1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: modern whitetail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan, 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: and this week on the show, I'm joined by four 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: hunters who've decided it's time to embrace being an okay 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: hunter and all the fun, fumbles and failures that come 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: along with it. All right, welcome to the wire Hunt podcast, 8 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: brought to you by First Light. Today in the show, 9 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna answer the question is it okay to be 10 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: a just okay hunter? I think there's something we said, 11 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: there's this idea and I think a reality of source 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: that we're probably not all going to be a Mark 13 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Jury or and in fault or uh John Dudley, and 14 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: maybe there's something to be said, Maybe there's a benefit 15 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: to embracing that reality. Two accepting that reality to a 16 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: degree in finding how we can be our own kind 17 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: of hunter. That's the discussion we're gonna have here today. 18 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 1: And I'm joined by four guys, four guys who have 19 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: started a podcast in the community called The okayst Hunter, 20 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: and they're all about embracing this idea, embracing the fact 21 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: that We're not all going to be the best hunters 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: in the world. We're not all going to kill giant 23 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: bucks every single year, and let's not kill ourselves trying 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: to do that or trying to compare what we're doing 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: to other people. Let's enjoy our hunt, Let's hunt our 26 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: own hunt, and let's celebrate that. That's the message these 27 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: guys are sharing. This is the message that I, you know, 28 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: I think I needed to hear. This is something that 29 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: if you've been listening to the podcast over the last 30 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: six months, you've kind of heard me going through some 31 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: of my own kind of I don't know, debates and 32 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: internal dialogues around what I personally want out of hunting 33 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: and what my goals are and why I'm doing what 34 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm doing. Um And if you've listened for a long time, 35 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: you know that I've always been a very goal oriented person, 36 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: very achievement focused, very driven, always you know, pushing to 37 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: be the very best deer hunter I possibly can be, 38 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: and and just striving and striving and pushing and pushing, 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: and you know, not wanting to cut in the corners 40 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: and preaching the importance of not cutting corners and doing 41 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: everything you possibly can and sometimes that's a great thing. 42 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: I think that's a really good thing and stuff I 43 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: stand by. But sometimes that maybe you can go too far. 44 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes maybe you can get to a point where you're 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: so stressed about what you achieve or uh get when 46 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: it comes to hunting, or you're putting so much pressure 47 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: on yourself, or you're so focused on the outcome that 48 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: you lose sight of your community and your friends and 49 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: your family and the fun of hunting. If any of 50 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: that stuff starts happening, I think maybe we've got a problem. 51 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: And that's something that I've experienced personally myself. So talking 52 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: to these guys, I got to think, and maybe it 53 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: is okay to be okay sometimes maybe there's something that 54 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: we said about actually having fun while you're hunting or 55 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: going to breakfast with your buddies. Uh yeah, maybe it 56 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: will decrease your chances of feeling a tag a little bit, 57 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: But does that really matter? Those are some of the 58 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: questions we're gonna answer here today. I'm joined by Eric Clark, 59 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: Derek Melcoor, Tyler Meaden and Greg Tubs. These guys are 60 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: fun group. They've got a great perspective I think on this, 61 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: and as I mentioned, I think it's a much needed 62 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: perspective as so much within our white tail hunting community 63 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: is so focused on killing big bucks and you know, 64 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: sharing your pictures online and people bragging about their big deer, 65 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: people trashing other people about their small deer or whatever 66 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: it is. There's just a whole lot of craziness I 67 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: feel like these days, and um, maybe this is just 68 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: the antidote that we need. So I'm excited about this one. 69 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the chat. I hope there's some of 70 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: you out here that can benefit from this one. To um, 71 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: I certainly did so. Without any further ado, let's get 72 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: to my chat with Eric, Derek Tyler and Greg and 73 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy it. Thanks for listening, all 74 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: right with me on the show. Now, I've got a 75 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: very full house. We've got Eric, Derek Tyler, and Greg 76 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: the okayst Hunter crew coming to us from the bar 77 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: and the basement to the studio of the Okas Hunter 78 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call it. These guys are already having 79 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: a good time. It seems that. Welcome to this show, guys, 80 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. Cheers of a Yeah, I wish 81 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: I was I wish I was partaking. But like I said, 82 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: it's it's three o'clock in the afternoon here I'm recording, 83 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: and I just had a coffee, So I don't know 84 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: if mixing coffee with beer immediately is a good idea. 85 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have tried that. But 86 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: you're you're already pulling some rookie numbers there. You gotta 87 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: think ahead about this and coffee, man, you gotta throw 88 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: a little whiskey in there. That's a good point. That's 89 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: a that's a proven commodity. You make a very good point. 90 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: So so you guys obviously know how to have a 91 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: good time. But what I want to talk to you 92 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: guys about and you can each kind of individually give 93 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: me your own take on this. But you know, when 94 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: I recorded the previous introduction to this, I share with 95 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: everybody about how I've I've had a little bit of 96 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: a transformation in how I view my hunting and how 97 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: I approach my hunting. And this is something that I've 98 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: kind of been going through over the last six months 99 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: to a year, um, and I've kind of coming around 100 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: to rethinking my goals, the why and the how of 101 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: of how I hunt, and so I say all that, 102 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: because what I'm starting to appreciate more seems to be 103 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: very in line with the theme of the brand. You 104 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: guys have started the Okayest Hunter, And I guess maybe 105 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: this is a question for whoever wants to talk the loudest. 106 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: I guess, but why why the okay stunner? Why did 107 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: you guys launch this brand, this movement, this idea? Why 108 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 1: is it okay to just be okay at hunting? They're 109 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: all pointing at me. This is Eric, this is Derek's wheelhouse, Rdier. 110 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm on the spot. So you know, really, at some 111 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: point along the way, um, I had been uh a 112 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: victim of but you know, I I took some shots 113 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: at being shamed, you know, for posting a do fund 114 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: that I got with my bow. It was a ten 115 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: yard shop from the ground. It was very exciting. I 116 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: happened to be because here my daughter was born. Don't 117 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: make me do math on the White Hunt podcast. But 118 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm thirty six now, so I think it was or No. 119 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: Thirty two thirty two, and so that was my first 120 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: year at the Bow and I posted it and people 121 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: were just dog piling on me. And then I felt 122 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: this pit of my stomach, like, wow, you know, maybe 123 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: I should be better by now, or why did I 124 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: post that? Or what you know, I maybe I do suck. 125 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: This is awful. And then somewhere along the way, shortly 126 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: after I saw the same thing happened to a child. 127 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: A kid posted a picture of like a button buck 128 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: or something and or like a spike and they just 129 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: got you know, uh, just a couple of people just 130 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: happened to say you should have let it go or 131 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: something like that. And I bought the domain name like 132 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: ten minutes later, and I'm a bit of a domain 133 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: name horder, but it was, it was that was the 134 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: kind of um the spark that lit the fire, and 135 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: and so we kind of lead with you know, no 136 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: dear shame, no buck shame. We built a started to 137 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: build this community, started to hear from others that felt 138 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: similarly and started to share their spike buck photos with 139 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: us that had never seen the light of day before. 140 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: And it opened up our eyes to say, wow, there's 141 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people here that you know, are have 142 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: experienced something with it like this, are are are afraid too, 143 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: and that's probably not good for hunting as a collective. UM. 144 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: So that was that was it. I mean that to 145 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: answer your question, that was the start of it and 146 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: it's evolved quite a bit from there, but that was 147 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: the kickoff. So when you say an okay hunter the 148 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: okayest hunter, what how would you define an okay hunter? How? 149 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: How would you guys define yourselves even celebrate the failures. 150 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: There's there a lot of teachable moments there and like 151 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: learn to laugh at yourself. And if we think back 152 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: to time before social media, no one cared. You know, 153 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: you just went out and you had shot deer and 154 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: you had fun. And I think it's trying to harken 155 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: back to get getting back to our roots. Is is 156 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: why we got into the stuff, like be a kid 157 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: about it on Christmas morning, As our friend down south 158 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: says Jared, Nor would you know, should ever gets your 159 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: pea hot um? One way to put it? And it's 160 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: this laughter that we're having right now, like that that 161 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: need there needs to be more of that going on. 162 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: So we we leverage humor a lot. But everyone's at 163 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: a different stage in their hunting journey and that should 164 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: be celebrated to you don't know what someone else is 165 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: going through. Um, you know a lot of us here 166 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: raising families or some of us are focusing on our 167 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: careers or um, maybe you're trying something new for the 168 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: first time or whatever it is. So it's just be 169 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: cognizant of others and you know, I'll jump in and 170 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: so that the where people are on their hunting journey. 171 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: It's it's really hard to know that when you see 172 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: one picture on social media that someone posts, you know, 173 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: I look at myself. I've gone through a real evolution 174 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: as a hunter. This is Tyler, by the way, I 175 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: probably introduced myself. So yeah, you know, I started hunting 176 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: when I was twelve. UM. Was really blessed to have 177 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: like this amazing property. We saw all these dear you know, 178 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there as a twelve year old and trying 179 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: to you know, wait for a certain like size of buck. 180 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: And this is before social media. Like this is how 181 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: I started hunting, very spoiled, very judge of other hunters, 182 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: and then like I started to evolve. I got into 183 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: bow hunting about eight years ago, UM and started to 184 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: sit there And I'm sitting there as I'm hunting and 185 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: thinking about these deer that are walking by and what 186 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: people might be saying if I posted that, what would 187 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: they comment, but what what they think, and that's just not healthy. Right, 188 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm passing up opportunities to make memories. But why am I? 189 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: Why am I doing this? And then, um, now I have, 190 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, two young kids, so the amount of time 191 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: that I actually get to hunt is minimal. So you know, 192 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: right now, like I'm just looking to put some meat 193 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: in the freezer, right, It's that That's what it's about 194 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: for me as I look out the next couple of 195 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: years and until my my daughters get a little bit 196 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: older and I can start taking them out with me 197 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: and maybe get a little bit more time in the field. 