WEBVTT - Reasonable Doubt w/ Bradley Whitford 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.160 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.960 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.400 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:26.160 Done done. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.640 Yay, that's messed up an SVU podcast. I am Liza 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.320 Tragger and I'm Kara Klank and by now hopefully you 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.880 know what's going on here. It's SVU, it's true crime, 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:43.040 it's interviews with celebs, to be honest, and today's a 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:47.400 really good one. But first, wow, I have I can't 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:51.080 see Okay, tell me, okay, okay, So I feel like 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:53.680 you have a more exciting life than me. You always 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:55.840 have fun stories, and I finally feel like it's my 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.880 moment in the sun. Okay, have fun stories, have fun 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.480 story No, I know, I know, I know, but okay. 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:03.480 So I mentioned this on the pod a few weeks 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.360 ago that I was going to see Ama Dais at 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:10.320 the Pasadena Playhouse starring Jefferson Mace, friend of the Pod 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:12.039 aka doctor Carl Rudnick. 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:16.240 Okay, so the week or so before, I'm. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.360 Like, you know what, I'm just gonna like see if 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.680 he wants to, like, say hi after the show, right, 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.759 so I email his publicists and I'm just like, hey, 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:28.320 I interviewed your client a year ago on my podcast. 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:30.840 I'm going I already have tickets. I'm not asking for 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:32.480 anything free. I was like, I would love to pop 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.319 in and say hi after the show. She was like, 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.720 he would love to see you. I was like, I 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:37.200 was gagged. 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:37.479 Okay. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.319 I also did see the photo and I would like 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.960 to say, Jared going gray, I think is a great look. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.280 Thank you. Do you feel that way or are you 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:46.920 not into it? Yeah? Because you know what, he was 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:51.040 already so blonde that it's so it's so gradual, like 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:51.720 it's kind of. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:53.320 Like because I haven't seen him in a long time. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.600 And I was, yeah, I was like, this is a 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:56.120 good look. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's going good for it because 0:01:58.240 --> 0:01:59.480 he kind of still has a baby case. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:01.800 I just now that I mentioned your husband, I obviously 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.280 think of Kumel the new star of White Lotus. I mean, 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.320 I mean and then in my hat him like that's 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.480 the biggest deal ever and that I remember he's like Marvel, 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.000 like he is famous, but like I just can't even Amerine. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.360 I know, but I texted his wife yesterday, who's like 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.840 my good friend, and I was like, I'm I was like, 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.280 I'm simultaneously feel betrayed that you didn't tell me, but 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.959 also know fully well that you could never have told me. Yeah, 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.800 thank you for realizing that, because I was like, that's 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.799 so huge. But I texted him congrats, and I think 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:33.320 that he's over the moon, like so excited. And France, 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.160 I mean, yeah, they're gonna be near Kahn, They're gonna 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:38.040 being con They're. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:39.760 Gonna have this time with the Times. It's gonna be amazing. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.639 All right, get back. Okay, so you're at the Pasadena Playhouse. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.480 Okay, So I'm at the Pasadena Playhouse and we see 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.960 the show, and I'm gonna I honestly, maybe the best 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.720 play I've ever seen in my entire life, Like I 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.800 have never seen amadeis the movie I have never seen. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.720 I don't I've never watched the play. Like it was 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.200 so good. The stage picture, like the last thing I 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.799 saw there was Kate with You, right, Like so Kate 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.800 Berlance One Woman Show awesome, but like pretty much a 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.519 black stage with like a projection up during certain points. 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.840 This was like scrims and projections in the back and 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.720 like this awesome two floor set where like people keep 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.760 appearing almost like ghosts at the top. Like it was 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.920 like really fantastic. And Jefferson Mays is the star of 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.920 the damn show. It's called Amadaeus because it's it is 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:31.640 about Mozart, but he plays Salieri and like if you 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.720 don't know the show, it's basically like it's basically like 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.800 they're both composers, and Saliary realizes that. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.520 The photos he looks incredible. This wig. 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.920 Yeah, he realizes that Mozart is like a god given 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.520 talent like and so he basically makes it his mission 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.200 to like ruin him so that he can be It's 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.880 like but he but he acts like his friend. So 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.360 it's like a tale of gaslighting and somebody like trying 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.160 to take you down, but acting like your friend. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.280 It's like so good, it looks so cool. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:07.360 Wow, he has like the most he has so many lines, 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.440 Like I mean, it's like he's the star of the 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.040 fucking show. It's nuts, and he does an amazing job. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.920 There's monologues where he's screaming. He has to go from 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.039 young salary to old dying salary and it's like a 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:22.720 totally different posture and voice and everything, like he's a master, 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.279 like he was so good, so you know, and I 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.040 saw it the second to last day, like it closed 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.320 the next day, so it was a full house. So 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.279 we go, we go backstage. We're waiting. You've seen, You've 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.040 been in the room. We're sitting on like these little 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.720 couches kind of like waiting because it's this big green 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.280 room where everyone has like a little dressing room off 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.160 to the side. So we're just like waiting for him 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.839 to come out, okay, And I'm seeing other members of 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:45.520 the cast and I'm like, that was amazing, you were 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.560 so good. Blah blah blah. There's opera in it, like 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.719 some of the actresses and actors like sing opera. It 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.760 was crazy. And then in the doorway comes this big 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.760 guy and some of the cast members go, we saw 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.160 you from the stage. Oh my god. And I look 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.880 to the side and I go, I go, oh, that 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.160 that looks like Christopher Maloney, and like, kind of from 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.120 the side, are you kidding me? No? 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.080 I go, kind of from the side, that guy looks 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:12.039 like Christopher Maloney. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.120 And then Jefferson Mays comes out of his room and 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:16.760 he's like in a rob he's just obviously taking all 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.479 his makeup off, and he goes and he shakes the 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:24.400 man's hand. I'm my Maloney lighter in my hand. Yeah. 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.360 He goes and shakes the man's hand, and in my mind, 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.720 I'm going, well, it's not Christopher Malone, because Jefferson Mays 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:32.840 would know Christopher Maloney. Then he steps into the dress 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.040 into the green room and it is Christopher Maloney, and 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.480 my entire heart like sinks into my stomach. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.080 There's like fifteen people in the green room. 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.320 You think Jefferson's like putting this together like in his 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.400 head like this is no, no, not a. 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.840 He's not so because he hasn't even seen us yet. 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:52.360 He hasn't even seen me in Jared yet. He's like 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.440 zipped out of his dressing room and gone and seen 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:58.520 straight to obviously gone straight to Maloney. And so he is, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.240 but he buzzes around, he goes somewhere else because Maloney 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.760 knows one of the actors in the play. Okay, So 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.680 I'm like, oh my god, oh my god. Jared is 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.279 sitting there with me, and he goes, how can I 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:08.960 support you? What if you want to do? And I'm 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.080 like I'm like, I'm like paralyzed, like I don't know 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.640 what to do. I'm usually like pretty cool around celebs, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.800 and I just was like, I don't even know like 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.240 how I speak to him, because I know he kind 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:20.760 of it, but he's in a good mood. He's like 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.080 telling everybody how great they did whatever, and I'm like, okay. 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.880 So then he goes and he's deeper into the green 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.039 room taking pictures with some of the cast members, and 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.480 then Jefferson comes up to us, and I'm like, oh 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.720 my god. Hi. It's like, yeah, you know Kara from 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:34.120 the podcast. 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:35.880 And he goes, of course, thank you so much for 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:36.680 coming back. 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.480 Oh my god. And I was like, you were so amazing, 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.320 and I'm like talking about how how could he possibly like 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.880 keep his voice every night a day after day he goes, 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:46.640 it just comes back. I was like, oh my god, 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:50.240 it's because he screams monologues like it's crazy. But anyway, 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.520 the whole time I'm like talking to Jefferson, I'm also 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:53.680 like at the back of my mind, like I have 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:58.000 one eye wandering like where's Christopher Maloney And so I go, 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.000 I go, I can't believe Christopher Lone he's here, Jefferson 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.440 and he goes, oh, you gotta get him, and I go, 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.880 I go, I got, I know, I gotta go say hi, 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:07.400 And he was like, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.080 So he and I chat for a little bit. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.360 He's so fun, he said, yeah, rod Nick's later right, 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:13.720 like they never worked together. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.840 That's what I realized after. That's when I realized after 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.040 the reason he was introducing himself is because Rudnick is 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.520 seasoned like fourteen fifteen, right, so they never they never 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.480 probably yeah, so, but in my mind I just wasn't 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.440 you know, I wasn't thinking seasons right at the no. 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.360 I know, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.280 The same thing came to me after I go. I 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.280 said to Jared, I go, that's why they don't know 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.480 each other different later seasons. And Jared goes, okay, like 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.760 he has no idea what's going on. So I'm like, fuck, okay. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.520 So and Jefferson said, he goes, I had the best 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.640 time with you ladies. He was like talking about how 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:47.920 much he loved being on the podcast, and he was like, 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.840 you guys indulging me with my little day drinking. And 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:52.960 I was like, you were just having a glassy, little 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.880 glass of white wine. It was no big deal. And 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.960 so he was and March, that's so funny. It was 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.400 a little martini glass, okay, And we'd we asked him, 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.000 we were like, are is that a martini? He's like, 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:09.160 it's a white wine. But he was so so sweet, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.040 and he said that there's talk of the show moving 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.080 possibly to New York and if it goes there, you 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.120 gotta go like so good. So then he has to 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.560 go obviously, like he's got other people to see and 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.920 shit to do. And I'm like, okay. So Maloney has 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.679 gone to the stage with his friend, so I follow. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.880 I go up to the stage and he's gone, and 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.439 I go. I go to the friend. I go, did 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:35.559 Christopher Maloney leave? 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:36.520 And he goes yeah. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.800 I go. I go, oh no, I go, I have 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.640 the Number one is for You podcast. He goes, oh 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.360 my god, you want me to text him? And I go, 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:46.920 you guys are friends. He goes, yeah, he was here 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.319 to see me. And I go, oh no, that's okay, 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:51.840 Like you're not gonna text and go there's a girl 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.400 with a podcast. Then come back like you know, like 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.360 that's not happening. But it was like I couldn't like 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.240 be rude to Jefferson and like down maloney and it 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.040 was so quick. But I'll tell you he looked great. 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.760 The butt was he was standing in front of me. 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.800 I saw his butt before I saw his full face 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.600 and was like, it's him, Like that's him and uh, 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.400 really filling out those genes. And he was really nice 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:19.440 and complimentary to the whole cast. And you know I 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.719 heard him talk about where he lives in La. It's 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:23.480 not impossible that I could run into him again. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.000 No, we will run into him again. He will do 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.280 the pod, We will see him. 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.280 Yes, you were in close proximity. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.120 Yeah, who was he with somebody? At first I thought 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.320 he was, but they were two other friends of the 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.040 same actor, so he was alone. Got it wow? 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:40.839 And he was off into the night. 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:42.920 And then I, you know, I got out onto those 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.360 streets after I left and was like scanning everywhere seeing 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:46.719 if he was like getting into a black car. 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.520 But I missed opportunity. He didn't miss it. That was 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.679 what was supposed to happen. It's like, yeah, you know. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:54.800 He was like I could have touched him. He was 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.040 so close. It was crazy, Like did he look but 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.800 I felt that feeling? Yeah, he was. He looked really 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.000 hot and I because he was like just very like 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.920 cash and I just have not had that feeling of 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.160 like oh my god, like what do I do? What 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:09.719 do I say? How like what do I have to 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.760 approach this like in a long time. So nice to 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.560 know I still I can still feel you know. That 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:14.880 was good. 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:16.960 Now my heart is beating so fast right now. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.080 Yeah. Yeah, but I was like it was so crazy. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:21.840 I go wow in profile, that guy really looks like 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.280 Christopher Maloney. And then I was like, but it's how 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.679 big is the I guess I didn't anticipate me like 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.720 seeing a big guy and going, oh my god, it's Maloney. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.440 Like it was the baldness too. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.080 Yeah, like he was just baldi and like I just 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.000 saw him in the doorway, you know, like people were 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:38.920 kind of in front and act the actresses were like. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:40.720 We saw you from the stage. I was like, this 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:41.480 must be somebody. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.240 I mean, this is kind of like when people are 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.000 like are you going to SNL like for Connor Store 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.320 or whatever? I go no, because I don't want to 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.920 behave Like sometimes it's like you can't be desperate, you 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.560 know what I mean, like your exact situations. Everyone wants 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.040 a thing, and sometimes that feeling is just too much 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.280 to handle and you have to stay grounded, and it's 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.680 like you can't be a free and sometimes the freaks 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:02.240 are rewarded. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.760 I'm sure, but like I don't know totally. 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:06.640 And I was like, I mean, in my mind, I 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.280 was like gonna be like, I'm so sorry to bother you. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.000 I just have to tell you because like I mean, 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.320 I don't know if he even knows about our podcast, 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:15.359 but I. 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.000 You know, I had I had a plan in my 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:18.480 mind to win. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.839 It's gonna be one of those where when he finally 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.079 does it, we'll be like, well, you've said no forever 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.200 and he goes what I would never have said no, 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.640 and it's like, yeah. 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:33.160 He said no his people. Yeah, so yeah that's my 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:37.800 story and what a night. But damn and yeah, and 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.840 I like, yeah, I posted a story. I have a 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.120 maybe I'll put it on Maine or something. I have 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:43.760 a great I have a great pick of me, just 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.199 me and rod Nick alone. Jared's not the best photographer, 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:53.679 but you know we got a cute little pick. Wow. Okay, 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.800 I do have to I do have a confession to 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.720 make to you guys. And I I know, I like 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:02.560 I actually ended up not really doing Saint Patrick's Day yesterday. 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.560 So I apologize for moving the four, okay, I cause 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:07.840 I saw on your stories that you had an early 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:08.959 one and that's really fun. 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.280 I did because Julia was leaving town and I made 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.680 her feel so guilty and bad that she would leave me. 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:16.920 And she was also like, these are like we don't 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:18.840 really even do this holiday, Like why are you acting 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:19.080 like this? 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:20.040 And then I had receipts. 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.440 I go, oh, like when Lane Maine corn beef and 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.480 you did, I go, how dare you say we don't 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:25.280 do this holiday? 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.800 So she felt so bad that she went to soul 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:29.480 cycle with me. 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:31.600 We went to cornerbe stre It was like also a 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.440 gorgeous day in New York City. Yeah, it was like 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.440 in the sixties but or maybe fifties. But we sat 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.160 outside and then we went to ear in our favorite 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.120 Irish place. And then I had yeah, oh my god, 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.920 this is the New York Friday. Seven o'clock drinks at 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:49.280 a steakhouse, eight o'clock Korean barbecue, ten o'clock karaoke, twelve 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:53.040 forty five a spot, two am, a spot like I 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.520 was performing fully black Down. Oh yeah, I got a 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.559 text from the friend group I left from karaoke being 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.400 at one forty five, going where are you at? 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.200 And I said, I'm still waiting to go up. 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:03.880 Oh my god. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.319 So I like party and you know, and this is 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.640 the thing, like I'm at soul Cycle with high schoolers 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:09.960 and I'm like, I am thirty eight. 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.000 I started drinking at seven o'clock. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.559 I missed, I mixed four liquors and I'm fucking here 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.760 spinning bitch. I was just like, I felt really good 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:19.439 about myself. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:21.080 But then Julie and. 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.440 I went straight to Saint Patti's, so I was like 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.320 drunk and then I'd arrest before my next one am spot. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.440 You know what I mean? Oh my god. 