1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another episode 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Halls. The thoughts and 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A out employees of 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. You are listening to 10 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi Hollis on the I 11 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast net work. 12 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. Remember each week this is the 13 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: place you go to when you want to find answers 14 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: about anything and everything out of the ordinary, from ghosts 15 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: to aliens, shadow people to hat man. I want you 16 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: to feel comfortable to know you can submit your stories 17 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: through my main website, which is shadow Folks dot com 18 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: or Heidi Hollis dot com. Tell me as much detail 19 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: as you like, because the more, the better that we 20 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: can all understand what's exactly going on. And you know, 21 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: if I can. I'll give you the best amount of 22 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: insight that I can come up with to help explain 23 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: what might be going on. But again, we're all learning here, 24 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: we're all growing and trying to figure this very strange 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: and very real world out when it comes to anything 26 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: out of the ordinary. So again, I am really happy 27 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: to hear that you guys are really participating in this 28 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: program by contributing your story. So I thank you, and 29 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: I know I get a lot of emails from people 30 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: thanking the folks that are sending these stories in as well. 31 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: And again I always welcome people who have experienced anything 32 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: out of the ordinary to also be a guest on 33 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: this show. But for the most part, a lot of 34 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: people like to send in their emails, and hey, it's 35 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: all good. I love reading through these and jumping on 36 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: into it. And you know, I'm gonna jump on over 37 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: right now to the first email that I have here today. 38 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: But one thing you guys got to realize when you 39 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: send these emails, it really is something that I like 40 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: to just take raw like everybody else, like is the 41 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: first time I'm looking at it most of the time, 42 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: so I don't sit there and try to edit what 43 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: it is that people are writing prior to reading it 44 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 1: live here on the show. So it's just as intriguing 45 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: and puzzling to me at times when I'm going through 46 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: these But it's all good. It's all good, and you know, 47 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: I also want to tell you, guys, my guest in 48 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: the next segment is Jeanette Lucas. She is a real 49 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: life psychic treasure hunter. You are in for quite the treat. 50 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: But going into my first email here, this says, Dear Heidi, 51 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: my name is Sebastian. I usually listen to this other program, 52 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: and uh, it was kind of aggravating when I hear 53 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: a show that I love to call into. So I 54 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: was thrilled when you were a guest and you gave 55 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: out your website and told people to email their stories 56 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: to you. I've had tons of creepy experiences that I 57 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: would love to share with you. And I'm forty years 58 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: old now, and when I was in my early twenties, 59 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: I was addicted to pain pills really bad. I just 60 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: got home at my parents home and I was standing 61 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: outside smoking a cigarette. I had my focus on this 62 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: area in the backyard that had a history of demonic activity. 63 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: That's interesting history, but until then it had only messed 64 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: with my dad and brother. My belief in God was 65 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 1: mediocre at best, and I grew up Catholic. I would 66 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: flip flop back and forth, and I would deny that 67 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: I believe in God so people wouldn't think I was weird. 68 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: So I'm standing outside looking at that air in the backyard, 69 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 1: and the stories that were told to me of things 70 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: that happened to him back there would creep me out, 71 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: and they still do. But my attention was focused in 72 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: that area. I turned my head to the right and 73 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: out of the corner of my eye, I saw a 74 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: black shadow figure. Took a double take, and nothing was there. Instantly, 75 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: I start telling myself, it's my mind messing with me, 76 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: and it was just spooking myself out. So now I'm 77 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: facing the road and telling myself I didn't see anything 78 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: much so much that I hear this type of thing. 79 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: When I felt two taps on my right shoulder, m 80 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: I know nothing is there, but I look anyway, and 81 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,239 Speaker 1: as my head is turned to the right, I hear 82 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: a word saying hey in my left ear. It was 83 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: drawn out in an almost whispering type of voice. I 84 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: then proceeded to toss my cigarette and walked inside. Oh, 85 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: I would have run now. I took a lot of 86 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: pain pills for years, and I never had I ever 87 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: felt something that wasn't there touch me and whisper in 88 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: my ear. A few nights later, I was sleeping on 89 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: the couch and I had the worst dream of my life. 90 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: In that dream, I was standing in the living room 91 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: and there is what I would guess, a demon standing 92 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: a few feet from me. I knew if I opened 93 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: my mouth it was going to jump in me. Huh. 94 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: I was terrified, and finally I started to say the 95 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: Our Father. In my dream, that thing jumped in me 96 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: and started knocking me on my back. As I continued 97 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: saying the Our Father, the prayer, you guys, it was 98 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: coming out in a demonic voice, however, and then I 99 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: woke up in the living room. It was the darkest 100 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: I've ever felt, and I was paralyzed, curled up in 101 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: the fetal position, saying the Our Father prayer and Hale 102 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: Mary over and over, but none of that was easing me. 103 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: After a few minutes, I called for my mom. It 104 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: was so dark that I felt like Dracula had its 105 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: cape around me. I called out again, I didn't realize 106 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: it then, but my dad was wide awake. He was 107 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: always sensing when things were off. He asked if I 108 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: was hey and I told him no. He walked out 109 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: and asked what was wrong, and I asked him to 110 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: please turn on the lights. When he did, it felt 111 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: like I was dumped into a warm bath and tears 112 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: flowed out of my eyes like a faucet had turned on. 113 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: After that, I never questioned my belief in God, and 114 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: I've never been scared to tell anyone. Wow. I always 115 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: say that the devil brought me to Jesus. That was 116 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: one instance that's happened over the years. The whole area 117 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: was just weird, and I lived in a trailer house 118 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: five houses down from my parents. Were a lot of 119 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: creepy things happened, But that would be for another time 120 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: for you to hear if you're interested in Thanks for 121 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: letting people know that we can email our stories. And 122 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: I really did love hearing you on that other program. 