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Speaker 1: is kind of an important one. It's a little out there,
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Speaker 1: I'm fine, I'm good. Let's do it. Well, we're talking
Speaker 1: today about a certain set of experiments carried out by
Speaker 1: a certain government agency is known as the CIA. Yes,
Speaker 1: and they, uh, they carried out an experiment with another
Speaker 1: three letter word LSD right on unsuspecting Americans. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think most people, uh would not expect to hear those
Speaker 1: six letters together in the same sentence. And this is
Speaker 1: not widely known, so no, it really isn't, and frankly
Speaker 1: it should be. And I think it's kind of one
Speaker 1: of those things that uh supports just about every American's
Speaker 1: notion of what the CIA is up to at any
Speaker 1: given time. And yet it's just so out there, so
Speaker 1: fantastic that they actually did this that it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to believe. But this is documented. This actually happened.
Speaker 1: It didn't. Okay, do you want to give a little
Speaker 1: background first? Uh, well, um, how about you tell us
Speaker 1: how we know that this stuff happened. Well, because it's
Speaker 1: on record. It's actually factually on record. Um. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: are a couple of congressional hearings on it exactly. And
Speaker 1: this is what amazes me is this happened in the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, which is even less likely because you think
Speaker 1: about LSD acid as they call it as the kids
Speaker 1: call it, You think about the nineteen seventies and or
Speaker 1: l sixties and wood stock, But it was actually in
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties when it was first being experimented with.
Speaker 1: And we're talking the early fifties to um. Apparently we
Speaker 1: were really you know, full on into the Cold War,
Speaker 1: and um, we believed everything we heard about the Russians.
Speaker 1: We apparently the c I A Uh found out that
Speaker 1: the Russians were involved in some sort of truth serum
Speaker 1: mind constroced mind Controlmenturian candidate experiments, right. Uh. And they
Speaker 1: found out that the Swiss pharmaceutical company that will ring
Speaker 1: a bell of um the people who've taken acid and
Speaker 1: listen to our podcast Sandoz Pharmaceuticals. Um. They had this
Speaker 1: stuff that was first created by a Swiss chemist named
Speaker 1: Albert Hoffman. It was LSD and uh. They apparently had
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand hits one million, hundred million hits a
Speaker 1: bowl to anyone who wanted to buy it was on
Speaker 1: the open market. They were legitimate pharmaceutical company. And this
Speaker 1: is back when as a lot of people don't know,
Speaker 1: LSD was an actual legitimate pharmaceutical. It was also often
Speaker 1: used later on for um therapy. Did you know that? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: in in the States, Carrie Grant was huge, huge in
Speaker 1: the acid I kid you not my friend. He he
Speaker 1: took many a trip and he actually I can't remember
Speaker 1: who he's married to. It may have been me, a
Speaker 1: pharaoh or somebody. He he essentially chased her off by
Speaker 1: being so insistent about his wife undergoing acid therapy LSD
Speaker 1: therapy that she was like, you're a freak. I could
Speaker 1: see that. Yeah, So okay, so we're let's get back
Speaker 1: to the sand. Does thing forget carry grant? Yeah, they've
Speaker 1: got a hundred million hits of acid on the market,
Speaker 1: which I mean really, the c I heard this and
Speaker 1: they're thinking, okay, a hundred million hits. They could take
Speaker 1: out New York l A. The Russians could get this
Speaker 1: into the water supply, and all of a sudden, we
Speaker 1: have a population that's not listening to us anymore. Right,
Speaker 1: I guess they were. They wanted to create some sort
Speaker 1: of chaos or mass hysteria or something like that, or
Speaker 1: at worst, like the Manchurian candidate program, unwitting assassins who
Speaker 1: you know, carried out these murders and had no recollection
Speaker 1: of doing it or being programmed. So they're like these
Speaker 1: perfect assassins. Right. They kind of suspected that LSD might
Speaker 1: help with that kind of thing. So uh, when the
Speaker 1: CIA hears that these these hits are on the market,
Speaker 1: they scrambled to buy them. That's what it turns out.
Speaker 1: There is only Yeah, how much think in the US,
Speaker 1: good old U S government said we'll take all of them.
Speaker 1: So they bought forty hits of LSD acid in hand.
