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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast

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Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue.

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Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazier, and I am so excited for my

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Speaker 2: guest today and you will be as well for everybody

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Speaker 2: who was walking the walk with me in my stem

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Speaker 2: cell journey. And I know a lot of people have questions,

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Speaker 2: and I said, you know what, I'm not the doctor.

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Speaker 2: I'm not the one who did it. So let me

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Speaker 2: bring the doctor on who did it so we could

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Speaker 2: really answer a lot of your questions. And I really

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Speaker 2: want to have my experience share with so many people

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Speaker 2: through the lens of the doctor who did it for

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Speaker 2: me and it's changed my life. But before I get

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Speaker 2: to him, if you're like many people, you may be

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Speaker 2: surprised to learn that one in five adults in this

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Speaker 2: country experienced mental illness last year. Get far too many

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Speaker 2: failed to receive the support they need. Carolyn, behavior health

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Speaker 2: is doing something about it. They understand the behavioral health

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Speaker 2: is a key part of whole health, delivering compassionate care

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Speaker 2: that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs and tandem

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Speaker 2: Carolin behavioral health raising the quality of life through empathy

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Speaker 2: and action. Right, So with that, I want to welcome

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Speaker 2: in somebody who I'm incredibly grateful for from origins in

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Speaker 2: Panama City, Panama, Doctor James Utley. How are you, Doc?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Now you guy asked me the same question, Yeah, how

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 3: How are you doing?

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Speaker 4: I've been falling along and being just super stoked to

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Speaker 3: You've made, and man, it's just been amazing.

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Speaker 2: So I went down for everybody who doesn't know the story.

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Speaker 2: I was a week away from a back fusion. I

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Speaker 2: have ruptured my L four L five five times, L

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Speaker 2: one L two four times. I've herniated C two three

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Speaker 2: four five from all these years of wrestling and boxing

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Speaker 2: and fighting and being an idiot with my friends.

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Speaker 5: Back then we used to spar and train. We just

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Speaker 2: In fact, man, way back in the day we got

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Speaker 5: So I've beaten up with my body so incredibly bad.

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Speaker 2: I've had two ankle surgeries that or an ankle surgery

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Speaker 4: And I remember because I was like, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 2: No, all right, so let's now again. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out. I mean, I'm so excited

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Speaker 2: is debilitating, and for somebody like me with mental health issues,

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Speaker 2: that the pain leads more to your mental health issues.

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Speaker 2: It prevention from sleeping, and it just makes me cranky

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Speaker 2: So it had repopped that morning. I was not able

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and one leg was working better than the other.

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Speaker 2: Since I've gotten this procedure, Gang, I am one hundred

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Speaker 2: this one hundred percent. I'm not fifty percent or seventy

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Speaker 2: what that procedure is. But not only that I went

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Speaker 2: I'm not coming on here saying that I am somewhat better.

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Speaker 2: I am one hundred percent nerve pain free. And right

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Speaker 2: after I left Panama, I had to go on my

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Speaker 2: So let's here's the add one thing it didn't cure

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Speaker 3: Both, so we're gonna we'll have a good conversation.

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Speaker 2: So I want to go into what these stem cells are,

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Speaker 2: while they're different in America. I also want to go

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Speaker 2: into the procedure you did for me, procedure did for

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Speaker 2: my friend Elliot Ruiz, who you have completely changed his

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Speaker 2: life with. He has multiple sclerosis and he's had eighteen

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Speaker 2: surgeries from getting injured in war saving American POWs for

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Speaker 2: the Marines. So I think you did a little bit

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Speaker 2: different for him than you did from you. You did

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Speaker 2: something additionally. But let's go into the science first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure, Okay.

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Speaker 2: The floor is yours. My add my ADHD is gonna

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Speaker 2: get put in a corner over here. The floor is yours.

