1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: from house stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh. This is Chuck Chuck m I 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: am Chuck. I'm here. I'm going to prepare today as usual. 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 1: That kind of method approached the podcasting. Now I know 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: what you're getting at now I did not. You're just 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: feeling a little hinky or I'm hinky. That's I like that. 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: That's what I'm hinky. Can you pull yourself together? I'm together, 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm with it. I am I'm fine. This is this 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: is kind of an important one. It's a little out there, 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: but it's all true. It is okay, So you're fine, 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: I'm fine, I'm good. Let's do it. Well, we're talking 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: today about a certain set of experiments carried out by 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: a certain government agency is known as the CIA. Yes, 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: and they, uh, they carried out an experiment with another 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: three letter word LSD right on unsuspecting Americans. Yeah. I 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: think most people, uh would not expect to hear those 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: six letters together in the same sentence. And this is 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: not widely known, so no, it really isn't, and frankly 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: it should be. And I think it's kind of one 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: of those things that uh supports just about every American's 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: notion of what the CIA is up to at any 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: given time. And yet it's just so out there, so 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: fantastic that they actually did this that it's kind of 26 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: hard to believe. But this is documented. This actually happened. 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 1: It didn't. Okay, do you want to give a little 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: background first? Uh, well, um, how about you tell us 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: how we know that this stuff happened. Well, because it's 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: on record. It's actually factually on record. Um. Yeah, there 31 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: are a couple of congressional hearings on it exactly. And 32 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: this is what amazes me is this happened in the 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, which is even less likely because you think 34 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: about LSD acid as they call it as the kids 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: call it, You think about the nineteen seventies and or 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: l sixties and wood stock, But it was actually in 37 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties when it was first being experimented with. 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: And we're talking the early fifties to um. Apparently we 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: were really you know, full on into the Cold War, 40 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: and um, we believed everything we heard about the Russians. 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: We apparently the c I A Uh found out that 42 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: the Russians were involved in some sort of truth serum 43 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: mind constroced mind Controlmenturian candidate experiments, right. Uh. And they 44 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: found out that the Swiss pharmaceutical company that will ring 45 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: a bell of um the people who've taken acid and 46 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: listen to our podcast Sandoz Pharmaceuticals. Um. They had this 47 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: stuff that was first created by a Swiss chemist named 48 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: Albert Hoffman. It was LSD and uh. They apparently had 49 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand hits one million, hundred million hits a 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: bowl to anyone who wanted to buy it was on 51 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: the open market. They were legitimate pharmaceutical company. And this 52 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: is back when as a lot of people don't know, 53 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: LSD was an actual legitimate pharmaceutical. It was also often 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: used later on for um therapy. Did you know that? Uh? Well, 55 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: in in the States, Carrie Grant was huge, huge in 56 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: the acid I kid you not my friend. He he 57 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: took many a trip and he actually I can't remember 58 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: who he's married to. It may have been me, a 59 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: pharaoh or somebody. He he essentially chased her off by 60 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: being so insistent about his wife undergoing acid therapy LSD 61 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: therapy that she was like, you're a freak. I could 62 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: see that. Yeah, So okay, so we're let's get back 63 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: to the sand. Does thing forget carry grant? Yeah, they've 64 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: got a hundred million hits of acid on the market, 65 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: which I mean really, the c I heard this and 66 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: they're thinking, okay, a hundred million hits. They could take 67 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: out New York l A. The Russians could get this 68 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: into the water supply, and all of a sudden, we 69 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: have a population that's not listening to us anymore. Right, 70 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: I guess they were. They wanted to create some sort 71 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: of chaos or mass hysteria or something like that, or 72 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: at worst, like the Manchurian candidate program, unwitting assassins who 73 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: you know, carried out these murders and had no recollection 74 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: of doing it or being programmed. So they're like these 75 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: perfect assassins. Right. They kind of suspected that LSD might 76 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: help with that kind of thing. So uh, when the 77 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: CIA hears that these these hits are on the market, 78 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: they scrambled to buy them. That's what it turns out. 79 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: There is only Yeah, how much think in the US, 80 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: good old