1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy d Wilson 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. This week we talked about Anna 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: Maria van Sherman, probably the most educated woman in Europe 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: of her time. A weird thing that kept throwing me 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: for a loop. Not really a weird thing, A random 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: thing that kept throwing me for a loop is the 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Utrecht University website. Yeah, is at you? You dot NL 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: so you dot the extension for the Netherlands. And I 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: kept seeing this in my research and my bookmarks and 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: all of that. Having a dear friend who is a 12 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: she is a reverend with the Unitarian Universalist Church, I 13 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: kept having a moment where I was like, Oh, how 14 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: are the Unitarians involved with this story? Because anytime like well, 15 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: like let's just say we're like planning to go to 16 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: a protest together, I'll say, hey, where are where are 17 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: you going to be? I will be out with the UUs, okay, 18 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: And so it's just in my head the US are 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: the Unitarians. And so I kept having a moment where 20 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: I would kind of double take every time the University 21 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: came up in the research. We talked at the beginning 22 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: of the episode about how I've had a whole lot 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: of episodes clustered in the nineteenth and twentieth century, which 24 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: means I was kind of out of practice with subjects 25 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: like the Eighty Years War and the Thirty Years War 26 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: and how they overlapped and were connected, but they're not 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: quite the same thing. I am pretty sure one of 28 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: my sources had a moment of deep confusion where they 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: called something the Seven Years War that was a totally 30 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: different It's not doneying. It's funny. It's almost like learning 31 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: a language, Like it's funny how quickly that's stuff can 32 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: leave you when you go to work on studying something 33 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: else for a while and I come back and I'm like, 34 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: I don't remember how any of this stuff worked. I 35 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: don't remember who was the monarch of what when and 36 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: what they did. Like I have to do cliffs notes 37 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: for everything to get up to speed. Yeah, I think 38 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: this the like the year so far, has been sort 39 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: of the longest stretch for me in so recent a 40 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: time period on the show, which was not really on 41 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: purpose exactly, but it did make this episode kind of challenging. 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: One of the things that we talked about was these 43 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: catalogs of learned women. Obviously they did not only exist 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: just in this one part of history. We did an 45 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: episode on Christine de Pisan and the Book of the 46 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: City of Ladies that had some similarities to this, like 47 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: that chronicled learned women through history and in mythology. There 48 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: were other chronicles, lists, catalogs of learned women, and we 49 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: talked about how this was sort of it sort of 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: served as an example like, hey, here are all of 51 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: these women that were all really learned women have the 52 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: ability to learn. Another thing that some of the people 53 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: who compiled these seemed to think that they would be 54 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: good for that also applied specifically to Anne Marie van Sherman. 55 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: There was this kind of idea of like, hey, what 56 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: if we made learning really trendy for women, that more 57 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: women would go out and learn, And there just wasn't 58 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: sometimes a connection to the fact that, like one of 59 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: the reasons that there were not a lot of educated 60 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: women is that women were barred from access to education. 61 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, you could make it seem really fun and 62 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: cool to be an educated woman, but that wasn't going 63 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: to do anything about the fact that most women had 64 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: no access to school of any sort. R, it's so 65 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: cool to be this thing you can never be, like yeah, 66 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: likeol set up and if you know, if your family 67 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: was in what we might think of as like the 68 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: middle class, you probably did not have a lot of 69 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: time to be teaching yourself to read at the start 70 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: of thing, right, So, like that was just I kept 71 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: kind of going, yeah, I mean, sure it would be 72 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: great if more women and the sixteenth seventeenth, eighteenth century 73 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: area era had been educated, but like it wasn't just 74 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: to pull yourself up by your bootstrap situation. Hey, everybody, 75 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: it never is. It never is. So it also feels 76 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: to me every instance of that and like all the 77 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: times that you included in this outline when dudes were like, 78 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: you should publish your work, it's so important. No I 79 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: don't want it, Well I'm gonna do it. It seemed so 80 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: much like sort of the performative lip service thing of 81 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: like I support women's education. Look at me, publishing this 82 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: thing against the women involves wishes, but still I'm really 83 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: I support women, you guys totally. I'm totally one of 84 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: the good ones. It's like uh yeah, yeah, yeah, there 85 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: are structural barriers at work here. It applies to so 86 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: many things in our world today, structural barriers going on 87 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: keeping people from being able to access whatever the thing is. Also, 88 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: it is tough to understand, like the sexual mores of 89 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: four hundred years ago, but her dad's fixation on her 90 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: virginity freaky feel feels weird to a modern freakyky. I 91 