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Speaker 1: This is Noble Meyer and you're listening to Swimming Upstream.

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Speaker 2: Swimming Upstream a new episode of our podcast show on

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Speaker 2: the Fish on First podcast channel, dedicated to prospect coverage

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Speaker 2: in the Miami Marlins organization. Usually you hear our guy

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Speaker 2: Alex Carver of Fish on the Farm leading you into

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Speaker 2: a new episode. I am, of course Eli Sussman, founder

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Speaker 2: of Fish on First. We got Kevin Barrall co hosting

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Speaker 2: with me, and this is going to be the first

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Speaker 2: of a bunch of interviews that we tackled with Marlin's

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Speaker 2: prospects over the course of this offseason. When checking in

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Speaker 2: with a guy that is not yet in his off

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Speaker 2: season yet, because Carson mill Brandt is staying busy in

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Speaker 2: the Arizona Fall League twenty twenty two, Marlin's draft pick

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, he ed, I would say's best

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Speaker 2: season and as a pro so far, and it's still

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Speaker 2: going for a couple more weeks. So we're chickening in

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Speaker 2: with Carson from out in the desert. How's it going, Carson,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for making the time for us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me. It's going good, you know,

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Speaker 3: just soaking in the last few weeks this season and

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Speaker 3: just hanging out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just a couple couple of weeks left for him

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Speaker 2: playing along with all the other Marlins prospects on the

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Speaker 2: Mason Solar Socks out there in Arizona. Now we're talking

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Speaker 2: to you on Sunday, just the day after the Major

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Speaker 2: League Baseball season ended. I guess one of the downsides

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Speaker 2: of being out in the fall League, for all the positives,

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Speaker 2: is that it conflicts with the baseball postseason. How much

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Speaker 2: of the postseason did you just get to watch this time?

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Speaker 2: Considering your game schedule out there?

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Speaker 4: You know, I got to watch a couple of games.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of weak. We get a night game we

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Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to watch.

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Speaker 3: But luckily for us, every single game this week was

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Speaker 3: a day game, so one thirty.

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Speaker 4: Game time. So I got to watch the past couple

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Speaker 4: of games. It's been pretty nice.

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Speaker 2: Game seven was probably about as crazy, listen, I can remember.

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Speaker 2: For Game seven in the World Series is about is

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Speaker 2: insane and dramatic as any that we've seen. So, I mean,

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Speaker 2: what was what was the vibe like there from where

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I was.

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Speaker 3: I was hoping for the Blue Jays to win, so

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Speaker 3: I was pretty excited for most of the game. You know,

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Speaker 3: I was looking promising and then uh, you know, the

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Speaker 3: ninth then it happened, and then it was kind of

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Speaker 4: But obviously the Dodgers end up winning. But it can't

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Speaker 4: be mad. You know, it was a great game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're in a weird position because it's pretty

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Speaker 2: soon hopefully you're going to be a big leaguer trying

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Speaker 2: to be for a World Series. But he just went

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Speaker 2: out and said, you were rooting for the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 2: Why particularly were you? What made you come to that decision?

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Speaker 3: You know, I just kind of felt like they were

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Speaker 3: You know, the Dodgers are kind of the super teams.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it'd be cool to watch the

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Speaker 3: Blue Jays one I don't like it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, Carson, most of your year was at

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Speaker 5: high with Lloyd, but you did finish the year in

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Speaker 5: Double A. It was a couple of starts, not you know,

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Speaker 5: nothing too crazy, But what do you take away from

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Speaker 5: in the Arizona Fall League, where a lot of those

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think it was definitely a jump.

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Speaker 3: You know, do you make mistakes, they definitely jump all

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Speaker 3: over it. But you know, part of moving up the

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Speaker 3: ladder is execution. So if you execute and stick to

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Speaker 4: But yeah, Sam goes for here.