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.160 No, But I kept wanting to party and everyone was like, well, 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.200 I have a job, Like what do you mean? Like nothing, 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.320 like nothing was clicking, and I was like, am I 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.280 just gonna get blacked out alone in the neighborhood. And 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.079 then I went to get a coffee at ten am 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:43.640 and I go, you know, I thought I was going 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.560 to party today and the girl goes, I mean, it's 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:47.520 still pretty early. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:57.040 Yeah, things could turn around, girl made by lunch. But 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.520 this is what I did. So basically, I have I 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.319 do have a lot it's not gonna be the maloney. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:02.000 I do have a list. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.040 It all is kind of connected also, Casey, it's so funny. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.400 So my hairdresser, Lacey's been doing my hair in color 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.280 and cut for like a decade. I would say over 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.000 a decade, and she said the same thing you did. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.719 She goes, Lisa, I've never heard you say you read 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.040 a book. And I'm really proud of you. 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:20.120 Right now people are saying that, like the streets are 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.480 saying that. But I finished the eighth one. 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.200 I didn't know what to do, and then I actually, 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.280 I hope you're a listener. I ran into a girl 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:30.120 who came to my Grammarcy show at the park and 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:31.920 she goes, you need to read this book, and I 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.360 went and bought it. But it's love Letters to a 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.800 serial Killer and it's really fun. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.400 I'm into it really. Yeah. I'm only like fifty pages in. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.920 But I was like scared that nothing but gay hockey 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:44.320 would like get me to read. 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.200 But I found Murder. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:47.240 Murder. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.600 Now it's a muscle. Now it's a muscle that it's working. Now, yeah, 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.120 you can do other stuff. Well now when I started 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.960 in people have been dming stuff that you should also 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.800 read yeah, like about gay FBI agents. Once somebody said 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.680 some and I got a forwarded. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.800 I need it because I bought a straight book and 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.680 it just wasn't doing it. I like, couldn't read this 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.040 straight romance, but this one has a murder element and 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.200 she's like writing to this murderer and I do enjoy it, 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:10.920 but I needed this. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.520 I need gay fbis you need to say that, Yeah, 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.440 I'll forward it to you. I definitely need. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.920 But whatever, So okay, there's so many So anyways, I've 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.080 just been like out and about and it's mostly heated 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:26.680 rivalry related. But Connor Story's v Man magazine. I don't 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:28.240 know what that is, but it came out. It was 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.400 supposed to come out the sixteenth to Barnes and Noble. 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.440 So I'm on it. I'm showing it. They go, we 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.520 don't have it. We don't know when magazines come. It's 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.240 per the distributor. Like they were stressed. You could tell 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.280 Barnes and Noble was stressed. So I start calling magazine shops. 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.040 I'm calling all the places in New York like trying 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.600 to get this magazine. So then one guy finally he's like, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.040 come tomorrow morning, just please come tomorrow morning. So that 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.960 so that's Saint Patrick's stay. So I'm up at like 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.040 eight third, I'm like, let's go. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.600 So so you are partying, you're tracking out a magazine, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:58.840 so you are partying a little bit, so you're on 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.560 the fucking case Like this is so good. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.760 I get to the story immediately, like I'll take three, 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:05.440 and he's and then I give him money and he 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.000 goes wanting to do five. I go, I don't need 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:08.160 He goes, you could sell it. I go, that's not 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:13.000 my spirit. And then I go and then I go like, 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.040 how's it been or what's going on? And he goes, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:21.840 you people are driving me crazy. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.800 Like they're bringing back print meet that's a slur. 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.080 You're only talking about women. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:25.800 You're basically mostly talking about women. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:28.960 And then I go, I'll take a fourth one. I go, okay, 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.920 because I'm gonna give one my niece whatever, Like I just, I. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:33.520 Just I'm surprised they didn't put a limit on it, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.040 like the Princess Diana Beanie baby out where I worked, 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:37.440 we were only allowed to buy one. 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.600 No, he wanted me to buy more. He was, and 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.200 then he gave me. He's like, well, let's fold it. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.240 I go excuse me. He goes, that's okay, right. I go, 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:46.720 absolutely not, and you said there's two why are you 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.160 doing that? And then he's like and started opening a 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.440 new box. He was like pissed, but I got the magazines. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.000 But then so I went to go get another book 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.000 and I'm in like Matao's neighborhood. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.720 This is like and in my and my guy. 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:02.000 I go, oh, I should see if he wants to 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:03.880 do breakfast and I was like, oh, whatever, it's Saint 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:05.600 Patrick's there. I think I have to do something else. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.160 So then I go to the bookstore. I got recognized 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.160 at the bookstore. The one of those guys who works 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.480 there goes, I hear you on Sydney and Marie's podcast. 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.560 I love their podcast, and I heard Mateo call you 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.520 and he mentions Mateo. One minute later, Mateo calls me 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:20.040 like can you believe that? 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:21.720 What? 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.120 And he goes, hey, we're filming something and a bunch 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:24.800 of people are late. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.040 Can you like rush over and do something real quick? 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.199 And I went okay, So like that felt kind of 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.680 serendipitous and psychotic, yeah, like to like Mateo, And then 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:35.960 it happened, so like that was really really fun but 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:37.639 so we just did a thing. But I got my 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.400 magazines and I just loved the way the guy. Oh 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:45.280 but then for Saint Patrick. Then my road agent, no 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.080 big deal. Ryan was like, Hey, my mom's flight got fucked. 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:49.880 I have Broadway tickets. Do you want to come see 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.440 a show? And I went, I guess this is all 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.320 meant to be honest. Say so, I saw a show 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.480 called Strangers Carrying a Cake in New York. 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.840 Oh cool. I never heard of it across to New York. 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:05.520 Across I had to look at the magnet I bought, 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.000 but I happened. Of course you bought merch. Was it good? 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.800 It was lovely? It was like sweet romantic. I love 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:13.720 the set. They're very, very talented. 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.000 I don't think those songs are like hits or whatever, 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:17.400 but they're it's good. 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:18.760 I laughed. I was into it. 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.760 And I think people are into like romance vibes, so 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.640 like people who are like oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:24.960 Kind of fun. 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.200 And I had a great time and just like any 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:29.080 you know, it's like it just feel it's like a 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.080 just feels cool to be in New York and be 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:32.840 able to go to a Broadway show last minute, you 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.280 know what I mean? And I was next to two 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.359 teen girls and there was a Harry Potter joke and 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:37.920 the way. 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:39.240 They laugh then they got that one. 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.360 No, but okay, So before I bought my eighth gay 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.199 hockey book and it finished it I So I go 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.720 to Barnes and Noble and I'm in line with it 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.440 and a man budges me. But you know, like like Sephora, 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.439 like there's items on the side, so you're just you're looking. 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.199 But a man cuts me in line. But I'm like, 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:00.959 I love that. I never heard I only hear you 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:05.439 say that budging. Budging, Yeah, like someone budges you. It's like, 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.280 is that you say that to case? Yeah? Like I 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.080 never heard that before? Really, and except you said I 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.159 know you said it before. It's so cute. Cut is 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.639 like you're cutting me. Budge is like I just nudged 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.920 in front of you. But it's not nice. No, it's 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:20.600 like an old guy and I'm not in a hurry. 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:21.600 So I was like what hu. 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:23.959 Then a second man cuts me in line, so then 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.680 I'm like, okay, what's like? Am I invisible? So I go, okay, sir, 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:29.760 like what's going on here? I'm in line? Why is 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.040 ever going in front of me. It's Neil Patrick Harris. 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:40.359 He turns around, Wait what at Barnes and nobody? And 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.879 aren't you friends with him? From your go ahead? 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.480 So I go, oh hey, I go I met you 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:50.280 backstage at your at your play and he goes, okay, 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.280 I just I thought you were looking at the items. 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:54.919 I go, I know, it was just like you were 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:56.320 the second person to budge me. 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.760 It just was kind of crazy, and he went okay, 0:19:59.000 --> 0:19:59.640 and then that was it. 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.680 Ah. But then it was like so New York because 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:05.280 then I left and then I ran into John Early 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.480 at the farmers market. It really it's really been like 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:09.880 I guess a who's who of adventure when you leave 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:10.920 the house, you know what I mean? 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.040 I got nineteen thousand steps I think two days ago. 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:16.919 Geez, just trying to get a comfort rise the amount 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.440 of the hard to get ten Wait. 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.760 No, I do have to say it is a heated rivalrything. 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.480 But remember when I was first raving about it, I 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:29.280 mentioned how I love his progression of English and how 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.600 like it's because they shot it out of order. So 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.560 I was like the fact that his English gets better 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.879 and how he knows words is like so incredible, and 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:40.000 so I saw an interview with the script supervisor, and 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:41.880 I guess I didn't realize. I knew it was about 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:45.800 continuity and script stuff, and I remember the script supervisor 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:47.399 and survival being like, you need a jacket. 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.439 You're coming from outside. But I didn't put it together. 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.639 But it's her that would be like because in the 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.680 book when he gives Shane his room number, he goes 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.560 twelve twenty one, and I noticed in the show he 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.760 goes one two two one, and I was like, I 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.359 wonder what that was. And it was the fucking script supervisor. 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.360 She's like, your English is too good. She's like, it's 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:07.840 too early. 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:09.919 I'd say twelve twenty one, you would say one two 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:10.440 two one. 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.520 Yeah, And I was just like, holy shit. It was 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.040 someone's fucking job and they did a good job at it, 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:19.080 and I did notice it, and it was just cool 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:20.679 that I caught that interview and the. 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.120 Idea I was that new thing. So script supervisors are 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.680 like the people that are like me on this podcast 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:27.919 looking for the holes like you. 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.320 I'm like, I'm like, would I be good at that job? 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:32.040 Like you have to be like, wait a minute, that 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.840 doesn't really make sense because you're coming from a totally 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:35.480 different place. 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:37.280 Like, no, I had the wrong impression. I was like, 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:39.480 they're the nerds who want me to be script perfect 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:41.639 and I don't want to. Like in my head, I'm like, 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:43.760 get away from me and I'm gonna say whatever I want. 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.159 Yeah, that's so interesting that they have to have like 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.800 the whole does it makes you think it's. 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.879 Just really cool that the like the that good. 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.320 I mean, also, we didn't even mention the fucking oscars 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:56.320 were already at a half hour. 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:58.840 This is a nightmare. And I'm like, I just with 0:21:58.920 --> 0:21:59.560 Ryan Coogler. 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:01.240 It's like with him, it's like the team, it's the 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.679 people together, it's everyone working so hard, it's everything, and 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.160 then his and then everyone talking about him in such 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:10.560 a beautiful way. And I'm just like James Cameron, you 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:13.240 suck right, like no one thinks you're nice, and it's 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.840 like you can make great things and also be beloved 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:17.280 and nurture other people's talent. 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:18.360 And I just love him. 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.440 Yeah, Ryan Coogler is the mushco Hargate I would say 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.480 of the movie world. And like I would, I would 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:26.720 be devastated if like someone comes out and is like 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.359 he doesn't he is mean to me. At the laundromat, 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.520 like I don't know, like I'm gonna be He's just 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:36.240 so like he gives me hope. And I'm gonna watch 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.679 Sinners because now it's too much. Now I gotta watch it. 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:40.720 I'm gonna watch and that weapons one that's like a 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:44.920 big whorry, that's like fucking cool. I love I mean, 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:50.479 I love A. I love A like a later in 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.000 life Hollywood, like she's been working for so long, give 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:55.440 her some flower, Like I love that with Amy Madigan. 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:56.720 Yeah, I think that's great. 0:22:57.040 --> 0:23:02.120 I like he's doing that the lights well, Leo looked 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.600 hot because I watched that Libies and like at the 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:06.639 same time, we looked at each other and we're like whoa. 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.119 And Allison's like, it's he still does it for me. 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:11.119 And then I was with other people and everyone was 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.080 just like like he did something or he's getting ready 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:14.960 for something because he looks fucking good. 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.680 He looked your You know what I've said on this podcast, 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:19.760 Leo doesn't do it for me. 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:21.240 I've said on this podcast. 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:24.800 When they shot came to him during the rose Burn 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.200 thing when she was taught, when he was like no, 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:29.560 I was like, why does he look hot? Like he 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.679 did look good. He's like deep puffed or something. 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.280 Well, the rumor is because he's gonna shoot a Scorsese 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:38.360 movie with Jennifer Lawrence and she's so hot. 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:41.200 Somebody told me that Scorsese retired. 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:46.560 Casey also also Scorsese Pta, and who's the other one. 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.760 They all won their Best Movie Oscars with fucking Leo. 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:55.320 Leo gets the people Oscars. He's their muse. Yeah. 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:57.840 Oh, and James Cameron for Titanic, like he fucking gets 0:23:57.960 --> 0:23:59.200 yeah Oscars. 0:23:59.240 --> 0:23:59.760 He's so good. 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:02.959 Y No Connor and Hudson looks so good. 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:04.520 And I bought new sheets and I bought brown sheets 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:06.040 because he was wearing brown. I was like, maybe I'll 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:07.560 just do brown sheet. 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.800 Noah. They looked like complimentary and they're like sheer those 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.520 like sheer numbers that they were. I had some friends 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.439 that went to those parties and it's just so funny 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.480 because everyone's like it's really just a lot of celebrities 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.399 waiting around in lines like it's people, and like everybody 0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.800 gets to these parties afterwards and they my friend sent 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:25.679 me what they had underneath the seats, and it's like 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:27.840 a Bauga's bag of skinny pop and a water bottle, 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:29.840 Like these people are starving, Like they get to these 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:31.080 parties after then they get. 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:32.879 To go to the chateau for like Beyonce or like 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:36.439 Madonna's parties. Yeah, they have like a good time. Yeah 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:39.159 oh yeah the guy oh Siri party. Oh I have 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:42.000 one more thing I'd like to plug. I went to 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:46.240 a party at club Coming for Underdogs. It's an Audible show. 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:50.600 Drew Anderson and Marshabell Ski. Yes, they've been working five years, 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:52.840 Like I remember the day they both told me they 0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:55.720 got this deal that they're starting to write it. Alan 0:24:55.760 --> 0:25:00.160 Cummings in it BB New Earth, but young young actors 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:01.920 like early twenty maybe teens. 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:04.800 That's sang and they were one of them. Brought me 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:05.240 to tears. 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.280 I was fully crying at the end, like it was 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:11.159 so good and it's about like the kids in a 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.080 school who don't make the play and then they make 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:14.919 their own like play and it's called Underdog. 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:16.600 I love that way. When does it? Is it out 0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:17.320 already out? 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.320 It's out on Audible And it was like and the 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:22.959 live show was so fun. And then Natalie Walker, who's 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:24.960 an incredible singer, she's y and. 0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:27.080 She always she's funny. You should keep. 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.439 Following her, Why have I heard from her? 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:31.280 Maybe she still do it, but to honor like high 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.320 school vibes, she was like, you know, I played Fontine 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:37.399 and ley Miz, but I was such a theater girl 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:39.960 that I, you know, I need to know how she died. 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:42.440 And since it was syphilis, I while I sang the 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.240 last song, I started going blind. And so she's saying 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:48.080 as her high school self, like going blind from syphilis 0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:51.119 as she saying, And it was like, I mean, it 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:53.719 was like the best and I don't know, yeah, so 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.639 if you guys want to do that. It was an 0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:00.240 incredible show. And then Julia listened to it all already 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:01.440 and said it was so fucking good. 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:03.560 So I'm obsessed. 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:06.600 Those don't. I haven't listened to it, but I can 0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.359 attest that Drew Anderson and Marshabelski are two of the 0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:12.919 funniest people, so talented, so and see, yeah, go listen. 0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:15.000 And they love musical theater. It's basically, if you love 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.399 musical theater like you will love this. 0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:19.400 Oh my god, I feel like a lot of our 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:21.000 listeners will be into this. 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.320 All right, this was long. I mean, this was really 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.040 a lot of name drops too. If that's something you 0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:26.560 I know love about what we did. 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.360 It's aust for week and I went to randomly see 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.359 this play. How could I ever have known I was 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.280 going to cross paths with that ass? Wait? 