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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Meat Eaters gear Talk podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm the hospital. Tell us here with Jordan's bud. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: what's been going.

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Speaker 2: On on turkeys guiding turkeys. I've got a couple of

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Speaker 2: guys sitting out right now that as of about eight

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Speaker 2: o'clock this morning, they had a bunch of hens around

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Speaker 2: that I could see, but uh I didn't.

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Speaker 1: You can them from a distance and see what's going on.

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Speaker 2: It's real nice, nice. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I like the still are the shotgun hunting the.

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Speaker 2: Shotgun in it? Yeah? I think shotgun season opened just

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Speaker 2: this last weekend, so it's been going good. Last week

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Speaker 2: for the season, we had a nine year old and

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Speaker 2: I think on the last podcast we had talked about

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Speaker 2: it a little bit and I thought she was eleven,

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Speaker 2: but she's she was actually nine and she shot her

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Speaker 2: Marriams with us, which finished her slam. They got it

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Speaker 2: done and it was like a month and a day.

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Speaker 1: So that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I realized that I could actually if I kill it

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Speaker 1: Eastern in Michigan, then all I would need would be

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Speaker 1: a rio to get a slam in one season. It

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Speaker 1: would take me a little bit longer than that because

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Speaker 1: I killed that Asiola way back in early March, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I had a quick, little fleeting dream

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Speaker 1: of maybe zipping over to Kansas somewhere trying to get

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Speaker 1: me a real but probably not going to. Oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have an I'm gonna have a nice, a good,

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Speaker 1: a good turkey season, especially after this weekend where Montana

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Speaker 1: opened on the fifteenth. There must be a gazillion states

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Speaker 1: that opened on the fifteenth of April, because it seemed

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Speaker 1: like Instagram all sudden blew up on on dead Turkey photos.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I hunted with my buddy Zach Sandal from Onyx.

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Speaker 1: We've been doing this trip now for I think this

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Speaker 1: was our fourth year, and we head up to Region

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Speaker 1: one in Region two Montana. Montana's got an interesting deal going.

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Speaker 1: You can kill five gobblers in Montana. People, Holy cal five.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna knock down the population. But Montana's a giant

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Speaker 1: state and there's seven hunting regions. Four of those hunting

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Speaker 1: regions allow you a region specific turkey tag, and that's

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Speaker 1: Regions one, two, five, and seven. Then you also get

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Speaker 1: one state wide tag, so that's how you end up

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Speaker 1: with five gobbler tags. You can actually kill some hens

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Speaker 1: too in some very places where they just have way, way,

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Speaker 1: way too many turkeys. I think those are fall tags,

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Speaker 1: but in spring is five gobblers, and so they really

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Speaker 1: spread the pressure out right Region one. If you left

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Speaker 1: you had a minimum seven hours, it's probably closer to

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Speaker 1: eight or nine to drive from one of those regions

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Speaker 1: to the other. So, like I said, the pressure is

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Speaker 1: super spread out. And I've been trying now for at

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Speaker 1: least five six years to try to kill the what

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Speaker 1: I call the Montana Slam and kill birds in four

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Speaker 1: regions plus a statewide, and I've not been successful. But

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Speaker 1: this year, just coming off on the heels of this trip,

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Speaker 1: killed a bird's Region one, killed two birds in Region two.

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Speaker 1: So I use my Region two tag there and then

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Speaker 1: my state wide and then now I've just got Region

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Speaker 1: five and seven left, and I've got trips planned both

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Speaker 1: those regions. So it's looking good unless something unless as

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Speaker 1: there's just a blizzard in all of May that might

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Speaker 1: slow me down. But yeah, it was sweet weather. It

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Speaker 1: was nice. Birds were flocked up, definitely kind of winter

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Speaker 1: flocks like we worked one flock one morning that was

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Speaker 1: sixty birds, which was pretty cool, one of the bigger

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Speaker 1: flocks I've ever worked, and we got the whole flock

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Speaker 1: the jakes came over like they liked to do, and

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Speaker 1: And we had two gobblers looked like they were going

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Speaker 1: veered a little bit wide. But Zach was up to shoot.

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Speaker 1: I already shot one the day before, and so I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you think you can make it, shoot it, and

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Speaker 1: he uh, oh, man, I can't decide if I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: mention the which choke he was using. He had pattern

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Speaker 1: has gone out to forty and at sixty shot at

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Speaker 1: this Tom fifty five sixty, which is a little bit

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Speaker 1: He then proceed to shoot one of the jakes that

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Speaker 1: was that was standing around two clothes. But yeah, goals

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Speaker 1: show you. You gotta pattern it out too, as far

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Speaker 1: as you think you're gonna shoot. He felt like the

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Speaker 1: work he had done on the gun, or the other

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Speaker 1: people had done on the gun, he was going to

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Speaker 1: be dialed. And the only reason I'm not giving you

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Speaker 1: more details is because I just feel like it's not

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Speaker 1: my place to go. If it was my gun, and

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Speaker 1: I had just it happened to me. I would go

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Speaker 1: and I would go and tell you that. Being said,

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Speaker 1: I had patterned my gun out to sixty, since I

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Speaker 1: had shot that Osceola at sixty and I'm shooting the

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Speaker 1: Bretta Ultima a three hundred. I believe what it's called.

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Speaker 1: I just got it so hard to remember the name.

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Speaker 1: It's got a Carlson's TSS choke in it, for it's

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Speaker 1: a twenty gage. I believe the choke is a five

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Speaker 1: and at sixty, I would say that my pattern is

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Speaker 1: still Looking at my hands right now, trying to measure

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Speaker 1: the distance I'm gonna tell you here, like it's not

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Speaker 1: I mean, sure there's a few flyers at sixty, which

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Speaker 1: is expected, but the densest part of the pattern is

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Speaker 1: still two feet. So yeah, when we went down to

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Speaker 1: Region two, we I was just telling you, man, it

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Speaker 1: and they've gotten up on this timbered ridge that we

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Speaker 1: doing that. So we were on private that we could hunt.

