WEBVTT - Terrorized w/ Tarek Bishara

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 3>Done done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yay, that's messed up an SVU podcast. We're here with

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Kara Klank and every week we talk a

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<v Speaker 1>s V episodes crimes. They're based on interview hilarious and

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<v Speaker 1>talented guests from the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye sometimes not that, sometimes very serious, sometimes pretty serious.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, it's hilarious. Just popped out of my mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wouldn't say that. That's all actually the norm,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but interesting, we have very serious. We have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of interesting interviews coming up as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you were thinking of quitting the pod,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do it.

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<v Speaker 4>This isn't the.

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<v Speaker 2>Time and I do have to do am. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening. I was at the Moontower Festival the last

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<v Speaker 2>night of the fest. I mean, that's a mistake for

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<v Speaker 2>any audience member. We've been drinking free booze for four days.

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<v Speaker 2>We're tired, we're done. And I did meet a listener

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<v Speaker 2>in the bathroom and she's like, I came here to

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<v Speaker 2>see you, and I was like, honey, you picked the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong show.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was a bar show.

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<v Speaker 2>They kept all the TVs on, like WrestleMania was on

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<v Speaker 2>championship games. They would refuse to turn them off. This

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<v Speaker 2>is for the festival. I went up first. I did

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<v Speaker 2>maybe seven minutes. I don't think there was a joke

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<v Speaker 2>in there. And so if you are listening, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 2>you went to such an but the show was actually

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<v Speaker 2>called unhinged.

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<v Speaker 4>It it was called unhinged. Well you got what you

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<v Speaker 4>paid for, literally, so they got an uninched show.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just wanted to say thank you for coming

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<v Speaker 2>and I apologize for my unprofessionalism.

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<v Speaker 4>That's really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw in like more, you know, more more hinged. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, I ran into some cuties.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a listener at the Hermiceo, lovely guy who

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<v Speaker 1>spotted me with my fucking kids at the Hermiceo.

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<v Speaker 2>And which is a barm ceo is not a bar,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a babysitting sir.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a full it's a full romper room.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go before, if you go in the daylight hours.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the staff, Like I am interested in the

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<v Speaker 2>staff because they're obviously making money that they wouldn't make,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because when I used to go, I would

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<v Speaker 2>type there and it was empty. I would go to

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<v Speaker 2>the Hermiceo and tippity tap to nobody.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, now, yeah, what is it.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the bartenders from the Hermiceo have spun off

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<v Speaker 1>and opened their own place called Sam's Place that's over

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<v Speaker 1>on a little bit closer to Figaroa and it's very

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<v Speaker 1>hip and there. I went there with my friend and

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<v Speaker 1>this bartender who used to be like, you gotta keep

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<v Speaker 1>your kids out of the bar to me one time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, do you think I want them

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<v Speaker 1>in the bar. I'm chasing them. I am literally running

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<v Speaker 1>after them. They are terrorists, Like I don't know apropo

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<v Speaker 1>of today's episode. I was like, I'm like, I absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>don't want my kids in your dark bar. I'm grabbing

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<v Speaker 1>them by the shirt collar and dragging them out, like

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw him, and he's one of the guys

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<v Speaker 1>that runs this new place. He looked happy as a clam.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked so happy to be out of the robber room.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm happy for him. I think that should be.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you should have to work at the first

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<v Speaker 1>bar as your JV. That's your warm up, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you get to move up to the hip cool bar

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like hot babes and like natural wine.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I think the trajectory has to be. He

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<v Speaker 1>looked so happy. He gave me a huge smile. He

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<v Speaker 1>was so nice to me and my friend. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you love me without a kid, and that makes complete

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me. And yeah, but I had just gotten

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<v Speaker 1>back from Florida with my kids for five days.

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<v Speaker 4>Lovely little trip we took together.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was with them for you know, five full

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<v Speaker 1>days by myself, and I had to wake them to jarsyou.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't my sister I didn't master met me down there,

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<v Speaker 1>so we Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It was cute.

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<v Speaker 1>And and then my parents, my mom ended up being

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<v Speaker 1>down there and my dad joined like on the last day.

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<v Speaker 4>So like, I had a lot of family done there,

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<v Speaker 4>so it was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't I didn't end up finding a place to

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<v Speaker 1>watch drag Race, but it was fine.

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<v Speaker 4>I watched it when I got home. It's just listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved the performances, the outfits, the looks like I

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<v Speaker 2>had such a good time. It just was a little

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<v Speaker 2>obvious who was going to win. Yeah, and I missed

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<v Speaker 2>the reunions. I miss a little tip for tat let's

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<v Speaker 2>hit a chat, Like I'm annoyed, Like maybe I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think they should like add that more into the They're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make it part of the Lolla Perusa, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like not enough. They're trying to make people have

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<v Speaker 1>side combos.

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<v Speaker 4>And like you know, reconcile and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I just saw Jules fucking knocked it

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<v Speaker 1>out of the park in the reunion knocked it out,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean for the finale, knocked.

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<v Speaker 2>It out of the park, like killing. She looked great.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved her first performance. But that's the thing with

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<v Speaker 2>the reveals, you could tell she was focused on the

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<v Speaker 2>reveals and un zipping, and you know, it was great.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be able to do any of that, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was just like stop on zipping, stop looking,

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<v Speaker 2>stop thinking about what you're going to take off nex

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<v Speaker 2>But the.

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<v Speaker 4>Song from what we saw happened to Lydia this season.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>But then also with Anya, I'm like, can you have

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<v Speaker 2>one review? I'm like, you can't take.