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:36.480 But what else about the I can't believe. Well, it's 0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:38.639 funny because I've made a friend host. And then I 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:40.320 came late and then I had to leave early for 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:42.719 a spot. And then everyone goes, we wouldn't have watched it. 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:44.959 You forced this upon us. Why are you doing this? 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:45.919 And I went, I'm sorry. 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:51.400 Yeah, I watched it at another comedian's house and we 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.680 just I love filling out the ballots because I'm actually 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:58.080 pretty good at the ballots, even in like sound editing 0:26:58.119 --> 0:26:58.760 and crap like that. 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:00.359 I'm just like kind of good at guests. What's going 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:00.720 to well? 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:05.159 I'm also casting was really exciting, and I'm so glad 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.120 that she got to like rib Pta too. 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:10.320 Yeah, it's like crazy, but I had to leave before 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.240 the big I had to leave before all the big announces, unfortunately, 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:14.920 because it's like it was like seven o'clock and I 0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.320 had to get my kids to bed. But like, I 0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:22.080 was really happy for all the people. I guess there 0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:24.919 were that many disappointments best supporting. I was like, not 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:26.080 that down with Sean Penwin. 0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.040 Guess what, He's in fucking Ukraine with Zelensky and gave 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.080 him the oscar Like he's like, oh okay, I know 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:33.720 we all hate him and he's like in fucking Ukraine. 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:35.280 I was talking about him and then someone goes, I 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.920 think he's in Ukraine doing humanitarian aid and I went, well, okay, 0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:39.520 I think. 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:42.359 He'll still be okay, two things can be true. 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:45.600 No, I was gonna say, did you see Wendy what's 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.720 her name not McLevin, what's her name, Wendy mcleey. 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:51.639 Plending Covey. Did you see why she didn't make it 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:53.919 to the oscars? Yeah? She goes, I gotta I got 0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.000 a neck lift and I'm sick of looking like a 0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:56.840 melting candle. 0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:01.240 So that's where I am. There's no bad blood. 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.400 I mean, she's incredible, but that's what everyone was thinking, 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:04.440 like where the fuck's are, bitch? 0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:05.640 Like where the bucks are? 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:05.880 Girl? 0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:10.520 But that was really fun, love her, love her. Before 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:11.119 we get started. 0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.240 I just also want to mention that Exactly Rights web 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:18.320 store is having a spring cleaning sale that starts this Thursday, 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:22.159 March twenty sixth. You can use the code EERM Spring 0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:26.000 twenty six for twenty percent off site wide. 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And we've talked to Samantha Mathis, who's in this. 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:19.800 We talked to her about it with a different episode. 0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:24.280 She's a hero for you, I remember, I love her. Yeah, 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.200 And so we start off and it's an old timey musical. 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:29.240 I think it's an eight track or something, and it 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:33.360 says New York Hustle seventies font green and orange, you 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:38.880 know that perfect seventies color. And are they they they 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.240 sprung for Earthwind and Fire Bookie Wonderland. 0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:44.200 Oh yeah, it is Booky Wonderland. Yep. So that's pretty huge. 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:49.240 Full disco, everyone's dancing colorfull floor short shorts. We follow 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.640 a blonde, curly haired woman and a pimp and they 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.880 walk over to a drug dealer and then she truly 0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:55.440 gets on her knees in the middle of the club 0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:57.960 and is about to start blowing this man. And then 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.160 she sees a badge and screams he's a cop, he's 0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:06.280 a pig, and starts running huge gun situation. Everything's crazy, 0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:11.720 and then obviously cut cut cut. We're we're acting, and 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:15.280 the actor in the leather is pissed about the cut, 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:18.720 and then Bradley Whitford runs out. He's the director, he's 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:22.040 named Frank, and he's pissed too. He's like, how darey 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.120 you fucking not call me for first team rehearsal And 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:27.360 then someone's like, dude, we were behind. But he would 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.240 never do a rehearsal without a director, like that would 0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.760 be psychoed, Like, yeah, it wouldn't even happen without him, 0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:33.600 you know what I mean, like it just wouldn't even happen, 0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:37.160 So I like, I'm not on Frank's side, but I 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:40.880 get Frank being like what are you guys doing, but 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.440 not yelling like that. Then he then he gives off 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.600 very much manager of a restaurant who's never there, but 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:48.320 then shows up to yell at people about things that 0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.920 don't actually matter. So he basically goes, well, now you're 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.840 gonna be further behind because this is all wrong. Rose 0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:56.560 is a whore? What is this pink and then rubs 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.760 the actress's lips, stick off her mouth too in a 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:03.880 sent and then calls it different actor a moron, says, 0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:07.480 can you pretend you're straight for once and take her 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.560 like a man, And then he grabs the actress and 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.720 takes her and starts making out with her and then says, 0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:17.080 you were so hot last night. We're surrounded by idiots. 0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:19.840 He screams, you gotta make her want it. 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:23.920 I need it raw more, smoke more smoke, suck and blow, 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:27.880 suck and blow. You know what sucks? The costumes fucking suck. 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:30.440 They're not the red shorts I picked, and they're like 0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:33.760 you said, bright red. He goes I said, Crimson, And 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.400 then he runs out and he yells about the car. 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.360 The car's too shiny. Then he threatens to kill off 0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:42.479 someone's character. And then a woman in a ballet flat 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:44.719 and tight ass genes, you know what year it is, 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.560 and she goes, I don't think we can kill him, 0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:50.320 and he goes, it's cable, who gives a shit? And 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:56.040 the threat and then threatens you know, more death scene. Oh, 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.320 he goes, you know what about I write a death 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:03.640 scene where you're also questioning your sexuality, so you like, 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:06.200 you're gonna question your sexuality, have gay. 0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:09.080 Sex and then die. So that's the worst death ever 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.680 for an actor, not just to die, but. 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:17.160 To die maybe gay like. So then donal donal logue, 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:19.480 donal logue, you know what's crazy? 0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:21.240 So I was like talk, I was like thinking about 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:23.600 him while I was writing this, and I was like, God, 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:25.520 what a dream guest. I hope we can get him. 0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:27.320 Why hasn't he done the pod? And then I remembered 0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.560 he did the pod. He did the pod, He's done 0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:29.960 the pot. 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.800 We've truly like and then I remember I was talking 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:36.400 and stuff, but I forgot like we've just had so 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.440 many guests and I was like, I can't believe we 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.640 did talk to Donald lug Well, you know Rollin's baby 0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:43.000 daddy undercover Hattie. 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.480 Truly, I wrote in the notes, I wrote, truly one 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:49.360 of my dream guests. Wait, I just realized and remember 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:56.600 we talked to him. Oh my god. Benson's there and 0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:58.760 the view of the city so pretty, and they want 0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.600 to talk to Frank and he's like lol, and they're like, 0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:03.760 it's about your daughter, and he softens and he goes, 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.280 it's Chelsea okay, and Benson goes, well, that's what we're 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:08.680 trying to figure out. And he immediately goes, oh, what 0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:12.000 is this about my ex Catherine? And it's like, why 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:15.200 don't you focus on your daughter? The NYPD is there 0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.320 because of your daughter and your thing is immediately like 0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:20.840 I'm being set up? What did Catherine do? And it's like, 0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:23.920 why are you jumping to that verse? How is my daughter? 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.880 Yeah? To me, it's like, you're guilty. 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.720 Whatever this is, whatever happens, I know you're fucking guilty. 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:34.480 Because that's a crazy response. Donald goes, yes, let's talk 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.240 in private. He goes, what's she accusing me of now? 0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:38.480 And it's like, what if she got into a car? 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:38.880 Accident. 0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:42.040 What if she fell in the playground, Like, why are 0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:47.200 you assuming it's an Like I don't understand. But and 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:51.320 then like Donald is wearing sunglasses, Murphy, but you could 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:54.240 tell he's looking at this guy like your fucking scum U. 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:58.520 But he goes, it wasn't Catherine. It was Chelsea's pediatrician. 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:00.880 And he thinks that she she may be a victim 0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.719 of sexual abuse. And again it's about him, not Oh 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:04.760 my god, what happened to her? 0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:05.240 Is my daughter? 0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:06.520 Okay, it's straight. 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.839 So Catherine said it's me And then he scoffs and goes, 0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:12.840 you're wasting your time. I'm in a custody battle and 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.719 my wife's out of her fucking mind, and you can 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.400 talk to my lawyer. And it's like you still have 0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.759 not asked who, Like what if it was someone else 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:22.560 abusing her? 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:24.480 Yeah? 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:27.720 Why are you asking what the pediatrician found? 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:32.600 I mean, I think I think it's accurately portraying what 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:36.719 a mess this is. That like everybody's just paranoid and 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.319 going at each other and nobody is actually thinking about 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:42.120 the best interest of the child at all. Yeah. 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:47.040 Yeah, So now it cuts to a video of a 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:50.520 young redheaded girl and she's on tape answering questions. So 0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:55.400 Barbara Amaro and Rollins are watching at the DA's office. 0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.400 Do you think the DA and cops watch these offices 0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:00.840 and go, wow, we wish our office look that nice? 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.880 Like do you think they're pissed? And how nice like 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:04.920 teen seasons are? 0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:07.080 Because I feel season one they try to be rugged 0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:11.160 cops and then like, yeah, definitely really had. It's very 0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:14.160 modern now because when I went to one PP it 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:14.839 felt like shit. 0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:18.279 It looked like looked like shit. 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:22.360 So basically, this little redhead of cutie, she's like, you know, 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:25.880 he said that I spilled ice cream on my dress, 0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:27.800 but he spilled the ice cream and we went to 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.200 the laundry room and he took off my clothes and 0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:32.320 then because he had to clean them, but then he 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:34.520 sat her on the washing machine and said it was 0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:37.799 fun the way it moved, and he held her. And 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:41.880 she's a and the prompter of the questions is her mom, 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:46.319 Catherine Summers, who's an actress, divorcing this husband. And the 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:50.040 reason they're getting a divorce is because Frank left her 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:53.759 for her younger sister, Rose, who is a teenager. So 0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:57.040 and the whole episode They're like, Catherine, stop being so upset, 0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:58.920 like you dumb bitch, just get over it. 0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.719 Like no one says seems secure that he's dating an 0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.239 eighteen or nineteen year old at this point that like 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.800 he like, everyone's just like Catherine's such a pill. 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:09.960 Why won't she get over it? And no one's like 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:14.160 why did you? Like, why'd you take the team? Why 0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.840 did you? Everyone's like she's jealous. She's jealous. 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.359 This is like, so are I'm going to get into 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:24.040 it later with the real crime, you know, yeah you will. Okay, 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:28.279 So basically, you know he dated where he left for 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:31.560 the teen sister, and now the teen sister is the arc. 0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:35.080 So like that blonde, curly haired woman that you saw 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:39.560 him kiss on set is a teenager. And yeah, so 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:40.239 that's that. 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.800 Now Catherine made the video and there are multiple time jumps, 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:48.080 so that's of course suspicious to like Tomorrow and Rollins 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:50.560 because they want to defend him. And then Barbara's like, great, 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.960 a high profile mess with a bunch of ego and 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:58.719 like a divorce, Get ready for the media. Circus. Okay, circus, 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:03.160 come into town. Credit he's in woodroom Blinds and Jeffrey 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.960 tambour is his lawyer, who. 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:09.040 I think miss Cobra harassment. 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:13.320 Yes, he's had a harassment, he's had an he's been canceled, 0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:17.000 I would say, due to harassment, bad behavior on sets, 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:18.000 et cetera, et cetera. 0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.600 But he is in this episode and he is the lawyer, 0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:23.879 and Frank is like, yeah, I'm an asshole, but I'm 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:27.520 not a pedophile. This is all Catherine. And then Murphy's like, 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:29.960 well you did fuck her little sister. And he's like, well, 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:32.800 we're in love. And the lawyer starts talking about punishing 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:36.239 the pediatrician for a false report, and it's like, what, No, 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.240 we need doctors reporting, like you cannot sue the doctor 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:43.600 for like I would rather doctors go above and beyond 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:46.800 and be wrong about abuse instead of letting it fucking 0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:50.440 go right. And Benson's like, okay, we just need your 0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:52.319 side about how we you know, that's how we're going 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.799 to start. So you were in Chelsea, were together at 0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.880 your ex wife's apartment and he goes, yeah, I'm her father, 0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.359 and the Tibetan nanny was and it's like such an 0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:06.080 old person thing that, like why wouldn't you just say nanny? Yeah, 0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:09.520 so weird. It's like cool, but I don't get it. 0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:12.839 So her son Danny was there. Benson says, Chelsea said, 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:16.239 you played perverted games and he says, nope, Catherine told 0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:20.040 her to say that. Catherine's borderline. She has cats, bunnies, 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:24.520 sixteen straight dogs. She's nuts. And Murphy's like, okay, so 0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:26.720 yes or no? Did you assault your daughter? And he says, 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:29.279 if I wanted to assault my daughter, why wouldn't I 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:31.800 wait to get custody and then have her to myself? 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:35.240 And it's like, you're a pedophile to even think that. Yeah, 0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:38.160 and don't they do that, Like if someone says, like you, 0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:40.440 you're a pedophile, you would go that's disgusting. 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.239 No, I'm not. This is fucked. You don't go. 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:45.359 I mean, if I was a pedophile, don't you think 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:45.880 I would. 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:47.959 Have done it like this? Wouldn't I have been smarter? Yeah? 0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:51.120 I didn't do it, but if I did? The OJ book, Yeah, 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.200 it's so strange to me. All these answers, and he 0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:57.080 does it a few times throughout this episode, and the 0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:01.360 lawyer says that's a no. Benson's like, so what happened? 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:03.319 He goes, we were playing chess and they're like in 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.200 the laundry room. He goes, I don't go in the 0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:08.760 laundry room. No, no, no, there's spiders in there. Everyone 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:11.400 knows I'm scared of spiders. And it's like, okay. 0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:14.960 The detectives go to meet Barbara, Amaro and Murphy are 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:19.040 like playing like dick competition games and like peacocking for Rollins, 0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:22.400 and everyone's like wanting to fuck Rollins, but they say, like, 0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:26.360 the dude didn't deny anything, really, and he used distancing language, 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:29.799 and he never said Chelsea's name or looked at her 0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:33.319 photo and had an answer for everything and again did 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.520 not deny it. And Benson's like, go to the apartment, 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:39.160 talk to the nanny, make sure she's from Tibet, and 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:46.080 then talk to the ex wife, the daughter, the son. 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.360 There's a son, Like, let's go, so we need a 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:52.640 warrant for the laundry room. Though everyone scadatles, Rollins stays 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.719 to talk to Murphy and she, of course is like 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.719 there to defend a man, and she goes, Frank does 0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:58.560 hate spiders. 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:00.520 It's like, why the fuck do you you know that? 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.280 So now we're at a big white house and Samantha 0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:09.200 Mathis is holding a gorgeous husky puppy, holy shit, and 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:13.480 she explains that Frank is obsessed with Chelsea, which I 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.840 guess for her father is okay, but for a pedophile 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:20.040 not okay. So Amaro pet's the dog. And then they 0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:22.359 need Chelsea to talk, but that's why she made the tape. 0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:24.400 And they're like, well, to pursue the case, and she 0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:26.600 stops them, like I don't want to pursue it, and 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:30.239 they're confused, but like the state can do it without 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:32.399 her as well, and we can also like tell child 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:35.640 services what's up. And she screams, I'm a good mother 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:37.920 and I love my daughter, and Benson's like, right, exactly, 0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:39.480 So let me talk to Chelsea. We all need to 0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:42.200 keep her safe, and she does agree. So they're at 0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:45.000 a long dining room table. She does keep looking at 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.719 her mom before she talks, but also this is like 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:49.960 huge and scary, so maybe she wants to be with 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:50.319 her mom. 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:51.520 She's an incredible actress. 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:53.920 She looks so sad, but she says her and her 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:57.839 father play pretend cops and bad girls, Okay, disgusting. Every 0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:00.759 time she talks, she looks off to her mom, and 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:02.760 she says that her dad said, if I can memorize 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:04.480 a story and lines I can be in one of 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:07.360 his shows. Amorrow's like, you know the difference between truth 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:09.840 and pretend? And they do this to every fucking child 0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:13.120 and she says mm hm, but not very convincing, and 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:14.759 they want the mom out of the room. She doesn't 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:16.839 want to leave, and Benson's like, we'll be good, get 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:19.960 the fuck out of here. The mom rubs Chelsea's shoulders 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:22.040 on the way out, and Tomorrow like walks her way, 0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.520 walks her away. If Amorrow told me to go anywhere, 0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:27.640 I'd go, like, I don't understand why she's arguing, like 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:31.000 go with Amorrow. Benson's like, okay, we saw the video 0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.640 you and your mom made that was real or pretend? 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:35.839 And she and that's like such a great way to ask. 