198 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: So it's you know, I look at it as you know, 199 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: I've I've really evolved and gone more from someone who's 200 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: trying to hunt a certain age class of buck to uh, 201 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, more of an okayus hunter or someone who's 202 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: almost at the beginning stages. UM. And I look at myself, 203 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: and then I look at other people on social media 204 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: and where they might be at, and the whole thing 205 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: is it's really interesting and I've you know, Eric, Eric 206 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: pitched the idea to me UM a few years ago, 207 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: was that maybe and I was having all these thoughts 208 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: and feelings about it, and I was like, I'm all in, 209 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: let's go, you know. And it started as hey, um 210 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: and buck shaming, and it's now for me, it's more 211 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: about how do we make hunters feel comfortable in the community, 212 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: no matter where they're at and their hunting journey. And 213 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: I'll jump in on that. This is Derek Um. I 214 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: kind of look at it a little bit different way 215 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: now than kind of when I got started with you 216 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: guys just over a year ago, and going off with 217 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: Tyler said like, you don't know where someone started their 218 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: journey hunting, and they may have had the best of 219 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: public land and hunting came super easy. They got a 220 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: whole pilot deer when they're fifteen years old, and that 221 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: kid might look at another kid who's fifteen who grew 222 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: up with no one showing him the ropes, and he's 223 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: hunting the piece of crap public land down the road 224 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: because it's all he's got, and hunting is two totally 225 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: different things for those two people. And instead of seeing okay, 226 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: this hunter is like okay, is it not a great hunter? 227 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: I see it as like it's okay no matter what 228 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: kind of hunter you are, So like, whether you're that 229 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: probably public land hunter the probably land like it's okay. 230 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: As long as it's legal, it's okay. And celebrate it, 231 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: like what they said, like your journey, their journey. Embrace 232 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: where you are in it, and it's okay for other 233 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: people to be where they are. What about you, what's 234 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: your story? Greg? My story? Um, basically started hunting as 235 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: as a young guy too, you know, twelve years old, 236 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: had my hunter safety succeeded on a turkey right away 237 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: in the spring with that multiple deer had you know, 238 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: witnessed the worst cases of buck fever. Ever, as I'm 239 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: watching giant ten pointers jumped through fence rose and you know, 240 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: I I love that stuff, and I I had to 241 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: take a break, you know, got into tech school and 242 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: went went off and started a career, and I took 243 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: a pretty long break from deer hunting, did a bit 244 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: of duck and continued down with turkey. But I always 245 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: enjoyed it no matter what. And I hunted with people 246 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: of all different skill levels, and you know, they all 247 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: treated me pretty much the same. You know, we're all 248 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: respectful of each other. And it's the same with this group. 249 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm not the best hunter here. I've not killed the 250 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: most and biggest deer. But I really enjoy it. I 251 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: enjoy the camaraderie and like these guys that said it, 252 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: it's okay to be okay, it's okay to celebrate it. 253 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: And everybody's journey is different. Yeah. You know what's interesting 254 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: is like listening to all of your stories and in 255 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: in from my own experience and talking to other people 256 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: and stuff. One thing that seems to stand out so 257 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: much is just the the impact of comparison comparing what 258 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: we are doing or where we have done, or what 259 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: we've quote unquote achieved or got or whatever, comparing that 260 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: to others. Uh. And you know, I don't know if 261 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: this is something that is just and mean it is 262 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: human nature. I guess I was gonna say, I don't 263 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: know if this is human nature, but this is human nature. 264 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: But I think it's human nature that has been it 265 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: has been amplified by technology and social media. Right. I mean, 266 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: if you were to look back twenty five years ago, 267 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: there would be a little bit of like, you know, 268 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: a little bit that dick measuring contest your muffs of 269 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: the kid like that kind of thing. At the bar, 270 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: right coupe, people put out a picture from their wallet 271 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: and they say, I got this big buckets, Like locally 272 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: that in a group of like twenty people, maybe you'd 273 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: be like telling stories and comparing this or that or whatever. 274 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: There's a little bit of that kind of thing going on. 275 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: But now we aren't just pulling out a picture from 276 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: the wallet and showing two guys at a table. It's 277 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: you're talking to thousands of people on Instagram, or you're 278 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: talking on a podcast to people, or you are sharing 279 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: something on Facebook that can go viral or be posted 280 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: on some message board or some forum or some Facebook group, 281 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: and so many people see this thing, and so many 282 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: people that don't even know you personally. So previously you 283 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: were only sharing your experiences and and kind of going 284 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: back and forth the people you had a relationship within 285 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: a history with and who cared about you. But now 286 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: this stuff is being shared across the world to a 287 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: bunch of random people that have no connection to you, 288 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: no understanding of you. Uh. And also there's no I mean, 289 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: all the downsides that come with general social media trolling 290 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: as well. So all of these things I think have 291 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: amplified this idea of not living, not just being able 292 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: to live your own experience, but your experience in part 293 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: being what am I trying to say? That your experience 294 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: inevitably is always going to be in some way compared 295 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: to others. Like that's the kind of human thing we 296 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: all we can't help but look what we have in 297 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: comparison to others. But now that sample size is huge 298 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: and full of a bunch of a holes, And I 299 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: think that is is this crazy new sensation that we're 300 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: dealing with. It is really really profoundly impacted hunting in 301 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: the last ten, fifteen year or something like that. Yeah, 302 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: it's competitive human nature. You know, everybody wants to either 303 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: do better for themselves or maybe prove that they're better 304 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: then you know, the next guy. And some people taking 305 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: another step further and they brag about it, you know, 306 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: they put it out there and either they get shamed 307 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: for it or a pet on the back. And I 308 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: think a lot of times on social media there's there's 309 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: times when this is happening and it's not even inherently bad, 310 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: like someone's not trying to shame you or like patrol you. 311 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: But like when when a young person or a newer hunter, 312 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: or anyone for that matter, shoots a six pointer and 313 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: someone says, oh, Hey, nice buck would have been a 314 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: beauty in a year or two. Like, that's a nice comment. 315 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: They're trying to be nice, they're not trying to shame them. 316 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: But to that person who maybe just took their biggest 317 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: or first year, it doesn't feel like a congratulations. It 318 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like a pat on the knock because it's 319 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: got that compared to a nice job. But I'm gonna 320 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: kick you in the ass on the way up, Like, well, 321 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: what's worse as the people you know themselves that say 322 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: not not the biggest, but so they're already doing themselves. 323 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: They're already going on defense before they even get it out. 324 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: And and it's like, well, if it was big enough 325 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: for you to shoot, then celebrate it and respect the 326 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: animal by the way to some degree, because now you're 327 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: doing that animal disservice, you're doing yourself a disservice. And 328 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: the folks that don't even share at all, it's like 329 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: because they don't even want to deal with it, it's 330 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: not even worth the anxiety that's going to come with that. 331 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: So there's always a keyboard cowboys somewhere, Eric. I mean, 332 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: they're like they're like protecting themselves, right, You're forecasting the 333 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: the the what's going to come down the hill from 334 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: the worst part is they're protecting themselves from other hunters, 335 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: people who are supposed to be one of the same community, right, 336 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: Like that's what they're protecting themselves from. What we're going 337 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: to forever have to deal with that. We're trying to 338 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: change it, We're trying, we're trying to help. So what 339 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: do you think that if we were to point the 340 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: finger at the source of this problem, this kind of 341 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: virus inside the community, Um, is this is this stemming 342 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: from like the media? Is this because the mainstream hunting 343 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: media has perpetrated or perpetuated an idea of what you're 344 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: supposed to do, and they make it look so easy 345 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: and they make it look like big bucks are everywhere? 346 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: And is it that? Is it like this uh pornogrification 347 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: of hunting or is it is it instead at the 348 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: social media aspect and just like like people like just 349 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: regular people being trolls and all that? Is it the 350 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: com is it the comparison thing and everyone trying to 351 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: be cooler on social media? Like, if you guys were 352 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: to try to trace this back to its source, do 353 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: you have a theory on that or is it really 354 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: a combination of all the above and something else too. Yeah, 355 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: I say yes out of the gate. But the I 356 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: think the the core issue is ego and human nature 357 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: what she talked about. I read a book human you know, 358 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: the Laws of Human Nature by Robert Green, and it's 359 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: very long book about human nature, but you can start 360 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: to see some common themes that root back to the 361 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: beginning of time. And I've also read the book Ego 362 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: as the Enemy about too many times. Yeah, and so 363 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: that is the main theme, that there's ego in hunting, 364 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: the ego and everything, but ego and hunting it in 365 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: itself is particularly particularly rampant among this type of you know, 366 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: people are really visceral about hunting. We have really strong 367 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: opinions because it's tied to our heritage and our family eyes, 368 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: and so different opinions clash really loudly in our in 369 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: our space. Um, I'll say, social media isn't it's just 370 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: magnified what's always been there. That's it's just bringing it's 371 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: just shining a light on something that's the human at 372 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: that's always been there. And to your point about the 373 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: hunting industry and these uh, you know, grip and grins 374 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: and the and the pros doing certain things on on TV. 375 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: You know, it's unfortunate that, you know, the platform that 376 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: they have and have had for some time, UM doesn't 377 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: allow for showing mistakes because the reach that it has. 378 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: And you know, if you're on cable television and someone 379 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: just happened to scroll through and stop and they see you, 380 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, uh, wounding an animal and making a joke 381 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: about it or something like that, that show