what a.

1974
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 5: Week well, thank you and thank your bit which.

1975
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 1: Was one of the best weeks of the year and

1976
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: it's leading to the actual best week of the year

1977
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: Week one.

1978
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 3: Go back and listen to that bit.

1979
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: We all liked it.

1980
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 3: Open ears heed the call.