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Speaker 4: Okay, no, Rob, Yeah, we always start with like you know,

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Speaker 4: so of course we provide messen kyml stem cell therapy,

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Speaker 4: which is are harvested from umbilical cords. Uh, you know

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Speaker 4: a mezen chymal stem cell? Right, So mesin chinmal it's

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Speaker 4: a multipotent stem cell that really can differentiate or meaning

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Speaker 3: But the real magic and they regenerate those Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 4: What they become that identity, right, Yeah, and they're they're

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Speaker 3: Right, but of course these are the ones that we

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Speaker 2: So you're getting like, so the difference too, like I'm

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Speaker 2: America they try and tell you it's the same here,

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Speaker 2: they're just taking my stems. Yeah, is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Time I want my stem cells, I mean making it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a there as oult as you. I mean,

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Speaker 4: and people probably argue it, but it's you know, it's

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Speaker 4: then the sum cells are harvested. There's not really the characterization,

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Speaker 5: Want is my own stem cells. I'm way too fucked up.

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Speaker 2: That's something that's already in my body, reproduced more stuff.

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Speaker 2: get back there. So mesl kymo stem cells there, How

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Speaker 4: Okay, So it all starts with the gracious donation of

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Speaker 4: A recruitment program which we recruit these mothers and these

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Speaker 4: So there's no incentive to these, there's just pure voluntary donation.

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Speaker 4: So at that point, you know, we kind of sure

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Speaker 2: When my friends have babies here in America, they are

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Speaker 2: offered if they want to keep their their important blood.

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Speaker 2: So so my friends just had a baby, they decided, yes,

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Speaker 3: It's nothing more than that.

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Speaker 2: So the process just for people know they took my

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Speaker 4: know it's so.

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Speaker 2: It's not normal that somebody would feel better in the

437
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,040
Speaker 2: next there two days later.

438
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,480
Speaker 4: Now it's actually not in that's uh. So we try

439
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,280
Speaker 4: to keep all our standard, our process nice and standard.

440
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,720
Speaker 4: And then you, as the patient, your response is really

441
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,159
Speaker 4: how that you know, how you mix you know how

442
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,159
Speaker 4: the how the cells and your body harmonize.

443
00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 2: Really and I go into things thinking they're not going

444
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,479
Speaker 2: to work, because I've had so many people don't work.

445
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,040
Speaker 2: Give me false hope, yeah right, you know that, right, Yeah,

446
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,879
Speaker 2: I come down, folks, I'm an asshole because I'm tired

447
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 2: of of false hope. I'm just tired of it. I've

448
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 2: had thirty five different antidepressant and anti anxiety medications that

449
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,320
Speaker 2: have told me they're going to work, and none have.

450
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,560
Speaker 2: I've had different sleep aids that people promised for work

451
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,119
Speaker 2: and do not. And I've had different so many different things,

452
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 2: so many different recovery and rehab things, and they don't.

453
00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,000
Speaker 2: And drive it's demoralizing because you get so a lot

454
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,199
Speaker 2: of people can sell you and they get you so

455
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 2: excited that finally things are going to subside, and they don't.

456
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 2: And not only do they not as a result of

457
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,919
Speaker 2: I don't want to say the rug getting pulled out

458
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 2: from under me, but it not happening, it puts me

459
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Speaker 2: in a worse position. So I go down right and

460
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 2: I am like, y'all going to really prove something to me.

461
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 2: So that second day, right, and that second day, I

462
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 2: was like, maybe it's man, maybe it's just the placebo effect.

463
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,160
Speaker 2: And every day I started and it started getting better

464
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 2: and better and better, to the point I came back

465
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Speaker 2: home and I think like three days after, I was

466
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Speaker 2: doing squats and you guys all call it saying what

467
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Speaker 2: do you do? Like, don't do that? I said, well, man,

468
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,640
Speaker 2: I haven't been paying free and so long. I want

469
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Speaker 2: to jump back in at doing something probably not the

470
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Speaker 2: brightest thing, right.