is gonna 382 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: get shut down. So even though they're making those mistakes, 383 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: they're just not showing them at all. UM. So something 384 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: for us is is a little bit of contrast. Is again, 385 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: well that's our focal point. We're we're focusing on the 386 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: I dropped the thing down the tree stem at play plank. Oh, 387 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: I forgot my release, I tripped into this thing. I 388 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, all the common mistakes that even the best 389 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: hunters have made have made, which is something we call 390 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: okay as moments. Even if you're not like a complete 391 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: okais hunter byr like definition, you've still done some stuff 392 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: that you can laugh at. That piste you off in 393 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: the moment um years later, it's a great story to tell. UM. 394 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: So I think to your point, the answer is yes 395 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: to those things. I think ego is the is the 396 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: core of it, and then a lot of that has 397 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: just perpetuate out these other systemic problems. But we ought 398 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: not to be the head butting the neck off within 399 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: our own community. And i'll ddd I think you know, 400 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: for me, as I look at I think it can 401 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: be a lack of perspective from from people. Right, you've 402 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,479 Speaker 1: hunted in the same county, on the same farm or 403 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: the same piece of public and whether it's good or 404 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: whether it's bad. We don't understand that people are in 405 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: different circumstances, right. Um, you could have a hunter who's 406 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: in up in northern Wisconsin big woods, you know, low 407 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: population to deer hunting and or low population of deer numbers, 408 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: and you know they're what they define as success or 409 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: someone in a CWDS. It's gonna have different decisions to 410 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: make them exactly. You know, their definition of a shooter 411 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: buck is different than you know my definition of a 412 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: shooter bucket. I'm hunting in Buffalo County, Wisconsin. I'm curious 413 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: if if something I experienced recently is something you guys 414 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: have experienced that kind of led you to where you 415 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: are now with this um where I had fallen. I've 416 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: gone so deep down this wormhole we're talking about, where 417 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: I've been so obsessed with trying to achieve these goals 418 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: and looked at it like a mission that I had 419 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: to spare no expense and no like if I took 420 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: an ounce of time off, I felt bad because I 421 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: wasn't giving it everything I possibly could and if I 422 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: wasn't doing everything perfect, I was awful on all these things. 423 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: And I made, you know, this hunting thing into well, 424 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess I'm in a unique situation. I 425 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: was gonna say, I've made it into my job, but 426 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: it is my job, so maybe my maybe my story 427 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: doesn't really work, but um, but what I'm trying to 428 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: say is that I had gone so deep into putting 429 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: all this pressure on myself and and whether I wanted 430 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: to admit it or not, I was comparing myself to 431 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: other people or judging myself negatively because I wasn't like 432 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: other people. YadA, YadA, YadA YadA. All of that led 433 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: me to going on a lot of outings or trips 434 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: or having a lot of moments where I was not 435 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: having fun hunting anymore. I was losing the fun of 436 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: this thing, and that was what I think helped jolt 437 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: me out of this. Is is kind of realizing that 438 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: and realizing this's not it's not worth losing the fun 439 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: of this thing which that has been so transformational in 440 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: my life in a good way. Uh. Have anyone of 441 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: you guys had anything and you could have come to 442 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: in a different way it might have lost is fun 443 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: because of the negativity in the community or anything like that. 444 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: But have you guys have ever had a moment where 445 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: you started to worry about losing the fund? And is 446 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: that part of what jolted you into this, uh new 447 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: way looking things? Anyone's that resonate? I think that didn't 448 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: jolt us into this, that this helped us shed that skin. 449 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,239 Speaker 1: Okay as Tunner as a brand that we're working in 450 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: and building and so forth, and spending time on and 451 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: seeing and talking to folks helped us realize that, you know, uh, 452 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: Ryan Holiday again on the reference stillness is a key 453 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: talks about being present and being in the moment and 454 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: appreciating that. And I found myself like getting mad at 455 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: deer like by the end of like, which probably wasn't 456 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: terrible because I'm like really motivated to kill the thing, um, 457 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: you know. But but I was like, well this is wrong, 458 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm taking the joy out of it because 459 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: I wasn't getting the results that I wanted even after 460 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: the effort. It's like studying for a test, taking the 461 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: tests and still doing bad. It was like, but deer 462 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: hunting isn't a test. Maybe it is to some degree. 463 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: You can test yourself into certain scenaries and measure things, 464 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: but there's no guarantees. There's no like guaranteed outcome. You 465 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: can put it all the effort in the world. I mean, Derek, 466 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: you hunted your ass off last season. What do you get? Yeah? 467 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: Like right, so, but you know, and that's just how 468 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: it goes. But that's that's the joy of it is 469 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: the process. And again when you start to really enjoy 470 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: that process and all, like the preparation, it's like tailgating 471 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: for a baseball game. Half the fun isn't sitting in 472 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: the stands. I get a home run, don't go around. 473 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: That's a great part. But half the fun is like 474 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: getting ready, buying the Bronts, like cooking all with your friends, 475 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: playing bag toss, playing catch, you know, walking the stadium, 476 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: having some peanuts, getting some nachos, like all of that 477 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: stuff can be replaced with hunting terminology. And we're in 478 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: a very similar situation. And if it happened to strike, 479 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: go home run, if we happen to see a deer 480 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: and actually make a connection on it, that's just bonus. 481 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: It should always be bonus. So Mark and I can 482 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: relate to what you what you experienced, do it to 483 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: a degree, obviously not to your degree. You know, I 484 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: would say seen, I think I shot my first buck 485 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: with a bowie. Yeah, I think sixteen. And byen I 486 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: was like, you know, pressing so hard during the season, 487 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't fun anymore, and it it sucked. You know. 488 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: I got the end of the season, I was burned 489 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: out and didn't have a deer to show up for it, 490 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: and I was miserable. I was glad that the season 491 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: was over instead of missing it. It's hard, it is, 492 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: it's so hard in the family, and you know, and 493 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: that's when like the next year, the next summer, as 494 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: when you know, I met Eric and we started talking 495 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: about this and it was like, this is this is 496 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: what I need personally as a hunter so that I 497 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: can go out be okay with making mistakes, be okay 498 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: with not shooting the biggest buck, be okay with maybe 499 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: not feeling my take, which is probably worth more of 500 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: the norm than anything else. Um. And you know that 501 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: that opened up, as Eric said, it shed it, shed 502 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: the skin and made it okay for me personally. Um, 503 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: and I enjoyed hunting much more since we've started this. 504 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: We all get served a piece of humble pie with 505 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: a side of tag soup every year. So and Mark, 506 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: I know you said, you're kind of in the process of, 507 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: you know, like this realization of trying to make hunting 508 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: back like fun and the way you you know, remembered it. 509 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: And this is kind of what happened to me. I 510 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: take white tailed deer hunting more seriously that I absolutely should, 511 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: and anyone knows me, like that's all I really think about. 512 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: And do I give Gregg is an outman like hes ducks, 513 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: like he loves all this stuff. I do that because 514 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to like occupy a little tiny bit in 515 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: my life away from deer, because I'm always thinking about it. 516 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: I drag a boat on the boat every once in 517 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: a while. We tried to go chase salmon and Charlton Lake, Michigan. 518 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: So about five years ago I started I started hunting 519 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: and realizing that I was like feeling the pressure to 520 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: kill one, not for myself, but just because like I 521 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: felt pressure to produce because people think of me as 522 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: like a deer hunting guy, So like, holy crap, what 523 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: the hell am I doing? Like I'm trying to kill 524 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: this deer, like so I can get a kill, like 525 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: because that's what I'm supposed to do. And what helped 526 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: me kind of get past because it really was bad 527 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: feeling like it was terrible realization. But I had a 528 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: good buddy who was a fishing friend, and he asked 529 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: to me, He's like, dude, can I start bo hunting 530 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: with you? And I was like that would be awesome. 531 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: So the process of like taking him through and kind 532 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: of teaching them and letting him have like all those 533 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,239 Speaker 1: okayst moments totally like reinvigorated why I do it and 534 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: like what I enjoy about it. And now Adam is 535 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: probably crazier than I ever was about it. But like 536 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: just kind of stepping back and taking my own like 537 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: you know, pressure and drive out of it hoping someone 538 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: gets started just totally changed the way I looked at 539 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: something I've been doing my whole life. Yeah, that's a 540 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: great that's a great point. And that's that's something I've 541 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: I've experienced to the last few years, just how how 542 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: much fun it is to to not only help other 543 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: people and teach with other people, but just experience it 544 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: with other people. Again, I mean, I think for a 545 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: lot of us, and I might be speaking just in 546 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: my own case, but I think for a lot of people, 547 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: we come into hunting in some kind of community fashion. Right. 548 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: There's deer camp, so there's family, friends, or there's a 549 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: body that takes you out whatever, and so a lot 550 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: of people's hunting journeys start with that kind of camaraderie. 551 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: And that's a big part of why we love it. 552 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: That's a big part of why I loved it was 553 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: going up to my family deer camp and being up 554 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: there with my dad and grandpa and uncles and the guys, 555 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: and I mean, that was so great. But for me 556 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: at least, and I think this is a relatively common 557 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: trend for some people. The deeper you get into it, 558 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: the more hardcore you get. Once once I got to 559 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: like this terminator mode I was in, it was like, well, 560 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 1: I can't afford to go to the deer camp because 561 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: the deer hunting is there isn't that good anymore. So 562 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: I need to be on a solo mission to Iowa 563 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: to hunt seven days straight. And even though my other 564 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: friends are gonna stop midday to eat lunch uh and 565 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: get together for breakfast or whatever and bs, I need 566 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: to be out there every hour of the day. So 567 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to spend all my time in the tree YadA, YadA, YadA. 568 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, I went from what 569 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: used to be a community camaraderie kind of thing to 570 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now I'm like a solo assassin 571 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't have time for anybody else, and I lost that. 572 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: Um So, just trying to reclaim like the community fun 573 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: part of it is some thing that I realized is 574 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: such a huge thing too. Yeah. It's like, you know, 575 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: doar things like trying to solve a puzzle, endless puzzle, 576 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: and the more pieces you find that the more fun 577 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: it becomes, the harder it seems to get. It's like 578 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: perfecting a golf swing. You know, you could probably leve 579 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: in a golf course and I've never done it before. 