Speaker 1: It is Thursday, January one. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 1: and now founding member of the John Cena Fan Club,
Speaker 1: Ashland Sullivan. I was so scared when he was going
Speaker 1: to say the entire day for that intro, is this
Speaker 1: how JP does this all day long? We're going to say,
Speaker 1: Joe always has something to kind of get. JPS got
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I was kind of kind of wondering, there, Joe,
Speaker 1: you forget how to push the buttons. We had a
Speaker 1: we had a we had a rehearsal before he actually
Speaker 1: did the real world wrong with some practice, right, nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with the Who're just saying he's always trying to
Speaker 1: get I want to say embarrassed. But he's trying to
Speaker 1: have a little bit of fun with JP, and so
Speaker 1: we gotta have a little fun back. Yeah, it's only fair.
Speaker 1: It's only fair. You're going to regret this, Okay. The
Speaker 1: man has the power to turn my my golf, Yes
Speaker 1: he does, don't test him. Welcome in Jaguars Happy Are
Speaker 1: this fine program? And yes this is not JP Shadwick,
Speaker 1: Ashland Sullivan and for JP, O well deserved week of
Speaker 1: vacation for him. If you have not heard, the Jaguars
Speaker 1: have announced Trent Bulky as the new general manager of
Speaker 1: the Jaguars today. So we have all of that and
Speaker 1: more coming up on this fine program, as well as
Speaker 1: John Osier starting off the show with us, and John,
Speaker 1: I will go to you first. You were listening intensely
Speaker 1: through that press conference, So what was your reaction, Trent
Speaker 1: Bulky urban Meyer check it off the list? General manager,
Speaker 1: head coach done. First of all, Hello Jeff, Hello Ashland.
Speaker 1: Jeff havn't been studio with you in a long time.
Speaker 1: Good to see you again. Um, kind of see you're right, well,
Speaker 1: kind of right virtually. Um. I think anybody who watched
Speaker 1: the presser, it was an unsurprising main theme and the
Speaker 1: word of the day was alignment, and over and over again.
Speaker 1: Even when they were asked other things, they all came
Speaker 1: back to this is alignment. When urban Meyer was asked
Speaker 1: about the importance of Trent having NFL experience, he gave
Speaker 1: a very quick sentence and then he said, but none
Speaker 1: of this works if we're not aligned. So it's clear
Speaker 1: that Shod Conn's Shod Khan's message that this is a
Speaker 1: partnership between GM and head coach and they're working together. Transparency,
Speaker 1: all those buzzwords. You know, I think it's fool as
Speaker 1: to think that urban Meyer is not going to have
Speaker 1: major say in personnel. That's always how this works. But
Speaker 1: it is a partnership in a relationship that is going
Speaker 1: to be symbiotic. Whatever buzzword you used, that's what I
Speaker 1: took from it most of all, Jeff, I think I'll
Speaker 1: show that even though urban Meyer is expected to have
Speaker 1: a pretty big voice and the personnel, you also have
Speaker 1: to know what you don't know. And and I think
Speaker 1: that that will happen in this case because Trent Balky
Speaker 1: obviously has a vast amount of experience in personnel, whereas
Speaker 1: urban Meyer has typically done it from a recruiting standpoint.
Speaker 1: And so if you're urban Meyer, you've got to have
Speaker 1: people number one that you can trust the number two
Speaker 1: that you believe in. And so I think it's I
Speaker 1: think it's great. I mean, you've got to be aligned,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I hate to say this, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that there was alignment here in the past.
Speaker 1: I really don't. And and uh, for whatever reason, sometimes
Speaker 1: general manager might think that things should go a certain way,
Speaker 1: and and coaches are expecting things to go another way.
Speaker 1: And if if you're not on the same page, you've
Speaker 1: got no chance of success. And so I like to
Speaker 1: hear that word alignment and then everybody trying to work
Speaker 1: towards a common goal, because if if you have a
Speaker 1: general manager and a coach that are on the same page,
Speaker 1: you've got no chance. And and Trent Balky alluded to that,
Speaker 1: uh and and I don't think he was very specifically
Speaker 1: talking about it, John and and Ashland from a from
Speaker 1: a from an alignment standpoint and lack of alignment standpoint,
Speaker 1: But he said, out of the thirty two teams in
Speaker 1: the National Football League, or twenty eight of them don't
Speaker 1: have a chance because they're they're not aligned and uh
Speaker 1: and I don't think he used that exact word, but
Speaker 1: he said teams don't have a chance from the very
Speaker 1: get go. And I believe that he was referring to
Speaker 1: the lack of alignment, et cetera. So I don't know. Yes,
Speaker 1: he did say shoot themselves in the foot before the
Speaker 1: season even gets started. I think we all can read
Speaker 1: between the lines on what exactly that means. So you
Speaker 1: mentioned that chain of command. What does it look like?
Speaker 1: Trent Fulky was asked about that both of them reporting
Speaker 1: to directly to shod compilets here. What this partnership is
Speaker 1: going to look like. I'm a resource for coach, That's
Speaker 1: what the way I look at it. I provide a
Speaker 1: service where he can come in, he can bounce things
Speaker 1: off of me. Uh question there, because there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. There's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: things that are going to be first time for him.
Speaker 1: But in the short time I've been with him, the
Speaker 1: one thing I realized he's a quick study. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna take him long to figure the rules out and
Speaker 1: everything that goes with it. And he's certainly as a coach,
Speaker 1: you know, he knows his way around the practice field
Speaker 1: very well. Urban Meyer did mention that he has spent
Speaker 1: tiresly amounts of time with Trump Paulki these past few days.
Speaker 1: They have seen a lot of each other and John,
Speaker 1: I'll go to you. It's kind of it's different. This
Speaker 1: year has been different. But that was the first time
Speaker 1: I've seen Trent Bulky heard from Trump Bulky. He's been
Speaker 1: here almost a year and that's the first time we've
Speaker 1: seen him because of COVID, So it was kind of
Speaker 1: our introductory press conference, even though he's been here a while. Well,
Speaker 1: it's certainly an unusual situation. You know, people covering the
Speaker 1: league this year have been covering people that they've never
Speaker 1: met face to face, which has never happened. Jeff can
Speaker 1: speak to that. He was a player in the league
Speaker 1: for a long time. I've you know. The takeaway, the
Speaker 1: big one is the Trent Bawkey and urban Meyer are
Speaker 1: a line. But I think it's also important to realize
Speaker 1: Trent Balky's reputation is as a guy who stands firm
Speaker 1: in his own decisions. He is a guy who with
Speaker 1: twenty years of experience in this league. He's been a
Speaker 1: general manager for six years, been really covering the show.
Speaker 1: He was general manager of a team that went to
Speaker 1: the to the NFC Championship Game three times. He picked
Speaker 1: players he has insight that urban Meyer needs. This is
Speaker 1: not a one way street. Although Trent said I'm here
Speaker 1: to be a resource, he's more than just a resource.
Speaker 1: His voice matters very much in this triangle that they
Speaker 1: talk about shod Khan, Trent Balky, and Urban Meyer. Trent
Speaker 1: Balky is a third of that for a reason, he's
Speaker 1: experienced and I believe ready for the job. Six years
Speaker 1: experiences at GM, you're ready for your next opportunity in
Speaker 1: that situation, and I think it's too. It's also incredibly
Speaker 1: important with with the hiring of urban Meyer, who doesn't
Speaker 1: have NFL experience, to have other experience around him, and
Speaker 1: I think the general manager position is is critical for
Speaker 1: that and somebody that's been there and done that. And
Speaker 1: obviously the landscape has changed a little bit since he
Speaker 1: was a general manager, but I know that he's followed
Speaker 1: it very well and and he's I'm sure able to
Speaker 1: adapt and adjust. But but to have a first time
Speaker 1: head coach in the National Football League with the with
Speaker 1: the general manager that has experienced and high level experience,
Speaker 1: who has taken teams to a super Bowl, championship, etcetera,
Speaker 1: I think it's critical and I think it's it's a
Speaker 1: smart move by all. And I don't know exactly ultimately
Speaker 1: who was responsible, and you would think that it was
Speaker 1: shot Kahn's decision, but obviously with a lot of influence
Speaker 1: from from urban Meyer, and that's the way it should be.
Speaker 1: And I think that the experience are surrounding a first
Speaker 1: time NFL coach with experience is probably not going to
Speaker 1: stop there. It's probably gonna be a little bit more
Speaker 1: with his own staff and and it will be also
Speaker 1: interesting to see who Trent Balky surrounds himself with because
Speaker 1: change is gonna come. Change is coming within the personnel
Speaker 1: department because and some of it already has happened. He's
Speaker 1: already brought one guy on that he trusts immenseally, and
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that there will be some adjustments at
Speaker 1: the staff as as as the off season rolls along. Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: change is near And one of the biggest things that
Speaker 1: will pay attention to this offseason, it's obviously the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: Eleven draft picks, you have five in the first three rounds. So,
Speaker 1: Trent Bulky, what is the outlook of the NFL draft
Speaker 1: this year? We're always going to look at the value
Speaker 1: of a player. Uh, and value matters that it matters
Speaker 1: in in where in their value is to where you
Speaker 1: draft them, how much you pay them, how much you
Speaker 1: pay them in free agency? Uh. Need Uh, We're We're
Speaker 1: a value based team. Need not a needs based Well,
Speaker 1: you always have needs regardless of when you set the
Speaker 1: fifty three. So the best player available is usually the
Speaker 1: direction you want to go, but yet you have to
Speaker 1: keep in mind the needs of the organization as well
Speaker 1: and the team. Yeah, alright, Jeff, I know you love
Speaker 1: the best player available. That's something good to hear. Well.
Speaker 1: I think I've always been the best available player type guy.
Speaker 1: I think because when you when you start going after needs,
Speaker 1: you have a tendency to start to reach and you
Speaker 1: start to adjust your board based on on well, we
Speaker 1: need a right cornerback or we need a left safety.
Speaker 1: And I'm making terms up because I don't want to
Speaker 1: pinpoint anybody. And we need a new ozone writer. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean, you can't. You're
Speaker 1: just kidding, Johnny, just kidding, Johnny, just kidding. But my
Speaker 1: point is is that I think if you go back
Speaker 1: and you look at the history of the draft and
Speaker 1: you wonder how this franchise could be different if they
Speaker 1: had taken some of the best available players and not
Speaker 1: by reaching for need. I think that the the history
Speaker 1: of this franchise would be vastly different. And uh and John,
Speaker 1: but there are certain positions that are premium positions that
Speaker 1: a lot of people say, well, you're you're reaching for
Speaker 1: that position. I'm not a big believer, and that's saying
Speaker 1: that that's a reach for certain positions because the position
Speaker 1: certainly has Some positions have a premium attached to it
Speaker 1: which makes them more valuable from the very good go.
Speaker 1: I've always said, Jeff, there's not a lot of gms
Speaker 1: walking around the NFL during training camp and looking at
Speaker 1: their roster and saying, man, we have too many good players,
Speaker 1: you know. And the point being there is if you
Speaker 1: sit there in the draft said what we need here,
Speaker 1: we need here, we need if if you quote mess
Speaker 1: up and draft an elite guy at linebacker behind another
Speaker 1: elite guy linebacker, you know what You've got, Jeff, two
Speaker 1: elite players. So I'm all best available. I think it
Speaker 1: always works. There are times you have to do certain
Speaker 1: things in the draft where if guys are close, then yeah,
Speaker 1: you go with a certain position. But uh, your news flash.