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,559 Speaker 1: that that gave me the ick, a little bit super ick, 92 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: because I mean, for many reasons there are takeaway any 93 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: of the like why are you so fixated on this part? 94 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: My thing is that if at that point he recognizes 95 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: that she should be educated, that she's clearly very smart 96 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: and deserves to learn things, to cut off a whole 97 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: part of the human condition from her information is kind 98 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: of kneecapping the way in which she can understand a 99 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: lot of the other things she's studying, right, And I 100 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: don't like it, Yeah, I mean, I feel like there's 101 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: a weird issue where what people see as immoral in 102 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: many cases is really just human. And I understand the 103 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: desire not to expose people to things before they are ready, 104 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: but at some point humans have to understand the breadth 105 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: of human experience. If they're truly going to be an intellectual, 106 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: is my opinion, right, right. I am so inherently rebellious 107 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: and was as a kid that if somebody told me 108 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 1: you cannot have access to this, I'd be like, fine, 109 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: expurgate away, I will find another copy, like I Yeah. 110 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: One of the things that I found interesting about her is, 111 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: like we talked about the description of her as like 112 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: the Sappho of Utrecht, or like the Dutch Sapho. Yeah, 113 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: and how at the time that was really that was 114 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: about her poetry, and the connotation of sapho and lesbianism 115 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: like wasn't quite as established as it is now, not 116 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: something that we talked about in that recent Saturday classic, 117 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: and I did not. Everything that I read about her 118 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: suggests that she was celibate for her whole life. She 119 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: never married, that this was deeply religiously and spiritually important 120 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: to her. Simultaneously, it was not typical for a Protestant 121 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: woman to lead a celibate life in this way, right, 122 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: Like the social expectation was for women to get married 123 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: and have children. It was more established among Catholic women 124 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: to have you know, convents and nunneries and all of that, 125 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: and like that just it wasn't quite as like that 126 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: that role didn't exist in quite the same way for 127 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: Protestant women at this point, even though like the entire 128 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: idea of non Catholic Christian religions was very early like 129 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: this is this is during the Reformation and counter Reformation. 130 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: So if you look at like queer history as a 131 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: big umbrella in which we can think of queerness as 132 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: like anyone who's sexual or gender identity isn't aligning with 133 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: or is like expanding beyond what is expected of them 134 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: in their society, Like, she does still kind of fit 135 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: in that, in with that because of this chastity that 136 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: she stuck with her whole life. So even though the 137 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: term sappho as a connection to like lesbianism doesn't quite 138 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: line up with what we know of her, the fact 139 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: that she was so focused on her own chastity kind 140 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: of still sets her apart from the the expectations of 141 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: women at the time and also super weird in position 142 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: by her father. Yeah, I don't know, So I don't 143 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: know if we have a sense of like her feelings 144 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: about a lot of stuff, right, Like, she wrote these, 145 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: she wrote treatises, she wrote letters, she wrote works that 146 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: still survived. She wrote things that other people published on 147 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: her behalf that are still around, but like, that doesn't 148 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: really give us a sense of like her inner self. Yeah, 149 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, I did find her father asking her 150 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: to promise that on his deathbed to be of yikes, 151 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: super weird. I also had the very, you know, personally 152 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: giggly aspect of when she got rid of all of 153 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: her poetry towards the end of her life and the 154 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: many theories about what that meant. There was part of 155 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: me that was like, what if this was just an 156 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: issue of practicality where one day she was like, there's 157 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: so many junkie notebooks around here. Yeah. I definitely destroyed 158 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: some stuff when I was moving the last time that 159 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: I moved. Yeah, that was about I really really wanted to. 160 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: We were in an apartment that had too much stuff 161 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: and it is bothering my consciousness, and I really wanted 162 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: us to get into a house and not feel like 163 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: we were drowning and stuffy. And so I went through 164 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of file folders and notebooks and file cabinet 165 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and I purged a bunch of stuff, 166 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: and some of it was I don't want to be 167 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: buried on under all of these papers anymore. And some 168 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: of it was also these these things I wrote when 169 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: I was twenty are embarrassing and no one ever needs 170 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: to see them ever again in kidding me, have ditched 171 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: a lot of things in that mindset. Yeah, there is 172 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: almost nothing that I regret having disposed of in that 173 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: kind of mindset. Yeah. No, And I like, there was 174 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: one thing and I don't even remember what it was now. 175 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: There was one thing that I briefly was like, ah, 176 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: I wish I had not gotten rid of that thing 177 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: so long ago, But now I don't even remember what 178 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: that was. So, yeah, we talked about William Sharky