580 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: And I could. I learned pretty quick how to get 581 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: a ball down the what's it called, don't off the 582 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: green and down the fairway. But you know, at some 583 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: point you get you get so good that you know 584 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: eventually the you get in the red zone, right like, 585 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: it gets harder to move the ball across the next 586 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: goal post because there's it's compressed. Um, it's really hard. 587 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: And one of the things that I think I wrote 588 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: about on our our website and maybe the swing put 589 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: in your show notes or something, but we have an 590 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: article called okay as hunter becoming okay or maybe this 591 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: is a little bit of you, but we mentioned uh 592 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: an MM and m M a champion, you know Frank 593 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: Shamrock that talked about a system that he used to 594 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: train as fighters called plus minus equals and what oh 595 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: Amanta was like, have so when that's better than you 596 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: that you can look up to as a as a mentor, 597 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: like that person can mentor you have someone that's not 598 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: as good as you that you can teach because by 599 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: teaching someone to do something, you are and stilling something 600 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: in your mind in a way that like is really 601 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: walking in that information. And have someone that's equal to 602 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: you that you can spar with. And obviously in the 603 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: context of fighting, you can imagine if you always gotten 604 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: rang with someone better and you get your as kicked 605 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: all the time, you have no confidence. If you only 606 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: fought with someone that's not as good as you, you'd 607 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: have too much, you'd probably cocky, you'd beat the crap 608 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: out of some of all the time. And having that 609 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: person that's equal to you to spar with, like, really 610 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: is that building that sparring, that sharpening of you know, 611 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: steal versus steel. And in deer hunting, I'm sure we 612 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: all have someone that we could look up to that like, wow, 613 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: while they're really doing their their style matches my style, 614 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: their their terrain and where they're at is kind of 615 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: where I'm at this look similar. I can learn from 616 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: that person. I think we as hunters all have something 617 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: we can teach someone else. Even if you just hunted 618 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: for a single day in your life, you probably learned 619 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: something with your unique perspective on the world that you 620 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: could teach someone else. Um And obviously having someone that 621 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: you can spar with, I greg you and I are 622 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: you know for I don't know. I think you're better 623 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: than me, but I think we're equal in some ways, 624 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, um, one hand washes the other man. I mean, 625 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: not everybody is gonna be always even evenly matched, yes, 626 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: but be humble. And wherever you know, you and I 627 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: go hunting, I try to help you out in any 628 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: way I can, and you'll look at whatever I'm doing 629 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: and go, hey, maybe you should do it this way 630 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: and just take it as constructive criticism and work together. 631 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Mark that you know, getting to 632 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: be okay is definitely okay. And Derek's plain about teaching 633 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: someone else read invigorating him. That's a that's a very 634 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: tactical way to say. Let's see if this jostles at Louis, 635 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: Let's see if this kind of brings me back to 636 00:31:46,720 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: my roots. What do you guys think of What do 637 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: you think the scale of this, of this feeling? Like 638 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: if we if we were described this feeling or this 639 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: set of concerns or whatever, this this thing that you 640 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: guys have, this theme you've kind of developed your group 641 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: around and that I'm tapping into here as we discussed this, 642 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: what's the scale of that across our community? I mean, 643 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: I think there's one side of me that says, gosh, 644 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: there's gotta be a lot of this. And there's another 645 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: part where, you know, I remember I don't know, ten 646 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: years ago or something when I was just getting really, 647 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: really really into it, and I remember scrolling through Facebook 648 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: or Instagram during the hunting season, and it seemed like 649 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: every single person on the internet was an expert deer hunter, 650 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: and everybody was killing the biggest buck of their dreams, 651 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: and everyone was so good and I was the only 652 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: person that could possibly be struggling. I think sometimes for 653 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: people who can field that way when they look online, Um, 654 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: do you think there's a lot of people that feel 655 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: this way? Or there are a lot of people that 656 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: are crushing it that like going super hardcore and aren't 657 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: can earned about it this kind of stuff and just 658 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: want to keep on killing big bucks. And yeah, it 659 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: could be some guy that does concrete for living and 660 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: he's often winners, so he's got all the time in 661 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: the world, and maybe it's a you know, some people 662 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 1: have built the life that they want to live, and 663 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: if and if you've been fortunate to do that time 664 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: in the wood to something that not all of us 665 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: can afford. Um, I think the okayest hunters of the 666 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: of the hunting community outnumbered the experts by and large. Yeah, 667 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: that's true. With everything you want to do a math problem, 668 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: I'll still two thirds of them, two thirds of us 669 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: hunters are probably okay, and the the other third are 670 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, upper echelon hunters. They because they have the time, 671 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: or they have the property or all. How many people 672 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: watch football versus playing the NFL. You know, there there's 673 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people that play in the NFL, but boy, 674 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: oh boy, there's way more fans that you know, just 675 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: love the love being in it. One thing, one thing 676 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: I've noticed, and I always take this as a pretty 677 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: good gauge, um, just my experience. I'm always parking in 678 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: public parking lots and hunt in public land all the time. 679 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: That's all I on. And the camaraderie and the parking lot. 680 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: Like you talk about camaraderie with your family, the hunting community, 681 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: but like the people who share the land with you 682 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: are your community too. And when I was younger, man, 683 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: I remember opening days in Wisconsin. Somebody would be pulling 684 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: out a buck and guys would be kicking dirt, smashing rocks. 685 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: Can't believe that guy got oh, just pissed that this. 686 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: You know, somebody else got their deer. And what I've 687 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: noticed in the last five years and credit I would yeah, 688 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: their dear right, they had it on camera over the 689 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: corn pile at midnight. That was his buck. And UM. 690 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: I remember being younger and just going, what the hell 691 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: is wrong with these people? Like why can't they be 692 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: happy the dear dead, like be just say good job 693 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: and like move on, try to go find a new 694 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: your deer. The last five or six years, I have 695 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: talked to more people in parking lots that were friendly 696 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: than I ever had before. And I would credit a 697 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: lot of that what the hunting public guys are doing, 698 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: because they they put out when they talk to people, 699 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: they don't skip that part of their video. They put 700 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: it in there, and I think that's helping build the 701 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: community and a lot of more people are open to 702 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: other hunters and building camaraderie with the people they're sharing 703 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: land with. That's a very good thing, Yeah, I think. Um, like, uh, 704 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: there are over eight hundred thousand uh your hunting licenses 705 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: sold last year in the state of Wisconsin between gun 706 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: bow crossbow. UM. I would guess the majority or those 707 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: are okayst hunters and the small minority, you know, percent 708 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: are expert hunters. If you compare that to the numbers harvested, 709 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna probably find that out. And there's there's people 710 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: hunting for content to like literally people that go out 711 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: with camera crews and they hunt for content. And I 712 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 1: don't think that's inherently bad necessarily, Like if it gets 713 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: someone into Hunt England, they stick with it. Great. Um, 714 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: that's probably not too many. But you know, some of 715 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: those people are like literally changing shirts and making separate pictures, 716 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: are getting third people in and changing the scenery. Like 717 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: that's a whole different issue. But like to your point 718 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: about what we're seeing on social media, that's no different 719 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: than the you know, fake millionaires that go rented a 720 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: car Lamborghini and hold a couple of bills in front 721 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: and say you want to get rich, Like you know, 722 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: that's similar, like you want to kill big deer. You know. Um, 723 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: it's uh, there's there's always going to be that kind 724 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: of stuff going on, So just be careful of what 725 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: you're looking at on the internet or know that like, hey, 726 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: maybe that person hunts full time hunting public. That's that's 727 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: their gig there in the woods more than most people. 728 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: You know, they can afford it. That's what they do. 729 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: So here's a question, a little devil's advocate kind of question. 730 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: I suppose, Um, I've always looked at hunting as and 731 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: again this certain people would this would resonate with some 732 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: people wouldn't. But for me, I have always had a 733 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: theory that human beings, most human beings, needs something to 734 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: push them. They need a challenge, they need a goal, 735 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: they need something to be working towards. And inherently we 736 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: enjoy ourselves more when we are growing as human beings, 737 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: when we're pushing past an obstacle, when we are being 738 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: challenged to learn new things, to try new things, to 739 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: struggle and to get through it. And so I have 740 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: looked at hunting as being like a really really good 741 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: avenue for that kind of personal growth. Like that for 742 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: me has been like the iron that has sharpened iron. 743 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: For me, I thought, man, hunting is this activity that 744 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: I can do that is not just fun, but it's 745 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: actually making me a better, more fulfilled person because I 746 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: have this thing I have to work hard at and 747 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: I have to constantly get better at it, and I 748 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: have to push through these things. And so I've looked 749 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: at it like a personal growth tool as well that 750 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 1: it's served that function at least. And and as I 751 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 1: I've just been like kind of going through this evolution myself, 752 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: I've had like some self talk. I'm thinking through all this, 753 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, Okay, does this mean that I relax 754 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: my goals? Does this mean I settle? Does this mean 755 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm not striving for whatever it was in the past? 756 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: And is that okay? Am I just am I getting lazy? 757 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 1: Is this like a fancy way of just being lazier? 