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Speaker 1: So I just figured, you know what, I'll to stay

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Speaker 1: Hopefully it happens before the rain comes. Anyways, Eventually, all

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Speaker 1: four gobblers, I think three hens they actually flew off

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Speaker 1: once he did, he just full strut and just marched

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Speaker 1: the decoys. And I'm sure you see it a lot,

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Speaker 1: and you got guys hunting nighttyr blinds over decoys. But

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Speaker 1: it's kind of amazing how well those decoys work. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: we had DSD Dave Smith decoy's UH had the posturing

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Speaker 1: Jake upright hand feeding him. And man, that bird came

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Speaker 1: and Zach, it was my turn to shoot. So he

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, I'll let him get by another

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Speaker 1: the decoy thing that I mean, I honestly think I

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Speaker 1: which it brings up the whole decoy thing. I want

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Speaker 1: to get your opinion too, Like it's always weird just

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Speaker 1: don't want to use him, right, Like it's so much

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Speaker 1: easier to run and gun without decoys. I like to

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Speaker 1: I do it without decoys. But if you don't have

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Speaker 1: that decoy set up in that situation, you make that call.

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Speaker 1: He starts coming right when he gets up to forty

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Speaker 1: or it gets to wherever he's gonna be. Where he

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Speaker 1: can see where that call came from because he's got

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Speaker 1: that bead on that tree where that call came from.

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Speaker 1: And he sees that there's no hen or no other turkey.

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Speaker 1: He's not sticking around long. You have to take that

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Speaker 1: shot and make it happen in that moment, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: the decoys, it like just gets you. Lets you see

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Speaker 1: up turkey up close, watch him gobble another twenty thirty times.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I don't want to say I'm conflicted.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, it's situation dependent, and I just feel

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Speaker 1: like you got to choose what's right for you. In

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Speaker 1: was in that scenario where we had whatever it was,

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Speaker 1: a couple hundred acres of private to hunt. I was

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Speaker 1: going to use every trick I had, every tactic, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that like a couple things I have

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Speaker 2: started to set up. I'll start, I guess I'll start

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Speaker 2: with this first. Eastern Montana is the same way, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard multiple people say that over the years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got I know, I got a little

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Speaker 1: I felt I always feel like a real tourist. And

429
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: when I was living in Colorado, we'd rent snowshoes, rent poles,

430
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: and you'd see people out on the trails, you know,

431
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: having a great old time with their fanning pack, their poles, snowshoes,

432
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: just tramping along. And so that's how I feel like

433
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: when I'm out there with my hiking poles and snow shoes.

434
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

435
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're kind of working a little benchy. Yeah,

436
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: there's a bench on this ridge. And every ten minutes

437
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: or so, if I hadn't seen Mangus in a while,

438
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: I pull out the GPS and kind of just check

439
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: and see where he's at. And one of the times

440
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: I pull it out, looked down and says that he's

441
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: not moving, but he's still barking, which could could be,

442
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: but he is barking. We couldn't hear him snowing too

443
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: much a little bit of wind, So we walk over

444
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: to the edge. He was only I don't know, one

445
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards maybe two hundred yards away from us,

446
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: And once we got to the edge, I could hear

447
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: him barking treed. But man, we've had a lot of

448
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: false alarms this year. I could say one thing. I

449
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: think after that day, I can trust him on his

450
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: tree bark. Like, if I hear the tree bark, I

451
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: know he's got something treat, probably a raccoon, bob cat,

452
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: a lion. And because of where we were in our

453
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: previous intel, I figured it was lying. But I told chrisine,

454
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: don't get excited yet. Once we see the cat, we

455
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: can get excited. But yeah, we floated down the hill

456
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: and sure enough he had caught what looked to me

457
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: like another one hundred pound cat, and it was in

458
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: such a thick spot. If you look at my Instagram,

459
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: you can see I've posted a couple of pictures, but

460
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: all you could see was its face, its ears. I

461
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: guess you can call that its head, but you literally

462
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: couldn't see its neck. And that's all it was, was

463
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: just its face sticking out. And then I went to

464
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: the other side of the tree. You could just see,

465
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, most of his tail. So it would have

466
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: been hard to sex it. We really would have had

467
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: to ask a lot of that cat to move around

468
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: just properly to sex it. And it really just didn't

469
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: have that big look to it, just kind of a

470
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: sleeker face, not scrunched up, and no rolls of skin.

471
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: Not what I would call a bucket head or a

472
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: pumpkin head, just a little sleeker, narrower. Just didn't give

473
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: off that vibe of a cat that I was gonna,

474
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, try to harvest. So we hung out for

475
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty minutes and took some pictures and had

476
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: a snack and walked away. That's the end of lion season. People,

477
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I mean, sure it is

478
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: on the internet. People don't read the captions or don't

479
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: listen to what you're saying all the time, and so

480
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: everybody's always asking, well, why you just cheining them and

481
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: not killing them? Did you kill it? It's like, dude,

482
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: if I killed it, I would have had a picture

483
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: for you of me and the dead cat one hundred percent.

484
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: But to reiterate, I'm looking for a mature tom, and

485
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what that is. By knowing, my

486
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: buddy Jeff flood sends me a picture of a mature

487
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: tom that he killed that was involved in some depredation. Uh,

488
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: it's a different looking critter. Like, like I said, it's

489
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: just got that dark crease in its forehead. It's got

490
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: works kind of some roles in it's in its face.

