1 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to Jags Am. I am Brian 2 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: Sexton filling in for Kai Stevens. We have a special guest, 3 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: someone you probably know very well, who's taking my spot. 4 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: So let's jump right in with the familiar what we know, 5 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: big things, and we are going to focus on defense today. 6 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Last week we got the opportunity to meet the Jaguars 7 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator, Ryan Nielsen. Really interesting guy, with a 8 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: lot of energy, and that's what you expect from the defense. 9 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: Right Attacking, going forward was his first message. When you've 10 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: got a pass rush tandem like Josh Allen and Treyvon Walker, 11 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: what better thing to do to chase the quarterback. 12 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: We want to be attacking and aggressive and everything that 13 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: we do at the run, how we attack blocks, how 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: we play coverage. We want to be a forward, leaning, forward, running, 15 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: going forward defense. And you're gonna say, well, what about 16 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: in the secondary and back pedaling out of there, But 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: when we make our break, we're coming out of that 18 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: break to go hit you. And so that's kind of 19 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: the you know, the two things that every day that 20 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: the players come in we want to stress. There's some 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: things fundamental things that tackling takeaways, ball disruption and pursuit, 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: and that's what we're gonna. 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: Be about chasing the quarterback. We just introduce you to 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: our special guest, former Jaguars linebacker Tom McManus, all around 25 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: good guy broadcaster these days. What'd you think of that 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: thought from him about going and getting the quarterback? Tom? 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the key to the game today, right, 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: You got to disrupt the QB and make sure that 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: timing gets off and he doesn't have all day long 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: to throw, So going forward, attacking, dictating what the defense 31 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: is gonna do against that offense. I love all of it. 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 4: Well, it's uh, not surprising, as he said Brian, to 33 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 4: hear a defensive coordinator talk about being aggressive. I always 34 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 4: joke I want to meet the first one that's not aggressive. 35 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 4: But you know, you like the way he stands in 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 4: front of a room, You like the way he can lead, you, 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 4: like the way he can set a tone in terms 38 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 4: of chasing the quarterback. I think the good news for 39 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: him Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen, in addition to being 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 4: really good pass rushers last year, they're always consistent against 41 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 4: the run overall players, So he can attack. But he's 42 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 4: got two guys there to build around who fill into 43 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 4: that philosophy. But they're overall players and I think that's 44 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 4: what he's going to like more than anything. 45 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that sure helps him to lean into the fact 46 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: that Walker and Allen were the best duo in the 47 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: NFL last year at attacking the quarterback with twenty seven 48 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: and a half sacks. Well, look, this is a young 49 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: quarter a young defensive coordinator, a guy who has been 50 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: around the block both in college in the NFL, and 51 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: he had a lot of opportunities, but he chose the Jaguars. 52 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: And he told us why he thought this was the 53 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: right place for him. 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: And it's so important you work with good people. And 55 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: we're so close in this thing, and we spent so 56 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: many hours a day away from our families with these 57 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: men in here, and you want to be around good people. 58 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: And so that was the first thing. And then Trent, 59 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: you know, you hear the same things, you know, and 60 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: so you start working your way down mister Kahn, the owner, 61 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, what's the organization about, how is 62 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: the owner? And then didn't know that they built the facility, 63 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: And then you start doing the roster research and you 64 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: kind of know a little bit. But then as you 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: start digging into this thing, you're like, you know what, 66 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: this is a great place. This is a place that 67 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: we want to bring our family to and be a 68 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: part of. This is a place that we want to 69 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: help take the next step. 70 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: You know, John, the way that last season ended, folks 71 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily feeling that energized and enthusiastic right now about 72 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: this football team. They have more questions than they think 73 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: they have answers. But when you get an outside guy 74 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: like Nielsen who comes in here and takes a fresh 75 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: look and sees the talent the building. As he mentioned, 76 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: this is an attractive job for anybody that joins this 77 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: staff for a number of reasons, which should be I mean, 78 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: they were eight and three last year the Jaguars, and 79 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: they finished nine and eight, so that cast a paul 80 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: over everything. But remember they were nine to eight, which 81 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: means as a defensive coordinator, if he comes in and 82 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: gives them two more wins. 83 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 5: I know it doesn't work that way. 84 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 4: But he has to be looking at it like all 85 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 4: I need to do is get them a little bit better. 