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:39.680 Benson is amazing, and she says it's real and she's like, 0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:42.480 did your mom ask you to remember lines? And she goes, no, 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:45.040 she told me to say what really happened? And I 0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:49.840 trust this little girl. So Amorrow and Catherine are talking 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.839 and then nanny led him into the house, not her, 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:57.360 and she was at a matinee with her sister Mavis. 0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:59.520 And this is not Rose. She's not speaking of Rose. 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:02.480 Obviously that's the one with Frank. This Mavis is a 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:05.520 middle sister and she's visiting from Oregon. She's not famous 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.560 at all, and he asked the question about Frank and 0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:12.480 Catherine Nail's back. Frank does what Frank wants. She explains 0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:14.800 that of course there's a set schedule, but he doesn't 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:18.280 pay any attention to it. Tomorrow is so smooth and sexy. 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:20.680 I would truly give him my Social Security and pin 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:22.200 number in a heart beat. 0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:25.080 And I can't believe we talked to him. Great guest, 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:26.720 great guest, good face. 0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.320 So she's true, he's got my pin number. I already 0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.360 gave it. I chatted out to him during the interview. 0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:36.120 I was like, just keep this just in case, wanting 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:39.400 to have this. Okay, So how this all started? 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.480 As Chelsea said her vagina hurt and Tomorrow is like, 0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:44.680 is that your words are hers? And she goes hers, 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.200 I took her to the doctor. So then Finn is 0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:50.640 there and Finn is with the nanny and he goes, bitch, 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:51.279 I know you smoke. 0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:53.319 Were you smoking? And she's like, fuck, yeah, that's my 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:53.799 one vice. 0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:57.520 And mister Maddox understands and so he let me go smoke, 0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:00.839 and then nanny has no good answer, but saw them 0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:03.040 come out of the laundry room and Chelsea had her 0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:06.000 dress on but it was unbuttoned, and she went in 0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:08.120 there wearing tights, and then when she came out, she 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:11.239 was wearing no tights. So he definitely let like sent 0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:13.520 her out to go smoke so he can assault his 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:16.080 daughter in the laundry room. And she fucking saw the 0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:18.960 tights be gone, like we all saw this. So Rollins 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:20.680 is with Daniel, the son, and they're playing with a 0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:24.239 basketball mini size, like a bedroom hoop. And he was 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:26.640 at the country house, so he was not there for this. 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:30.560 And Daniel likes soccer and his dad doesn't, and you know, 0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:34.640 he's like weird, and the basically the dad doesn't pay 0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.200 attention to the sun at all, and he thinks it's 0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:39.239 based on soccer, but it's basically based on being a pedophile. 0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:43.400 So Daniel said that his father says boys are dirty, 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.760 and he likes girls and dressing them up and making 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:49.319 them do what he says, and Rollin goes what And 0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:52.160 he goes, yeah, Chelsea, mom aunt Rose, so all of 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:56.000 his little actresses. It's strange, right, And Rollins is like, yeah, 0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.359 but it's his job. It's fine, right, and he goes, yeah, 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:01.400 I mean he's that Chelsea can be in his show, 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.719 but not him because boys don't play dress up, and 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:07.720 Rollin's goes, how am I gonna spin this to protect 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:08.080 the man? 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:08.719 You know what I mean? 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.120 He's like she's sitting there being like, how am I 0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:15.719 gonna invalidate this child? And then the boy continues that 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.160 his nanny feels bad for him, and then we're at 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:22.440 the precinct, so Murphy's in the middle. He looks like 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:25.560 a disheveled scientist and he's like, the mom thinks the 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:27.680 dad is an abuser, and the dad thinks the mom 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:28.320 is crazy. 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:29.440 What did the girl say? 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:31.760 And the girl said that her and the dad played 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:33.440 a game and he took off her dress, touched her 0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:35.319 vaginally and told her it was a secret. Like what 0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:37.879 are we even fucking talking about? And Rollin's goes, well, 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:41.680 is the mom credible? And Amaro goes she's got some issues, 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:45.000 and Finn says, doesn't mean the girl wasn't abused, and 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.600 Murphy says, either way, she's a pawn in the game 0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:51.040 between these two, and Rollin says yeah, and the stakes 0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.600 have just Risen. Someone just leaked nude photos of Rose. 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.000 So Frank took all these photos of Rose when she 0:44:57.120 --> 0:45:00.000 was eighteen, and Benson says that she looks much younger 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.440 than that, so it's like, are we arresting him for 0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:06.439 child abuse images? Amaro says this proves she is out 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:10.600 to get him, and he thinks Catherine leaked them without 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:13.880 a doubt in his mind. And so then Murphy goes, Okay, 0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:17.280 then there's no point in sending you to ask her, huh? 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:20.440 And I really really love that. Finn and Rollins go 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.240 and it's a media circus. The non famous sister opens 0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:25.799 the door, Chelsea and Catherine are there, but they send 0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.239 Chelsea off, and Catherine's like, I'm so sick about this, 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:30.480 but I guess it was bound to fucking happen. I 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:32.960 had a strict rule to never allow them alone together, 0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:36.040 and so I set up nanny cams and that's how 0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:39.879 she even saw the like about the Rose situation. And 0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.799 so Frank knew about the nanny cams and knew there 0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:45.239 wasn't one in the laundry room, so Frank knows about them. 0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:46.600 That's how she found out Rose. 0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:49.200 And she's trying to protect her daughter, Chelsea, and I 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:52.359 believe Catherine. And Catherine points to the press and goes, 0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:55.360 look at all these fucking vultures, and she's like, Frank 0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:59.320 did this. He did this to humiliate me. And instead 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.959 of TMZ, they call it LMZ LOL. But they only 0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:06.800 have print copies of the photos. They can't get a jpeg. 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:09.200 So if they had a jpeg, they could see when 0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:11.279 it's created. And she's like, you think if I had 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:13.680 a jpeg, like I wouldn't have used it in the divorce. 0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:17.200 He would be sleeping in his tesla, she says. So 0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:20.440 they go talk to Rose and she calls her sad 0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:23.200 and she should let go, and Benson's like, let go 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:26.000 that her sister and husband are sleeping together, like without 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:28.600 their teenager thing, that would still be grounds to not 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:32.799 speak together, you know what I mean. And so they're 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:36.160 on set and Frank told her that their love would 0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:39.080 cost her her relationship with her sister, and that's just 0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:43.080 what happens with older siblings. At first it's all about them, 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.160 and then the younger sister throws them out of orbit. 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:48.360 But she hopes that one day she can move on 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.480 with time. So we're in cement room bars. I mean, 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:53.520 she's going to turn thirty one day and realize that 0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:55.319 she was groomed and it's going to be really hard 0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:58.160 for her in therapy. But Frank thinks this is ridiculous, 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:02.640 and when he brings up his fiance, Murphy interrupts him 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:05.319 and goes, well, your fiance graduated high school last year, 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:08.000 and Benson says that his hair was found in the 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.640 laundry room of his ex wife's apartment. He goes, sure, 0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.440 I'm sure my hair's everywhere, all over my clothes, her 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:16.120 clothes everywhere, and they go not that type of hair. 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:18.000 So it's a pube. 0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:21.359 He goes, I'm sure Catherine planted it, like she's obsessed. 0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:23.600 And he goes, well, your fingerprints were all over the 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:26.840 laundry machine too, Did she plant those? And he's like, fine, 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:28.799 I admit it. You know I was there, and it's like, 0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:31.880 I thought you were scared of fucking spiders. So it 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.439 cuts to rollin she's at home, she's with her dog, 0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:36.480 and it's like a really long shot of her just 0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:39.640 with the dog and I really like it and it's cute, 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:43.160 and then she's watching Heraldo Rivera talk about the case 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:47.120 and they're talking Frank, Catherine pedophile, YadA YadA, YadA, revenge, 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:49.880 and then Amaro comes out in a fucking towel, abs 0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:50.759 arms back. 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:53.360 Oh, I've been waiting for this episode. I'm like, what 0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:56.279 episode is that where he's in the towel. Yep, here 0:47:56.320 --> 0:48:01.240 we go. We really we so rarely get gifted in SVU, 0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:05.120 like a hot bod that's not murdered or in trouble 0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:09.440 or like being trapping. Yeah, so it's just so nice 0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:12.399 to see him in a towel and he goes, yep, 0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:15.400 Frank is firing back. Murphy was right, and he says 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:18.880 she's manipulating the kids. Catherine and Chelsea show up to 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:20.959 set and it's like, babe, can you leave your daughter 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:23.120 at home? Like, leave her at home? Why are you 0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:23.879 bringing her here? 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:27.400 She's gonna be so embarrassed, Like she's embarrassed. She was 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:30.319 like assults it by her father and now you're like 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:33.759 doing these weird things. So and Catherine's crying and Rose goes, 0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:35.520 are you drunk? And she goes, I've never been more 0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:38.360 clear headed in my life. And Rose says we should talk, 0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:40.360 and then we see Frank's in the back and he 0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.560 makes this like a symbol with his hands to like 0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:45.920 start rolling. So now they're like taping Catherine having this 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:49.080 like full mental breakdown, which is warranted, and she's like 0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:52.120 Frank took her into the laundry room and sexually abused her. 0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:54.799 And she's pointing at Chelsea and it's like, so the 0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:56.960 whole set you have to point at the child and 0:48:57.000 --> 0:48:58.160 be like she was abused. 0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:01.799 This makes no sense. All these people and you're taping it. 0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.359 It's like, so fucked up. Yeah, the dad's taping it, 0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:05.560 the mom's doing it. 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:08.120 These are This is very much like the Hayden Paneter 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:13.399 abuse episode of like these narcissist already parents and so 0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:17.880 and now okay, so then now Frank goes behind Chelsea 0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:21.239 and rubs her shoulder and Catherine puts her hand to 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:25.520 her face and shock. Chelsea looks uncomfortable and upset. She goes, mom, 0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:28.200 can we go please? And she's about to cry. And 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:30.520 this little girl again, best sad face I've ever seen. 0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:33.920 And there's a long line of sad face actresses of 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:37.400 this of this series, and I will say she is top. 0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:39.759 She would be nominated for the sad face. She's a 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:40.840 good sad little kid. 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:43.880 I was looking her up and the squad is watching 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.120 this on the laptop and it's like, so this is 0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:49.680 the woman concerned with her daughter's privacy, okay, And she 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:52.400 busts in again with her daughter into the precinct and 0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:57.440 the non famous sister and leave the child at home again. 0:49:57.920 --> 0:49:59.920 Does the daughter have to go back to the police. 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:01.280 It's nuts. 0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:05.360 So then she wants to press charges. She's done, let's 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:08.120 go all the way. Something has to be done. So 0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:10.360 now we're in a room with a camera and Barbara's 0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:13.840 talking in court through a TV screen and then Chelsea's 0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:17.400 being videotaped here and basically she's like, he touched me, 0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.480 he kissed me, and you know, she drew in a 0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:23.520 drawing that she made for Benson where he touched and 0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:27.400 kissed her. And I really like Barbara talking to kids. 0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:31.560 And then Tambour lawyer, his name is Lester, Hello, Lester 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:34.880 than molester, and so he calls her a good girl. 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:36.000 Disgusting. 0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:38.840 I hate that, and he's implying that the mom is 0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:41.360 telling her what to say. And Catherine's now on the 0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:43.960 stand and she's explaining how Chelsea came to her and 0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:46.799 said her vagina her and that daddy played with her 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:49.919 down there, and Benson's like staring down Frank. She hates him, 0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:52.200 and Catherine's like, yeah, this sucks. I don't want this 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.360 to be true. I don't you know that my spouse 0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:57.360 would do this, especially after sleeping with my teen's sister. 0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:00.960 And it's like objection relevance and it's like, hello, a 0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:04.759 pattern of being a pedophile, you weirdo. The judge allows it. 0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:07.600 He was her brother in law and knew her since 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:10.759 she was a toddler. The connection is obsession with both 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:13.319 of them around the same age. And then she talks 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:16.799 about grooming, and then Lester says, move to strike an 0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:20.279 alienated wife is not an expert witness, and that is 0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:23.360 like a pretty sick line. So then Barbara does a 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:26.040 good job. But now it's time for cross. So he 0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:28.000 starts by saying that he was always a fan of 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:30.120 her being an actress, and he says, like, you know 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:33.920 all the things you're talking about with Frank, huggs, kisses, tickles, 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:36.279 that's normal dad stuff. And she goes, sure, but I 0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:38.319 have a son. He never touches or plays with him. 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:41.680 And he then implies it's revenge for this relationship and 0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:45.160 the relationship with Rose and she's like, yeah, I hate him. 0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:46.120 I'm angry at him. 0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:49.520 This isn't like why I took her to the doctor, Like, 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:51.600 I don't know why you're trying to connect this and 0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:54.680 there's no connecting. And then not famous sister is watching 0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:57.760 in the galley and he shows her a porcelain figurine 0:51:57.840 --> 0:51:59.319 she sent to Frank and it's a woman with her 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:01.080 heart being ripped out and there's like blood all over 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:03.600 and it's like, okay, so she sent him a statue like, 0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:06.480 I don't think it's that crazy. She was left for 0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:09.320 her teen's sister, Like, I just don't understand why she's. 0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:10.200 Not allowed to be pissed. 0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:11.360 Yep. 0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.040 The way they're spinning this is so nuts to me. 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:16.640 I'm sure she wanted revenge, but it doesn't mean she 0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:19.680 would do this to Chelsea, you know. And he goes 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:22.279 But here we are, and it's like everyone is sad. 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:24.400 But now the nanny's on the stand and she lies 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:27.080 for Frank. She says that all they did was play chess, 0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:28.760 and she talks about meditation. 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:30.560 This is probably why they did the Tibet stuff. 0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:33.400 So she meditates and she focuses on the present, not 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:36.320 the past, and so she can't really attest to anything 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:39.960 she said to Finn at all and doesn't remember anything 0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:42.600 the tights nothing like, you know, she's like that girl 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:45.400 loves her father. And now they're in the hallway and 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:47.920 the non famous sister goes, that's it. Frank gets what 0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:51.719 he wants because everything's for sale, and Barba is like, 0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:54.200 she's Tibetan for all we know, he talked to the 0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:56.799 fucking dolly Lama and it's like such a crux of 0:52:56.840 --> 0:52:59.920 this episode. So then Benson stops and goes, hold on, 0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:01.960 what do you mean? He always gets what he wants, 0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:05.120 and she is like, connections, fame, people bend the rules 0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:07.600 for him, and she's pissed that she you know that, 0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:11.200 like Chelsea is in this type of situation. She's like Catherine, 0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.560 what the fuck? Why would you do this? And Catherine's like, well, 0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:18.280 what about me? And she's like, he made you a star. 0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:20.839 You actually believe that people can think that you didn't 0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:24.200 know what kind of man he was, and Catherine is stunned. 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:28.279 The detectives in Barba are uncomfortable to witness this, and 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:31.239 so now we're at work, there's so many character witnesses, 0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:35.520 like it sucks, like oh, he's the best. She's crazy, 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:39.480 he's a national treasure and Rollins just doesn't see it, 0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:43.040 and Finn goes he is guilty. Murphy asks to talk 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:47.800 to Rollin's alone in the office and basically confronts her 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:50.560 about her pick me vibes. So why are you protecting 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.200 Frank and she's like, I don't like to see innocent 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:55.920 men get railroaded. But then she brings up the music 0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:59.560 teacher and that was Billy Porter and he didn't do 0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:01.520 anything wrong. So she's like, well, why are you even 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:05.080 asking me? And he says, you've had complicated relationships with 0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:08.600 older male mentors Atlanta Cragan. She says, what was so 0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:12.160 complicated with Craigan and Murphy responds that they found a 0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:15.520 dead hooker in his bed. You tell me, and she's like, 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:18.640 he was set up and then he says, probably how 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:20.600 about your dad and she goes, yeah, he did a 0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:21.400 little gambling. 0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:22.920 He goes, did he get into trouble? 0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.080 She says, yeah, but mostly with my mom, who wrote 0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:27.399 his ass and nagged him until he had to leave, 0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:29.719 and he asks if she has a blind spot when 0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:32.240 it comes to men in power, and she is pissed. 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:36.560 She has a pissed soft face and says nothing. If 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:39.759 a dude I casually fucked then then impregnated me said 0:54:39.800 --> 0:54:41.200 this to me, I would murder him. 0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:44.279 Ah. I don't know if she's been Yeah, I don't 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:47.120 think he's impregnated her yet I can't believe she fucked him. 0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:51.080 After this, I was pissed, Well, do you have an 0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:52.160 issue with men in power? 0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:55.880 Fuck me? Proves his point, like she proves it, like, 0:54:56.600 --> 0:55:00.279 oh my god, all right, Frank's on the stage and 0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:03.040 he's like, listen, the bitch is old. 0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:03.600 She's mad. 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:05.759 She's old. You know, she was my muse and now 0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:08.040 she has to do old hag parts. And it is 0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:12.400 what it is. She's lying about me being a pedophile. 0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:14.920 I'm a good guy. And you know what, Catherine, I 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.840 know it's been hard for you. This is like really hard, 0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:20.640 but it's sad you had to drag Chelsea into this. 0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:23.360 I love my child and I would do nothing to 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:26.360 harm her. And this is you know, this charge is 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:28.920 out there and that's the worst thing for me. This 0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:29.920 is bad for me. 0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:33.480 And he does a whole monologue, but he plays dressed 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:34.320 up with his daughter. 