758 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: Or is this just an excuse? Am I making excuses 759 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: for myself for not doing as good as I could 760 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: it have, or for not trying as hard as I 761 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: could have, or for you know what I'm saying, like 762 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: these are these are like some questions in the back 763 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: of my mind that I'm just exploring with myself. And 764 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm curious, what do you say to that If someone 765 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: out there is listening and they're saying, like, Okay, yeah, 766 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: a lot of these things resonate with me. But at 767 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: the same time, man, I also hear other people who 768 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: are reminding me that, man, if you want to achieve 769 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: something special or that means something to you, you have 770 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: to work hard. You have to be willing to push 771 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: through the tough times. Um, And maybe these things do 772 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: matter to people. So I'm curious, you know, across that 773 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 1: large sweeping set of ideas, does any of that make sense? 774 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: Do you guys have thoughts on that? And where you 775 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: know where the okay hunter might be able to land 776 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 1: in this mix? Yeah? I think so. A mentor of mind, Uh, 777 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: he did didn't exercise with me. He drew four circles 778 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: on a piece of paper, and each circle represented a 779 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: thing I was working on right, different objectives and projects 780 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: that had going on my life. And he said, you know, 781 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: you can move these four balls or circles down the field, right. Uh, 782 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, you kick this one and kick that on and 783 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: and kick this one. Can You'll get there? You can, 784 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: It can happen. You can certainly do it. But you 785 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: could focus on one or two of them, and you 786 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: could do it a lot faster. And once you get 787 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: one of those all the way down the field to 788 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: the goal post, which you're trying to do, maybe it's 789 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: shoot you. Maybe that's one of those goals. Um. But 790 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: these other competing things that are also important in my 791 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: life matter also, So focus on prioritizing whatever one is 792 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: the most important at this stage in life that you 793 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: have the most resources and capabilities to do and accomplish, 794 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: then who's to say you can't. Life is long in 795 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: five years, ten years, fifteen years, go back and do 796 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: that other ball, that other thing. So for me right 797 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: now and I consider family, well, that is the most 798 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: important thing. My kids are gonna be young once and 799 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to be the dad that couldn't go 800 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: to this or couldn't go to that because what I 801 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,399 Speaker 1: had to go chase that deer, Like I'm not gonna 802 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: have that conversation with them when they're older, when they're 803 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: not going to know their dad. So I'm gonna be 804 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: a dad first and foremost. And guess what, when they're older, 805 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: they can come with me when they're in college and 806 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: off living their own lives. Like I am now that 807 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: all the time in the world to go do that 808 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: other goal and kill that big deer, you know. So 809 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,399 Speaker 1: it's just it's a matter of perspective, priorities and how 810 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: you prioritize them. And it's not to say that I 811 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: can't work as hard as I possibly can at something. Um. 812 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: I agree with the sentiment that you know, we like 813 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: to be pushed and that brings out the best in us. 814 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: But it depends on what that thing is. And it 815 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you can't do it later. You can 816 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: always get to it later. And maybe by doing the 817 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: first thing, um, you have more time, energy and resources. 818 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: If I'm folks on building a business, maybe I'm building 819 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: a life that I want, and I'll be able to 820 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: fund um a hunt in other states and go chase 821 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: bigger deer than I've ever could have done if I 822 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: just kept trying to do it now. And but the 823 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: other stuff die in the mine. So that that's a 824 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: unique perspective that I like to offer. And I'll add 825 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: I just think I think it's you know, you gotta 826 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: do what makes you happy, right, So if you're burning 827 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: out chasing deer and it's gonna make you happy to 828 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: quote unquote settle forty deer, then do what do what 829 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: makes you happy? You know? For me, you know, I'm 830 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: thinking about um, well, this last this past season, Um, 831 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 1: my daughter was born November, so I got to bow 832 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: hunt a total of maybe five days and I did 833 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: not go out uh at all during gun season. And 834 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: so like just perspective, right, I wasn't gonna yeah, I 835 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: wasn't going to sacrifice any of that time, and so 836 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: I knew if any deer walked by with that had antlers, 837 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: I was probably going to draw back on it. And 838 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: I knew that didn't any of this one. Yes, let's 839 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: not talk about talk. Yeah, I think we running out 840 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: of time. I like that, So you know this next year. 841 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: I don't know this coming season on how much time 842 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: I want to have, but Derek's point, in five years, 843 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: I might have more time where I can I can 844 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: push myself a little bit more. You know, before I 845 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: had kids, I've spent a ton of time in the 846 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: ton of time in the stand right unsuccessfully most of 847 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,800 Speaker 1: the time. But I spent a ton of time in 848 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: the stand and tried to push my health. But right 849 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: now I know I can't do that, and it's gonna 850 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: make me happy to spend time with my girls than 851 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: it is for me to sit there and grind in 852 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: entry stand. Yeah, Greg, did you have a thought there? Well, 853 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean I could just share my experience from last year. 854 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,879 Speaker 1: I mean we know what I was chasing. Yeah, Yeah, 855 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: I had an opportunity that just didn't quite pan out. 856 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: It was public, so there was other guys I'm fairly confident, 857 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,919 Speaker 1: were very certain that they knew that deer was in there, 858 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: and that area was getting more and more pressure by 859 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: the week as the season progressed, and I got to 860 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: the point where every time I turned around, I was 861 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: finding another cell cam, another scent drag, another bag, another 862 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: plastic bag land there from whatever snack they were eating. 863 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: And you know, no matter what I did, like, the 864 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 1: sign was getting less and less going through certain areas, 865 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: and then I did have to settle. I decided it 866 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: was just time to leave that area and go somewhere else, 867 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: to another area that I felt confident in, and I 868 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: took a buck there instead. Was it the monster that 869 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: I was after? No, but I made a hell of 870 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: a memory going in there, stand on my back, do 871 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 1: what I do what I do, and followed the sign 872 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: in hung and killed that right away. It went well, 873 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: so it was okay to be okay. Then, Yeah, it 874 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: was a lot of fun driving to Pennsylvania to hunt. 875 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: And I got a text from Greg and it was 876 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: a picture of it. Here was like, holy crap, he 877 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: did it? You know, I subject we get so used 878 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: to like I get to talk to these guys every 879 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: week about hunting, and stuff we love and usually you're 880 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 1: you know your bodies, they're kind of like minded like 881 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: you are. So like most of my friends I talked 882 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,879 Speaker 1: about hunting are very driven to get a big buck um. 883 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: But talking with one of my co workers, who yeah, 884 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 1: I'm a hunter, you know, and oh got another hunter. 885 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 1: I can talk to him. We have cafeteria dude together, 886 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 1: so I get to spend some time with him, and 887 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: he's explained to me, you know, the hunting. You know, 888 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: he goes out for Wisconsin gun season. Awesome, I'm like, 889 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: you soaking it in, Like what do you do? What 890 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: do you hunt? You know? He finds a spot to 891 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: sit on the ground, he's I'm going to the library 892 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: this week. I check out a couple of my favorite books. 893 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: I just sit out there and read, Oh do you 894 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: get a deer? Sometimes I like but like that's what enjoyed. 895 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: But that's that's that's a tradition. That's okay, that's okay. 896 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: Like some guys have huge goals. I know all of 897 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: us we have goals every season and what we'd like 898 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: to do. Some people their goals just to get out 899 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: and enjoy nature. Because that's not what he does. That's 900 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: like the whole perspective thing, like you don't know what 901 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: his situation is, he has no money, he doesn't understand 902 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: how I think about your hunting is not let me 903 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: pick out a good bookstand because I just don't do that. 904 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea, I like for something else. 905 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: But that was like really eye opening, Like talking to him, 906 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 1: it's like holy, not no, not at all. I think 907 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: everybody stores I think I think I think it was 908 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: Tyler who said it first. Whoever was hard to keep 909 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: tracking you guys over there, But but someone just brought 910 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: up the fact that you know, it might be settling 911 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: for one person, but if it's fun, it's fun. And 912 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: I think that is is becoming like my my, like 913 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: north Star is aiming towards what's fun and trying to 914 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: avoid what's not. And if if a goal is no 915 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: longer a fun goal to chase them, what's the point of, 916 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, sharpening your acts to chase something that's that's 917 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: actually not fulfilling for you at all. But I mean, 918 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,360 Speaker 1: I think this is this is something that I'm just 919 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: seeing more and more. I think that this is I 920 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: think this is a growing trend in our community because 921 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, While everyone talks about how hunter numbers are 922 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 1: down relatively have been, have been going down over the 923 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: last fifteen years, whatever it is. People talk a lot 924 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: about how we're losing hunters. That's true, but I think 925 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: that the number of people that are taking it really, 926 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: really seriously is growing pretty substantially. So the number of 927 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: people who you know, like you, Derek or me, who 928 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: who who like your life revolves around White Hails and 929 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: you everything goes into it and you don't go to 930 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: the library to grab a book to sit in the 931 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: ground on no opening day. Right, there's a whole lot 932 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: more people that are spending lots of money to get 933 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: their saddles and their sticks dialed in, and they've got 934 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 1: everything taped up, and they know every little patch and 935 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,320 Speaker 1: corner of public land where there could be a big bucket. 936 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 1: They've got their cell cameras all over the place. Like 937 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: the number of people that go that far with it, 938 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: that group as is growing. But I do think that 939 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: that group where there's a lot of growing interest and excitement, 940 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: there's also this growing pressure and stress that people are 941 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: putting on themselves because they think, if I've invested this 942 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 1: much time, if I've invested this much energy. If I 943 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: am a part of this community that values this thing, 944 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: I have to be getting this thing. And I can 945 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: tell you just like within my own little personal circle 946 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,799 Speaker 1: of like good hunting buddies. I have so many good 947 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,839 Speaker 1: hunting buddies who we all claim to love this thing. 948 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: We all you know, we're group because we love this thing. 