123 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: Thank you, Sebastian. Wow, you know who are you? Guys? 124 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: This is interesting to me when I read this story, 125 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: and I often tell people that they sit on this 126 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: fence of if they have a belief in God or 127 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: anything like that, and it's always like this this almost 128 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: shame like talk that happens with it, and I just 129 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: don't understand. It's like people are so eager to say, yeah, yeah, 130 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: you know, I love going out and doing some ghost hunting, 131 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: or I love those spooky movies and spooky television series, 132 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: but oh, Church, God, Jesus Angels, Like, oh, that's too fluffy, 133 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: that's too weird. Isn't that funny. It's like, not too 134 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: long ago, people were really weird about talking about such 135 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: things as a paranormal, but now it has flipped and 136 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: people are nearly ashamed to admit that they have any 137 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: kind of belief or faith. And and you know, I 138 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: try not to sound like a Bible thumper because that's 139 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: not the position that I try to hold in in 140 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: any regard to to be honest, but having this light, 141 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: this other thing, this other light source in people's lives 142 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: is it's important when you're facing something so dark and 143 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: evil and paranormal, because there's a lot of it. And 144 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: that's the very same thing. It's true when it comes 145 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: to alien phenomenon. You know, there's so many people are 146 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: like it's all good and positive out there, but no, no, no, 147 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: it's not. But I also don't fall for the scenario 148 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: that everything is a threat in the skies, as purported 149 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: by those in the government, saying if it's in our 150 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: earth space, it's a threat. Well, they have had a 151 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: lot of contact going on with various beings, and rumor 152 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: has it of what they're talking about with these different beings. 153 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: So are they all evil or are they just the 154 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: ones that aren't working with them they're considering evil because 155 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: they won't participate in the exchange system that they have 156 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: set up with the other beings. I don't know what 157 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: is it, you know, So I find it really it's 158 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: really telling to me to have this person that's being 159 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: really honest. And I've brought it up here on this 160 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: show many times that when people write me and say, 161 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, I saw the devil, but I would get 162 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: into that religion thing, but help me figure out what 163 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: to do because there's something really evil in my home. 164 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like, hold it, you don't get into that 165 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: religion thing, which they think falls in the same category 166 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: as faith. But faith is totally different. Right to believe 167 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: in something more powerful, positive than yourself, right, and if 168 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: you're acknowledging this evil to be so powerful in your world, 169 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: it's okay to say that, yeah, there's something else that 170 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: has my back in this world as well too. So 171 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: we have to do this. We have to get over 172 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: this hump, this shame. And and if anything should help 173 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: a person who's questioning positivity or God or faithful things. Uh, 174 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: if you can sit there and look into the eyes 175 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: of something so evil and acknowledge it, just just take 176 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: that moment technology the other half that is going to 177 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: have your back and standing up against this evil thing 178 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: that's standing in front of you. So Sebastian, I totally 179 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: feel you, and you really help prove that point and 180 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: what it is I speak of quite often. Um, you 181 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: know that it's okay, and and I all love that 182 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: you're not ashamed to talk about it anymore. So there 183 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: you have it. Everyone, someone who came to that very 184 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: same conclusion all on their own. And I believe we 185 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: all can do that if we can dig into these 186 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: odd and dark things, let's dig a little bit more 187 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: into the light of things. And and also the power 188 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: of the human potential. That's so important. It is so 189 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: very important. And I just don't understand how people doubt 190 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: themselves or doubt what they're experiencing, doubt what they're seeing. 191 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: We are magical, we really are, and we are very 192 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: very spiritual beings existing in a flesh body for a reason. 193 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: We have amnesia for a reason. It's time to be 194 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: our true selves and figure it out and solve this 195 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: puzzle and get back to who we are. So Sebastian, 196 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: I really want to thank you so much for taking 197 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: the time to write me, and all of you that 198 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: are listening. Remember go to shadow Folks dot com. Same 199 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: website as Heidi Hollis dot com. Just some people can't 200 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: spell my name right, So come with there and write 201 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: as many details as you'd like about whatever it is 202 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: that you're experiencing, or if you'd like to be a guest, 203 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: just indicate that in your email. And again, if you're 204 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: a researcher or author, always put that there as well, 205 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: because that is always welcomed as well, if you'd like 206 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: to be a guest in this program. So you guys, 207 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: we have a really fabulous guest. We have Jeanete Lucasaid 208 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: will be joining us here shortly. 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You are listening to Dark Becomes 256 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: Life with Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 257 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal pie cast network. 258 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: As promised, I have a fabulous guest joining us. I 259 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: have Janette Matasia Lucas, who uses her psychic and dousing 260 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: skills to work on such things as true crime, treasure hunting, 261 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: and locating missing objects and animals. She has also been 262 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: asked to help a lot in ghost hunting, investigations, assessment, 263 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: various radio and television interviews, and she is now in 264 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: the middle of writing her first book. So I'd like 265 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: to give a warm welcome everybody to Jeanette Matasia Lucas. 266 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: How are you doing today, Jeanette, I'm good, good morning, awesome. 