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<v Speaker 4>Off the Colone a little something, But no, I thought Jules.

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<v Speaker 2>Knocks out of the park and she's about to have

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible They're both about to have an incredible career.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, but Lexie also like in her first performance

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<v Speaker 2>in her head and you can tell though she was thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>she was thinking she wasn't free, and there's like, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>But I did like her number I love. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just Jewels was magnificent in that first performance. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like so smooth, so silly, so everything.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I like, again, who do would you buy tickets for? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if Jewels was coming near me, I would buy tickets.

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<v Speaker 1>I would go see her, yeah, you know, but I

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<v Speaker 1>would go see Anya too. You know, I would absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>go see Anya. There's a lot of you know, everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>talking shit online.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait what are they saying? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, everybody's like, oh, Anya was boring in the finale.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like she won the season and Jewels won

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<v Speaker 1>the finale. It's like you have to decide, like what

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<v Speaker 1>who wins the show?

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And like my friend pointed out, like Sasha Valure's reveal

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever that happened, that was so like just out

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<v Speaker 1>of the park, out of nowhere, like crazy that it

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<v Speaker 1>was like undeniable. And I feel like they you know

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<v Speaker 1>that was it wasn't like undeniable. We have to give

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<v Speaker 1>it to jewels, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>No, a.

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<v Speaker 4>Bit of bagel? Do you never me? You never learn?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, why don't I wake up just a little earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so warm, it's so beautiful in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that looks like a gorgeous Podega bagel.

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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got recognized at my coffee shops today, so

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<v Speaker 2>then all the staff knows who they're messing with, Jake,

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<v Speaker 2>and they never messed with me.

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<v Speaker 4>They're all so nice.

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<v Speaker 2>But a woman ran to me, going I love you

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<v Speaker 2>and hugged me, and I'm like, I'm getting a Coopri

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<v Speaker 2>coffee tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>I sense it. Wait drag race.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, when Rue announced that they're all gonna get a tip,

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<v Speaker 2>Lexi revealed did her reveal? She did her Cabra reveal.

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<v Speaker 2>I really liked that as well. That was really funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just such a death because it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this say is over, then pit stuff's over, then fashion

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<v Speaker 2>photo reviews over, and I'm like, wait, it's like all

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<v Speaker 2>three and one. I know. Raven and Raja said they

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<v Speaker 2>already filmed the whole neck for all, so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>see them soon.

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<v Speaker 4>I think all start.

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<v Speaker 5>That's weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and that's I think I might be long

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like a it's like a fucking March Madness

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<v Speaker 1>style bracket thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a great season with nice light drama, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>too hard. I mean, I've cried. I love the parents episode.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I thought it was a great season, but

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<v Speaker 2>I for sure Anya was gonna win.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't born.

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<v Speaker 2>But by the end it was the same choreo over

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<v Speaker 2>and over.

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<v Speaker 4>But the song is long.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I get what people are saying, if that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying, yeah, but I also get what some people

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<v Speaker 2>are saying, which I feel too.

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<v Speaker 1>Is like I miss when it was like at the

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<v Speaker 1>Ace Hotel theater. Like I missed when it was like

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<v Speaker 1>in a big theater and it felt like a special event.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just kind of like a finale and they

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<v Speaker 1>bring in an audience and then they keep cutting to

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<v Speaker 1>the same like four attractive people in the audience the

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<v Speaker 1>entire time, Like that's it, you know, Like I want to.

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<v Speaker 4>I like it. But at the same time, I have

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<v Speaker 4>friends who have.

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<v Speaker 1>Gone to those finale tapings and say that they're torturous,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're ten hours, and like maybe it's faster to

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<v Speaker 1>have it just do it as in the studio where

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<v Speaker 1>like they have everything in place.

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<v Speaker 2>Who fucking then I think it was Monet who said

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<v Speaker 2>this that was funny on uh pitstop that Sam Starr's

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<v Speaker 2>family was like a black family at graduate at a

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<v Speaker 2>high school graduation. But they were like losing their minds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, thing they looked angry watching her perform. They

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<v Speaker 2>were like fuck yes, like this is so mad. How

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<v Speaker 2>good she was doing? So that was really cute.

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<v Speaker 1>So my kids are getting way better on the airplane

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<v Speaker 1>and watching their own shit. It's a lot easier. And

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<v Speaker 1>I got to watch two movies on the airplane, granted

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of pausing.

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<v Speaker 4>But I saw this movie Blink twice. Have you seen that?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 4>But I know it's Zoe Kravitz.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know Channing Tatum famously who follows me.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, oh famously.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot, but I didn't. I didn't see it, so

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<v Speaker 2>tell me more. It's super it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was really good, and I'm actually surprised

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't get more. Like I went online and was

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<v Speaker 1>like it was well reviewed, Like I think it has

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<v Speaker 1>like an eighty percent on Rotten Tomatoes.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, like it's like it's very beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very like like they're on an island for most

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, like it's fucked up. Like I bring it

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<v Speaker 4>up because it's fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>And it has like themes that I feel like we

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<v Speaker 1>see in SVU all the time, you know, themes about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, men, treatment of women, and like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to give away too much, but like it's there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of good twists too, Like it's really good.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you would like it. I think you should

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<v Speaker 4>watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I watched this other movie that I never fucking

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<v Speaker 1>heard of called Skincare with Elizabeth Banks.