86 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: I would think he's also looking at the roster of 87 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: thinking I've got Trayvon Walker. I've got Josh Allen, I've 88 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 4: got Devon Hamilton, who was really good before the injury. 89 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 4: I've got Foya Lukon, I've got Tyson Campbell. This is 90 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: not your two thousand and thirteen Jaguars where there's no 91 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: talent anywhere. I think he looks at it and says, 92 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 4: I've got some pieces. If I add a couple more, Tom, 93 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 4: I would think this is something you can work with. 94 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely. Look, I think on the outside John and 95 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 3: Brian they have the talent to get it done. I 96 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: agree with you on Devon Hamilton. I don't know if 97 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: I like him as that three four nose, but if 98 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 3: he can stay healthy and stay low, he can help 99 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: with Ton. Look you look at even the safeties. Johnny, 100 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: you got Cisco, you got Jenkins, got Antonio Johnson. You 101 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: mentioned Campbell. So the back end strong, the backers are strong. 102 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 3: We know that we need a little more beef up front, 103 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 3: and you can work with that. And I think it's 104 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: all upside. From coach Nielsen's perspective. 105 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: Well, we have Tom here today, so obviously our focus 106 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: is on defense, and there's plenty to talk about. Let's 107 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: go with our final big thing, and that is influences. Look, 108 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: when you get a coach, you get the sum total of. 109 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 6: All the experience he's had and all the lessons he's 110 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 6: learned from the coaches that he played for and coached with, 111 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 6: both in college and the pros. And Ryan Nielsen was 112 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 6: asked last week about his influences. 113 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: Who were the men who made the strongest impression on 114 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: him and that we will see in his schemes on 115 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: Sunday afternoons. 116 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: Have been very blessed in that have been around Monti 117 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: Kiffen and Norm Chow, Alex Gibbs, like all these guys 118 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: over the years, and just you know, when I was 119 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: a younger coach, I really didn't I guess understand at 120 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: the time. I was so young kind of all the 121 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: knowledge that when we were at Ole Miss and these 122 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: guys were coming in with you know, Ogeron was the 123 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: head coach and that man, it was just a football education, 124 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: and you kind of really didn't until years later you 125 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: went back into your notes and you're like, man, that's 126 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: you're very fortunate to be at a place at that time. 127 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: So Tom the coach comes in, he's got a new scheme, right, 128 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: and the players don't necessarily know it at this point 129 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: as a player who went from a couple of different coordinators. 130 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: What's the hardest part for these players now the expectation 131 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: of what they'll be asked to do or learning new language. 132 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: What's the hardest part about coming with a new core. 133 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: It's adjusted to the new terminology, for sure. You know, 134 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: you just got to rememorize it's all. You just got 135 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: to get in the books and study it. Most of 136 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: the things that defenses are doing today, they all do. 137 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: They all teams do, you know, a variation of pretty 138 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: much everything that everybody else does. But yeah, it's really 139 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 3: terminology and understanding exactly what coach Nielsen is looking for. 140 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 4: You always wonder, Brian, why they don't just have the 141 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 4: same language across the board and make it easier on 142 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:10,559 Speaker 4: these eyes. 143 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 5: But everybody's got their own stuff. 144 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: Look, he has been around good coaches, Minie Kiffin a 145 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 4: lot of cover too. It's hard to know exactly what 146 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 4: a guy's gonna run because everything changes so much in 147 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: the NFLGY everything's the guys have their basic scheme. You 148 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 4: get questions all the time about scheme. It changes every 149 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: year and you have to adapt to your personnel. I 150 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: think adapting to the personnel you have here is going 151 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 4: to be the key form and everything he talked about, 152 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 4: he'll be able to do that. 153 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: Brian, there are some thoughts from the introductory press conference 154 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: from Ryan Nielsen last Thursday. When we come back, we'll 155 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: dive a little bit deeper into some of the topics 156 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: and issues that he faces as he goes forward as 157 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: the new defensive coordinator of the Jaguars. All that and more, 158 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: jags Am continues Kevin, Welcome back to jags Am on 159 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: a Tuesday morning in Jacksonville. And by the way, folks, 160 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: if you're ready to help the Jaguars lock down the 161 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: bank in twenty twenty four, you could be first in 162 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: line to select your seats for next season by placing 163 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: your deposit. Now catch all the biggest matchups and don't 164 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: miss a single moment by placing your deposit at jaguars 165 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: dot com slash tickets, where you can call the folks 166 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: in the ticketing office nine oh four six three three 167 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: two thousand. Tell them. John Osier told at the call, 168 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: all right, we are rolling right along, you know. We 169 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: were just talking about the different schemes and influences that 170 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator brings in. You know, he talked about 171 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: Monte Kiffen and the first thing that pops into my mind, 172 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: guys want to hear mont Kiffin is Tampa two. Yeah? Absolutely, 173 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: And do you so do you expect with the talent 174 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: that he's got here? Explain what the talent that the 175 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: Tampa two is? 176 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: Well, the Tampa two is a coverage is Cover two 177 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: which is usually press corners with you know, corner on 178 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 3: each half, right, So he cut it in two for 179 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 3: the most part of the back end. But the old 180 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: Mandy Kiffen was we stopped the run on the way 181 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: to the quarterback. So that's interesting, you know, the going 182 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 3: forward comment, moving forward dictating that may make some sense. 