267 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: You know. Uh, It's it's so cool when I get 268 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: people like you coming on the program because you are 269 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: a good friend and I was fortunate to connect with 270 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: you on another show that I was hosting. So uh yeah, 271 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: so I know your story inside and out, but of 272 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: course the listeners do need to be informed a bit 273 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: about your background. So tell us how you got into 274 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: what it is that you do. Sure, sure, So when 275 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: I was seven, my father was working for the federal 276 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 1: government and for the military using his dowsing techniques, and 277 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: dowsing is um it's the way to find water with 278 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,719 Speaker 1: a fork a stick. They called him water witchers um. 279 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: But you can take it to the next level, which 280 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: you use a pendulum on a string. Sounds goofy, but 281 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: it really works and it just helps you pinpoint. So 282 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: it's a form of focusing. And in my opinion, um 283 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: dowsing works by just a vibration in your body and 284 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: the pendulum moves according to the vibration. You have to 285 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: watch the pendulum in the direction it goes, which I 286 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: was certainly fascinated at seven about the direction it went in. 287 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: And my father used it to locate booby traps bombs 288 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: for the military in during the Vietnam Or era, but 289 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: he also found down to airplanes. He also found water 290 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: wells um. He did a plethora of anything. I don't 291 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: want to say. It was all paranormal because you can 292 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: find oil, you can find water, you can find treasure, 293 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: missing person's pets, and the list goes on. So yeah, 294 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: I loved it. I I at seven seven the clock, 295 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: the switch turned on, the clock turned on, going go 296 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: do you remember your first find? I mean what you're 297 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: looking for? Well, I was when I was seven. My 298 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: father was in the backyard with the Joint Chiefs of Staff. 299 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: And when he was in the backyard with the Joint 300 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: Chiefs of Staff, he was teaching a bunch of marines 301 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: how to use the forkad stick to locate underground water. 302 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: But when you're locating underground water, it's very similar similar 303 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: to locating underground tunnels. So he was trying to get 304 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: them to focus on the sensation from the forkad stick. 305 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: Now there's the forkad stick, which could be from a tree. 306 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: There is the l rod which my father copy wrote, 307 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: and the l rod um can be made out of aluminum. 308 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: It can be made out of any kind of particular metal. 309 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: I prefer metals. Some people have plastic. You can use 310 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: plastic and put it in a v um or. You 311 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: can have a stick come out that's big and plastic. 312 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: And it's the word response or a vibe that comes 313 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: out that you have to pay attention to. If the vibe, 314 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: the vibe goes in one direction, it means no. It 315 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 1: goes into another direction, it means yes. If it reacts funny, 316 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: pay attention to the little the funnies, and you'll say, oh, 317 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: it's not here right now, I have to re ask 318 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 1: the question. So that was the general process um with 319 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: the Marines, and they weren't getting it. So my dad 320 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: called my brother out to help the Marines use that method, 321 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: and they followed a little bit. But then I was 322 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: really determined to go out there and help. And I said, well, 323 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: why are you just going for underground water when you 324 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: can go into tracking. Remember those Cowboys on Indians shows 325 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: where the American and Indians were tracking people, or the 326 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid and they were tracked, 327 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, being tracked, And I thought, well, that's really 328 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: that's really stupid. You're just limiting the the whole idea. 329 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: So I said, let's let's do this. We're gonna we're 330 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: gonna follow where the water is going to to the 331 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: larger capacity of water and underground flow and where it 332 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: pops out from an underground flow. So I used the 333 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: divining rods, which I used both the stick and the 334 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: ford Good stick, and I walked over and I tracked it, 335 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: and I said, okay, now see how it dips here 336 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: and then it goes out, and then it dips and 337 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: it goes up. So I watched the reactions and I said, okay, 338 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: so this is where the underground water is, but let's 339 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: watch and see where it's going to come out. And 340 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: so instead of digging so that it can come out, 341 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 1: what you do is you you track, track, track, and 342 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, um, you go to an 343 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: area where the divining rod pops in a certain direction 344 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: and there's the water. So that was my first six Avarians, 345 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: and that was in the sixties. So I'm not a 346 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: string chicken, but I have a lot of experience. It's 347 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: interesting to me saying so the Joint chiefs chiefs of 348 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: staff were in the backyard. I mean, it's amazing to 349 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: me that our government took something like that so serious, 350 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: so far back then. And it just goes to show 351 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: how much more incredible the human anatomy, the human body is, 352 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: and we're energy and our government knows this, and people 353 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: in power know this, but they have us feel like, 354 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 1: you know, we should question who we are and question 355 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: our eyeballs when we see a UFO on the sky 356 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: or something like that. But we're going to use a 357 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: stick and we're gonna teach our guys on the field 358 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: that are in the military to try to be safer 359 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: out in the field, to be able to trust that 360 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: inner energy. So they're very well aware. So I find 361 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: that fascinating that you know so far back then. So yes, 362 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: and I want to interject, there was a general all 363 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: by the name of General stumble Bind and a General McMasters, 364 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: and both of them, in my opinion, were ahead of 365 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 1: their time. They were big time into the super armies, 366 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: the super soldier and the vibe and all these high 367 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: tech details like aliens would have, you know, skills, talent, 368 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, and they wanted to 369 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: explore the opportunities of all the different different skills that 370 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: you could obtain either by training or you have it, 371 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: and then you have to focus. And so people need 372 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: to go look up Wikipedia about the General stumble Bind 373 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: because he was incredible. I believe he was there. I know, 374 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: um General McMasters was there. They're they're both deceased. There 375 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: is another General McMasters out there, but that's not the guy. 376 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: So you have to say in nineteen sixty, nineteen sixties 377 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: General McMasters and then they had their You grew up 378 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: around this, and I think you're skills and you ended 379 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: up working for the same people your father did. A 380 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: little I did a little bit. Um my skills sort 381 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: of popped in just accidentally. My dad would go out 382 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: and try to find a water well, so I would 383 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: work with one of his clients here and there, and 384 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: then um, I would go with him to different military 385 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: locations and sit in the car while he went inside 386 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: and did map work. And then he would come out 387 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: and introduce me to some heavy hitters, you know, and 388 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: I sat in the car, thinking what am I doing here? 389 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: And then they would ask me a couple of silly questions, 390 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 1: which I thought was silly, um as a thirteen fourteen 391 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: year old, and um, but I looked back thinking, wait 392 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: a minute, I just gave psychic input and didn't even 393 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: realize it. So for me, I guess I was sort 394 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: of a natural, you know, like a good baseball player. 