491
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: It's it's rounder chunkier head, and they just look bigger.

492
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: I think when I see the right one, it'll be

493
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: very appairent. You're going to Yeah, And but that's the thing.

494
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: It's this whole business about hunting these cats, chasing these cats.

495
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: It's I don't know. I mean, I guess if I

496
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: if I treat a nice time every year, well I

497
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: kill a nice time every year, probably don't see myself

498
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: passing it up. Maybe things will change after I've killed

499
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 1: four or five of them. But I mean, as far

500
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, no reason not to write. There's a

501
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 1: there's a there's a there's a quota, there's a season. Uh,

502
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: it's a managed population, and the meat's great. So yeah,

503
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting for the big one. And I'm sure

504
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: next year December first, first day of season, or this year,

505
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: I should say December first, we're gonna go out and

506
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: get ourselves a nice people of tom cap Heck.

507
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you guys were, when you and Zach were

508
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: Turkey hunting. Did you how'd you guys camp? Did you

509
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: like stay in a house or did you do you like.

510
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: A car camping deal or what car camp?

511
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: Nice?

512
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, mobile, we each have our own trucks. I actually

513
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: took some pictures of the car camp and setups and

514
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: it's nothing elaborate. And that actually brings us to, uh,

515
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: you know a little segment that we were trying to

516
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: trying to do and promote and repeat here on gear

517
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: talk podcasts. But it's what's new, and this gear item

518
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: isn't exactly new. I got a new version of it.

519
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: It's the single wide. I've had the double wide I

520
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: think for two full seasons, maybe even three. I know

521
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: I had it with me sheep hunt. But it's the

522
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: Nemo roamor a little bit spending. I can't remember the price,

523
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you we've lent out a couple My

524
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: wife was just telling me she's lent out our pads

525
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: a couple of times, or brought him with to these

526
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: trainings that she does for work and let people borrow

527
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: them and just sleep on floors or whatever. And man,

528
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it is like you're not sleep It does

529
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: not feel like you're sleeping on an inflatable mattress whatsoever,

530
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: and they're tough trucks. Back of my truck's kind of dirty.

531
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: It's got drywall dust and crust from little projects we

532
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 1: got going on at the house. I just didn't have

533
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: time to clean it all out, which I normally like

534
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: to do before I go sleep in the back of it.

535
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: But I didn't have any qualms. I mean, obviously a

536
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: screwer and nail is going to punch right through it. Right,

537
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: it's an airpad, but anyways, super comfyed. I guess it's

538
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: got some sort of our value for insulation. But the

539
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: single wide is probably the size of a I don't know,

540
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: not quite two basketball stacked on top of each other,

541
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: basketball and a half something like that. And yeah, I

542
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: just leave it. I have a inchin a eighth chunk

543
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: of plywood is covered in like that green outdoor carpet.

544
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: It sits on the deck rails, inside my top or

545
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: in my bed, so that pad was underneath it and

546
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't using it. I would just fold it under

547
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: that shelf. It would just be out of the way.

548
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: Sleeping bags there, pillows there, So when you're ready, just

549
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: PLoP that sucker out crawl was stick my feet in there,

550
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: and I think two nights I slept in there, and

551
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: then one night I just just yanked it out and

552
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: said it on the ground. We had a nice grassy

553
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: spot we were parked on and just slept outside. But yeah,

554
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: other than that, I have a rubber maid kitchen a

555
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: toe that's full of my what I call the car.

556
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: It's labeled the car camping kitchen. We didn't even use

557
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: that much out of it. I think we used one pot.

558
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: I have those MSR pots titanium tefon coded right. They're

559
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: more of a backpacking pot. But when you're just one

560
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: or two people and all you're doing is warming up

561
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: some water, heating up some sausages or what do we bring?

562
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: I bought. I brought a court of a goose stew

563
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: that I'd made, dumped it in there, warmed it up

564
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: two minutes later and you got hot stew. We ate that.

565
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, that and then a cooler, some food, a

566
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: few beers in there, uh what else? Juggle water perfect,

567
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: and then my hunting gear gets.

568
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: Me so excited for camping. Man.

569
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is the this is the my annual

570
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: kick off to camping. And it's a nice break in right,

571
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: because you're still pretty comfortable. We're driving around. If you

572
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: want to stop at a cafe and have a burger

573
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: in rural Montana for lunch one day, you can, but

574
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: we're prepared to, you know, stay out. Yeah, it's super

575
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: nice to sleep out. And it was chilly. I'm glad

576
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: I brought the I brought the uh Nemo zero degree.

577
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of it. It's the one

578
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: that has the guilt you can open. Yeah, the one's

579
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: got the first light camel on, nice warm bag. It's

580
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just a little bit big and

581
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: bulky that I would if I I don't know if

582
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: i'd use it for backpacking. I'm sure you could. It's

583
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I don't know the way Off

584
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: the top of my head. I will say the one

585
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: feature that it has that is super super sweet, and

586
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: I think that I can't believe everybody else is gonna

587
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: do this. I don't know what they call it or

588
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: what it is, but I'll try to describe it. The

589
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: zipper is got this rubberized sort of it's coating the zipper,

590
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: but it also protrudes out in front of the zipper.

591
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: Like the direction you're pulling it to close the zipper,

592
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of like a wing and what

593
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: it's meant to do is push the fabric away from

594
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: the zipper so that you never get your fabric caught

595
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: in the zippers. That makes sense. Oh yeah, you probably

596
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: You probably have that same bag with that same I do.

597
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do. It's like a lot of people

598
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: want to get away from zippers, and I just I

599
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: don't know if there's any getting away with zippers, but

600
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 2: they're doing stuff like that to them, which is really

601
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: like forward thinking.