471
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Speaker 4: I know, I was like, oh no, you know, I

472
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 4: was like wow, we said, don't go so hard so quick,

473
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, there he is, yeah after it, Yeah,

474
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 4: keep him down.

475
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Speaker 2: But so my friend Elliott Ruiz, who I sent down

476
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 2: a marine hero again, he had multiple sclerosis.

477
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 5: He was not able to move his foot for years.

478
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 2: He drags his foot and a weekend he told me

479
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: his foot's not dragging, and is that so?

480
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 5: Is that because it regenerated the nerve.

481
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 2: In his ankle.

482
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Speaker 4: It's really hard to say the mechanism on that. It's

483
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Speaker 4: we would still consider that an off target effect because

484
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 4: we weren't expecting that, honestly. But the you know, I

485
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 4: think him you know, receiving the therapy then continuing his

486
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 4: active lifestyle and you know, really you know, as the

487
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Speaker 4: cells are in his body, you know, had the right

488
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 4: frame frame of mind, you know, and really, hump, it

489
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 4: was just an outcome. And we're you know, I'm personally

490
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Speaker 4: very thankful to be able to treat him, you know,

491
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Speaker 4: to provide him the cell product from our lab, and

492
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 4: you know, we continue to watch these patients and follow

493
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Speaker 4: up because it's it's really kind of a blessing.

494
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Speaker 2: Actually tell me some of the greatest benefits of Messa

495
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Speaker 2: Como Stone Sill.

496
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's really you know, it's it's really between

497
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 4: two things, right. It's the secreteum of what the cells secrete.

498
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 4: It's immune modultory, so it kind of calms your immune system, right.

499
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 4: I think just generally we don't you know, especially with

500
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Speaker 4: ortho injuries, we don't really like look at you know,

501
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 4: what kind of impact an immune response or an autoimmune

502
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Speaker 4: response or something like that really has on that. And

503
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 4: that's just my own opinion. And then the anti inflammatory,

504
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 4: So it's those two things, right that really kind of

505
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 4: changes the dynamic of you. And then if you're an active,

506
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Speaker 4: healthy individual you know, and I tell you know, we

507
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 4: often talk about this in our position group, is you know,

508
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 4: the the gains that you're going to receive because the

509
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 4: cells are providing environment that's better. You know that it's

510
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 4: anti inflammatory, that's helping you become more active. Then hey,

511
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 4: that's you know, you keep those gains. So after the

512
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Speaker 4: cells die off, you know, in that six month time

513
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Speaker 4: period and they quit doing what they're doing, you're still

514
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 4: going to keep those strength.

515
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Speaker 3: Gains, you know, and that's that's really kind of the

516
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 3: magic mind.

517
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Speaker 5: So they're working for you though for six months in

518
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Speaker 5: your body.

519
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're regenerating, they're signaling other cells in the environment.

520
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Speaker 2: With anti inflammatory fact obviously, what are some of the

521
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: like I said, my friend have multiple sclerosis, it's helped him.

522
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 2: I've was getting back fusion. It's helped me and helped

523
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 2: me with three different areas. What are some of the

524
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: proven diseases or conditions that you guys know this works for.

525
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I mean both of those, like the muscle

526
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 4: skeletal injury. Of course, you know, this is a frontier

527
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 4: right and it's kind of weird that we think about it.

528
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 4: You know, you you and I are on the we're

529
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 4: on the outs, on the outer edge, right, yeah, we are.

530
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 4: I mean, but the reality of this has been studied

531
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Speaker 4: for decades, thirty years or more, you know, in different

532
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 4: and some pockets of you know, like meaning the cardiology,

533
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 4: the cardiac you know, there's a lot of research there.

534
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 4: You know, it's just it just it just hasn't outside

535
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 4: of clinical trials, you know, just it's not widely available

536
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 4: for clinical application, which is actually Travesky.

537
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Speaker 3: So in terms of regenita of medicine.