395 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: Some people are just a natural. And um, so down 396 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: the road I got to meet other people that were 397 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: involved with the government UM from Senator pels Off as 398 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: Dr Scott Jones. UM. But Scott tried to introduce me 399 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: to another group, the Starget group, and they turned me 400 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: away saying women didn't have the skill. But we all 401 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: know that's not correct because women were on the team 402 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: and UM. So although I interviewed UM, I now work 403 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: as a team member with Angela Ford, who was on 404 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: the Stargate program UM as the psychic slash Intuitive call. 405 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: What was the Stargate program about? Can you tell us 406 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: briefly about that? I I don't know much about it 407 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: except for the fact that it was sort of a 408 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: I don't know extensive details, but it was a form 409 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: of trying to communicate with aliens. It was a it 410 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: did a bunch of different um uh m. It was 411 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: remote viewing. So let's say you're target a lot of targets. 412 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: So let's say your target today was find out if 413 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna kill President Bush and if so, where are they? So, 414 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: because you knew Bush was going to go from Let's 415 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: say Bush was in America and he's gonna go to Italy, 416 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: and um, is anybody going to try to kill him? 417 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: While he's in Italy and they go so that so 418 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: the intuitives would say yes, and the the assassination people 419 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: are right here. So then what happens is we would 420 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: send a c I a team out and go check 421 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: the location, the actual street location and everything, all the details. 422 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: So let's say it's one one one tobacco road and 423 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: they'd go there and then they would stop the assassins 424 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: and this this kind of thing really happened. So Stargate, 425 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: I believe, was a little bit of everything paranormal and 426 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people are not aware of all the 427 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: historical factors. I mean, I know that some of the 428 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: presidents we're going to be assassinated, and a lot of 429 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: it was stopped because of the remote viewers. So so, um, 430 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: you know, I do also work with remote viewing. I 431 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: don't tell people that it's just the ability I have. Well, 432 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: just just to clarify it now, you said that they 433 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: also try to reach out to speak with aliens, right 434 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: success there that you're aware of. Yeah. Yeah. A friend 435 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: of mine is a physicist and he got to meet 436 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: some of the the aliens their ships, et cetera. Um 437 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: Angelas said she got to meet them. Um, you know, 438 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: the thing was, she said they were very nice. Um, 439 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: they were communica with this in the remote viewing world. 440 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: So they and they communicated with the powers that be 441 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: the government about what well they were actually the aliens 442 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: were actually here on Earth, so so I mean they 443 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: didn't the remote viewers would actually communicate with the aliens 444 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: up in the space, but then when they were also here, 445 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: they would try to communicate with them using any kind 446 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: of telepathic method they could. Um. So it's it's pretty complicated. 447 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: But um, if their target was to say, show us 448 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: how to build uh to build a spaceship, um, because 449 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: they their spaceship was here, but we had to learn 450 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: how to use it. So it's almost like saying, oh, 451 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: here's the b W and here's a Mercedes. Uh. You know, 452 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: you have to learn the two different types of techie equipment. 453 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Lot of Yeah, a lot of people just 454 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: had no clue that it was a lot more than 455 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: they think. We would have lost a lot of presidents. 456 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 1: I think if Stargate hadn't been there. That's amazing. Well, 457 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit more about this 458 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: alien factor after our break, because that is so absolutely fascinating. 459 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: So wow, you guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes 460 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: like with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 461 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 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Join thousands 479 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: of satisfied customer using Luminas were more at Healthy Looking 480 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: dot Com. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes 481 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 482 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast a m Paranormals podcast network. And 483 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: just before the break, my guest here Jeanette Lucas. She 484 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: was speaking in regards to some of her experience with 485 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: her father working for the government and finding wells through 486 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: dousing and whatnot. And uh, I find it fascinating even 487 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: more so the Stargate program that she was almost put in. 488 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: And she works closely with some of the folks who 489 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: were involved in that group remote viewing different instances. But 490 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: you mentioned Angela Ford and some others that were give 491 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: targets to speak to alien beings and and this information 492 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: being transmitted back to the government. Do you know some 493 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: of the communications, what was being said, what was going on? 494 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: So these aliens were residing on the planet, do we 495 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: know where? Uh? Yeah, to my knowledge, they were here. 496 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: They're still here. They're residing. Um to my knowledge, are 497 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: people that worked on the Stargate program are pretty much heroes. 498 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: People don't know that. They think, oh, it's who are 499 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: the devil? But they were quite knowledgeable once they started 500 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: having a lot of experiences. And I'm no different. I 501 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: have a ton of experience and people say, oh, no, 502 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: she doesn't. Yes I do. And but they have demanding 503 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: experience of give us information and give it to us 504 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: quickly and and we're gonna apply it now. So I 505 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: mean I have the same similar But can you imagine 506 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: standing there and you have to communicate with an alien 507 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: who is on Earth? And how does the shipwork? And 508 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: this is red light, green light, blue light, et cetera. 