Speaker 1: Right now, this team doesn't have too many elite players.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be easy for them to go best available,
Speaker 1: best available very early. And I'm looking forward to seeing
Speaker 1: how they do it because I think a big theme
Speaker 1: right now is Urban may never have been in the NFL,
Speaker 1: but he knows exactly what he wants, competitiveness, speed. I
Speaker 1: think it's to be really easy for Balky and the
Speaker 1: scouting staff to trent him, to scout for him, because
Speaker 1: he's going to be very clear in what he wants
Speaker 1: and what it's gonna take for him to win. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just only add one thing is that because John
Speaker 1: was talking about okay, if you have equal values, then
Speaker 1: you take need. I believe that in you don't do
Speaker 1: that until you get to a certain round. I think
Speaker 1: that you take best available player regardless, and rounds one, two,
Speaker 1: and three that's typically where you get your premium position.
Speaker 1: I think when you start to get two rounds five, six, seven, Okay, look,
Speaker 1: if there is a position that you need and you've
Speaker 1: got equal values, then you then you take the position
Speaker 1: of need. But I think you get on a slippery
Speaker 1: slow when you start saying, well, you know, we we
Speaker 1: really need this position these guys. You know, this guy
Speaker 1: only has maybe two tents of a point higher grade
Speaker 1: than this other guy, so let's take him because he's
Speaker 1: he plays right tackle. We need a right tackle. I
Speaker 1: think that's where you get caught up and you make
Speaker 1: mistakes because even though two tenses is not much you
Speaker 1: don't think, but you know what two tents might be
Speaker 1: the difference between being a tenure player and a guy
Speaker 1: who lasts, you know, for a biscuit and a cup
Speaker 1: of coffee, you know, so, uh, it can make a
Speaker 1: big difference. In my opinion, I don't want a biscuit
Speaker 1: and a cup of coffee, that's for sure. Eleven draft
Speaker 1: picks coming up. Want to get all of these right.
Speaker 1: Coming up in this offseason, there's still a coaching search
Speaker 1: going on building this coaching staff. We've seen reports, we
Speaker 1: haven't gotten any final answer, so we'll talk about that
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Speaker 1: need to be a coach, centrack team and an organization
Speaker 1: where the head coach really has to lead the kind
Speaker 1: of players he wants, the kind of team we need
Speaker 1: to be. And um, the general manager myself, we have
Speaker 1: the support that vision and somehow some way that had
Speaker 1: been lost and the idea here is really more about transparency, collaboration,
Speaker 1: teamwork and accountability. And I've talked to Urban about, um,
Speaker 1: you know, our general manager who it ought to be
Speaker 1: and I you know, and we're working together on it.
Speaker 1: I hope, uh, you know, we'll have an announcement or
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Speaker 1: is gonna be that, you know, and and I shared
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Speaker 1: it will be reporting to me, but everybody in the organization.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna be, you know, carrying out obviously
Speaker 1: Urban's vision of the team and the kind of players
Speaker 1: we want. Who ought to be is general manager. Trent
Speaker 1: Bulky announced today as the Jaguars new general manager, and
Speaker 1: that was Owner's shot com on the hiring of Urban Meyer,
Speaker 1: both of them reporting directly to him. Welcome back Jaguars
Speaker 1: Happy Hour, Ashland Sullivan and for JP on much needed
Speaker 1: vacation here with Jeff Logman and John Osier. So general manager,
Speaker 1: head coach checked off the list. Now you gotta fill
Speaker 1: a coaching staff, and there are all kinds of interviews,
Speaker 1: all kinds of reports going on. So let's look at
Speaker 1: offense first. For some reason, these names are much less
Speaker 1: reported than defense. But you have Scotland Ahn, Anthony Lynn,
Speaker 1: hence the question mark, and next to offensive coordinator. How
Speaker 1: do you figure this out? There's also reports that George
Speaker 1: Warhop will stay on as offensive line coach. But Jeff,
Speaker 1: I'll go to you first, say, in a perfect world,
Speaker 1: do you get Anthony Lynn and Scotland a hand in?
Speaker 1: Who's the O C? How does that work? Well? I
Speaker 1: think it's a great question, But a lot of times
Speaker 1: I think a coach will give you a little bit
Speaker 1: of coach speak with an answer like that and say that, hey,
Speaker 1: look it's a collaboration. It's gonna be me the head coach, uh,
Speaker 1: Scott lind A Hahan and Anthony Lynn. So I think
Speaker 1: that there has to be one person that has the
Speaker 1: final say, and there has to be somebody that is
Speaker 1: calling the plays. But I think also it's very important
Speaker 1: that you get as much talent as you possibly can.
Speaker 1: And and I understand that there's a great relationship with
Speaker 1: Scott Lanahan there. Scott Lanahan has kind of been down
Speaker 1: the road as far as looking for that next step.
Speaker 1: And I think if you're urban Meyer, the one thing
Speaker 1: that you'd like to be able to do, because you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna be drafting a young quarterback Trevor Lawrence, you
Speaker 1: want to make sure that you can have consistency there
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball. Uh. So my
Speaker 1: expectation is it would be somebody that would be less
Speaker 1: apt to leave to take that next opportunity as a
Speaker 1: head coach. And I think Anthony Lenna has had a
Speaker 1: taste of that. So but I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but uh, it'll be interesting to watch.
Speaker 1: But you've got to have somebody that you can expect
Speaker 1: to have for more than just a short amount of time.
Speaker 1: You've got to have some consistency at that position with
Speaker 1: the young quarterback, right, want to build that And John,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this the past couple of days.
Speaker 1: For some reason, there's this, I guess you can call
Speaker 1: it a rumor that urban Meyer only wants college coaches
Speaker 1: around him or experience with college and we take a
Speaker 1: look at these lists and that's not the case. So
Speaker 1: we're not really sure where that's coming from, but it's
Speaker 1: clear he wants NFL experience around him. The guy who
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing here. Well, it's kind of goes
Speaker 1: without saying, you don't win three college national championships if
Speaker 1: you're not a smart guy. He's smart enough to know
Speaker 1: that he needs experience around him in the NFL as
Speaker 1: he makes this transition. Scott Lenahan makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: As Jeff alluded to when Urban was at Bowling Green,
Speaker 1: I think getting the dates right in two thousand one
Speaker 1: when he was making the transition, it actually scratched that
Speaker 1: was before that as an assistant when he was figuring
Speaker 1: out the spread. He visited with Scott Linehan when Lenahan
Speaker 1: was at Louisville, so there is a strong connection there.
Speaker 1: Linahan also has a world of NFL experience. He's been
Speaker 1: a head coach. He's obviously not gonna be a head
Speaker 1: coach here, so he has that experience. He knows what
Speaker 1: a coordinator does, He's got NFL experience. To me, that
Speaker 1: one makes a lot of sense. Anthony Lynn makes sense
Speaker 1: for the same reason. But those are the reasons that
Speaker 1: you're seeing those names. The experienced level of Lynn. But
Speaker 1: the Lenahan Meyer connection is a very solid, very real thing.
Speaker 1: But to your question, Ashlyn, he absolutely knows he needs
Speaker 1: NFL experience. I expect more coaches on this staff to
Speaker 1: have NFL experience than not. That's just a guess, but
Speaker 1: that's what it feels like. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people would would ask two or might suggest, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: well Anthony Lynn can help urban Meyer be a head
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL because Anthony Lynn has been a
Speaker 1: head coach before. Irban Meyer doesn't need any healthy and
Speaker 1: head coach. Okay, urban Byer, He's okay, he's qualified in
Speaker 1: that category. I don't care if it's college or if
Speaker 1: it's the pro game. The head coach that that doesn't
Speaker 1: change much. Obviously the game is a little bit different
Speaker 1: and there's some some nuancewers. But if you know how
Speaker 1: to head coach, you know how to head coach at
Speaker 1: any level. You can coach Pee wee, you can coach NFL,
Speaker 1: you can go to college, it doesn't matter. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's good there, to say the least. And Johnny
Speaker 1: he could interesting well, he could even coach that team
Speaker 1: that you have over your right shoulders. That a football team.
Speaker 1: By the way, the Jacksonville sharksould not have an arena team.
Speaker 1: It was a WFL team back when we were kids. Jeff,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, when I was a kid, But
Speaker 1: don't kid yourself. You're as old as I am. So
Speaker 1: it was back in the WFL, the Jacksonville Sharks and
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Express back to back seventy four and seventy five.
Speaker 1: A point on what you were making. Jeff urban Meyer
Speaker 1: has been a head coach for seventeen years. If you
Speaker 1: add up the head coaching experience of all the coaches
Speaker 1: who have ever been Jaguars head coaches, that's more and
Speaker 1: any of them had put together. Now Doug Marone had
Speaker 1: been a head coach in the NFL. But I agree
Speaker 1: with you, Jeff. If you can coach, lead, set a tone,
Speaker 1: you can do it at any level. The nuances of
Speaker 1: the game, learning the schemes, learning how this league works.
Speaker 1: That'll be a study for ban Meyer. But seventeen years
Speaker 1: of experience, he can lead men, He can lead an organization.
Speaker 1: And a lot lot of people say, well, there's been
Speaker 1: other college coaches that have moved on to the NFL
Speaker 1: and they didn't have success. Well, look, you gotta have
Speaker 1: good players too. Okay, coaching matters. You've got to have
Speaker 1: good coaches, then you also have to have good players.
Speaker 1: When you put the two of them together, you've got
Speaker 1: a great chance. And that's where Trent Balky is so
Speaker 1: very important to the success of this this football organization
Speaker 1: and Urban Meyer gotta have. You gotta have everybody working
Speaker 1: together and be able to have the right tools to
Speaker 1: be able to win. If you don't have the right tools,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna win. You have the greatest coach in
Speaker 1: the world. And if you don't have the players in
Speaker 1: the NFL, you're you're gonna be okay, but you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be the contender. You just it's just the reality.
Speaker 1: You gotta have got a players, got to have tools
Speaker 1: in the toolbox. I don't know who said that, but
Speaker 1: I've heard it before. All right, let's look at defense.
Speaker 1: Joe Colin is reported to be the defensive coordinator for
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Were hearing his name throwing out all over
Speaker 1: there along with these names that you're seeing right now.
Speaker 1: So John, tell me why Joe Colin is the clear
Speaker 1: favorite for this and why he would fit the job
Speaker 1: as defensive coordinator. Reportedly, of course, Oh, I know Jeff
Speaker 1: has a lot of thoughts too, And Jeff knew uh
Speaker 1: Joe for three years, probably him a little bit better
Speaker 1: than I did. I knew Joe for two years when
Speaker 1: I first got back to Jacksonville. Why would he be
Speaker 1: a coordinator? Because he knows football, He's an incredible motivator.
Speaker 1: He's incredibly well respected within the NFL. There is a
Speaker 1: great relationship between he and Urban Meyer that goes back
Speaker 1: a long way. You know, I'm biased, and I think
Speaker 1: everybody is who knows Joe Aston. You haven't met him,
Speaker 1: but Jeff can attest to this. A fantastic, first rate
Speaker 1: human being. When you get a guy like this in
Speaker 1: your building, you're better for it, no matter what role
Speaker 1: it is. As defensive coordinator. Has never been that before,
Speaker 1: but he has been one of the best line coaches
Speaker 1: he's been in Baltimore. He is ready for this job.
Speaker 1: If he gets that, I have no doubt that he's
Speaker 1: a major impact, and you got to make sure that
Speaker 1: we I gotta correct you, John. He doesn't coach defensive line.
Speaker 1: He coaches Rushman. Okay, he's changed the term. I mean,
Speaker 1: Joe Collin changed the term. He likes to call him Rushman.
Speaker 1: And uh and and John is dead on the money.
Speaker 1: Joe Colin is a is a eight number one, top
Speaker 1: notch guy. He's never been a defensive coordinator before. But
Speaker 1: you also, if you look at that list of names,
Speaker 1: there's some names on there that have been defensive coordinators before.
Speaker 1: Anthony Weaver, Charlie Strong obviously has an immense amount of experience.
Speaker 1: And so once again, it's title sometimes don't mean everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, somebody ultimately has to have to say.