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<v Speaker 4>I have seen it, so seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're both flying Delta bit I'm true, that's true. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's like I never even heard of it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big I love Elizabeth now because I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a billboard of it and I went, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to see it. And then someone next to

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<v Speaker 2>me was like, Wow, you're really taken by Billboard because

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I can, and so I go, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I am, and the cover is good. It's a Weirdoh

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<v Speaker 2>it's weird. It's a weird movie. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I read a review that was basically like

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<v Speaker 1>the script needed work, but Elizabeth Banks is so compelling,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of what I felt about it. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't know if the movie's good, but

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<v Speaker 1>I like watching her, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I liked those twists and turns too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was crazy that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I just I never I never taken any

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<v Speaker 1>new media, so I was like, I came prepared to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about these two new movies that I saw, but oh, also,

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<v Speaker 1>really quick, I just want to do a shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to a listener that wrote us a message that she's

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<v Speaker 1>running the London Marathon and she's going to be listening

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<v Speaker 1>to us while she runs the London Marathon. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if this is coming out, and we've already missed

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<v Speaker 1>the marathon, but I'm just here to tell you, run, bitch,

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<v Speaker 1>get your ass and gear, get to that finish line.

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<v Speaker 1>You got it. Good work.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I have something that So I met someone in Austin

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<v Speaker 2>her name is Madison Madison McGee, and she has a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast called Ice Cold Case.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you heard about this? No? She helps she's trying

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<v Speaker 4>to solve her dad's murder.

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<v Speaker 2>What. Yeah, And she's like talks to suspects. It's in

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<v Speaker 2>seasons and she's you know, with cops, it's all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's Ice Cold Case and she's trying to solve

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<v Speaker 2>her dad's murder. Wow. Telling me that she met like

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<v Speaker 2>a suspect and they ended up hugging. But it might

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<v Speaker 2>be him, and so I definitely want to listen to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'm excited. That's cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And the website looks very professed. I mean the success

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<v Speaker 1>La Jerry.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Cool.

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<v Speaker 6>Damn.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope she figures it out. I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, I watched I had to get her a shout out.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched the whole Karen Reid documentary on HBO Max.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to go over the break, like over the break.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I was, like, you know, watching with my

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<v Speaker 1>sister who had already seen it, but watched it again

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<v Speaker 1>with me because she's so obsessed with the Karen Reid case.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a wild fucking case. You don't know anything

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<v Speaker 1>about it really.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know some about it, I just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't watched it yet, so but people everyone brings

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<v Speaker 2>it up to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, yeah, you're gonna die when you see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like why do you keep going did she do it

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<v Speaker 1>or not? I don't think she did it, first of all.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think she did it second of all. Just

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<v Speaker 1>to like a synopsis for those of you that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea what we're talking about. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>crime that happened a few years ago in Boston area, Canton,

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<v Speaker 1>mass And basically this girl and her boyfriend, who is

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<v Speaker 1>a Boston cop. He goes into a house, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>come out of the house, and she goes, fuck you,

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<v Speaker 1>and she leaves all of the people. Then he's found

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<v Speaker 1>the next morning dead in the snow or dying in

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<v Speaker 1>the snow. And he dies soon after on the front

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<v Speaker 1>of the house. And everybody thinks she backed her car,

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<v Speaker 1>hit him with her car and left him there to die.

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<v Speaker 4>They were all wasted.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody in the house is a cop or a or

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking atf agent or like there's like federal agents.

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<v Speaker 4>Like everybody there is like cops. They own the town.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like corrupt and there's so much fucking sketchy information.

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<v Speaker 1>My thing is, worst case, even if she did hit

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<v Speaker 1>him with her car, I think it was manslaughter. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that you could say that she saw

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<v Speaker 1>him backed into him on purpose left in there, like

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't seem like the like what happened. So I think,

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<v Speaker 1>if anything, it's manslaughter. But I don't think she hit

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<v Speaker 1>him with the car. There's no there's not enough evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of evidence that is really fucking shady.

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<v Speaker 4>So why does the retrial just start? Why was there

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<v Speaker 4>a mistrial?

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<v Speaker 1>There was a mistrive because the jury literally could not

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<v Speaker 1>come to it to conclusion that half of them thought

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<v Speaker 1>that she did it and half of them thought or

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the exact like breakdown was of percentages,

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<v Speaker 1>but like they could not, Like the judge gave them

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<v Speaker 1>days and days and they kept coming back saying.

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<v Speaker 4>We are deadlocked.

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<v Speaker 1>So now there's going to be another trial that just started,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's turned into a full spectacle in this area.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you go to the courthouse, it's half people

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<v Speaker 1>in pink holding signs that say free Karen read and

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<v Speaker 1>half people in blue that say justice for John, and

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<v Speaker 1>like it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Justice for John. Doesn't mean Karen did it. That's one

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<v Speaker 4>of the friends, you know what I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean exactly, And I think it's it's also I actually

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<v Speaker 1>had to call my sister out a little bit on

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<v Speaker 1>some ingrained misogyny. I was like, she was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the woman does act really cocky and stuff, and I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're expecting people to act normal in not normal situations,

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<v Speaker 1>like she's fighting for her life. It's like we somebody

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<v Speaker 1>said that on this podcast, right, or who said that

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<v Speaker 1>is on an ice cold fact.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was the prosecutor and the girl in the box,

0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Caroline Stam's case, right, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So like exactly, like I'm like, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>same as like this girl I went to college with.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember I famously was on Dateline. She went on all

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<v Speaker 1>these talk shows and she was stoic, and everybody was like,

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<v Speaker 1>she fucking did it. People expect, especially women, to act

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<v Speaker 1>a very specific way, and Karen Reid is more than

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<v Speaker 1>you're hysterical. Yeah, And they are like, she didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>react in court this and that. It's like she's looking

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<v Speaker 1>down the barrel of spending her life in jail. She's

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<v Speaker 1>probably terrified, Like the way she's handling it. You might

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<v Speaker 1>not like it, but that doesn't mean anything, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And my sister was actually like, oh, I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>think about that. You're right, that is like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of misogyny, like because I was like, everybody's just I

0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.200
<v Speaker 1>think people are judging her innocence and guilt. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a bad relationship, she didn't have a motive to

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<v Speaker 1>murder this guy.