U S government said we'll take all of them. 81 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: So they bought forty hits of LSD acid in hand. 82 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: They start carrying out their own horrific experiments. They went camping. No, 83 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, all right. They built campfires, they went 84 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: they that's how a burning man actually started. UM. So 85 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: they they they they have all this acid and they say, well, okay, 86 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: we have to figure out how to make our own 87 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: Manchurian candidates and figure out how to use this as 88 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: a truth thereom ourselves. It just so happened that this 89 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: this acid was purchased at a time that the CIA 90 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: launched this UM project called MK Ultra. And this project 91 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: was huge. Actually doesn't stand for anything. No I I 92 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: never found it either. It doesn't stand There were some 93 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: other projects like MK projects that did stand for things, 94 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: but Ultra it didn't stand for anything, which is unusual. UM. 95 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: So they carry out MK Ultra, which is a hundred 96 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: and forty nine subprojects, and it's this vast range of 97 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: basically figure out how to get into people's minds um 98 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: or kill them like one apparently they had magicians come 99 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: in and t CIA operatives. How do you slide of 100 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: hand and poison people's drinks. Yeah, I can. I can 101 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: virtually guarantee you a lot of magicians were shot in 102 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: the back of the head after they gave that class. 103 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: That was during the big magic freeze of the Yeah, yeah, 104 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: that would account for it. That was one subproject. Another 105 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: was UM using electro convulsive therapy to get people to tall, 106 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: which I'm sure was a lot of fun but it 107 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: worked too. Yeah, there was radiation treatments. They wanted to 108 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: see how much radiation people who could be exposed to UM. 109 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: And this is actually one of the more horrific aspects 110 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: of it. There there's a video on YouTube if you, 111 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: I think type in something like a MK ultra testimony 112 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: or radiation testimony. There is a woman who's testifying at 113 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: a hearing I think it's one of the nineteen seventies 114 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: hearings UM, and she's talking about how she I think 115 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: she was an orphan and she and everybody else in 116 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: the orphanage were made to be test subjects by the 117 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: by the c I A not on LSD, but like 118 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: radiation and all that, and it's just clearly broken. She's 119 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: a broken person. Now she's much older by this time, 120 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: and it's just crazy to see somebody who actually was 121 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: experimented on. She's an American who has all these rights 122 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: and just got thrown out the window. Well yeah, and 123 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: I know that they experimented on prisoners a lot too. Yeah, 124 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: specifically black prisoners. So here's where we get into some 125 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: of the shadier LSD experiments. That's one of them. They 126 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: go into a black prison and basically against the inmates, 127 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: will as far as I know, uh, test LSD on them. Now, 128 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: imagine taking LSD in prison, right, I can't think of 129 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: anything worse than that, combo. Uh. And and these were, 130 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: like I said, this was an all black prison, um, 131 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: and it was just bad. That's just a bad experiment. 132 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Another one was they they lured heroin uh junkies. Yeah. 133 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: I love this one too because and how did they 134 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: lure them? They paid them in heroin. The CIA paid 135 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: these people in heroin. And this is again documented fact. Uh. 136 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: There are a lot of other experiments going on. And 137 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: actually the stuff was so rampant, as you know, Chuck, 138 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: that the CIA actually developed an acid culture for a 139 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: while and within their own Uh yeah, they used to 140 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: dose one another at parties. Um. They used to take 141 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: it themselves recreationally, like get any been like LSD conference 142 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: retreat something like that. The people were probably running around 143 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: on acid, I know, you know, reading your article, it 144 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: seemed almost unreal. Yeah, clearly, and it sounded like the 145 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties and the CIA. It was almost like a prank, like, 146 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, hey, agent nine, let's just go drop some 147 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: acid in agent drink there. That's almost precisely what happened. 148 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: And there'd be like a group who dosed somebody and 149 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: then everybody would be watching them and like a half 150 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: hour later that the joke will beyond him. He'd spend 151 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: the next you know, eight to twelve hours just or whatever. Yeah. U. So, yeah, 152 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: the CIA was well versed in the in how it 153 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: felt to take acid, But the CIA operative isn't the 154 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: average American, So they wanted to experiment on a normal people, 155 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: and I'd say normal kind of unwillingly because they did 156 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: have a certain criteria of who could be targeted for it. 157 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: So they went to kind of the semi under belly 158 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: of cities and they found like hookers and junkies and 159 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: uh who else, Um, well, the guy the pornographers. Yeah, 160 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: the guy who found these folks posts a pimp? Is 161 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? An alternate personality. Let's talk about these people. 