Speaker 1: But when you get a bunch of bright minds together,
Speaker 1: then you have a great chance. And and Joe Colin
Speaker 1: is a is a super sharp guy, quality guy. Love
Speaker 1: him and uh. In fact, when I heard that there
Speaker 1: was a rumor or there was a whisper in the
Speaker 1: news media that he may be interviewing, I'll just texting
Speaker 1: him right away. I said, Joe, come on back to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: Good dude, gave him outfit tips all of that. What
Speaker 1: am I hearing? John? I guess you can attest this
Speaker 1: to you. I've heard of practice might get a little
Speaker 1: loud if he joins in he's pretty loud. Yeah, Joe's
Speaker 1: pretty loud. And we'll probably get the dirt pitt back.
Speaker 1: Remember the dirt pit, Jeff, where you probably more about
Speaker 1: than I did. But he's got certain drills, and he's
Speaker 1: got a drill or the offensive linemen have to get
Speaker 1: down there could be at a certain level. Jeff can
Speaker 1: attest to it more than me. But yeah, I read
Speaker 1: something about Joe a couple of days ago, and I
Speaker 1: didn't think of it, and I wish I had. When
Speaker 1: you watch Joe Colin coach, he's one of the few
Speaker 1: coaches where other position groups stop and watch him coach
Speaker 1: because he's so good at it and so dynamic. Again,
Speaker 1: Jeff and you and I are in the same page
Speaker 1: fingers crossed that he's the guy. Yeah, uh, I think
Speaker 1: it'd be a good higher and in Ashlyon, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you there's been a few guys National Football League and
Speaker 1: and being a former defensive line and I always watched
Speaker 1: the defensive line coaches very very closely, and because I
Speaker 1: want to hear what they're saying, I want to hear
Speaker 1: their style, I want to hear what they're teaching. Because
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty educated in that department. And uh,
Speaker 1: and Joe is one of those guys that I never
Speaker 1: second guest everything he said. I'm like, he's dead on
Speaker 1: the money. And Joe was always one of those guys
Speaker 1: too that would would ask a lot of questions. He
Speaker 1: never felt like he knew everything, and he would ask
Speaker 1: questions of me. He would ask questions of any defensive
Speaker 1: line that he came across. He would talk to Tony
Speaker 1: Basselli and say, Hey, Tony, what do you think about this?
Speaker 1: What was so hard about blocking that? You know? So
Speaker 1: he's a guy that I think it was constantly learning.
Speaker 1: And uh. And I know that a lot of people
Speaker 1: want to bring up something that might have happened in
Speaker 1: his past. But I can tell you if we all
Speaker 1: had something brought up from our past, and I can
Speaker 1: be the first one to admit it, okay that uh,
Speaker 1: that everybody might have an embarrassing moment in the past,
Speaker 1: and I would have one. Johnny, you would probab you
Speaker 1: have one. And I can tell you firsthand that that
Speaker 1: ponytail wasn't very cool, even though you might have thought
Speaker 1: it was. But but but I mean, look the past
Speaker 1: of the past, and Joe Collins are good man, I
Speaker 1: love to hear it. Yes, John, thank you for your time,
Speaker 1: and we'll leave you to the debating the ponytail versus
Speaker 1: the haircut you have. Now we'll stay tuned for your writing.
Speaker 1: Like the beer Johnny's got going out, Johnny, I like that. Hey,
Speaker 1: there was no debate, Jeff that Ponytail was Boss. It
Speaker 1: was like it was like this, Thanks guys, I've heard,
Speaker 1: I've seen pictures. I don't want to bring him back up.
Speaker 1: I'm just scared that. John Oshan just said Boss the radio,
Speaker 1: that that's like old. I mean, that's like shows your age, right, Boss.
Speaker 1: It was more of a bun, like a bun Joe,
Speaker 1: even worse, even like att Yeah, what't it was like
Speaker 1: that long Jaguars Happy I will spare you the images
Speaker 1: of John Osier's man bun pony Tale coming out, Boss,
Speaker 1: pony Tail, Yes, say it right? Tony Baselly might have
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Speaker 1: people who work for me, with me, they'll hear a
Speaker 1: statement that is this the best of the best, and
Speaker 1: if it's not, then the question is will why? And
Speaker 1: that's the same thing I'm doing on every every time
Speaker 1: I walk through everywhere. We did that at Ohio State.
Speaker 1: We did that for it. Is this the very best?
Speaker 1: And if it's not, then, especially when you start talking
Speaker 1: about player welfare and safety and then just the players,
Speaker 1: and if it's not the very best, let's have a
Speaker 1: chat and do what's very best, because you know, the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville players are gonna get pushed, they're gonna get pushed.
Speaker 1: In return, we give them the very best. That includes
Speaker 1: with the coaching staff. Number one. The coaching staff. You know,
Speaker 1: does a big hot tub much different than well, have
Speaker 1: that much of a difference. I didn't say that, but
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure it's the best of
Speaker 1: the best, and in Shod is very committed to that.
Speaker 1: Possible facility upgrades coming see question mark. We'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: We're back. Jaguars happy our Ashland sell than Jeff Logerman
Speaker 1: and speaking of upgrades, Tony Baselli joins us, Now, I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to Jeff. It wasn't It wasn't a shot
Speaker 1: towards Jeff. I was just saying, you know, look, oh
Speaker 1: you guys are starting drama. I don't want any part
Speaker 1: of that. Tony. How are you yet? Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: I agree, I think it is an upgrade having me
Speaker 1: over Jeff. I mean the rest of the show, it's
Speaker 1: going to be drawing, no whatever, whatever. All right, Tony,
Speaker 1: we can talk to you. How what are we thinking? Uh?
Speaker 1: What do I think about what what he said there?
Speaker 1: Him being the head coach, you know, the GM. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many things happen right here. Uh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of information. I mean not a lot of activity. Um.
Speaker 1: The one thing is for sure. I mean it is
Speaker 1: a splash higher um, and it's big news and it's
Speaker 1: a in They shot. Khan went after urban Meyer. He
Speaker 1: got him. Um. He wanted to get a guy who's
Speaker 1: led been a bona fide qualified top end leader. Now
Speaker 1: it's in the college game, not the pro game, but
Speaker 1: still he's one everywhere he's been and Shot is basically saying, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a guy here who can lead this
Speaker 1: organization and bring it back, and I'm gonna bring a
Speaker 1: guy who's done it before. It might not be in
Speaker 1: this exact arena, meaning the Pro game, but it's hard
Speaker 1: to argue that. The guys one everywhere. So um, it's
Speaker 1: exciting and there's a lot of exciting things going on
Speaker 1: right now. Um, and it's gonna be an really interesting offseason.
Speaker 1: We will not be short on news this offseason, that's
Speaker 1: one thing for sure. Yes, and that is good news
Speaker 1: for this Thursday show. And Jeff, I've heard some people say, oh,
Speaker 1: he's coming right in here and he has a plan
Speaker 1: of upgrading the facilities, and it was almost a negative
Speaker 1: connotation towards that, But I don't feel that way. He's
Speaker 1: coming from Ohio State, Florida, these big time college football programs,
Speaker 1: Well that's the arms race in college football. If he
Speaker 1: wants a facility, give the man a facility. Well, look
Speaker 1: it's it's in college football. The arms race is real.
Speaker 1: And that's facilities Alabama, the Clemsons, I mean, all these
Speaker 1: big time programs. It it is a war of facilities
Speaker 1: because it's a huge recruiting tool and in the National
Speaker 1: Football League you're not necessarily per se recruiting, but in
Speaker 1: some sense you are in free agency, and so you
Speaker 1: want to have as many as many tools in your toolbag,
Speaker 1: so to speak, as far as positive to tract players.
Speaker 1: But UM, Tony and I would agree that, Look, you
Speaker 1: can always improve the facilities and you always want to
Speaker 1: give the players the best of the best. Does that
Speaker 1: necessarily mean a new facility? Maybe? Does that mean a
Speaker 1: an upgrade to the current facilities? Is that you have
Speaker 1: on an expansion to that? I mean, it could mean
Speaker 1: a lot of things, But I think Urban's whole point
Speaker 1: is give the players the best, to expect the best
Speaker 1: in return, right, And that's air Tony. You heard him
Speaker 1: say in the stock coming back a hot tub. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's saying in that singular tone, but there's
Speaker 1: no secret this building could use some upgrades. And that's okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that's the right mentality. You want to
Speaker 1: be the best of everything. But I will say for me, Um,
Speaker 1: your facilities are secondary. Um while important, and you want
Speaker 1: to have you know, you want to make sure the
Speaker 1: players are taken care of and you're giving them the best.
Speaker 1: To his points, because you're to expect the best. Um,
Speaker 1: But at the end, of the day. Let's be realistic.
Speaker 1: Facilities aren't. You can't overnight great new facilities. Now you
Speaker 1: can upgrade some internal facilities and do you know, put
Speaker 1: some you know, nice finishes around and do some nice things.
Speaker 1: But as far as the hold you know, wholesale new
Speaker 1: facilities and new practice facilities and buildings everything else, that
Speaker 1: takes years. UM. And So while I love it that
Speaker 1: we should always be progressing and shooting for the stars
Speaker 1: and investing and get bringing the best and expecting the best,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, I think the bigger message and
Speaker 1: I think what I've heard him say as well, it's like,
Speaker 1: we're going to create the best atmosphere for the for
Speaker 1: this organization, best coaches. We're gonna demand of the players.
Speaker 1: We're gonna treat the players the right way. We'll do
Speaker 1: all these things and create the right culture and atmosphere
Speaker 1: with the right standard UM, and we expect to win,
Speaker 1: because if you look at winning, you know what you're
Speaker 1: measured by the wins and losses. It's not you know,
Speaker 1: how great your facilities are, not um, It's about what
Speaker 1: are you putting on the field, And to put the
Speaker 1: right product on the field which produces wins. It's all
Speaker 1: about getting the right people in the building, and that
Speaker 1: starts with the right players and the right coaches and
Speaker 1: in the right personnel, people that are aligned with the
Speaker 1: coaches to pick the players and design it, and the
Speaker 1: right support staff that is gonna support the coaches and players.
Speaker 1: It's all about getting the right people in the right
Speaker 1: system in place, um of how we do things. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what you know Urban has done in
Speaker 1: the past, you know, at places like Ohio State and Florida,
Speaker 1: and I expect him to do the same thing here.
Speaker 1: I think the facilities well, yes, nice, Yes, I hope
Speaker 1: we get them. Yes, I hope we invest. And I
Speaker 1: think Sean will he's never been try to invest. There's
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. UM. To me, that secondary it's
Speaker 1: about getting the right people, the right process, the right culture,
Speaker 1: and setting the right standard of how we do things.
Speaker 1: As Jacksonville Jaguars right Tony and his introductory interview with JP,
Speaker 1: Shatterkey said, I want to treat players great, not good,
Speaker 1: and that was good to hear, especially with all the
Speaker 1: drama that's been around with free agency. Jeff, you kind
Speaker 1: of want to set the tone right here right now
Speaker 1: that it is going to be a busy free agency period.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it the right way. And I don't
Speaker 1: think he means okay, And and Tony will attest to
Speaker 1: this when when a coach says that we want to
Speaker 1: treat our players great, it doesn't mean that you pamper them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is this is not the health club
Speaker 1: where you get manny petties and back rubs and neck
Speaker 1: rubs while you're studying the playbook. I mean, it's it's football.
Speaker 1: But you want to have the players to have the
Speaker 1: best of the best. And I will say this is
Speaker 1: that shot con in this organization has never skimped on
Speaker 1: making sure that the players have the best of the best.
Speaker 1: The dining hall, the food, the best of the best.