0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:38.279 She's a brilliant actor. She's playing a part that's just 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:42.279 written by her mother, and that's the issue. It's so rehearsed, 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:46.800 and then apologizes to Catherine Benson scoffs, I can't believe 0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:48.839 there's no objection, but I guess we have to watch 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:51.640 Bradley Woodford work like there's a reason he's here. And 0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:53.760 he's like, I would never hurt my daughter, and again 0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:56.600 being weird, why would I risk everything that I've accomplished 0:55:57.320 --> 0:56:00.279 or I'm not a pedophile, So I would never do that, 0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:02.520 whether I've accomplished a lot or not, you know what 0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:02.879 I mean. 0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:05.960 And also it's like nobody asks themselves that because they 0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:08.160 know they're not because they've accomplished so much, they're not 0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:10.759 gonna get punished. I don't think they're all worried about 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:13.200 risking their accomplishments. There. They want to see how far 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:17.680 they can go a lot of the time, Yeah, yeah, 0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:22.239 so whatever, and he goes, I'm not a pedophile. 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:26.960 Murphy goes, fuck, you know, that was great acting. That's 0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:30.160 better acting than on any of his shows. He fucking 0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:32.440 charmed them, and Barbara goes, don't worry. When I get 0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:35.080 done with him, it won't matter, and then Benson's like 0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:37.480 Mavis the middle sister wasn't there. I'm gonna go talk 0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:40.120 to her. So they go to Catherine's apartment. She didn't 0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:41.600 want to go to court because she didn't want to 0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:44.719 keep hearing Frank slies. So she was twelve when him 0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:47.080 and Catherine got married. And then she sits down and 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:50.520 after a few leading questions, finally gets to like, hey, 0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:52.960 did Frank do something to you? And she doesn't. She 0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:54.759 says it doesn't even matter if he did. He's getting 0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:56.920 away with everything, and Benson goes, he doesn't have to. 0:56:57.360 --> 0:57:00.040 You love Chelsea, protect her. You can protect her and 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:02.239 court on the stand, and she's like so many his 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:05.000 lawyers can call me crazy and ridicule me. No thanks, 0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:09.200 And Benson's eyeliner is so perfect and awesome in the scene, smoldering. 0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:11.920 And then we see her on the news style program 0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:14.880 Mavis the non famous sister. I guess, yeah, So she's 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:18.240 wearing all red and she's doing an interview. She goes, 0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:21.160 I've been dealing with this for eighteen years, and she 0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:24.040 explains that when she was thirteen that Frank gave her 0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:25.920 a part in one of his shows and if she 0:57:26.000 --> 0:57:28.760 did well, she could do more because after she taped 0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:30.640 the episode, she was at a party at one of 0:57:30.640 --> 0:57:34.400 Frank's producer's houses and there was a bunch of famous 0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:37.280 actors there a lot of attention, and right away he's like, 0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:39.000 you want to go in the hot tub, and she's 0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:41.600 struggling to speak. Her eyes are getting glassy as she 0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:44.400 explains that he put his hands under her bathing suit, 0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:46.960 inside of her and then raped her and said, how 0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:50.640 all this? And then he said all his leading ladies 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:53.480 got their roles this way. And she was thirteen and 0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:55.840 believed him, and Catherine loved him, and he took care 0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:58.920 of her whole family, and she saw it happen with Rose, 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:01.440 and she tried to warn but Rose kept saying that 0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:04.120 you're just jealous. And it's like, of what, I guess 0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:06.240 he's famous. I'm like of a like not I mean, 0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:10.160 Bradley Whitford is hot, but like this guy is not hot. 0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:11.640 I like, you know what I. 0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:16.960 Mean, m liked Why would Mavis be so jealous of Rose? 0:58:17.040 --> 0:58:21.080 It's like such manipulation and stuff. But yeah, but then 0:58:21.360 --> 0:58:23.720 and so basically, she also didn't want Catherine to know, 0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:27.720 and then Catherine didn't want to know. And then she 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:30.440 says she saw the photos of Rose and she found that, 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:31.760 and she's the one that leaked them. 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:33.200 She's like, I had to do something. 0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:36.480 He won't stop, he's hurting my niece, and everyone just 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:39.600 looked the other way. She's fully crying. Now, all those 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:42.800 people that sat in silence and watched our Frank's accomplices, 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:47.040 If you think talent negates responsibility, you're just as guilty 0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:49.040 as Frank. And she doesn't want to be one of 0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:51.960 those people anymore. She didn't make it up, she didn't 0:58:52.000 --> 0:58:54.040 imagine it, and he knows what he did. And she 0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:57.000 says this looking directly into the camera. So now we're 0:58:57.040 --> 0:59:00.000 in chambers and Lester's like, hey, my my dude can't 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:02.200 get a fair trial. And the judge goes, I don't care. 0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:05.520 Barba's gonna cross examine like we're doing it, and he goes, well, actually, 0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:07.240 I don't even think my client's going to be here, 0:59:07.240 --> 0:59:09.080 and she's like, okay, well he can be found guilty 0:59:09.120 --> 0:59:10.560 and of sentia, like I don't give a fuck, but 0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:13.960 produce him. Where is he And he's like I don't 0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:17.440 think I can. So he's fled the fucking country and 0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:20.240 Barbara goes, well, I'm willing to wave cross and goes 0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:23.680 straight to summation, and Barbara turns and says, and I 0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:26.280 won't imply him fleeing is proof of guilt because that 0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:29.760 would be wrong. Right, So the trial's going on, and 0:59:29.800 --> 0:59:32.520 now tomorrow's in the office. Frank turned up and he's 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:36.640 in fucking France. Rollin's being a fucking idiot, says, the 0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:39.680 court has his passport. How did he fly? It's like 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:43.840 he's rich, you dumb bitch. Private jet, private jet, dual citizenship. 0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:47.240 So he has dual citizenship, and Finn says, live from Paris, 0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:50.320 and yeah, he's doing an interview. He says, they have 0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:53.560 a vendetta. Everyone's jealous of me. And it's like, you 0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:57.080 are fucking your wife's teen daughter, I mean, sister, all 0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:57.400 of it. 0:59:57.480 --> 1:00:00.320 Everyone. I don't know what to say, the sister less 1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:02.240 than the daughter, Like what the fuck? 1:00:02.760 --> 1:00:05.040 He goes A man can be accused with no evidence 1:00:05.080 --> 1:00:08.120 and vilified. And it's like your pube was found, you 1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:11.439 lied about being in the laundry room. And then Rose 1:00:11.480 --> 1:00:14.560 speaks and goes, it's not true. If those things were true, 1:00:14.680 --> 1:00:17.400 I would not be here. Frank is an artist and 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:21.120 my hero, and Murphy goes, ugh, this is a sideshow nightmare. 1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:24.000 But we're back in court. He is found guilty and 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:27.120 the press is, you know, gonna be all over like 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:29.320 the women, and so they're gonna do an escort. 1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:30.720 So Murphy gets them an escort. 1:00:31.200 --> 1:00:34.920 They help him get like into the building, the apartment building, 1:00:35.360 --> 1:00:38.520 and Catherine thanks Benson and it seems like legit and 1:00:38.600 --> 1:00:40.520 she goes, and then Benson says, just take care of 1:00:40.520 --> 1:00:43.440 your daughter, and she does a little interview while holding 1:00:43.480 --> 1:00:44.200 Chelsea's hand. 1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:50.040 Again, let the girl be I just I can't. 1:00:50.080 --> 1:00:53.920 So basically Catherine goes, you know, he's a convicted felon 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:56.040 in the eyes of the court, and we want privacy, 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:59.920 and Benson and Chelsea make intense eye contact while Benson 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:02.840 it talks about her family tragedy with Amorrow. She's like 1:01:02.880 --> 1:01:05.360 looking at this girl while talking shit about her. So 1:01:05.480 --> 1:01:07.600 it's like, if he's a peto, it's good he's gone. 1:01:07.920 --> 1:01:09.960 And if it's fake, then Chelsea lives with a full 1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:12.960 blown narcissist that told her to lie. And she says, 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:15.520 either way, God help that child. And then it's like 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:18.160 just a close up of Chelsea's face with flashes from 1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:21.480 all the media cameras on her little sad face and 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:24.960 that's stick wolf baby, And obviously I can't. 1:01:25.280 --> 1:01:26.960 I can't. I want to know what you have to say. 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:32.920 Yeah, I swore that this girl, Chelsea, who's played by 1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:36.200 an actress named Claire Foley, she just seems so familiar 1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:37.880 to me, like I'd seen her in another SVU, but 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:40.840 this is the only one she's done. But I'm looking 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:43.000 out for her. I feel like she's gonna she didn't 1:01:43.120 --> 1:01:53.400 see her more stuff. Yeah, she was really great. Okay, 1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:58.640 So obviously, very obviously this is based on Woody Allen. 1:01:59.040 --> 1:02:01.640 It's kind of wild. The show was on air for 1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:06.400 fifteen years before they fucked with the Woody Allen stuff 1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:10.000 because all the Woody Allen stuff really like went down 1:02:10.600 --> 1:02:14.120 previous to the show even coming on the air. But 1:02:14.240 --> 1:02:17.040 then I would say around the time of this episode, 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:20.520 which is what year again, twenty fourteen, is when a 1:02:20.520 --> 1:02:22.600 lot of stuff kicked back up. So I think that's 1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:25.760 why they're tackling it at this time. So Woody Allen 1:02:26.240 --> 1:02:29.880 obviously fame director. He was forty five. 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:33.560 Married his stepdaughter, and everyone's okay with it. It's crazy, 1:02:34.000 --> 1:02:35.880 sorry to scream, but yeah, it's upsetting. 1:02:36.120 --> 1:02:40.200 Yes, yes, he was forty five and nineteen eighty when 1:02:40.240 --> 1:02:43.360 he started dating Mia Farrow, who was thirty five, and 1:02:43.560 --> 1:02:46.920 Mia Faraoh had previously been married to Frank Sinatra for 1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:49.600 two years. She had previously been married to a man 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:53.520 named Andre Previn, and she had six kids with Andre Previn, 1:02:54.400 --> 1:02:57.960 three biological children, three adopted, including sun Ye Previn, who 1:02:58.000 --> 1:03:02.840 was adopted from Korea. Sun Yi's like background in Korea 1:03:02.960 --> 1:03:07.000 is like very like fuzzy, like nobody really knows. Like 1:03:07.040 --> 1:03:08.640 she was apparently found on the street and then was 1:03:08.680 --> 1:03:11.280 taken to an orphanage. She doesn't really have a lot 1:03:11.320 --> 1:03:14.400 of memory about her mother, but like she says, me 1:03:14.440 --> 1:03:16.320 and Pharah would always be like, tell everyone your mom 1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:18.840 was a prostitute, and like tell everyone about your hard beginnings, 1:03:18.880 --> 1:03:20.840 and like she didn't really want to do that because 1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:25.680 she didn't have those memories. But she it's it's a 1:03:25.680 --> 1:03:30.000 little bit weird because they don't really know Suni's actual age, 1:03:30.440 --> 1:03:34.240 Like they can like sort of date it that she 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:38.040 was between five and seven when Mia adopted her, and 1:03:38.120 --> 1:03:39.840 so I think they would say six, but like her 1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:42.280 age is a little bit like up for debate. So 1:03:43.240 --> 1:03:47.560 when Woody Allen and Mia Farrow got together, she adopted. 1:03:47.600 --> 1:03:52.640 She also had two adopted children, Dylan and Moses, who 1:03:52.720 --> 1:03:55.000 would he then co adopted in nineteen ninety one, but 1:03:55.000 --> 1:03:58.760 they were previously adopted by Mia Farrow. So Woody Allen 1:03:58.800 --> 1:04:01.920 and Mia Farah had one by logical child together, Satchel, 1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:05.880 who was known today as Ronan Pharaoh, who many people, 1:04:06.080 --> 1:04:11.440 including Ronan himself joke, is not actually Woody Farah Alan's son, 1:04:11.800 --> 1:04:14.760 and is actually Frank Sinatra's son, to whom Mia Farah 1:04:14.800 --> 1:04:17.439 was briefly married from sixty six to sixty eight. Even 1:04:17.480 --> 1:04:20.880 Mia Farah herself told Danity Fair he could be Sinatra's child, 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:23.560 saying they never really broke up, so they were clearly 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:27.400 having like affairs after they were not married anymore. Ronan 1:04:27.440 --> 1:04:29.920 was born in nineteen eighty seven, which was smack in 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:32.720 the middle of her relationship with Woody Allen and Woody 1:04:32.720 --> 1:04:34.400 Allen's like, I like to think he's my son. 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.000 Is it possibly? He's not sure anyway. 1:04:37.960 --> 1:04:40.960 When Alan and Farah got together, sun Yee Previn was 1:04:41.000 --> 1:04:44.000 ten years old, like I said, her mother had adopted 1:04:44.040 --> 1:04:46.480 her from Korea at age five or six. According to 1:04:46.520 --> 1:04:49.680 Sun Yee, they her and her mother were like oil 1:04:49.720 --> 1:04:53.200 and water, like she doesn't remember feeling any maternal feelings 1:04:53.240 --> 1:04:56.000 from Mia Pharaoh. She has really nothing good to say 1:04:56.000 --> 1:04:58.280 about growing up with her as a mother. She says 1:04:58.400 --> 1:05:01.000 she and her adopted siblings were treat like maids. They 1:05:01.000 --> 1:05:04.280 did the shopping, the cooking, the cleaning, and did a lot. 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:06.240 They were really self sufficient and just did like a 1:05:06.240 --> 1:05:11.440 lot of stuff for the family. And she doesn't speak 1:05:11.560 --> 1:05:14.920 fondly of her mom. I mean, she has said stuff 1:05:14.960 --> 1:05:17.720 like I'm grateful obviously that she adopted me from an 1:05:17.800 --> 1:05:20.600 orphanage and like gave me a better life, but like 1:05:20.640 --> 1:05:22.880 she did not feel a lot of parental warmth from 1:05:23.360 --> 1:05:25.080 Mia Pharaoh and didn't feel like they had like a 1:05:25.120 --> 1:05:30.760 great connection. Moses also later on described some of the 1:05:30.800 --> 1:05:34.840 treatment of himself and his siblings as abuse, so it 1:05:34.880 --> 1:05:38.720 was not like, you know, she all together. Mia Pharaoh 1:05:38.720 --> 1:05:44.280 has fourteen kids, yeah, and I believe four of them 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:47.600 are biological and the other ten are adopted. And she 1:05:49.080 --> 1:05:51.320 adopted a few kids who were like a couple of 1:05:51.320 --> 1:05:54.920 the kids she adopted were blind or had other like 1:05:55.480 --> 1:05:58.680 health problems, and so she like one was paraplegic. So 1:05:58.680 --> 1:06:02.440 she was really like to adopt children that felt like 1:06:02.560 --> 1:06:05.280 were you know, needed help and that this was like 1:06:05.280 --> 1:06:09.479 a big a passion of hers was adopting children. And 1:06:09.960 --> 1:06:12.160 you know, three of these children are no longer living. 1:06:12.800 --> 1:06:15.440 One took their own life, another died of heart failure, 1:06:15.480 --> 1:06:19.160 but Moses suggests that that was actually self inflicted from 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:21.840 a pill overdose. And then Lark, one of her daughters, 1:06:21.880 --> 1:06:26.200 died in poverty of AIDS related pneumonia after battling addiction. 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:30.240 So sadly, yeah, three of these children are no longer alive. 1:06:30.760 --> 1:06:34.960 And then during Pharaoh and Allen's relationship, they never lived together. 1:06:35.280 --> 1:06:37.880 They lived in apartments across Central Park from each other, 1:06:37.960 --> 1:06:39.640 like she lived on Central Park West, he lived on 1:06:39.680 --> 1:06:43.919 Fifth Avenue. So soun Yee claims that he was never 1:06:44.080 --> 1:06:46.280 like a father to her. He had no clothes at 1:06:46.320 --> 1:06:50.400 their house, not a toothbrush, He never adopted them. He is, 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:55.520 in her mind, her mother's boyfriend. She said she didn't 1:06:55.520 --> 1:06:58.440 even know him very well and didn't like him. And 1:06:58.480 --> 1:07:01.160 then it wasn't until when she was in eleventh grade 1:07:01.280 --> 1:07:04.280 that they started going to Knix games together, which apparently 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:07.440 was encouraged by Mia Farroh, who said that you know, 1:07:07.520 --> 1:07:10.840 Sunny was shy and had like you know, like like 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:12.439 they wanted her to get out a little bit more, 1:07:12.800 --> 1:07:14.560 and that he was always looking for someone to go 1:07:14.600 --> 1:07:20.600 to basketball games with. So apparently because of her age thing, 1:07:20.680 --> 1:07:23.200 and also because she has a learning disability that she 1:07:23.240 --> 1:07:26.360 admits to, but apparently in a lot of press, Mia 1:07:26.440 --> 1:07:29.240 Farah would make it seem like sun Nye was really 1:07:29.280 --> 1:07:33.240 really mentally disabled. And she's like, she made me seem like, 1:07:33.320 --> 1:07:35.600 I mean, she uses the R word. She's like, she 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:38.000 made me seem like that in the press all the time, 1:07:38.080 --> 1:07:39.720 and like that's not who I am. I'm not like, 1:07:39.840 --> 1:07:43.600 I'm not like slow. I do have some spelling like 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:46.480 learning disabilities, like you know, probably just lexis. I don't 1:07:46.480 --> 1:07:48.760 know if she she specifies, but she's like, but I'm 1:07:48.760 --> 1:07:51.440 not like, this is a woman who went to college, 1:07:51.520 --> 1:07:54.440 went to grad school at Columbia. Like she's she's like, 1:07:54.480 --> 1:07:57.080 I'm smart, you know, I don't. I didn't like she 1:07:57.320 --> 1:08:01.080 classified me. She characterized me as like, you know, needing 1:08:01.120 --> 1:08:02.920 mental help for a lot of my life. And so 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:05.200 when she does start hanging out with him, some of 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:07.560 the accounts say she's nineteen or twenty, even though she's 1:08:07.600 --> 1:08:10.320 in eleventh grade. So like, I mean, maybe she's been 1:08:10.400 --> 1:08:13.000 held back because of some of the like learning disabilities 1:08:13.040 --> 1:08:13.440 or something. 1:08:13.560 --> 1:08:15.720 But she's apparently. 1:08:15.760 --> 1:08:18.160 Nineteen or so when they even first start hanging out 1:08:18.240 --> 1:08:21.160 going to the basketball games. Okay, and then at nineteen 1:08:21.200 --> 1:08:24.400 ninety one, she's twenty one and she's a freshman in college. 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:26.439 So that's what I'm just trying to like figure out 1:08:26.439 --> 1:08:29.200 the timeline year because I was really confused because freshman 1:08:29.200 --> 1:08:30.720 in college. To me, I was seventeen When I was 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:33.599 a freshman, you're seventeen or eighteen usually, But she's already 1:08:33.640 --> 1:08:35.880 like twenty one as a freshman in college because I 1:08:35.920 --> 1:08:38.840 don't know, maybe she took time off, who knows, But 1:08:39.760 --> 1:08:42.080 that is when they started the affair, when she was 1:08:42.160 --> 1:08:44.599 a freshman in college. It was sometime that ball. She says, 1:08:44.640 --> 1:08:47.320 she came home from college, they were watching a movie. 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:50.760 He kissed her. She was like excited, but she had 1:08:50.800 --> 1:08:52.800 never really seen him that way. And now and now 1:08:52.840 --> 1:08:55.280 she says she fell for really really fast. So she's 1:08:55.280 --> 1:08:59.479 twenty one, he's fifty six. They're very vague, quote unquote 1:08:59.479 --> 1:09:04.639 on one thing turned sexual. Okay, So what I find 1:09:05.280 --> 1:09:10.720 very strange is that in December of nineteen ninety one, 1:09:11.439 --> 1:09:14.920 the affair with Sunie had already begun. That's when he 1:09:15.000 --> 1:09:19.519 officially adopts Moses and Dylan, and like he's telling Sun 1:09:19.600 --> 1:09:21.479 Yi Oh, things with me and I have been like 1:09:21.600 --> 1:09:24.160 over for a long time, like we're really not you know, 1:09:24.160 --> 1:09:27.040 we're going through the motions. We're not really in love anymore. 1:09:27.520 --> 1:09:31.040 And like why are you going through the motions of 1:09:31.080 --> 1:09:35.080 adopting these children if you are sleeping with their sister? 1:09:35.439 --> 1:09:37.960 Like do you know what I mean? Like that's really 1:09:38.000 --> 1:09:40.719 weird to me. It's like I would have pushed that off. 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:42.519 I would have been like, oh, I can't sign right now. 1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:46.599 I don't know, Like he's like, and you know, so 1:09:46.840 --> 1:09:49.680 in January of nineteen ninety two, like right after he 1:09:49.720 --> 1:09:52.320 finalizes the adoption of these two other children of me 1:09:52.439 --> 1:09:56.880 of MIA's she Mia Faroh, discovers a stack of polaroids 1:09:57.040 --> 1:10:00.960 in whaty Allen's apartment of SUNNYI, in which she is 1:10:01.040 --> 1:10:05.360 fully nude, spread eagle that he says later he took 1:10:05.400 --> 1:10:09.120 those pictures because she was interested in modeling. I don't 1:10:09.160 --> 1:10:13.160 know how many modeling agencies want to see full frontal 1:10:13.320 --> 1:10:15.840 in order to you know, sign you we have to 1:10:15.920 --> 1:10:20.040 rewatch that model, Docancy if that was ever like I 1:10:20.040 --> 1:10:23.559 don't think that's a thing. But he also describes the 1:10:23.560 --> 1:10:26.760 pictures as erotic and not pornographic. I don't fucking know 1:10:26.800 --> 1:10:29.840 what to say, but when she sees those pictures, mea 1:10:29.960 --> 1:10:36.120 Pharaoh fucking loses it, obviously, and she ended their relationship 1:10:36.120 --> 1:10:38.360 after it had been eleven to twelve years. And again, 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:40.520 Woody Allen and soonior Y are like, but their relationship 1:10:40.520 --> 1:10:43.960 had been over for years. Blah blah blah. So there's 1:10:44.040 --> 1:10:47.120 all this family drama at the time over the Sunye 1:10:47.120 --> 1:10:51.280 and Woody Allen affair. Mea Pharaoh sends Woody Allen what 1:10:51.720 --> 1:10:53.720 is called a got what is referred to in a 1:10:53.720 --> 1:10:56.840 lot of the press as a Gothic valentine, which is 1:10:56.920 --> 1:11:00.439 like a photo collage of the family and pin going 1:11:00.479 --> 1:11:03.720 through all of the kid's hearts and a knife going 1:11:03.760 --> 1:11:05.240 through her heart. So that's kind of where they get 1:11:05.280 --> 1:11:08.519 this statue thing from the episode. Okay, so she does 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:13.320 send that, and she apparently kicks sun Ye out of 1:11:13.360 --> 1:11:13.879 the house. 1:11:14.040 --> 1:11:16.240 She slaps sun Yie a bunch of times. 1:11:17.479 --> 1:11:21.559 Her Sunny Like is a little bit freaking out because 1:11:21.600 --> 1:11:23.479 her dad is going to cut her off financially too. 1:11:23.520 --> 1:11:25.400 Like Andrea Previn is like you're dead to me. I'm 1:11:25.439 --> 1:11:29.120 not paying for college anymore. And Mia is telling Woody 1:11:29.160 --> 1:11:32.400 Allen that Sunni is suicidal, which Sunny says is not 1:11:32.439 --> 1:11:36.960 true at all, so I don't. I also didn't realize 1:11:37.120 --> 1:11:39.800 ever in all the coverage of this that I've ever read, 1:11:39.920 --> 1:11:41.920 that at the same time that this is all going on, 1:11:42.360 --> 1:11:45.960 Mia Parah is actively acting in a Woody Allen movie 1:11:46.400 --> 1:11:49.879 called Husbands and Wives, Like they are on set finishing 1:11:49.880 --> 1:11:52.840 a movie together while this is all happening, which is 1:11:52.960 --> 1:11:59.680 what fucking nuts. Yes, So over that summer, like so 1:11:59.760 --> 1:12:03.080 now it's summer of ninety one, I get oh no, sorry, 1:12:03.120 --> 1:12:05.519 So summer of ninety two, Sunny goes to be a 1:12:05.560 --> 1:12:09.760 camp counselor in Maine, but she gets fired because she's 1:12:10.200 --> 1:12:13.880 not connecting with the kids, I guess. And she keeps 1:12:13.920 --> 1:12:16.759 getting phone calls from a man claiming to be mister Simon, 1:12:16.840 --> 1:12:19.320 but it's Woody Allen's like code name, right, so he 1:12:19.400 --> 1:12:21.479 keeps calling her at camp. He says he was just 1:12:21.520 --> 1:12:24.080 calling her to make sure that she was financially okay, 1:12:24.080 --> 1:12:25.800 because like her dad is cutting her off and like 1:12:25.920 --> 1:12:28.360 who knows if me is giving her money whatever. So 1:12:28.439 --> 1:12:31.680 then this all is going down in January, right, and 1:12:31.720 --> 1:12:33.839 then the months after this is all just happening inside 1:12:33.840 --> 1:12:38.080 the family that this has been discovered. And in August 1:12:38.120 --> 1:12:41.640 of nineteen ninety two, eight months after the first you know, 1:12:41.720 --> 1:12:46.599 polaroids are discovered, Mia Farrow alleges that Woody Allen has 1:12:46.640 --> 1:12:49.559 molested their daughter, Dylan, who is aged seven, in a 1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:55.960 crawl space in her home in Bridgewater, Connecticut. So, I mean, 1:12:55.960 --> 1:12:58.840 the episode is really ripping it straight from the story. 