WEBVTT - A Magic Act Like No Other

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Dream Team Tapes, a Diversion Podcasts original

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<v Speaker 1>series in association with I Heart Radio. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>story of the United States Olympic basketball team that won

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<v Speaker 1>gold in Barcelona in known worldwide as the Dream Team.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, let me say get after late afternoon, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>because of HIV virus that I have attained, I will

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<v Speaker 1>have to retire from the Lakers today. Many of us

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<v Speaker 1>still remember where we were when we heard the announcement. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to compare to the assassination of a president.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I remember exactly where I was on November

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<v Speaker 1>Mrs Harris's freshman English class at Okrest High School, when

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<v Speaker 1>John Kennedy was shot in Dallas, or the day that

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<v Speaker 1>planes flew to the World Trade Center. Even I was

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<v Speaker 1>in my living room organizing a charity golf event for

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<v Speaker 1>the day. But this was November seven. Around one o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>that day, I had gotten a call from somebody in

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA saying that Magic Johnson was going to retire

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<v Speaker 1>from basketball due to a medical reason. What the hell,

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<v Speaker 1>You'll have to come into the office to write a story.

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Illustrators Basketball editor Sandy Padway told me, Now, what

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<v Speaker 1>you have to understand, and what many younger listeners will

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<v Speaker 1>find it hard to understand was that we weren't concentrating

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<v Speaker 1>on the retirement part, or what it's going to do

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<v Speaker 1>to the Lakers, or what it means to the n

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<v Speaker 1>b A, or what it means to the dream team.

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<v Speaker 1>What people of my age we're thinking was we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>watch him die. Irvan Johnson called Magic was to our

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<v Speaker 1>collective mind, a dead man walking. Roy Johnson, who was

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<v Speaker 1>an editor at s I in a book collaborator with Magic,

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<v Speaker 1>flew to l A that day to shepherd through a

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<v Speaker 1>first person story with Magic. That was the power of

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<v Speaker 1>s I. Back then we got Magic's voice into the magazine. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The story I wrote for that week's magazine carried the

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<v Speaker 1>single cover building Magic. The photo was Magic taking what

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<v Speaker 1>he called his junior junior skyhook. No other writing than

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<v Speaker 1>that single word magic. In the story, I conjured up

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<v Speaker 1>all that was special about Magic and ended with this

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<v Speaker 1>quote from San Antonio Spurs veteran forward Terry Cummings, the

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<v Speaker 1>Lakers will never be the same team and the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>will never be the same league. It bore the single

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<v Speaker 1>word headline, unforgettable. Man. It sure looked and read like

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about a dead person. Hi, and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to episode four of the Dream Team Tapes, Tom Jack

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<v Speaker 1>mc alum. Today we're gonna talk about several things. The

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<v Speaker 1>organization of the Dream Team once they got together, the

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<v Speaker 1>shocking while some thought so, defeat of the Dream Team

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<v Speaker 1>in a scrimmage to a college all star team, the

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<v Speaker 1>division of leadership within the Dream Team, and the singular

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<v Speaker 1>what should I call it bravery hutzpah, a combination of

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<v Speaker 1>the two that led a man who most of us

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<v Speaker 1>thought was going to die to the pinnacle of the

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<v Speaker 1>basketball world in Barcelona. We'll return to that, but let's

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<v Speaker 1>figure out where we are now. The team has picked.

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<v Speaker 1>They've arrived for the first practice session at you see

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego. In a word, it's a zoo, hundreds and

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of reporters working outside. To a non journalist, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even to a young journalist, this is exciting now. Two

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<v Speaker 1>hard bitten veterans like myself. That was my eight year

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<v Speaker 1>covering the league, and I was about to turn forty three.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a nightmare. And here's what I wrote about

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<v Speaker 1>that scene in Dream Team. There we were the Nations

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the world's sporting press, maybe five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>of us on the steps of the University of California,

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego, shuffling around with equal parts anticipation and exasperation,

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for the doors of the Holy Temple to open,

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<v Speaker 1>at which point we would prostrate ourselves at the feet

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<v Speaker 1>of the Dream Team and grovel like face down chickens

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<v Speaker 1>pecking in a field for any casually tossed out nuggets

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<v Speaker 1>they might deign to cast our way. Okay, that's off

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<v Speaker 1>my chest. Now. We were eventually allowed access to the

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Temple, and there was the first sight of them together.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, I grant you exciting or it was certainly

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<v Speaker 1>at least interesting in its own way, But what had

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<v Speaker 1>already happened would have been more interesting to see or

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<v Speaker 1>listened to. I had to reconstruct all this later. The

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<v Speaker 1>night before there had been a team meeting, and before

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<v Speaker 1>that a couple of side meetings involving the head coach,

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Daily. The first one was between Daily and his

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<v Speaker 1>assistants Mike Saski and p J. Carlesimo. Coach K describes it.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first meeting, Duck said, the very first thing

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<v Speaker 1>I want you guys to do, and you have whatever

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<v Speaker 1>is worn to ignore. He said, we have a def

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<v Speaker 1>players in the world, and you guys and p J,

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<v Speaker 1>you two are going to look at every little thing

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<v Speaker 1>which you'd have to do in your own world, but

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<v Speaker 1>in our world most of it it's not that important.