949 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 1: There's so many times during the hunting season where people 950 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: are complaining about I hate this, Why am I doing this? 951 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,759 Speaker 1: I should ut golfing? Uh, you know I'm gonna take 952 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: up ice fish in a month and a half early now, um, 953 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 1: Because everyone's just driving themselves crazy worrying about you know, 954 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,320 Speaker 1: doing something wrong or messing up the hunt, or somebody 955 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: else screwing up their hunt, or how come everyone else 956 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 1: is getting it. There's just so many stories and examples 957 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,240 Speaker 1: and people I can think of and myself, including certain 958 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: examples where we're just we're sucking the fun out of 959 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: it by virtue of pressure, too much goals, too much stress, 960 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 1: too much whatever. Comparison, there's all these different like vultures 961 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 1: sitting on the power line looking down at our carcass 962 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: on the ground, just waiting to come in and take 963 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: a bite. Um, and I guess my question then, is 964 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,360 Speaker 1: if the solution is to if the solution is to 965 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,399 Speaker 1: embracing an okay hunter mindset, whether you're a really good 966 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: hunter or you're not. Just I think there's an idea 967 00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 1: here of like an okay hunter mindset. What's the key 968 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 1: to doing that? Like, what's the key? What's how can 969 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: I become a successful quote unquote okayst hunter? That being 970 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: someone who's you know, embracing the idea of having fun, 971 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: embracing the mistakes, embracing the balance, embracing the good and 972 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: the bad, all that kind of stuff. What have you 973 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,880 Speaker 1: guys found, both with yourselves personally and maybe hearing from 974 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,799 Speaker 1: other people in your community with kind of chasing this 975 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 1: new goal of how we approach hunting? How do we 976 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: do that better? Uh? You know to two things come 977 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,760 Speaker 1: to mind, and it is cheesy as it's gonna sound. 978 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 1: There's two hashtags that we use. One of them is 979 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: my tag my hunt, and at that rate, it's I 980 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: bought the tag with my money. It's literally my hunt, 981 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna do what I want with it, and 982 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: therefore I should think the same towards others. It's their 983 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 1: tag and it's their hunt, and if we stop focusing 984 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 1: on what other people are doing with their tag, we 985 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: can then focus on what we're doing with ours to 986 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,320 Speaker 1: make ourselves feel more fulfilled. And if that spreads enough 987 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: and people focus inward rather than outward, and that like, 988 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: if that were to scale, that was like something that 989 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: could actually scale more people would stop ridiculing others and 990 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: there'll be less fear of being ridiculed, and it would 991 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: alleviate some of that pressure. Would be a bit of 992 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,319 Speaker 1: a relief valve. Um two then you know it kind 993 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 1: of I don't fix some of that issue, I suppose. 994 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,839 Speaker 1: And the other one has never never passed And that's 995 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,320 Speaker 1: a stark contrast to two people saying let it walk. 996 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: But what we're really trying to say is never passed 997 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: on doing what makes you happy, or never passed on 998 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: making a memory, or never pass on a chance of 999 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,479 Speaker 1: fili your freezer. You know. Again, tying this into your 1000 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,399 Speaker 1: hunt and focusing inward UM can really help a lot. 1001 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,400 Speaker 1: And and I think Tyler, you made one of the 1002 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 1: you know, like posts of stop caring what you know 1003 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 1: about people you don't know, judge your hunt or I 1004 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: don't know how you worded it, but um you know, 1005 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,919 Speaker 1: why do we care about people we don't know judging 1006 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,800 Speaker 1: our hunts, Like it just doesn't matter. Why why should 1007 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 1: that matter? And I think to that point, they're not 1008 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 1: judging your hunt, the my tag, my hunt, like when 1009 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: you see a picture on Facebook, your d um the kill, 1010 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,919 Speaker 1: the outcome, and one hunters always say, it's not about 1011 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: the outcome, it's about the hunt. People don't know what 1012 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: your hunt was, they don't know your story was, they 1013 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 1: don't know what that dear did. They've got you so 1014 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 1: excited right there, just judging the kill might take my hunt, 1015 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 1: like you don't know someone else's hunt. Don't judge it, 1016 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: don't judge it based on the kill. Yeah, I'll I'll 1017 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,240 Speaker 1: jump in Dondico greg S, you know, talk about relieving 1018 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: the pressure. I think, you know, we use humor a 1019 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,640 Speaker 1: lot in our messaging because laughter, laughter is a good 1020 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: care for some of the frustrations that happened during hunting season. Yeah, 1021 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: we try to be really really relatable because this stuff 1022 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: happens to everything you see on our social it's like 1023 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 1: something that has happened to us. It's very relable. And 1024 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 1: we started to realize like, well, gosh, we're not the 1025 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 1: only one to dealing with this stuff, so that relatability 1026 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: is really carried on. But Greg, Nathan get a couple 1027 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 1: of points here, Yeah, I know. I got one other 1028 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,560 Speaker 1: point and another hashtag to add to the call it 1029 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,920 Speaker 1: number three hashtag is shoot deer. If you haven't had 1030 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: a whole lot of experience shooting deer, you haven't had 1031 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: a whole lot of experience tracking deer. You want to 1032 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 1: get good at that, you need to shoot deer. I 1033 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,160 Speaker 1: mean I went on a long dry spell of not 1034 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 1: killing anything with my bowl, and all of a sudden, 1035 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,279 Speaker 1: as a service technician out in the field, I had 1036 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 1: one customer that had a doll problem. There was a 1037 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:19,280 Speaker 1: suburban area, and that really helped me, hone my shooting skills. 1038 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,399 Speaker 1: How how to how to shoot deer, you know, how 1039 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,520 Speaker 1: to wait for them to move a certain way and 1040 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 1: when I can draw, and how high I should set 1041 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: my tree stand in certain situations. And you know, there's 1042 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,520 Speaker 1: a lot of learning that went on there. And I 1043 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 1: went on a really awesome, you know, tirade of just 1044 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:44,400 Speaker 1: knocking deer down. So take that advantage, you know, or 1045 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,399 Speaker 1: take advantage of that and shoot him when you can. 1046 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,960 Speaker 1: If you have a dough tag, Why are you not 1047 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,440 Speaker 1: using it? Yeah, I think there's a lot of people 1048 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,880 Speaker 1: who I was gonna say, I think there's a lot 1049 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 1: of people who because of what's portrayed on the media 1050 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,360 Speaker 1: or seen on social media, it's it's easy to think 1051 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,480 Speaker 1: like that. It's you know, even when you're just starting, 1052 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,239 Speaker 1: you have to be holding out for a big buck 1053 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,880 Speaker 1: or whatever. And because of that, like you just said, Greg, Uh, 1054 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: you pass up on so many opportunities to learn, so 1055 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: many opportunities to get better because you think you have 1056 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 1: to hold out. I mean I had this exact problem. 1057 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: First off, as a kid growing up, I thought I 1058 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,640 Speaker 1: had to shoot a buck for my first year. So 1059 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: I passed up on a thousand does as a kid, uh, 1060 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,560 Speaker 1: and never shot anything until I was like eighteen or 1061 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,759 Speaker 1: nineteen because I wanted that first year to be a buck. 1062 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 1: That was my first problem. And then I killed that 1063 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 1: first buck, second buck, and I think after killing my 1064 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 1: third buck. Ever, at that point, I had consumed enough 1065 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,880 Speaker 1: hunting media and seen enough stuff out there that I thought, Okay, 1066 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,080 Speaker 1: I can't shoot year and a half old bucks anymore. 1067 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 1: I can only shoot three year older bucks. I have 1068 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,839 Speaker 1: to shoot big bucks now. So I only killed three deer, 1069 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: and now I'm trying to shoot him a relatively mature buck, 1070 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,560 Speaker 1: and and thinking that that was what I had to do, 1071 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,440 Speaker 1: and I probably had a whole lot more learning I 1072 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,319 Speaker 1: could have done. I had a whole lot of could 1073 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: have grown from and enjoyed, had a whole lot of 1074 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,280 Speaker 1: fun if I had, you know, enjoyed those introductory years 1075 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,719 Speaker 1: more versus immediately trying to jump to somewhat you know, 1076 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,440 Speaker 1: expert level status because I thought that's what you had 1077 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,719 Speaker 1: to do. I think I don't think I'm alone in them. 1078 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,279 Speaker 1: Managing expectations a big thing that I think a lot 1079 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,000 Speaker 1: of tough with all the you know, YouTube and in 1080 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,120 Speaker 1: the hunting videos, one thing I always think about. And 1081 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,880 Speaker 1: Greg knows he's going to know the guy when I 1082 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 1: mentioned it. But he and I went down to public 1083 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 1: in Illinois and we're doing some hunting and we ran 1084 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,320 Speaker 1: into a guy just outside of one of the parking lots. 1085 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,360 Speaker 1: We got out, we started scouting. There's another car in 1086 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: the parking lot, but it was midday, so we were 1087 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 1: pretty sure maybe this guy was walking around. We only 1088 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,960 Speaker 1: made it if that from the truck and we ran 1089 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,799 Speaker 1: into the guy. I thought, good, we can talk to him, 1090 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,399 Speaker 1: see if he's going in or out so we don't 1091 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,960 Speaker 1: mess him up. So we go over and he was 1092 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,279 Speaker 1: a first deer hunter, just started. And the guy had 1093 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,359 Speaker 1: the crispy boots, brand new, first set up, brand new 1094 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,239 Speaker 1: Matthews V three. Like, this guy has done some serious 1095 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,879 Speaker 1: research and watched all the right things. Like I think 1096 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,520 Speaker 1: about him all the time, and I'm like, I wonder 1097 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 1: how that season went for invested this much and like put, 1098 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure this guy he had to have three grand 1099 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,040 Speaker 1: wordth of equipment just on him, right, And he's like, 1100 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,359 Speaker 1: I never hunted before, And I was like, I hope 1101 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,959 Speaker 1: he finds some sort of fun or happiness and the hunt, 1102 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,360 Speaker 1: because boy, that would be a really crappy way to 1103 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 1: realize you don't like hunting after doing right after buying 1104 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,919 Speaker 1: what he thought, you know. So true, And I don't 1105 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,800 Speaker 1: think that guy's alone in that. I think there's probably 1106 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people that have taken that same path, 1107 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 1: and it's just great to see that excitement. But but 1108 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 1: there's there's a whole lot more to it than having 1109 00:54:46,520 --> 00:55:02,440 Speaker 1: just the right gear, that's for sure. So what about 1110 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,879 Speaker 1: let's lean into a little bit more about Like if 1111 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,920 Speaker 1: I were to if we were to generalize a lot 1112 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: of what I feel like you guys are talking about here, 1113 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,800 Speaker 1: it's it's like focusing on the fun, removing the stress 1114 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,560 Speaker 1: or finding that pressure release valve or whatever, because those 1115 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,799 Speaker 1: might be like the two conflicting um energies that are 1116 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,720 Speaker 1: kind of streaming through hunting as like personally your personal 1117 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,799 Speaker 1: hunting journey and then like the community. Right, there's like 1118 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,279 Speaker 1: the fun side and then there's like this pressure or 1119 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,600 Speaker 1: stress that goes along with it, and we can kind 1120 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: of go leaning more into the stress side, or we 1121 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,440 Speaker 1: can lean more into the fun side. I'm curious if 1122 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,600 Speaker 1: you guys have any other like tactical advice for how 1123 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,160 Speaker 1: to do this, Like an example being, one thing that 1124 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,360 Speaker 1: I've always thought that would make me a lot happier 1125 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,280 Speaker 1: during hunting season would be to remove Facebook and Instagram 1126 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,799 Speaker 1: from my phone and everything