538
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 4: These ortho injuries, you know, osteothritis seems to be a

539
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 4: really primary indication. The ortho injuries, they seem to be

540
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 4: really high.

541
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Speaker 2: Is as far as just your as an injury like yeah,

542
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: like a torn achilles or a torn hamstering, were injured

543
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: knee or an injured shoulder like or.

544
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 5: My back injuries or ruptures things like that.

545
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 3: Right exactly.

546
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 4: That's uh, yeah, there really and breaks right, yeah, it's

547
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 4: h and that's that's really the uh, those are kind

548
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 4: of really primary applications, you know, the autoimmune side of things.

549
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 4: We there's a lot of researchers coming out in you know,

550
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 4: in MS. There's a you know, opportunities for you know,

551
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 4: incorporating this as a standard of care, you know, and

552
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 4: I think that all of these, all these should be

553
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Speaker 4: incorporated as as a standard of care or at least

554
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 4: a patient be aware. And then we've uh, you know,

555
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 4: colleague of mine at Origins, you know, he has a

556
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: history of with autism and so we've been doing uh,

557
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 4: you know, we've.

558
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 3: Been researching that and in that realm there.

559
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 4: So I think those are those are really uh three

560
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 4: kind of highlights, you know, and but we we look

561
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 4: at these case by case because we know that there's

562
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 4: the the on target and the off target effects, so

563
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 4: we you know, we try to take every patient as

564
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 4: a case by case and we kind of look at

565
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Speaker 4: them holistically. And then we look at the literature and

566
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 4: we have a consensus group in which we decide, okay, well,

567
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 4: what's what kind of expected therapy to gain is publishing

568
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 4: the literature, what have we seen at our clinic, et cetera,

569
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 4: et cetera, and then go from there.

570
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: When I was down there, I had a friend call

571
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: and he said, hey, can you ask the doc about

572
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 2: this condition. I'd never heard it was a nerve condition,

573
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: And again I asked, you guys. You guys looked it up,

574
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: and it turned out the Cleveland Clinic had just published

575
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: their findings the day before that this meso commas stem

576
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: cells completely cures this new condition, which was like, it's like,

577
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 2: it was so ironic. The studies came out the day

578
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: before and this was from the Cleveland clinic.

579
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's really wild, and it speaks to the

580
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 4: fact that that the industry it's really so fragmented, like

581
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 4: if we was if we you know, I mean, of

582
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 4: course I worked in a large healthcare organization and sell

583
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 4: therapies for.

584
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Speaker 3: You know, lots of years. You know, if we were

585
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 3: more harmonized.

586
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 4: That's here in the States and the globally, you know,

587
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 4: we could really provide you know, some some beneficial research

588
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 4: and acts us to patients, et cetera. But it's just

589
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 4: really fragmented right now.

590
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: And you guys are located in JOHNS. Hopkins University Hospital

591
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: down there in Panama City.

592
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 4: You have been with them, right, yeah, I mean I'm

593
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 4: a Hopkins alum. They the hospital that is right next

594
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Speaker 4: to us.

595
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 3: That's a Pacific salute.

596
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 4: There are Hopkins affiliate right so one of they're the

597
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 4: best hospital there in Panama City, and we're you know,

598
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: our clinic is right next next to them, and so yeah,

599
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 4: that's the uh and that's where we kind of have,

600
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 4: you know, we have harmony there, I guess.

601
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Speaker 5: So let me ask you, what, why is this not

602
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 5: available in America?

603
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really kind of Is it available in every

604
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: country but America?

605
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: No?

606
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 4: I guess the thought process is that Panama's like kind

607
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: of wide open in terms of the use of Fells

608
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 4: celluo therapist. But believe it or not, they aren't, you know,

609
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 4: they have most certainly regulations that we have to you know,

610
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 4: they have to.

611
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: Be followed, et cetera.