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<v Speaker 1>Learned to ignore. It's one of my favorite anecdotes from

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<v Speaker 1>the book, these two eager to please college coaches coming

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<v Speaker 1>in and Chuck saying, okay, let's chill a little bit. Fellas.

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<v Speaker 1>Another meeting Daily had was with Magic and Jordan's he

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<v Speaker 1>sets us down, like when I was like, uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys going to be and the leaders of the team,

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael before had been Michael's that Magic and he

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<v Speaker 1>deferred to me. Now, Bird, who had every bit as

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<v Speaker 1>big a claim to be ceremonial captain as Magic, had

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<v Speaker 1>no problem with Magic being the front man. They were

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<v Speaker 1>in fact named co captains, as Bird remembers it, but

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<v Speaker 1>most of the captainish duties went to Magic. We had

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<v Speaker 1>a meeting egos luring Magic's captain, but yet Magic sort

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<v Speaker 1>of took more of the big Magic. He sort of

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<v Speaker 1>took more of the role, no question, That's how he is.

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<v Speaker 1>And I understand that there wasn't no eagle thing with me.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to carry the flag out there, carre

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<v Speaker 1>the flag. Now there are appointed captains and there are

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<v Speaker 1>actual captains, and there is no doubt who the real

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the Dream Team was. Here's Patrick Ewing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael was the leader, even though Magic, you know he

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<v Speaker 1>said all the things. I mean, Michael, Michael, Michael. There

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<v Speaker 1>was an edge to the Jordan Magic relationship. It really

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<v Speaker 1>surfaces during the mystical the Greatest Game that nobody ever saw,

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<v Speaker 1>Scrimmage and Monte Carlo, that is the subject of the

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<v Speaker 1>sixth podcast in this series, and Bird figures into it.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a theory that Jordan was a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>jealous of the dual relationship that Magic and Bird had.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan's didn't have a co revolutionary, an immortal buddy, as

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<v Speaker 1>it were, to march off into history and proclaim we

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<v Speaker 1>saved the league together. It was always Magic and Bird

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<v Speaker 1>as the eternal Alphonse and Gaston, the joint subjects of

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie McMullen's great book when the Game was ours, But

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<v Speaker 1>it was Michael alone, the eternal solitary man. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>one man guy in the morning, same in the afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>one man guy. When the sun goes down, I wiss

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<v Speaker 1>me one man to whom what you'd prefer. I went

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<v Speaker 1>for Neil Diamond, solitary man instead of the great Rufus

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne Wrights one man guy. But Mike was is a

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<v Speaker 1>true one man guy, and he never liked magics. Sometimes subtle,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes overt claims that the Dream Team belonged to him

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<v Speaker 1>and Larry. But but as much as a guy sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>didn't buy into the magic, I'm in charge here thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no one anywhere that could deny the fortitude, courage,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes, leadership that magic showed in combating HIV. He

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<v Speaker 1>announced that he had the virus on November seven, and

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<v Speaker 1>this happened on February nine, almost exactly three months later,

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<v Speaker 1>show time in Orlando. The final seconds, you're not getting

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<v Speaker 1>yes he is six ladies and gentlemen, it's just Tid

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<v Speaker 1>Orchid get deliver three bread trades for Johnson at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the game one and falling away and as

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<v Speaker 1>mother and father Urban Senior from Lansing, Michigan there to

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<v Speaker 1>leave this year. That was the voice of Dick Enbergh

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<v Speaker 1>calling down the final seconds of the All Star Game

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<v Speaker 1>in Orlando, which ends with magic guarded, okay, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>guarded by Isaiah making a three point shot. Magic played

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<v Speaker 1>more minutes than anyone except Jordan's, scored more points than anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>and handed out more assist than anyone nine and of

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<v Speaker 1>course won the MVP Award. Only ninety four days had

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<v Speaker 1>passed since the announcement that we thought was an announcement

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<v Speaker 1>of slow deaths, and here he is not just not dying,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently getting better, starring in the All Star Game.