during hunting season so that 1127 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: I would never know what anybody else was doing. I 1128 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,879 Speaker 1: would never have anything to compare against. I would never 1129 00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,880 Speaker 1: have any reason to feel like I'm not doing that 1130 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,400 Speaker 1: great because I would never see any of the other stuff, 1131 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,640 Speaker 1: and I would never worry about having to post a 1132 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,360 Speaker 1: picture and someone dogging me about whatever, like that's like 1133 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 1: a tactical thing somebody could do that might just be 1134 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,319 Speaker 1: a pressure release valve to kind of remove yourself from 1135 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,920 Speaker 1: that negativity. I can't do that, but um, I'm curious 1136 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,120 Speaker 1: if there's any things that you guys do or have 1137 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,320 Speaker 1: thought about that have helped you kind of lean into 1138 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,440 Speaker 1: the fund side of being an Okay hunter or release 1139 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,640 Speaker 1: whatever pressure or stress there might have been in the 1140 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: past for you guys, or maybe it's something totally different. Honestly, 1141 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,560 Speaker 1: it's our our community. For me, it's it's knowing that. 1142 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,840 Speaker 1: Um here's here's a terrible example, which is I'm notorious 1143 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,480 Speaker 1: for doing it, so I apologize for for doing this, 1144 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,840 Speaker 1: but we listen to this. So we're going tomorrow morning 1145 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,840 Speaker 1: at five o'clock. We're leaving with my three kids, my 1146 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,400 Speaker 1: my kid's grandparents, and it's going to be a fun 1147 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:55,480 Speaker 1: trip on a Disney cruise And what is great about that? Yeah? 1148 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,239 Speaker 1: But hear me out. So we went to this a 1149 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,319 Speaker 1: couple of years back when we just had just our 1150 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,160 Speaker 1: daughter and my wife was pregnant with our son. So 1151 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,360 Speaker 1: now we're like, you know, outnumbered, we're playing you know, 1152 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,200 Speaker 1: his own cover, Tom Man a man. But the point 1153 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,439 Speaker 1: is going on that trip versus something like a Royal 1154 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,239 Speaker 1: Caribbean or whatever. We're gonna be around other parents that 1155 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,480 Speaker 1: are going to be we don't just say suffering. Also, 1156 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 1: there's gonna be other screaming kids. There's gonna be things 1157 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 1: built into this experience, like changing stations at every turn. 1158 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,560 Speaker 1: There's gonna be ways for moms to do like what 1159 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,720 Speaker 1: they do with pumping and stuff with their bodies. And 1160 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 1: there's gonna be someone's going to hand a kid and 1161 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,320 Speaker 1: ice cream cone when they're screaming and having a total mountdown. 1162 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,240 Speaker 1: So when you're doing something that's surrounded by a way 1163 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,840 Speaker 1: that can accommodate the lifestyle choices you're making, and think 1164 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,720 Speaker 1: about our community of okay as Hunter. We have a community. 1165 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,520 Speaker 1: We literally have an okay as Hunter crew. We have 1166 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 1: like a hundred people that have like bowed to be 1167 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,080 Speaker 1: brand uh accolades and or accolytes. Whatever what's for here 1168 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:58,120 Speaker 1: doesn't thank you yes, So you know, having that support 1169 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,400 Speaker 1: system gives us the bree thing room to feel like 1170 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,640 Speaker 1: we can take that pressure off. So it's it's not 1171 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,919 Speaker 1: necessarily completely tactical, but I put on a dad butt 1172 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,920 Speaker 1: shirt the other day and I'm not super proud of 1173 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,800 Speaker 1: my dad body because I took a lot of pride 1174 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,720 Speaker 1: in my fitness and my physique and I have that 1175 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,400 Speaker 1: is not a thing right now. And I put on 1176 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:23,200 Speaker 1: my bush like well, you know, but I put the 1177 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,280 Speaker 1: shirt on that way behind ethical and suddenly I feel 1178 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,360 Speaker 1: like it's okay, Hey, I'm wearing this dad bought shirt. 1179 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm part of a community now. Like there's an other 1180 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,160 Speaker 1: guy and they're like cheers that dad bud bro. Like yeah, 1181 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,919 Speaker 1: it's okay. I've left one community, I've joined another one. 1182 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,919 Speaker 1: To have a support system is important and and our 1183 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,240 Speaker 1: community provides that, you know, So I think that's critical. 1184 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,000 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I know people that aren't on 1185 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,080 Speaker 1: social media at all and they never were, so like 1186 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,440 Speaker 1: they don't have to deal with that hard switch of 1187 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,240 Speaker 1: trying to leave it behind that that's a big friction 1188 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,320 Speaker 1: point that would be difficult to do if you get 1189 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,680 Speaker 1: some joy out of that. So that's my two cents 1190 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,720 Speaker 1: on the topic. I would I would agree. I think 1191 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,080 Speaker 1: it's I think it's community and and having a message 1192 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:08,400 Speaker 1: that's out there right that's different from maybe mainstream and 1193 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 1: what we see a lot of whether it's YouTube shows 1194 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,600 Speaker 1: on other hunting shows, um, you know what's on it. 1195 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,520 Speaker 1: Instagram with the grip and grin, with the you know, 1196 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,840 Speaker 1: huge bucks. You know, just understanding that there's all the 1197 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 1: messages out there and having that out, having that visible 1198 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,360 Speaker 1: for for new hunters or wherever people are in their 1199 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,800 Speaker 1: hunting journey to see. I think that's the that's the 1200 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,200 Speaker 1: release point for me personally, and I hope it is 1201 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,040 Speaker 1: for other people too, because I don't think it's realistic 1202 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,960 Speaker 1: to ask people to delete Facebook and Instagram. I mean 1203 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,880 Speaker 1: there's yeah, Well, dude, I'm telling you, I'm gonna differ 1204 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,400 Speaker 1: with you because it's my career. And I deleted the 1205 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,640 Speaker 1: Facebook app and the Twitter app off my phone. So 1206 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,680 Speaker 1: I haven't been able to take Instagram off, but just 1207 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,640 Speaker 1: taking Facebook and Twitter off on my phone. So if 1208 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,360 Speaker 1: I still need to do something for work, I can 1209 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,560 Speaker 1: get on my computer and do it. But by removing 1210 00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,920 Speaker 1: the apps on my phone, I have been still maintain 1211 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:06,200 Speaker 1: my job and keep my career, but dramatically improved my 1212 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,040 Speaker 1: mental well being because the impulse stuff like the you're 1213 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, you've got ten minutes randomly or two minutes 1214 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,320 Speaker 1: in a line, and you flip up and Facebook and 1215 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,480 Speaker 1: start scrolling like I was able to eliminate that, and 1216 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,240 Speaker 1: that has been super tangible. And and I guess that 1217 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,320 Speaker 1: Instagram would be great. That's the next one in my list. 1218 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,880 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you it is doable and it has 1219 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,520 Speaker 1: helped me. So for whatever that's worth. Yeah, that is good, Greg, 1220 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:38,960 Speaker 1: What about you? What about me? What about Bob? Baby steps? No? 1221 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,000 Speaker 1: I think surrounding yourself with good people. I mean there's 1222 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,840 Speaker 1: a group before of us where we you know, we 1223 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,360 Speaker 1: had our whole group chat going all fall and you know, 1224 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,280 Speaker 1: kind of feel bad for the one guy that couldn't 1225 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,760 Speaker 1: make it out and I'm posting pictures of being in 1226 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,200 Speaker 1: the stand and he's just I can tell his gears 1227 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:57,760 Speaker 1: got to be grinding a little bit. And it's not 1228 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,120 Speaker 1: to poke at him, but you know, maybe he can 1229 01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,000 Speaker 1: live a little vicariously through my pictures or something. You 1230 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 1: took the words out out of my mouth. I'm not 1231 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,320 Speaker 1: out there, but I hope someone. I hope you're Yeah, 1232 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,680 Speaker 1: so you got the right attitude for it. Not everybody 1233 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,000 Speaker 1: will have that same attitude. Um, but and I enjoy 1234 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,760 Speaker 1: and sharing what's going on. It's not to be bragging 1235 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,680 Speaker 1: about it or anything. It's just, hey, this is what's 1236 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,680 Speaker 1: happening out here, and but having the right people in 1237 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:29,200 Speaker 1: your core circle. That's probably one of the biggest things. Yeah, 1238 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,120 Speaker 1: for sure, sharing the okayest moments with you guys, like 1239 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,800 Speaker 1: when I stuff up bad because normally I don't share 1240 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,920 Speaker 1: that stuff myself. I don't tell my my other I 1241 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,080 Speaker 1: think buddies were like hardcore, I don't. I don't tell 1242 01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,040 Speaker 1: him that I messed up, dropped the climate stick twenty 1243 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,120 Speaker 1: ft and dinged off everyone. I'm not telling. But when 1244 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,080 Speaker 1: we get together our group text, I'm I guess what 1245 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,400 Speaker 1: I just it feels good and let go of that 1246 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,880 Speaker 1: stuff and know you're not getting judged. It feels good. 1247 01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:00,920 Speaker 1: Ye imagine having to admit those things to tens of 1248 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,080 Speaker 1: thousands of people every day on YouTuber podcast. That's that's 1249 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:09,440 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Um. So the relatability door opens 1250 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,440 Speaker 1: up and suddenly people start like sharing their stories with you, 1251 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, And that's that's where it's like, oh, well, 1252 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,360 Speaker 1: this isn't that bad, you know it's that or it's 1253 01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,600 Speaker 1: they look at and go, you know what you're you 1254 01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,760 Speaker 1: guys aren't for me, Okay, we're not for you. That's fine. Well, 1255 01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 1: there's certainly there's certainly a lot of people that do 1256 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,880 Speaker 1: like that kind of thing, because you know, I basically 1257 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,320 Speaker 1: have been living the okayst hunter at least results side 1258 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,640 Speaker 1: of things since I started this whole thing, Like I've 1259 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,480 Speaker 1: been making more mistakes than anyone and talking about it. 1260 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,520 Speaker 1: And I always joked that, Uh, a guy walked up 1261 01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,880 Speaker 1: to me. Not a guy, a friend who's also in 1262 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,600 Speaker 1: the white tail world who said that me, said that 1263 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,160 Speaker 1: I had cornered the market on failure in the deer 1264 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,280 Speaker 1: hunting industry. So I've kind of made a kind of 1265 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,320 Speaker 1: made a name of this thing, and somehow people have 1266 01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,240 Speaker 1: stuck with me. So there as there must be something 1267 01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,320 Speaker 1: to what you guys are saying. Uh, but I want 1268 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:01,440 Speaker 1: to I want to do something. I want to do 1269 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,520 Speaker 1: like a a little bit like an on air exercise 1270 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:10,920 Speaker 1: of sorts. Here, Um, let's let's do something. I don't 1271 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,440 Speaker 1: know if it will work, but we're gonna work through 1272 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,080 Speaker 1: this as like a group project out loud. We're gonna 1273 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,600 Speaker 1: think through this idea. Let's say do anything, and just 1274 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,640 Speaker 1: the rest of the group carries me. I want to 1275 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:29,520 Speaker 1: I want to write the ten commandments for being an Okay, 1276 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,360 Speaker 1: it's hunter. So for someone listening right now, who's thinking, Yeah, 1277 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,400 Speaker 1: you know what, this resonates with me. I want to 1278 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,600 Speaker 1: lean more into this approach to hunting. If we could 1279 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,480 Speaker 1: think of like ten commandments, ten rules, ten words or 1280 01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,680 Speaker 1: phrases to live by. Let's let me hear what you 1281 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,080 Speaker 1: guys have, and I'm gonna take a note to keep 1282 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,479 Speaker 1: track of what our ten are. And if if Eric 1283 01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 1: has an idea and Greg you think it's horrible, please 1284 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,720 Speaker 1: call him out and tell him how horrible the idea 1285 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,360 Speaker 1: is so we can narrow down the ten best ideas. 1286 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm to kick us off with the first thing. And 1287 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,920 Speaker 1: I think that it's important to not take yourself too seriously. 1288 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,440 Speaker 1: I like that, don't take yourself too seriously. You just 1289 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:14,360 Speaker 1: already made way too much pressure on yourself. Remember why 1290 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:22,360 Speaker 1: you started? Number two, Remember why you started? Keep them coming. 1291 01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,960 Speaker 1: Guess I'm liking this. I'm writing them down too. I 1292 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,280 Speaker 1: would say, ever pass and making memories what it's all about. 