1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: From the Bloomberg Interactive Burgers Studios. This is Bloomberg day 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Break for Monday May fifteenth. 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: Coming up today, Debt ceiling talks prepared to resume tomorrow, 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: Border crossings drop, bucking expectations of a surge, Turkeys poised 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: for a runoff, PHOTUS President Erdawan tries to stay in power. 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: And Newmont Mining makes a nineteen billion dollar acquisition. 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 3: New York area hotels will be used to house asylum 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 3: seekers plus victims. On the anniversary of the Dudley Buffalo 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: supermarket shooting, where we remembered, I'm Michael Barr. 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 4: More ahead, I'm Tom stan Sharan's fourth. 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 5: The Yankees lost eighty seven of the Rays the Mets 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 5: with two in Washington. The Celtics won Game seven from 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 5: the sixers. 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 6: That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg day Break, the business 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 6: news you need to start your day in just one 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 6: fifteen minute podcast each morning on Apples, Spotify, the Bloomberg 17 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 6: Business app, and everywhere you get your podcasts. 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: are the stories we're following today. 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 3: Karon. 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: We start this week with possible signs of progress on 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: the debt ceiling. It appears that talks between President Biden 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: and congressional leaders will resume tomorrow. 24 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 7: Bloomberg's Ed Baxter has the story. 25 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 8: The buzz over the weekend from all sides is that 26 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 8: progress is being made, and during a reporter spray, President 27 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 8: Joe Biden was asked, will it. 28 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: Be on Tuesday? 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 9: It's been reported it'll be tuesday. 30 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 8: Thinks so, and he says he feels good about it. 31 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 10: I remy not be mistake because I'm a conngeneral optimist, 32 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 10: but I really think there's a desire on their part 33 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 10: as well as ours to basagreement. 34 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 3: I think we'll be able to. 35 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 8: Do Meanwhile, Congress from Michael McCall, caution's adversaries are watching. 36 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 9: Particularly China, to see us default. 37 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: You know, our full faith and credit. 38 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 8: All of course subject to change. In San Francisco, I'm 39 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 8: at Baxter Bloomberg Daybreak. 40 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: All right, Ed, thanks Willas talks appear to resume, the 41 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: White House is repeating calls for Congress to lift the 42 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: dead limit. The latest such comments come from National Economic 43 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: Council Director Lyle Brainerd. 44 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 11: The staff is very engaged. I would characterize the engagement 45 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 11: as serious as constructive. When I talk to CEOs to 46 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 11: business leaders around the country, they tell me things are 47 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 11: actually going very well, but their biggest concern is that 48 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 11: Congress might fail to prevent default and that that would 49 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 11: be catastrophic. 50 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Hile Brainerd made the comments on Face the Nation from 51 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: CBA schedule the program every Sunday on Bloomberg Radio Care 52 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: and the. 53 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: Risk of default appears greater than it's ever been and 54 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: that has Wall Street looking for the best place to 55 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: put money to hedge that risk. We have a new 56 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: survey out and Bloomberg's John Tucker joins us with the details. 57 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 4: John and Nathan the game of Chicken over the debt ceiling, 58 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: putting the glitter on gold. More than half of finance 59 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: professionals say the precious metal is what they would buy 60 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 4: if the US government fails to honor its obligations, and 61 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 4: that doesn't seem to be much of an alternative. In 62 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 4: a distant second to gold US treasuries. That's the pick 63 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 4: for about fourteen percent of investment for fas Now that's 64 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 4: a bit ironic since that represents the debt on which 65 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 4: the country would be defaulting. Bitcoin came in third, even 66 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 4: ahead of the US dollar the Japanese Yen and the 67 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 4: Swiss franc in New York on John Tucker Bloomberg Daybreak. 68 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: All right, John, thanks, Now, let's turn to the situation 69 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: at the southern border. The surgeon migrants that had been 70 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: expected after the end of pandemic era restrictions has apparently 71 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: failed to materialize. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandra Mayorcis says there's 72 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: been a fifty percent drop in border encounter since Title 73 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: forty two has lifted last week. 74 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 12: We have seen I think approximately sixty three hundred on 75 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 12: Friday and about forty two hundred yesterday by the United 76 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 12: States Border Patrol, and we saw over ten thousand before 77 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 12: the end of Title forty two earlier last week. 78 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: Homeland Security Secretary Alejandra Mayorkis spoke to CNN yesterday. He 79 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: says it's still too soon to know if the surgeon 80 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: crossings has peaked. 81 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: Another major political story this morning, Karen brings us to 82 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: the elections in Turkey. Preliminary results show President Retchip type 83 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: Ernawan with a lead of more than two million votes, 84 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: but that may not be enough to avoid a second 85 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: round of voting. We get more from Bloomberg's use of 86 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: Kamali al Dean in his standball. 87 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 9: Ninety nine percent of the vote down and President ch 88 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 9: of pipe Erhon maintains that there's still a chance that 89 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 9: he could win it in round one. In Canaklitch the 90 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 9: rolo about to sort of forty five percent in round one, 91 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 9: says he could win round two as it comes to it. 92 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 9: But reality is also coming together in terms of the 93 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 9: stronger position that the incumb but president finds himself in 94 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 9: in round two with the parliamentary numbers speaking in his 95 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 9: favor and the third contender for the vote in round 96 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 9: one and Olgan that's about too manion votes and the 97 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 9: people have spoken to suggest that a good number of 98 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 9: those people are more likely to vote for President Richard 99 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 9: pypeer On when it comes down to it. 100 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's use of Kamali al Dean says risk assets in 101 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 2: Turkey fell on the results Turkish stock slump sick zero 102 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: point four percent before triggering halt and trading. 103 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: Well in London today, Nathan, UK Prime Minister Rishi Suna 104 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,119 Speaker 1: Guess meeting with Ukraine President Vladimir Zelenski, and we get 105 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: more from Bloomberg. So you and pots in London, you 106 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: and good morning. 107 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 13: Good morning counter Nathan, Paris, Rome, Berlin and now London. 108 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 13: Vladimir Zlenski's tour of Europe continues today with a surprise 109 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 13: visit to the UK by Minisousisinak is set to promise 110 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 13: more weapons for Kiev, including hundreds of attack drones and 111 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 13: air defense missiles. Zelenski's whistletop mission comes as Ukrainian forces 112 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 13: prepare for a counter offenses to take back territory occupied 113 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 13: by Russia. In London, I'm you and pot'spin Bog daybreak, 114 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 13: new and thanks. 115 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 7: Got a couple of deals to begin the week. 116 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: First, Australia's New Crest Mining has agreed to a takeover 117 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: deal with Neumont. Bloomberg's Doug Krisner has the story. 118 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 14: Newmont first approached its Australian rival back in February with 119 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 14: a non binding bid worth seventeen billion dollars, but it 120 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 14: was rejected by the board at Newcrest. Then in April, 121 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 14: Newmont sweetened the offer by more more than two billion 122 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 14: dollars and described it as the best and final offer. Well, 123 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 14: now Newcrest has accepted terms worth roughly nineteen point two 124 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 14: billion dollars. This deal would create the world's largest gold producer, 125 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 14: with assets in North and South America, Africa, Australia, and 126 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 14: Papua New Guinea. Newmont will also expand its exposure to copper, 127 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 14: a key metal in the clean energy transition in New York. 128 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 14: I'm Doug Christner, Bloomberg Daybreak. 129 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 7: All right, Dyke, thanks. 130 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: If we have a nearly nineteen billion dollar oil pipeline deal. 131 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: One Oak has agreed to buy Magellan Midstream Partners. A 132 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: deal would create one of the largest oil and natural 133 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: gas pipeline operators in the US. 134 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: Time now to take a look at some of the 135 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: other stories making news in New York and around the 136 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: world with Bloomberg's Michael bar Good morning, Michael. 137 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 3: Good morning, Nathan. New York City has accepted tens of 138 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 3: thousands of migrants, even though officials say the system is strussed. 