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<v Speaker 1>And to answer everyone's question, yes, God damn it, I

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<v Speaker 1>will be going to Barcelona. In those three months, Magic

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<v Speaker 1>had resumed working out, started to eat healthy, started to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about HIV, reaching out in his own magic way

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<v Speaker 1>to others with HIV aids literally around the world. Now

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<v Speaker 1>did he have missteps? Of course, he helped form a

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<v Speaker 1>commission that managed to have no one with HIV or

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<v Speaker 1>any gay mail on it, which at that time was

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<v Speaker 1>a community suffering from the plague more than anyone. But

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<v Speaker 1>Magic forged a head. Now there was backlash, such as

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<v Speaker 1>the comment by Dr Brian Sando, the senior medical director

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<v Speaker 1>of the Australian Olympic Federation's basketball program, quote to be

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<v Speaker 1>read by my Australian producer Mark, I would certainly recommend

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<v Speaker 1>that our basketball let's not come pete with a team

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<v Speaker 1>in which Magic Johnson was a member. That risk. You

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<v Speaker 1>cannot absolutely say it's navigating the care basketballers. Come on, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>But look Sando was not some fringe guy. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a well known doctor whose death in two thousand twelve

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<v Speaker 1>was mourned throughout the Australian sports world. So his was

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<v Speaker 1>not an out their opinion, and it was shared by

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<v Speaker 1>probably millions, including some people close to Magic. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes there was conversation in USA basketball circles

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<v Speaker 1>about well, should we welcome Magic back with open arms?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it safe? Is it okay? This is Rod Thorne,

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<v Speaker 1>a key committee member. It was a death sentence. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what happens if he gets to open cut

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<v Speaker 1>close risk. It was always an issue written about a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>so Thorne said. There was much consulting with medical people

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually the decision was made that Magic would be safe.

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<v Speaker 1>But according to Clyde Drexe, it was never far from

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<v Speaker 1>anyone's mind. In other words, there were times, according to Drexler,

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<v Speaker 1>when people took it easy on Magic. Now that was

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<v Speaker 1>certainly true in the All Star game. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>defense is not the watchword of that day anyway, and

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<v Speaker 1>I doubt it was true by the time the Dream

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<v Speaker 1>Team was assembled. And it should be noticed that Clyde,

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<v Speaker 1>who sometimes says things that he later regrets, was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the staunchest defenders of Magic when he decided to

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<v Speaker 1>return to basketball. If the doctors say it's safe, that's

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<v Speaker 1>okay with me, Drexler said at the time. Now later,

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<v Speaker 1>much later, after the Dream Team got back to the

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<v Speaker 1>States with the gold medal, one member of the Dream Team,

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Malone, had lots of worries about Magic playing. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that in the final episode. But all in all,

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<v Speaker 1>I firmly believe that when the history of the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>has written, somewhere near the first page will be its

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<v Speaker 1>contributions to HIV AIDS. Understanding the result of the resolute

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<v Speaker 1>stand taken by Commissioner David Stern that we will be

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<v Speaker 1>cowed by fear combined with the undying determination of Magic

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<v Speaker 1>to keep on plan. Look, Magic didn't become the first

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<v Speaker 1>famous person to live and thrive with the disease purely

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<v Speaker 1>because of his will. Let's not go full out, Dr

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<v Speaker 1>phil On this Magic had one of the great AIDS

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<v Speaker 1>researchers in the world, Dr David Hoe, working with him

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<v Speaker 1>and a dedicated personal physician in Michael Melman, and doing

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<v Speaker 1>large part to Magic's efforts. Research grew by leaps and

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<v Speaker 1>bounds in the months following Magic's alling himself. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>just the fact that having a positive attitude approaching any

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<v Speaker 1>disease is a good thing, and Magic was the ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>and positive attitude. So let's get back to San Diego

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<v Speaker 1>and the early days of practice for the Dream Team.