Speaker 1: They start carrying out their own horrific experiments. They went camping. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, all right. They built campfires, they went
Speaker 1: they that's how a burning man actually started. UM. So
Speaker 1: they they they they have all this acid and they say, well, okay,
Speaker 1: we have to figure out how to make our own
Speaker 1: Manchurian candidates and figure out how to use this as
Speaker 1: a truth thereom ourselves. It just so happened that this
Speaker 1: this acid was purchased at a time that the CIA
Speaker 1: launched this UM project called MK Ultra. And this project
Speaker 1: was huge. Actually doesn't stand for anything. No I I
Speaker 1: never found it either. It doesn't stand There were some
Speaker 1: other projects like MK projects that did stand for things,
Speaker 1: but Ultra it didn't stand for anything, which is unusual. UM.
Speaker 1: So they carry out MK Ultra, which is a hundred
Speaker 1: and forty nine subprojects, and it's this vast range of
Speaker 1: basically figure out how to get into people's minds um
Speaker 1: or kill them like one apparently they had magicians come
Speaker 1: in and t CIA operatives. How do you slide of
Speaker 1: hand and poison people's drinks. Yeah, I can. I can
Speaker 1: virtually guarantee you a lot of magicians were shot in
Speaker 1: the back of the head after they gave that class.
Speaker 1: That was during the big magic freeze of the Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would account for it. That was one subproject. Another
Speaker 1: was UM using electro convulsive therapy to get people to tall,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure was a lot of fun but it
Speaker 1: worked too. Yeah, there was radiation treatments. They wanted to
Speaker 1: see how much radiation people who could be exposed to UM.
Speaker 1: And this is actually one of the more horrific aspects
Speaker 1: of it. There there's a video on YouTube if you,
Speaker 1: I think type in something like a MK ultra testimony
Speaker 1: or radiation testimony. There is a woman who's testifying at
Speaker 1: a hearing I think it's one of the nineteen seventies
Speaker 1: hearings UM, and she's talking about how she I think
Speaker 1: she was an orphan and she and everybody else in
Speaker 1: the orphanage were made to be test subjects by the
Speaker 1: by the c I A not on LSD, but like
Speaker 1: radiation and all that, and it's just clearly broken. She's
Speaker 1: a broken person. Now she's much older by this time,
Speaker 1: and it's just crazy to see somebody who actually was
Speaker 1: experimented on. She's an American who has all these rights
Speaker 1: and just got thrown out the window. Well yeah, and
Speaker 1: I know that they experimented on prisoners a lot too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: specifically black prisoners. So here's where we get into some
Speaker 1: of the shadier LSD experiments. That's one of them. They
Speaker 1: go into a black prison and basically against the inmates,
Speaker 1: will as far as I know, uh, test LSD on them. Now,
Speaker 1: imagine taking LSD in prison, right, I can't think of
Speaker 1: anything worse than that, combo. Uh. And and these were,
Speaker 1: like I said, this was an all black prison, um,
Speaker 1: and it was just bad. That's just a bad experiment.
Speaker 1: Another one was they they lured heroin uh junkies. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love this one too because and how did they
Speaker 1: lure them? They paid them in heroin. The CIA paid
Speaker 1: these people in heroin. And this is again documented fact. Uh.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of other experiments going on. And
Speaker 1: actually the stuff was so rampant, as you know, Chuck,
Speaker 1: that the CIA actually developed an acid culture for a
Speaker 1: while and within their own Uh yeah, they used to
Speaker 1: dose one another at parties. Um. They used to take
Speaker 1: it themselves recreationally, like get any been like LSD conference
Speaker 1: retreat something like that. The people were probably running around
Speaker 1: on acid, I know, you know, reading your article, it
Speaker 1: seemed almost unreal. Yeah, clearly, and it sounded like the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties and the CIA. It was almost like a prank, like,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, agent nine, let's just go drop some
Speaker 1: acid in agent drink there. That's almost precisely what happened.
Speaker 1: And there'd be like a group who dosed somebody and
Speaker 1: then everybody would be watching them and like a half
Speaker 1: hour later that the joke will beyond him. He'd spend
Speaker 1: the next you know, eight to twelve hours just or whatever. Yeah. U. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: the CIA was well versed in the in how it
Speaker 1: felt to take acid, But the CIA operative isn't the
Speaker 1: average American, So they wanted to experiment on a normal people,
Speaker 1: and I'd say normal kind of unwillingly because they did
Speaker 1: have a certain criteria of who could be targeted for it.
Speaker 1: So they went to kind of the semi under belly
Speaker 1: of cities and they found like hookers and junkies and
Speaker 1: uh who else, Um, well, the guy the pornographers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the guy who found these folks posts a pimp? Is
Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? An alternate personality. Let's talk about these people.