Speaker 1: We get to experience that first thing they have besides therapy,
Speaker 1: they have all these other things that are available to
Speaker 1: players and readily available and have for a number of years, nutritionists, everything. So, uh,
Speaker 1: Tony's right, And that look tomorrow, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be a brand new facility out there
Speaker 1: to where you go, welcome to the new facility. You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta win some football games, but treat your players
Speaker 1: the best of the the best of what you have, and
Speaker 1: in the meantime, if you are looking at upgrading or
Speaker 1: doing something completely separate, that's all fine and Danny, but
Speaker 1: treat the players great, and Peter, treat them with respect,
Speaker 1: but you don't pamper them as well if you treat
Speaker 1: them like professionals. And there's a lot of organizations out
Speaker 1: there in the National Football League that are considered the
Speaker 1: best of the best as far as doing some of that,
Speaker 1: and they're the ones that are typically winning year in
Speaker 1: and year out. So you want to try to continue
Speaker 1: to or to change the way you do things more
Speaker 1: in line with some of the teams that historically have
Speaker 1: success Urine in euro So let's talk about that a
Speaker 1: little bit more, Jeff, because I want to talk about
Speaker 1: this whole concept of treating players great. Um, because everything
Speaker 1: you said is true. You're like, but every team can
Speaker 1: do that. Every team can have massage therapists, every team
Speaker 1: can have good food, and every team can have you know,
Speaker 1: all the you know, nice things that help a player
Speaker 1: get ready, all great things. I don't think I think
Speaker 1: that's only part of it. Because when I think about
Speaker 1: and Jeff, I love your perspective on this when I
Speaker 1: think about what the players want, and I think it's
Speaker 1: a couple of things. One, players want to go somewhere
Speaker 1: where they know they can get better, like like you like,
Speaker 1: they're gonna become better players, and they have a chance
Speaker 1: to succeed because if they succeed, that's you know, will
Speaker 1: translate hopefully to wins, but also translates into monetary value
Speaker 1: of their services in the future. So One, players want
Speaker 1: to go somewhere they feel like they're getting better to
Speaker 1: a big thing, and I think this is critical. Players
Speaker 1: want to feel valued. They want to feel their services
Speaker 1: are valued. What they do matters and that's important. And
Speaker 1: the way you do that you have to be able
Speaker 1: to build relationships with players. They have to know you.
Speaker 1: They have to know that the organization cares about what
Speaker 1: they're doing, who they are in the sacrifice and the
Speaker 1: work they're putting in that it matters. The third thing
Speaker 1: I think they wanted consistency. I never I'm not a
Speaker 1: big believer that players um are expecting to be treated
Speaker 1: and like you know, there's always this hard coaches player coaches,
Speaker 1: both of one. What's the one thing both those haven't
Speaker 1: in common is they're consistent. Players want to know what
Speaker 1: to expect. They don't like surprises. They want to know
Speaker 1: what to expect, what the rules are, and that they're enforced,
Speaker 1: and that they show up every day to work and
Speaker 1: there's a consistency with the head coach and the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't change. When you win, everyone's happy. When
Speaker 1: you lose, everyone's visible. You know. I think back, Jeff,
Speaker 1: when you and I played here. Tom Conflin was consistent.
Speaker 1: Every day. He was miserable every day. It didn't matter
Speaker 1: if you won or loss. It was the same thing.
Speaker 1: Hard on you. It was in a drive. But as
Speaker 1: a player, you knew what to expect. There were a structure,
Speaker 1: and you didn't always like the way he did it.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that might work today in today's NFL,
Speaker 1: I think, but if you're consistent, you can build relationships
Speaker 1: to players that they know they're valued and their services
Speaker 1: are valued and you're helping them have success. That is
Speaker 1: creating a great atmosphere for players, because that's what they
Speaker 1: all do want. The rest of it is easy. It's
Speaker 1: easy to go higher a massage therapist, it's easy to
Speaker 1: go get good food, it's easy to do all that.
Speaker 1: The hard work is can you build a culture where
Speaker 1: players want to be there, where they feel valued, they
Speaker 1: feel appreciated, they have relationships, and they feel like they
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to get better and win. That's ultimately
Speaker 1: what they want to do, and they want to get paid.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can do that, then I think
Speaker 1: that's a great environment for players. Yeah. I think the
Speaker 1: other thing too, that the Jacksonville has kind of a
Speaker 1: built in advantage. I think over a lot of other teams,
Speaker 1: Tony talks about money, cost of living and uh and
Speaker 1: and what the state tax situation is. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: that provides a huge boost. But the ability to attract
Speaker 1: coaches to Jacksonville is easy because coaches love it here,
Speaker 1: and so Urbans is able to attract a lot of
Speaker 1: coaches that that that I'm sure that he wants because
Speaker 1: of the prospect of living in Jacksonville. I mean, look
Speaker 1: at the number of coaches that have come through here
Speaker 1: that have stayed here. I mean it's it's the list
Speaker 1: is long and so and I think from that standpoint
Speaker 1: to for some players that that is very attractive to
Speaker 1: some players as well. And there's some players that would
Speaker 1: rather have in Atlanta, or have in New York, or
Speaker 1: have some of bigger markets and and for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: but uh, if you if you can capitalize on all
Speaker 1: the things that Tony talked about and make sure that
Speaker 1: all those are in place, because Tony is right, consistency
Speaker 1: and expectations, all knowing what what a player is expected
Speaker 1: to do in et cetera. Like Tom Couflin said about it,
Speaker 1: it is that doesn't change. You just don't have to
Speaker 1: be so dagon gruff about it like Tom Cauflin. And
Speaker 1: that's the relationships your face and still be the same way. Well,
Speaker 1: I think in today's players and even in our world today,
Speaker 1: you have to be able to build a relationship with people.
Speaker 1: People will go much further for you when they know
Speaker 1: you care about them. Um. And you, by the way,
Speaker 1: you can coach people much harder when they know you
Speaker 1: care and you know you they that they're appreciated. And
Speaker 1: I think that is critical um and listen, Urban Doses
Speaker 1: he coached college. I mean he had a bunch of
Speaker 1: five stars and four stars that he had to make
Speaker 1: sure that he had relationships with it. He could coach
Speaker 1: hard and be demanding and do all the things and
Speaker 1: staff want to do. You only can do that today
Speaker 1: if you're building relationships. If you're consistent, the players trust you.
Speaker 1: You have to build trust. Um And and I can't
Speaker 1: emphasize enough. Most players, and any player worth their soul,
Speaker 1: good players who want to be great. They all want
Speaker 1: to get better. And guess what if you proved to
Speaker 1: a player that you can help them achieve their goals,
Speaker 1: it's amazing how much harder you can coach them and
Speaker 1: set the expectations. And this is who we are and
Speaker 1: this is how we do things. Um And. I think
Speaker 1: those are really key things. I think at times have
Speaker 1: probably been you know, missing right Tony and Jeff, you
Speaker 1: mentioned that a lot of coaches come here and they
Speaker 1: want to stay here. And I remember the argument when
Speaker 1: the New York Jets gave up the number one pick
Speaker 1: and they're like, ah, Trevor Lawrence, he might be so
Speaker 1: upset he doesn't get to go to New York. Now
Speaker 1: he might have to go to Jacksonville. And urban Meyer
Speaker 1: has said, you know, they're looking at all quarterbacks. If
Speaker 1: it is Trevor Lawrence, it doesn't seem like be like
Speaker 1: the worst thing in the world that he gets to
Speaker 1: come possibly live in Pontovidro with no state income tax.
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's gonna be that upset. No,
Speaker 1: it's uh that that's just I think that's other market
Speaker 1: job being jealous and uh, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: that's all that is. And and and look at it's
Speaker 1: and a lot of people say, well, you go to
Speaker 1: a Jacksonville's a smaller market also, and you're not gonna
Speaker 1: have opportunities to be able to be on the national stage.
Speaker 1: The NFL doesn't matter whether you're in Green Bay, Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: New York. Uh, you're gonna have a ton of opportunities
Speaker 1: if you're a good football player. And so opportunities follow
Speaker 1: good football players. And if Trevor Lawrence is a really
Speaker 1: good football player, who have all you want right here
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. And guess what, it also follows, Jeff winning
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Speaker 1: Tony BASSELLI here with a to do list of this
Speaker 1: busy off season. Senior Bowl, NFL Combine Draft coming up.
Speaker 1: But Tony, I go to you first with this first point,
Speaker 1: what do you do with left tackle? You're most likely
Speaker 1: I'll take that back. You are drafting a quarterback with
Speaker 1: the number one overall picks, So do you re sign
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson? What are we doing here, Tony? I mean,
Speaker 1: if you look at if you look at Cam, uh,
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson, he is he had an up and down year.
Speaker 1: At times he looked very good. It looked like he
Speaker 1: made big improvements, his footwork look better. At other times
Speaker 1: there's some inconsistency and inconsistent big game at big times
Speaker 1: of games that you have a chance to maybe do something. UM.
Speaker 1: And so I think you have to look at what
Speaker 1: the value is. UM. It's it's obviously a premier position.
Speaker 1: The offensive line you have to build, especially with the
Speaker 1: young quarterback and protect that guy. Um. You can't win
Speaker 1: football games without a quarterback, which can't win football games
Speaker 1: without control the line of scrimmage either. So, UM, premiere
Speaker 1: left I mean I'm not gonna say premier. Um. Good
Speaker 1: left tackles are getting seventeen million dollars a year. UM,
Speaker 1: with a lot of million dollars guaranteed, Um, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have some cap issues this year, not the Jaguars, but overall,
Speaker 1: the NFL cap most likely gonna stay flat or go
Speaker 1: down because of COVID. You have a lot of room
Speaker 1: if you're the Jacksville Jaguars, and so I think what
Speaker 1: you do is you have to allocate. First thing you
Speaker 1: do is you say how much were what value do
Speaker 1: we put on camera Robinson? And before we start having
Speaker 1: conversations with him, let's put a value of like what
Speaker 1: are we comfortable with paying for this position based on
Speaker 1: the play that we got last year and what we
Speaker 1: are projecting we think he can be. UM. And then
Speaker 1: you have to go start looking in the out in
Speaker 1: the out in the free agent market, Um, what what
Speaker 1: does it look like? And what is going to happen?
Speaker 1: And what are team is gonna have to do based
Speaker 1: on cap pressure? UH, and what is happening and getting
Speaker 1: understanding what's out in the free agent market. And then
Speaker 1: finally you look at the draft and you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna pick in twenty five. You know you have a
Speaker 1: list of needs. You have to rank those needs based
Speaker 1: on how you're building your team and who you want
Speaker 1: to be and where you find the biggest areas of
Speaker 1: weakness and you start evaluating what can we get at
Speaker 1: what can we get at the top of the second round,
Speaker 1: what will be available, is it starting caliber, is it
Speaker 1: someone we can trust to come in? Um? And then
Speaker 1: you weigh all of that and then you make a
Speaker 1: decision of how aggressive you're gonna be with Cam Robinson.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's a decision you make in
Speaker 1: a vacuum um as Yes, it's not a buying there,
Speaker 1: yes or no. UM. You got to do a lot
Speaker 1: of research and start pulling together all the data, all
Speaker 1: the facts, and then you make a decision whether you
Speaker 1: keep them or not. And part of that is is
Speaker 1: the unknown. What's the expectation of Cam Robinson and this
Speaker 1: camp financially? I mean, if they all sudden say, hey,
Speaker 1: look we want twenty million a year, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna You're not gonna say, yeah, sure, you know we
Speaker 1: need a love talent. Yeah you say goodbye. I mean,
Speaker 1: so you know, a lot of this is is kind
Speaker 1: of bid. What would you would tag under the TBD
Speaker 1: to be determined, because you've got to find out where
Speaker 1: they are, where you are, what your expectations are, and
Speaker 1: also what your thoughts are with the new gentlemen managed
Speaker 1: from the new coach on that, because I mean the
Speaker 1: roster evaluation. You've got new eyes looking at you now,
Speaker 1: and those new eyes may have a different opinion of
Speaker 1: vastly different opinion than what the eyes were looking at
Speaker 1: that position before. So well, it's not all new eyes, Jeff.