162 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: All right. There's this guy, all right, his name is 163 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: Dr Sidney Gottlie. This guy has a club foot. He 164 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: overcame an almost debilitating stutter, and he went on to 165 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: become the chief of the Technical division for the CIA. Now, 166 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: this guy's greatest hits among you know, carrying out the 167 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: LSD experiments, was developing agent orange, another drug that he 168 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: had tested by the people who were conducting the CIA 169 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: or the LSD tests UM eventually gave way to erectile 170 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: this function drugs Um. He did a lot of crazy 171 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: stuff and some less uh less solid evidence can puts 172 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: him in Africa at the time that Ebola broke out 173 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: of nowhere. Maybe not a coincidence there, Yeah, No, is 174 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: he a medical doctor? Was he? He was? He was? 175 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: He was a medical doctor. He was probably from what 176 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: I understand him, he probably had several doctorates to different degrees, 177 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: and I think he was also Now he may have 178 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: been a chemist actually now I think about it, but 179 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: I think he did have a medical training as well. Uh. 180 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: That's that's the guy who's running the head of this 181 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: he's the head of this experiment. UM right right below him, 182 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: is one of the most legendary characters you will ever 183 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: hear about in your life. George Hunter White. They need 184 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: to make a biopic film about this guy. I can't 185 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: believe they haven't already. Um. He originally White originally started out. Um. 186 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: He really first made a name for himself by posing 187 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: as a heroin trafficker um for the better part of 188 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties and busting up this Chinese opium ring. 189 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: And he took down hundreds of people. But to get there, 190 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: I mean, like, I'm sure he had to smoke opium 191 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: quite frequently. Um, And he basically infiltrated this. He took 192 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: a blood oath with this Chinese gang he was in, 193 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: and he eventually took him down. Uh. So that's how 194 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: he made a name for himself. Uh. But he he 195 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: didn't really, I hate to use this cliche. He didn't 196 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: play by the rules. Not only did he not play 197 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: by the rules, the guys totally amoral. He was a 198 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: completely amoral, a bit of a rogue agent. Yeah. I 199 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: think he just kind of went whichever way, his his 200 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: um his all whichever way pretty much. Yeah, because he 201 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: was definitely one of the ones who took the acid right. Um, 202 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: so it all starts with him. Like the most that 203 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: we know about the LSD experiments, they go back to 204 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: George Hunter White. So White gets tapped by Gottlieb to 205 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: carry out these experience experiments, and it all starts in 206 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: New York. He didn't have a safe house or anything 207 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: like this. This guy was doing these experiments on his 208 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: friends at first in his apartment in New York, basically 209 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: having acid parties without telling them that they were going 210 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: to be taking acid. And actually you could argue that 211 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: George Hunter White held the first acid parties in the 212 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: history of the earth. Um. This guy was really he'd 213 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: make up batches of Martinis um and serve them to 214 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: his guests. And of course the picture of Martini was 215 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: spiked to god knows how much LSD well. That's one 216 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: of the things who I was wondering is at the 217 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: time they were just starting to experiment, so they didn't 218 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: even know what was a full dose, what what it 219 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: would do. I mean, this is how they found out. Yeah, um, 220 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: and and he had a he had a terminology for, um, 221 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: what happened if you had a bad trip. He called 222 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: it the horrors. One of the reasons we know so 223 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: much about this is because George White kept a diary 224 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: of notes um that for his experiments, at least to 225 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: maintain some semblance of experimentation. He took notes on it. Um. 226 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, so he'd serve his guests martinis, right, and 227 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: then just sit back and take notes. After it started 228 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: kicking in. There was a whole subgroup of close friends 229 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: of his that were actually in a certainly recruited and 230 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: they would bring their friends and he actually had this 231 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: kind of um swinger social group um and swinger by 232 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: every definition of the word. White apparently was into Spike 233 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: Hilled boots. He'd do anything for a woman in Spike 234 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: Hill Boots. Um. Who know, right. His friends were just 235 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: imagine like the the fifties shade ball porno swinger groups. 