WEBVTT - The Cheapest Land is Bought in Blood, Part 1 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:10.520 Also media, Welcome to Nick. It appened here I showed 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.160 that is about a number of I really should have 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.880 done an actual intro for this one. This is embarrassing 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:23.079 heroest me along with me is Sharene and James Hello, miya. 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.160 Oh yeah that was great. I thought that was actually great. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:27.840 Keep them guessing, you. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:29.920 Know, yeah, yeah, they never know what they're going to get. 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:31.800 Would it be sad? Would it be happy? 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:36.040 Yeah? Unfortunately, this is a This is a this is 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.199 a really sad episode. This is an episode that I 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.640 got really pissed off while writing. Yeah, and this is 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.639 an episode about Palestine. Now, most of the attention on 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.720 Palestine right now has been focused on Gaza for you know, 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:53.760 very obvious reasons. Gaza is the place where you know, 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.240 most of most of the Israeli offensive is happening. It's 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.600 where most of the people are. Israelis are killing the 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:05.160 most people. But however, coma, there's also been a bunch 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.920 of killing going on in the West Bank, and this 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.800 is you know, the the the murders of Palestinians in 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.200 the West Bank is stuff that you know, it's been 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.479 intensified by the current conflict. But this is stuff that's 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:23.959 been happening even before like this latest round of stuff started. 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:26.920 Since the beginning of the year is raely settlers and 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.920 government forces have killed several hundred Palestinians in the West Bank, 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.920 and I think in a lot of ways the dynamics 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:37.040 of the entire Israeli project are clearer in the West 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.440 Bank than they are anywhere else, which is a bold statement, 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.560 I will concede, But I think by the end of 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:44.560 this we'll see if I'm right. 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:46.720 I think you're I think you're right in the sense that, 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.680 like the systems of apartheid are very clear in the 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:54.080 West Bank versus other parts of Yeah. 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.160 I mean, the violent dynamic of it's really the issreaty 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.440 project is pretty fucking evident. When that bombing shoulders in 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:00.480 Gaza too, It's yeah. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.760 But I think I think specifically the part that's easiest 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.840 to understand in the West Bank is why it's why 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.800 it's a mutually self reinforcing dynamic, Why why the settler 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:15.200 project keeps like has been building the way that it has, 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.600 why it keeps inevitably leading to violence the way that 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.120 it has, and why it's it's, you know, effectively the 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:26.680 sort of cyclical self reinforcing project. But to actually understand 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:28.600 what I'm talking about, we need to go back to 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.480 the beginning of the Israeli occupation to understand what the 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:37.640 occupation actually is, because I'm not actually sure, I don't know. 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.560 This is something that like, I feel like most of 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.959 the people talking about this kind of just assume everyone knows, 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.680 and I feel like we should not assume that, and 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.960 we should, you know, actually go back and run through 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.120 some of this history really quickly. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.919 My cynical take is that mastered to people talking about 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:56.040 this maybe don't have the deepest understanding themselves, and that 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:01.600 skating along on that assumption not to have to expound. 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.120 I feel like I've talked about it before on like 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.680 every podcast I've done, but I feel like people like 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:08.880 tune it out, you know what I mean. Like, I 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.080 feel like people don't actually absorb what I'm what any 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.840 what they hear, because it's like, oh, this again, or 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:14.880 whatever the fuck they're thinking. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:15.200 I don't know. 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I'm gonna I'm gonna hammer I'm 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.960 gonna hammer a copy of this into all of your brains. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.400 You have no choice, you must. 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.640 Martin Luthering the History of Palestine. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:32.400 Yeah, gonna nail ninety five copies of the Geneva Convention 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:38.080 to the door. So in the beginning, there was the Knakba, 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.400 which is the great disaster of the Palestinian people, in 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.720 which the Israelis armed. I should mention by Stalin, which 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.280 is something that is incredibly inconvenient for everyone in the 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:50.000 entire American political spectrum. And we will get back to 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.080 who also, like who specifically was doing the knack book, 0:03:54.120 --> 0:04:01.520 because it's not exactly who anyone really expects or portrays 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.720 them as. But yeah, a bunch of a bunch of 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:08.920 armed settlers, armed by Stalin drives seven hundred thousand Palestinians 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.960 from their homes. They seize those homes, they take them 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:16.160 for themselves. Now this is I think, okay, this is 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.960 this is the part where where disclaimer Miya is not 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:23.120 it is not a professor of international law. I think 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.520 this was actually technically not a legally a war crime 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:31.400 because I only because the Fourth Geneva Convention hadn't been 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:35.320 ratified yet, because then takes place in nineteen forty eight, 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.640 and this is a year before the Geneva Convention or 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.120 the fourth Geneva Convention. The part that has the stuff 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.279 we're going to talk about was ratified. It's two years 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.080 before it comes into force. But you know from the 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.880 beginning what you have here is a settler colony. The 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.400 Israelis have driven out the Palestinians who have been living there. 