Speaker 1: I mean Trent Balky has been looking at this roster
Speaker 1: for a year now. Um. Now maybe you know he
Speaker 1: now has a greater say than he did before. So
Speaker 1: you have existing eyes with new roles and new level
Speaker 1: of influence. Um, it'll be interesting to see what that
Speaker 1: he does, Trent does with the personnel department, if there's
Speaker 1: changes there to get fresh eyes in the process. The
Speaker 1: reason I bring that up, Tony, is that when you
Speaker 1: when you have a new set of eyes looking at someone.
Speaker 1: The reason I say that, for example, Cam Robinson is
Speaker 1: not Trent Balky's draft pick. Okay, that's right. That's a
Speaker 1: great point. That changes things because now you're looking at
Speaker 1: it without your own personal glasses because you have a
Speaker 1: benefit of retaining or paying a player that you drafted.
Speaker 1: The people that are making the call now they have
Speaker 1: no tie, they have no tie to any past Jaguars
Speaker 1: draft picks. Now it's all about evaluation based on production
Speaker 1: and expected level of production, so that stuff will change,
Speaker 1: I think as we move forward. I agree. Yep, great,
Speaker 1: great points. All right, Tony Boselli, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: joining us. Enjoy your off season wherever you may be.
Speaker 1: Hopefully a vacation, a break coming soon for you. That
Speaker 1: is Jaguars Happy Hour. Stay tuned for the next hour
Speaker 1: coming up right here, five o'clock. Appreciate you joining us
Speaker 1: right here on Jaguars dot com Life. Yea, the focus
Speaker 1: is always on the draft and building your team through
Speaker 1: the draft. I think you use the other avenues to
Speaker 1: supplement your roster, whether that's in big name free agents, UH,
Speaker 1: mid mid tier free agents, or low end free I
Speaker 1: think you're always searching to build your roster, whether it's
Speaker 1: from the top down or the bottom up, or somewhere
Speaker 1: in the middle. UH. Your your goal is to get
Speaker 1: the best fifty three players you possibly can and go
Speaker 1: to work. I'm a resource for coach, That's what the
Speaker 1: way I look at it. I provide a service where
Speaker 1: he can come in, he can bounce things off of me.
Speaker 1: Question because there's gonna be a lot of questions. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of things that are gonna be
Speaker 1: first time for him. But in the short time I've
Speaker 1: been with him, the one thing I realized he's a
Speaker 1: quick study. It's not gonna take him long to figure
Speaker 1: the rules out and everything that goes with it. And
Speaker 1: he certainly as a coach, you know, he knows his
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Speaker 1: the latest Jaguars news and what's happening around the NFL.
Speaker 1: JA begins right now. Welcome in Jaguars Happy Hour, Ashlan
Speaker 1: Sullivan and for JP shatter game much needed vacation for him,
Speaker 1: wishing him lots of fun and relaxation. Here with Jeff
Speaker 1: Logman on Jaguars Happy Hour. If you have not heard
Speaker 1: big news of the day, the Jaguars have announced Trent
Speaker 1: Bulky is a new general manager of the Jaguars. We're
Speaker 1: going to break that down along with Bucky Brooks coming
Speaker 1: up right here on Jaguars Happy Hour. So, Jeff, initial thoughts,
Speaker 1: initial reaction from Trent Bulky being the new general manager.
Speaker 1: I've been told that he's definitely a leader, definitely strongheaded,
Speaker 1: likes things his way. So I'm curious to see how
Speaker 1: this goes now with urban Meyer, this is his show
Speaker 1: to run with the help of Trent Bulky. Well, I
Speaker 1: think first and foremo so you say strong headed. Who
Speaker 1: if somebody's good uh and believes in what they do,
Speaker 1: they should be strong headed. And I like the fact
Speaker 1: that they got somebody that has experience at being a
Speaker 1: general manager in the National Football League, because I think
Speaker 1: having experience is going to help a coach for the
Speaker 1: first time that he's been in the National Football League,
Speaker 1: like like an Urban Meyer. So and I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any uh freak occurrence that Trent Balky was brought
Speaker 1: into this organization back in the wintertime for just because,
Speaker 1: oh we liked him and he's a great addition. The
Speaker 1: reality is, and I think that that ownership probably had
Speaker 1: a little bit of say, I mean, if if Shot
Speaker 1: Khan had control over the roster last year and then
Speaker 1: obviously had some input and some of the decision making
Speaker 1: this year, why would he not have had some input
Speaker 1: into the hiring of Trent Balky to a position within
Speaker 1: the Jaguar staff. And so obviously there's a level of
Speaker 1: a respect and a level of approval from a very
Speaker 1: get go when he was brought in here, even though
Speaker 1: it wasn't for a general manager role, but with how
Speaker 1: things occurred, I think it it worked out very well
Speaker 1: and I think Urban will appreciate the experience that Trent
Speaker 1: Balky has. Yes, former director of player Personnel. No coincidence
Speaker 1: that he is now here now general manager of the
Speaker 1: Jaguars and is brought into a perfect situation. You could say,
Speaker 1: number one overall pick eleven draft picks. You have five
Speaker 1: draft picks in the first three rounds. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say it it's tough to mess that up because
Speaker 1: I know you can. But pretty ideal situation here for
Speaker 1: Trent Pulls. It's it's ideal if you look at it
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of boy, there's a lot of draft picks,
Speaker 1: but an ideal situation is to be taken over uh,
Speaker 1: the general manager position for an organization that has been
Speaker 1: a perennial winner. I mean that's optimal. I mean this
Speaker 1: is challenging and some people might be scared of it,
Speaker 1: but some of the personnel guys think that this is
Speaker 1: a great opportunity because they believe very strongly in their
Speaker 1: own ability to acquire talent to build an organization, and
Speaker 1: so there are a lot of positives, but the reality
Speaker 1: is there's a lot of building to do, a lot
Speaker 1: of building to do from from every aspect because this
Speaker 1: organization has not been very successful over the years. And
Speaker 1: it's a great challenge and it's one that I think
Speaker 1: that Urban Meyer looked at and saw as a great
Speaker 1: opportunity that uh for for to win number one, but
Speaker 1: number two, that look, if you go to the NFL
Speaker 1: and you win, and you have an opportunity to win,
Speaker 1: and you've got the tools and the resources to do it,
Speaker 1: go for it. It would add to your legacy. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson. Look at what Jimmy Johnson was one National Championships.
Speaker 1: Just like Urban goes to the Cowboys, gets Troy Aikman,
Speaker 1: already has Michael Irvin there and then has the Herschel
Speaker 1: Walker trade, which gives them a boon of pis. Well,
Speaker 1: the Jaguars already have a boon of pix and they're
Speaker 1: able to build a Super Bowl multiple multi time winner
Speaker 1: in Dallas, and Jimmy Johnson was a big part of that.
Speaker 1: So I think Urban looked at that and said, here's
Speaker 1: my chance to put my stamp in the NFL, and
Speaker 1: I think it's a great opportunity. It's a great opportunity
Speaker 1: for everybody. Yeah, I don't blame him at all. He
Speaker 1: came in here saying I was only going to come
Speaker 1: into a situation that was perfect and one where I
Speaker 1: saw that I could win. There's no secret the opportunities there.
Speaker 1: You just got to go take it. Now. Well, there's
Speaker 1: there's other opportunities around the National Football League that have
Speaker 1: been filled. But some of those opportunities, there are opportunities
Speaker 1: just from the standpoint to look, there's only thirty two
Speaker 1: positions of being a head coach, but you look at
Speaker 1: some of them, and not to name names, but some
Speaker 1: of them are teams that have a commitment to the
Speaker 1: quarterback that you can't get out of, and the quarterback
Speaker 1: play hasn't been great. The cap situations are horrendous. Some
Speaker 1: teams don't have any draft capital, and then have a
Speaker 1: situation where some people on staff are untouchable or seem
Speaker 1: to be untouchable. Um and in a quarterback that's very unhappy.
Speaker 1: I mean, So there's all these well I mean take
Speaker 1: your pick, uh and and ownership issues that that aren't
Speaker 1: particularly strong, and and so this situation strong ownership, willing
Speaker 1: to spend commitment to whatever resources are available, lots of
Speaker 1: draft picks, lots of cap room, and an opportunity to
Speaker 1: take a piece of clay and mold it into your eyes.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what probably and would have if
Speaker 1: I'm urban Meyer, that would have made this job extremely attractive.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that's one of the big reasons he
Speaker 1: took it, because I mean, he knows that, uh, this
Speaker 1: is a quarterback game, and he said that before in
Speaker 1: this press conference, and he didn't say just it's a
Speaker 1: quarterback league. He said, it's a quarterback game. And here
Speaker 1: you are. You're you're sitting there with the first overall
Speaker 1: picking an opportunity to pick a quarterback that you can
Speaker 1: pick and have a chance to win the future. So
Speaker 1: I was just too much to pass up for him.
Speaker 1: I could not agree more. And now he has the
Speaker 1: task of building a coaching staff. And I was talking
Speaker 1: to someone and they said, yes, it's great that you
Speaker 1: come into this opportunity, and it's a great opera tunity,
Speaker 1: very well publicized. But it's also incredibly hard to be
Speaker 1: a head coach right now because you have every coach
Speaker 1: you've ever been around calling you saying, hey, give me
Speaker 1: an opportunity. You don't really know what you're doing, as
Speaker 1: well as NFL experience. To all these people are calling you,
Speaker 1: who do you put where? There's all these interviews going on.
Speaker 1: It stresses me out just thinking about it. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie because I can only imagine the phone calls
Speaker 1: he's getting right now, what's true, what's not? I can
Speaker 1: tell you this, Ashley, and it's a hell of a
Speaker 1: lot better to have people calling you wanting a job
Speaker 1: than people that are going, I don't want to have
Speaker 1: anything to do with you in the job, because I
Speaker 1: I can tell you there are markets and situations that
Speaker 1: are like that. So having people call you that's great.
Speaker 1: Now you can cherry pick, you know, because if you've
Speaker 1: got six guys calling you for one position and urban
Speaker 1: talked about being the best of the best and making
Speaker 1: having an elite staff, well, okay, if you've got six
Speaker 1: to choose from seven, eight to choose from, to hell
Speaker 1: a lot better than some other market that has nobody
Speaker 1: calling you because they don't want to work for you,
Speaker 1: because they know that the situation you're in, you don't
Speaker 1: have a chance. And so when more people are calling you,
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. And so then you can say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take him because he is the best out
Speaker 1: of this group. He is the best I can get.