602
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's not like anybody's spend a lot

603
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: of time at sleeping bag knows that. Sure there's a way.

604
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: You sort of have to zip it up with one

605
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: finger under the zipper, and that the finger moves the

606
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: fabric out of the way so that as you're zipping

607
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: you can close it up. That being said, doesn't matter.

608
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: You climb in there, you forget to do it. You

609
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: go to pull it up, you're tired and alsodden, you know,

610
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: jams up and you're fighting it and piss because all

611
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: you want to do is just is to zip it

612
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: up and go to sleep. So someone's thinking about it,

613
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: and uh, we're working for solutions, so I like it. Yeah,

614
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: anything new and exciting for gear coming across your desk.

615
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of new things that are just

616
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 2: getting ready to hit the market or have hit the market.

617
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: A lot of folks in the last few days. I've

618
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 2: probably seen the new h F HF binal harness, the fob.

619
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: It's a forward opening harness. It's I've been used in it.

620
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: I used it this whole last fall, and I believe

621
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 2: you have two m and uh, it's great, great harness.

622
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: I think, very well thought out, very modular if you

623
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: want it to be, or you know, pretty sleek if

624
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: you don't want it to be. One question that I've

625
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: been getting in they have, I know they have been

626
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: getting a lot is do the magnets in the magnetic

627
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: closures impact the reliability of using a GPS or compass

628
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: on your phone and everything. I talked to Rick from

629
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: a FHF about this just to see what their stance was,

630
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: and He's like, basically they found that it depended on

631
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: the phone and even the phone case a little bit.

632
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: But if you didn't have the phone within basically six

633
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: inches of the magnet they didn't see any issues. They

634
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: didn't find any issues with it, And this seems to

635
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: be like a large point of marketing, if you want

636
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: to call it of, Like some companies doing non magnetics,

637
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: magnets can screw with your pacemaker if you have a pacemaker,

638
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: So I think that's something you definitely want to make

639
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: sure of. But as far as affecting your phone in compasses,

640
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: like magnets on nyl harnesses, they're so there's such an

641
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: efficient way to open and close one handed. They're pretty

642
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 2: damn strong, and they're just like a really good way

643
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: to do it. The little bit that you might have

644
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: to maybe take it off or hold your phone out

645
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: away from the harness to use a compass or to

646
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: use your phone, I just don't think that it's really

647
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think it's as big a factor

648
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: as people make it out to be. I think it

649
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 2: gets a little overblown.

650
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: No, I've definitely seen it affect my phone. I like

651
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 1: to I'm a person that likes to do the matt mind.

652
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: When I set up my maps, I have it set

653
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: up in north up so that anytime I use the

654
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: directional pointer, the map moves to where to to where

655
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: I'm pointing, right, so my phone is pointing at If

656
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: I pointed at a ridgetop, my point point my phone

657
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: should point that way whatever, So very quickly. If you're

658
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: hunting along a river and you're pointing your phone and

659
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: it's you should be looking at the river on your map,

660
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: but you're not. It's behind you, you know something's up.

661
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: It's definitely a I have the iPhone twelve I think

662
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: twelve bro something like that. I've definitely seen it affect it.

663
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: If I'm holding it right next to my by no harness,

664
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: which people do. I think it's gonna affect it for sure.

665
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: If you're six to twelve inches away, not gonna have

666
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: any issues. Hold it up in front of your face,

667
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: not gonna have any issues. So I don't know if

668
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: that's going to make you, you know, not use that product.

669
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: It hasn't been so bad that it's been annoying. It's

670
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: just been something that you just get get used to.

671
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: Right.

672
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: If you see that it's tweaking with it, just move

673
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: it away from your from your body a little bit more.

674
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I feel like I feel like we

675
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: covered that pretty well. But that was a big question

676
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: and I've heard that question a lot on magnetic harnesses,

677
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 2: but man, they are nice. And another moving on another

678
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: product that just came out. Our Golly just came out there,

679
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: a white he one person tent. I actually used this

680
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: tent one night for an overnighter. I swung by the

681
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: the Our Golly store and Brad lives right in Boise there.

682
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: So I was going on a mule deer trip. Just

683
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: wanted to be super lightweight, and I knew he had

684
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: this new proto one person and I asked him if

685
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: I could take it, so he he sent it with me.

686
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: I didn't double check to make sure that there were

687
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: actually steaks with it, So I got all the way

688
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: up to where I was going, went to pitch it

689
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: out right before dark, and I didn't have any steaks,

690
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: so I just tied it to rocks. Well, I I

691
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: think it was Brad. Uh. Well, it was just like

692
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: a prototype that they'd been bouncing around from person to

693
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: person and it just got I just didn't double check

694
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: it for steaks, which I feel like it was my fault,

695
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: but we can blame it on Brad too. That's fun.

696
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: So what's up with it? Single wall? Uh?

697
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: It's yes, it is a It is a single wall.

698
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: You can pitch it with one trekking pole in the

699
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: middle and then the two ends. Guy out. You have

700
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: a vestibule. They do have an insert that's like a

701
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: bug netting insert that you can use. I used it

702
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: with that and it worked well. And yeah, just a

703
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: lightweight one person with the steaks. The outer canopy is

704
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: they call it, and the insert. You're just a tick

705
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: under two pounds with all of that, and you're you're

706
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: fifteen ounces with the steaks and just the canopy only

707
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: on the outside. So she's small. But uh, nice for

708
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 2: running gun type, you know, if you're hiking with camp

709
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: on your back, or if you just want to go

710
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: super light weight, it's a good option.

711
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: Cool. I better call Brad tell him to send me one.

712
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

713
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: I saw that that. Yeah, he's selling them now they're

714
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: out there. All right. Let's move on to uh. We

715
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: got a couple of listener questions we want to hit on.