509 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: I can't imagine the pressure and um, and then at 510 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: the same time, oh, here's the program tomorrow. We have 511 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: to save our president's life. I mean, I'm sure it 512 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,479 Speaker 1: was very demanding. And yes, the UFO stuff didn't exist 513 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: in time, it will come out. Um. No producer has 514 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: actually produced a storyline on the Stargate program and all 515 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: its people that are historically making enough an effort out 516 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: for America. What they did do was, uh, produce a 517 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: storyline on Project Blue Book, which I thought was great. 518 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: I saw it, you know, I saw it because they 519 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: were talking about a man that was similar to your 520 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: father with your last name. Yes, yes, So that was 521 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: a shocker. And so we both have this line of 522 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: family hereditary of oh my dad was here, my dad 523 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: was here and surprise. Yeahs. So well, I'm curious also, 524 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, getting more into what it is that you've experienced, 525 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: some of the things that you've uncovered. Your work is amazing. 526 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I love the fact that you still remain 527 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: as far as you know, being the first psychic dowser 528 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: forensic douser written up in the Smithsonian magazine. Can you 529 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about that? Sure? Um. So, basically, 530 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: I get a call from magazines and they want to 531 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: know my background or what do I do, And it's 532 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: it's just like a resume if they call you and 533 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: say they want to talk about water, or they want 534 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: to talk about how you find things or how you 535 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: do true crime. So they called about water and they 536 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: called about which I told him was boring. Yes, we 537 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: can find it. And I said, you want to talk 538 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: about true crime and he said sure. And I said, 539 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: but true crime can also bleed into finding missing objects, 540 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: and he goes, well it as a matter of fact. Um. 541 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: The writer was Jack Hope, and he said I've got 542 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: a missing object and I said, okay, great, so let's 543 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: go after that and I'll show you how it works. 544 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: And I used what I call and I teach students 545 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: this the who, where, when, how, what, etcetera. It's a protocol, 546 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: and um, I said, when I used that protocol, I 547 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: can find out where and what I'm looking for. It's 548 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: a little more in depth than that, because I do 549 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: have students and I don't want to give it all 550 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: the way here. But on Jack uh, Jack's situation and 551 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 1: his missing object. The first thing that came to me 552 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: while using dowsing, because I incorporate dreamwork and dowsing and 553 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: my psychic ability and remote viewing. And what I did was, 554 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: I said, Jack, this is really weird. I don't think 555 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: it's I don't think you're whatever you're looking for, which 556 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: was paperwork, and you know we're all buried in paperwork. 557 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: And I said, I have a feeling you need to 558 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: go to the trunk of your car, and I see 559 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: the color yellow, and I want you to dig in 560 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 1: the trunk of the car ntil you see the color yellow, 561 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: and then either before the yellow, next to the yellow, 562 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: around the yellow, and and pay attention to the word around, 563 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: so you can call it radius. That kind of thing. 564 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: But I always try to find whatever the treasure or 565 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: item or a person is what they're next to. And 566 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: because that is an easier protocol, and so I said, 567 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: go to the yellow item. Keep digging, keep digging. So 568 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: he said, that's really crazy, Jeanette. It's not in the 569 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: trunk of my car. He went to the trunk of 570 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: the car and excuse me, he you know, he had 571 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: a big trunk, not an itty bitty Volfswagen trunk. And 572 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: he started pulling things apart, and he and I was 573 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: on the phone with him, and he said, I can't 574 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 1: believe this. And he sort of screened, you know, and 575 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: he said, I can't believe it. I said, what what 576 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: is it? And because I told him it wasn't what 577 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: we're rowing for, is not what what his target was. 578 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: And he said, Jeanette, um, I have been looking for 579 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: a piece of paper with legal documents that I needed 580 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: for a court case next week. If I hadn't found it, 581 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: I would lose the court case. You know that goes 582 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: you don't have your documents, You're you're screwed, basically. So 583 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: he said, that saved my tush. Now where do I go? 584 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: I said, okay, so that's item one. And then I 585 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: said now what we have to do is figure out, 586 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: so we use the dowsing to pinpoint. So I said, 587 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: let's go with you have so one through five. You 588 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: have a building, you live in, an office you go 589 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: to work in. Um, you have a cabin in the 590 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: woods with your family. So I have to figure out 591 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: which building to go to. So first I said, All 592 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: of them said no except for the building that you 593 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: live and so I said, I want you to walk 594 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: your body up to your home. This is a general process. 595 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: So he went to his home in a condo and 596 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: like the fifth floor or something. I said, okay, so 597 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: it sounds funny. Wherever you are, turn and face the 598 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: window and go into a room that feels like an office. 599 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: And it's really weird because I literally see, um a 600 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: room with a metal desk that feels like former U S. 601 00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: Army surplus desk. Oh yeah, And he goes, you serious? 602 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: I said, yeah. He goes, have you ever been to 603 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: my house? I said no, why would I come to 604 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: your house? Right? And it was really hilarious because he goes, 605 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: because I have an army surplus desk in my office. Yeah, 606 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: And I said, I want you to go to the 607 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: window because you find the things around in the radius 608 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: of of of the item that's missing. And he goes, okay, yes, 609 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: the window is right there, overlooking the desk, and I said, okay, 610 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: go to where there are two drawers only. I want 611 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: you to go to the second drawer and pull it out. 612 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 1: And he goes, there are only two drawers. I said, okay, great, 613 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,399 Speaker 1: And so I guess his body went on the left 614 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: side and the drawers were on the right, and I said, 615 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: go down to the second drawer pull it out. Because 616 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: I've been in here a hundred times, because people get 617 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: feisty and rude. And I said, I want you to 618 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: look for the color file folder because I said, see Santa, 619 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: And he goes, no, I don't have anything in around Santa. 