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<v Speaker 4>They literally and.

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<v Speaker 2>We know not to trust the police. Wasted cops. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>more investigating into them.

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<v Speaker 1>The craziest part there are all these phone calls between

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<v Speaker 1>the cops, their wives, all these people from the party.

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<v Speaker 1>They all get on the stand and claim that they're

0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.720
<v Speaker 1>butt dialing each other. They're all claiming that their butt

0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:49.800
<v Speaker 1>dials saying that on the stand, like there's there's text

0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:54.040
<v Speaker 1>messages from the trooper who is leading the case going

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<v Speaker 1>with his friend going is she hot and him going yeah,

0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.240
<v Speaker 1>she's hot, weird fall river accent though, no ass like

0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.040
<v Speaker 1>rating her body. The woman who's the suspect in the

0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.679
<v Speaker 1>case that you're the lead trooper on. They call him

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<v Speaker 1>out on the stand, They make him they make him

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<v Speaker 1>like read the text or they read the text to him.

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<v Speaker 4>It's fucking wild. There's so many good.

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<v Speaker 1>Twists, Like it's five episodes, I think, and it's uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because I also just got Michelle McNamara's book finally,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, you know, and that's gonna that's gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>at least a.

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<v Speaker 4>Year for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I read that when it came out, and

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<v Speaker 1>it took me a while. I mean, like, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>got and that's got Paul holes all over it. Our

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<v Speaker 1>line now Paul holes.

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<v Speaker 2>But I speaking of cases, I got definitely have to

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<v Speaker 2>watch that.

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<v Speaker 4>We're recording this.

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<v Speaker 2>Luigi has trial in two days, one pm on Friday.

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<v Speaker 4>I will be gone again.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but last week Pennsylvania, you know, the defense attorney

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<v Speaker 2>did all these motions for the evidence to be thrown out.

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<v Speaker 2>They missed their deadline. The prosecution truly missed their deadline

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<v Speaker 2>to respond. But of course they're gonna get ext Like,

0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.959
<v Speaker 2>no one is gonna follow through that. But I've met

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer in Austin when I was there for Moontower,

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<v Speaker 2>and we talked a lot about the case, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was just saying, and she goes, they're breaking all these

0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.240
<v Speaker 2>Brady violations by not handing over evidence and all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But she said, that's why the terrorism charge is there,

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<v Speaker 2>because if the terrorism charge goes, you don't have to

0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.399
<v Speaker 2>follow anyone's human rights or civil right, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Like, Oh, that's why they're doing it. They

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<v Speaker 2>know it's not terrorism. But if if you make it

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<v Speaker 2>a terrorism case, you get to break all these rules

0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.760
<v Speaker 2>that you can't if it's just like a regular try.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's something that I learned from her, because I

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<v Speaker 2>had all these questions because you know, the court documents.

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<v Speaker 4>Are I figured.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm like, it's on top of that, it's

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<v Speaker 1>also just like a fucking make him a poster child

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<v Speaker 1>for like you know, you know they're trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to make vandalizing a tesla a terrorist act,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know they're they're thrown around terrorism real loose

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<v Speaker 1>these days, which is very apropo of today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess person on a governor's house isn't terror?

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<v Speaker 1>Not terrors?

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<v Speaker 4>Weird trying to kidnap the governor of Michigan, Like, is

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<v Speaker 4>that terrorism?

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<v Speaker 2>So strange that that's not, and so strange that our

0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.439
<v Speaker 2>government's you know, our president's so into anti Semitism, but

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<v Speaker 2>not when it's the first night of passover and the

0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.359
<v Speaker 2>governor is fleeing his home. But you know, my god,

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<v Speaker 2>picker choose, picker, choose. We did really good for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>the interest, Yeah, the American except you started the Valley.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I haven't, I haven't, is it is it? I missed.

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<v Speaker 1>I missed almost all my Bravo last week while I

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<v Speaker 1>was gone, except I watched the last reunion.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel sad the way garcel went out.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm good she left, but I just think

0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.199
<v Speaker 1>it's like she was a great, a great housewife, and

0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.639
<v Speaker 1>it just sucks. She goes out on this note and

0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Sutton and none of them will ever get her. They

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<v Speaker 1>will never look in word.

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<v Speaker 4>Didn't even stand up for her.

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<v Speaker 2>No Ston, And then going back to the green room,

0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.040
<v Speaker 2>going we were supposed to do supper. Why didn't garcels

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<v Speaker 2>sit and wait for me while I'm taking photos and

0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:03.880
<v Speaker 2>talking shit about her with all these people that don't

0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:04.320
<v Speaker 2>like her.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, It's it's ridiculous. I hate the word supper. Oh,

0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I know, she sucks.