183 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 3: Now do we have the the personnel? I don't know. 184 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 3: Do we have a warrant SAP type on the team 185 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 3: right now? Do we have a booger McFarlane? You know 186 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: what I mean? If we're gonna run that four to 187 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 3: three cover two? Do we have those pieces in place? 188 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: By type? Do you mean Hall of Fame type like horns? 189 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: Just disruptive type? You know, you know I've said this 190 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: for a long time. I think Devon Hamilton would be 191 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 3: a tremendous three technique and a four to three. Put 192 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: him on a guard where he's not getting banged by 193 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 3: two guys. You know, when you're three four notes, you're 194 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: getting hit by the guard the center every single play. 195 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 3: Put him one on one for some place against that guard. 196 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 3: Let's see what he can do. 197 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. 198 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: The key of Tampa two also is don't like to 199 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: blitz a whole lot. You assume that your four man 200 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 4: rush can get there. I don't know exactly what front 201 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 4: he'll you is. The fronts have changed so much in terms. 202 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 4: Back in the old Tampa two you had four and 203 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 4: you played seven. Back now everybody's doing hybrid so much 204 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 4: that it's not really like that anymore. 205 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 5: But they've got two guys on the edge who can 206 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 5: disrupt the quarterback. 207 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: Well, let's hear more from Ryan Nielsen from his news 208 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: conference last week, and in particular, he talked about some 209 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: of the things that the Jags did well. One of 210 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: them was taking the ball away and when the Jaguars 211 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: were winning last year, guys, the Jaguars defense was piling 212 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: them up near the top of the league. He couldn't 213 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: miss it when he turned on the tape. 214 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: We want to be an attacking, aggressive style, of defense 215 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: that runs the ball, you know, that goes and hunts 216 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: the ball, you know, and just put the pressure on 217 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: the offense. 218 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: You know. 219 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: That's just what that we feel that we can bring. 220 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 2: That's just the style that we want to play. And 221 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: so we feel that, you know, when we talked to 222 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: coach Peterson and you know, compliments what we're doing on offense, 223 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: and we want to be very complimentary to the other 224 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: side of the ball and you know, get them the 225 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: ball as much as possible and Trevor and you know, 226 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 2: because they've got a lot of talent over there and 227 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: they're very good. And so look, we just want to 228 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: do our job and get the ball back to them 229 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 2: as many times as possible. And when we do that, 230 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: we'll win a lot of games. 231 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 5: I think the key is this team is set up 232 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 5: and to score and be an offensive team. 233 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 4: Ideally, Ryan Nielsen does not have to come in and 234 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 4: have this be a top five defense to be great. 235 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 4: I'm not saying, you know, you should grate him on 236 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 4: a curve or whatever, but the defense overall, until very 237 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: of the season played well enough. I think what he 238 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 4: said is exactly right. If they break serve a couple 239 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 4: of times, I always use that analogy. If this defense 240 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 4: gets turned two turnovers a game and just doesn't give up, 241 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 4: just get way laid everywhere else, the offense is supposed 242 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 4: to do enough to work with that. So I definitely 243 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 4: think he can come in be a turnover oriented team, 244 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 4: get the twenties seven or twenty eight that they've been 245 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 4: doing in the last couple of years, stopped the run 246 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 4: a little better. I'll season, and I say his job 247 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 4: in hard, but I think it's it's an attainable goal 248 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 4: to be a good enough defense if the offense improves. 249 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. 250 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 4: I did. 251 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 3: Look, I think for me, it's more the the accountability. 252 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 3: You know, it's more like, you know, when you screw up, 253 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: you gotta be held accountable. 