1293 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,600 Speaker 1: Never passed on making memories. Shooter buck is in the 1294 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:38,320 Speaker 1: eye of the beholder. I like it. Shooter Bucks in 1295 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,360 Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder. Right, that's four of ten. 1296 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:47,200 Speaker 1: The way there, Congratulate people you don't know, Like everybody 1297 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,800 Speaker 1: says a good job of your body, but like make 1298 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,120 Speaker 1: a habit out of congratulating anyone and everyone just to 1299 01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,560 Speaker 1: build the community aspect. Yes, it's gonna be way better 1300 01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,720 Speaker 1: for the community. Do you'll enjoy it, They'll enjoy it. 1301 01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,960 Speaker 1: Everybody will be happy. I don't know why it is, 1302 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,280 Speaker 1: but it seems to be it takes a lot more 1303 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,520 Speaker 1: energy to be hateful and in a disresector, disrespectful jerk 1304 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,720 Speaker 1: than it does just to be nice and come over 1305 01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,680 Speaker 1: and talk to somebody. You never know, you might make 1306 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,560 Speaker 1: a new friend. I mean, don't you ever wonder, like, 1307 01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,160 Speaker 1: who are these people to have the time and energy 1308 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:21,400 Speaker 1: to talk trash on social media? Some people have really 1309 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,400 Speaker 1: admitted basement is underwear. Yeah no, if some people literally 1310 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,800 Speaker 1: admitted that, they just honestly, it's like that's seen in 1311 01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,440 Speaker 1: a dark night. Some people just like to watch the 1312 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,760 Speaker 1: roll burn. Some people literally just want to stir the pot. 1313 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,600 Speaker 1: And they're not even they're not even like actually upset. 1314 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,600 Speaker 1: They're just poking you to get you upset. I don't 1315 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:45,000 Speaker 1: get people like that. It's weird. I'm like, man, you're jerk. Gosh, 1316 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:50,200 Speaker 1: that's five out of ten you're asking the wrong crew. No, no, no, 1317 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,520 Speaker 1: we'll come up with something and it just funnel me 1318 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,280 Speaker 1: in the right direction. But something along the lines of 1319 01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,320 Speaker 1: like bring a buddy, or like bring some of us 1320 01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,960 Speaker 1: mentor somebody everything well not even it's always better when 1321 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,640 Speaker 1: you have somebody to share it with, it is. I mean, 1322 01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,320 Speaker 1: they're you're successful, you're not successful. It's always better. You 1323 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,360 Speaker 1: came with me on that one hunt. I mean you 1324 01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,800 Speaker 1: and I were on a bunch of honts together this year. Um, 1325 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,240 Speaker 1: Illinois in here close to home. You guys are with 1326 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,000 Speaker 1: me in spirit when I was thrown by all those bucks. 1327 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,919 Speaker 1: You know, you were calling us Stuart. But that was fun. 1328 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,840 Speaker 1: That was so fun. Yeah, We're on our way down 1329 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,280 Speaker 1: to Illinois and Eric's Collins. I'm like, why is it? 1330 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,760 Speaker 1: Why are you calling dude? There's a buck down here? 1331 01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:35,520 Speaker 1: What do I do? Seriously? Go after him? Go after him? Um? Yeah, 1332 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,080 Speaker 1: I think along the lines of go with friends, because 1333 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,760 Speaker 1: friends are always going to be there for you. You know. 1334 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,480 Speaker 1: Point in case I shot that dough, you were there 1335 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,480 Speaker 1: with me. It had been a bit of a drag 1336 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,680 Speaker 1: getting it out by myself. It wasn't terrible, but we 1337 01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,440 Speaker 1: were always in there. So I think always be learning 1338 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,400 Speaker 1: is important you know, the moment you think you know 1339 01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,760 Speaker 1: it all, you should probably stopped your hunting. Yes, you 1340 01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,640 Speaker 1: got to just keep an open mind overall, and I 1341 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,840 Speaker 1: think enjoy that. I think I would add like, always 1342 01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,200 Speaker 1: be learning and embrace that, like, don't feel bad that 1343 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,680 Speaker 1: you don't know at all. Actually get a kick out 1344 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,680 Speaker 1: of the fact you've got more to learn, Right Mark, Mark, 1345 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,480 Speaker 1: I think you got it just talking with Eric and 1346 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,840 Speaker 1: like here in his mindset. But the okay as Hunter 1347 01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,680 Speaker 1: isn't just like a bunch of groups of bad hunters. 1348 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,040 Speaker 1: Like everyone who I feel like listens and like is 1349 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,439 Speaker 1: along with us on the jersey. Everybody wants to get better, 1350 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,800 Speaker 1: Like there's no way that. Yeah, I want everybody everyone 1351 01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,040 Speaker 1: they're here because they want to learn something. They want 1352 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,040 Speaker 1: to get better, right, Like the okay It's Hunter is 1353 01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,560 Speaker 1: not just a bunch of jackasses walking around the ones 1354 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,640 Speaker 1: Like people want to get better. Every having that goal 1355 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,200 Speaker 1: is like an important part and people's goals just differ. 1356 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,280 Speaker 1: Can I throw one in? I'm not I'm not part 1357 01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,600 Speaker 1: of the official crew, but let me say if this 1358 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,400 Speaker 1: had passed the test, if you want to, I think, 1359 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,120 Speaker 1: don't say anything. If you can't say, well, what's what's 1360 01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:54,919 Speaker 1: the old phrase like if you've got nothing nice to say, 1361 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,640 Speaker 1: don't say anything at all. I mean it goes back 1362 01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,320 Speaker 1: to the congratulating people you don't know. But like, hey, 1363 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,240 Speaker 1: if you have a thought on someone else's buck online, 1364 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,920 Speaker 1: you don't think that they waited long enough for you 1365 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,360 Speaker 1: think it's too small or whatever. You think the shot 1366 01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,080 Speaker 1: placement wasn't great, Keep that to yourself, Like we don't 1367 01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,280 Speaker 1: need any more negativity out there, right, Like if lead 1368 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:16,160 Speaker 1: by example, yep, Yeah, I think it goes back to 1369 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,840 Speaker 1: every situation is different. You don't know what happened there. Yeah, 1370 01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,160 Speaker 1: So I would say my mindfulness of the hunting journey, 1371 01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,240 Speaker 1: like if that's the thing, you know, and and that's 1372 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,360 Speaker 1: for yourself and for others, like you know again taking 1373 01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,639 Speaker 1: that fresh cup yourself, maybe your hunting journey has changed, 1374 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,519 Speaker 1: You're in a different course for a little bit, Like 1375 01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:37,040 Speaker 1: it's okay, it's okay. Never pass up a chance to 1376 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,759 Speaker 1: hunt with family, m that's important. Like you mentioned Iowa 1377 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,400 Speaker 1: thing before Mark, and I kind of related to that, 1378 01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,200 Speaker 1: Like you get a chance to go hunt somewhere really good, 1379 01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,000 Speaker 1: but if you have a chance to hunt with family, 1380 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,160 Speaker 1: I think that's far more importantly. Chasing a big deer 1381 01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:50,600 Speaker 1: because you don't know when the next time you'll be 1382 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,719 Speaker 1: able to enjoy that moment. Like it's okay to make mistakes. 1383 01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:02,280 Speaker 1: That's like that, like celebrate failures literally. Now we're twelve. 1384 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:13,479 Speaker 1: Now we're twelve guys. Yeah, er, can't I get a 1385 01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:19,080 Speaker 1: shot of bourbon for that? This is this is good stuff. 1386 01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,120 Speaker 1: This is good stuff. So let me let me read 1387 01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:26,760 Speaker 1: back the the eleven that I captured. Okay, and then 1388 01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,200 Speaker 1: if you want to cut any one of these from 1389 01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,000 Speaker 1: the list, you can. But this is this is what 1390 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:31,559 Speaker 1: we have and this is this is a really nice 1391 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,960 Speaker 1: way of uh getting a synopsis of our conversation here 1392 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,639 Speaker 1: to day. Number one of our ten commandments to being 1393 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,400 Speaker 1: an okay hunter. Don't take yourself too seriously. Number two. 1394 01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:46,599 Speaker 1: Remember where you started. Number three. Never passed on making memories. 1395 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,240 Speaker 1: Number four. Remember that a shooter buck is in the 1396 01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:53,320 Speaker 1: eye of the beholder. Number five. Congratulate people you don't know. 1397 01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:58,280 Speaker 1: Number six. Bring a buddy. Number seven. Always be learning 1398 01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,519 Speaker 1: and enjoy that. Number eight. If you don't have anything 1399 01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,960 Speaker 1: nice to say, keep it to yourself. Number nine. Be 1400 01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,960 Speaker 1: mindful of the hunting journey and how everyone's is different 1401 01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,519 Speaker 1: and number ten, never pass up on time with family, 1402 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,360 Speaker 1: and an extra credit was celebrate failure. What do you think? 1403 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,599 Speaker 1: Is that a pretty list? We got the ok eleven, 1404 01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:25,840 Speaker 1: not the ten commands crossed out. That's a true eleven 1405 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:32,080 Speaker 1: point right there. That's pretty good stuff. Uh huh so, 1406 01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,960 Speaker 1: uh so, guys, this is uh, this is a bid 1407 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,720 Speaker 1: fun Is there anything that we haven't touched on that 1408 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,800 Speaker 1: you have a burning desire to get out there? Is 1409 01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,760 Speaker 1: there something that you really wanted to talk about that 1410 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,679 Speaker 1: we haven't yet, or do you feel like we've got 1411 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,600 Speaker 1: a sense of of how to really embrace the the 1412 01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,720 Speaker 1: okay side of the Hunter in each of us. I 1413 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,840 Speaker 1: think we captured the essence really well, and if we 1414 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,120 Speaker 1: wanted to go on, you know more, maybe that's great 1415 01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,560 Speaker 1: for another go around at some other point where we 1416 01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,000 Speaker 1: could get some hot button topics that have been boiling up. 1417 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,720 Speaker 1: But I don't think that's a good fit for how 1418 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,880 Speaker 1: we just wrap this thing up right now? So then, 1419 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,920 Speaker 1: uh don't where can folks go to to tap into 1420 01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,840 Speaker 1: what you guys are doing? Where can folks find more 1421 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:17,800 Speaker 1: of your content? Everywhere? But no, you can Okay, it's 1422 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,360 Speaker 1: Hunter dot com and that's okay, A y e s 1423 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,240 Speaker 1: t because I say it fast. Uh. You know, we 1424 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,960 Speaker 1: have okayst Hunter podcast dot com as well, but you know, 1425 01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,439 Speaker 1: really you're going to see us on TikTok heavy, Instagram, heavy, Facebook. 1426 01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,040 Speaker 1: We have um a couple of groups on Facebook, the 1427 01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,880 Speaker 1: Shooter Buck Club. We have the Okay so on our 1428 01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,800 Speaker 1: crew that people can join if they want to really 1429 01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,920 Speaker 1: kind of get close to the community and have that 1430 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,639 Speaker 1: camaraderie and there's some benefit to being in that community. 1431 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,479 Speaker 1: But you know, we're on giffy. If you if you 1432 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,160 Speaker 1: go on your iPhone or Facebook and you type in 1433 01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,439 Speaker 1: Okay's Hunter as a gift, you're gonna find some and 1434 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:53,160 Speaker 1: Derek's spitting out some sort of tree nut or something weird. Yeah, 1435 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,400 Speaker 1: swinging on a vine. You know we're really uh yeah, 1436 01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,639 Speaker 1: so we're we're I think fairly omnipresent across the digital 1437 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:10,320 Speaker 1: Twitter to Twitter. We're proud of Twitter, Twitter, awesome, Instagram podcast. 1438 01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,960 Speaker 1: There you are, there you are now. Well, thank you guys, 1439 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:20,000 Speaker 1: Eric Derrek, Greg Tyler. This is this is just what 1440 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:24,519 Speaker 1: I needed tonight. So thank you, thank you, Thanks for 1441 01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,120 Speaker 1: having us. Cheers. I appreciate it and that is a rap. 1442 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,960 Speaker 1: Appreciate you being here. Thanks for tuning in. I enjoyed 1443 01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,720 Speaker 1: this one. I appreciate you joining me. You know, it's 1444 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,599 Speaker 1: gonna be an interesting year. I'm gonna be looking at 1445 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,160 Speaker 1: a whole a whole lot of different things within my 1446 01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,800 Speaker 1: hunting life. Right, a few weeks ago, we talked about 1447 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,519 Speaker 1: how I'm re examining how I shoot. This week we're 1448 01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,280 Speaker 1: talking about how I'm going to re examine somewhat of 1449 01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,479 Speaker 1: how I approached my season, and and the goals and 1450 01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,080 Speaker 1: stresses and and all that around of it. Um, I 1451 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,759 Speaker 1: don't know a lot of change for me, interesting stuff. 1452 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,680 Speaker 1: Hopefully this is something you can relate, to learn something from, 1453 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,400 Speaker 1: or just laugh at. I don't know what it is, 1454 01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,400 Speaker 1: but I appreciate you being here with me through it all. 1455 01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,200 Speaker 1: So until next time, thank you, and stay wired to hunt.