139 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 3: Mayor Eric Adams is now converting the Roosevelt Hotel into 140 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: an emergency migrants shelter. The historic hotel close during the 141 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: pandemic and will reopen and transform into an arrival center 142 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 3: this week, opening nearly one thousand rooms for asylum seekers. 143 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 3: They will have access to social and medical services. Sunday 144 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: marked one year since the deadly shooting and the supermarket 145 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: in Buffalo, New York, people paused to remember the racially 146 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: motivated massacre at tops supermarket. Church bells chimed across the 147 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: city to honor the ten people killed and three others wounded. 148 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: New York Governor Kathy hokel racism. 149 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 15: Did not win on to day that the people of 150 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 15: Buffalo said that love will come out and be the 151 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 15: winner on this day. I am proud of you, my 152 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 15: fellow Buffalo, as I'm so proud. 153 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer also spoke at the memorial, 154 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: saying families of the victims helped in funding for mental 155 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: health care. 156 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 12: We put money into mental health services which were so needed, 157 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 12: all because of the work the families did. 158 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 7: Now we have a lot more to do. 159 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: This fight isn't over. The eighteen year old gunman was 160 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: sentenced to life in prison without parole. Florida Governor Round 161 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: Descantis appears closer to announcing his run for the White House, 162 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: stumping in Iowa over the weekend. The most recent ABC 163 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: News Washington Post poll of Republicans and GOP leaning independence 164 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: showed a fifty one percent people of preferring Trump to 165 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: be the Republican nominee. That's more than double the lead 166 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: over DeSantis, his nearest opponent. Over the weekend, more than 167 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: fifty twisters tour across the Midwest, from Texas to Nebraska 168 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: to Illinois, one of them deadly striking a town in 169 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: South Texas, killing one man and injuring about a dozen others. 170 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: This man was able to survive the storm. 171 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 12: Oh Wendell came in and it picked me up up 172 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 12: ben and threw me into the walls. 173 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: The EF one tornado had wins of up to one 174 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: hundred five miles an hour. China has sentenced a seventy 175 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: eight year old United States citizen to life in prison 176 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: on spying charges. John Hin Wang Lung, who holds permanent 177 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: residency in Hong Kong, had been detained on April fifteenth, 178 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, by the counterintelligence Agency. Global News twenty 179 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 3: four hours a day, powered by more than twenty seven 180 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 3: hundred journalists and analysts in over one hundred and twenty countries. 181 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: I'm Michael Barr, and this is Bloomberg Nathor. 182 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 7: Thank you, Michael. 183 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: Time now for our Bloomberg Sports Update, brought to you 184 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: by Tri State AUTI. 185 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 7: For that we bring in John Stanshallen all. 186 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 3: Right, Nathan. 187 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 5: The Yankees and the Rais just comfitted seven games in 188 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 5: ten days. Six of the seven were decided by one run. 189 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 5: Both teams had comebacks from six to nothing deficits. The 190 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 5: Yanks did that on Saturday Yesterday, they trailed three to nothing, 191 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 5: then led four to three four four fifth inning bases 192 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 5: loaded too at the first battle that Albert of. 193 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 7: Ray who fazed was the Raise Taylor Wall. 194 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 15: One two pitch, swinging a high drive towards right center, heading. 195 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: Back judge to the wall. 196 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 15: Grand slam. For the second consecutive day, the Rays have 197 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 15: hit a grand slam, and they've got an eight four 198 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 15: lead in the Bronx EAE. 199 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 5: The call Yanks closed that gap, but a week after 200 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 5: they trying to win the series, but lost eight to seven. 