254 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:24,599 Speaker 1: You know. 255 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: There are too many miscues last year on defense, too 256 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: many missed assignments. I think when they were doing well, 257 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: consistent pressure because that you can be aggressive in your coverage, 258 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 3: you can attack the ball a little bit more. And 259 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 3: one thing I noticed, because I take stats all throughout 260 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 3: the year, third down was very good all year long 261 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 3: for this defense. They got off the field that they're granted, 262 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 3: our offense was a very good so that didn't help 263 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: takeaways work phenomenal yards per carry against were very good 264 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: early and through the middle, and then all of a 265 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: sudden it went from three point six to three point 266 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: eight yards per carry to four to four point two. 267 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 3: And you could just see that that was happening throughout 268 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 3: the end. You get, Look, we all want to hit 269 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: the quarterback, we all want to disrupt that all, but 270 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 3: the end of the day, you gotta stop the run, 271 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 3: at least control the run where it doesn't control you 272 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: and taking time off the clock and you can't get. 273 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: Off the field. I'm sure you have a thought on 274 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: what you watched on tape as to what happened and 275 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: why that number kept climbing. 276 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 3: I think I think it was attitude, I really do. 277 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: And look, I think it happened in Philly too. You know, 278 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: you get up here, you're the number one seed. Maybe 279 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 3: you don't put in that extra effort, Maybe you don't 280 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: hit the weights that much, maybe you're not studying as much. 281 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: Maybe you think you're just talented enough to show up. Well, 282 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: guess what, the offensive coordinator on the other side, he's 283 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 3: studying you, dissecting you, finding your weakness, and he'll find 284 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 3: it if you allow it to show up. So I 285 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: think it's more mental, more attitude. I think they've had 286 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: enough talent in twenty twenty three to be a contender. 287 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 3: But you gotta have you gotta be on point. You 288 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 3: can't have giveaways, and you can't be you know, having 289 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: missed assignments. 290 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, the run defense has to get better. The pass 291 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: rush is the thing that they were able to hang 292 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: their hats on, especially late in the season as Trayvon 293 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: Walker was coming on to compliment Josh Allen, and the 294 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator certainly noticed that when he turned on 295 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: the table. 296 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: I think they were talented. We've got a talented group. 297 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: We've got some really good players in that and that's 298 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: what was excited and attracted us about the job here. 299 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: But look, talent only gets you so far, right, and 300 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: so we're really excited to get to work with these guys. 301 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: They seem very eager. You know, you try to reach 302 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: out and just introductions, Hello, how you doing, you know, 303 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: introduce yourself things like that, and the staff and the 304 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: guys are seemed very eager and to get going. 305 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: I would ask the former linebacker question, first of all, 306 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 4: in terms of accountability, that was the problem when you 307 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 4: played the coach didn't held anyboy account. 308 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, I'm scared of that. 309 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 4: But you mentioned the run defense. You know so much 310 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 4: you always hear about you have mentioned me maybe off 311 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 4: the air to day. 312 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 5: It's got to be a little simpler on defense. 313 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 4: With so much at the end of the season about 314 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 4: jumping out of gaps, which I think was a big 315 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 4: problem too, how much simpler can you make playing the run. 316 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 5: Is that something that can be done and you think 317 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 5: that'll happen? 318 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think the fronts aren't. They're pretty simple. 319 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 3: I think with the coverages can get complex where you're 320 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: going from zone to man, you know, whatever you're doing 321 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: out there. So I don't think the fronts. You know, 322 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: gap integrity. I hear that a lot of times. Gap integrity, 323 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: you're getting moved out of your gap. They're just taking 324 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: you and moving you. Doesn't happen all the time, but 325 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: it happened too much last year, and I know as 326 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: a former backer. Look, you can't play the run when 327 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: your d linemen are getting pushed back. You just can't. 328 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 3: Whether it's a yard two yards, if they're in your lap, 329 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: Now you gotta guess, Now, you gotta you know, try 330 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 3: to you know, if you can't see the back and 331 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: I remember Ben Coleman in practices come out, he was 332 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: like the eclipsed the sun. I couldn't see anyblady. You'd 333 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: have to like look around him. But in a game, 334 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: you gotta make it a seat. If you jump in 335 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 3: the wrong then they go to the other side, you 336 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: know what I mean. But it all starts up front, 337 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 3: and if that defensive lineman line as a general, the 338 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: interior guys can just hold it will serve if you 339 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: will not, Hey, I don't look. Yeah, I want you 340 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: to disrupt. But if you don't disrupt my outside guy, yeah, 341 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: just stand there like, don't get pushed back into my 342 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: backers and my safeties, and we'll have a chance to 343 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: be better against lar. 344 