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Speaker 3: You know a lot of these guys I'd have faced

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Speaker 2: I'm curious, Carson, looking back on it, what would you

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Speaker 2: consider the best game that you pitched this entire year?

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Speaker 2: You had an ERA of three, get a gazillion strikeouts.

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Speaker 2: If you were like, look back and try a two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd have to say the it was against the

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Speaker 4: So see, let me.

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Speaker 2: See if I can pull up the game like for

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Speaker 2: I can double take you it. Oh yeah, five shutout innings,

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Speaker 2: That is not as sexy a line as I could

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Speaker 2: get to. But the thing is so now that you're

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Speaker 2: just looking at check certain boxes when you go out

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Speaker 2: now when it comes to that as a guy that

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Speaker 2: do matter, right, and you just point to point again

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Speaker 2: where the results were awesome there. So yeah, what is

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Speaker 2: checking the boxes from it developmental standpoint versus actually getting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, the goals always to go

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Speaker 3: You know, you're coming from high school where you're just

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so that was huge for me this ye

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Speaker 3: usually honing on catch play, working on my development away

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Speaker 4: So that's been big for me.

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Speaker 5: One of the reasons you're in the AFL is your

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Speaker 5: in the year coming back from an orm issue. Just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so about in the middle of the spring training,

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Speaker 3: my arm was just pretty beat up, had some inflammation

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Speaker 3: So I took a couple It took like two weeks

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Speaker 4: You know, I missed a little bit of time.

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Speaker 3: But in terms of development from now to high school,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Especially my first year, first two years, I guess they're

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Speaker 3: But now it's like if I had to gross knuckleball,

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Speaker 3: It's like you're gonna go out there and compete with

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Speaker 2: Okay, Carson, watching you pretty closely, I've noticed some like

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Speaker 2: over time, some subtle changes in your mechanics. And we

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Speaker 2: actually have some little footage just so people can know

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Speaker 2: what I'm referring you right here. This is from the

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Speaker 2: Fall League. About the thing that's like most distinct to

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Speaker 2: trouble like coming up with other examples of guys who

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Speaker 2: do that. So it was working for you this year,

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Speaker 2: and it feels like it was more pronounced this year

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Speaker 2: with that step you'd take when you start that wind up. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: up with with that? Why do you think that? Why

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Speaker 2: why did you make that change this year?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I just there was one okay starting uh it

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Speaker 3: And I ended up just like I was gonna warm

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't anything from from coaching or one of

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Speaker 3: It's just like something just something that kind of clicked

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Speaker 4: Like see if it translated then yeah.

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Speaker 5: What were the coaches saying when they saw you do

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Speaker 3: And they're just like, yeah, I mean it's cool. You know,

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Speaker 5: Talk a little bit about your change up. You've worked

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Speaker 5: on this on the Pitston's turning pro, but with you know,

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Speaker 5: you haven't really needed it. Do you still play on

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Speaker 5: tickering with the change up? Or are you pretty happy

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Speaker 5: with where you are now with without one? Not really

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Speaker 5: needing it in your arsenal, but definitely a pitch that

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Speaker 5: you could have there up your sleep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously I'm still still working on it.

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Speaker 3: It's just kind of you know, it's gonna be something

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Speaker 3: that's gonna be the nice pitch to have, just just

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Speaker 3: to have, but yeah, you know it's I've been talking

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Speaker 3: to Bill or pitching coordinator a couple of the pitching

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Speaker 3: definitely trying to get that in. Definitely gonna have it right.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about that just because this year in particular,

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Speaker 2: you were amazing against right handed batters and usually that's

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Speaker 2: Now, Carson, you last pitched a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 4: As far as you know, I got.

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Speaker 5: So you have to go back to the cold after this.

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Speaker 4: I have to go straight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll enjoy the rest of the Fall League experience

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Speaker 2: It's the way you guys are playing lately. It seems

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to town for sure.

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Speaker 2: and best of luck. Thanks again for making the time

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me