620 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: I said, just follow the radius. So sometimes you've got 621 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: to be really specific and telling them where to go, 622 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: what to do, and to accept what it is that 623 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: you're saying. I've I've heard that from a lot of psychics, 624 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: and because I resistive to believe that you're actually going 625 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: to deliver right, oh yeah, And and sometimes I even 626 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: go so far as it's the color of the Coca 627 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: Cola rapper, you know it's red, right, yeah, like right now, 628 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: very short. He was impressed. Yeah, well, long story short. 629 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: He went to the red file folder. I said, pull 630 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,919 Speaker 1: it up, go to file folders in front or two 631 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: file folders in back radius, and you're gonna find what 632 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: you're looking for. Of course, he pulled it up, screamed, 633 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I can't believe it. It's been 634 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 1: for two years. So there we go. Wow, that's amazing. 635 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: He brought up a very positive report about you in 636 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: the Smithsonian magazine, first ever, uh and probably still standing 637 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: as the only ever to absolutely somebody right into that. So, no, 638 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 1: tell us a bit about this really great adventure that 639 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: you had in finding al Capone's hidden treasure. That one 640 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: is always a kicker to me because it's just unheard 641 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: of it is. So I'm gonna make it a shorter story. 642 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: So basically, I flew to drove to Chicago to go 643 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: to a paranormal conference. Those things are great, they're blast, 644 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: but you got your frauds. You've got to real people, 645 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: of course, and you have you have your weirdos like me, 646 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: who's a tread treasure hunter. Um. So, because I'm not 647 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: on the outlying factor, I'm an outlying person, um so 648 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: for example, you could be covering stuff like the hat 649 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: man that's outlying. That's not the norm. So I go 650 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: to the conference. I get to me M a very 651 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: famous psychic and Ingo Swan and we stopped chatting. He 652 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: walks away, but he gets stopped by another couple and 653 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: he said to me, oh, you're gonna become famous. You're 654 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: gonna become somebody kept bugging me who argue? And I 655 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: said Jeannette. And I was like, what does that mean? 656 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: You know? And he goes, no, who are you? I said, 657 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: um so anyway, so he goes, okay, boy, I gotta go, 658 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: and he started talking to a couple about it was. 659 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: It was over a hundred feet Later that afternoon, they 660 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: approached me and they said, hi, your Jeanette and I 661 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: said yes, and he goes, well, we were told a 662 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 1: lot about you. I was thinking, who who did that? 663 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: And I know inco stopped and chatted with them. So 664 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: I just started putting two and two together and he goes, well, 665 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: we have treasure, and he said you're gonna find our 666 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: treasure and I said okay, great. So we went to 667 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: a room and yes, folks, I did get paid for it. 668 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: And I also get a commission. Now, the chances of 669 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: you getting paid your commission are very very small. So 670 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: we went to the room. He pulled out thirty maps. 671 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: And I always tell people, get me the maps. No maps. 672 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to work with you. You have to 673 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: do the hard copy. So I pulled out thirty maps 674 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: and I said, what stories do you have? So he 675 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: told me about five or ten stories. I think it 676 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: was like ten stories. I said, the al capone one. 677 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: Go with that, because I know for a fact that 678 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: I'll hit treasure. That's just a known fact. I said, 679 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: so let's go with that. And then I touched a 680 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: particular map and um, my finger felt like I was 681 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: burnt by a cigarette. You know how how the burning? 682 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: I mean, it literally felt like somebody put it was 683 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: burning my finger. And it happened each and every time 684 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: I touched the map, because you go from the big 685 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: map to the area to the ten by ten and 686 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: then I have to pinpoint where to park. We've got 687 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: forty seconds to wrap up this story, so right, so 688 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: after all of that, they found treasure. Uh, they dug 689 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: two ft, found the hood of a car. They dug 690 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: two more feet and they found sixty bars of Silver 691 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: Yea from al Capone and Frank Nitty. That's amazing. And 692 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: I know that they were questioning when you're they were 693 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: digging and they're like, well we hit a roof of 694 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: a car or a hood or something, and you're like, hello, 695 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: go a little further. That sign right there. 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Be a hero. 716 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: Donate today, visit Red Cross dot org or call Red 717 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: Cross Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light 718 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and 719 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. I have my 720 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,040 Speaker 1: guests and that Lucas, and we were speaking on a 721 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: many things of her various talents here. Honestly the only 722 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 1: psychic I know that is just absolutely known for treasure hunting. 723 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: But you also got this special talent of finding missing persons, 724 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: and uh, you found some pretty fascinating folks over the 725 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 1: years and items and and whatnot. But can you tell 726 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: us a bit about some of these missing people that 727 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 1: have gone on record across the nation? Sure? Well, I've 728 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: seen I've been seeing on Nancy Grace CNN about the 729 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: Kaylie Anthony case location. Basically, I received a phone call 730 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: to help find a missing child and not I was 731 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: really wrapped up in my kids at the time, so 732 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 1: I had no idea what a big case it was 733 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: and apparently was going international. And I kept telling the 734 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: people that called me, um, she's right over here. And 735 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: that was in June, and nobody wanted to hear, which 736 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: is a standard response from people who are traumatized or 737 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: people that are involved in searching and rescue. They just 738 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: don't want to hear. They want to they want to 739 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 1: go where they want to go. So it was sort 740 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 1: of a not a verbal altercation about it. But it 741 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: is a fight to work on true crime, so I 742 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: prefer to work with police versus families. So at any rate, 743 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: we all know where she was because I said, go 744 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: over to a house on the corner. I gave all 745 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,760 Speaker 1: the details. They got there. I said, just double double 746 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: check with a rod. They put it in the ground 747 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 1: if the if the rod stops, that means somebody's there 748 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: or the baby's there. And I did say, hey, she's 749 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,399 Speaker 1: not going to be sitting on the curb waving at you. 750 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: You are looking for remains in your recovery process. So 751 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: at any rate, they did find her where I located 752 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: the area, and no, I never went there. A lot 753 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: of people are there's there's guessing that I went there. 