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: Right, you mentioned man versus zone. John. I know you've 345 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: been getting questions in the ozone about philosophy and which 346 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: one better fits the Jags, which one will Ryan Nielson used. 347 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: It was one of the first questions he was asked 348 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: last week. 349 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: As one of our coaches. Would like to say, nothing 350 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: cheap and nothing deep. And so when you're press, you 351 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: take away the quick game and we like to play shell, 352 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: which everybody you know, when you look at us, we 353 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: you know, take away the deep throws. It may look 354 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: man man or man ish at times, but sometimes there's 355 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: some press bail and some nuances in the coverage of that. 356 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: It actually is zoned with tighter coverage outside, and so 357 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: that's actually good that you see it like that, because 358 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: if we're viewed like that, then we drop into zone. 359 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: It could be advantageous for us on defense, John, do 360 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: you see. 361 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: The defensive backfielders being a first round need for this team? 362 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: I know we see some mock drafts that have them 363 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: taking a quarterback. There are a couple of good ones 364 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: that fit where they are in the middle of the 365 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 1: first round. Do you think it's that critical or can 366 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: they win with what they've got right now and keep 367 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: developing Young Town? 368 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that it's I'm looking at the 369 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 4: draft a little differently. I try to look at it 370 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 4: through GM's eyes. I don't think it's a first round 371 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: need in twenty twenty four, but I think it's a 372 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 4: first round need at some point over the next two years, 373 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 4: and you might draft it in twenty four knowing it's 374 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 4: going to be in need, meaning Tyson Campbell and Darius 375 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 4: Wims of both in the last year of their contract. 376 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 4: I don't know that realistically, you're not going to re 377 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 4: sign two corners to big money. So if there's somebody 378 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 4: there at seventeen who makes sense and you can move 379 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 4: into the nickel and be really really strong for a year, 380 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 4: then move them out. So I think it's a first 381 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 4: You've got to address it at some point, and if 382 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 4: the right guys there, then I think you take it 383 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 4: this year. I guess I would say it wouldn't bother 384 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 4: me if they did it, because you're strengthening an area 385 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 4: that has to be stronger the long term. But I 386 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 4: could see how they could say, well, it's not there 387 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 4: right now, we have to wait till next year. Not 388 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 4: avoiding the question, I just think that's how they'll look at. 389 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: Well, we spend so much time talking about big guys, right, 390 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: I mean, this team needs more big, physical guys on 391 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: both sides of the line. We talked about that since 392 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: this show began. However, in today's game, the way that 393 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: it's played, you've got to have those corners that you 394 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: could put out there and say that's your guy. 395 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 3: Oh, without a doubt. But look, I think Tyson Campbell 396 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: is the guy that injury bothered him. And look, if 397 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: a soft tissue injury doesn't heal, you can't open the gate. 398 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: And as a corner, you can't open your gate, you're 399 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: gonna be off coverage. So again I'm more of a believer. 400 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 3: And by the way, when you play that tampa to 401 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: or that cover two press, like man, you know you're 402 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 3: gonna release them eventually, But during your zone, you were 403 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: glued to that that player until he gets out of 404 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 3: your zone. Happens for linebackers too. If the tight end 405 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: runs up the field, you gotta carryim. He's your guy 406 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 3: for the rest of that place. So there are some, man, 407 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 3: you know, zone principles. But look, I think it does 408 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 3: start up front. But if you are gonna play that press, 409 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 3: your corner's gotta be able to press. What does that 410 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: mean getting their hands on that wide receiver, not letting 411 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: them off the line of scrimmage freely and disrupting that 412 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: timing between him and the quarterbacks. 413 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: All right, Well, the combine begins next week. John will 414 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: be there covering it for us, and so we'll turn 415 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: our attention to what the Jaguars might be focusing on 416 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: next week, and we'll also get caught up on what 417 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: Tommy Max up to these days and his broadcasting career. 418 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: You're watching jags Am. We're back with more right after this. 419 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: We're back on jags Am Brian Sexton along with John 420 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: Osier and log Tye. Drags linebacker Tom mcmahmons. 421 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 4: I've got a question for the former player. Usually it's you, 422 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 4: me and Kai. We didn't play football. I mean he 423 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 4: played football. Your big sack in the state championship game. 424 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 4: He never mentioned that, but I really don't you mentioned that. 425 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 4: Tyson Campbell and so many injuries at the end of 426 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 4: last year, and fans hate hearing about injuries, but Trevor 427 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 4: Lawrence playing through at the end of last year. I 428 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 4: know you can't judge, you can't get inside players, but 429 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 4: how much do injuries when you're trying to play through 430 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 4: Is it realistic to think they're just not gonna affect 431 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 4: I mean, there's guys who can play and play effectively, 432 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 4: but as a player, when you're playing through that how 433 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 4: difficult When you look at players, how much do you 434 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 4: factor that in of Okay, that guy is trying to 435 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 4: play through something. 