612
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 4: Now Here in the US, it's really around, you know,

613
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 4: kind of oversimplified, is around minimally manipulated and then more

614
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 4: than minimally manipulated.

615
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 3: So it's like those two terms, right, So.

616
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 4: What the FDA, you know, as says, outside of a trial,

617
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 4: if you're doing something that's more than minimally manipulated, which

618
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 4: would be culture expanding ourselves into a dose, right, then

619
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 4: I guess it's not found in nature, is one way

620
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: that I've been explained. Then it is, you know, that

621
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 4: has considered more than minimally manipulated.

622
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: So therefore you're.

623
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 4: Only able to use it if you go through all

624
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 4: the investigation new drug or the biological license agreement, you know,

625
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 4: the regulatory framework. So that's really kind of a hard

626
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 4: stop there. But it also gives rise to here in

627
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 4: the States, you know, this ad of post stem cells

628
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: and these stem cell clinics that pop up here and there,

629
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 4: which the yeah, the FATS, which the FDA goes to

630
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 4: great lengths to make sure that they are really have

631
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 4: an adversarial kind of outlook with those folks, and they

632
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: warn warned patients, warned patients, and unfortunately that translates to

633
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 4: you know, people like us that are you know, we're

634
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 4: operating in Panama. We operate by all the US regulars

635
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 4: as continuous good manufacturing practice.

636
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 3: We have it.

637
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 4: You know, we'll seeking creditation with a DEEM status, which

638
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 4: means a federal organization here in the US to come out.

639
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 4: You know, we're open. You know, we have isolab all

640
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 4: the certification stuff. We brought people from the you know,

641
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 4: from the US to Panama so we you know, everything

642
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 4: is nice and transparence. As you know, the lab is

643
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 4: fully glassed so you can see everything that's happening at

644
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: any time.

645
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: It's stunned. I couldn't believe it. I was stunned when

646
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: I walk in. I thought I was in like this

647
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: futuristic place from the minority reporter, there's incredible. Yeah.

648
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 4: So that's the whole thing is if there's one thing

649
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 4: that we want to do is we want to make

650
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 4: sure that everyone has access to this therapy. You know,

651
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 4: and I had mentioned that it being a standard of care.

652
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 4: So if you're kind of in that, if you're a

653
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 4: patient that's in that, like should I get surgery or

654
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 4: not kind of question, you know, or that or you know,

655
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 4: like if you're not aware of this, you know, this

656
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 4: may be a therapy that's right for you. You know,

657
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: and the minimum, at the basic you should at least

658
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 4: be aware, you know, the body autonomy is important thing,

659
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 4: you know.

660
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: Look, I'm trying to tell NFL teams about it all

661
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: the time too, because it's like if you're I don't

662
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: know if you guys want to put your price out

663
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: there or not, or if you want it out or not.

664
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 2: But I'm telling teams man, for this price, if you're

665
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: going to lose a guy for there was a team

666
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: I talked to they were gonna lose a guy for

667
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: eight weeks with the broken wrist.

668
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 5: They sent him down to another place and he missed

669
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 5: three weeks.

670
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: So if it's just gonna cut down one game, you

671
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: might as well send somebody down. And by the way, folks,

672
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: the whole thing I was down there. It was a

673
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 2: three day process for us. We decided to stay five

674
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: days because Rosie and I just loved Panama City so much.

675
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: We didn't know what to expect and we loved, Oh yeah,

676
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: what a hidden gem. Oh my god, the old city

677
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: looks like New Orleans. The new city looks like a

678
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: newer Miami and it's very safe and Origins provides us

679
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: with a car constantly, a concierge constantly. We had two

680
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: of the best restaurant experiences we've ever had in our

681
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: entire lives. The hotel you put us up at is ridiculous,

682
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: Like there's like seven pools and fifteen restaurants and oh

683
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: my god, it was. It was such a it was

684
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: it just blew my mind. So we ended up staying extra.