236 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: And this is what White was at the center, except 237 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: he was, unbeknownst to all of his friends, a CIA 238 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: operative experimenting on lst need to be a film in 239 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: the works. I would go that would Uh, So he's 240 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: carrying out experiments and again there was a certain subgroup 241 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: of friends who loved it. They years later, um, in 242 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: the nineties, a lot of this this information came out 243 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: and it just fell to the wayside for reasons I 244 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: can't understand, um, but there a lot of them were like, 245 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: we loved acid. George loved acid, Like we just took 246 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: acid all time. Some people didn't like acid. Though exactly 247 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: can go one of two ways generally when it comes 248 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: to yeah, there's not really a middle ground of a 249 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: think now. Um, So there's this one woman in particular 250 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: named Barbara Newsome. I felt terrible and she was like 251 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: a young mother, and um, she was married, and her 252 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: husband was actually kind of this, um, kind of a 253 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: cad from what I understand, Um, he was part of 254 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: White's little swinger group, but I also got the impression 255 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: that was kind of peripheral. Wanted to be in further, 256 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: but they just didn't think too highly of him. But 257 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: White thought his wife was pretty hot. So he waits 258 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: till her husband's out of town and invites her over. 259 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: And Barbara Newsome was not really hip to what was 260 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: going on. She had a young kid, She had a 261 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: twenty month old baby that she brought to the party, 262 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: so she clearly did not know what was gonna totally 263 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: unaware of what was going on. So White, um doses 264 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: here anyway, right, and the part of The problem was 265 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: white quickly got bored, especially if you were on a 266 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: bad trip. He had no there was no padded room 267 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: that he took you to, or he didn't hand you 268 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: like a hash pipe or anything like that. You were 269 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: on your own. He wanted you out of his hair, 270 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: and that was that. So it was a big bummer 271 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: for him, I guess exactly. At the very least, it 272 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: made him irritable. So he'd turned you out on the street, 273 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: just tripping your head off, and um that that's that's 274 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: what became a Barbara Knewsome. She was turned out on 275 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: the street. She had a bad trip, and she went home. 276 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: She never told anybody about it. Um. Her husband later 277 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: pieces together. They eventually divorced, but he didn't even know 278 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: what happened to her. No, I don't think she had 279 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: a clue what happened to her. She she became depressed, 280 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: her marriage fell apart. She ended up being committed on 281 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: and off for the next twenty years. Um. And also 282 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: again from from the research I did, she was probably 283 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: a little more fragile than the average person, and it 284 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: made something else could have happened to her in her 285 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: life that that put her through this. The fact is 286 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: this woman was experimented on. It's documented facts. She she 287 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: was one of White's test subjects and her life fell apart, right, Sure, 288 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: she kind of represents the bad side of these experiments. Yeah, 289 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: I would say that's definitely the bad side. And one 290 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: person died, isn't that correct? Yeah? Dr Frank Olsen, Yeah, 291 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: his son really has taken up the charge of trying 292 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: to get the truth exposed. His father is definitely documented 293 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: as having been tested on at one of those parties. 294 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: And now imagine like his father was an army scientists, 295 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: a research scientists whose specialty was in delivering poisons through aerosols. 