436 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 3: It depends on the injury, right, Like if it's a 437 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 3: hamstring Terry. That's going to be tough to come back 438 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: from if you tore your bicep, you know, from your shoulder, 439 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But you can still play 440 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 3: maybe a factor that it can do. You have the 441 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 3: strength to punch, you know, you have the strength to 442 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 3: get your hands on people. So it really depends. 443 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: I mean. 444 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 3: But here's the thing, like, and I know maybe today's 445 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: day and age they can't do it, but our backups 446 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 3: back in the day could play. I mean we might 447 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 3: not have been superstar guys, but if the starter went down, 448 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 3: the backup came in and you almost did miss a beat, 449 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 3: you know. So where's that depth when that that you know, 450 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 3: those injuries do occur, because they're gonna occur, they always occur, 451 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: but you better make sure you got someone that could 452 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: jump into that role and at least fill the rim, 453 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 3: you know, up to the rim as close as they can. 454 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 5: Well. 455 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: Back when you were playing also, I mean you had 456 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: Brian Schwartz and Brand Boyer and Kevin Hardy and then 457 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,239 Speaker 1: he had Ty Halleck and people might forget that Ty 458 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: Hallick was playing full back, tight end and line. Yeah, 459 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: and when you got hurt, he had to jump on 460 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: the other side of the ball. 461 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 3: That's right, and play absolutely, guys have to be vers 462 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 3: multi yeah, yeah, no doubt. But uh, it depends to 463 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 3: back your question. It depends on the injury. Mean, look, 464 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 3: I don't want to go to old school with the 465 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: difference between pain and injury, right, you know, but there 466 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 3: are Look I wonder like if if if Brandon Sheriff 467 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: was just so banged up that the you know, if 468 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 3: you've ever had really bad pain, it weakens the muscle. 469 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 3: I mean, I've had the torn by since all that, 470 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 3: it'll just weaken it, like you don't have the same 471 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 3: you know, power and explosion is if you have. But again, 472 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: it depends on the severity of the injury and what. 473 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 5: The injury and Jasin doesn't play through. 474 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 4: I mean, you had Trevor playing five games last year 475 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 4: through injuries. 476 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 5: Every time you. 477 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 4: Gotta be out there, but at some point it's got 478 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: to affect your level as well, and I guess that's 479 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 4: the uh yeah, that's why you play the games. 480 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 3: I think for most players, you find out all you 481 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 3: can on the injury front. Can I make it worse? 482 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: And if I don't, if I can't make it worse, 483 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 3: can I handle the pain? If I can handle the pain, 484 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 3: I'm playing no matter what. 485 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: All right, what are you up to these days? I 486 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: see the horse's mouth. I know you're doing some of that. 487 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah horse's mouth. 488 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, straight from the horse's mouth, you know. So like, 489 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 3: you get a chance to sit at my bar. I'm 490 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: a bartender, Tommy Max. It's a makeshift bar at San Marco, 491 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 3: and you get to tell your story. You know, it's 492 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: which is great. So it doesn't cost you anything to 493 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 3: show up. You sit at my bar. We have a beer, water, coffee, whatever, 494 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: even whiskey if you want. It's up to you. And 495 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: we talk about what you're doing in our community. And 496 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 3: I love that show because every we do military entrepreneurs, philanthropists, 497 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 3: sea level executives, sports people, you're on Dave Camp. I mean, 498 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 3: it's just a good variety of a show. I also 499 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 3: do a podcast called Catching Up with Tommy Mack on 500 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: ten ten XLS podcast platform. I do that twice a week. 501 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 3: That's really just me talking about the jags. More of 502 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 3: an editorial. I read and react kind of like you're 503 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 3: supposed to see back or I'm trying. I'm trying. 504 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: But are you ever animated? Or you always a subject. 505 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 3: No, no, you know how Yeah, Like I get excited, man, 506 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 3: I love I love talking about Paul John. 507 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, we were out at at 508 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: a burger place, right yeah, and Kevin Hardy was there. 509 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: There were a bunch of former players. Pete Mitchell was there. 510 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: That that's a Facebook thing that you that's. 511 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: That a new show. It's called Tommy Max Happy Hours. 