0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.959
<v Speaker 2>They all suck, and they a oh I've had it

0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:16.800
<v Speaker 2>much worse. Yeah, and you all run off crying all

0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:18.840
<v Speaker 2>the time, and you're always late, So the fact that

0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.840
<v Speaker 2>you're saying anything about her being unprofessional is crazy.

0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:23.879
<v Speaker 4>She's worked more than all of you combined.

0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:30.199
<v Speaker 1>Kyle looked like a fucking high school me trying to

0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:31.800
<v Speaker 1>hide the fact that I had a party while my

0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.280
<v Speaker 1>parents were out of town, like that entire reunion, like.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she just looked like a fucking like unable to

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<v Speaker 1>do a convincing lie one time, like she could not

0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.320
<v Speaker 1>lie she could, she was trapped by every question like

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<v Speaker 1>it was wild to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but yeah, I just thank god Garcia chose herself

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<v Speaker 2>and said, I don't need this.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't need this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to be around people who do not

0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.919
<v Speaker 2>like me, do not want to understand me, are so

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<v Speaker 2>cold to me. Nothing, everything's brushed aside, even with Andy,

0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.800
<v Speaker 2>and it is like none of them want to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all just like, well I've had to answer, and

0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like okay, m hmm, well she's gone, so yeah,

0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:13.000
<v Speaker 2>have fun, have fun.

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<v Speaker 4>While she is like it's always what about ism, It's like,

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<v Speaker 4>well you're feeling you all run off, you all cry

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<v Speaker 4>and run off and threw yeah yeah, yeah, like you

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<v Speaker 4>know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean none of them are professional. That's why they're

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<v Speaker 2>on this fucking show. And Garcel's gonna go get real jobs. Now, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is a real job.

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<v Speaker 4>I love. I mean it is a bit. She's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>get acting jobs, you know, and producing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I do have one more thing, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we always have a split screen because we have notes.

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<v Speaker 2>We have the zoom and we have notes, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have three tabs open that are all Tetris, the same

0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Tetris website. It's had a hold on me now again

0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:52.120
<v Speaker 2>for too long, but someone told me that if something

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<v Speaker 2>traumatic and awful happens to you, the first thing you

0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 2>should go do not the first, but you should immediately

0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.080
<v Speaker 2>start playing Tetris because I guess it helps. I never

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<v Speaker 2>know how to say the word apartmentalized, department, Yeah, parentalized

0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.240
<v Speaker 2>your trauma and stuff, and then it like helps you

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<v Speaker 2>figure shit out. So if something awful happens to you,

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<v Speaker 2>you should be playing Tetris.

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<v Speaker 1>I literally downloaded Tetris to my phone three days ago. WHOA,

0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.840
<v Speaker 1>isn't that crazy. I've never had it on my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>I just downloaded it and was like, I keep getting

0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:25.800
<v Speaker 1>targeted for all these like really high death ads you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like where the blocks look really three D and like

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<v Speaker 1>it looks really satisfying to watch the lines like crush

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<v Speaker 1>and go away. So I was like, you know what,

0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not buying one of these, but I'm gonna, like

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<v Speaker 1>fucking just download regular Tetris. And the other day I

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.080
<v Speaker 1>played it. After being with my kids for a week,

0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.920
<v Speaker 1>I just was on my couch. I just played Tetris

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<v Speaker 1>for like half an hour.

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<v Speaker 4>Trauma. That's my trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, so I was on Mark Marin's podcast, and obviously

0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.439
<v Speaker 2>I know it's a really popular podcast, and I know

0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:54.240
<v Speaker 2>it's like a big deal.

0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:55.520
<v Speaker 4>It was something I've wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do for a long time, but the amount of people

0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.200
<v Speaker 2>that have written to me is insane.

0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:00.800
<v Speaker 4>I didn't realize this popular.

0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.840
<v Speaker 2>And me and him named names, We talked shit, people

0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.720
<v Speaker 2>got strays that did not deserve it, and I am like, oh,

0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:08.920
<v Speaker 2>oh no.

0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 4>We're not gonna do it. Got clean up on Aisle four.

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Some people are reaching out like oh my god, thanks

0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:18.080
<v Speaker 2>for saying my name or like that was so nice,

0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:21.000
<v Speaker 2>and then other people are like, oh my god, They're

0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:21.800
<v Speaker 2>like why'd you hit?

0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:27.680
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, that's so fucking funny.

0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:31.280
<v Speaker 2>I know it's it's so silly, but he's just he

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 2>was just he's like me, you know, he's messy as well.

0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.640
<v Speaker 2>So we we had some fun, but.

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.240
<v Speaker 1>I like, I could honestly see it going either way

0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:42.280
<v Speaker 1>of YouTube getting along.

0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:44.760
<v Speaker 2>No, And right away he goes, yeah, I always see you,

0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:47.360
<v Speaker 2>but I ignore you or like we've never talked. I go, yeah,

0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe we'll stop ignoring each other. We truly make eye

0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 2>contact and don't acknowledge each other for years, for years,

0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:55.639
<v Speaker 2>So you are right. But I got to pet his

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.480
<v Speaker 2>cats and he was amazing and like, it was you

0:23:58.680 --> 0:23:59.200
<v Speaker 2>really and.

0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:01.240
<v Speaker 4>You were in the garage? Was this when you were

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<v Speaker 4>in La?

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.680
<v Speaker 4>The garage? Yeah yeah yeah?

0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.359
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so so he went to a hotel to

0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:09.680
<v Speaker 2>meet with like mel Brooks, you know, but I think

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:12.360
<v Speaker 2>it's garage unless you're Obama, you.

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 4>Know, I gotta go to the garage.