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<v Speaker 1>The captain ship is pretty much figured out, but still

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<v Speaker 1>think act roles are being determined, who leads on the court,

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<v Speaker 1>who shoots, who screens, who passes, Who's in charge. Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>Daily wanted to get them an action right away, which

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<v Speaker 1>is what you do with pros. So USA Basketball organized

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<v Speaker 1>for a first class college all star team, the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of team maybe literally the team plus Christian Lightner that

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<v Speaker 1>would have been our Olympic team had competition not been

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<v Speaker 1>opened up to include NBA players. So on the third

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<v Speaker 1>day of practice, when the mass has made our Daily

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<v Speaker 1>heard of Buffalo troop into practice, we could tell something

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<v Speaker 1>was wrong. Remember, we could not watch what happened. Practices

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<v Speaker 1>were closed we spent our post practice interview time trying

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<v Speaker 1>to reconstruct what had happened, which usually wasn't much. But

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<v Speaker 1>on this day June, something had happened. Some of these

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<v Speaker 1>college players we've just got through playing against should be

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<v Speaker 1>on this team. But that was Larry Bird's way of saying,

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<v Speaker 1>we got beat by the kids. So, as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>the Dream Team had a loss in the first game

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<v Speaker 1>it played. Okay, not an official loss. There was no

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<v Speaker 1>box score, no official wrap up, but the College All

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<v Speaker 1>Stars beat the Dream teamers by a score of sixty

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<v Speaker 1>two to fifty four. At least that's the most accurate

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<v Speaker 1>score I've been able to piece together. Accounts very widely,

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<v Speaker 1>as does the significance of the event. Bird, as I recall,

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<v Speaker 1>seemed piste off. Jordan was piste off that day too,

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<v Speaker 1>though for a different reason. Daily didn't play him in

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<v Speaker 1>the scrimmage very much. And here's how two players, first

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Mullen and then Charles Barkley evaluated that scrimmage years later,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think I think it was more like the

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<v Speaker 1>scrimmage for us in a World Challenge family. There were

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<v Speaker 1>First it was early on, which was actually masked by

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<v Speaker 1>and I worked out that way. It was perfect probably,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do really After that an Badge was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>ship together, we're gonna be here, you know. And then

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<v Speaker 1>from then on were better. We were kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>just going through the motions and they were feeling like

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<v Speaker 1>he was gay seven and they beat us. So we

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<v Speaker 1>got together that night and the next day would beat

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<v Speaker 1>him by let we see it would beat them. Feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we've beat about third part point. We just started

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<v Speaker 1>kicking and we wouldn't score anything where we just killed

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<v Speaker 1>well maybe, but there was lingering concern, which was the

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<v Speaker 1>way that the Collegians, particularly Bobby Hurley, the Duke point guard,

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<v Speaker 1>who would have no doubt started on the non Dream

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<v Speaker 1>team Olympic team, penetrated the Dream team defense well, to

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<v Speaker 1>be specific, how easily he got past Magic, who was

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<v Speaker 1>never the best one on one defender even in his

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<v Speaker 1>salad days. It was after that scrimmage of Daily and

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<v Speaker 1>the coaches decided any speedy guards in the Empics would

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<v Speaker 1>be defended by either Jordan or Pippen in the next

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<v Speaker 1>scrimmage with the Collegians. In fact, Daily put Jordan on

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<v Speaker 1>Hurley and as Grant Hill told me, he could barely

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<v Speaker 1>get the ball pass mid court. Then that was a

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<v Speaker 1>harbinger of what Jordan would do to Tony Ku coach

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<v Speaker 1>and Sharrunus Marchalonis in the Olympics. Those stories are coming

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<v Speaker 1>up now at the front of the line of those

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<v Speaker 1>who firmly believed there was nothing to worry about after

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<v Speaker 1>the scrimmage loss was Mike seki U just wanted for

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<v Speaker 1>one day the orchestrate. Whether we lost it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>it was only a short twenty minute spring and to

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<v Speaker 1>let that our guys know that you could look okay

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<v Speaker 1>and how it was officiated and hardly said a word

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<v Speaker 1>there in that scrimmage. Chuck was So everyone left San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego and fairly good spirits on route to Portland for

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<v Speaker 1>the Tournament of the Americas. The United States Sea had

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<v Speaker 1>to qualify for the Olympics due to its third place

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<v Speaker 1>finish in Like most of the reporters following this crazy circus,

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking forward to Portland's great city, nice bars,

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<v Speaker 1>good restaurants, and we would at last get to see

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<v Speaker 1>this team in action. And we're the dream team members

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<v Speaker 1>that excited. Well for them, it would be nice to

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<v Speaker 1>actually start playing. But Portland's also proved to be the

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<v Speaker 1>first time when we really saw how much business and

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<v Speaker 1>marketing and the pursuit of the dollar had to do

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<v Speaker 1>with this whole thing, and Michael Jordan's for one, would

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<v Speaker 1>not be happy. Thanks for listening and I'll see you

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<v Speaker 1>for episode five. If you enjoyed The Dream Team Tapes,

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<v Speaker 1>The Dream Team Tapes is written and hosted by Jack mckellum.

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<v Speaker 1>It executive producers Mark Francis and Scott Waxman, Executive producer

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