296 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: He was a lab orate. He probably, I imagine if 297 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: social skills weren't as quite refined as maybe whites or 298 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: anybody else's. Uh, he goes to this party and um, 299 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: they they give him a shot of dost quantroux and 300 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: he does not handle it well. Now and this is 301 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: it Thanksgiving to He's around things. These guys clearly had 302 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: no qualms about. You know this one lady had a baby. 303 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: This guy so the holidays and he skipped Thanksgiving with 304 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: his family because he was so freaked out. Hey, they 305 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: actually contacted the closest CIA approved doctor who was I 306 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: think a pediatrist or something like that, and but he 307 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: was the closest physician. I think the guy was in Virginia, 308 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: which is close by to where this this c I 309 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: A army conference took place. And so Dr Olsen's just 310 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: freaking out and he's doing it very loudly. I think 311 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: he kind of took everybody off guard with his reaction 312 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: to the l s T. They bring this doctor, and 313 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: the doctors like, this guy needs some serious care and 314 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: basically we need to kidnap him. And he has corns 315 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: on his feet. Write a boots is always notices those things. Yeah, 316 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: well yeah, how it's his training. So um, they basically 317 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 1: sequester this guy. They call his family and say, your 318 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: husband isn't going to be home for Thanksgiving. He can't 319 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: make it. Basically, don't ask any questions or any Thanksgiving. 320 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: As it turns out, right, eight days after his bad trip, 321 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: he goes out the tenth story window of a hotel 322 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: in New York and um, it was apparently suicide. That's 323 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: how it was ruled. But years later, I think in 324 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: or four, his son who actually started a website, the 325 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: Frank Olsen Project, very interesting stuff. He um he had 326 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: his father's body exhumed and there was evidence of pre 327 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: mortem blunt forest trauma to the head, which kind of suggests, 328 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, this guy was probably murdered. And a couple 329 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: of years after the body was exhumed, Mike Feldman, who 330 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: posed as the pimp, will get to him in a second. 331 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: In an interview with Spin magazine, he said, you know, 332 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: George Hunter White was doing the asset tests in New 333 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: York at the time. This guy went out of the 334 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: hotel window in New York. So you know, you don't 335 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: have to put you put two and two together. No 336 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: one ever has definitively, but you know, it kind of 337 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: seems like the kind of guy White was, he didn't 338 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: seem to have qualms about stuff like, so, okay, New 339 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: York's over, Yeah, this is this is where it gets good. 340 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: And it was sort of predictable when you look back. 341 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: But they moved the operation to an actually a funded 342 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: place in San Francisco of the the apartment called the Path, 343 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: that's literally it was called the Pad. And basically I 344 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: get the impression that White left his swinging social scene 345 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: and his wife behind in New York and he goes 346 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: and takes the show on the road by himself in 347 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: San Francisco. And at first, UM, let me describe the 348 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: pad real quick. It's this little apartment with the kind 349 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: of bohemian art on the walls and yeah, yeah, yeah, 350 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: but it was probably pretty close. Um. One of the 351 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: one of the main features is a two way mirror 352 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: with a little hollowed out room behind it. Um, and 353 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: that looked out onto the main living room. Okay, So 354 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: basically White used to take a bunch of acid and 355 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: he would pose as either a merchant, seaman or like 356 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: some sort of starving artists, and he'd go into San 357 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: Francisco and basically find the prostitutes and the john's and um, 358 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: the drug dealers, and he'd round them up and bring 359 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: them back to his place and just dose him with acids. 360 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: And they didn't feel bad because they consider these people 361 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: just the dregs of society. They figured they are degenerates anyway. 362 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: But you know, I think that there's probably a pretty 363 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: wide threshold of you know, who was fair game and 364 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: he wasn't. Like I'm sure if you were caught with 365 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: a Nudi mag under your mattress and you were married, 366 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: they would have considered you fair game degenerator. Here's some 367 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: and here's some acid. Yeah all right, So, um, at first, 368 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: White surrounding all these people up right, and he's basically 369 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: just partying with him in San Francisco on acids. Right. 370 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: Eventually he recruits Ike Feldman, that guy that we mentioned 371 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: who did that Sin magazine interview. And Ike Feldman is 372 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: just a badass. He is a tough, grit old old 373 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: the fringe of the law cop right. He does whatever. 374 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: He's like the model for Vic Mackie from the Shield. 375 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: Whatever has to be done to get the job done. Whatever, 376 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how many times you break the law, 377 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: if at the end you're bringing in the bad guy 378 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: or whatever. So he gets recruited by White, who basically 379 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: um goes and takes his rightful place behind the two 380 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: way mirror to watch how Feldman brings in the prostitutes 381 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: and the John's and it got a little freaky from there. Yeah, 382 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: and you know, it kind of made me wonder if 383 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: the whole uh culture of San Francisco was kind of 384 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: known in the sixties as you know, the counterculture, the revolution, 385 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: the free love, the Summer of Love, if the c 386 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 1: I actually kind of helped create this in the nineteen fifties. 