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, I didn't know if it was maybe like

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.919
<v Speaker 1>zoom or something. But yeah, wow, well that's cool. I

0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:21.760
<v Speaker 1>met him last a Christmas ago and he was really nice.

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 2>But for five minutes, yeah, he's like, I don't know.

0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I definitely like got the chalk. I understand why he's like,

0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:29.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, getting the fuck young women.

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:30.400
<v Speaker 4>I guess. Yeah.

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:33.200
<v Speaker 1>My friend is a longtime listener and very beautiful woman,

0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, I love Mark Marin like I want to.

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I want to tell him that I think I could

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.879
<v Speaker 1>fix him, like, you know, like she like loves it.

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 2>No, I've been really hot. Women have been like, oh

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 2>my god, how was he? I go, very charming, I understand,

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I understand. The people I like totally get it. And

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:50.920
<v Speaker 2>his house is built for the cats. It's like all

0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:52.840
<v Speaker 2>for the cats. I go, Wow, the cats really room

0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 2>this place.

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like oh yeah, trick, so, oh my god, Wait,

0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.679
<v Speaker 1>that's so funny that you guys talk shit hilarious.

0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:04.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, well we're getting started. We're gonna get started.

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Go to you know, go to That's messed up live

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:08.679
<v Speaker 1>dot com if you want to check out any of

0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 1>our merch or you can go if you scroll down

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 1>to Liza's website, that takes you to all her tour dates,

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and she's got a bunch of tour dates coming in.

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 4>And now we're here.

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry I had to postpone San Francisco.

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:20.440
<v Speaker 4>We have a new date.

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be November sixth, seventh, and eighth, so I

0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:24.800
<v Speaker 2>will be there soon. I think they're still going to

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.560
<v Speaker 2>refund you because it's like too long to hold people's money,

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:31.360
<v Speaker 2>But just buy him again if you're in town in November.

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Sorry about that, But Atlanta has just been added. I've

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 2>never done stand up care and I've done the pod there.

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 2>I've never done stand up in Atlanta ever, so I'm

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:41.720
<v Speaker 2>excited to do that. That's we'llby June and I'm going

0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 2>to Charlotte, so a lot of fun ahead of me.

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 2>And then Australia. I'm there, our listeners, Australia down and wait,

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to Australia and New Zealand right yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 2>but you know what else?

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:54.719
<v Speaker 4>I just did a fundraiser for child abuse.

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:56.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but it was in an Australia themed

0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 2>bar in the South Seaport, like past Battery Park, like

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 2>so so far low Hugh Jackman might be an investor,

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 2>but everyone had an Australian accent.

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 4>It was crazy, that's crazy.

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:08.920
<v Speaker 1>There used to be an Australian restaurant on the Upper

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 1>West Side that I would go to for bottomless Mamosa

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>brunch and they served the craziest, weird Australian food and

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 1>everyone that worked there was an Australian.

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, they love to travel and they love

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 4>to stick together. I don't know.

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 2>But the Great White in La, the Great White Shark Place,

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that's an Australian place. I just went there for the

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 2>first time like two weeks ago. I'd never been a

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Panta Monica. The Larch Larchmont. Yeah, I love it. No,

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:33.399
<v Speaker 2>the food was delicious. I had a great I had

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 2>a great meal. I had a really good time there.

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:39.160
<v Speaker 2>It's very pretty all right, let's get started. We've got

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:45.840
<v Speaker 2>a good one for you. All right, we will be

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 2>doing the episode Terrorized, season eighteen, episode one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Fun, what you're shaking your head now?

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Why, It's just like it's just like, of course, of course,

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Stu was just like we got to get in the

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 1>mix on all these things that were happening.

0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:05.440
<v Speaker 4>At the time. It's just like, is it so many things.

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I honestly don't remember anything about this episode except this

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:12.720
<v Speaker 2>huge cold open that I've always been like, wait, what

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 2>episode is that?

0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 4>And it's fucking this yeah yeah yeah.

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>But like at this time, you know, September twenty first,

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.680
<v Speaker 1>the day after my birthday in twenty sixteen, this episode

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 1>came out and we were still you know, blissfully in

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>a pre Trump America. But there was a lot of

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:33.640
<v Speaker 1>terrorist stuff happening, and like, obviously that's the show was like, well,

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 1>we got to dip a toe in, you know, we.

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 4>Got to dip in a terrorist toe.

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually doing a terrorism joke right now and people

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 2>want to not like it, but they like it. They

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 2>have to, and it's been really a fun journey to

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:48.119
<v Speaker 2>work on.

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 4>Anyways, I will get into that.

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, God, it's so stupid that Hillary didn't win.

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 4>It's like, imagine how like different everything would be.

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh so we open on cheery music, so that's kind

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 2>of exciting, but then of course, oh no, JK. The

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 2>greens are lush, it's a gorgeous day. There's kids with

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.239
<v Speaker 2>balloon hats. There's a balloon guy making balloons, and then

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 2>a woman and a small boy walking hand in hand.

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:18.120
<v Speaker 2>We're not going to make any assumptions to their relationship.

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 2>He runs off to go to the ballue. Art of course,

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 2>a kid wants that. She chases after him. She's like

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:27.399
<v Speaker 2>Ali Ali, and but while she's running to catch him, bam,

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 2>a bike hits her. She falls like, spins in the air,

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 2>falls on the ground. It's really, it's.

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 4>Really and this was like a real fuck, Like I, yeah.

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 2>This happened to me when I was a child. What Yeah,

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 2>when I was in summer camp in Chicago, Isla. It

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 2>was on Peterson but I don't it was at a park.