716
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: The first one comes from BTS Underscore BOUSHEETO. I don't

717
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: know what that means behind the scenes in the bush.

718
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: His question is frame like this inswerts for Honting boots.

719
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: Question mark if yes, which ones, Jordan.

720
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: Well, uh, it kind of depends on the kind of

721
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: depends on the boot. I've found. I usually try to

722
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: tell people to just go to like a try like

723
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: a fairly cheap in soul first, So go to like

724
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: a super feet. Super Feet has They're sold in a

725
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: lot of places. They different models, thirty bucks, forty bucks.

726
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean when you consider like a you know,

727
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: the next step up, like an orthotic.

728
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I know that's yeah. Yeah. I think

729
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: this fella is asking about something you'd buy at a

730
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: hiking you know, ARII type sportsman's warehouse place.

731
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, super feet, I think, yeah, but those are the guides.

732
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: The guides are what I usually try to use if

733
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: if the inserts in the boots themselves aren't quite doing

734
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: it for me.

735
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: It looks like they're ranging from fifty to sixty bucks.

736
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: These days, they've gone up. They have a Marino one

737
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 2: too that I put in my pack boots. It was nice, Yeah,

738
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: it is, it is nice. I've got them, yeah, in

739
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: my pack boots. Now they you could put them in

740
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: any boots. I actually think I moved them to another

741
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: set of shoes now that packs are kind of out

742
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: now that it's like sixty five degrees here, but packboots

743
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: tend to be just a smidge and wide for me,

744
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: and those things like filled up the space and really helped.

745
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 2: But real quick, as we were talking about it before,

746
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: I think we should do a podcast on car camping stuff.

747
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: And so if anybody has any questions, they should send

748
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: them into gear talk at the media dot com and

749
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: we'll try to get that.

750
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: That'd be a good episode, ye just going deep on

751
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: the car camping. Oh yeah, but yeah, send your questions

752
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: to gear talk dot com them that's the best place

753
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: to send them to. You can also DM Jordan and

754
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: I on Instagram, but we appreciate just send an email

755
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: to gear talk at the meat Eater dot com. Yeah,

756
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: I've used I think I've had every color super feet

757
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: out there. Really, it seems like there's a lot of

758
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: options if you look on their website, but the different

759
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: colors for most of the time, they each color represents

760
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: a different arch profile from flatter to medium to hire

761
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: and they want you to go to a store and

762
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: try take them out of the box, put them in

763
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: your boots and see how each one feels. I think

764
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: it can be tricky because everybody thinks, oh, I need

765
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: art support, I need art support. Well, if you've got

766
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: a flat arch, you only need that amount of art

767
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: support if you go buy one of those. I think

768
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: it's the green one that has uh, the most art support.

769
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: I can't wear. Yeah, I can't wear that one because

770
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: I I'm reading the Yeah, an excellent choice for those

771
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: with high arches is the green one. So I think

772
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm usually a blue or a green which has lower arches.

773
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: But it's all the support that I need. But I

774
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: do like the Uh. There's one that's a little bit

775
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: thinner and lighter, which I like mostly because it dries faster.

776
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: And that's the Trailblazer. Comfort looks like there's yeah, there's

777
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: two of them, one's and men's ones and women's and

778
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: it's just thinner overall. So if you get your boots, sweat,

779
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: sweat them out, whatever, there's just less material take. It

780
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: dries out faster.

781
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: Nice.

782
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: If I had to buy one right now, that would

783
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: probably be be the one.

784
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, A little bit of a just a quick follow

785
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: up on this thing too. I've gotten quite a few

786
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 2: questions on the sheep feet. There's a company called sheep

787
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 2: Feet that's marketing to like the outdoor industry hunters. That's

788
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: basically a customer orthotic. They basically send you this like

789
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: a foam type thing and you press your foot into

790
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: the foam and then you send it back to them

791
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: and they make you a customer orthotic. They are expensive,

792
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: and that would personally be one of my maybe last choices.

793
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: If you can't find a super feet that works good

794
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 2: for you, you could go to, you know, a customer

795
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: orthotic like that. I do have them, Yeah, yeah, I

796
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: do have them. It depends on the boots. Like every boot,

797
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: even different models are the same manufacturer. They're all built

798
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: just a little bit different with a little bit you know,

799
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: as we talked with Kendall about in the boots, like

800
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: a little bit different last or a different mid soul

801
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: or whatever it seems to fit. They all fit a

802
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: little bit different. So there's some boots that my arches

803
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: hurt me with those insoles, and there's some that it's

804
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: it fits me a lot better. So I don't know,

805
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: it's all just like a trial and air thing.

806
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: Man. Oh that's as it is with a lot of

807
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: this gear stuff. Yeah, all right, what else we got

808
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: for questions?

809
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: We have what is your choice for backcountry cooking, stove

810
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: in any utensils or cook where you like just underscore rhino.

811
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know how people come up with.

812
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 2: These uh underscore w I don't know with.

813
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: Their Instagram handles, but uh, anyways, all good. Whatever you

814
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: want to call yourself on Instagram, it's fine with me.

815
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: I recommend you get off Instagram and go outside. Yeah

816
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: for everybody, Even though I know you guys all look

817
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: at Instagram a lot, watch my instagt I'd be happier

818
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: if I knew that you weren't looking at my Instagram.