Speaker 1: All right. There's this guy, all right, his name is
Speaker 1: Dr Sidney Gottlie. This guy has a club foot. He
Speaker 1: overcame an almost debilitating stutter, and he went on to
Speaker 1: become the chief of the Technical division for the CIA. Now,
Speaker 1: this guy's greatest hits among you know, carrying out the
Speaker 1: LSD experiments, was developing agent orange, another drug that he
Speaker 1: had tested by the people who were conducting the CIA
Speaker 1: or the LSD tests UM eventually gave way to erectile
Speaker 1: this function drugs Um. He did a lot of crazy
Speaker 1: stuff and some less uh less solid evidence can puts
Speaker 1: him in Africa at the time that Ebola broke out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. Maybe not a coincidence there, Yeah, No, is
Speaker 1: he a medical doctor? Was he? He was? He was?
Speaker 1: He was a medical doctor. He was probably from what
Speaker 1: I understand him, he probably had several doctorates to different degrees,
Speaker 1: and I think he was also Now he may have
Speaker 1: been a chemist actually now I think about it, but
Speaker 1: I think he did have a medical training as well. Uh.
Speaker 1: That's that's the guy who's running the head of this
Speaker 1: he's the head of this experiment. UM right right below him,
Speaker 1: is one of the most legendary characters you will ever
Speaker 1: hear about in your life. George Hunter White. They need
Speaker 1: to make a biopic film about this guy. I can't
Speaker 1: believe they haven't already. Um. He originally White originally started out. Um.
Speaker 1: He really first made a name for himself by posing
Speaker 1: as a heroin trafficker um for the better part of
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties and busting up this Chinese opium ring.
Speaker 1: And he took down hundreds of people. But to get there,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I'm sure he had to smoke opium
Speaker 1: quite frequently. Um, And he basically infiltrated this. He took
Speaker 1: a blood oath with this Chinese gang he was in,
Speaker 1: and he eventually took him down. Uh. So that's how
Speaker 1: he made a name for himself. Uh. But he he
Speaker 1: didn't really, I hate to use this cliche. He didn't
Speaker 1: play by the rules. Not only did he not play
Speaker 1: by the rules, the guys totally amoral. He was a
Speaker 1: completely amoral, a bit of a rogue agent. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think he just kind of went whichever way, his his
Speaker 1: um his all whichever way pretty much. Yeah, because he
Speaker 1: was definitely one of the ones who took the acid right. Um,
Speaker 1: so it all starts with him. Like the most that
Speaker 1: we know about the LSD experiments, they go back to
Speaker 1: George Hunter White. So White gets tapped by Gottlieb to
Speaker 1: carry out these experience experiments, and it all starts in
Speaker 1: New York. He didn't have a safe house or anything
Speaker 1: like this. This guy was doing these experiments on his
Speaker 1: friends at first in his apartment in New York, basically
Speaker 1: having acid parties without telling them that they were going
Speaker 1: to be taking acid. And actually you could argue that
Speaker 1: George Hunter White held the first acid parties in the
Speaker 1: history of the earth. Um. This guy was really he'd
Speaker 1: make up batches of Martinis um and serve them to
Speaker 1: his guests. And of course the picture of Martini was
Speaker 1: spiked to god knows how much LSD well. That's one
Speaker 1: of the things who I was wondering is at the
Speaker 1: time they were just starting to experiment, so they didn't
Speaker 1: even know what was a full dose, what what it
Speaker 1: would do. I mean, this is how they found out. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: and and he had a he had a terminology for, um,
Speaker 1: what happened if you had a bad trip. He called
Speaker 1: it the horrors. One of the reasons we know so
Speaker 1: much about this is because George White kept a diary
Speaker 1: of notes um that for his experiments, at least to
Speaker 1: maintain some semblance of experimentation. He took notes on it. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so he'd serve his guests martinis, right, and
Speaker 1: then just sit back and take notes. After it started
Speaker 1: kicking in. There was a whole subgroup of close friends
Speaker 1: of his that were actually in a certainly recruited and
Speaker 1: they would bring their friends and he actually had this
Speaker 1: kind of um swinger social group um and swinger by
Speaker 1: every definition of the word. White apparently was into Spike
Speaker 1: Hilled boots. He'd do anything for a woman in Spike
Speaker 1: Hill Boots. Um. Who know, right. His friends were just
Speaker 1: imagine like the the fifties shade ball porno swinger groups.