685
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: But that's where like for these teams, like, man, if

686
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: you could you have all this investment in these players

687
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: and yeah, then missing one game, could you know, mean

688
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: the difference of you winning or losing.

689
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: It's just so worth it. Yeah, I totally agree. I

690
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: totally agree.

691
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 4: And that's the we We we look at that and

692
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 4: we research that in terms of both in the lab

693
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 4: and then we look at the patients and you know,

694
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: in devo like how it up and we just you know,

695
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 4: if we can reduce that time that you know that

696
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: you know through the regenitive properties of mesic coms, so

697
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 4: we can reduce that, you know, enhance that you get

698
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 4: in that anti inflammatory state, you know, enhance that recovery.

699
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: You know. That makes perfect sense to me, and we'll

700
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: continue to do that.

701
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: People ask, do you guys want to say the price

702
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: over here? Would you rather people just reach.

703
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: I actually don't know the press, you know, Now that's

704
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: the whole thing, you know. I give credit.

705
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 4: I give credit to the team about you know, the

706
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: whole cultural experience and the whole you know, because they

707
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 4: do a great job of that. Me, you know, I'm

708
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 4: kind of just I just work here. At the price,

709
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 4: I just work here too.

710
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pricey, but for me, it's invaluable for what

711
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: I got ridiculous.

712
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 5: But also I think it's like triple overseas in Europe.

713
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: Then, oh yeah, from what I've heard from the different prices,

714
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: and there's places like Columbia and Mexico, and I wouldn't

715
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: want to go to some of the other places I've

716
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: heard about, but this place was so safe and just

717
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: like I said, we extended our trip by two days

718
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: because we loved it so much. I've been asked this

719
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: a lot when I go around, and I didn't know

720
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: the answer to it. People said, hey, do you have

721
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: to go back and do it again?

722
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of depends I think it's a real

723
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 4: fair assessment to say that annually, right, you should kind

724
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 4: of assess it annually. Now what that means is again,

725
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 4: it's like if you had the treatment, then you kind

726
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 4: of rehabbed, right, and then you're keeping those games and

727
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 4: you just feel like, hey, you know what, I'm happy

728
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: healthy quality of life has improved. And it kind of

729
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 4: depends on where you're at, then maybe maintenance isn't right

730
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 4: for you. But if you're you know, especially the anti

731
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 4: aging or those folks that are you know, it seems

732
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: that they're looking to prolong you know, they're prolonging their

733
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: quality of life.

734
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: And you know, so it seems that it's fair every year.

735
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: So what does it do.

736
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: What does it do for anti aging?

737
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 4: Well, it's uh, so we call it an anti aging

738
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: or an anti frailty protocol.

739
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: And it's those that.

740
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: You know, they kind of have this like nagging, non

741
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 4: specific pain, you know, just from being you know, older,

742
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 4: et cetera.

743
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: And it's really the IVY therapy.

744
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: It's really been shown to you know, you know, the heart,

745
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: the lungs and uh and those So it's uh and

746
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 4: I guess there's some evidence of skin, there's some you

747
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 4: know some therapy that way. So these just kind of

748
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 4: use it to you know, there, if you're an active

749
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: older person you want to continue working, we hear that

750
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: a lot.

751
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: If you want to you know, have a fruit full life.

752
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 5: You know, you're turning back the hands of time.

753
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really I do know a lot of people

754
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: who go down over and over for this to turn

755
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: back the hands of time. And they look fantastic. Yeah,

756
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: I said, they look they look great.

757
00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

758
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: So again, the one I did was the IVS three days, right,

759
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: views you did inject exosomes into my back where the

760
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: cute injury was.

761
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, how's that different?

762
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: How are the exomes different than the stem cells?

763
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

764
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 4: So exosomes, you know, as I keep mentioning the sacrinum

765
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: of the cells, right, the sucrenium of the M S C.

766
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: That is wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

767
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: wait wait wait. I went to pace College. I got

768
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: kicked out of my first college and we went to

769
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: PACEE College and barely went to class.