819
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: Instead you're outside chasing a turkey or something. Man, He

820
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: asked specifically about backcountry right now, I've got two main

821
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: systems that I use, and it depends on if it's uh,

822
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: just me or I guess I mean one other person,

823
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: or if it's if it's two or more both systems

824
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: from MSR, I really don't feel like they even have

825
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: a Maybe I'm just not in the loop enough, but

826
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: I feel like they don't have a real competitor in

827
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: the backpack and stove space. But I need to look

828
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: into that. My two right now, if I'm going solo,

829
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: it's the pocket rocket. It might even be the pocket

830
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: rock de Lux, which I think maybe is that the

831
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: one that just has this. It has a clicker, right,

832
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: it has a lighter and built into it igniter. Yes, yeah,

833
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: it's that. So you have that, and then you have

834
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: a canister with you, and then I have a single

835
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: titanium pot slash cup. Okay, and again this is bare minimum.

836
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: I want to be ultra lightweight hunting with my pack on.

837
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: That cup is going to be used to do everything

838
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: from mostly warming up water, but I'm also just gonna

839
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: drink out of it. The one major drawback from having

840
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: those just a titanium potter cup is that they can

841
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: be extremely hot to your lips when the liquid or

842
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: whatever you got inside there is warm. And then that

843
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: because it's it's such a conductor that it can also

844
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: lead to it cools off your food and your drinks

845
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: very quickly. But again, I'm not usually out there to

846
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: sit there and sip coffee for thirty minutes. I mean,

847
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: you know, not being a caffeinated coffee drinker anymore. A

848
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: lot of times I just skip it and whatever water

849
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: I've left over from making breakfast, whatever it is, I

850
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: just drink the warm water. Easy clean up and just

851
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: put it all away and I'm on my way. I

852
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: don't have to sit there and you know, warm something up.

853
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: But that's my one to two persons set up. And

854
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: then if I go and I think that the pot

855
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: is from peak peak titanium, I believe. And then if

856
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: I go more, I have the bigger size MSR reactor

857
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: and it is a little bit heavier, but I can

858
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: heat up more water at one time. It's more efficient

859
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: because of the way that that the burner is basically attached.

860
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: It just funnels the heat directly to the pot much better.

861
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: And I'll run that so it's a little it's just

862
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: slightly I mean, I don't know, quarter pound, four ounces

863
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: or something like that heavier, but I'll use it the

864
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: same way really well, I don't know. Sometimes I'll have

865
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: a I just I have a I don't know, RII

866
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: molded plastic cup that I guess. If I'm in a

867
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: group situation, we're all going to have a hot drink,

868
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: tea or whatever, then instead of using the pot to

869
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: do that, I'll have my own cup with mem Yeah,

870
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: MSR titanium long handled spoon. It would be the only

871
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: utensil I'm usually packing and that's going to round it out.

872
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: And so whatever food I'm eating, I can I can

873
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: eat between my pocket knife, that and that spoon and

874
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 1: one pot slash cup to heat up water.

875
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: Here's any difference, man, pretty close. I've got that the

876
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: same one MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe and atokes five to

877
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: fifty milliter titanium cup. It is things that total set

878
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: up is like six ounces. It's pretty pretty light, which

879
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 2: is nice. And then I've got the same the the reactor.

880
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: That thing is just so clutch for like melting snow

881
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: if you have to do that, and then boiling water

882
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: super fast. Another one that I have been using a

883
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 2: bit just because Leah owned it, the jet Boil Mini Mo.

884
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: That's I've been really happy with that thing, like super

885
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: happy with it. I had the jet Boil Flash for

886
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: a while and it just it is like their cheapest one,

887
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: and I just had troubles with the It's not it's

888
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: doesn't have a regulator, but the like where you turn

889
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: your fuel on and off that little knob. It just

890
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: seemed like I would just have some real troubles. It

891
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: would just spit and spotter and I couldn't get consistent

892
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: fuel flow. Through it. So I don't know if it

893
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 2: was gumming up or what, but that Mini mo does

894
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 2: have a regulator on it simmers really well, and I've

895
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: been really happy with that. So that's been a good option.

896
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 2: Pretty much same with you on utensils. Just so long

897
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 2: handled spoon is basically all that I'm using. Uh, one

898
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 2: little thing I do. I did start taking like from

899
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 2: ARII or really wherever you can get a little uh,

900
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: salt and pepper shaker thing you put salt and pepper

901
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: in the same or just whatever seasonings you want. Just

902
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 2: take a little seasoning packet with you. Man, A little

903
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 2: bit of like seasoning in a mountain house or something

904
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: is so nice after the you know third day. Oh yeah, dude,

905
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 2: salt and pepper. I mean, I know a mountain house

906
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: it has a lot of sodium and salt in it. Whatever.

907
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: But I'll take even like a any kind of a seasoning,

908
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: like a smoking, savory seasoning or whatever. Yeah, toss a

909
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: little bit of that in a mountain house. It just

910
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: gives it I don't know freshness is the correct term,

911
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: but it gives it a little kick. That's like nice.

912
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: I could see, I could I could see how you

913
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: could call it freshness. Just ivens it up a little.

914
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: Bit, livens it up. Yeah, yeah, I like it.

915
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: What else we got here, We've.

916
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: Got one super applicable to what's going on right now.

917
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 2: What do you use for tick protection from SMIT twenty one?

918
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: That one's easy. I just buy the Sawyer promethrone product,

919
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: and I usually buy the spray on version. Uh, spray

920
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: it on the couple pairs of pants all wear during

921
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: Turkey season, and uh, the couple shirts, maybe more shirts,

922
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: and then uh, it's it's good for I forget. They

923
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: say a lot of washes, so it's not like you

924
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: don't have to reapply, and it seems it seems to work.

925
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: Dang good. I'll bring a squirt bottle with me, Uh

926
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: when we go, say to different parts of Montana where

927
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: the ticks are bad, and uh, spray down my boots.

928
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: Maybe another time or two during the hunt. But it's

929
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: probably unnecessary. They really say, you want you to spray

930
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: it down and let the stuff just sit I think

931
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: for four or six hours, let it dry before you

932
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: start wearing it. But yeah, that stuff works great.