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.480 They have seized their homes, and they have replaced them 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:55.320 with you as settlers. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.600 They've also massacred like fifteen Yeah. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.320 Yeah, they've killed a ton of people. Yeah, I mean, 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.520 I guess I should be more explicit about that. Like 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:06.000 when I say drive out, like sometimes they were, it's 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.360 just it's people fleeing a lot of times they're killed. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.600 Yeah, It's like they they flat in entire villages, you 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:15.760 know what I mean. Like it's not just like, oh 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.880 they're empty houses now, it's like, no, they actually destroyed everything, 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:23.279 built new cities where there already were cities, renamed the cities. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.760 It's yeah, it was just I don't know. It's the 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.320 reason people are leaving is because they've seen their neighbors 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.200 and family members killed and their fields and houses burned, 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.800 and they know that that's coming for them right later. Yeah. 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.800 I think this is sorry. Just one tangent is there 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.880 are so many videos of like former IDF soldiers that 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.240 were not it's not id technically, but like former people 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.640 that fought in the Neckba that like drove these people 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.000 out of their homes and it's so repulsive. There's literally 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.120 like a it was on an Israeli news channel or 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.160 like some type of Israeli show where there's an old 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.400 man like laughing about how him and his group raped 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.360 a sixteen year old girl and shot everyone in a row, 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.360 all the babies, everything else. It's just like and that's 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.719 coming from them, So I think that's important to know. 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:11.479 It's not just like us saying, oh my god, these 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.840 terrible things happen. It's like, no, they actually admitted to 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:18.279 it multiple times. We're just telling you from you know 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.800 what I mean. I think it's important to say that. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.000 Yeah, And this is something we're going to get into 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.440 more in a bit. But one of the consequences of this, 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.240 and one of the consequences of running a settler colony 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.760 like this, is that the people that it produces, who 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.360 are the people who you know, the people who are 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:43.360 like murdering people and taking their homes right in order. 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.920 The kind of person you have to be in order 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:50.719 to do that is just absolutely terrifying. Just like you know, 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:52.400 I mean this and this is why you see so 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.680 much stuff both here and you know, like back like 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.640 in in the early phases of like not even the 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.560 early phase, like most of the phases of US settler expansion, right, 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.800 you really account to these people, and there's like these 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.360 people are all serial killers. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.400 To do that, I think you have to convince yourself 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.320 that the people you are doing it too are less 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.720 human or not human like that. It's fundamental to colonialism, 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.480 right to consider yourself to either be a higher form 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.040 of humanity or like distinct like in a species sense 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.840 from These British people did that in their colonialism too. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.520 But yeah, you see it all the time in specifically 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.200 in like their language and culture that depicts the settler 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.360 colonization of the United States or what is now the 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:38.200 United States. Right, Like you can look at the like 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.400 what it's called the Indian Wars after the Civil War 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.480 and see just all kinds of the most fucking horrific 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.920 shit imaginable because you're you're doing a genocide. You're just 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.240 doing it like piece by piece as you go across 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:51.320 the country. 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.800 Yeah, and this is one of these parts of American 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:59.960 history that people don't understand, and when you learn it, 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:04.120 there's this real sort of even even in sort of 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.640 radical accounts, and I understand why they do this, but 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.560 there's a tendency to not to sort of back away 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.080 from exactly how violent this stuff was. And you know, 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:15.800 a lot of the reason for this is like it's 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.680 you know, it can get into this sort of realm 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:23.480 of like I don't know, there's almost weird like like tragedy, 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.679 horror porn stuff, but like it was, it was as 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:31.280 bad as anything that has ever happened to humans. Yeah, 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.680 and then and then the people doing that stuff are 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:38.280 you know, driven by the same kinds of of stuff 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:39.000 that's happening here. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.000 The people doing that stuff are still like like that 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.400 there's a park named after them in San Diego. There's 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.760 Kick cass And Park, there's Unipo Park, like like it's 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:53.280 baked into American culture still, like the genocide is are 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:54.720 fucking celebrated here. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:57.680 Yeah, and this is and this is this is also 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:02.839 true of Israel. Now, Okay, so so after the knack ball, 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.440 there's a lot of people who think that like this 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.040 is the end of the whole process, right that, like, okay, 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.200 so we've expelled these people, We've killed these people. There's 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.840 now a Jewish state, it has like relatively stable borders 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:18.319 or whatever. This is going to be the end of it. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.440 And that did not happen. And one of the reasons 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.400 that didn't happen is the nineteen sixty seven Six Days 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:30.040 War where Israel launches what's called a preemptive strike on Egypt. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.679 It's okay, so they this is the pr term that's 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:39.440 been developed afterwards for it. The reality is that Egypt 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.360 was not about to attack Israel. The Israelis just started 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.400 a war, like just straight up started a war and 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.120 invaded Egypt, and the Sixth Day War winds up being 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:56.160 a war between the Israelis and so it's mostly Egypt. 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.839 They end up fighting Egypt, Syria, Jordan a little bit, 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.640 and technically the Saudis like Iraq, Kuwait and Lebanon are 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.440 in the war, but like they don't do shit. There's 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.480 a story I think it's actually from the seventy three war, 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.920 but there's a story of uh, there's there's there's there's 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.199 bunch of people and there's a bunch of Egyptian soldiers 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.560 in a bunch of trenches and a bunch of like 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.280 the like Saudi command rolls up, and the Saudis roll 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:25.920 up and fucking rolls voices, and the Egyptian commanders looks 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.080 at these guys and just just go home because just 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:30.800 like you. And then this, this is one of the 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.520 scread dynamics here of like the god like the air 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:40.000 powers outside of Egypt for some of the time, really 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.840 we're not taking this very seriously. And you know, and 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.080 and and the consequence of this is that the the 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.400 is the most of the most of the sixty seven 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.440 war is I mean, the entirety of the sixty seven 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.560 war is just the Israelis beating the absolute piss out 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.720 of the Egyptians, in large part because the Egyptians weren't like, 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.480 actually I had to fight a war, so they were 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:06.840 basically completely unprepared for getting invaded by Israel. Now this 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.760 is this war is a complete disaster for for the 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:15.320 air powers. Like gomaldel Nasser is so ashamed of his 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:19.360 defeat that he resigns and doesn't like come back until 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.880 a bunch of protests in Egypt like demand that he'd 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:22.400 come back. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.240 He did it really royally kind of like his position 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.520 was that were like eventually I going to attack us, 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.720 we'll have a defensive position and failed miserably yet happy. 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.440 Yeah, it did not work. This is this, This is 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.600 a complete disaster. But and and and the other. You know, 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:39.520 the part of it that's that's most important for our 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:44.079 story is that this is the period where the Israelis 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.360 start seizing territory en mass. They take the entire Sinai 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.560 Peninsula from Egypt, they take the goal ont of Heights 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.880 from Syria, and most importantly for our purposes, they take 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.040 both the West Bank and Gossip, which means they now 0:11:56.040 --> 0:12:02.240 occupy all of Palestine now immediately, like effectively immediately as 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.640 this is happening, one point three million Palestinians flee the 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.280 West Banking Gaza. And you know this, this has a 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:12.160 consequence of enormously expanding the already very very large, like 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:16.160 permanent refugee population of Palestinians in a bunch of other countries. 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.800 And this is also where we come to the focus 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:25.960 of today's episode, which is Israeli settlers. But do you 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:30.839 know who else shows up uninvited and is technically illegal under. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:36.439 Multiple sections of international law. Is it run Reagan? The 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:48.959 surprise Reagan. Yeah, and we are back. 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.840 So one of the things that the Geneva Convention establishes 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:57.680 is the set of legal obligations that occupiers have in 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.920 occupy in over territory that they occupy. So if you know, 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.400 the way that's supposed to work under international law is 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:08.439 that you know, technically speaking, yeah, you can occupy territory, 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.720 but you're not allowed to do whatever you want with 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.200 that territory. You have to actually abide by a set 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.960 of laws. And this was done to you know, after 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:21.960 World War Two, to protect like people and occupied territories 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.719 from just the unbelievable horrors that were unleashed by the 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:29.200 Nazis in World War Two. Now, one of the things 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:34.679 that you cannot do if you are occupying a territory 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.560 is you cannot expel civilians from their homes and replace 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.640 them with your own civilians. This is this is a 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.480 war crime. You are is hon an international law. You 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:45.360 are not allowed to do this. 