Speaker 1: And this is what White was at the center, except
Speaker 1: he was, unbeknownst to all of his friends, a CIA
Speaker 1: operative experimenting on lst need to be a film in
Speaker 1: the works. I would go that would Uh, So he's
Speaker 1: carrying out experiments and again there was a certain subgroup
Speaker 1: of friends who loved it. They years later, um, in
Speaker 1: the nineties, a lot of this this information came out
Speaker 1: and it just fell to the wayside for reasons I
Speaker 1: can't understand, um, but there a lot of them were like,
Speaker 1: we loved acid. George loved acid, Like we just took
Speaker 1: acid all time. Some people didn't like acid. Though exactly
Speaker 1: can go one of two ways generally when it comes
Speaker 1: to yeah, there's not really a middle ground of a
Speaker 1: think now. Um, So there's this one woman in particular
Speaker 1: named Barbara Newsome. I felt terrible and she was like
Speaker 1: a young mother, and um, she was married, and her
Speaker 1: husband was actually kind of this, um, kind of a
Speaker 1: cad from what I understand, Um, he was part of
Speaker 1: White's little swinger group, but I also got the impression
Speaker 1: that was kind of peripheral. Wanted to be in further,
Speaker 1: but they just didn't think too highly of him. But
Speaker 1: White thought his wife was pretty hot. So he waits
Speaker 1: till her husband's out of town and invites her over.
Speaker 1: And Barbara Newsome was not really hip to what was
Speaker 1: going on. She had a young kid, She had a
Speaker 1: twenty month old baby that she brought to the party,
Speaker 1: so she clearly did not know what was gonna totally
Speaker 1: unaware of what was going on. So White, um doses
Speaker 1: here anyway, right, and the part of The problem was
Speaker 1: white quickly got bored, especially if you were on a
Speaker 1: bad trip. He had no there was no padded room
Speaker 1: that he took you to, or he didn't hand you
Speaker 1: like a hash pipe or anything like that. You were
Speaker 1: on your own. He wanted you out of his hair,
Speaker 1: and that was that. So it was a big bummer
Speaker 1: for him, I guess exactly. At the very least, it
Speaker 1: made him irritable. So he'd turned you out on the street,
Speaker 1: just tripping your head off, and um that that's that's
Speaker 1: what became a Barbara Knewsome. She was turned out on
Speaker 1: the street. She had a bad trip, and she went home.
Speaker 1: She never told anybody about it. Um. Her husband later
Speaker 1: pieces together. They eventually divorced, but he didn't even know
Speaker 1: what happened to her. No, I don't think she had
Speaker 1: a clue what happened to her. She she became depressed,
Speaker 1: her marriage fell apart. She ended up being committed on
Speaker 1: and off for the next twenty years. Um. And also
Speaker 1: again from from the research I did, she was probably
Speaker 1: a little more fragile than the average person, and it
Speaker 1: made something else could have happened to her in her
Speaker 1: life that that put her through this. The fact is
Speaker 1: this woman was experimented on. It's documented facts. She she
Speaker 1: was one of White's test subjects and her life fell apart, right, Sure,
Speaker 1: she kind of represents the bad side of these experiments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say that's definitely the bad side. And one
Speaker 1: person died, isn't that correct? Yeah? Dr Frank Olsen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: his son really has taken up the charge of trying
Speaker 1: to get the truth exposed. His father is definitely documented
Speaker 1: as having been tested on at one of those parties.
Speaker 1: And now imagine like his father was an army scientists,
Speaker 1: a research scientists whose specialty was in delivering poisons through aerosols.
Speaker 1: He was a lab orate. He probably, I imagine if
Speaker 1: social skills weren't as quite refined as maybe whites or
Speaker 1: anybody else's. Uh, he goes to this party and um,
Speaker 1: they they give him a shot of dost quantroux and
Speaker 1: he does not handle it well. Now and this is
Speaker 1: it Thanksgiving to He's around things. These guys clearly had
Speaker 1: no qualms about. You know this one lady had a baby.