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 2>It was like a park district camp and I was

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 2>crossing just like a bike path and a bike fucking

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 2>hit me, and I remember it's.

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, could you not that's traumatic?

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah, I remember being like, oh, fuck, when

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>this lady gets hit.

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's not it's not.

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 2>A well and we'll get to well. Just there's so

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 2>much people run to help her. We're in Central Park,

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, everyone's all hands on deck. But Alia doesn't

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 2>fucking notice. He's getting balloons made. Kids are surrounding him.

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 2>And now we cut to Benson. She's at the park.

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 2>She's spinning Noah. It's by one of the statues. I

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know if I've seen the statue, but it's one

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 2>of them. And she has a coffee. Her hair is shiny,

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>just like a normal mom at the park. And it

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 2>is our favorite era of Noah, Baby Noah, no offense

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 2>to bisexual Noah.

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 4>So now, oh my god.

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 2>So then she like wants to throw away her coffee

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 2>cup and wants in the garbage a newspaper with a

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 2>photo of odds, and that stresses her out. Obviously, this

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>is season eighteen, episode one, so the finale was when

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 2>we lost baby Dots. So then her phone rings, it's crazy.

0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 2>She's like, oh, I'm actually at the park with Noah.

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 2>We'll head down to eighty four. So we find this boy.

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't speak English. She's playing in like a sandbox.

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 2>And then the uniform cop you know, did the right thing, Olivia,

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, involving Olivia like he he seems young and inept.

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 2>So then hand in hand with Noah, she approaches Ali.

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 2>She's using her little baby voice. He responds by saying

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>boom and knocking down. Not a sand castle? What do

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 2>you call it when it's like a sand bucket mold?

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:28.800
<v Speaker 4>Is there a name? Beadcastle? It's not a sand castle.

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 2>No, I need a little more construction for it to

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 2>be a castle.

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh, like just one lump. It was one bucket lump.

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>If it's a one bucket lump, it's a one bucket lump.

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's a name. I think it's the

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>beginnings of a sand castle, but it's not. Yeah, I

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>think there should be a name, you know. It's like, yeah,

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I get what you're saying, though, You're like, I need

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 1>like two structures the beginnings of a moat, like there

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:50.959
<v Speaker 1>has to be more for a sand castle.

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 2>So this little boy crawls into his backpack. Guess what

0:30:56.560 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 2>he takes out not an uncrustable a gun. He points

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 2>the gun on Benson and so obviously she like, you know,

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 2>say it puts Noah behind her.

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 4>The uniform gun.

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Takes its truly so shocking, Like this is a kid

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>that's seen guns being used before.

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 4>He's not like playing with it. He's like, what's up?

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Like he looks like a man holding a gun, Like

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like he's holding it kind

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>of right, I.

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Know, but he still looks like a little kid to me.

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 2>And that's why, Yeah, I feel crazy. When the uniform

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>guy aims the gun at the.

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Kid, totally I thought that was crazy too, But I

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>was like, she's like, chill.

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Out, chill out, we don't yet tryal she grabs the

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 2>gun from the kid. The kid's not like fighting this woman,

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 2>and she takes the clip out. There is a bullet.

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 2>She breathes really intensely as she hugs Noah. We hear

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 2>sirens in the background, and it's the credits, So we're

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 2>back from the credits. We're at the hospital and the

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 2>boy is fine physically and not sexually abused, but definitely

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 2>has trauma if he like has a gun in his backpack.

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 2>His language seems like Eastern European Russian, it's not Russian,

0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 2>and they're looking for translators and hopefully, you know the boy,

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 2>we could talk to this boys soon. They're trying to

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 2>track down his family. Creasy rushes in with Rollins and

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Finn with some bad news for Benson. The lady that

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 2>got hit with the bike, she didn't make it. And

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 2>that's what I wanted to mention too. It's like people

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 2>don't think bicycle that's a bad accident. It's a bad accident.

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Freck sat outside her bar, a guy was all like,

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 2>all just hit a woman, and she goes like, you

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 2>got to be off the fucking sidewalks and parks and

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 2>wherever you fucking bicycle. Like it's really I really hate

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 2>the bicycle community in this the electric one, especially like

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 2>if you're not following all the rules and the lights

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 2>and the directions like go fuck yourself. It is it's

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 2>deadly force. It's like not casual and and this proves it.

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 2>This lady is dead son and they don't refer to

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 2>the mom. So we're like fuck so and so like

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 2>witnesses help put this together and like that they saw

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 2>this woman with the kid and they she did have

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 2>an idea on her. Her name is Raheema Bobbitt. She

0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:00.040
<v Speaker 2>has a city card with an address and a story. No,

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 2>but they found kids subscreen in her bag now with

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>the glock. It's unregistered, but they're searching with the serial number,

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>and Benson wants.

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 4>To keep the crime.

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 2>And the kid got the gun from somewhere and we

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 2>need to find who the fuck this is, Like Benson

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 2>has personal vendetta and now you know Noah's involved, Like no, no, no, no.

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 4>They head to a story.

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>They check out Bobbik's apartment, Rollin's increas here there all

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 2>the evidence points to the boy lives there. And you

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 2>know the evidence is just snacks in the fridge, but

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 2>in a bag with his name embroidered on it, so

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 2>he could be visiting. I don't understand when they jump

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 2>to these weird conclusions with kitchen fines always in his

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 2>little bag. There's a photo of him and his mother,

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 2>and there's also a daily schedule. There's two pages of instructions,

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 2>and then also a letter says, Raheema, no matter what happens,

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 2>tell him I love him more than anything in the world.