1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:02.640 She makes a video asking Dylan all these questions, and 1:13:02.720 --> 1:13:04.439 a video that a lot of people think is a 1:13:04.479 --> 1:13:06.479 smoking gun against Alan, but a lot of people think 1:13:06.560 --> 1:13:09.400 is proof that Mia Farroll coached this young girl about 1:13:09.400 --> 1:13:13.880 what to say. And Alan, of course thinks that Mia 1:13:13.920 --> 1:13:16.760 Farroh concocted this whole charge to get back at him 1:13:16.800 --> 1:13:21.280 for the Sunni affair. And weirdly, sun Yee says in 1:13:21.320 --> 1:13:25.640 an interview many years later that she says that like 1:13:25.920 --> 1:13:27.519 she thought this thing with what he was a fling. 1:13:27.920 --> 1:13:29.240 She was like, I thought I was going to meet 1:13:29.240 --> 1:13:31.800 somebody in college and like get a boyfriend. He was 1:13:31.840 --> 1:13:34.240 telling me to sleep with people in college. Like I 1:13:34.280 --> 1:13:38.000 just thought this was gonna be like a thing like 1:13:38.000 --> 1:13:41.599 I didn't think this was gonna last, but they ended 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:44.800 up just getting thrown together during the chaos of this 1:13:44.920 --> 1:13:50.160 molestation charge. So and like spoiler alert, they're still fucking 1:13:50.160 --> 1:13:54.040 together today. It's been almost thirty years. So the case 1:13:54.280 --> 1:13:58.360 is so chaotic, it's unfolding fast and furious in the press, 1:13:58.400 --> 1:14:01.240 in the court of public opinion. Like a little over 1:14:01.280 --> 1:14:04.639 a week after Dylan's alleged abuse, according to Alan, two 1:14:04.680 --> 1:14:08.879 of me as lawyers, Alan Dershowitz and David Levitt floated 1:14:08.920 --> 1:14:10.960 to him the idea of how about a five to 1:14:11.000 --> 1:14:15.320 seven million dollar reconciliation like payment, just like a quick, immediate, 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:18.000 confidential payment to Mia and then we'll be done with this. 1:14:18.680 --> 1:14:21.960 And I guess that same day he decided that he 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:24.439 thought his kids were unsafe being with this woman that 1:14:24.560 --> 1:14:28.960 was coaching them into saying things like that, and he 1:14:29.320 --> 1:14:32.840 sued me in New York State Supreme Court for custody 1:14:32.960 --> 1:14:36.519 of Satchel aka Ronan, Dylan, and Moses, saying they were 1:14:36.600 --> 1:14:39.479 unsafe with her and would be turned against him. I mean, 1:14:40.920 --> 1:14:44.479 I'm sure he got an alienation lawyer, uh, as we 1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:49.960 talked about in the episode alien but Fordstein, right, Yeah, 1:14:50.120 --> 1:14:52.679 Dershowitz's I mean, he's all over the place. I don't 1:14:52.680 --> 1:14:57.040 think he's ever doing anything good, So like shit is 1:14:57.080 --> 1:15:02.559 just going down crazy. And so four days after he 1:15:02.640 --> 1:15:05.200 sues for custody of these three children, he releases a 1:15:05.240 --> 1:15:08.720 statement confirming his relationship with Sun Yee, confirming it's all 1:15:08.760 --> 1:15:11.040 true and that he's in love with her, which Sun 1:15:11.080 --> 1:15:14.080 ye herself took her by surprise. She's like, we had 1:15:14.120 --> 1:15:15.760 not told each other that we loved each other like 1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:17.960 in that way. But she said she was in love 1:15:18.000 --> 1:15:20.280 with him from the first time they kissed, and I'm sorry, 1:15:20.280 --> 1:15:21.800 I like sort of can't with that, but. 1:15:22.280 --> 1:15:24.880 She well, like because she also said it was going 1:15:24.960 --> 1:15:26.400 to be a fling. So was it going to be 1:15:26.400 --> 1:15:30.280 a fling or yeah? I think the moment, yeah, she. 1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:33.680 Said, like because he at the beginning, he was saying, like, 1:15:33.920 --> 1:15:36.680 you know, I don't want to like hold you down, 1:15:36.800 --> 1:15:39.840 go be with boys from school, do whatever. And I think, 1:15:40.320 --> 1:15:44.080 like every minute that they were together, she says, she 1:15:44.280 --> 1:15:46.400 just fell so hard and fast for him that him 1:15:46.400 --> 1:15:49.639 even kissing her the first time, she knows how quiet 1:15:49.720 --> 1:15:52.200 and like introverted he is, and so it was such 1:15:52.200 --> 1:15:53.880 a big move for him to do that that that 1:15:53.960 --> 1:15:56.680 like made her interested, and then she was like, we 1:15:56.680 --> 1:15:58.920 were just so attracted to each other, like right, But 1:15:59.000 --> 1:16:01.439 even though she said that none of that really existed 1:16:01.880 --> 1:16:04.400 when she was a nineteen year old high school junior. 1:16:04.479 --> 1:16:06.320 I don't know, I don't know what to make of 1:16:06.320 --> 1:16:09.599 any of this. There's like so many different fucking things 1:16:09.600 --> 1:16:13.880 that they're all like saying they're positive about. So meanwhile, 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:18.240 the shit is going on with Dylan's assault alleged assault, 1:16:18.600 --> 1:16:22.439 and the Connecticut State's Attorney's office is investigating that because 1:16:22.479 --> 1:16:24.720 it happened at this home in Bridgewater, Connecticut, in like 1:16:24.720 --> 1:16:30.320 northwest Connecticut, so they investigated the allegation, but they did 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:33.040 not press charges against Woody Allen. And then Dylan was 1:16:33.080 --> 1:16:35.800 referred to the Child Sexual Abuse Clinic at Yale New 1:16:35.800 --> 1:16:38.840 Haven Hospital shout out where my brother did his residency. 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:42.440 And then in May of nineteen ninety. 1:16:42.120 --> 1:16:46.800 Three, so this is from August to May, so like 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:49.760 eight months later. John Levenhal, the pediatrician who headed the 1:16:49.760 --> 1:16:52.839 team at the clinic, concluded that Allan had not sexually 1:16:52.840 --> 1:16:56.160 abused Dylan, and that she was emotionally unstable and her 1:16:56.200 --> 1:17:00.920 mother had likely coached or influenced her testimony. According to 1:17:00.960 --> 1:17:05.000 the report, Dylan's statements were inconsistence and lacked spontaneity. They 1:17:05.040 --> 1:17:08.559 gave the impression of repeating something learned. The report also 1:17:08.640 --> 1:17:11.920 mentioned that Dylan felt she had to solve her mother's problems. 1:17:12.760 --> 1:17:16.040 It also indicated that the relationship between Pharaoh, Dylan and 1:17:16.120 --> 1:17:20.720 Satchel was very disturbed and required immediate intensive psychotherapy. I 1:17:20.760 --> 1:17:23.679 should also mention that there is a lot of talk 1:17:23.800 --> 1:17:27.759 that Mia Farrow sort of favored her biological sons versus 1:17:27.760 --> 1:17:31.479 her adopted daughters. So Dylan was just a couple of 1:17:31.560 --> 1:17:35.479 years older than Satchel aka Ronan, and when he was born, 1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:38.280 there's a lot of accounts that she was obsessed with him, 1:17:38.400 --> 1:17:41.200 and that she kind of dropped Dylan, and that Dylan 1:17:41.280 --> 1:17:43.880 was like upset that like her mom's attention completely went 1:17:43.920 --> 1:17:46.720 to the younger brother, but that she would like lock 1:17:46.800 --> 1:17:50.840 herself away in her bedroom for like days at a time, 1:17:50.960 --> 1:17:54.760 just her and Satchel aka Ronan, like, you know, like 1:17:54.840 --> 1:17:59.040 breastfeeding him. I mean, she says she was like she 1:17:59.160 --> 1:18:02.760 says she was just recovering from a tough delivery, but 1:18:03.000 --> 1:18:08.440 I don't know. So there's an implication among some accounts 1:18:08.640 --> 1:18:10.760 that Dylan would kind of do anything to earn back 1:18:10.760 --> 1:18:13.120 her mother's attention. I don't know if that's true. It's 1:18:13.160 --> 1:18:18.559 all very fucked up also, But like then soun Yee says, 1:18:18.840 --> 1:18:21.120 we were treated like we were treated like servants, like 1:18:21.120 --> 1:18:23.439 the girls that were adopted, Like we had to do 1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:25.840 all this like labor around the house and stuff, and 1:18:25.920 --> 1:18:28.320 so like I don't know, who knows, I don't know. 1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:30.880 Maybe she's saying that stuff manipulated from Ody Allen. I'm 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:33.479 literally you could this would be like, this could be 1:18:33.720 --> 1:18:36.240 this case could be its own ten part podcast pretty much. 1:18:36.280 --> 1:18:38.799 So if I'm not getting every single piece of information, 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:41.559 it's because we are limited on time here and I 1:18:41.600 --> 1:18:45.160 don't have like a research staff. So a month after 1:18:45.400 --> 1:18:49.960 this report is given by the Yale New Haven Clinic, 1:18:52.280 --> 1:18:55.760 in a thirty three page decision, Judge Elliott wilk questioned 1:18:55.840 --> 1:18:58.640 the work of the Yale group, calling it sanitized. He 1:18:58.680 --> 1:19:02.439 also denied Alan's city request, as as well as any 1:19:02.520 --> 1:19:06.800 visitation writes with Dylan. So Woody Allen appealed a year later, 1:19:06.840 --> 1:19:10.519 and he lost that as well, and New York State 1:19:10.640 --> 1:19:14.200 Child Welfare investigators completed a second inquiry into the case, 1:19:14.560 --> 1:19:17.360 concluding that quote, no credible evidence was found that Dylan 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:22.880 had been abused or maltreated, So that's sort of like 1:19:22.920 --> 1:19:25.439 what happens with that. A few years later, December twenty third, 1:19:25.520 --> 1:19:29.200 nineteen ninety seven, Woody Allen, aged sixty two, and sun 1:19:29.280 --> 1:19:32.599 Ye Previn, aged twenty seven, are married, and like I said, 1:19:32.960 --> 1:19:35.160 they have a quiet they have a little like quiet 1:19:35.160 --> 1:19:38.080 ceremony like I think courthouse, and then they are still 1:19:38.080 --> 1:19:41.799 married almost thirty years later. They together have two adopted children, 1:19:42.560 --> 1:19:45.439 because soun Ye finds having biological children to be vain 1:19:45.479 --> 1:19:50.640 and egocentric. She has said so in twenty thirteen. So 1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:54.759 then it's in ninety seven, this all like they get married, 1:19:54.880 --> 1:19:57.280 and then it sort of did die down for a while, 1:19:57.320 --> 1:20:01.320 like people did not talk about the case a lot 1:20:01.880 --> 1:20:05.240 from for about fifteen years. And then in twenty thirteen 1:20:05.479 --> 1:20:08.719 Dylan spoke out to Vanity Fair, and then in twenty 1:20:08.760 --> 1:20:11.160 fourteen she did an op ed in the New York Times, 1:20:11.439 --> 1:20:13.760 and in twenty seventeen, amidst them a lot of the 1:20:13.800 --> 1:20:17.080 me Too movement, she did another op ed in the 1:20:17.200 --> 1:20:18.960 LA Times where she was kind of like, wow, you 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:20.960 guys are all really giving it to Harvey Weinstein like 1:20:21.040 --> 1:20:24.320 why is Woody Allan still allowed to make movies? Like 1:20:24.320 --> 1:20:26.680 why is this man who Like I've been consistent in 1:20:26.720 --> 1:20:28.880 my story for years, like I've always said, this is 1:20:28.920 --> 1:20:32.519 what happened, And basically what she her account is that 1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:36.880 on this day in nineteen ninety two, a ton of 1:20:36.920 --> 1:20:39.799 people are at the house, various siblings, brothers and sisters, 1:20:40.120 --> 1:20:43.280 a family friend, that family friend's three kids, the family 1:20:43.320 --> 1:20:47.240 friends nanny, MIA's nanny. All these people are there, and 1:20:47.320 --> 1:20:50.799 I think Mia and her family friend go out shopping 1:20:50.960 --> 1:20:55.639 or something and they leave, but Woody is there, and 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:59.040 everybody knows that Woody is not allowed to be alone 1:20:59.040 --> 1:21:01.599 with Dylan, because Villen has said for a long time 1:21:02.479 --> 1:21:04.400 that people had noticed that he had a lot of 1:21:04.439 --> 1:21:07.760 attention towards her, a lot of doting behavior, bouncing on 1:21:07.800 --> 1:21:10.240 his lap like ways that he did not act towards 1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:14.920 his other children, his other adopted children, or his biological children, 1:21:15.080 --> 1:21:18.240 Like apparently him and Ronan had a relationship similar to 1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:20.439 Mia and Sunyize, like they were kind of oil and water. 1:21:20.479 --> 1:21:24.800 They never really clicked, and but he was super super 1:21:24.840 --> 1:21:29.920 doting on Dylan and she didn't always like it, Okay, 1:21:29.960 --> 1:21:33.840 And so then her claim is that on this day 1:21:34.360 --> 1:21:37.479 when when Mia is out and all these people are around, though, 1:21:37.760 --> 1:21:42.519 he brings her upstairs to this crawl space and tells 1:21:42.560 --> 1:21:46.439 her to look at the toy train set and put 1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:48.679 her on her stomach, and that he touched her vagina, 1:21:49.400 --> 1:21:51.479 And she has said in interviews later, yeah, like he 1:21:51.520 --> 1:21:53.040 touched my labia and my volva. 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:56.920 So that like, whereas the episode. 1:21:56.439 --> 1:21:58.920 Gets into like a pube and all this other stuff, 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:01.040 I don't think that that was ever anything that came 1:22:01.120 --> 1:22:04.840 up in this thing. But this is what Dylan's account is, 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:08.559 and that he told her if you are a good girl, 1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:10.880 you can come to Paris with me, you can be 1:22:10.880 --> 1:22:12.920 in one of my movies. Like a lot of the 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:18.200 same shit from the episode. So this is what she's 1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:23.719 saying happened. So then in twenty eighteen, her brother Moses 1:22:23.800 --> 1:22:28.479 comes forward with a blog post and he's defending Woody 1:22:28.520 --> 1:22:31.599 Allen and he's painting a picture of a very sad 1:22:31.680 --> 1:22:35.960 childhood under MIA's roof, claiming that she was extremely moody 1:22:36.000 --> 1:22:40.600 and controlling. She often doled out huge punishments for minor infractions, 1:22:40.680 --> 1:22:44.800 like she talks about sorry. Moses talks about like his 1:22:45.120 --> 1:22:48.280 brother who was quadriplegic being left overnight in a shed 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:52.439 outside because of some little thing he did wrong. So 1:22:53.560 --> 1:22:56.200 and in his blog he says, quote Mia told me 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:58.760 that she was the victim of attempted molestation within her 1:22:58.760 --> 1:23:01.920 own family. Her brother, my uncle John, who visited us 1:23:01.960 --> 1:23:04.559 many times when we were young, is currently in prison 1:23:04.640 --> 1:23:07.760 on a conviction of multiple child molestation charges. My mother 1:23:07.840 --> 1:23:11.840 has never publicly commented on this or expressed concern about 1:23:11.840 --> 1:23:16.640 his victims. End quote. So, I mean Moses's blog is 1:23:16.720 --> 1:23:19.679 like really interesting because he talks all about how he's 1:23:19.720 --> 1:23:22.599 like there were so many people in the house. We 1:23:22.640 --> 1:23:24.479 all knew that Wood he was not allowed to be 1:23:24.560 --> 1:23:27.759 with Dylan. We would have noticed if they walked off together. 1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:30.120 We were all watching movies, like he was there. He 1:23:30.160 --> 1:23:32.320 walked in and out, he went to go take a walk. 1:23:32.400 --> 1:23:35.280 I saw him the whole time, Like he's acting like 1:23:35.960 --> 1:23:39.759 this didn't happen. And then there's but there's all kinds 1:23:39.760 --> 1:23:46.160 of like different accounts from like Nanny's and friends and 1:23:46.200 --> 1:23:48.400 people that were there saying they saw them come out 1:23:48.439 --> 1:23:51.519 of the crawl space or that whatever he's saying. We 1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:53.760 didn't even have a toy train set in the crawl space, 1:23:53.800 --> 1:23:56.719 the crawl space didn't even have a floor, like it's 1:23:56.840 --> 1:24:00.320 like it's like insulated, filled with spiders, Like, it's like 1:24:00.360 --> 1:24:02.360 filled with mouse droppings. It's like a place where we 1:24:02.400 --> 1:24:04.719 would hide and shit. It's like where my mom soars 1:24:04.760 --> 1:24:06.840 her old clothes. It's not really like where you would 1:24:06.840 --> 1:24:09.080 go play with someone. So I don't know he has 1:24:09.160 --> 1:24:11.639 all these And then you know, of course Woody Allen 1:24:11.680 --> 1:24:13.960 has put his own op eds in the New York 1:24:13.960 --> 1:24:15.840 Times where he's like, says a lot like what the 1:24:15.920 --> 1:24:18.920 character says, where he's like, why would I, under the 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:22.600 scrutiny of the sun Yi thing, put myself in a 1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:27.360 position of molesting my daughter with all these people in 1:24:27.400 --> 1:24:27.840 the home. 1:24:28.040 --> 1:24:28.880 I've never done it. 1:24:29.120 --> 1:24:31.200 I've never been accused of doing it previously, and I've 1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:35.280 never done it since, So why would I this one 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:39.080 time have to do that. So that's his defense on himself. 1:24:39.400 --> 1:24:42.719 But again it's been investigated, he's been cleared. Nothing's happened 1:24:42.920 --> 1:24:45.960 now And in twenty eighteen, soon Ye did this big, 1:24:46.000 --> 1:24:48.040 long interview with New York Magazine that I read for 1:24:48.120 --> 1:24:52.479 this for this as well, where you know, she just 1:24:52.520 --> 1:24:56.559 talks really regularly about their relationship and how they got together, 1:24:56.760 --> 1:24:59.880 and the author talks about their way of being together 1:25:00.200 --> 1:25:03.280 like very sweet and like tossling each other's hair, and 1:25:03.320 --> 1:25:05.840 if he interrupts her, she goes, you're interrupting me, and like, 1:25:06.360 --> 1:25:09.360 I don't know. At this point, she's a fifty something 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:12.160 year old woman. She's a mother of two. I believe 1:25:12.200 --> 1:25:15.240 they both have they have two girls. Like, she has 1:25:15.280 --> 1:25:17.640 not recognized that she was groomed in any way. She 1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:21.760 has not said that, like, according to her, she was 1:25:21.880 --> 1:25:27.240 of age the moment any kind of romance happened between 1:25:27.240 --> 1:25:28.040 that and that. 1:25:28.000 --> 1:25:31.400 He was like, because I think about Celine Dion and 1:25:31.439 --> 1:25:33.439 it's like, listen, you guys could have loved each other 1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:35.360 and had a long life. I think it's creepy with 1:25:35.640 --> 1:25:37.840 like he knew you as a child and you got sorry, 1:25:37.880 --> 1:25:39.639 Like it's fucking creepy, Like we're allowed to think it's 1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:43.160 fucking creepy that he knew you as a ten year 1:25:43.160 --> 1:25:47.040 old and that, and then I'm seeing your notes and 1:25:47.080 --> 1:25:48.799 it's like, are those kids safe? 1:25:49.479 --> 1:25:54.360 Yeah? Yeah, Because I'm seeing the Epstein stuff and he's 1:25:54.360 --> 1:25:57.040 not sorry. I guess he's not sorry. And Woody and 1:25:57.120 --> 1:25:59.920 Sunye are both in the Epstein files and what ell 1:26:00.040 --> 1:26:02.040 And says, he is not sorry for his friendship with 1:26:02.120 --> 1:26:06.720 child sex Driver or Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, listen, it's 1:26:06.760 --> 1:26:09.160 like I don't even know a lot of Woody Allen movies. 1:26:09.200 --> 1:26:11.000 We might need Casey on the mic here, but like 1:26:11.080 --> 1:26:13.479 I've talked to Jared about this before, because Jared is 1:26:13.960 --> 1:26:15.600 knows a lot of Woody Allen movies, and he's like, 1:26:16.160 --> 1:26:19.160 so many of his movies are about older men being 1:26:19.200 --> 1:26:25.440 with like younger women. It's just only seen Blue Jasmine. 1:26:25.680 --> 1:26:27.559 I think I've only seen Blue Jasmine a match Point. 1:26:27.600 --> 1:26:29.559 I think those might be the only two Woody Allen 1:26:29.560 --> 1:26:30.160 movies I've seen. 1:26:30.200 --> 1:26:32.160 I think the main movie where this comes up is 1:26:32.680 --> 1:26:34.600 the movie Manhattan. 1:26:34.960 --> 1:26:36.439 Yes, that's what Jared was saying. 1:26:37.040 --> 1:26:39.000 Yeah, and in that one, he plays like a forty 1:26:39.080 --> 1:26:42.360 year old guy dating a high schooler. But that's not 1:26:42.520 --> 1:26:44.439 like the conflict of the movie. That's just like something 1:26:44.479 --> 1:26:47.640 that's in the movie and everyone accepts it in the 1:26:47.640 --> 1:26:51.880 world of the movie as like a good thing. It's 1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:53.759 very strange. 1:26:54.040 --> 1:26:56.640 Yeah, And like then look at Jerry Seinfeld. 1:26:56.760 --> 1:26:58.880 I mean, like he was dating a high school senior 1:26:59.080 --> 1:27:02.719 like so, so I like, I don't know, I think 1:27:02.720 --> 1:27:07.280 that there's this romanticization I think of like teens in 1:27:07.320 --> 1:27:10.320 New York City also that they're like older and like 1:27:10.479 --> 1:27:15.120 wiser because they're city kids. And I think that Woody 1:27:15.120 --> 1:27:18.519 Allen helped to perpetuate that. But you know, yeah, so 1:27:18.560 --> 1:27:21.840 I mean, like Woody Allen talks about how on that 1:27:22.200 --> 1:27:24.360 trip to like that to the house when when the 1:27:24.360 --> 1:27:27.479 alleged sexual assault of Dylan happened, that he had given 1:27:27.560 --> 1:27:33.839 Dylan a catalog and Moses and Satchel aka Ronan catalogs, 1:27:33.840 --> 1:27:35.840 and that they had circled all like every toy in 1:27:35.880 --> 1:27:37.320 the catalog and he was going to go back into 1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:39.839 the city and buy them some toys from the catalog. 1:27:39.880 --> 1:27:42.360 And then he's like, I never saw Dylan. 1:27:42.080 --> 1:27:45.200 Again, like because then it all then it all came 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:48.000 to And I think that it was similar as well, 1:27:48.000 --> 1:27:50.519 where Mia Paraoh didn't necessarily want to bring it to 1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:54.800 the public, the stuff, but she had brought she brought 1:27:54.880 --> 1:27:58.120 Dylan to her pediatrician, and the pediatrician is a mandated 1:27:58.160 --> 1:28:00.280 reporter and had to report it and then that when 1:28:00.360 --> 1:28:03.080 law enforcement got involved. So Mia Farah was like, I 1:28:03.120 --> 1:28:05.120 didn't necessarily even want to do this, but then what 1:28:05.200 --> 1:28:07.160 he Allen side is like, well, of course she did. 1:28:07.160 --> 1:28:10.120 This happened like eight months after the SUNI thing, and 1:28:10.160 --> 1:28:12.960 she's obviously furious about it and upset, and you know, 1:28:14.680 --> 1:28:16.439 it's like one of the most fucked up stories of 1:28:16.439 --> 1:28:20.519 our time, and that is treated like normal. 1:28:20.760 --> 1:28:24.040 It's really weird and that like people are just they 1:28:25.040 --> 1:28:26.040 ride hard for him. 1:28:26.520 --> 1:28:32.120 Oh is he Midnight in Paris? I did see that? Yeah, yeah, 1:28:32.160 --> 1:28:37.639 I haven't seen that one. Yeah. It's like a lot 1:28:37.680 --> 1:28:41.320 of the people who have been in his movies were like, 1:28:42.960 --> 1:28:44.760 you know, it's hard to know. We don't know all 1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:47.000 the facts. Like they were very like kind of skirting 1:28:47.080 --> 1:28:50.360 around it, like Scarlett Johansson, Blake Lively, all these actresses 1:28:50.800 --> 1:28:54.200 that worked with him, and I mean probably actors as well. 1:28:54.280 --> 1:28:55.880 I'm just thinking of the few that I just read 1:28:55.920 --> 1:28:56.679 doing this research. 1:28:57.040 --> 1:28:59.880 But then now people that are seeing him in the 1:29:00.000 --> 1:29:03.000 I've seen files and him being unapologetic about Epstein are like, 1:29:03.400 --> 1:29:05.599 I regret being in his Like all these actors are 1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:07.519 coming out now and going and now I regret if 1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:09.000 I had now then what I know now, like I 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:11.640 wouldn't have been in his movie. So I don't know 1:29:11.640 --> 1:29:14.280 if he's gonna get more shit for just being friends 1:29:14.280 --> 1:29:16.920 with Jeffrey Epstein. Even if he didn't know what Epstein 1:29:16.960 --> 1:29:19.880 was doing and never went to the island, then he 1:29:20.160 --> 1:29:24.240 is going to get for marrying his like wife's daughter. 1:29:25.160 --> 1:29:29.839 I mean, Ronan Pharoh will say my dad is married 1:29:29.840 --> 1:29:33.360 to my sister. That's fucked up. Like he's like, that's 1:29:33.720 --> 1:29:36.280 morally fucked up. Whether you want to like pussy foot 1:29:36.320 --> 1:29:39.200 around the fucking laws and who was what age? When 1:29:39.800 --> 1:29:42.040 that's weird and that's a weird position that you've put 1:29:42.080 --> 1:29:46.919 your other children into as well, you know, cause according 1:29:46.960 --> 1:29:50.479 to Moses Mia, Pharaoh made all the kids like cut 1:29:50.520 --> 1:29:53.639 off Woodie and said, you guys, he's evil, like made 1:29:53.680 --> 1:29:56.680 them rehearse what they said about him, and that they 1:29:56.760 --> 1:29:58.960 all and that It wasn't until later twenty eighteen where 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:02.120 Moses came out come to his dad's defense. I don't 1:30:02.120 --> 1:30:04.320 know what's going on with Moses. I don't know, but 1:30:04.479 --> 1:30:08.160 he his blog post is like definitely I remember reading 1:30:08.200 --> 1:30:10.800 that in twenty eighteen sixty like eight years ago and 1:30:10.840 --> 1:30:14.080 being like, whoa, this is like a perspective on this. 1:30:14.200 --> 1:30:17.439 I hadn't read, you know, but who knows what he's 1:30:17.479 --> 1:30:19.479 going through? Like I really don't know, I really don't 1:30:19.479 --> 1:30:24.200 know what to say about this, but really fucked up 1:30:24.200 --> 1:30:26.200 and really kind of like a lot of narcissists, like 1:30:26.240 --> 1:30:29.400 you were saying in the episode, like focusing on themselves 1:30:29.520 --> 1:30:32.920 and not on like the worldfare of these children. So 1:30:33.000 --> 1:30:35.960 then that's that on whatdy Ellen, unless you have anything else, 1:30:36.040 --> 1:30:39.240 Lisa that you want to add, Okay, And then obviously 1:30:39.280 --> 1:30:42.439 the end of this episode throws a Roman Polanski twist 1:30:42.439 --> 1:30:45.640 in at the end, which is interesting because Mia Farrow 1:30:45.880 --> 1:30:49.599 first became well known for even though she's from a 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:51.840 famous family her father was a writer director or her 1:30:51.880 --> 1:30:55.040 mother was an actress. She she became famous for her 1:30:55.080 --> 1:30:57.479 role in Rosemary's Baby, which was written and directed by 1:30:57.560 --> 1:31:02.320 Roman Polanski. So it's interesting that these two are sort 1:31:02.360 --> 1:31:05.040 of tied together in this way. These are like these 1:31:05.040 --> 1:31:08.000 are like vintage Epstein files, like everything that's going on 1:31:08.120 --> 1:31:13.280 with these people, but like she Roman Polanski a Polish 1:31:13.320 --> 1:31:17.280 French director who was essentially separated from his parents during 1:31:17.320 --> 1:31:21.519 the Holocaust. He was later reconnected with his father, but 1:31:21.920 --> 1:31:24.599 he came to the US wrote and directed Rosemary's Baby 1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:27.200 in nineteen sixty eight, the same year he married actress 1:31:27.200 --> 1:31:30.840 Sharon Tate. In nineteen sixty nine, Famously, a pregnant Sharon 1:31:30.880 --> 1:31:34.000 Tate was among those murdered by the Manson family while 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:35.680 he was out of town. I believe he was in 1:31:35.720 --> 1:31:40.160 London filming a movie. In seventy four, he made Chinatown, 1:31:40.200 --> 1:31:44.320 which was like a huge hit. Jack Nicholson latsio credits 1:31:44.360 --> 1:31:46.640 because I just knew him as a rapist. But I 1:31:46.640 --> 1:31:49.200 guess he's made a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah, I 1:31:49.200 --> 1:31:51.559 mean he made The Pianist in like two thousand and 1:31:51.600 --> 1:31:54.720 like two or three or something. I didn't know that. 1:31:55.080 --> 1:32:00.000 I definitely saw that. Yeah. In nineteen seventy seven, however, 1:32:00.840 --> 1:32:08.960 Polanski had a young girl named let me see. At 1:32:09.000 --> 1:32:11.400 the time, her name was Samantha Gaily and now she's 1:32:11.439 --> 1:32:13.680 married and her name is Samantha Geimer. I think you 1:32:13.720 --> 1:32:17.360 would say it Gei, Mr Roman. Polanski had her over, 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:21.160 she was thirteen years old, had her over to Jack 1:32:21.280 --> 1:32:27.000 Nicholson's house, which he shared with my obsession Angelica Houston, 1:32:27.040 --> 1:32:29.920 his girlfriend at the time. I love Angelica Houston. Jack 1:32:30.000 --> 1:32:33.040 Nicholson was out of town skiing in Colorado. Angelica Houston 1:32:33.120 --> 1:32:35.360 was off the premises. He had this thirteen year old 1:32:35.400 --> 1:32:38.439 girl over Polanski, so he could photograph her as part 1:32:38.479 --> 1:32:41.720 of French Vogue, and he'd been invited to like edit 1:32:41.840 --> 1:32:44.240 French Vogue or something for a month, and her mother 1:32:44.320 --> 1:32:46.679 had allowed this to be a private photo shoot. Again, 1:32:46.840 --> 1:32:49.960 it's like, you know, there's a lot of adults that 1:32:50.040 --> 1:32:52.840 are fucking up here, Like you know how people will. 1:32:52.680 --> 1:32:54.599 Blame the goalie for letting the goal in. 1:32:54.680 --> 1:32:56.920 It's like there's a lot of defense that doesn't get 1:32:57.120 --> 1:33:00.920 that doesn't stop it either from happening. Allows this thirteen 1:33:01.000 --> 1:33:02.599 year old girl to go have a private photo shoot 1:33:02.600 --> 1:33:06.920 with a grown man, and she was uncomfortable, like she 1:33:06.960 --> 1:33:12.920 had to pose topless, and so then he said later 1:33:13.120 --> 1:33:15.559 he gave her a bunch of She testified later that 1:33:15.600 --> 1:33:17.280 he gave her a bunch of champagne to like loosen 1:33:17.479 --> 1:33:20.960 her up. She was nervous, she was scared, and then 1:33:21.000 --> 1:33:22.680 he made her like lie on the bed and then 1:33:22.920 --> 1:33:26.360 he sexually assaulted her. He assaulted her, He pedetreated her 1:33:26.600 --> 1:33:29.240 vaginally and anally. He performed oral sex on her even 1:33:29.280 --> 1:33:32.080 though she didn't want that. After he gave her champagne 1:33:32.080 --> 1:33:36.840 and they allegedly shared a kaylude. So she was in 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:41.000 and out feeling very but she also was like she 1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:43.080 remembers saying no, but she was also like if I 1:33:43.160 --> 1:33:44.200 get I guess I just get. 1:33:44.040 --> 1:33:45.599 To go home if this is done, like when this 1:33:45.680 --> 1:33:46.000 is done. 1:33:46.760 --> 1:33:51.320 So then he ended up being arrested for drugging and 1:33:51.439 --> 1:33:52.639 raping the searteen year old girl. 1:33:52.680 --> 1:33:54.000 He pleaded guilty. 