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:45.800 Now. 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.080 I've been talking a lot about international law, and this 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.000 is something where I kind of I don't know if 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.000 disagree is the right word. I have very little faith 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.560 international law. I know a lot of people who are 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.600 have been involved in this, you know, like in the 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.040 struggle for liberating palsigne for a very very long time, 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:08.079 like take international law very seriously. I don't know, like. 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:15.240 Israel has has not follow international law. Yeah, like nothing happens. 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.439 Yeah, international police. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.000 It's like there's no way to it. I don't believe 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.800 what it's telling me because nothing ever happens. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.040 And it has maybe it has a moral value, right, 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.440 I guess that's that's the idea behind some of the activism, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.840 is that like it can help position something as being 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:33.200 in the wrong and then that might help someone. But yeah, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.960 it hasn't worked. It didn't stop fucking it didn't stop 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.680 the rainge of genocide in meamma. It hasn't stopped the 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.000 population exchange in a free like it's pretend it doesn't 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:46.120 exist unless someone enforces it. Yeah, yeah, like it doesn't. 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.040 It's I feel like sometimes it's a totem for like 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.120 Western liberals to be like, oh, well they brother, they 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.160 can't do that, they're breaking international law. Oh fuck, they're 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:59.680 doing it anyway, Like well, yeah, it's yes, and then yeah, 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.840 and like understandably, like no one particularly wants to like 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.280 be the ones who enforce international law because that involves 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.920 your children dying, and so they let's let other children 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:11.800 die instead. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:17.240 Yeah, and you know, but the consequence of this being 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.480 really toothless is that, you know, it's the language of 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:22.360 this stuff is framed. And I want to frame this 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.560 like differently for a second, which is, I want I 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.840 want to think about what is being prohibited here in 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:34.480 basic moral terms, because the the what, the what this 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:38.760 article the Geneva Convention is supposed to stop is an 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.920 army showing up killing a bunch of people and then 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.280 settling their own population on top of those people's corpses. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.320 And that is fucking horrifying. There is you know, obviously, yeah, 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.680 there's a reason why the Eneva Convention was like, holy shit, 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.000 like we can't have this. And but you know, obviously 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.800 this hasn't stopped you know this, this hasn't actually stopped 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.600 this happening. Like we we now live in effectively the 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.440 new Golden age of ethnic cleansing, right. I mean, the 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:07.760 the one point you million gozens, you fled their homes 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.200 after the Israelis told them, literally told them to flee 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:11.880 or die, which is that that's by the way, and 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:13.240 I don't want to be very clear about this. When 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.880 people talk about an evacuation order, that's what that is right. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.040 You know, this is an evacuation order from like a tsunami, right, Like, 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.320 It's not like there's a natural disaster coming. The thing 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.040 that is happening is the Israeli government has said you 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.440 must leave now or we are going to kill you. 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.400 And you know, and of course, the the other bleak 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.720 side of this, right is that with the quote unquote 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.480 evacuation order, the Israelis killed people who were fleeing anyways, 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:38.720 but you know. 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.280 And they had nowhere to fucking go, like they yeah, right, 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:43.320 Like yeah. 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.840 Evacuate does make it seem like a very like humanitarian 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.720 crisis when really that's all You're, right, But all they're 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.200 saying is like leave now or die in the next hours, 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.920 you know what I mean? Yeah, and evacuation that's like 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.160 a threat, Like it's just a death threat. 0:16:58.240 --> 0:16:58.640 Yeah. 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:00.920 If I was to stand as your bedroom and pull 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:02.680 the pin on a grenade and be like, I'm giving 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.760 you an evacuation order. Oh and I'm gonna eat this 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.000 grenade in here in five seconds, people wouldn't be like, oh, 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.240 that's reasonable. Turn the doors to your house as well, 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:11.760 just for funzies. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.159 Yeah, and you know, and so and so, I mean 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.320 this is this is, this is what's been happening in Gaza, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.560 right you won't pat you million gozens who fled their 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.200 homes and they've joined the one hundred and twenty thousand 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.720 Armenians who were ethnically cleansed in the Garol Kara Bach 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:29.680 by Bay Jean in September, which this is the era 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.520 we are living in right now, is an unfathomable era 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.240 of violence and ethnic cleansing. Right like none of none 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:40.640 of the international legal frameworks like did ship none, none 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.359 of none of the sort of you know, like the 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.760 none of them never again stuff like nah, you can, 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.960 you can, you can literally like you can ethnically cleanse 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:53.639 the Armenians again and nothing will fucking happen. Yeah, we 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.040 didn't do Ship. Yeah, I mean, right right now we are. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:02.600 We're averaging one one like mass scale ethnic cleansing a month, Jesus. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.520 And that is a fucking unbelievably bleak thing. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:10.560 And it's only done to populations that are systematically like dehumanized, 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.320 you know what I mean. Like that's the thing that's like, Oh, 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.200 people are used to seeing this group of people suffer. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.240 They're used to seeing these kinds this kind of population 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:24.200 just always die and be I don't know, bombed and stuff. 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:25.680 So I think a lot of people just kind of 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.639 gloss over it because they're just like, oh, this is 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:28.320 what happens to. 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:32.720 Them, and yeah, really keeps happening. Yeah, it's it's certainly 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.520 like not a coincidence that, like we there have been 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:38.200 other ethnic cleansings right in Africa, and like I said, 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.320 they're Hinjia Muslims. But like when it happens in the 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.920 Middle East or the Arab world or where we want 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:45.360 to say it, like it's not Arab world, I guess 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.240 because it HAPs to Curdish people too, but like yeah, 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.560 people are like, oh, well, another sad thing has happened, 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.679 like over there, and then it's very EASi, especially with 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:58.119 the way American news media only focuses on these parts 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.560 of the world, like they just point it and like, oh, 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.119 look sad, and then never give the context like me 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.800 it was explaining, and never give the background. And then 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.879 we're blindsided every two years by a fucking genocide or 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.760 an ethnic cleansing or a mass amatter because we don't 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.040 report on it, and then it pops up again and 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:18.760 no one understands. And yeah, I'm very bleak on the 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:19.520 media at the minute. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.080 Yeah, well, and I mean, I think, you know, the 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:27.240 important context to understand here is that the absolute horror 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:29.640 show that's happening in Gaza right now that israelis doing 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.879 this is one of the most extreme forms of it 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.720 they've ever done. But this is something they've been doing 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.080 from like the fucking moment they took the West Bank. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.800 This is this is what they were doing. And again 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:43.280 this is what never ended. 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:47.120 Really yeah, yeah, kept going. It was like quiet mostly 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:48.919 for a while people ignored it, but now it's just 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:50.440 really loud and it keeps happening though. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.359 Yeah, I mean, and you know, I think the the 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.120 oh god, what moment blank on the like continuous knock 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.159 by thing is the way that it's understood, well, is 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:05.120 what's called in Palestine in sort of settled colonial studies. 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.000 The line that people always say is that centered colonialism 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.560 is a structure, not an event. Like I said, It's 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:14.119 not a thing that just ends, right, it just is it. 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.399 It is that, you know, it is the air that 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.639 you breathe. It's the sort of you know, like it's 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:21.879 it's it's, it's, it's it's it's it's the walls of 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.840 the society that have been built to yeah, cage and 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:32.720 destroy people. Now you know, the the Israelis again, this 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.280 is the thing that when when when when sixty seven happens? 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.000 This is actually it's kind of a turning point in 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.800 the sense that like, there are groups of liberals who 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.240 had supported the Israelis in forty eight who were like, 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.639 whoa hold on, hold on, Like this is actually like 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:51.760 really stunningly illegal, and this doesn't do anything. But there's 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:53.440 a lot of people who who make it, who make 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.720 a distinction between Israel in forty eight and this Israel, 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.960 because this Israel, like the mask is off. There's no 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.639 there's nothing there anymore. Right, It's just we have we 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:07.399 have seized this land by military force, by attacking a 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.199 country who we were not at war with, and we 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.600 are now like systematically replacing the population of these places 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:18.479 with our population. And the consequence of this, this this 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.480 is Israel settler population. The consequence of this is that 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:25.800 there's now it's hard to get accurate numbers because these 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:30.400 people in theory aren't supposed to be there, but there's 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.440 something like five hundred somewhere between four and fifty and 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:36.879 five hundred thousand Israeli settlers in the West Bank and 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:41.160 another like two hundred thousand in East Jerusalem. And this 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.639 means that the settler population in if you count both 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.399