933
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much the same. Uh, we don't have a

934
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: ton of ticks here. It seems like this is a

935
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: high tick year for us so far, but we don't

936
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: have just like, I've never experienced a time where I've

937
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: sat down and just had you know, you'll hear people

938
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: talk about hundreds of them crawling up their legs. Ye,

939
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: that would freaking freak me out. But we don't have

940
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: quite that here. But yeah, but basically the same thing,

941
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: just that promethine and spray it down on your outerwear

942
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: and roll out.

943
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: Yep. Exactly. Uh, well, let's see here stocks a lot.

944
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: I'll hunting with his kids. I'm hoping to get my

945
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: three year old out to tag along on a turkey

946
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: hunt and a whitetail hunt this year. Just wondering how

947
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: you manage hearing protection with kids. You have them wear

948
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: them for the whole hunt. I don't know why we

949
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: didn't see a name behind that question, but yes, great question,

950
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: and basically I would just bring along hearing protection. You

951
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: can do full muffs, obviously those work the best, but

952
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: I found that the Howard light I believe that's how

953
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: you pronounce it E L E I g h T.

954
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: They make an orange band that has the replaceable orange

955
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: little foam pieces for your ears, and I've had a

956
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: couple of these bands. I'm not kidding coming on twenty

957
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: years because I had one from way back in the

958
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: day when I was guiding and I would just leave

959
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: the cabin or the tent in the morning and throw

960
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: those suckers on my neck and when you get into

961
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: the heat of the moment, they're right there and just

962
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, pop them in quick and easy and again

963
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 1: the it's gonna be plenty to get the job done

964
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: for that one shot at a deer or the one

965
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: turkey shot. And at least they have them around their neck.

966
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: They're not too cumbersome. I've had them. I've packed around muffs.

967
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: My kids have also packed them around. Those seem to

968
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: be uh just a little bit harder, just because they're

969
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: bigger and bulkier. But that's uh yeah, that's how I've

970
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: dealt with it, and it's it seems to have worked

971
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: real well. Nice.

972
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: When is that waterproof puffy jacket coming out that you

973
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: mentioned on the bear podcast? Keep your ears open, our

974
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: eyes open, I guess, and just like the next couple

975
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: of weeks.

976
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: Actually, I think from when when this thing drops, it'll

977
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: be out.

978
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: Oh it'll already be out. Yeah, good point.

979
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: Uh, Yeah, it's called the uncle pahgre foundry jacket. Yep.

980
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: Basically took an uncle pagreay jacket and melted a rain

981
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: jacket over the top of it.

982
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: So careful, be careful with that word. People are gonna

983
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: get freaked out. Yeah, but it is uh attached the

984
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: the insulation is attached to the outer uh durable face fabric.

985
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: It's a very very durable jacket. That's probably the number

986
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: one stand out uh characteristic of this jacket. You'll see

987
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: that this sucker is made to bust brush the same

988
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: way that you can go through any kind of brush

989
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: you want with the omen rainshell. This uncle pare foundry

990
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: is going to be the same deal. But it's basically

991
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: got the same insulation as an uncle pahre on the inside.

992
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: So that means one hundred grams in the chest torso

993
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: area and then sixty grams in the arms. But just

994
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: like like Jordan was saying, a waterproof, wind proof shell

995
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: on the outside. That's just super super tough.

996
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeap, in my opinion.

997
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: In the yeah, my opinion, not really a jacket to

998
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: hike in, But it's a jacket that if you know

999
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be blowing and nasty. And when I say hike,

1000
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking, okay, we'll get out. We're at the trailhead.

1001
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: We're going up three miles in the dark. You know,

1002
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: before we start hunting, like, it's not gonna be for that.

1003
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: But once you get up there and you know it's

1004
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: gonna be a cold, snowy, windy day, you put that

1005
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: over on your you know, one bass layer, a bass

1006
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: layer in a mid layer, and you have that on,

1007
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the insulation and the wind proofness for

1008
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: a nice comfy day in the mountains. So yeah, if

1009
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: you're looking for something tough, durable, that's gonna be a

1010
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: a pretty sweet little piece. Anything you want to add about.

1011
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, no, no, it's just it's great for late season,

1012
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: you're talking high winds, some inclement weather. Great outerwear piece.

1013
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: But you can still pack it, which is kind of nice.

1014
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's not going to pack down as small

1015
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: as like a down jacket or anything, but it's still

1016
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 2: like you can shove in your pack no problem.

1017
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like having two jackets in one. So

1018
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna not be quite as heavy as a rain

1019
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: jacket and a puffy jacket, but definitely heavier than just

1020
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: one or the other.

1021
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love it. I actually I got the

1022
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: first rendition of it two years ago and so I've

1023
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 2: been wearing. I probably have sixty days in it over

1024
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: a couple of years, especially using like using it late

1025
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: season Nebraska December. It's like open on the planes. It's

1026
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: always windy and cold, and it's a fantastic jacket for that.

1027
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm excited to get into some people's hands.

1028
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: Okay, last, but not least, how do you handle leather

1029
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: boots in the moisture. I'm from the East, but my

1030
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: friend that I hike with Shun's leather boots because he

1031
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: had bad expiry, had I guess a bad experience with

1032
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: them getting wet. I'm new to backpacking, but I've hunting

1033
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: leather boots for years, just never for multiple days on

1034
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: a backpacking trip. Is that just preference or just the

1035
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: individual gear? Well?

1036
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: H I feel like that's uh, some of its preference.

1037
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like a lot of its preference.

1038
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 2: I think the biggest issue with leather boots getting them

1039
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: wet is if you dry him too fast, they'll shrink.