770
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, give give it to me more Layman's terms.

771
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopkins ter.

772
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, the what the cells secrete are actually exosomes, right,

773
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 4: so we so we use we can think of it

774
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 4: as cells as you know, a delivery vehicle or you know,

775
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 4: and then the exosomes are you know, the good stuff

776
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: that when we squeeze them, it's the good stuff.

777
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: So we use, uh, we use the technique to you know,

778
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: I guess, stress the cells or provide.

779
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: Them to you know, squeeze, squeeze the juice out, and

780
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: then we harvest that that juice there, which is exosomes.

781
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 4: And so they're they're an acellular product I meaning they

782
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 4: don't they're not a cell. And then we provide them

783
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: in the tissue, which means that they're they're fast acting.

784
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: They get and that's why we have to kind of

785
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 4: get them local because they don't have that you know,

786
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 4: homing or targeting aspect.

787
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: So they're just they're just the goodness of the juice.

788
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: And that's that's really what ex zomes are, and it's

789
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 4: how cells will signal to each other. And but that's

790
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 4: that's really it.

791
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: And then when Elliott went down, you guys also did

792
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: with a nebulizer.

793
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, we used to nebulize exosomes because the exosomes.

794
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 4: Are you know, really really really really small, and so

795
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 4: we we want to uh, you know, use it to

796
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 4: cross the blood brain barrier and so we you know this,

797
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: there's some literature published on that treatment and so we

798
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: brain as in so.

799
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 5: If you can put in a nebulizer, it can go

800
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 5: and affect your brain for people like me depressing anxiety.

801
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for.

802
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the so we use an application for autoimmune

803
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: of course, and then for autism we had success with

804
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: using nebulized exisomes.

805
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

806
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, well there's a I mean it's a matter of

807
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: Inkerman and of course still being research and stuff. But

808
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 4: I would say that if you have some you know,

809
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 4: if you have something positive happening to you, then we're

810
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: going to continue to follow it.

811
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: And we have to get enough patience to make sure

812
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: that we can solidify that.

813
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: But I think they if you would probably ask the parents,

814
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 4: they would probably be quite happy.

815
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: Really. Yeah, that's that's yeah.

816
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're we continue to research that. You know,

817
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: we'll continue to look at that.

818
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, nebulized exisomes, you know, and again you know Elliott,

819
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 4: he you know, he elected for that, and we were

820
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: did all of our homework prior to so hey, everybody,

821
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 4: we'll do it.

822
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 5: He had traumatic brain injury. Is that why he has

823
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 5: to do that?

824
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it's part of the we looked at.

825
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 4: It is a treat you know, treatment option for MS

826
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: multiple Yeah, for the other physicians.

827
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 2: He's so happy. Man. He said he has no ancle

828
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: pane foot moving and not dragging his I think he

829
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: said he's like ninety five percent back pain free. He's

830
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: sleeping throughout the night, which he hasn't done. But he's

831
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: picking his daughter up.

832
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: Now. Yeah, that part, that part got me and made

833
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: me emotionally. You know, I'm a parent myself. And he

834
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: messaged me like directly and told me, you know, and.

835
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 4: I just still I'm just really really grateful, you know,

836
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 4: like that's that's why I'm here.

837
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: I'm here for those moments, you know, and that's that's. Uh.

838
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 3: I am eternally grateful for him, for sure.

839
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: So I was down there with an NFL player who

840
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: i'd known, and I lost talk with him, and he

841
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: told me that when he was done playing from his

842
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: head injuries and and you know, different things, Uh, he

843
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: suffered really bad migraines and the migraines turned to seizures. Yeah,

844
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: and he said five hours after his first IV is

845
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: the last seizure or migraine.

846
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: He's hat Oh, amazing.

847
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, low my mind. Right, and he was down there

848
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: with me this time because he was getting his shoulders done.