1:33:54.520 --> 1:33:57.439 The charges were unlawful sexual intercourse with a female under 1:33:57.439 --> 1:34:00.640 the age of eighteen, rape by use of drugs, perversion, 1:34:00.760 --> 1:34:03.439 sodomy and elude, and lascivious act upon a child under 1:34:03.439 --> 1:34:06.360 the age of fourteen, and furnishing a controlled substance to 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:06.800 a minor. 1:34:07.400 --> 1:34:10.559 So he a lot of charges, yeah. 1:34:10.360 --> 1:34:14.560 A lot of charges, but he pleaded guilty to the 1:34:14.640 --> 1:34:17.360 lesser charge of unlawful sex with a minor in exchange 1:34:17.360 --> 1:34:20.680 for a probation only sentence. And he also claims to 1:34:20.760 --> 1:34:25.439 save this girl a trial right. But then the night 1:34:25.479 --> 1:34:28.600 before his sentencing in nineteen seventy eight, he learned that 1:34:28.640 --> 1:34:30.960 the judge was going to reject the plea bargain, and 1:34:31.000 --> 1:34:33.280 apparently this guy was like, fuck this, I'm throwing this 1:34:33.320 --> 1:34:34.640 guy in for as long as I can and was 1:34:34.640 --> 1:34:37.880 going to give him fifty years in prison. So Polanski 1:34:38.000 --> 1:34:41.200 fled to Paris and he's a I believe he's a 1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:44.439 French citizen as well. So he continued his career and 1:34:44.520 --> 1:34:47.960 he remains currently still a fugitive from the US justice system. 1:34:48.200 --> 1:34:52.760 And in the time that he's been abroad, several other 1:34:52.800 --> 1:34:56.440 women have come forward with sexual abuse allegations by Polanski. 1:34:57.000 --> 1:35:01.360 He rarely leaves France and two thousand and eight, actually 1:35:01.439 --> 1:35:03.800 his victim said, I don't wish for him to be 1:35:03.880 --> 1:35:07.800 held to further punishment or consequences, she said. She has 1:35:07.840 --> 1:35:10.200 said that the media, reporters, the court and the judge 1:35:10.200 --> 1:35:12.800 have caused quote unquote way more damage to me and 1:35:12.880 --> 1:35:16.400 my family than anything Roman Polanski has ever done, really, 1:35:16.920 --> 1:35:21.360 and which is weird because in nineteen ninety three, I'm sorry, 1:35:21.400 --> 1:35:25.400 in nineteen eighty eight she sued him for alleged sexual assault, 1:35:25.800 --> 1:35:28.920 false imprisonment, seduction of a minor, and intentional infliction of 1:35:28.920 --> 1:35:32.559 emotional distress. And in nineteen ninety three he settled with 1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:35.479 her for an undisclosed amount, and as of August of 1:35:35.560 --> 1:35:38.439 ninety six, he still owed her six hundred thousand. But 1:35:39.479 --> 1:35:42.439 it's interesting to me that she did sue him at 1:35:42.439 --> 1:35:45.599 the time, maybe that was, like, who knows, I'm sure 1:35:45.640 --> 1:35:49.200 at the like, I don't know in hindsight, maybe people 1:35:49.280 --> 1:35:52.880 have convinced her otherwise. But in March of twenty twenty three, 1:35:53.280 --> 1:35:56.760 her and her husband met up with Polanski and his 1:35:56.840 --> 1:36:01.960 wife for a cover interview of French magazine, and in 1:36:02.000 --> 1:36:05.000 this interview she says, quote, let me be very clear, 1:36:05.080 --> 1:36:07.960 what happened with Polanski was never a big problem for me. 1:36:08.320 --> 1:36:10.840 I didn't even know it was illegal that someone could 1:36:10.880 --> 1:36:13.880 be arrested for it. I was fine. I'm still fine. 1:36:13.920 --> 1:36:16.639 It was so unfair and so in opposition to justice. 1:36:16.680 --> 1:36:19.679 Everyone should know by now that Roman has served his sentence, 1:36:19.960 --> 1:36:23.000 which was long. If you want my opinion, anyone who 1:36:23.040 --> 1:36:24.840 thinks that he deserves to be in prison is wrong 1:36:25.120 --> 1:36:27.320 if it isn't the case today, and it wasn't the 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:32.320 case yesterday. End quote. But she did sue him, she 1:36:32.439 --> 1:36:36.000 did tell authorities that she said no and that she 1:36:36.160 --> 1:36:39.760 didn't want it to happen, and she protested. So I 1:36:39.800 --> 1:36:43.040 don't fucking know. In October of twenty seventeen, a German 1:36:43.080 --> 1:36:46.240 actress named Nte Langer told Swiss police that Polanski raped 1:36:46.240 --> 1:36:49.280 her in Shad when she was fifteen in nineteen seventy. 1:36:49.320 --> 1:36:53.959 Two weeks later, American artist Mary Anne Barnard accused Polanski 1:36:54.000 --> 1:36:56.200 of sexually assaulting her in nineteen seventy five when she 1:36:56.360 --> 1:36:59.639 was ten years old, and in November of twenty nineteen, 1:36:59.680 --> 1:37:03.280 French actress of Valentine Monier said that Polinski raped her 1:37:03.320 --> 1:37:06.120 at a ski Shelle and Stad in nineteen seventy five 1:37:06.160 --> 1:37:07.040 when she was eighteen. 1:37:07.960 --> 1:37:10.480 So those are just some of the accusations. 1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:15.040 And this guy loves to go skiing and assault teenagers, 1:37:15.080 --> 1:37:18.400 like I don't fucking know, but he's still. 1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:23.040 And people defend him. I mean, that fucking Quentin Tarantino 1:37:23.120 --> 1:37:25.000 clip was fucked, but. 1:37:25.040 --> 1:37:28.679 He also got his Cecil b de Mille Award taken away, 1:37:29.439 --> 1:37:34.120 and it turned like they were trying to after me too. 1:37:34.880 --> 1:37:37.320 Focus a little bit more on how bad it is 1:37:37.360 --> 1:37:39.760 that we're still like allowing him to release movies, like 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:42.479 and he's still getting deals and stuff like that. I mean, 1:37:42.800 --> 1:37:46.960 Dylan Ferrell was saying, like, okay, so Weinstein is behind bars, 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:49.320 but Amazon just signed like a multimillion dollar deal with 1:37:49.360 --> 1:37:53.280 my dad who sexually assaulted me. So it's like, you know, 1:37:53.880 --> 1:37:56.200 there they are sort of pick and choosing on who 1:37:56.200 --> 1:38:03.000 they are, you know, going after. But Polanski's like still 1:38:03.000 --> 1:38:10.280 making stuff and living free in France. Yeah, France love 1:38:10.560 --> 1:38:17.160 sexual assault. Yeah, they really like hated me too. They 1:38:17.160 --> 1:38:19.680 think it's just like prude Americans, And I'm like, you 1:38:19.800 --> 1:38:23.960 shouldn't have to be getting raped at work, like fuck yeah, 1:38:24.200 --> 1:38:28.559 Like what's the big Like, I don't know, it's just 1:38:28.800 --> 1:38:31.840 so gross that all of these men just like really 1:38:31.840 --> 1:38:37.000 want to be with like inexperienced, like young girls when 1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:40.360 you can. I don't know, like is a twenty two 1:38:40.439 --> 1:38:42.360 year old not hot enough for you? I don't get it, 1:38:42.439 --> 1:38:46.400 like you had fifteen. I know. It's gross and it's 1:38:46.439 --> 1:38:49.360 about power, you know, yeah, like all of that stuff 1:38:49.439 --> 1:38:54.080 like these fucking yeahs, yeah, fucking freaks to be Like 1:38:54.200 --> 1:38:56.639 I'm twenty one and I can't get enough of Woody Allen. 1:38:56.760 --> 1:38:59.120 It's like, I don't know, go to therapy. And he 1:38:59.240 --> 1:39:02.680 was like pulling was kind of like claiming. I think 1:39:02.720 --> 1:39:04.559 when he around the time where he lost the cecil 1:39:04.600 --> 1:39:07.439 b de Mill like he was like, Weinstein's just throwing 1:39:07.439 --> 1:39:09.120 me under the bus so that my movie doesn't win 1:39:09.120 --> 1:39:13.280 an Oscar or something like that, and it's like, okay, yeah, 1:39:13.320 --> 1:39:16.200 I guess just pedophile on pedophile crime happening all the 1:39:16.240 --> 1:39:18.240 way was Winstein a pedophile or did he just like 1:39:18.640 --> 1:39:26.240 hurt grown women Weinstein. I think the people have been grown. 1:39:26.400 --> 1:39:28.519 But I have no idea what he's up to or 1:39:28.560 --> 1:39:33.800 if he's any I mean, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, 1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:35.800 anywhere anyway. 1:39:35.720 --> 1:39:38.479 Well, we have an incredible guest. One of the best 1:39:38.640 --> 1:39:39.280 days of my life. 1:39:39.280 --> 1:39:49.360 Don't go anywhere, stay seated for the best guest ever. 1:39:50.240 --> 1:39:54.160 Our guest today is a prolific actor. To use the 1:39:54.160 --> 1:39:57.280 word mildly. You may know best for playing White House 1:39:57.320 --> 1:40:00.840 Deputy Chief of Staff Josh Lyman on The West. You 1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:03.160 may also know him as the Villainous Dad and Get 1:40:03.200 --> 1:40:06.519 Out and dozens of other projects, but you know him 1:40:06.560 --> 1:40:11.639 best today as filmmaker slash pedophile Frank Maddox. Please enjoy 1:40:11.640 --> 1:40:15.240 our chat with the legendary Bradley Whitford. We want to 1:40:15.240 --> 1:40:17.960 talk about both episodes that you did, but we'll start 1:40:17.960 --> 1:40:20.840 on reasonable doubt. Like when they sent you the script 1:40:20.880 --> 1:40:23.920 for this, were you like swim Woody Allen or what like? 1:40:23.920 --> 1:40:28.720 Were you just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, God. 1:40:28.400 --> 1:40:31.720 With the Roman Polanski twist at the end with it. 1:40:31.840 --> 1:40:39.160 Yeah, it was very very sleazy. I have had I 1:40:39.280 --> 1:40:42.920 guess the sleeze ball has been at different times in 1:40:42.960 --> 1:40:50.439 my career what you would call a wheelhouse for me. 1:40:52.920 --> 1:40:56.599 You know, I think when I met often I would 1:40:56.600 --> 1:40:59.040 meet people who would assume that there was something sort 1:40:59.080 --> 1:41:02.120 of Ted Bundy about me because of these sort of 1:41:03.240 --> 1:41:05.840 sort of characters that I play another thing, and that 1:41:05.880 --> 1:41:09.320 way we can get back to the incredible nuance that 1:41:09.400 --> 1:41:15.879 I put into being a pediasque. But that was the show. 1:41:16.240 --> 1:41:22.320 I would not know my wife if I hadn't done 1:41:22.320 --> 1:41:28.200 that episode because part of the reason it's true, I mean, 1:41:28.200 --> 1:41:32.760 it's what it's like one of the biggest butterfly effects 1:41:33.200 --> 1:41:37.439 moments of my life. Jeffrey Tamior was on the show, 1:41:38.280 --> 1:41:42.000 and I knew I had scenes with Jeffrey, and I 1:41:42.080 --> 1:41:46.840 met Jeffrey and while we were shooting the courtroom scene, 1:41:48.200 --> 1:41:51.639 Jeffrey came back from lunch and he's like, I don't 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:56.360 even know what this is. It's some internet thing. They 1:41:56.360 --> 1:42:02.439 call it streaming. But I did, like, it wasn't even 1:42:02.479 --> 1:42:05.320 I guess it was a pilot and it got picked 1:42:05.400 --> 1:42:10.600 up and he came back from lunch and it was Transparent, 1:42:11.640 --> 1:42:19.800 and Jeffrey said to Joey Solaway, you should see this 1:42:19.880 --> 1:42:27.000 guy for this part that I did on Transparent, and 1:42:27.120 --> 1:42:30.920 that's how I met my wife. It was because I 1:42:31.000 --> 1:42:32.559 did that episode of SPU. 1:42:33.479 --> 1:42:36.240 Oh my gosh, so you met on set. 1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:40.760 So if you're lonely and you want to find the 1:42:40.840 --> 1:42:45.520 woman of your dreams, you need to play a pediast 1:42:46.080 --> 1:42:51.840 and pretend to be a homophobic cross dresser. Is the 1:42:51.960 --> 1:42:53.400 lesson for everybody out there? 1:42:53.560 --> 1:42:55.080 Well, and we could talk about get Out. 1:42:55.360 --> 1:43:00.280 I mean that I'm party iconic bad guy. 1:42:59.760 --> 1:43:05.800 That one of the best ever made like that was. 1:43:05.479 --> 1:43:09.920 I remember sitting right where I am right now reading 1:43:09.960 --> 1:43:16.080 this script and going into Amy was in the kitchen, 1:43:16.240 --> 1:43:21.120 and I was like, oh my god, the script is 1:43:21.720 --> 1:43:28.679 like complete. It is brilliant. I had no idea that 1:43:28.800 --> 1:43:34.320 it was going to work, and I thought it, especially 1:43:34.360 --> 1:43:38.479 with the part that I was playing. You know, you 1:43:38.520 --> 1:43:44.160 don't want to get wise cracking, racist wrong. You know, 1:43:44.240 --> 1:43:46.120 you don't know how what the tone is going to be. 1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:50.160 I remember when I read it, I assumed, uh. I 1:43:50.320 --> 1:43:57.160 was so obsessed with the Key and Peel and Jordan. 1:43:57.280 --> 1:44:00.400 I just thought was, I mean, if there's there's any 1:44:00.400 --> 1:44:02.760 bad thing about what happened with get Out, it's that 1:44:02.840 --> 1:44:05.439 we don't get to see Jordan act anymore. Because he 1:44:05.680 --> 1:44:09.879 was one of those comic actors. Was just absolutely brilliant, 1:44:10.560 --> 1:44:12.880 and I had assumed that I knew he was directing it, 1:44:12.960 --> 1:44:16.160 but it was a four million dollar movie. I don't know. 1:44:16.240 --> 1:44:21.280 I'm sure they don't tell you how much an SVU 1:44:21.360 --> 1:44:31.560 episode costs, but wagering it's less than half that I 1:44:32.040 --> 1:44:36.800 did get out was probably half what a SVU episode is. 1:44:37.439 --> 1:44:42.240 And we shot it in twenty days and I loved 1:44:42.760 --> 1:44:44.880 the script. I love the people I got to work with. 1:44:45.000 --> 1:44:47.240 We all wanted it to work for Jordan, but it 1:44:47.320 --> 1:44:52.280 was there was no you know, people are always like, oh, 1:44:52.320 --> 1:44:57.680 you must have known. I'm like, no, I like and 1:44:57.760 --> 1:45:02.920 I remember going to loop it and Jordan was there 1:45:03.720 --> 1:45:08.479 and I said can I see it? And he's like, no, no, 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:10.640 I want you to. I want you to see it 1:45:10.640 --> 1:45:14.800 with an audience. And I'm like, how is it? And 1:45:14.800 --> 1:45:19.559 he's like and Jordan is the least arrogant person on 1:45:19.600 --> 1:45:24.120 the planet, and he's like, I think it's really really good. 1:45:24.600 --> 1:45:26.880 And I was like, well, I was kidding him. I 1:45:26.880 --> 1:45:28.880 was like, well you have to think that, because you know, 1:45:29.080 --> 1:45:31.479 your name's all over and everything, and he's like, no, 1:45:31.600 --> 1:45:34.360 I think it's really really good. And then Amy and 1:45:34.400 --> 1:45:41.800 I went at Sundance midnight screening, and I have never 1:45:41.840 --> 1:45:45.280 seen a suit fle rise like that. Wow. 1:45:46.320 --> 1:45:49.680 For me, it's one of my favorite movie going experiences 1:45:49.720 --> 1:45:53.000 I've ever had, for sure, Like because I went opening 1:45:53.040 --> 1:45:55.519 weekend and I remember and people were fucking pumped in 1:45:55.600 --> 1:45:58.760 so many surprises and so many twists, like such a 1:45:58.800 --> 1:45:59.280 good end. 1:45:59.439 --> 1:46:01.479 I mean that it was, well, do. 1:46:01.439 --> 1:46:03.760 You know, you know, I do you know about the 1:46:03.840 --> 1:46:05.960 ending of that movie. It's a really interesting thing. 1:46:06.240 --> 1:46:08.719 Yeah, I've read that it was supposed to be sad, 1:46:09.160 --> 1:46:11.559 not good ending what we probably all as an audience 1:46:11.600 --> 1:46:14.840 thought was going to happen, and I'm glad that it wasn't. 1:46:15.840 --> 1:46:20.559 I don't know, Well, what's brilliant about it? You know? 1:46:21.720 --> 1:46:29.120 It ended with Lilrell's character visiting the character of Chris 1:46:28.840 --> 1:46:29.719 in prison. 1:46:30.680 --> 1:46:32.559 Oh I didn't know. I didn't know about this at all. 1:46:32.600 --> 1:46:33.720 Oh, I didn't know about this. 1:46:34.680 --> 1:46:39.280 Yeah, and it was, I mean, it was a brilliant 1:46:39.880 --> 1:46:45.080 He was basically going to him saying, you know, I 1:46:45.160 --> 1:46:49.840 know what happened, we can expose this, and Daniel's character 1:46:49.920 --> 1:46:52.439 going it's okay, we got him, And it was. It 1:46:52.520 --> 1:47:00.840 was a brilliant statement about like mass incarceration and It's 1:47:00.880 --> 1:47:07.439 a very interesting thing to me. The and I don't 1:47:07.520 --> 1:47:11.240 know the nuances. I don't think it was a testing issue, 1:47:11.840 --> 1:47:16.479 but it ended up changing to a moment, you know, 1:47:16.560 --> 1:47:21.840 when Chris is killing the white woman, you know, in 1:47:21.880 --> 1:47:25.200 the driveway and the police car drives, you see the 1:47:25.240 --> 1:47:30.160 red lights and the door opens and you see TSA. Now, 1:47:31.120 --> 1:47:37.240 I don't care what kind of you know, racist, you know, white, cracker, 1:47:37.680 --> 1:47:42.080 lunatic you are. You're going to laugh at that moment. 1:47:42.160 --> 1:47:50.880 And when you're laughing, you're acknowledging the truth that black 1:47:50.920 --> 1:47:55.400 people are not safe, you know, with around cops. If 1:47:55.439 --> 1:47:58.120 you say that, you're not going to get the message 1:47:58.160 --> 1:48:04.040 through to the racist people out there. And that was 1:48:04.360 --> 1:48:08.439 It's always a really interesting you know, because I've done 1:48:08.439 --> 1:48:10.800 a lot of I've ended up being in a lot 1:48:10.840 --> 1:48:15.000 of socially relevant stuff and so that's a really fascinating 1:48:16.800 --> 1:48:18.920 thing to me. And I think the other ending worked well. 1:48:18.960 --> 1:48:21.400 But there's something brilliant about that. 1:48:22.720 --> 1:48:24.440 Yeah. 1:48:24.479 --> 1:48:28.720 Well he seems like a cool director. And in this 1:48:28.800 --> 1:48:33.800 episode of SVU, you're playing sort of this dickhead director, right, Yeah, 1:48:34.439 --> 1:48:37.639 you're playing and I'm like, we got to find out, 1:48:37.760 --> 1:48:39.559 like what are you drawn from? Who? Are you drawn 1:48:39.600 --> 1:48:40.040 from here? 1:48:40.160 --> 1:48:50.680 Oh my god. Well, I have very complicated feelings about directors, 1:48:50.800 --> 1:48:55.559 and I'm more and more vehement about you know, I 1:48:55.640 --> 1:49:02.639 worry for young actors coming up. Navigating directors is tough. 1:49:03.040 --> 1:49:09.000 There's there's basically as one of two atmospheres on a set, 1:49:10.360 --> 1:49:15.719 or one of two atmospheres coming at you as an actor, 1:49:15.960 --> 1:49:20.720 and one is And it's interesting because I've done a 1:49:20.760 --> 1:49:23.800 lot of theater and I'm lucky enough to be able 1:49:23.800 --> 1:49:28.519 to do both. There's always a sense at a reading, 1:49:28.560 --> 1:49:31.840 the first read through of a play of hey, this 1:49:31.920 --> 1:49:35.920 might work as flawed as it may be, but there's 1:49:35.960 --> 1:49:42.240 a kind of optimism about the whole endeavor. Any filmed 1:49:43.000 --> 1:49:48.400 thing I've ever done, often the read through is ironically, 1:49:48.479 --> 1:49:52.360 especially if it's good, there's a fear to it, like 1:49:52.400 --> 1:49:55.000 I hope we don't fuck this up. And I think 1:49:55.040 --> 1:49:59.760 it has to do with just the exposure and the 1:49:59.840 --> 1:50:06.960 mon involved. So directors, and I've directed some, it's incredible pressure. 1:50:07.080 --> 1:50:14.400 That they're under incredible pressure, and the a less secure 1:50:14.600 --> 1:50:21.559 director allows their fear to impose, and the message coming 1:50:21.560 --> 1:50:26.760 to the actor is you don't fuck this up. You know, 1:50:27.280 --> 1:50:29.920 I'm afraid you're going to fuck this up. I know 1:50:30.040 --> 1:50:32.960 how you should do it, but as an actor you 1:50:33.000 --> 1:50:36.000 can get this sense of, oh, they you know, they 1:50:36.000 --> 1:50:40.639 don't trust you. The best directors and not just because 1:50:40.680 --> 1:50:46.080 I'm doing this podcast, but Marishko's is intuitively like this. 1:50:46.720 --> 1:50:52.280 But the namiest ones I've ever worked with, Spielberg or Jordan, 1:50:53.640 --> 1:51:00.960 they they create an atmosphere of it's it's it's not 1:51:01.000 --> 1:51:05.479 like school, it's like recess, and they are are and 1:51:05.520 --> 1:51:09.479 it's like good parenting. It's like, you know, it's like 1:51:09.840 --> 1:51:14.400 you owe your kids the possibility of surprising you. And 1:51:15.640 --> 1:51:22.280 good directors leave that space. A good director knows their 1:51:22.360 --> 1:51:26.360 self interest will be served, the story's interest will be served. 1:51:26.880 --> 1:51:31.000 If the actor doesn't think that the director knows how 1:51:31.040 --> 1:51:35.240 the actor should play the scene more than the actor knows. 1:51:35.920 --> 1:51:40.120 There there's a very subtle sort of kind of empowerment thing. 1:51:40.800 --> 1:51:44.960 And basically, and you have to navigate them all the time. 1:51:45.439 --> 1:51:49.000 And I understand the fear and the pressure, believe me 1:51:49.120 --> 1:51:54.519 that they're under, but often you have to. You have 1:51:54.560 --> 1:52:01.360 to navigate these you know, titanically insecure uh directors. And 1:52:01.400 --> 1:52:06.400 there's this it's a very weird, you know, hierarchy on 1:52:06.479 --> 1:52:09.760 a set I always laugh because it's filled with you know, 1:52:09.840 --> 1:52:14.040 people like me, you know, Pinko, lefty, fancy yourself a humanist. 1:52:14.080 --> 1:52:15.600 And then you get on a set and it's like 1:52:15.640 --> 1:52:19.000 a fifteenth century serfdom, you know, it's you know, it's like, 1:52:19.040 --> 1:52:23.760 I'm surprised there aren't like rickshaws. And if I'm in 1:52:23.800 --> 1:52:27.400 the middle of the take, it's totally fine. If I go, 1:52:28.479 --> 1:52:31.240 we got to cut and go where's the prop guy? 1:52:31.600 --> 1:52:35.599 You know, where's my watch? Where's my fucking watch? That's fine. 1:52:36.880 --> 1:52:40.080 If the prop guy goes it's in the fucking trailer 1:52:40.160 --> 1:52:43.960 where I put it for you to put on. He's gone, 1:52:44.400 --> 1:52:46.840 you know what I mean. So there's this and on 1:52:46.880 --> 1:52:53.080 a set, these directors are inevitably in a position of authority, 1:52:53.200 --> 1:52:57.920 and the best ones are secure enough to empower everybody 1:52:57.920 --> 1:53:02.479 on the set around them, including the actors. But for 1:53:02.560 --> 1:53:06.200 young actors coming up, it's you know, it's really scary, 1:53:06.280 --> 1:53:12.360 especially you know. Sbu is a classic example of there's 1:53:12.400 --> 1:53:19.280 nothing harder than a guest shot on an ongoing show. 1:53:19.479 --> 1:53:23.719 There's nothing more challenging because you're coming into a family 1:53:24.560 --> 1:53:32.000 that has been together and you can really tighten up, 1:53:32.920 --> 1:53:39.759 you know, because inevitably. I mean despite everything I'm saying, 1:53:40.160 --> 1:53:43.760 you know, I'm shooting the Diplomat now, and and like 1:53:45.720 --> 1:53:50.560 we've incredible guest actors on that, and like after the 1:53:50.600 --> 1:53:53.160 first take you're like, oh my god, I love that, 1:53:53.800 --> 1:53:56.120 you know, Carrie and I are like, how do they 1:53:56.160 --> 1:53:59.160 find these people? But it means that we're worried that 1:53:59.240 --> 1:54:03.080 they might not, you know what I mean. And that's, uh, 1:54:03.160 --> 1:54:06.960 that's a really hard thing for guest actors to navigate. 1:54:07.040 --> 1:54:10.160 On West Wing, where we would do these walking talks 1:54:10.760 --> 1:54:13.519 that were kind of a signature of the show, and 1:54:15.320 --> 1:54:18.760 you could tell that these guest actors were terrified. 1:54:19.800 --> 1:54:24.400 You made me terrified, Yeah, I got. 1:54:25.800 --> 1:54:29.160 And we even doing them like you know, yeah, the 1:54:29.280 --> 1:54:32.240 end of a walk uh, end of a walk and talk, 1:54:32.840 --> 1:54:37.040 you know, like a really long one where you're like, 1:54:37.520 --> 1:54:40.000 we just called f o G fear of greatness when 1:54:40.040 --> 1:54:42.280 you like fuck up, but you know at the end 1:54:42.360 --> 1:54:44.800 and you'd have to go back. And the thing with 1:54:44.880 --> 1:54:49.040 walking talks that you learn quickly is the first couple 1:54:49.320 --> 1:54:51.880 probably are not going to work unless it's unless it's 1:54:51.880 --> 1:54:54.640 a miracle. Now, if you're a guest actor on there, 1:54:55.840 --> 1:54:59.720 it's the the neurosis of being an actor is until 1:54:59.760 --> 1:55:02.680 something thing works, you don't know if it ever will. Right. 1:55:03.520 --> 1:55:07.520 So I learned on Westling if I was doing if 1:55:07.520 --> 1:55:09.480 I had a guest actor and a walk and talk, 1:55:09.880 --> 1:55:12.720 I would talk to our camera. I tell the camera guy, 1:55:13.640 --> 1:55:15.760 I'm gonna fuck. I'm gonna fuck up the first one. 1:55:15.960 --> 1:55:19.000 I'm gonna like, we'll just go like ten feet and 1:55:19.040 --> 1:55:23.560 I'll oh shit, I went up. Uh because that relaxes everybody. 1:55:24.160 --> 1:55:28.120 Uh Uh, that kind of calms Yeah, because the guest actors, like, well, 1:55:28.160 --> 1:55:30.320 if Bradley Whitford's sucking up a walk and talk, I 1:55:30.360 --> 1:55:32.880 guess I'm okay, I can figure it out. You know 1:55:32.960 --> 1:55:33.560 they won't wat. 1:55:33.600 --> 1:55:36.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And your and your fear is that 1:55:37.760 --> 1:55:41.480 you know, it's really being a guest actor landing in 1:55:41.600 --> 1:55:46.080 an alien world whatever it is, you know, Handmaid's SVU anything, 1:55:46.720 --> 1:55:51.600 and making yourself right at home with your blood flowing. Uh. 1:55:52.040 --> 1:55:55.240 You know they should have oscars for that. 1:55:55.480 --> 1:55:58.400 Now that it's on streaming, do you find like a 1:55:58.440 --> 1:56:02.520 different audience has found to the West Wing and find. 1:56:03.440 --> 1:56:07.400 Because when we yeah, when we you know, when we 1:56:07.560 --> 1:56:11.320 started that show, maybe there would be a rerun in 1:56:11.360 --> 1:56:14.120 the summer. And then if you ever wanted to see 1:56:14.120 --> 1:56:15.920 it again, you'd have to make an appointment at the 1:56:15.960 --> 1:56:19.880 Museum of Broadcasting. And while we're making it, suddenly they 1:56:19.880 --> 1:56:24.400 start putting out these VHS sets of it and then DVDs, 1:56:25.440 --> 1:56:36.400 and you know, now I think you know it's unfortunately, Uh, 1:56:36.440 --> 1:56:41.320 every wave of the erosion of democracy that we go through, 1:56:43.160 --> 1:56:45.200 more people sort of watch it. It's sort of like 1:56:45.320 --> 1:56:48.920 progressive music or progressive porn. 1:56:49.600 --> 1:56:54.800 Well you for the government, you know, fantasy. 1:56:55.760 --> 1:57:00.680 But yeah, it's it's wild to all of us that 1:57:00.800 --> 1:57:05.320 it sort of continues. Uh, you know, you know, to 1:57:05.400 --> 1:57:13.280 have this life and uh, you know, can be an 1:57:13.320 --> 1:57:20.400 object of inspiration and sadness. Uh uh you know, I 1:57:20.400 --> 1:57:24.000 always joked that my career is basically tracking, you know, 1:57:24.080 --> 1:57:25.280 the death of democracy. 1:57:28.560 --> 1:57:30.920 Now I was just gonna ask, are there You've named 1:57:30.920 --> 1:57:33.000 so many cool people, but are there moments you remember 1:57:33.040 --> 1:57:35.920 being starstruck or a little extra nervous or. 1:57:36.720 --> 1:57:41.640 Oh yeah, well, I mean a thrill though She's just 1:57:41.680 --> 1:57:48.480 a delay in easy and uh, Meryl Streep was doing 1:57:48.520 --> 1:57:55.640 it like a take up close with her was uh 1:57:56.360 --> 1:57:59.680 and this is not me being a fan or starfucking 1:57:59.760 --> 1:58:02.240 or any thing. It was just watching her do this 1:58:02.360 --> 1:58:05.680 take you know, like this far away from her and 1:58:06.920 --> 1:58:10.200 totally out of character. In my head, I'm like, oh, 1:58:10.280 --> 1:58:16.760 she's playing like five pianos, like like is a whole 1:58:16.840 --> 1:58:19.280 different the whole different ballgame. 1:58:21.320 --> 1:58:23.560 And what that saying is that a saying did you 1:58:23.600 --> 1:58:24.280 just come up with that? 1:58:24.720 --> 1:58:27.200 I came up with it before when I in my head, 1:58:27.240 --> 1:58:28.480 when I was like, I've. 1:58:29.160 --> 1:58:30.960 A few things you said, do you really have some 1:58:31.120 --> 1:58:32.680 like nice schools? 1:58:32.960 --> 1:58:36.240 The I mean the other ship, Like there's some people 1:58:36.280 --> 1:58:41.600 who work with who who kind of change your idea 1:58:43.520 --> 1:58:50.360 about U about acting. I mean, I mean I Mark Rylance, 1:58:50.400 --> 1:58:52.600 I did a play with for a very long time, 1:58:54.680 --> 1:58:59.680 and that that kind of changed to where I thought 1:58:59.680 --> 1:59:03.000 about it. I mean a lot of it. The biggest 1:59:03.000 --> 1:59:05.040 privilege I have is that I've gotten a lot of 1:59:05.080 --> 1:59:08.640 at bats, like a lot of at bats, and I'm 1:59:08.640 --> 1:59:14.120 really grateful for that. And I needed them because I 1:59:14.160 --> 1:59:17.080 only partially mean this in a self deprecating way. But 1:59:17.280 --> 1:59:20.080 given enough chances, you know, even a chimp will type 1:59:20.120 --> 1:59:24.600 the dictionary. I mean, you do. You do learn the 1:59:24.600 --> 1:59:27.120 more you do it. And there's a lot of anxiety, 1:59:28.680 --> 1:59:32.560 blinding anxiety. Again, I still get in there. I don't 1:59:32.560 --> 1:59:34.120 know if it's seen is going to work until it 1:59:34.160 --> 1:59:38.240 works or and I don't know after I shot it 1:59:38.840 --> 1:59:41.800 if it works. There's a lot like there's a lot 1:59:41.840 --> 1:59:45.160 of you negotiating with yourself how you're going to deal 1:59:45.200 --> 1:59:50.600 with insecurity and fear and one fundamental way you do 1:59:50.680 --> 1:59:55.320 it that those two actors sort of flicked my gyroscope 1:59:55.360 --> 1:59:59.040 about was as a young actor, you're you're trying to 1:59:59.200 --> 2:00:02.760 narrow down you know, what the scene is, what the 2:00:02.880 --> 2:00:07.680 character is, You're trying to define it. And what I 2:00:07.760 --> 2:00:12.760 learned from those extraordinary actors and just in that moment 2:00:12.840 --> 2:00:17.280 with her, she was opening up the aperture she was, 2:00:17.720 --> 2:00:22.240 She wasn't narrowing it. And both of them were not 2:00:22.520 --> 2:00:27.280 executing performances, but their cut of magic Sauce was not 2:00:27.400 --> 2:00:32.600 playing a scene but getting played and that at that 2:00:32.680 --> 2:00:34.520 moment with her just kind of blew my mind. She 2:00:34.560 --> 2:00:40.400 would never think that moment was you know anything, But 2:00:40.720 --> 2:00:45.000 that's really interesting. Interesting to me the older I get 2:00:45.440 --> 2:00:49.200 of uh, you know, you got to deal with all 2:00:49.200 --> 2:00:52.640 this technical stuff. That's the funny thing too, is like 2:00:53.480 --> 2:00:57.440 everybody you know growing up looking at actors, you think 2:00:57.440 --> 2:00:59.920 that you know, film acting is like incredibly you know, 2:01:00.240 --> 2:01:04.320 organic and there's something a little more artificial about theater acting. 