512 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 3: So we did at the Graffiti Burger Bar in Jacks 513 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: Beach and we did it pretty much all season on. 514 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 3: Aaron Beasley Killer Bees my co host, and then we 515 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 3: bring on guests like you were there every every single 516 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 3: week and we just that show you were on the 517 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: last one that was the finale of season one. Season 518 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 3: two is coming up in about two three weeks now. 519 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 3: It's just in the bar. 520 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna go behind the scenes and follow Beasley somewhere 521 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: doing something with that guy. 522 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 3: You gotta follow him around because he's got it. He's 523 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 3: got a ton going on, and he brings a lot 524 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: of just great charisma and knowledge and he's one of 525 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 3: my good buddies, so I love having him on the show. 526 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: It was all a bunch of former Jags the early days. 527 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 5: It was a nostalgia best John Well and guys stay. 528 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 4: And I'm sure for you, Tom, that's a great thing 529 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 4: and you're probably used to it by now because you've. 530 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 5: Been in Jacksonville. 531 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 4: Doesn't happen everywhere, but so many guys stay that I'm 532 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 4: sure it's a great community for you. 533 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: You know. 534 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 3: Look, and I've said this to Brian. That's why I 535 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: love Jacksonville so much. It was more than just playing 536 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: for the Jags, although that got me here. I met 537 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 3: my wife here, I live here. This is I've lived 538 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 3: here longer than I've ever lived anywhere else. I love 539 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: Chicago where I'm front. I loved when I spent my 540 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 3: time in Boston. But I've been at Jacksonville for almost 541 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, twenty five years now, if not long 542 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 3: twenty eight years, I think it is. And it's a 543 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: great community. I love the people, I love the fans, 544 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 3: I love the teams here. And for me to be 545 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 3: able to go out there and talk about what I 546 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 3: love talking about, you know, in the place that I played, 547 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: it's fantastic. 548 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: You showed up in Jacksonville twenty nine years twenty nine. 549 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: One more thing you mentioned to me last week when 550 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: we were having coffee. You're starting to work again on 551 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: a documentary idea about the book you wrote about your father, 552 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: who was shot down during World War Two and was 553 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: part of a dramatic experience in a prison camp. 554 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. All. At the age of twenty three twenty four, 555 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 3: he was playing football at Rutgers in the day after 556 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 3: pro Harvard. He left Rutgers and joined the Army Air Corps, 557 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: learned to fly the B twenty four bomber. Eventually got 558 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: his crew and on their twenty third mission, they were 559 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 3: shot down over head of the Munich and he spent 560 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: eleven months in a prison war camp, various ones. They 561 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: had to move him a couple of times because the 562 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 3: end of the war was coming and liberated by General 563 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 3: Patton's Third Armored Division. Came home and went back to Rutgers. 564 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 3: Played leather helmet football for two more years, and his 565 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: last game. I'm very proud to say this, my dad's 566 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 3: last football game was he was a member of the 567 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 3: Eastern College All Stars. They played the New York Giants 568 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 3: and the Polo Grounds in nineteen forty seven. Doc Blanchard 569 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,479 Speaker 3: was his teammate and so is Ernie Davis, and they 570 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: got a nice photo of him and an article that 571 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 3: talks about my dad and Doc Blanchard days. 572 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: It's really pretty. It's a great book. 573 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: I Will Always Be Pals the last words of a 574 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 3: dying father and a true hero. Literally the last words 575 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 3: my dad said to me before he died of cancer. 576 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 3: Him and I were really close. We were fifty years 577 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: apart with best friends, and I got a chance say goodbye, 578 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 3: though man, I really appreciate it being able to say 579 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 3: I love you, thank you, I'll take care of Ma, 580 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: kissed him goodbye, hugged him goodbye, and that was the 581 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 3: last woman I had with him before he does. 582 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: We'll Always be Palace. Check it out. I read it 583 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: years ago. We did a story on TV about it, 584 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: and hopefully a documentary is forthcoming. When we come back. 585 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: We'll get a couple of thoughts and what John's looking 586 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: at at the combine next week and wrap up this 587 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: edition with Tommy Mack as our special guest. You're watching 588 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: jags Am. 589 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: We took the family down, we took him down to 590 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 2: Disney World and we were on the Small World and 591 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 2: eventually the Slip got granted permission for the Slip and 592 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: so we're sitting on I've got our kids and my 593 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: wife's on the other end, and we just sat down 594 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 2: on the boat and got a text from coach Peterson 595 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: basically said hey Ryan as coach and would like to 596 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: talk to you. You know that type of deal. 597 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 5: And I looked at my wife and I'm like, how. 598 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: Long is this going to be? Like I got to 599 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: make a call, right and so you don't realize I 600 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: was on. 601 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: I can't remember last time I was on a Small World, 602 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 2: but it seemed about half an hour that ride and 603 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 2: eventually got off and it worked out. 604 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: I remember the last time I was on It's a 605 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: Small World, and it seemed like a half an hour. Rock. 606 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, it seems I manage waiting for a job off. 607 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: Or not, it's long, no matter what. All right, we 608 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: mentioned that you're going to Indianapolis. You and JP will 609 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: have this show next week from Indie jags am from 610 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,239 Speaker 1: the NFL Combine next week. Are you going up there 611 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: with the idea that you're going to specifically look at 612 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: different groups or players? Where's your attention? 