849
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: And same thing he said he left.

850
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 5: It was that day his shoulders we were paying free.

851
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: When again, you guys, tell us and take two weeks

852
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 2: to six months.

853
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: We got we got to be conservative, you know, we

854
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 3: have to be conservative.

855
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: What's the what give me? Give me an example of

856
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: somebody that you that came down that made you so

857
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 2: either blew your mind or just like, oh my god,

858
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: this one really made me happy.

859
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think uh there way, we had an older gentleman, right,

860
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 4: and uh, I spent a lot of time with him,

861
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 4: maybe two hours, and he went over a lot of

862
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 4: things that you know, one had you know, happened to

863
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 4: him because of his disease condition, et cetera. And you know,

864
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: we provided our standard protocol and you know, and I've

865
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 4: just kept in touch and and uh it's really been

866
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 4: kind of fruitful that you know, and every patient that

867
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: you know provides us feedback. You know, I'm very grateful for.

868
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 4: But you know, there's some that you connect with. You know,

869
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 4: you can see your you can see your own family,

870
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 4: and that's how I always approach it, even with you,

871
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 4: you know, I mean everyone everyone is, uh is somebody's father, brother, son,

872
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 4: et cetera. You know, and uh we we always you know,

873
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 4: we look at everything like it was you know, it

874
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: was our own family for sure.

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Speaker 2: Man. Well, I can't be more grateful for what you

876
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: guys have done for me. Folks, this happened.

877
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: I can be more grateful for you. Jay, You're you're

878
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: out here on the periphery with me, you know, like

879
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 3: where this is. This is the educate people. Yeah, yeah, totally.

880
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 4: And I really you're an advocate and I'm I am

881
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: you know, really I appreciate it.

882
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: Well, Listen, I was, like I said, I was a

883
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,479
Speaker 2: week away from a final fusion, and now I don't

884
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: need it. And I am man anytime I can get where,

885
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: I could stand straight up, and I have nerve paying

886
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: and my hips are working again, am I. I'm able

887
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: to turn over my punches and I and I could sleep.

888
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: It's just man, it's just changed my life. So I

889
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: really really appreciate what you guys done. Like and I

890
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: was going in there expecting it not to work. I

891
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: thought that you can be full of shit like everything else,

892
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: and it has changed my life. I am nerve pain free.

893
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: So people, if for for everybody out there, go to

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Speaker 2: origin So it's au R A ge n S. What

895
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: is it origins dot com or dot com?

896
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, okay, Origins.

897
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 5: Dot com or go to their Instagram page.

898
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: It's I think it's the Origins, right, yeah, Origins at

899
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Speaker 2: the Origins A U R A g e n S. Doc,

900
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I

901
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: do plan to come down again with Rosie in January

902
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 2: because she didn't get the treatments. So now we're gonna

903
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: get her the treatments in January, and I'm gonna I'm

904
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: gonna load up again more. I might as well, but

905
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully I won't have another injury to deal with.

906
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna keep doing I loved it. Yeah. Now

907
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: I'm doing good. I'm training fully, everything's great, and I

908
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: just can't I can't thank you enough for what you've

909
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: done for me and for you know, a hero in

910
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: Elliott Ruiz. I can't thank you enough, Doc.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I've been following along, you know, and even I've had

913
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 4: a day where I was like really overwhelmed and ever

914
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 4: and then I just I was following you on Instagram

915
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 4: and I see that you're getting after it, you know,

916
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, now it's time to get back

917
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 4: to work.

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Speaker 3: We're doing good work here, so I'm I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Doc. Thank you so much. Brothers, my guy doctor jams

920
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: Utley from the orig Gents down in Panama City again

921
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: look them up origins dot com. Thank you for walking

922
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: this walk together with me, Doc, and now I'm able

923
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: to walk the walk upright.

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Speaker 3: My pleasure? Perfect?

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Speaker 2: All right, dog God bless you