this week. 179 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: We did. We did murder, although it's not a no 180 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: murder is good obviously, but this isn't a particularly grisly one, right, 181 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: and becomes very mired in legalese. Yes. One of the 182 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: things that is very interesting about any of these types 183 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: of stories where it's like this person escaped is that 184 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: there very quickly becomes a lot of writing about how 185 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: they were never seen again, and I'm like, nope. There 186 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: were literally newspaper reports all the time of like, yeah, 187 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: he's still in Cuba. We know. Similarly, Maggie's story is 188 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: often written about as though she just vanishes into the ether, 189 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: and I'm like, nope. I found the report of her 190 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: husband's death and how she at leth that specifically mentions 191 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: his widow, Maggie Jordan, who helped William Sharky escape from prison, 192 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: Like it's not a secret where she right? Right? I 193 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: know it's more fun to have more mystery, but that 194 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: also isn't the truth all the time? Right? I love 195 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: what a ding dong Monty python move this was? Yeah, yeah, 196 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: I really did. When I read through this earlier this morning, 197 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: I got to the Parliament about them finding remnants of 198 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: his mustache, and there was a chortal, like an out 199 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: loud chortle at my desk, not expecting that to be 200 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: it's pretty good. It reminded me of William Maxwell, the 201 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: fifth Earl of Nidsdale, who similarly, but in seventeen fifteen, 202 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: was disguised as a woman to escape prison by his wife. 203 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: He was in the Tower of London, though, and I wanted, 204 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: I want to travel back in time and go, Maggie, 205 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: did you read history books? Is that what we gave you? 206 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: This idea? Because it's a real similar escape. Yeah, William 207 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: sharky sounds like not a cool dude, no to hang 208 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: out with. He clearly had a horrible temper, maybe a 209 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder, not a not a good dude, 210 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: and you know, using a gun to gesticulate with. Yeah, 211 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: and then mistreated the person who helped him escape from prison. 212 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: Not a good dude. Incidentally, though, we mentioned in the 213 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: episode that Maggie's story again gets written in a very 214 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: tropy way of like she was a good girl from 215 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: a good family, but then she just turned to a 216 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: life of crime. But she there's a little more nuanced 217 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: there to that, because she was not the only person 218 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: in her family who had criminal dealings. I found a 219 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: newspaper account of her brother getting arrested for theft. You know, 220 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: it's not as sort of black and white and storybook 221 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: as he would right normally right here in discussions of her. 222 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: But I love a good story of a person in 223 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: drag that whole I got so mired in all of 224 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: the coverage of the court case because the whole situation 225 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: with the judge basically going no, no, it was fine no, 226 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: and then a higher court going, ooh, wait a minute, 227 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: you actually do have some points in this filing. He 228 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: did do some stuff wrong. I mean, we know, no 229 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: human is you know, beyond fallibility. But it also points 230 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: out that the way then, and I would say is 231 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: probably going on in instances now that like one official 232 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: in the justice system can completely shift the outcome of 233 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: a trial or of a legal situation. Sure, like, as 234 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: I said, Sharkey not a good dude, but it does 235 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: actually kind of sound based on all the witnesses, like 236 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: he didn't actually mean to shoot, done right, but yet 237 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: he was convicted of first degree murder, which yeah includes intent, 238 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: largely because the judge really really whiffed it on his 239 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: jury instructions. Yeah, yeah, really deeply irresponsible to just be 240 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: kind of pounding on something while holding a gun. Yeah, 241 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: don't do that. Definitely reasons don't do that. Yeah, I 242 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: just you know, any combination of bad temper, alcohol, firearm 243 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: recipe for disaster. It was then, it is now. I 244 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: hope nobody in our audience gesticulates with a gun when 245 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: they are angry forever, because that's not a way to 246 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: have a discussion. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of all I 247 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: have on William J. Sharky. Just don't live his life, 248 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: don't know him don't do that. Don't do that. Yeah. Yeah. 249 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: If you have some time off this weekend, which I 250 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: hope you do, I hope you eat the most delicious 251 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: thing you've ever tasted in your life. We need more 252 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: fun and delicious things. I hope you have like the 253 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: best sleep you've ever had in your life. I just 254 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: hope everybody has a best of moment this weekend, because 255 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: we need it. Frankly, if you don't have time off 256 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: and you actually have to do responsible things, I'm sorry, 257 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: I feel you, But I hope you still find maybe 258 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: the most delicious thing you've ever had in your life, 259 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: or maybe just a return to an old favorite that 260 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: gives you comfort. There are so many wonderful things in 261 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: this world, and I hope everybody reaches out and enjoys 262 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: them all as much as they are capable of. We 263 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: will be right back here tomorrow with a classic episode, 264 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: and then on Monday we'll have something brand new. 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