613 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 5: Not as much, I mean we look at that. 614 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 4: Our primary objective covering the combine is that to talk 615 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 4: to our guys, meaning Doug and Trent. I will speak, 616 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 4: and you try to glean sort of where the franchise 617 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 4: is headed right now, because if you think about it, 618 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 4: Trent and Doug have really talked about wrap up, which 619 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 4: is sort of looking back now they've had some meetings. 620 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 4: I don't expect Trent to pull me aside and say, hey, 621 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 4: we're drafted, but you get an idea about sort of 622 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 4: what they're looking at. 623 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 5: They've made a few more decisions. They might hint at 624 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 5: a few things that they couldn't hint at two or 625 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 5: three weeks ago. 626 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 4: Beyond that, you sort of watch the drills where you 627 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 4: can quarterback won't be a thing, but you know, I 628 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 4: start to try to get a feel from talking to 629 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 4: people about certain draft picks, about certain positions offensive line, 630 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 4: defensive interior, which Tom wants, and you know I'll be 631 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 4: looking at corners as well. 632 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: And from your perspective, when you think about the combine, 633 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: you go back and what's that like from the players? 634 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 3: Well, I was never invited to the combine. My slow 635 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: ass was invited. I look better at pads than I 636 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 3: did pads. But I do like watching the combine and 637 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: I really like watching the drills because you can see 638 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: their movement, look It's one thing to move on your own, 639 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 3: it's another thing to move on command, you know what 640 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: I mean, where it's you got to react and instinctly move. 641 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 3: So I love looking all all the positions. I do 642 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 3: like watching the QBS throw just to I don't put 643 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: too much stock into it, but I do like to 644 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 3: see that release in that arm and see where they 645 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 3: place it. But yeah, for me, it's all look and 646 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 3: I think it's a cliche. The measurables got to match 647 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: the tape, and maybe they don't always do right. So 648 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 3: you just gotta be really careful what you see out 649 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 3: there in the combine that it translates to what it 650 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 3: does in the football. I if you don't want to 651 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 3: looks like Tarzan, play like Jade type scenarios. 652 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: I love that. 653 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 4: And one thing coaches always look at is even beyond 654 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 4: what they're doing on the field. A lot of coaches 655 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 4: that have been around like to look at how they're 656 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 4: interacting with their group, whether their leaders or not, whether 657 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 4: they're comfortable in that situation. And you do see differences 658 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 4: in terms of if a guy's a natural leader, so 659 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 4: they're always on display and always being watched it this. 660 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: Day, if a psyche of a player. You don't know 661 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 3: until you get them in. You know, to feel for 662 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 3: a guy, you got to get a good feel for. 663 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: Are they my kind of player? The kind of guy 664 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 3: that's got grit, that's gonna work, that's gonna be able 665 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 3: to handle adversity, that's always got to bring his a game, 666 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And guys who put on 667 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 3: shows in those interviews, right, they're like trying to put 668 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 3: their best foot forward. But when you get them in 669 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: to your facility, to your team, that's when you hope 670 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: that you hit them on that regard. You may see 671 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 3: him on film, looks good on film, looks good in 672 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 3: the you know, the measurables. But man, I hope he's 673 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 3: as tough as he is good on those other two things, 674 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 3: if you know. 675 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: What I mean. 676 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: Look, you're here or you're in Indy. Next week. By 677 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: the time you're here again, we'll be talking about the 678 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: start of free agency, which is just three weeks away, 679 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: and we still have that we can tell. By this Moile, 680 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: we still have the story of Josh Allen and Calvin Ridley, 681 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: and hopefully we have some resolution as we get closer 682 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: to it. Tom, thanks so much for me, thank you, 683 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: and that'll do it for jags Am again. Next Tuesday, 684 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: the show comes to you live from the Indian at 685 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: a convention center side of the twenty twenty four NFL combine. 686 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: Jathon Scheindrick will host. John Osier will be there, and 687 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: we'll see you next week on jags Am.