201 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 5: Another Sunday, going for a series win, another eight to 202 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 5: seven defeed, Mets had lost five straight series. They won't 203 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 5: lose the one in Washington that ends tonight. After losing 204 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 5: to the Nats three to two in the completion of 205 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 5: the suspended game, they won eight to two, scoring all 206 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 5: eight in the fifty. Max Sures would beat his old team, 207 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 5: got his first winning over a month, Celtics improved to 208 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 5: twenty seven and nine in their history. In Game seven, 209 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 5: blew out Philadelphia one twelve to eighty eight. Jason Tate 210 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 5: imported in fifty one points, most ever in a Game seven, 211 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 5: and so the East Finals Celtics and the Miami Heat. 212 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 5: For the second straight year, the third time in the 213 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 5: last four years, the Vegas Golden Knights are into the 214 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 5: Stanley Cup West Final of five to two Game six 215 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 5: win at Edmonton, Jonathan Marcisso had a natural hat trick 216 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 5: three goals, all in the second period. The Aussee Jason 217 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 5: Day shot sixty two on the Byron Nelson Golf in Dallas' 218 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 5: first PGA wins in twenty eighteen. And now it's onto 219 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 5: the PGA Championship. That tee's off Thursday in Rochester. John 220 00:10:53,920 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 5: Stashaweer Bloomberg Sports. 221 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 10: Live from coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 222 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 10: Boston to Washington, DC, nationwide on SIRIUSXAM, the Bloomberg Business app, 223 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 10: and Bloomberg dot Com. 224 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 7: This is Bloomberg Daybreak. Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. 225 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: We are seeing a bit of optimism at the start 226 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: of this new training week with debt talks continuing in 227 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: Washington and about of M and A news. Let's bring 228 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: in Lauri Calvacina for an outlook on the new week, 229 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: head of US equity strategy at RBC Capital Markets. 230 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 7: Laurie, it's great to speak with you. 231 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: I know you've been talking for really months now about 232 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 2: the risks to markets from a prolonged debt ceiling standoff. 233 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: It seems like that's where we are right now. So 234 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: do you share this market optimism that we are sort 235 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: of seeing this morning? 236 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 16: So thanks for having me as always, And look, I 237 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 16: think the debt ceiling is one of these issues that 238 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 16: you know, I would say long only investors I talked 239 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 16: to that hasn't been the top thing they ask about 240 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 16: over the last few months, but it's been one of 241 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 16: the things they won't let me get out of a 242 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 16: meeting before we talk about. So I just think that 243 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 16: they're you know, I do think it's on people's minds 244 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 16: for quite some time. I think we have only though recently, 245 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 16: really started to see the hedge fund community start to 246 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 16: pay attention. 247 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: And what, as I tell you, when we have the 248 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: hedge funds starting to pay attention to this, what could 249 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: that mean? For the broader market as we get closer 250 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: to that so called X state. 251 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 16: So look, I think that the issue that I noticed 252 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 16: I was in London a few weeks ago and we 253 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 16: were talking to a lot of sort of global macro 254 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 16: type hedge funds, and they were quite negative on the 255 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 16: US already because they think the US is expensive, they 256 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 16: don't believe in the tech trade that was underway at 257 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 16: the time and it's still underway today. And they also 258 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 16: just think that the US is economically disadvantaged relative to 259 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 16: Europe at this point in time. And so that's where 260 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 16: the debt ceiling comes in as sort of a potential 261 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 16: negative catalyst to push a market they don't already like 262 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 16: down and also to throw some extra burden on the 263 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 16: US economy. You know, my point is, I do think 264 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 16: that the debt ceiling is a risk for markets. I'm 265 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 16: not quite as vverish a lot of those London investors 266 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 16: I spill with, but I do think it does have 267 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 16: the potential to add to some volatility in the market 268 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 16: this summer. The thing we've been talking about since February 269 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 16: is there are kind of two kind of dramas you 270 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 16: can get associated with in the debt ceiling, A total 271 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 16: drama year where there's a lot of other stuff going on, 272 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 16: my twenty eleven, twenty eighteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, those 273 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 16: will get you about a ten to nineteen percent draw 274 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 16: down in the equity market. A non drama filled year 275 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 16: where this is kind of the only scandal going on, 276 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 