Speaker 1: This guy so the holidays and he skipped Thanksgiving with
Speaker 1: his family because he was so freaked out. Hey, they
Speaker 1: actually contacted the closest CIA approved doctor who was I
Speaker 1: think a pediatrist or something like that, and but he
Speaker 1: was the closest physician. I think the guy was in Virginia,
Speaker 1: which is close by to where this this c I
Speaker 1: A army conference took place. And so Dr Olsen's just
Speaker 1: freaking out and he's doing it very loudly. I think
Speaker 1: he kind of took everybody off guard with his reaction
Speaker 1: to the l s T. They bring this doctor, and
Speaker 1: the doctors like, this guy needs some serious care and
Speaker 1: basically we need to kidnap him. And he has corns
Speaker 1: on his feet. Write a boots is always notices those things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, how it's his training. So um, they basically
Speaker 1: sequester this guy. They call his family and say, your
Speaker 1: husband isn't going to be home for Thanksgiving. He can't
Speaker 1: make it. Basically, don't ask any questions or any Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: As it turns out, right, eight days after his bad trip,
Speaker 1: he goes out the tenth story window of a hotel
Speaker 1: in New York and um, it was apparently suicide. That's
Speaker 1: how it was ruled. But years later, I think in
Speaker 1: or four, his son who actually started a website, the
Speaker 1: Frank Olsen Project, very interesting stuff. He um he had
Speaker 1: his father's body exhumed and there was evidence of pre
Speaker 1: mortem blunt forest trauma to the head, which kind of suggests,
Speaker 1: you know, this guy was probably murdered. And a couple
Speaker 1: of years after the body was exhumed, Mike Feldman, who
Speaker 1: posed as the pimp, will get to him in a second.
Speaker 1: In an interview with Spin magazine, he said, you know,
Speaker 1: George Hunter White was doing the asset tests in New
Speaker 1: York at the time. This guy went out of the
Speaker 1: hotel window in New York. So you know, you don't
Speaker 1: have to put you put two and two together. No
Speaker 1: one ever has definitively, but you know, it kind of
Speaker 1: seems like the kind of guy White was, he didn't
Speaker 1: seem to have qualms about stuff like, so, okay, New
Speaker 1: York's over, Yeah, this is this is where it gets good.
Speaker 1: And it was sort of predictable when you look back.
Speaker 1: But they moved the operation to an actually a funded
Speaker 1: place in San Francisco of the the apartment called the Path,
Speaker 1: that's literally it was called the Pad. And basically I
Speaker 1: get the impression that White left his swinging social scene
Speaker 1: and his wife behind in New York and he goes
Speaker 1: and takes the show on the road by himself in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. And at first, UM, let me describe the
Speaker 1: pad real quick. It's this little apartment with the kind
Speaker 1: of bohemian art on the walls and yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was probably pretty close. Um. One of the
Speaker 1: one of the main features is a two way mirror
Speaker 1: with a little hollowed out room behind it. Um, and
Speaker 1: that looked out onto the main living room. Okay, So
Speaker 1: basically White used to take a bunch of acid and
Speaker 1: he would pose as either a merchant, seaman or like
Speaker 1: some sort of starving artists, and he'd go into San
Speaker 1: Francisco and basically find the prostitutes and the john's and um,
Speaker 1: the drug dealers, and he'd round them up and bring
Speaker 1: them back to his place and just dose him with acids.
Speaker 1: And they didn't feel bad because they consider these people
Speaker 1: just the dregs of society. They figured they are degenerates anyway.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think that there's probably a pretty
Speaker 1: wide threshold of you know, who was fair game and
Speaker 1: he wasn't. Like I'm sure if you were caught with
Speaker 1: a Nudi mag under your mattress and you were married,
Speaker 1: they would have considered you fair game degenerator. Here's some
Speaker 1: and here's some acid. Yeah all right, So, um, at first,
Speaker 1: White surrounding all these people up right, and he's basically
Speaker 1: just partying with him in San Francisco on acids. Right.
Speaker 1: Eventually he recruits Ike Feldman, that guy that we mentioned
Speaker 1: who did that Sin magazine interview. And Ike Feldman is
Speaker 1: just a badass. He is a tough, grit old old
Speaker 1: the fringe of the law cop right. He does whatever.
Speaker 1: He's like the model for Vic Mackie from the Shield.