1040
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: They can drink mm hmm, and they take a while

1041
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: to dry if you get him wet. So for me,

1042
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: you definitely just want to have well taken care of

1043
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: leather boots. I've never on a backpack and hunt packed

1044
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: along extra nick wax, but I've certainly had it in

1045
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: my duffel in a base camp scenario and a couple

1046
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: three days into the week. It all depends on the conditions.

1047
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: If every morning you've got that tall, dew covered wet grass,

1048
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: even if it hasn't rained, but that's when you're out

1049
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: there hunting, because you're out there in an hour or

1050
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: two before daylight, right at daylight, and a couple hours after.

1051
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean some of these high country meadows in Colorado,

1052
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean it can be mid thigh grasses, I mean everything.

1053
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: You might as well be wearing rain pants. It's gonna

1054
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: get wet. Right if you've got leather boots, your nick

1055
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: wax is gonna get worn off on the outside walking

1056
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: through that stuff and they could get wet. So coming

1057
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: in with some well, I say oil, but well waterproofed

1058
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: boots would be my number one recommendation. And you know,

1059
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: in Colorado, usually even after a wet, dewey morning like that,

1060
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: come at ten am, the place dries out right. So

1061
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: if you're taking your midday nap, put your boots out

1062
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: in you know, breezy spot, a little bit of warm

1063
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: sun on them, they should dry right out. If you

1064
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: come into that haunt with boots that aren't well taken

1065
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: care of and your leather is dried out, well, guess

1066
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: what the first hike you do in some wet, dew

1067
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: covered grass, You're gonna have feet slashing. Literally, I'm not joking,

1068
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: slashing feet. You're gonna feel like you walk through a

1069
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: creek even though you didn't. That leather is just gonna

1070
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: suck in that moisture and that's all on you because

1071
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: you just didn't take care of your boots. So I

1072
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: don't know. I think the nice thing about leather is

1073
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: it becomes breaks in, it becomes soft and malleable. It

1074
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: becomes a little bit more form fitted to your foot

1075
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: more than say the synthetics do. So I feel like

1076
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: you get a more comfortable boot, right. But yes, it's

1077
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: a thing that you have to think about to keep

1078
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: them waterproofed, keep the moisture off of them. If you

1079
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: can hear chirping in the background, I'm sitting next to

1080
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: oh one of them's out. That's why he's pissed and

1081
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: he's chirping a bunch because he flew out. We have

1082
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: I don't even know how many you're in this thing.

1083
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: There's probably ten five or I don't know, ten day

1084
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: old chicks right next to me. Let me put the

1085
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: sucker back in here, all right? Sorry, back to hunting

1086
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: and leather boots. So man, I've done both. I will

1087
01:04:55,120 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: say that the synthetics like I have those what's that

1088
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: the handwalk makra, No leather there, all synthetic, very quick

1089
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: drying boot. Been very happy with that boot. I just

1090
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: wore it over the weekend doing some turkey hunting, and

1091
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: I did notice that after that boot's been sitting since

1092
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: last fall, little stiff right, Just a different feel than

1093
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: the leather. I still love it. I think it's a

1094
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: great boot, but different field than the letter leather. But

1095
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: like I said, gets wet. It's gonna dry super fast,

1096
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're gonna have to make up your own

1097
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: decision on that. But even that boot, even though it's synthetic,

1098
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: it's if you if I walked through dew covered grass

1099
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: for two hours, it's gonna get wet too.

1100
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's tough. But one thing on leather

1101
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 2: boots too, not just stray too far from the question,

1102
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: but over synthetic, it just seems like leather just more durable,

1103
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: like more naturally just durable. So like you should think

1104
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: about that too when you go on hunts. I've talked

1105
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 2: about it before. I took parasynthetic boots to Alaska and

1106
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: a sheep hunt and was just in rocks all the

1107
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 2: time and just really shredded the sides of them down

1108
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: here in the lower forty eight. If you were in

1109
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 2: rocks slides and shale and stuff all the time, like

1110
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: the same thing would probably happen, but just trying to

1111
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 2: match those conditions down here. I use those boots all

1112
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 2: like winter, slash spring and all summer scouting and stuff,

1113
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 2: and I never had any issues with the most super

1114
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 2: confident going into that trip with them, but they just

1115
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: got tore up, and like a leather boot just wouldn't

1116
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: have done that too. So that straight away a little

1117
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: bit from the water proofing question or moisture question, but

1118
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 2: something to consider too when you're when you're looking at

1119
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 2: a boot. But I really like my I really like

1120
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: my other boots, especially like snow hits ground.

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01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: Yep. Cool. Well, thanks for listening to another episode of

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01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: the gear Talk podcast. As always, and we were saying earlier,

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01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: think about it. We've gotta We're gonna do an upcoming

1124
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: car camping episodes and if you have any questions regarding that,

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01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: send it to gear Talk at the mediator dot com

1126
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,080
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1127
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: your friends how much you're learning listening to gear Talk podcast.

1128
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: Tell them to listen to if you have a minute,

1129
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: we'd appreciate it. If you went onto iTunes, found gear

1130
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: Talk there gave us a review hit the farthest most

1131
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: right star. That's only if you think it's a five

1132
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: star podcast. If you think it's only three and a half,

1133
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: you can do that one too. But yeah, do that.

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01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram, Jordan bod or Joannis.

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01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: But tell us what else? That's it? You got anything else?

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01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,439
Speaker 2: Stage, Jordan, No, man, I don't. I'm gonna go pick

1137
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 2: up some turkey owners.

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01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: Oh nice, Well, good luck to you and your turkey hunters.

1139
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: You listeners, get off the Instagram, stop listening to this podcast,

1140
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: go out and get outside and go hunting. Thanks