Speaker 1: And so that's a positive, even though it might think
Speaker 1: you're driving crazy because all these people are calling you. Look,
Speaker 1: urban Meyer has a vast history with coaches and and
Speaker 1: a and a very strong network. I'm sure of people
Speaker 1: that he can make phone calls to, like he's done
Speaker 1: with Jimmy Johnson in the past, to be able to
Speaker 1: get information on some people that he may not know
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's usually utilizing all of those tools. Yes,
Speaker 1: that guy, safe to say, knows a lot of people
Speaker 1: around the league, around college football. He's got three sources
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Speaker 1: Jeff Bloggerman and NFL Draft Network analyst Bucky Brooks joins
Speaker 1: us now all the way from California. Buckey, thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us the big news of the day as
Speaker 1: Trent Fulky is the new general manager for the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts, um, I thought was a very
Speaker 1: similar to what Jeff had uttered. We talked about experience
Speaker 1: being a huge part of this process. When you have
Speaker 1: a new head coach who was unfamiliar with the National
Speaker 1: Football League, you want to pay them with someone who
Speaker 1: knows the ins and outs of the league. Because Balky
Speaker 1: has done this before with Jim Harbaugh, you would like
Speaker 1: to think that they will be able to get a
Speaker 1: jump start on the process. And when you think about this,
Speaker 1: partnership is really important that you do have the you
Speaker 1: go back and forth, and that you do have different
Speaker 1: opinions and you challenge one another to get the decision right,
Speaker 1: meaning the best decision for the Jaguars. I think this
Speaker 1: is an interesting matchup. I think this was something that
Speaker 1: was certainly in the cars when Balky came on board,
Speaker 1: and now we get a chance to see a play
Speaker 1: out in real time. By the way, Bucky, good to
Speaker 1: have you because you're an upgrade to the show. Did
Speaker 1: you Did you hear say that the sell was an
Speaker 1: upgrade in the last I mean I was expecting you
Speaker 1: to do the same. I mean to upgrade. Man, you
Speaker 1: gotta get Bucky's some upgrade calls there. I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: live this down ever. Uh, Bucky, I had to do
Speaker 1: that because Joe is telling me, I can't believe you
Speaker 1: didn't call a out at the end of the last show.
Speaker 1: So whether I was calling a out, Okay, that's right.
Speaker 1: Hold everybody accountable. Yes, it's fair, it's fair. I'll take
Speaker 1: the blame alright, Bucky. We are getting ready for the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl next week in Mobile, Alabama. We will be
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Speaker 1: is gonna look a little different this year. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is going to look a little different. Like there are
Speaker 1: all kinds of protocols put in place to protect the players, uh,
Speaker 1: limiting the amount of representatives from each team that can
Speaker 1: come and check out the event in in live action.
Speaker 1: But I think this is a great opportunity to still
Speaker 1: see these prospects. And when you think about the opt
Speaker 1: outs and the limited games and the different amount of games,
Speaker 1: and some of these players have played the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: will really help a lot of guys kind of determine
Speaker 1: where players fit on the board. And never forget, without
Speaker 1: the combine, we won't get a chance to see a
Speaker 1: lot of the top prospects on the field together. And
Speaker 1: so when you're doing these comparisons between maybe why receiver
Speaker 1: three and wide receiver four, to be able to potentially
Speaker 1: see them go through drills, work out back to back
Speaker 1: and do that, it will help you separate some of
Speaker 1: the clusters that ultimately exist on the draft boards when
Speaker 1: it comes closer to draft time. Yeah, I think you've
Speaker 1: got a great point there, Bucky, as far as I mean,
Speaker 1: you have some opt outs that didn't even play in
Speaker 1: a college season that may participate in an All Star Game.
Speaker 1: There's some programs like Florida State that didn't play a
Speaker 1: lot of football games this year. So and most importantly,
Speaker 1: when you have an All Star game, it's about seeing
Speaker 1: NFL quality players against other NFL quality players. And I know,
Speaker 1: for me personally, when when I played in the Blue
Speaker 1: Gray Game, and I don't even think that's even existence anymore,
Speaker 1: and then also the East West Shrine Game. It raised
Speaker 1: my UH profile because I was able to play some
Speaker 1: different positions, but also to go against what we're viewed
Speaker 1: as other NFL caliber players. And that's a huge, huge,
Speaker 1: important thing. I think UH for the All Star Games
Speaker 1: is because now you can start comparing apples to apples
Speaker 1: when you're evaluating guys. And a perfect example of that,
Speaker 1: Buck I remember watching Brandon Linder and his All Star performance,
Speaker 1: and I was watching him against other guys that were
Speaker 1: considered extremely high draft ability why and he was working
Speaker 1: on them and so that obviously raised his level of
Speaker 1: stature as well. So all Star games crazy important. And
Speaker 1: the combine what's the status on that, Bucky, what's is
Speaker 1: not even gonna exist? What's the deal? So a couple
Speaker 1: of different things, because I think you hit on a
Speaker 1: couple of points that are really important. Um knowing one
Speaker 1: and nointry embarking and knowing this scouting staff. All Star
Speaker 1: games will have significance now you await them accordingly. But
Speaker 1: because you haven't seen some of these players play against
Speaker 1: elite competition, the All Star Game could give you a
Speaker 1: little preview in terms of how they may play at
Speaker 1: the next level, particularly for those guys who may come
Speaker 1: from smaller schools or smaller programs. It's a huge evaluation
Speaker 1: tool as it relates to the combine. The way the
Speaker 1: combine is going to exist now is really it's a
Speaker 1: virtual combine. Teams will do uh the zoom interviews and
Speaker 1: conduct that part of it virtually. Eventually they will figure
Speaker 1: out of time to have everyone come in to do
Speaker 1: the medical stuff, but pro days will now be the
Speaker 1: big thing. Scouts will have to get on the road
Speaker 1: or have to figure out a way to live stream
Speaker 1: to see these prospects work out because logs, as you
Speaker 1: talk about, some of these guys haven't played since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: You have no idea what their sizes, you don't know
Speaker 1: what their way to, You don't even know if they
Speaker 1: move around the same way that they moved around the
Speaker 1: last time you saw them on the field. And so
Speaker 1: being able to try and get some kind of evaluation
Speaker 1: on the athleticism, the movement skills and those things, it's
Speaker 1: a challenge this year and I think the best teams,
Speaker 1: the teams that handle it the best will be those
Speaker 1: who really rely on the tape, and so tape study
Speaker 1: will be paramount It's always big in the evaluation process,
Speaker 1: but I think this year more than ever, you have
Speaker 1: to really trust what your eyes tell you based off
Speaker 1: the tape. I think the players that played this year,
Speaker 1: and it's not I'm not saying it was their fault
Speaker 1: whether they did or didn't, but the players that played,
Speaker 1: because their programs played and they chose to play, I
Speaker 1: think have a distinct advantage over the players that didn't.
Speaker 1: And and that's unfortunate because some players had serious concerned
Speaker 1: because of the pandemic. But that's just the reality of
Speaker 1: if you're a personnel man, you're gonna go with what
Speaker 1: you can trust, and what you trust is what you see.
Speaker 1: And some guys that you may be projected Bucky as
Speaker 1: a first round pick but he decided not to play, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, he may not be a first round
Speaker 1: pick this year, just because you know, if you're a
Speaker 1: general manager, gotta trust it. But this is the one
Speaker 1: year that I think that it goes a little bit
Speaker 1: old school as far as you have to have scouts
Speaker 1: that you can trust. You have to have people in
Speaker 1: your department that you trust. And this is a challenge
Speaker 1: for Trent Balky because he's working with the stat that
Speaker 1: he didn't choose for the most part, So he has
Speaker 1: to be able to have a level of trust with
Speaker 1: some people and then bring more people in that he
Speaker 1: can trust, because this is a year that scouting makes
Speaker 1: their money because they're gonna have to end up forecasting
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, and some of it's gonna
Speaker 1: be done on faith. And you better make darn sure
Speaker 1: that you believe in the decisions that you make and
Speaker 1: the grades that you give these players, because a lot
Speaker 1: of it, again is on faith, absolutely, Jeff. That is
Speaker 1: a huge point. Is one of those things that will
Speaker 1: be overlooked. So it's different being the suggestion guy to
Speaker 1: being the decision maker. And so now Balky moves want
Speaker 1: seed over. He's the guy that has to make decisions.
Speaker 1: And so when you're assessing the room, you have to
Speaker 1: be able to scout the scouts and know which ones
Speaker 1: really see it through your eye. Doesn't mean that their
Speaker 1: opinions have to be the same, but you respect how
Speaker 1: they evaluate the tape, you respect what they put down
Speaker 1: in the reports. And when you have what I call
Speaker 1: a mixed staff, meaning some of the predecessor of guys
Speaker 1: and some of your guys, it does make it very,
Speaker 1: very difficult to figure out whose opinion do I really
Speaker 1: value when it comes time to make these hard decisions.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that you can um
Speaker 1: work around that is I wouldn't be surprised to see
Speaker 1: maybe a consultant man or someone that is hired in
Speaker 1: the middle of the process who can be his right
Speaker 1: hand man, who can be a sounding board when you
Speaker 1: have some of these difficult decisions when it comes to
Speaker 1: two similar graded players on the draft board, right, absolutely
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Speaker 1: Hour Ashley fell even here with Jeff Logoman and Bucky
Speaker 1: Brooks as we get ready for the Senior Bowl just
Speaker 1: next week in Mobile, Alabama, and Bucky you will be
Speaker 1: there with NFL Network virtually of course. And I have
Speaker 1: a feeling we're not gonna be able to get away
Speaker 1: from the talk of Trevor Lawrence and the number one
Speaker 1: overall pick. Obviously he won't be there. So from a
Speaker 1: Jaguars perspective, what are you gonna be looking at? Immobile?
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. You have a really talented collection
Speaker 1: of players and prospects, and you actually have some guys
Speaker 1: who are opt outs who are elected to play in
Speaker 1: this All Star Game because they understand the significance. I
Speaker 1: think the one thing that you want to do if
Speaker 1: you're a Jaguars fan, um, you want to pay attention
Speaker 1: to the guys that really pop at first glance during
Speaker 1: the Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday portion of practices. That's really where
Speaker 1: the money is made in terms of how guys compete,
Speaker 1: what guys look like. Do they progress and get better
Speaker 1: each and every day? So do they look like a
Speaker 1: better player on Wednesday than they do it on Tuesday?
Speaker 1: Do they feel comfortable on Thursday as opposed to the
Speaker 1: way they looked on Tuesday and Wednesday. I think that's
Speaker 1: really really important. It's unfortunate that the Jaguars don't have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to coach in this game because what it
Speaker 1: does do. It gives you an opportunity to get around players.
Speaker 1: And it's one thing to speculate how a player will perform,
Speaker 1: it's another thing to actually coach him, get around him,
Speaker 1: know him, Watch the study habits, watch how it takes
Speaker 1: things from the boardroom to the field, and so some
Speaker 1: of that stuff you would have to kind of call
Speaker 1: in your context or whatever. But it's a lot of talent,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of guys to watch and will continue
Speaker 1: to change because, as we know in All Star games,
Speaker 1: some guys have a tendency to play the first part
Speaker 1: of the week and then they go by the wayside
Speaker 1: and you end up seeing other guys when it comes
Speaker 1: to game game. Yeah, and uh, one of the one
Speaker 1: of the critical parts of All Star Games is practice evaluations.
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see how teams go about
Speaker 1: it because of some of the restrictions that the All
Speaker 1: Star Games are gonna have in place. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: that they're gonna disseminate all the film. I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: big believer in that one of the one of the
Speaker 1: areas that you really get a good look at and
Speaker 1: a a or thorough understanding of guys is the offensive
Speaker 1: lineman in the All Star Games. And the reason I
Speaker 1: say that is a lot of times certain teams have
Speaker 1: so much talent at the skill position, it has a
Speaker 1: tendency to overpower the offensive line position. And you can
Speaker 1: really get a good evaluation on a guy that because
Speaker 1: he's kind of on an island and so to speak,
Speaker 1: at an All Star Game, because he doesn't have a
Speaker 1: comfort level working with the guy to the left and
Speaker 1: the guy to the right, so they basically have to
Speaker 1: survive on their own. So you get a really good
Speaker 1: evaluation of their athleticism, their power and everything else. And
Speaker 1: so that's that's one aspect I mean, for me, if
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the All Star Games, I'm really focusing
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. That's I think you get really
Speaker 1: good information their skill position players. They always rise and
Speaker 1: they always stand out and they will continue to stand out.