Speaker 1: Whatever has to be done to get the job done. Whatever,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how many times you break the law,
Speaker 1: if at the end you're bringing in the bad guy
Speaker 1: or whatever. So he gets recruited by White, who basically
Speaker 1: um goes and takes his rightful place behind the two
Speaker 1: way mirror to watch how Feldman brings in the prostitutes
Speaker 1: and the John's and it got a little freaky from there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, it kind of made me wonder if
Speaker 1: the whole uh culture of San Francisco was kind of
Speaker 1: known in the sixties as you know, the counterculture, the revolution,
Speaker 1: the free love, the Summer of Love, if the c
Speaker 1: I actually kind of helped create this in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: I can tell you most decidedly it did. Uh. And
Speaker 1: the reason why, here's the punch line of the whole thing. This,
Speaker 1: this is just this makes this whole thing beautiful and elegant,
Speaker 1: as a mathematician would put it. One of the people
Speaker 1: who signed up for the legitimate experiments, actually, I think
Speaker 1: it was at a v A hospital or something was
Speaker 1: a fellow by the name of ken Kesey. Ken kezi
Speaker 1: U was an orderly at a mental hospital at the time.
Speaker 1: He was basically researching Um for his later book One
Speaker 1: Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Casey's other came claim to
Speaker 1: fame was he was the founder of the Mary Pranksters,
Speaker 1: and the Mary Pranksters hung out with the Hell's Angels,
Speaker 1: the Grateful Dead, wrote around in a in a colorful
Speaker 1: bus and basically we're the establishment of the hippie movement.
Speaker 1: And the Tom Wolf book Electric Kolait Asset test Is
Speaker 1: is a great read. Yeah, and it really gets into
Speaker 1: this period in our history and it's about Kesi and
Speaker 1: the and the Mary Pranksters UM and Kesi was one
Speaker 1: of these willing participants in a test subject by the
Speaker 1: CIA on LSD. He was given it a couple of times, realized,
Speaker 1: holy cow, I love this stuff. Uh, found out that
Speaker 1: Sandos was the company that was making it, got a bunch,
Speaker 1: shared it with his friends once it went illegal. He
Speaker 1: also befriended Stanley Owsley, who was like the premier underground
Speaker 1: acid chemists in the sixties, and it all just kind
Speaker 1: of went from there. So directly, the c i A
Speaker 1: led to the birth of the hippie counterculture and any
Speaker 1: remnants and traces of it still alive today that they
Speaker 1: later would condemn and uh, you know, cops will put
Speaker 1: the beat down on the hippies and the Beatnicks, and
Speaker 1: just kind of funny that it was kind of created
Speaker 1: by the government. It's amazing, it is. It's beautiful. So
Speaker 1: I that's the story of the CIA and LSD and
Speaker 1: the gingerbread man. Wow. Okay, so stick around because this
Speaker 1: seems almost unimportant. We're gonna tell you what article makes
Speaker 1: Chuck want to go out and even mc river to LSD,
Speaker 1: to the mcribe round for that right after this. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's for sticking around. Um, Chuck, Yes, what makes you
Speaker 1: want to eat a mcribb. But man, Well, what doesn't
Speaker 1: make me want to eat a mcgrib, joshin The mcgrib
Speaker 1: is a a temporary menu item, a featured menu item
Speaker 1: that you see a McDonald's occasionally, and as you know,
Speaker 1: it's some sort of pork product, uh, compressed into the
Speaker 1: shape of ribs bones at home. Yeah, but there are
Speaker 1: no bones. It's just part of the pork product that
Speaker 1: represents and they put it on an oblong bun, slather
Speaker 1: it with some sauce and it's deltch. You're preaching of
Speaker 1: the choir. Friend had those and I'm hooked on them.
Speaker 1: But this isn't a mcdonald' scrimmerteal No, so you should
Speaker 1: tell them the article well, it's I think top five
Speaker 1: McDonald's menu items that didn't make it. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a bit of silliness, but it's it's kind of a
Speaker 1: fun real it is. It's very interesting. It's actually I
Speaker 1: took it. It's written by our esteem colleague, Jane McGrath,
Speaker 1: who did a heck of a job with it. Um.
Speaker 1: It's it's almost this gland into the corporate culture of
Speaker 1: McDonald's and marketing and how it goes wrong, terribly wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are two things on there that I would like
Speaker 1: to have seen. Shamrocks shank. Yeah, I love the Shamrocks shake.
Speaker 1: I've never had one, Oh do They're great? Um. And
Speaker 1: the other was the what was the one that keeps
Speaker 1: the hot side hot in the cool side cool? The
Speaker 1: lt Yes, that's right, that's right. Um. I would have
Speaker 1: liked to have seen those on there because I just
Speaker 1: loved the packaging for the McDLT right. The thing was cool.
Speaker 1: I think that in the green movement in these days
Speaker 1: that wouldn't go over because it's twice the packaging quickly. Yeah. Yeah,
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