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Speaker 1: The names have been changed to protect the integrity of

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Speaker 1: the investigation. On December sixth, two thousand and seven, deputies

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Speaker 1: responded to a call of a burning black bag. The

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Speaker 1: human remains.

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Speaker 2: The hands, feet, and head were missing. Y'all, please welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Author, former chief of police, former state trooper and sheriff's deputy,

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Speaker 1: and Colgate's investigator, Clay Bryant.

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Speaker 2: Chief Clay, welcome back, sir.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. I'm glad to be back er.

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Speaker 1: I tell you, I got to tell everybody kind of

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Speaker 1: what happened to get this thing rolling tonight. Y'all. You

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Speaker 1: know I love Clay Brant. You know, he's the best

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Speaker 1: that has ever done it. He gives me a call

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Speaker 1: and says, hey, I want to come by the police

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Speaker 2: To you a minute. I said, come on.

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Speaker 1: So he comes and he's got a case file with

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Speaker 1: him and he says, hey, I want to show you

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Speaker 1: something and talk to you and maybe see if we

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Speaker 1: can work.

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Speaker 2: Together a little bit. I said, that would be a dream. Yes,

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Speaker 2: whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So he runs me through the case, and it

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Speaker 1: gets later and later, closer to supper time, and I

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Speaker 2: Case good in my head. I got the facts and everything.

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Speaker 2: I'm good to go.

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Speaker 1: He said, I'll call you tomorrow, but I'm having a

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Speaker 1: hard time finding this person.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not real sure how we want to charge

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Speaker 2: this person.

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Speaker 1: And so we're talking about different things, and you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the it is that I had he had

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Speaker 1: already tried. But he's getting there. I mean, he's he's

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Speaker 1: better at it than anybody. And I said, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: we could just alcoupone her and whatever you can get

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Speaker 1: from there.

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Speaker 2: So y'all. The very next morning, I was so excited.

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Speaker 3: I'm on do it.

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Speaker 1: At seven o'clock, I get my legal pat out, I

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Speaker 1: got my blue and my black pan, I got my highlighters,

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Speaker 1: I got my sticky notes, because that's.

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Speaker 2: Like how I like to work.

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Speaker 1: And I'm about to frame this thing up for me.

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Speaker 1: Seven point fifteen, my phone rings and it's Clay Bright

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Speaker 1: and he goes, hey, Gal, I found her.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, you've already solved it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even get rolling and he's already solved it,

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Speaker 1: and I got to tell you that.

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Speaker 2: Didn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: So Clay, I appreciate you being here, and I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you helping me walk everybody through this case and where

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Speaker 1: we're at so far.

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Speaker 2: But I just wanted them to know that's how you operate.

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Speaker 3: You're a little too gracious hero. It's you know when

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Speaker 3: it comes to that was kind of like it happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: probably one of the most disturbing ones that I have

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Speaker 3: ever looked into. Uh. The body was in six plastic

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Speaker 3: an accelerant that was determined to be gasoline, and a

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Speaker 3: no succession, or anything that would have taken us to identity.

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Speaker 3: The apartment was this and of that. But I couldn't

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Speaker 1: You know, now, let me ask you this now, in

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Speaker 1: And you did it through ancestry of one of her

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Speaker 1: All eight were basically separated, true, Okay, did four stay

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Speaker 3: That's correct, And our victim was one of the ones

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Speaker 3: part of the kicker. When we researched Nicole Johnson, she

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Speaker 3: she continued rite on. She had a Georgia driver's license.

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Speaker 2: Didn't she even have public housing? Section eight?

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Speaker 3: We did. Let she she got Section eight housing, she

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Speaker 3: got food stamps, and she got all those things. But

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Speaker 3: Nicole Johnson was killed according to the medical Examiner, within

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Speaker 3: And the one thing I'll never understand was, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 3: What I'll never understand that. But we were able to

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Speaker 3: she assumed it. She bought vehicles in her name, she

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Speaker 3: access to the young ladies, all her biographical data. She

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Speaker 3: They were within a month for the same birth date,

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Speaker 3: and they looked that they favored each other. So our perpetrator,

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Speaker 3: she's in business and she continues to live in that identity,

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Speaker 3: receiving every month her SSI money, her food sample, her

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Speaker 3: gets all those things, you know, through fraud and forgery

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Speaker 3: to them as close as we can figure, somewhere close

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Speaker 3: so she just at that point she just went back

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Speaker 1: The names have been changed to protect the integrity of

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Speaker 1: the investigation. So I know Nicole Johnson went to an

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Speaker 1: So they last hear from her Thanksgiving of two thousand

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Speaker 1: about fourteen days before the burning bag is found.