Speaker 1: But the quarterback play typically in an All Star Game
Speaker 1: is not great enough to make a lot of the
Speaker 1: skill position players stand out. But that offensive line position,
Speaker 1: that's where I think you can find out really worth
Speaker 1: some guys really need to be. You know, it's funny, Jeff,
Speaker 1: because the trenches are everything, and so whether we talk
Speaker 1: about the offensive line or the defensive line. Those battles
Speaker 1: really matter, and so and practice is all about looking
Speaker 1: at nine on seven and so for the viewer of
Speaker 1: the listener, that is where we take the skill guys
Speaker 1: out and we basically just have the core of the
Speaker 1: offensive line going against the core of the defensive line
Speaker 1: and the linebackers. We have the quarterback and the running backs,
Speaker 1: but it's a run period, is a physical period, and
Speaker 1: you really get to see who can kind of stand
Speaker 1: the test of time in terms of being able to
Speaker 1: control the point of attack. Also the one on one
Speaker 1: situations that you see pass rush situations, being able to
Speaker 1: see as Jeff you alluded to those offensive linemen on islands,
Speaker 1: because unlike in the game where you can lean on
Speaker 1: your neighbors and get somebody help and stuff, if you're
Speaker 1: playing inside a guard or even outside where the tied
Speaker 1: end and the running back and chip, you get a
Speaker 1: chance to really do this all by yourself. And so
Speaker 1: seeing how those guys perform in those events that's critical,
Speaker 1: and I think it's very very critical to the overall evaluation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's one of these I think it's one of
Speaker 1: the hardest positions to evaluate. And so the more information
Speaker 1: that you can get, the better, and then the All
Speaker 1: Star Games provide that. And I'll give you a story
Speaker 1: Ashland back uh, and I'll make it quick. When I
Speaker 1: was a player here in Jacksonville and Buck, I'll never
Speaker 1: forget he was, I think, like a fourth round pick
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. And I'll never forget the first day that
Speaker 1: we went in pads, and I remember the first day
Speaker 1: in pats and I remember I watched him for the
Speaker 1: first round. I this guy has no chance of playing
Speaker 1: in the National He's got no chance. I mean he
Speaker 1: couldn't get into a stance without his ankles and his
Speaker 1: knees going in these crazy directions. And it was one practice,
Speaker 1: You're going, he's got no chance. And I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, what the heck were they watching? What
Speaker 1: do they evaluate on this guy? Because I mean there
Speaker 1: are offensive lineman that play on good teams that if
Speaker 1: you've got a great running back and a great quarterback,
Speaker 1: you can make an offensive lineman look pretty good. And
Speaker 1: so I'll just I'll never forget that. I was just
Speaker 1: like man one day and I kind of had this
Speaker 1: guy pick that he wasn't even gonna make the roster
Speaker 1: but he made the roster just because he was a
Speaker 1: draft pack. But then soon after that he was bye bye.
Speaker 1: You know I couldn't play. You're passionate about this. I
Speaker 1: hope the more information you can get at the offensive line,
Speaker 1: the better yere off you are. I can tell you
Speaker 1: that well ask to talk about what what lives is saying.
Speaker 1: A lot of times you're seeing these guys come from
Speaker 1: these offenses that are so spread heavy, so pass happy,
Speaker 1: that you really don't know if they can translate to
Speaker 1: the NFL game, because the NFL game is about the
Speaker 1: running game as much as we talk about the passing game.
Speaker 1: And can you get into three point stance? Can you
Speaker 1: move people off the ball and pass protection? Can you
Speaker 1: deal with the superheroes that play on the defensive line,
Speaker 1: because these guys look they can leap tall buildings in
Speaker 1: a single bound, and if you don't have the foot quickness,
Speaker 1: if you don't have the ability to anchor, it makes
Speaker 1: it very difficult for you to play in this league
Speaker 1: for a long time. And sometimes you can't assess that
Speaker 1: on tape. Sometimes you have to see them in practice,
Speaker 1: go against other good players to really determine how that
Speaker 1: they are as prospect. Very fair, very fair. I have
Speaker 1: a predicament. I guess I can say it for you too.
Speaker 1: And I hope my dad's watching because he always says,
Speaker 1: as you look at Joe Burrow and Cincinnati and they say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know they didn't address the offensive line. That's why
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow got hurt. Obviously that was going to happen. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously that's not true. Injuries happen in the NFL. So Bucky,
Speaker 1: I'll go to you. How much a priority is this
Speaker 1: offensive line is? They must need got to relok At
Speaker 1: everything we read at the combine last year and everyone
Speaker 1: said fan wise, oh, you have to completely redo the
Speaker 1: offensive line. Coaching staff said, no, it's not that bad. Guys,
Speaker 1: just wait and see so Jaguars taking a quarterback number
Speaker 1: one overall, how much are you looking at this offensive line?
Speaker 1: I think you have to consider because I think a
Speaker 1: lot is to be determinent about Cam Robinson, and so
Speaker 1: depending on if you bring him back as your left tackle,
Speaker 1: you may or may not have a big void. But
Speaker 1: I think with the offensive line, I don't think you
Speaker 1: ever can have enough of them. If you look at
Speaker 1: the best teams in this division, their offensive line is solidified.
Speaker 1: The Indianapolist Coast offensive line is one of the best
Speaker 1: in football. You look at the way the Tennessee Titans
Speaker 1: dominate in the trenches is because they've invested in the
Speaker 1: offensive line. I will say this, I believe your offensive
Speaker 1: line and your defensive line are the lifeblood of your team.
Speaker 1: And if you don't invest in those guys, if you
Speaker 1: don't have a level offensive and defensive lines, it is
Speaker 1: hard to win consistently in the league. I think it's
Speaker 1: something that always needs to be addressed. And luckily in
Speaker 1: this class there are a number of offensive tackles that
Speaker 1: could be there in the middle to the bottom of
Speaker 1: the first round. It would be great because you can
Speaker 1: improve an offensive line by getting better players number one,
Speaker 1: and also creating competition, and then you got to improve
Speaker 1: with what you got. And and I really believe this.
Speaker 1: I think you create competition on this Jaguars offensive line
Speaker 1: to make those guys push themselves. But then also you
Speaker 1: have to expect more out of these guys. Jo Wanna Tellor,
Speaker 1: I think is a perfect example. Bucky I mean, I
Speaker 1: like his athleticism. I think he can be an elite
Speaker 1: right tackle in this league. And last year was not
Speaker 1: the standard that he needs to meet. In my in you, Oh, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I think that's everything. And I think when you have
Speaker 1: a new coaching staff coming in, a new general manager,
Speaker 1: I think everybody in the building has to perk up
Speaker 1: on the roster. And when you think about this offensive line,
Speaker 1: there's no one that's invested in whoever the five guys
Speaker 1: that were out there last year. So now you bring
Speaker 1: in better guys, guys that can push, because not only
Speaker 1: do you want the best guys to play, but you
Speaker 1: want the backups to be capable of being starters. The
Speaker 1: best teams have that kind of depth where you have
Speaker 1: seven eight guys that can play and function at a
Speaker 1: high level. That's when your team and that's when your
Speaker 1: offensive line has an opportunity to dominate within the Division's
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Speaker 1: had a press conference day with head coach Urban Meyer
Speaker 1: as well as the new general manager, Trent Bulky, and
Speaker 1: they are hard at work building a coaching staff. Bucky.
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of reports going on. Every time you
Speaker 1: log on the Twitter you see a new one. But
Speaker 1: what do you think in favorite so far for offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator defensive coordinator? Were talking Joe calling a couple of
Speaker 1: breaks back. Definitely a favorite here in Jackson. So how
Speaker 1: do you think this plays out? Yeah, I think Joe
Speaker 1: Cullen certainly has the inside track in terms of being
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator, and I think he comes with a
Speaker 1: lot of experience. Obviously haven't been down there before, but
Speaker 1: his time with Baltimore. When you look at the Baltimore
Speaker 1: Ravens and that defense very very very multiple. They can
Speaker 1: attack your protections in a few different ways and they're
Speaker 1: very very aggressive. The thing that I would I would
Speaker 1: say is if he comes in, if he is the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, you just need to make sure that your
Speaker 1: second dairy coaches understand how to fit the pieces around it,
Speaker 1: because sometimes guys that live upfront have a tougher time
Speaker 1: matching up in the back end when it comes to coverage.
Speaker 1: So it puts a greater premium on making sure that
Speaker 1: your dB coaches are great teachers and also great schemers,
Speaker 1: so they can make the magic on the board really
Speaker 1: work in real life when you get to the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, typically you see a guy that goes from
Speaker 1: a positional coach to a coordinator position on defense having
Speaker 1: had experience either as the linebackers coach or as a
Speaker 1: secondary coach. Just from a coverage standpoint, I think, well,
Speaker 1: obviously what Bucky's talking about right there, and so it
Speaker 1: is odd that you see a defensive line coach go
Speaker 1: up to the coordinator position. But but I will say this, Bucky,
Speaker 1: you know, look at having been a former defensive lineman. Look,
Speaker 1: we're not all dummies, Okay, we we do understand the
Speaker 1: defensive concepts. Okay, just because we play defensive line doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that we don't didn't understand cover just as well.
Speaker 1: You know, I think, I think, I think it's interesting,
Speaker 1: But I will say this, typically what happens when you
Speaker 1: do that, because we've seen guys have success. Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: has been a successful defensive coordinator. Typically, what happens, though,
Speaker 1: is that experience having dealt with the big guys in
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, you're going to be dominant against
Speaker 1: the run. Typically, that's always going to be the point
Speaker 1: of emphasis. We've got to stop to run to make
Speaker 1: teams one dimensional. And in today's game, even though we
Speaker 1: talked about it being a passing league in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and when it gets to the last part of the season,
Speaker 1: the running game matters and you have to be able
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to stop that, to force
Speaker 1: people to throw when you really want to throw. And so, look,
Speaker 1: I think he has an opportunity to do a really
Speaker 1: good job that experienced servicing will not only in Jackson,
Speaker 1: but also in Baltimore. So I look forward to it.
Speaker 1: I know there's some other guys that were being banded around,
Speaker 1: but it seems like Colin is going to be the
Speaker 1: guy at defense. Yeah, I mean that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Look at look actually looking at my phone just a
Speaker 1: few minutes ago. I mean, all the reports are is
Speaker 1: that Joe Cullen is the defensive coordinator and Bucky Uh.
Speaker 1: I know Joe, Joe very well, good guy and excited
Speaker 1: for him. And what's amazing to me Ashland is and
Speaker 1: Bucky you know this, the number of defensive coordinators that
Speaker 1: have come out of Baltimore's positional group. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's immense, and uh, it's almost as if, Look,
Speaker 1: if you want to get a defensive coordinator position, go
Speaker 1: to Baltimore. Okay, be uh just a low level guy
Speaker 1: on defense, advanced to a position, and then you're gonna
Speaker 1: be a defensive coordinator one day. And then for many
Speaker 1: years it was automatic defensive coordinator for Baltimore. Ravens, guess what,
Speaker 1: you're a head coach in the waiting coming out of Baltimore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's been there for a long time, Jeff,
Speaker 1: going back to when we played together in the mid nineties,
Speaker 1: Baltimore has always been known for their defense and the
Speaker 1: way they've consistently kind of built that team in that
Speaker 1: program around the toughness, the physicality, and aggressiveness of the defense.
Speaker 1: And I just hope like that can pop up in Axonville,
Speaker 1: because you would like to see kind of a defensive oriented,
Speaker 1: defensive centric team because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: the teams that separate themselves are the ones that can
Speaker 1: get stops. All of the teams that continue to play
Speaker 1: in the final four are teams that can stop people.
Speaker 1: When you need to and I think it has to
Speaker 1: be a part of the program going forward. I couldnot
Speaker 1: agree more. And Buckey, I want your opinion on this
Speaker 1: as well. We talked a couple of segments ago about
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator position, Scotland Ahan Anthony Lynn. I have
Speaker 1: question marks around both that there's also positives about both,
Speaker 1: and we said, you know, chaina coming in, who do
Speaker 1: you call offensive coordinator? Can can they be a tie?