16: that will get you about a five to six percent 277 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 16: hit to markets. And so our assumption has been we'd 278 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 16: at least see a five to six percent out of 279 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 16: volatility from this. But we do think the fact that 280 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 16: we have this banking crisis, keeping confidence fragile, in recession 281 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 16: fears really mounting, similar to twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, that 282 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 16: could put something a little bit more nefarious like a 283 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 16: ten percent draw down on the table. As always though, Nathan, 284 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 16: there are a lot of layers of this. This is 285 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 16: an onion. The more we peel it, the more complicated 286 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 16: things get. So you know, I do think that from 287 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 16: a sector perspective, we put out a piece this morning 288 00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 16: that so things might be a little bit more complic 289 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 16: and we initially assumed. 290 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to pick up on your point about 291 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: the uncertainty that from the hedge funds, you're hearing from 292 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: about the growth trade. That has been something that's really 293 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: paid off in recent weeks as we get through this 294 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: debt ceiling standoff. What's your view on whether the growth 295 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: trade is still something worth looking at. 296 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 16: Well, you know, we had been thinking a few weeks 297 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 16: ago that the growth trade was due for a breather 298 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 16: and that the market was due for a breather, and 299 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 16: this was just really you know, based on the idea 300 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 16: that kind of this broader text cimt trade is a 301 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 16: huge component of the broader market from a marketcap perspective. 302 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 16: And then if you look at the tech trade and stuff, 303 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 16: we've had a whole bunch of catalysts. So first off, 304 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 16: we pre traded the set pause and interest rates coming down. 305 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 16: Then we had the banking crisis that push people out 306 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 16: of value and into growth again. People have been talking 307 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 16: about a sluggish economic recovery down the road that's good 308 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 16: for growth stocks. And then we have this monster earning 309 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 16: season for tech companies which really gave us some positive catalysts. 310 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 16: So we've said, look, we've had a lot of positive 311 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 16: cat for this trade. Maybe you know, it's time for 312 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 16: the market to take a breather on these debt ceiling fears, 313 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 16: and you know, what are the other catalysts for tech coming? 314 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 16: You know what is interesting is I did do an 315 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 16: analysis last week looking at sector performance and past debt 316 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 16: ceiling drawshounds, And the funny thing was, Nathan, it's the 317 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 16: value sectors in the market that tend to get hit hardest. 318 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 16: And so some of the more recent weakness we've seen 319 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 16: on financials, even when we had thought some of the 320 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 16: regional banking fears had died down. You know, we just 321 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 16: sort of laughed when we saw this because the debt 322 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 16: ceiling turns out it's just another thing that's much worse 323 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 16: for values than growth. So maybe we've picked up on 324 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 16: something else that could buy the growth and tech trades 325 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 16: for just a little bit longer. 326 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: Only about thirty seconds left here, Laurie. But another potential 327 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: catalyst is coming up tomorrow in the retail sales figures. 328 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: What's your expectation of whether that could add further to 329 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: the volatility. 330 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 16: So I think, you know, we're kind of living day 331 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 16: to day on these economic data planes. I think what 332 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 16: was interesting in this last reporting season was that we 333 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 16: were seeing evidence of both consumer resiliency. If you looked 334 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 16: at the more services driven companies and the more good 335 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 16: driven companies are continuing to talk about channel shifting and 336 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 16: more negative impacts that they're seeing. So that's the general 337 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 16: thing that we think we've been continuing to see in consumer. 338 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: You know. 339 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 16: I do think investors, on the one hand, they're ready 340 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 16: to get a recession over if we're going to have it. 341 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 16: On the other hand, they do also want to see 342 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 16: some evidence that that consumer resiliency still exists. 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