754 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,919 Speaker 1: They're guessing I've received maps. I never got any maps. 755 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: I had to do everything by myself and I had 756 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: to turn it into them and tell them do this 757 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: and this and this, and then when it was all 758 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 1: said and done, they didn't turn in the information. They 759 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: were the body there. So I called um Fox News, 760 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: I believe, and said, hey, listen, go down here through 761 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: the remains of Kaylee Anthony down there. Please get this 762 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 1: done and stop this madness because the media madness was 763 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: just over the top. And that was that was one 764 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: of my You know, it was a good learning lesson 765 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,800 Speaker 1: because it tells me, now, um, get everything in writing. Um. 766 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: I mean I've done it before and writing, but even 767 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: more so when it becomes more international and national. Uh 768 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: in a in a limelight with people and getting traumatized 769 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: by the fact that other people don't care about their 770 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,879 Speaker 1: child and it it's only about a ten percent situation, 771 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: but but it is tragic. Another case I worked on 772 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,280 Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't know that I worked 773 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: on was the Chonder Levy case. And I worked with 774 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,839 Speaker 1: the FBI on that particular case and told him where 775 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: her remains were, and I told him who did it 776 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 1: because it came through from my from my perceptions and 777 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: remote viewing, who did it and all the details, Um, 778 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,879 Speaker 1: so I guess. A couple of years later, a friend 779 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 1: of mine was a community leader in d C, I 780 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: and from the d C area, so I was up there. 781 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: But I had just had a child. So it wasn't 782 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: as if I could go out in the field and 783 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: go help because I had c section uh stitches. I 784 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,439 Speaker 1: just couldn't count go out and help. You'll you'll break it, You'll, 785 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: you could die. So so I gave as many details 786 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,920 Speaker 1: as I could, and they went out, and this was interesting. 787 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: They had three hundred police officers rookies actually go out 788 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 1: and um walk the area. But when they did, and 789 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: this is why you're called a rookie, is when you 790 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,840 Speaker 1: walk the area, they stepped on top of her body, 791 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: dislodged her from all the rocks, and she floated up 792 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 1: because she was not stabbed several times, but she floated up. 793 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: And then a man three days later walking his dog 794 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: found her in the exact area I mentioned. And I 795 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: tell people again the radius, the radius, the radius, And 796 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: I selected a barn and I said horses. You walked 797 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: down the hill from the horses, and there's only one 798 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,359 Speaker 1: down the hill from the horses to the creek. That's 799 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 1: the only direction you can't there weren't a ton of 800 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 1: creep beds down down the hill from the horses. There 801 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,279 Speaker 1: was only one. And they went there, and um, that's 802 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: where she was found. And I gave a bunch of 803 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,879 Speaker 1: details about about her remains. Did they get it right then? 804 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: About who the killer was? I did? I did get 805 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,359 Speaker 1: it right. So no, but they get it right. It's 806 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 1: a convoluted case because he was working alone. He had 807 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: been arrested several times for rape. He did take home, 808 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: um trophies, you know, underwear, but they kept going to 809 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 1: court and unfortunately his attorney was really good about getting 810 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: things dropped from being shown. Um, that's fine, I got 811 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: I hear you. So it's very aw curious about what 812 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: it is that you've been working on more recently. So 813 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: what what are your angles? What's happening? So you know. 814 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: The good news is because I was on the Coast 815 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: of Coast show, Um, I got to meet a woman 816 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 1: by the name of Maureen Sieberg, and she brought forward 817 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: the fact that I have uh she's wonderful and she's 818 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,799 Speaker 1: on your show too. Um. She mentioned that what I 819 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: always used to call my cre creabilities was actually called synesthesia. 820 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: And once she alerted me, this is what you're looking at. 821 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm seeing colors and things, and she said, pay attention 822 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 1: to that. And the next thing, you know, I start 823 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,800 Speaker 1: writing up what does this color mean? What what happens 824 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: when this color pops up? What happens when this color 825 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: pops up? And apparently only four percent of the world 826 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 1: has this kind of skill, and so it did help 827 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 1: me with with true crime or treasure that kind of saying, 828 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,919 Speaker 1: or even ghost hunting. So. Um, I got a call 829 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: to work on the Delphie murders, which I can't tell 830 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: you anything except for right now, we may be on 831 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,359 Speaker 1: top of something very you know, very concerning, and so 832 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm very excited about it. He may have turned out 833 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: to be a serial killer. UM. So I got a 834 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,279 Speaker 1: call up regarding that. I got a call regarding two 835 00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: ghost investigations, which that's a more party and fun stuff. Um. 836 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: So typically when people call me regarding the both crime, 837 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: true crime, UH and ghost hunting. I get a call 838 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: and they say, we're at this address. What can you 839 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 1: pick up, what can you tell us? Um, we know 840 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,399 Speaker 1: it is haunted. So what I do is I try 841 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,280 Speaker 1: to describe as it a male, is it a female, 842 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 1: a period, because you have to do the who, what, when, where, how, 843 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 1: and the when would be like sixteen hundreds, eighteen hundreds, 844 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds, etcetera. And and don't think our people that 845 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 1: die now they do haunt. I mean they have people 846 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: that There was a woman in Nevada, for example, she 847 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,239 Speaker 1: was in a car wreck and another woman saw a 848 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: dead body on the side of the road. And this 849 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: happened I guess ten years ago, and she kept seeing 850 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 1: a dead body that was naked, and that made them 851 