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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back George Nori with you. Peter Panagor's with

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Speaker 2: us authors book As Heaven Is Beautiful A Dye taught

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Speaker 2: me that death is just the beginning. Two time near

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Speaker 2: death experience or himself whose indes reshaped his understanding of

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Speaker 2: consciousness and the divine. Peter has dedicated his life to

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Speaker 2: exploring mystical truth through extensive studies. He was on with

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Speaker 2: Richard Sarah, my colleague, about two years ago. Peter, Welcome

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Speaker 2: back to the program.

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Speaker 3: George, thanks for having me. I'm glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to this. What were your indes like what

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Speaker 2: happened to.

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Speaker 3: You In the first one, I died from hypothermia while

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Speaker 3: ice climbing in Alberta, Canada, and when I crossed over,

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Speaker 3: I had a very extensive experience that included a life

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Speaker 3: review and a state of union and a consciousness understand

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Speaker 3: that I had always been this higher self and never

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Speaker 3: really had been a physical human being in terms of

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Speaker 3: the reality of my existence, that I had temporarily been

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Speaker 3: a human being, and that this higher consciousness self which

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Speaker 3: was like this in one stage of my experience was

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Speaker 3: like an orb of plasma, where my consciousness was myself.

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Speaker 3: There was no separation between my being. This I call it,

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Speaker 3: I could call it a physicality, but there was nothing

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Speaker 3: physical there. I was in a place of no thingness,

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Speaker 3: where there was no no moth, there were no molecules.

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Speaker 3: I had didn't have a physical body, but I had

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Speaker 3: a nature of well created order. I was being created

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Speaker 3: by the Creator, but I had had an everlasting existence.

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Speaker 3: And that's that's how it sort of began. And the

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Speaker 3: second near death experience, I died of a heart attack

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Speaker 3: about ten years ago, family congenital situation, and I didn't

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Speaker 3: go so far. I came out of my body in

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Speaker 3: the ambulance. The same angelic being that had met me

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Speaker 3: the first time came in a more like a plural form,

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Speaker 3: speaking to me telepathically again saying welcome, We've been waiting

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Speaker 3: for you. And as I began to leave, as what

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Speaker 3: happened during the first experience, I had an opportunity to

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Speaker 3: didn't die. And so I was given this opportunity both

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Speaker 3: times to make a choice and Both times I had

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Speaker 3: to do with my family. The first time it had

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Speaker 3: to do with my mom and dad. My sister had

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Speaker 3: run away when I was fourteen, vanished from our point

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Speaker 3: of view, and it destroyed my family and emotionally psychologically.

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Speaker 3: It was terrible, which is why I wasn't back in

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Speaker 3: the Boston area for this spring break. I was running away.

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Speaker 2: Did she ever come back?

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Speaker 3: Sort of back in about two thousand and five, she

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Speaker 3: establishing relationships with us, But then she died of a

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Speaker 3: heart attack. The same thing me in two thousand and seven. Uh,

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Speaker 3: fifty four, I think, yeah, it's a it's a family thing.

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Speaker 3: Took my grandfather on my birthday in fifty nine when

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Speaker 3: he was in his fifties, and then nearly took my dad,

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Speaker 3: but he was life lighted and shot up with then

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Speaker 3: an experimental drug for decoagulant saved him, and then it

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Speaker 3: got me. So it's a it's a runs down the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hereditary. Take care of yourself, Peter. This experience

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Speaker 2: you had with your NDE, how long do you think

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Speaker 2: you were dead?

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Speaker 3: The first time I was did for a long time.

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Speaker 3: I don't know I was. I was trapped on a

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Speaker 3: at the top of a climb, and my partner, my

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Speaker 3: climbing partner, Tim, we never discussed how long I'd been

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Speaker 3: dead because I never told him because I didn't understand

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Speaker 3: I knew I'd been in the presence of the divine,

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Speaker 3: but the length of the experience. If I began to

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Speaker 3: tell you the whole experience, George, it would last I'd

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Speaker 3: have to talk for forty five minutes, speaking really fast

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Speaker 3: it was a brief amount of time. The second time,

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Speaker 2: After you came back, Peter, did you experience any change

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Speaker 3: It was this odd combination of still being me. I

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Speaker 3: physical advantages and disadvantages, mental advantages and disadvantages. All those

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Speaker 3: things were the same. But I became a different person.

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Speaker 3: I was like people call them walk ins, meaning like

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Speaker 3: a soul that enters a different body. Well, I entered

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Speaker 3: the same body, but my soul had changed. Had I

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Speaker 3: became an observer of my life. I was as if

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Speaker 3: I was above my body, looking through my eyes and

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Speaker 3: feeling with my hands, like an avatar and a game.

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Speaker 3: Except for that, I could feel and see everything from

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Speaker 3: on earth and I when I didn't tell anybody. I

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Speaker 3: should tell you, George. I kept this a secret for

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Speaker 3: except for the exception of a few people. Why why Well,

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Speaker 3: because it was I didn't want to be crazy, George.

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Speaker 3: You know people at this time, this was nineteen eighty,

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Speaker 3: I didn't really know what had happened to me. There

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Speaker 3: And I knew that most of the people I ran

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Speaker 3: didn't want to be locked up, frankly, and I was

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Speaker 3: afraid that if I talked about this radical change that

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Speaker 3: that I couldn't tell where I began and they ended it.

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Speaker 3: It was crazy making for me, and I, as I

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Speaker 3: So I kept it a secret for close to twenty years.

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Speaker 3: I told my wife, I told my best friend, and

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Speaker 3: integration because the world. When I say the world, I

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Speaker 3: world is so radically changed that it's very disorienting, and

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Speaker 3: lots of people, lots of near death experiencers, end up

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Speaker 3: with severe depression. I was quietly suicidal for close to

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Speaker 3: twenty years because of this. This isolation that occurs is

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Speaker 3: one becomes so attached and connected to the other side,

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Speaker 2: You actually missed it, didn't you.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. It left me with longing. I cannot.

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Speaker 3: I can't put it to words desperately. Is that normal

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Speaker 3: for many of us? Yes, It's sort of like if

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Speaker 3: it left me with this longing. But that same longing

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Speaker 3: so much and wanted it so badly, I changed my

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Speaker 3: entire future. I was going to go to grad school

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Speaker 3: mysticism instead, So I went to Yale Divinity school, and

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Speaker 3: her why I was doing this. I studied mysticism, global

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Speaker 3: mysticism for three years, and contemplation and interior journey in

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Speaker 3: order to give myself some sort of set of parameters

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Speaker 3: to answer your question, I was a different person and

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Speaker 3: people knew it. It was leaking off of me. Even

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Speaker 2: Now you've had a couple u OFO experiences as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, one not so long ago in my backyard, just

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Speaker 3: But the real thing happened to me back in nineteen

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Speaker 3: And so we're in this old ford chasing this disc

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Speaker 3: up above the trees at this point. And as we

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Speaker 3: out the windows. As we approached it, it shot off

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Speaker 3: into space so fast beyond site. It left a light

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Speaker 3: trail behind it, just like that, and we were stunned.

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Speaker 3: We didn't have any explanation for any of this, but

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Speaker 3: we are all there together. And I kept that a

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Speaker 3: secret until the Pentagon came out back in like ninety

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Speaker 3: seven with those videotapes from San Diego with the UFOs

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Speaker 3: off at the Pacific. I thought it must be safe now.

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Speaker 3: The made pardon the tic TACs, Yeah, yeah, the tic TACs,

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Speaker 3: And so I made a little video about it, and

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Speaker 3: I put it up on my website, my YouTube channel,

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