2:01:05.840 --> 2:01:10.800 You know, film acting is like doing the golf swing. Yeah, well, 2:01:11.200 --> 2:01:15.000 you know the method actors are more organic. Yeah, you know, 2:01:15.880 --> 2:01:17.880 but it's you know, you like you got to hit 2:01:17.880 --> 2:01:21.440 a mark, you gotta do this. You know, when you 2:01:21.480 --> 2:01:24.760 do a play, you're just like, you know, you don't 2:01:24.760 --> 2:01:27.520 have to gear up emotionally, it's just happening to you. 2:01:29.720 --> 2:01:33.200 But to see those those two people just sort of 2:01:33.400 --> 2:01:37.760 like get played, it was a different way of thinking 2:01:37.760 --> 2:01:38.760 about acting for me. 2:01:39.160 --> 2:01:40.880 What do you think your first credit. 2:01:40.680 --> 2:01:42.839 Is Dead is a doorman? 2:01:43.400 --> 2:01:46.080 There's the Doorman's eighty five, and then you did an 2:01:46.120 --> 2:01:48.040 equalizer one episode. 2:01:47.680 --> 2:01:51.320 Before before Dead is a dormance. 2:01:51.320 --> 2:01:53.120 Well there, I don't see Dead as a dormant. It 2:01:53.160 --> 2:01:53.839 just as dormant. 2:01:53.960 --> 2:01:56.600 Oh that was That was the original title that shortened. 2:01:57.880 --> 2:02:01.480 It was directed by Henny Youngman's son. Yeah. I did 2:02:01.480 --> 2:02:05.080 an anti smoking skit in sixth grade. You know how 2:02:05.120 --> 2:02:09.160 old I am. I really believe that I smoked a 2:02:09.200 --> 2:02:15.600 cigarette during the anti smoking. I love this very method, 2:02:16.040 --> 2:02:19.000 very method. Amy and I just had this little experience 2:02:19.040 --> 2:02:19.920 making her movie. 2:02:20.040 --> 2:02:21.320 Yeah for worse. 2:02:21.320 --> 2:02:25.280 That that is coming out. Have you seen it? 2:02:25.800 --> 2:02:29.680 I we've been helping to promo it to our listeners 2:02:29.800 --> 2:02:33.800 because it features not only Amy but podcast favorite Missy 2:02:33.840 --> 2:02:37.880 Pyle and now and Now podcast favorite Bradley Whitford. So 2:02:37.920 --> 2:02:39.600 we will be continuing to push it. Butway, I have 2:02:39.640 --> 2:02:42.440 not seen it yet, but there's more sview people. Paul 2:02:42.560 --> 2:02:43.879 Edelstein's in a couple. 2:02:43.760 --> 2:02:48.320 Of Yeah, Paul Edelstein's in it. Yeah, it. But here's 2:02:48.360 --> 2:02:52.160 the thing that you know, at one point, you know, 2:02:52.840 --> 2:02:55.960 we had producers. I don't know how much he told you, like, 2:02:56.120 --> 2:03:02.800 you know, we had I think like four million, you 2:03:02.800 --> 2:03:06.080 know that, you know, to make an independent movie, which 2:03:06.120 --> 2:03:12.640 is a lot, and you know for the totally independent 2:03:12.640 --> 2:03:17.000 movie we were gonna make, and then I forget what 2:03:17.040 --> 2:03:20.160 happened to COVID happened. Then the strike happened, and then 2:03:21.520 --> 2:03:23.680 at one point they were gonna do it for two million, 2:03:23.720 --> 2:03:26.360 which is really cutting it close. And then they said 2:03:26.360 --> 2:03:28.120 they couldn't do it, and we went back to them 2:03:28.160 --> 2:03:30.400 and said, can you do it for a million? And 2:03:30.440 --> 2:03:33.800 they were like no. They hired like a line producer 2:03:33.880 --> 2:03:36.720 who said you cannot make this for a million, and 2:03:36.800 --> 2:03:40.879 we made it for less than five hundred thousand dollars 2:03:41.120 --> 2:03:47.160 and you'll see it's you know, Amy, in the same 2:03:47.200 --> 2:03:53.240 way that Jordan. One of the problems with storytelling in 2:03:53.240 --> 2:03:57.120 Hollywood is the high percentage of it is a bunch 2:03:57.120 --> 2:04:01.040 of people walking around telling it joke that they don't 2:04:01.080 --> 2:04:04.520 personally think is funny. They're just trying to sell it. 2:04:05.200 --> 2:04:09.240 And you can smell that, like from a mile away. 2:04:10.760 --> 2:04:16.520 Jordan has no condescension about the horror genre. Loves it, 2:04:16.560 --> 2:04:19.640 loves every second of it, loves the mechanisms of it, 2:04:19.680 --> 2:04:23.160 is fascinated by it. That's why that movie worked. Amy 2:04:23.720 --> 2:04:28.000 loves rom coms. She loves playing around, you know, with 2:04:28.080 --> 2:04:33.520 that puzzle. And I'm telling you less than five hundred 2:04:33.560 --> 2:04:36.240 thousand dollars and we shot it in eleven days. 2:04:36.640 --> 2:04:39.040 I'm looking at this trailer and it looks so good. 2:04:39.920 --> 2:04:43.040 All these actors showed up, all these people showed up, 2:04:43.640 --> 2:04:48.680 and you don't it truly made me. You know, we 2:04:48.760 --> 2:04:54.120 didn't have playback, and Amy's in every frame, and it 2:04:54.280 --> 2:04:58.760 just made me weep because like it's her voice, it's 2:04:59.240 --> 2:05:04.320 you know, it's it's funny, uh and it's true, you 2:05:04.360 --> 2:05:11.560 know it's and that's the stuff that all the people 2:05:11.720 --> 2:05:15.600 running around, you know, kind of kind in Hollywood tend 2:05:15.640 --> 2:05:17.680 to forget passion. 2:05:18.240 --> 2:05:19.720 I'm gonna see it. I'm going I want to see 2:05:19.720 --> 2:05:22.160 it when it's in La. I'm excited. We should let 2:05:22.240 --> 2:05:25.200 you go. But do you have any other last like 2:05:26.080 --> 2:05:28.680 little funny stories from the set. Did you and Iced 2:05:28.720 --> 2:05:29.920 Tea have a moment together? 2:05:30.360 --> 2:05:37.480 Uh? We cuddled, Uh you know, we napped together. I 2:05:37.560 --> 2:05:39.800 was told it was a requirement. 2:05:39.560 --> 2:05:41.000 Wearing my sweatshirt. 2:05:41.400 --> 2:05:44.560 Uh not. I wish I'd had stuff with I didn't 2:05:44.560 --> 2:05:46.600 have stuff with him in this. No, it was just 2:05:47.320 --> 2:05:52.960 like I was just excited for Burrishka. I remember, like, 2:05:53.040 --> 2:05:57.760 you know, the show shoots, the show shoots really fast, 2:05:58.280 --> 2:06:02.720 and you know you're doing all this sort of sad 2:06:02.840 --> 2:06:05.960 stuff all day. And it was just like really long day. 2:06:05.960 --> 2:06:09.640 And I realized that like I, uh, I think I 2:06:09.680 --> 2:06:11.960 took a nap at lunch, I hadn't eaten anything. And 2:06:12.720 --> 2:06:15.120 I was in my little at one point, I'm in 2:06:15.280 --> 2:06:22.920 like hospital, uh you know, humiliation gown. Uh. And I 2:06:22.960 --> 2:06:26.560 remember realizing like, oh, I haven't eaten anything, and there 2:06:26.600 --> 2:06:30.160 were and there was soup and I got into line 2:06:30.800 --> 2:06:35.280 with the with the crew at Craft Services, and I 2:06:35.360 --> 2:06:40.160 was I was really sleepy, but and I realized that. 2:06:40.200 --> 2:06:41.840 I like, I hadn't eaten and I got up there 2:06:41.880 --> 2:06:44.960 for the soup with the craft services guy was like, uh, 2:06:45.400 --> 2:06:51.040 no background, no background. I was like, no, I'm I'm 2:06:51.160 --> 2:06:53.800 I'm a guest actor. Uh. 2:06:54.080 --> 2:06:55.320 He didn't want to give you the soup. 2:06:56.120 --> 2:06:57.760 He didn't want to give me this. I'm like, please 2:06:57.840 --> 2:06:58.960 just give me the fucking suit. 2:06:59.240 --> 2:07:01.400 Well, I was just thinking, I bet that West Wing's 2:07:01.440 --> 2:07:02.560 schedule was wild. 2:07:03.000 --> 2:07:08.960 Yeah, that it was insane crazy. I've said this, I've 2:07:09.000 --> 2:07:14.840 said this, it was crazy, and I don't know what 2:07:15.080 --> 2:07:18.640 was going on back then. I think they didn't want 2:07:19.160 --> 2:07:24.320 to admit how long, how many episodes. They didn't want 2:07:24.360 --> 2:07:30.360 to break the eight days, the pretense that you could 2:07:30.360 --> 2:07:33.960 make that show in eight days, right, the level of 2:07:34.200 --> 2:07:38.520 first of all, what Aaron did on that show. I 2:07:38.600 --> 2:07:43.360 wrote two episodes a year apart. I thought my brain 2:07:43.440 --> 2:07:48.480 was going to fucking break. He wrote twenty two for 2:07:48.600 --> 2:07:54.320 four years. That is the equivalent. You know, The Sopranos 2:07:54.360 --> 2:07:57.400 is as good as any mob movie. The West Wing, 2:07:57.480 --> 2:08:00.200 I would I don't think it's arrogant to say was 2:08:00.240 --> 2:08:03.120 attempting to be as good as any political movie. So 2:08:03.160 --> 2:08:09.960 you're making the equivalent of eleven feature films in nine months, 2:08:10.560 --> 2:08:12.760 and they would pretend that they could do it in 2:08:12.880 --> 2:08:20.120 eight days because they if they broke that rule, other 2:08:20.240 --> 2:08:24.919 shows would want more time as well. So a short 2:08:25.040 --> 2:08:30.240 day for us was fifteen hours, and it was far 2:08:30.280 --> 2:08:34.600 more brutal for the crew and people. If you're doing 2:08:34.680 --> 2:08:38.640 a feature, it's a sprint and you can do six weeks, 2:08:39.600 --> 2:08:42.480 you know, if you're doing a series. And again, especially 2:08:42.560 --> 2:08:46.120 for the crew, people started to like go nuts, and 2:08:46.960 --> 2:08:51.320 I mean eventually, you know, it was like I remember 2:08:52.400 --> 2:08:56.520 braying at somebody, like, you know, the invisible carnage of 2:08:56.840 --> 2:09:01.560 the unfucked wives and the children not being read to 2:09:01.880 --> 2:09:07.280 is just like wafting out into the future. And that's 2:09:07.280 --> 2:09:08.400 a good name for a band. 2:09:08.560 --> 2:09:12.240 By the way, the invisible Carnage of the Unfucked Wives 2:09:12.280 --> 2:09:13.000 even more hard. 2:09:13.920 --> 2:09:19.400 That's that's their first album. That was their day. Yeah, 2:09:19.520 --> 2:09:21.800 but yeah, I know, I know it was insane. 2:09:22.080 --> 2:09:25.800 I just saw Janelle and uh, she's done an sv 2:09:26.280 --> 2:09:29.560 Janelle Maloney from She's on an SVU. She's the doctor 2:09:29.880 --> 2:09:31.840 we were trying to get for that episode. 2:09:31.720 --> 2:09:35.680 Yeah, And I had agreed, I was, she lives in 2:09:35.720 --> 2:09:40.680 Brooklyn and we haven't you know, and Allison and I 2:09:40.760 --> 2:09:45.840 talk about this. I mean we it was brutal, but 2:09:47.480 --> 2:09:52.400 we are all. Even Richard Schiff is grateful. I mean, 2:09:53.800 --> 2:10:00.280 which is a miracle, uh for him to experience that emotion. Uh, 2:10:00.760 --> 2:10:07.200 but you know, it was such a crushing level of 2:10:07.680 --> 2:10:11.520 it was familial. You know, you were you will be 2:10:11.680 --> 2:10:15.280 revealed in your good days, your bad days, you're tired, 2:10:16.040 --> 2:10:19.240 you know, you're happy. Uh, it was. It was a 2:10:19.320 --> 2:10:22.240 very intense thing. And now only on a show like 2:10:22.400 --> 2:10:27.360 s for you do you get that, uh you know 2:10:27.600 --> 2:10:32.240 in like intensity. You know, on Handmaids you do, you know, 2:10:32.720 --> 2:10:35.960 or Diplomat you do eight or ten every couple of years, 2:10:37.280 --> 2:10:46.520 which is saner and the wives get fucked. But uh 2:10:46.560 --> 2:10:47.960 but it's a different different kinds. 2:10:48.160 --> 2:10:51.160 First, you know, I miss I miss some of these 2:10:51.200 --> 2:10:52.760 twenty two episodes. 2:10:53.120 --> 2:10:56.000 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah no, And like I think the 2:10:56.040 --> 2:10:58.680 pit is kind of a sweet spot. What are they fifteen? 2:10:58.840 --> 2:11:03.560 Yeah, they do fifteen the pet It's good, yeah, because 2:11:03.600 --> 2:11:09.120 it's the full shift. Your episode of your this episode 2:11:09.120 --> 2:11:13.200 where you're the Woody Allen type is the the episode 2:11:13.280 --> 2:11:15.720 right after it is another West Wing Josh Molina, It's 2:11:15.840 --> 2:11:20.880 episode thought criminal lawyer. He his episode is creepy. He's 2:11:20.920 --> 2:11:22.120 a guy who builds a. 2:11:22.120 --> 2:11:25.160 F Are you aware of my thing with John? 2:11:26.320 --> 2:11:33.040 Oh? We need to cut this, we could do off No, no, I. 2:11:32.960 --> 2:11:40.000 Want it on the record. Josh is uh the very 2:11:40.640 --> 2:11:43.360 I met Aaron Sorkin because I was in a Few 2:11:43.360 --> 2:11:47.120 Good Men on Broadway and my first night on a 2:11:47.160 --> 2:11:51.080 Broadway stage, which is in an Aaron Sorkin piece, It's 2:11:51.120 --> 2:11:59.760 like jumping on a moving train. It's terrifying, terrifying, and uh, 2:11:59.800 --> 2:12:02.120 I get halfway through and then there's a big trial. 2:12:02.280 --> 2:12:06.640 Initially I was playing the Kevin Bacon part then, and 2:12:06.680 --> 2:12:09.720 I was understudying the lead, and then I took over 2:12:09.800 --> 2:12:15.000 the lead, which is why I got west Way. Basically, 2:12:16.160 --> 2:12:20.720 Aaron gave me like a big break. But I'm going 2:12:20.760 --> 2:12:25.640 into a Broadway play. I am. You're basically watching the 2:12:25.680 --> 2:12:29.320 play and rehearsing with a stage manager, and then you 2:12:29.360 --> 2:12:33.640 do one put in and then you're on and it's terrifying. 2:12:34.160 --> 2:12:36.520 And I'm halfway through and I have the big court 2:12:36.600 --> 2:12:39.800 scene and I come down and we're facing the audience 2:12:40.160 --> 2:12:45.320 and I open up my briefcase and it is plastered 2:12:46.840 --> 2:12:52.400 with pornography that haunts me to this day that Josh 2:12:52.440 --> 2:12:55.640 Molina put in there my first night. And it turns 2:12:55.640 --> 2:12:59.000 out that Josh is a how do I put it, 2:12:59.160 --> 2:13:06.600 malignant practical joker, like dangerous, not funny. And Josh he 2:13:06.640 --> 2:13:11.280 almost got fired because he put itching powder in one 2:13:11.280 --> 2:13:16.200 of the marines costumes, which is technically actually kind of 2:13:16.240 --> 2:13:19.040 a poison. So you have a marine up on a thing, 2:13:19.160 --> 2:13:20.600 like you know, like like going like this. 2:13:21.920 --> 2:13:24.280 Josh is a little porn in the briefcase, I can 2:13:24.320 --> 2:13:26.960 get behind, but you can't give people like a rash. 2:13:27.440 --> 2:13:32.840 Josh one director west Wing would destroy directors. They would 2:13:32.880 --> 2:13:35.680 come in cocky, you know, and like, you know, maybe 2:13:35.680 --> 2:13:37.440 I'll get nominated for an Emmy and you would find 2:13:37.440 --> 2:13:42.880 them weeping behind flats. And Friday night you shoot until 2:13:42.920 --> 2:13:47.120 like you know, two three in the morning, and this 2:13:47.240 --> 2:13:52.360 poor guy is like staggering out the door and Warner 2:13:52.360 --> 2:13:55.800 Brothers and just wants to go home and sleep for 2:13:55.840 --> 2:14:02.440 a short weekend. Josh has gotten the guy's keys from 2:14:02.480 --> 2:14:07.640 Transpo and put a bunch of stuff from the set 2:14:07.800 --> 2:14:11.720 like Teddy Roosevelt's snowbel prize in some computers in the 2:14:11.760 --> 2:14:17.800 back of the guy's car and calls security when we 2:14:17.840 --> 2:14:23.280 wrap at three in the morning. And basically, long story, 2:14:23.280 --> 2:14:27.920 short the directors, basically getting arrested by the Burbank police 2:14:28.800 --> 2:14:32.000 for stealing stuff. That's his idea of a hahaha. 2:14:32.240 --> 2:14:33.200 How did everyone get out of it? 2:14:33.320 --> 2:14:41.520 So he did something to me which is too long, 2:14:41.760 --> 2:14:46.280 too long to go into. So I I had to 2:14:46.440 --> 2:14:50.360 I have made the mistake of engaging in this with him, 2:14:51.320 --> 2:14:59.160 and I got him. I got hold of the memoriam 2:14:59.320 --> 2:15:04.360 editor for the SAG Awards to get him cut into 2:15:04.400 --> 2:15:08.640 the memory will and I had a check written for 2:15:08.720 --> 2:15:12.760 several thousand dollars and the guy chickened out, which is 2:15:12.840 --> 2:15:17.200 lucky because it would have been the greatest thing ever, 2:15:17.680 --> 2:15:21.160 but horribly disrespectful to the people who died that year. 2:15:21.480 --> 2:15:25.600 But he would have been declared dead to all of 2:15:25.640 --> 2:15:33.879 show business. And when I got to write The West Wings, 2:15:36.960 --> 2:15:44.440 the second one, all I knew was I wanted to 2:15:44.720 --> 2:15:51.520 get to a moment where Josh had to humiliate himself 2:15:51.520 --> 2:15:55.320 on national television. So this was after John Spencer died. 2:15:56.240 --> 2:16:00.160 And I keep it on my phone because it's I'm 2:16:00.200 --> 2:16:05.000 more proud of it than uh anything I've ever done creatively. 2:16:06.280 --> 2:16:11.560 The Allison is now the Press Secretary, Josh is the 2:16:11.560 --> 2:16:16.120 Press Secretary. Alison is now the chief of staff, and 2:16:16.320 --> 2:16:22.560 Alison brings Josh into the office and says, the president's 2:16:22.560 --> 2:16:30.640 son in law is having an affair and uh, he 2:16:30.760 --> 2:16:36.800 says why he's like he was running for Congress and 2:16:36.800 --> 2:16:39.840 and and Josh is playing the press secretary. And he goes, 2:16:39.879 --> 2:16:44.240 why didn't you tell me that? And she she's because 2:16:44.360 --> 2:16:46.760 you're the press secretary. You have to you have to 2:16:47.160 --> 2:16:49.160 deal with the deal with the press, and he and 2:16:49.200 --> 2:16:53.560 he goes, uh, uh, yeah, exactly, I deal with the press. 2:16:53.600 --> 2:16:56.760 I should be the least informed person in the room. 2:16:57.320 --> 2:17:00.640 You taught me that. And she goes, suck it up, 2:17:01.200 --> 2:17:06.480 and he goes, I can't act. I am a terrible actor. 2:17:07.600 --> 2:17:12.840 I don't like to pretend. And I got it into 2:17:12.879 --> 2:17:15.360 an episode and I keep it on my phone to 2:17:15.440 --> 2:17:20.039 want me to play it for you. I do my 2:17:20.040 --> 2:17:22.160 bensport when I'm the least informed person in the room. 2:17:22.200 --> 2:17:22.800 You taught me that. 2:17:22.920 --> 2:17:23.360 Suck it up. 2:17:23.400 --> 2:17:25.320 I can't act. 2:17:25.320 --> 2:17:30.680 You were up to protect during the podcast. The truth 2:17:30.720 --> 2:17:33.440 of it is, I love Josh oh Good. At first, 2:17:33.480 --> 2:17:35.360 I was like, oh, have I brought up some deep 2:17:35.400 --> 2:17:37.520 seated West wing feud that I didn't know about. 2:17:37.760 --> 2:17:39.800 Thank you for giving us so much time and so 2:17:39.840 --> 2:17:41.039 many great. 2:17:41.000 --> 2:17:45.200 Really funny. Tell everybody to go see Tell everybody to 2:17:45.240 --> 2:17:46.199 go see. 2:17:46.160 --> 2:17:48.879 For worse or worse. Thank you so much, Bradley. This 2:17:49.040 --> 2:17:55.560 was awesome. This was one of the best moments of 2:17:55.600 --> 2:17:55.959 my life. 2:17:55.959 --> 2:17:58.400 I would say, I mean, I think we talked to 2:17:58.480 --> 2:18:01.000 him for was that was that like our longest interview. 2:18:01.040 --> 2:18:02.160 I think we talked to him for like an hour 2:18:02.160 --> 2:18:02.560 and a half. 2:18:02.800 --> 2:18:06.800 I just truly feel like I really laughed for my innercore. 2:18:08.520 --> 2:18:10.680 And oh, I'm trying to find the quotes. I really 2:18:10.720 --> 2:18:12.640 liked his quotes. I was talking about getting the crew's 2:18:12.920 --> 2:18:14.199 like wives fucked. 2:18:13.920 --> 2:18:16.879 For weeks, like after we talked to him, Wait what 2:18:17.520 --> 2:18:18.880 when he was like, we need to get the crew 2:18:18.920 --> 2:18:19.920 home to fuck their wives. 2:18:20.360 --> 2:18:24.840 Oh yes, it's like the best. 2:18:25.120 --> 2:18:25.600 And I like that. 2:18:25.640 --> 2:18:28.160 He said like set should feel like recess, not like school. 2:18:28.440 --> 2:18:32.000 That it's like, yeah, like practice of submission is what 2:18:32.080 --> 2:18:32.760 acting is. 2:18:32.920 --> 2:18:33.000 Like. 2:18:33.120 --> 2:18:36.000 He's just fun, but I think he takes his work seriously, 2:18:36.080 --> 2:18:38.760 but he doesn't take himself seriously or like the business 2:18:38.879 --> 2:18:43.279 in that way and still is feels really like excited 2:18:43.320 --> 2:18:46.280 to work and likes all these people he's met. 2:18:46.440 --> 2:18:49.359 I'm just I'm in I was like very taken. 2:18:49.120 --> 2:18:52.160 By yes, I love him. I love his work. Who's 2:18:52.200 --> 2:18:54.640 the guy in Chicago that I love him? And Amy? 2:18:54.840 --> 2:18:58.120 Dennis Weber? You're out? What was the guy's name that 2:18:58.160 --> 2:18:59.880 I loved from we loved him so much? We don't 2:18:59.879 --> 2:19:02.720 know his name? Steve Weber? See it was years ago. 2:19:02.879 --> 2:19:06.800 Come on, I know, I remember when we interviewed him 2:19:06.800 --> 2:19:09.360 because we were in the Carolinas and we were in 2:19:09.360 --> 2:19:11.959 a weird hotel, so like we were at a hotel. 2:19:13.360 --> 2:19:17.720 But yeah, Steve Weber's out. Bradley Whitford in I mean 2:19:18.560 --> 2:19:22.240 of my heart. Yeah, but I love him so much. 2:19:22.280 --> 2:19:24.760 I love his relationship with Amy Landaker. I love them 2:19:25.240 --> 2:19:30.000 finding love after love. You know, there's also something so 2:19:30.080 --> 2:19:32.600 comforting about him to me. Like I said, I did 2:19:32.680 --> 2:19:35.640 quit The Handmaid's Tale after like two or three seasons 2:19:35.680 --> 2:19:37.640 because it got too real and then I started having kids. 2:19:37.680 --> 2:19:40.440 But his character just being kind of one of the 2:19:40.560 --> 2:19:43.280 like good guys, was like, he's comforting to me in 2:19:43.280 --> 2:19:43.560 that way. 2:19:43.600 --> 2:19:46.080 Also because I got to watch West Wing. 2:19:46.160 --> 2:19:48.280 I never was a West Winger, but like I had 2:19:48.280 --> 2:19:50.560 a friend come over recently who's like, oh, I watched 2:19:50.560 --> 2:19:52.160 the West Wing like once a year, and I was like, 2:19:52.160 --> 2:19:54.760 we just interviewed Bradley on our podcast, and she was like, what, 2:19:54.959 --> 2:19:56.760 like people are obsessed, like they. 2:19:56.879 --> 2:19:59.080 I want to watch West Wing. I pulled it up 2:19:59.160 --> 2:20:02.240 on a tab, but I still haven't watched any TV 2:20:02.320 --> 2:20:05.920 shows since. But I haven't watched it a Rivalry either. 2:20:05.920 --> 2:20:08.240 I've put myself on like buz, yeah yeah. 2:20:08.400 --> 2:20:11.000 Like yeah, get into drag Race. I'm liking this season. 2:20:11.040 --> 2:20:12.560 I like, I will. 2:20:12.600 --> 2:20:15.759 I just truly am like reading or doing my Russian homework. 2:20:15.440 --> 2:20:17.800 Or like ow. I mean, I'm not sitting here trying 2:20:17.800 --> 2:20:20.279 to beg you to get on a twelve hour show binge. 2:20:20.400 --> 2:20:22.520 I don't want that. I like what you're doing. I 2:20:22.640 --> 2:20:22.840 like that. 2:20:23.240 --> 2:20:25.160 It's been fine. I have been getting blacked out. That 2:20:25.360 --> 2:20:29.000 is a reality as well. But I you know, it's fine. 2:20:29.480 --> 2:20:32.480 You live in New York, you're young, you're having fun. 2:20:33.840 --> 2:20:38.880 Come on, I'm giving you permission anyway, so reasonable doubt. 2:20:38.879 --> 2:20:42.320 Oh yeah, we'll talk every one. Everyone's a molester, everyone 2:20:42.760 --> 2:20:44.840 is a I mean. The sad part to me is that, Like, 2:20:45.080 --> 2:20:47.840 the sad part to me is that like Roman Polanski's victim, 2:20:47.959 --> 2:20:51.480 just like felt I think so, I don't know, I'm 2:20:51.480 --> 2:20:53.600 not going to speak for her, but like that you 2:20:53.600 --> 2:20:56.760 would go after the person, toe the person get some 2:20:57.120 --> 2:20:59.640 bit of justice, and then publicly be like it was 2:20:59.640 --> 2:21:01.960 always it's fine. It's like even if that is how 2:21:01.959 --> 2:21:03.680 you feel, because I'm not going to tell anybody how 2:21:03.720 --> 2:21:07.240 to feel. Like, why are we sending that message that 2:21:07.320 --> 2:21:08.800 it is okay for a man to have sex with 2:21:08.840 --> 2:21:10.360 a thirteen year old while they're on kailud. 2:21:10.360 --> 2:21:12.800 It's like, I don't know, like that's not that's we. 2:21:13.160 --> 2:21:15.160 Even with the Michael Jackson where it's like they were 2:21:15.200 --> 2:21:17.800 just napping and it's like, okay, but why are they napping? 2:21:18.080 --> 2:21:18.240 Yeah? 2:21:18.320 --> 2:21:20.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like what are you talking? 2:21:20.440 --> 2:21:22.160 I think we just need to say that going forward, 2:21:22.160 --> 2:21:25.360 this isn't okay. So I think it's okay for her 2:21:25.360 --> 2:21:27.640 to come out and say I'm through this, like I've 2:21:27.680 --> 2:21:29.800 moved on, like but not to be like it was 2:21:29.920 --> 2:21:33.520 never a problem is so strange. But also, who knows 2:21:33.600 --> 2:21:36.879 what being under media scrutiny since you were thirteen for 2:21:36.920 --> 2:21:40.400 this one specific extremely famous case has done to your 2:21:40.600 --> 2:21:41.560 youth psychologically. 2:21:41.640 --> 2:21:46.920 But this episode, I don't know, there's just. 2:21:47.080 --> 2:21:50.560 Really okay things in such a week. It's so weird 2:21:50.720 --> 2:21:55.440 what people don't want to deal it. I don't know 2:21:55.560 --> 2:21:59.880 it's it's really strange, like I would never be friends 2:21:59.879 --> 2:22:03.959 with someone that married their daughter in any capacity, like 2:22:04.160 --> 2:22:07.800 not a step, not a twice removed, not like a 2:22:08.640 --> 2:22:11.800 fake situation where it's like just your friend's kid, like 2:22:12.720 --> 2:22:16.080 I yeah, even though it's just like I don't understand 2:22:16.120 --> 2:22:22.360 the leniency with which people I don't know bring people 2:22:22.400 --> 2:22:26.640 into their lives. Yeah, yeah, to make a movie. 2:22:27.879 --> 2:22:32.720 I mean, people are hungry for fame, you know, but 2:22:33.920 --> 2:22:34.720 don't I know it. 2:22:35.320 --> 2:22:41.320 Yeah, anyway, let's let's get onto what would sister Peg do? 2:22:41.680 --> 2:22:45.000 This week, Chris Fleming was on Caleb's podcast and he 2:22:45.080 --> 2:22:45.360 was talking. 2:22:45.400 --> 2:22:46.960 He's like, of course I want to be mega famous. 2:22:47.000 --> 2:22:49.160 He's like, I am pissed that I'm not, and Caleb's like, no, 2:22:49.240 --> 2:22:51.200 you're like too weird, Like no way, he goes, No, 2:22:51.320 --> 2:22:52.440 I want to be Regis filming. 2:22:52.560 --> 2:22:58.160 That's my icon. And I know he's being so sincere, 2:22:58.240 --> 2:22:59.560 but like, and I get it. 2:22:59.600 --> 2:23:01.640 To have a Day Times show for decades on air 2:23:01.760 --> 2:23:04.279 is like incredible, but like, yeah, I guess, yeah, reaches 2:23:05.080 --> 2:23:07.440 I used to I like Barbara Walters, Like I get it, 2:23:07.480 --> 2:23:08.119 but it's just. 2:23:08.040 --> 2:23:10.480 Like it tickled me. It tickled me, And he had 2:23:10.520 --> 2:23:14.760 a great analysis of feter rivalry Chris Fleming. Catch him 2:23:14.760 --> 2:23:17.080 on Caleb's podcast. He's so fucking funny and get his 2:23:17.200 --> 2:23:17.920 watch a special. 2:23:18.440 --> 2:23:20.360 I haven't watched him watch I love him. 2:23:20.480 --> 2:23:21.000 I just do that. 2:23:21.640 --> 2:23:23.360 But I get kind of jealous because I feel like 2:23:23.400 --> 2:23:25.200 Caleb and I really connect on his pot and I 2:23:25.200 --> 2:23:27.000 don't like the way he laughs with Chris Fleming. 2:23:27.480 --> 2:23:30.920 Ah, but he laughs with so many people. Yeah, but 2:23:31.000 --> 2:23:31.440 I know that. 2:23:31.879 --> 2:23:34.039 I know mine is different, but when I see it 2:23:34.080 --> 2:23:35.120 with Chris, I get pissed. 2:23:35.440 --> 2:23:36.320 But that's how I feel. 2:23:36.160 --> 2:23:37.720 When I sit at my coffee shop, when I see 2:23:37.720 --> 2:23:39.280 them being nice to other regulars, I'm like, who the 2:23:39.320 --> 2:23:39.760 fuck is that? 2:23:40.000 --> 2:23:41.560 Excuse me, excuse me? 2:23:41.600 --> 2:23:41.720 What? 2:23:42.360 --> 2:23:45.400 Get out of here. I like, take your macha, take 2:23:45.400 --> 2:23:47.640 your macha and move on. You're talking to my friends. 2:23:47.800 --> 2:23:49.879 They would never serve much at my coffee shop. They 2:23:49.920 --> 2:23:53.000 don't have DJs, well latte. You know, I don't even 2:23:53.040 --> 2:23:55.280 drink coffee. I'm throwing the terms out like I don't 2:23:55.280 --> 2:23:59.480 even know what I'm talking about. Okay, So throwing the 2:23:59.600 --> 2:24:03.240 terms I don't know, like flat white, like I don't 2:24:03.240 --> 2:24:07.000 even know what things are. Okay. So let's get into 2:24:07.040 --> 2:24:09.360 what would sister peg do our weekly segment where we 2:24:09.760 --> 2:24:13.440 direct you guys to an organization a blog post. 2:24:13.520 --> 2:24:15.000 I always say, blog post, it's so stupid. 2:24:15.040 --> 2:24:19.400 We barely ever do a blog post, an article, a documentary, 2:24:19.440 --> 2:24:23.440 something to give you more info about the case we covered, 2:24:23.600 --> 2:24:26.320 or the you know, the topics we touched on. And 2:24:26.360 --> 2:24:28.320 this week we wanted to point you towards the Hollywood 2:24:28.360 --> 2:24:30.879 Reporter article from ten years ago that Ronan Pharaoh wrote 2:24:30.879 --> 2:24:33.440 about his dad, called my father, Woody Allan and the 2:24:33.520 --> 2:24:36.800 danger of questions unasked. This is one of the early 2:24:36.879 --> 2:24:38.720 articles that put Ronan Pharaoh on the map. You guys 2:24:38.720 --> 2:24:40.960 all know I talked about this awesome Ronan Pharaoh piece 2:24:41.000 --> 2:24:44.280 that I read last year. This article is really critical 2:24:44.280 --> 2:24:46.200 of the media and the way it handled Woody Allen 2:24:46.320 --> 2:24:48.640 and other well known sexual predators. And we all know 2:24:49.160 --> 2:24:51.680 this is pre Harvey Weinstein, me too. We all know 2:24:51.760 --> 2:24:55.359 Ronan Pharaoh was very instrumental in bringing that entire movement 2:24:55.520 --> 2:24:58.440 to light. And there are a lot of lessons in 2:24:58.480 --> 2:25:01.879 this article that the media could still so to read it, 2:25:01.920 --> 2:25:04.400 head over to the Hollywood Reporter and we will have 2:25:04.480 --> 2:25:07.440 that linked in our show notes and in a story 2:25:08.200 --> 2:25:10.840 that we post in our stories on Instagram at That's 2:25:10.879 --> 2:25:14.039 Messed Up Pod that come out to day this episode airs, 2:25:14.240 --> 2:25:16.959 and we always save those in our WWSPD highlight on 2:25:17.000 --> 2:25:18.560 our Instagram page, So get on over there if you 2:25:18.640 --> 2:25:21.480 ever want to say, what was that organization that they mentioned? 2:25:21.560 --> 2:25:25.680 It's there and that's that, and that is that. 2:25:26.080 --> 2:25:30.160 And next week we'll be doing Great Expectations Season eighteen, 2:25:30.520 --> 2:25:31.800 episode eleven. 2:25:34.160 --> 2:25:35.720 Bye, everybody, see you next week. 2:25:44.200 --> 2:25:46.400 That's Messed Up as an exactly right production. 2:25:46.800 --> 2:25:48.879 If you have compliments you'd like to give us or 2:25:48.959 --> 2:25:51.199 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 2:25:51.240 --> 2:25:54.560 it That's Messed uppod at gmail dot com. 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