387 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: I can tell you most decidedly it did. Uh. And 388 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: the reason why, here's the punch line of the whole thing. This, 389 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: this is just this makes this whole thing beautiful and elegant, 390 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: as a mathematician would put it. One of the people 391 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: who signed up for the legitimate experiments, actually, I think 392 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: it was at a v A hospital or something was 393 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: a fellow by the name of ken Kesey. Ken kezi 394 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: U was an orderly at a mental hospital at the time. 395 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: He was basically researching Um for his later book One 396 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Casey's other came claim to 397 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: fame was he was the founder of the Mary Pranksters, 398 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: and the Mary Pranksters hung out with the Hell's Angels, 399 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: the Grateful Dead, wrote around in a in a colorful 400 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: bus and basically we're the establishment of the hippie movement. 401 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: And the Tom Wolf book Electric Kolait Asset test Is 402 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: is a great read. Yeah, and it really gets into 403 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: this period in our history and it's about Kesi and 404 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: the and the Mary Pranksters UM and Kesi was one 405 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: of these willing participants in a test subject by the 406 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: CIA on LSD. He was given it a couple of times, realized, 407 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: holy cow, I love this stuff. Uh, found out that 408 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: Sandos was the company that was making it, got a bunch, 409 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: shared it with his friends once it went illegal. He 410 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: also befriended Stanley Owsley, who was like the premier underground 411 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: acid chemists in the sixties, and it all just kind 412 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: of went from there. So directly, the c i A 413 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: led to the birth of the hippie counterculture and any 414 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: remnants and traces of it still alive today that they 415 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 1: later would condemn and uh, you know, cops will put 416 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: the beat down on the hippies and the Beatnicks, and 417 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: just kind of funny that it was kind of created 418 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: by the government. It's amazing, it is. It's beautiful. So 419 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: I that's the story of the CIA and LSD and 420 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: the gingerbread man. Wow. Okay, so stick around because this 421 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: seems almost unimportant. We're gonna tell you what article makes 422 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: Chuck want to go out and even mc river to LSD, 423 00:23:54,040 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: to the mcribe round for that right after this. Okay, 424 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: it's for sticking around. Um, Chuck, Yes, what makes you 425 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: want to eat a mcribb. But man, Well, what doesn't 426 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: make me want to eat a mcgrib, joshin The mcgrib 427 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: is a a temporary menu item, a featured menu item 428 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: that you see a McDonald's occasionally, and as you know, 429 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: it's some sort of pork product, uh, compressed into the 430 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: shape of ribs bones at home. Yeah, but there are 431 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: no bones. It's just part of the pork product that 432 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: represents and they put it on an oblong bun, slather 433 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: it with some sauce and it's deltch. You're preaching of 434 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: the choir. Friend had those and I'm hooked on them. 435 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: But this isn't a mcdonald' scrimmerteal No, so you should 436 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: tell them the article well, it's I think top five 437 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: McDonald's menu items that didn't make it. Yeah. Yeah, it's 438 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: a bit of silliness, but it's it's kind of a 439 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: fun real it is. It's very interesting. It's actually I 440 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: took it. It's written by our esteem colleague, Jane McGrath, 441 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: who did a heck of a job with it. Um. 442 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: It's it's almost this gland into the corporate culture of 443 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: McDonald's and marketing and how it goes wrong, terribly wrong. Yeah, 444 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: there are two things on there that I would like 445 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: to have seen. Shamrocks shank. Yeah, I love the Shamrocks shake. 446 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: I've never had one, Oh do They're great? Um. And 447 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: the other was the what was the one that keeps 448 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: the hot side hot in the cool side cool? The 449 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: lt Yes, that's right, that's right. Um. I would have 450 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: liked to have seen those on there because I just 451 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: loved the packaging for the McDLT right. The thing was cool. 452 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: I think that in the green movement in these days 453 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: that wouldn't go over because it's twice the packaging quickly. Yeah. Yeah, 454 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: Well you can read all sorts of stuff about the 455 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: green movement and plenty of menu items that didn't really 456 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: make it for McDonald's, and don't forget to read about 457 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: the C, I, A and L S D. 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