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 1: pull over and call the cops. And the cops did 852 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,160 Speaker 1: some more research in the field in the rescue area, 853 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 1: and they found a car like I think two d 854 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 1: ft down the hill and and they found the woman dead, 855 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,799 Speaker 1: but with her little baby who was like four years old, 856 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,760 Speaker 1: and he was alive, so it saved him. So ghosts 857 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 1: are not necessarily only from history. They can be any time. 858 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 1: But on for example, the one case I just did 859 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,840 Speaker 1: out of Seattle. Um, I told him it was a woman, 860 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,840 Speaker 1: I said, period clothing. I'm gonna say uh, eighteen century, 861 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with eighteen sixty two to eighteen 862 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 1: sixty nine. So then you say, Okay, she had dark 863 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,080 Speaker 1: brown hair. I see her walking in the steps. I 864 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,960 Speaker 1: see that she could have fallen on the steps. And 865 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,440 Speaker 1: you know how back then, you you you tripped on 866 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,360 Speaker 1: your own clothing, and you die from tripping on your 867 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,719 Speaker 1: own clothing. Um. Now I got the impression she was 868 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 1: hit and flew down the stairs and killed that way. 869 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: And they said yes, and I kept saying the word. 870 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,360 Speaker 1: What I tell people is the details about the hotel 871 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,840 Speaker 1: that are very critical. I said, go to Cowboy the Cowboy. Anyway. 872 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: It turns out the hotel had a room and they 873 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: labeled the rooms different names and things, and one of 874 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: the rooms was called Little Cowboy, Big Cowboy. Um, Cowboy 875 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,359 Speaker 1: had that kind of thing. Yeah, that was fun. You know, 876 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: that was a lot of And that's why I say 877 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,360 Speaker 1: ghost hunting is party time. Now I'm a little different. 878 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,479 Speaker 1: I don't work on the evil hauntings like you do, 879 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: um or the Catman. I stay away from that kind 880 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 1: of stuff. So I would say to my psychic friends 881 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: are like that. They're very much love and light, you know, 882 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: just block it all out. It's like, but that's not 883 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: what I have to deal with. It's uh, the real 884 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,319 Speaker 1: world of the situation for me, because that is what 885 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: is most on the forefront these days, especially with the 886 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: pandemic going on, so much negativity. So I like that 887 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: you do something so sweet and innocent as finding missing pets, 888 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,960 Speaker 1: cats and dogs. I do. I do that. Yeah, And 889 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 1: it's said the last two years, we're having more people 890 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 1: just steal a dog out of a fence and sell it, 891 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 1: or steal a cat or dog and give it to 892 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 1: mom or dad and say here's your birthday present. Um, 893 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,319 Speaker 1: so I'm seeing a lot of that, and it's really weird. 894 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,919 Speaker 1: I will say, normally I get nine out of ten 895 00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,560 Speaker 1: locations done boom. But because of of it, and I'm 896 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 1: not quite sure why, my ratio has definitely dropped now. 897 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: It could be the clients are more traumatized. Um they 898 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: when they go there, they're alone and they're not looking 899 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,840 Speaker 1: as well as they could. But um, you know, sometimes 900 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: I want to do it, sometimes I don't want to 901 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 1: do it. Right now, I have like five cases of 902 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: horse some dogs all the way to Australia. I mean, 903 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: it's it's tough, but how can people get a hold 904 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,839 Speaker 1: of you if they want to hire you? Um, I 905 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,359 Speaker 1: can be located on my website, Reach Jeannette. So it's 906 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,480 Speaker 1: r E A C H. Jeanette G I N E 907 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: T T E dot com. Reach Jeanette dot com. It's 908 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,959 Speaker 1: sort of easy. That's wonderful. You are just a world 909 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,400 Speaker 1: of knowledge and so many different things. And I'm always 910 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,600 Speaker 1: impressed with what it is that you're able to do. 911 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,719 Speaker 1: And you even found an important item for myself at 912 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,680 Speaker 1: one point. So I tell people all the time if 913 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 1: you're missing something, reach Jeanette. There you go. That's so easy. 914 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,759 Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for coming on 915 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 1: the show today, Jeanette. This is a lot of fun. 916 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. While we have come to the 917 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: bottom of another fabulous and I hope informative program for 918 00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,239 Speaker 1: everybody that's tuning in, and I want to welcome you 919 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,680 Speaker 1: all to please go to shadow Folks dot com or 920 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,520 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis dot com and check out what I have 921 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,000 Speaker 1: there on the site. I have a lot of bits 922 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,719 Speaker 1: of information, especially regarding the topic of shadow people and 923 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,160 Speaker 1: hat Man and you guys, I hope you realize I 924 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,600 Speaker 1: have the author of eight different books only three of 925 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,600 Speaker 1: them are on these dark topics. Everything else kind of 926 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,719 Speaker 1: surround these topics, trying to help people build up their tolerance, 927 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: their understanding and ability to take these darker topics on. 928 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,880 Speaker 1: So check those out as well. I have books on 929 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,720 Speaker 1: angels and Jesus encounters and even the topic of faith. 930 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,800 Speaker 1: And I'm a cartoonist, so I have books for kids. 931 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,400 Speaker 1: And I also have uh couple of books that ballance 932 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,200 Speaker 1: on the topic of faith, one for adults, one for children, 933 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,160 Speaker 1: because we really have to have it out there in 934 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: this world. This is a really, really complicated world, especially 935 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,879 Speaker 1: with all of the trauma that everybody is dealing with. 936 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,960 Speaker 1: But you know what, if we keep supporting each other, 937 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,399 Speaker 1: it's gonna get easier, it's going to get better. And 938 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, light always wins in the end. Never forget 939 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,960 Speaker 1: that good guy always wins in the end. But it 940 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,480 Speaker 1: takes a little time, but it's okay, it's gonna be 941 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,279 Speaker 1: all right. It's a time of change, it's not the 942 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,520 Speaker 1: end of times, alright. Well, you guys, you know I 943 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,359 Speaker 1: am here every week and I always look forward to 944 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: hearing from you. Please reach out. There's anything I could 945 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,960 Speaker 1: do to give some insight on any of these topics. 946 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 1: That's what I'm here for. You have been listening to 947 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I 948 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,080 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 949 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:06,799 Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time, say for everybody. H Well, 950 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,799 Speaker 1: if you liked this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait 951 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,400 Speaker 1: till you hear the next one. You've been listening to 952 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 953 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 1: H