Speaker 1: Can you have both of them? Because they're both pre qualified.
Speaker 1: You know, I think there's a way that you can
Speaker 1: do it. Like it really just depends and a lot
Speaker 1: of it depends on the ego. I'll talk about Anthony
Speaker 1: land first and Anthony Lynn. What you're hoping to get
Speaker 1: is what is the soup dejour, meaning that Shanahan run
Speaker 1: game that system because that system has made um average players,
Speaker 1: good good players into superstars. And so if you can
Speaker 1: get that offensive system where you got the offensive line
Speaker 1: working on tracks, you have running backs that are down
Speaker 1: here one cut runners who James Robinson certainly fits the
Speaker 1: build and that you now can run. You can run
Speaker 1: the ball and it takes so much pressure off your quarterback.
Speaker 1: In a perfect world, if you can take Anthony Lynn
Speaker 1: with that run game and then match him up with
Speaker 1: Scott Linahan and what he's been able to do in
Speaker 1: the passing game. Yes, it would be great. I will
Speaker 1: say this about Scott Linahan. A lot of people will
Speaker 1: kind of go back and forth in him and hall
Speaker 1: On Lenahan. But if you look at the work that
Speaker 1: he did in Dallas with Dak Prescott, young quarterback got
Speaker 1: him up and going. Now, they had pieces in place,
Speaker 1: meaning the offensive line was solidified, they had a running
Speaker 1: back in Ezekiel Elliott, and as dat got better, he
Speaker 1: grew from being what I would call a game manager
Speaker 1: to being more of a playmaker. Even though we can
Speaker 1: celebrate and go crazy over what Trevor Lawrence potentially could
Speaker 1: be if he is to pick, you have to remember
Speaker 1: it's a young quarterback. You don't want to task him
Speaker 1: with too much of that. You want to be able
Speaker 1: to have a balanced offense that allows the quarterback to
Speaker 1: grow into being a playmaker. You don't want to ask
Speaker 1: him to be a playmaker in your one. You gotta
Speaker 1: take the pressure off of them. And that's and it's
Speaker 1: funny that you talk about Dallas and and how Scott
Speaker 1: Lanahan was able to help out Dak Prescott when well,
Speaker 1: you brought up a good point and that well, that
Speaker 1: offensive line and Ezeko Elliott was what made Scott Lanahan
Speaker 1: good and what made Dak Prescott have the time to
Speaker 1: be able to develop. I mean again, I mean even
Speaker 1: though we talk about coaches being important, and they are
Speaker 1: very important, and you can question offensive coordinators every day
Speaker 1: and three times on Sunday, but when you start to
Speaker 1: have really good players, it becomes harder to question offensive coordinators. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a player's game, and that is the
Speaker 1: number one thing and we have to keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: As much as we may talk about the position coaches
Speaker 1: and the coordinators. The number one job first of the
Speaker 1: gentlemanager in Urban you gotta bring in a level players
Speaker 1: because the better the players are, the better it is
Speaker 1: that you look as a coach. And so if we
Speaker 1: can bring in a number of five star players that
Speaker 1: can come in and have impact, because you need impact
Speaker 1: players to really change the course of the franchise, that
Speaker 1: helps all coaches look better. Better players, better team, better team,
Speaker 1: we get more wins. Everyone's excited. Jeff and I are smiling.
Speaker 1: We're not embroved in this fifteen game loses streak and
Speaker 1: trying to find a clicker and trying to find the
Speaker 1: good stuff. Everybody's better when we start winning games and
Speaker 1: the stars were better players. I can tell you this, Ashland,
Speaker 1: I can tell you I can be the best defensive
Speaker 1: line coach and football. Give me Aaron Donald. Give me
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, and I can coach him up. But I
Speaker 1: can do it. I'll be I'll be one of the
Speaker 1: best defensive line coaches in the league. Give me Aaron Donald. Okay, alright.
Speaker 1: Coaching search still going on. Hopefully to have that solidified
Speaker 1: next week. Thank you Bucky Brooks for joining us on
Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour. I won't call you an upgrade, but
Speaker 1: we'll leave it there. We'll say that. Appreciate you. Still
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Speaker 1: right now on Jaguars dot com. And a topic that's
Speaker 1: been floating around that I'm not gonna lie, Jeff, I
Speaker 1: giggle out a little now. It's shocking. I'm not a
Speaker 1: head coach I'm not a scout. I know that's shocking
Speaker 1: to you. But the debates on if they will take
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence number one, Coach Meyer said, you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna look at all the quarterbacks. There's a lot of options,
Speaker 1: are there? No, No, there, there's no options. Uh. The
Speaker 1: option is just to take Trevor Lawrence or do not
Speaker 1: take Trevor Lawrence and make a huge mistake. I've had
Speaker 1: the chance to watch the film of Trevor Lawrence. I've
Speaker 1: watched a little bit of the quarterback of b y
Speaker 1: U and watch a little bit of the quarterback of
Speaker 1: Ohio State. And for me, it's hands down, it's an
Speaker 1: easy decision. Trevor Lawrence is your guy. And uh, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say that he is on par with
Speaker 1: some of the armed talent that Patrick Mahomes showed when
Speaker 1: when he was in college, but the consistency with Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence is amazing, and for me, that's, uh, that makes
Speaker 1: it a very easy decision. He's got everything, he's got
Speaker 1: all the measurables, he's got the intangibles, he's been a
Speaker 1: winner everywhere he's been and uh, there's nothing not to
Speaker 1: like with Trevor Lawrence. I'm not saying he can't miss,
Speaker 1: because you can always miss, and because you you don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what the mental makeup is. But I mean
Speaker 1: history gives you the greatest indication, and his history is impeccable. Yes,
Speaker 1: spot on, clear favorites. And now we're curious to see
Speaker 1: if they do draft Trevor Lawrence, what do they do
Speaker 1: with the weapons around him? And one of the to
Speaker 1: do list questions was do you give d J. Chark
Speaker 1: a contract? Do you resign Keelan Cole? What do you
Speaker 1: do with these weapons given to Trevor Lawrence? While these
Speaker 1: weapons don't have a contract. So I mean you've got
Speaker 1: to You've got to figure a way out to uh
Speaker 1: to try to bring as many back as possible. I'm
Speaker 1: a big believer and that, uh are you. Ah, Let's
Speaker 1: say you've got a fine wine collection, right because some
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Speaker 1: you can, and then you don't replace until you find
Speaker 1: somebody that's clearly handed down better. So Cam Robinson, you
Speaker 1: try to keep them and resign them. But then in
Speaker 1: the process of of acquiring talent, whether it's free agency
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Speaker 1: term deals because of the cab which is actually advantageous,
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Speaker 1: you don't get better by losing talent. You get better
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Speaker 1: Very simple math, Yes, very sim smart man, smart man,
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Speaker 1: general manager in the building, and rightfully so many Jaguars
Speaker 1: fans are excited. Jeff. You're walking around town, you're at publics,
Speaker 1: you're hearing all the excitement buzzing. And I have a
Speaker 1: stat for you from the Jaguars ticket office themselves. This
Speaker 1: is twenty four hours after an Urban Meyer was head
Speaker 1: was announced the head coach. The Jaguars ticket department says
Speaker 1: fifty percent of their ticket deposits came just twenty four
Speaker 1: hours after the head coach was announced. From today to
Speaker 1: last year, eight times what the Jaguars ticket sales were
Speaker 1: going way up. And I don't blame them. People are
Speaker 1: excited and they should be well rightly so. And um,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be exciting. And it's not just
Speaker 1: about urb and Meyer. It's also about the prospect of
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. And so it makes that that the combination
Speaker 1: of of all the change, obviously it gives you hope.
Speaker 1: And that's what I think the fan base was really
Speaker 1: looking for was hope. And now you got it. You
Speaker 1: got a proven coach, one of the top three of
Speaker 1: all time win percentage in that coached in college football.
Speaker 1: And what is probably most impressive about his track record
Speaker 1: is not what he did at Florida or what he
Speaker 1: did in Ohio State. It's what he did that Utah,
Speaker 1: it's what he did at Bowling Green and taking those
Speaker 1: programs and turning around, turning them around instantly in one year.
Speaker 1: And also the prospect of having one of the winningest
Speaker 1: college quarterbacks in history here and uh and I can
Speaker 1: honestly tell you this excellent. I've never ever been a
Speaker 1: guy to root for this team to lose for draft position.
Speaker 1: I found myself rooting for this team to lose this year.
Speaker 1: You're one of those guys. You weren't the only one.
Speaker 1: Well look, you missed out and opportunities in the past
Speaker 1: to drift quarterback and those are very well documented from
Speaker 1: the Shawn Watson and Patrick Mahomes to to take your pick.
Speaker 1: And here you are with an opportunity, and if you
Speaker 1: win one game and the Jets ended up you know,
Speaker 1: losing a game, everything could be different. And uh so,
Speaker 1: I gotta say that it was. It was a very
Speaker 1: good week the last week of the season because the
Speaker 1: draft position was already decided, and the weeks prior to that,
Speaker 1: I was I might have found myself rooting for certain
Speaker 1: things to happen that I shouldn't have been doing. You know,
Speaker 1: you weren't the only one. I well, I look, I
Speaker 1: won't look at here. Here's the reality. I always root
Speaker 1: for this team to win because of the relationships that
Speaker 1: I have with coaches and the players, and you want
Speaker 1: them to have success. But somewhere deep down inside of me,
Speaker 1: there was that you know that that that little devil
Speaker 1: guy that's had on the shoulder, the guy okay, and
Speaker 1: then you had the other guy, that little devils on
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Speaker 1: say we saw that stat about the ticket office. If
Speaker 1: the Jaguars draft Trevor Lawrence number one, like we all
Speaker 1: expect them to do. I just want to be a
Speaker 1: fly on the wall and that ticket office. I hope
Speaker 1: they're fully stabbed right when that card goes in, because
Speaker 1: if that was what it was for just the head
Speaker 1: coach to be announced, can you imagine ticket sales the
Speaker 1: city when the quarterback is locked in. Oh, it's it's
Speaker 1: certainly going to be a big boost. And you know
Speaker 1: there were some that uh that here here's the crazy
Speaker 1: thing I got as you probably do too, because you're
Speaker 1: Florida girl, right, Okay, you probably have some friends that
Speaker 1: are not fans of urban Meyer. Yeah, but appreciate the
Speaker 1: fact that the guy wins. They get it. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you may not like him because he
Speaker 1: left your program, and and maybe some of the circumstances
Speaker 1: were where he left, but the fact remains he won,
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Speaker 1: impressed the hell out of me. Needless to say, the
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Speaker 1: You have Sunday three o'clock Tampa Bay, Green Bay, Sunday
Speaker 1: six thirty Buffalo in Kansas City. I was telling Jeff
Speaker 1: in the break that this is Buffaloes year calling in
Speaker 1: So what do you what are? What's your story with Buffalo? What?
Speaker 1: What do you got invested in Buffalo. I just think
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Speaker 1: in front of all these other teams that are historic
Speaker 1: and all this. They're really good. I look, I I
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Speaker 1: ill effects from the concussion, I just don't see Kansas
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Speaker 1: officer I'm taking. I'm taking Kansas City, Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 1: uh and I'm taking Tom Brady in the bucks. Wow.
Speaker 1: Now that is a game to watch. Okay, Well, then
Speaker 1: who wins with that? Kansa City? Kan City wins it?
Speaker 1: All they did that? You know that's the cancer. You're good.
Speaker 1: We never thought there could be a Tom Brady, but
Speaker 1: we might be watching the next one right now. Yes
Speaker 1: we will, and hopefully the Jaguars get there next Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: The Jaguars number one overall pick. Talk lots about that
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