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Speaker 3: That is correct. And immediately after that Ms Walker goes

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Speaker 3: Well as love would have it, there was some news

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Speaker 3: twelve years old to the time that she left New

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Speaker 3: York had actually come to Georgia seven times in five

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Speaker 3: year period looking for her and had hired She'd gone

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Speaker 1: Now, Clay, we don't really know what day the murder occurred, no,

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Speaker 1: of maybe when it happened in relation to the burning bag.

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Speaker 3: The medical examiner her body was found at roughly seven

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Speaker 3: there was absolutely no decay in the body of decomposition,

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Speaker 3: that she was probably here within twenty four hours of

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Speaker 3: on the fourth of the fifth of December. But we

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Speaker 3: had no idea where. We found that an apartment had

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Speaker 3: it was on Palametta Cascade Road in paler Metta, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you you know, riding over there with

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Speaker 2: You've got the benefits that continued.

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you something that, to me is one

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Speaker 3: You know, my daddy told me a long time ago, Cheryl,

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Speaker 2: And your daddy never lied to you.

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Speaker 3: He never did, He never did.

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Speaker 3: But we were just very lucky and like I had

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Speaker 2: Amen.

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Speaker 3: If this case does not come to fruition to a

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Speaker 1: The names have been changed to protect the integrity of

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Speaker 2: Is that okay with you? And he went, now, what

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Speaker 3: Will?

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Speaker 2: He calls me and I said, Chief, it's for Clay Brant.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, you know I'm gonna tell you something. You

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Speaker 2: Hey, why don't you tell everybody about my forensic sphere? Uh?

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, some type of simple thing. We

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Speaker 3: I thought, what in God's name she don't do with that?

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Speaker 3: You know, you know that's too simple. Ed just can't

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Speaker 1: Well that's true for now, but we need to do

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Speaker 2: But listen, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: So you know, people what's quick to use that word closure. Well,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sure, sure finally made its way to there. Okay,

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Speaker 3: anybody I can punish with y'all. Uh, But again, Cheryl,

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you how much I appreciate it, and

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Speaker 3: thank you for the help that you've been, not in

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Speaker 3: just in this case, but in every case.

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Speaker 1: Ma.

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Speaker 3: I do have a new book. Publication date was Monday,

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Speaker 3: and that does the solving the murder of Ying FOVERSI

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Speaker 3: Evil Dwells and West Georgia.

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Speaker 2: So I think we need to go to work, sir.

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Speaker 3: We're working on four and five right now.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to add the link.

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Speaker 1: And this is his third book, y'all, third and I

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Speaker 1: will see you Saturday at the book signing, and I

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Speaker 1: just appreciate you. And again, uh, we will get the

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Speaker 1: pictures up about those tattoos and the belt buckle, and

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Speaker 1: we'll see what we can do to help you out.

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Speaker 1: Let's see if we can find somebody that knows this man.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a long shot.

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Speaker 2: We gotta take Hey, it's a shot.

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Speaker 3: That's right. We've done more with less.

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Speaker 2: Amen.

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Speaker 3: Amen, Thank you so much. I clearly joel every time

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Speaker 3: we have one of these discussions.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I'll call you tomorrow because we're gonna we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get those pictures and we'll get that up.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and you have a pleasant evening,

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Speaker 3: and thank you for telling this story.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, y'all, I'm going to end Zone seven the way

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Speaker 1: that I always do with a quote. Crime is common,

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Speaker 1: logic is rare. Therefore, it's upon the logic rather than

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Speaker 1: the crime that you should dwell, Sir Arthur Condole.

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Speaker 2: I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is Zone seven.

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Speaker 3: Dad Day Ron