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't sound good. So she doesn't know when or

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 2>if she's coming back. That's what this letter is proving.

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 2>And then Finn comes in with a neighbor that knew

0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>the deceased, and he also has seen the woman from

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 2>the photo a couple of times too. She would dump

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 2>the kid there, so that's like, you know, you don't

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 2>have to use the word dump. This man has been

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 2>in four SVU episodes. He looked familiar. He works a lot,

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 2>but it's we know him from SVU. Robert s.

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 4>Kirk. He said that they argued a lot.

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 2>He says always something with these people, and Finn goes

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 2>what people, He goes immigrants stuff like He's.

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 4>Like, what kind of question is that.

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Finn goes, sure, and your people came here on the Mayflower, okay,

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 2>and he got he looks gotten, so he leaves. I

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.799
<v Speaker 2>love that part and then rollins is like, we need

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 2>to find this boy's mother. Do you have any ideas?

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 2>He's like, well, I think she was a waitress, you know,

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know. Don't ask me where. And Rollins

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 2>is ready to do detective work. And she saw that

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the leftovers in the fridge all came from one place,

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 2>a diner called the Parthenon Classic. I feel like the

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 2>food is good. I would go there, Cristinos it it's

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 2>on thirty if they have great spawn of Copada.

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:54.439
<v Speaker 4>I fucking hate him right.

0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Now, Like, you're right, it's always a fucking why would

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 2>he know he's from Staten Island and you're telling me

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>he knows a Greek diner on thirtieth in Queens.

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he is like diners are to him like

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Catholic schools are to Stabler, right, Like just this stupid

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>encyclopedic knowledge of them that makes no sense. And also

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna say, I don't think Spana Copa.

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 4>Is ever like Killer. It's fine.

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm never like, oh, the best Spanic cop but I've

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>had a lot of Spanac. Maybe it's because you've never

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 1>been to the Parthenon. Never I've been to the Parthenon. Yeah, yeah,

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>you're right, that's probably it. That is definitely it.

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:28.879
<v Speaker 4>But yeah.

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 2>So and then Chester Lake, it's any structure that his

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:32.439
<v Speaker 2>family built.

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.359
<v Speaker 4>He knows everything and where it is. Yeah.

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 2>And then Finn knows every narcotics undercover agent, and.

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Liv knows every designer label. Yeah, and Robins knows every

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>stat of every athlete. That's like every any any guy's

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>girl fact, yeah, guy's girl facts.

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:53.320
<v Speaker 4>So whatever.

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:56.800
<v Speaker 2>We're at the Parthenon and the manager knows the photo.

0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 2>He goes, that's anakopic and this guy's hot. And she

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:01.799
<v Speaker 2>has not shown up to work for three days, but

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 2>that's usual. She comes and goes. He puts up with it.

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't give a fuck. He didn't know that she

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:08.359
<v Speaker 2>even had a son. And then he of course says,

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 2>oh poor thing. Rollins asks questions. He says that she

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:13.439
<v Speaker 2>would show up with a black eye all the time

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and bruises so and he's down to give any info.

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 2>Anything up, And they head to the address. Guess what it's.

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:24.240
<v Speaker 2>It's a vacuum like cleaner, fixer place, home goods store.

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 2>There's no apartments there. The phone is a burner. So

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.719
<v Speaker 2>we're back to like square one. So the kid as

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 2>a gun there's fake photo and addresses, there's bruises. She

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.280
<v Speaker 2>could be a sex worker on the run or dealing

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 2>with some dealers. This is Rollin's in her judgmental era.

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 2>She's like, well, maybe the kid's better off with social

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 2>services and Chrissy goes, no, I mean the note she

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 2>laugh made it seem like she did love her son,

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 2>and hello, she's bruised up. Rollins goes, well, sometimes Lovin

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 2>eight enough, And I'm like, okay, is this like Kim

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Rowlins residual trauma? Why you're such a bitch. She's such

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:58.760
<v Speaker 2>a bitch. Benson and Tucker are doing a brisk walking talk.

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 2>It's been ten hours and they are nowhere. Benson's obviously

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:06.279
<v Speaker 2>personally affected. Benson gets a call and she goes, great,

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm on my way. She kisses Tucker. So we're in

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 2>their dating moment, and this I will actually never forgive.

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Where light the writer's production, everyone on this. The fact

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 2>that Tucker and her could not have ended up together

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 2>and done great things at the Bureau, or at least

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 2>broken up in a chill way so they could go

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 2>back together, is fucked up.

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 4>You're nodding, But I need the people to know that

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 4>you agree with me, I'm not. I'm completely agree for me.

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 4>He was her person.

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 2>It kisses me and he had growth and change and

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 2>he's hot and was older and like, I don't know,

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 2>I love Noah.

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:41.440
<v Speaker 1>They went to fucking the beginning of this episode, doesn't

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 1>she go, you want me to fly you like the

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 1>plane we took to Paris. It's like they went on

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>a romantic trip to Paris. And he was like, yes,

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 1>bring your kid, sure, let's do it. You know, I

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 1>will never forgive. I will never forgive for this.

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 2>So she bumps into the chief Daddy Dads and you know,

0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:58.320
<v Speaker 2>she's kind of that fault for his son dying.

0:37:58.400 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 4>So the tension is real.

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 2>There's resent and yeah, he's being icy as fuck and

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:07.280
<v Speaker 2>he's holding meetings without her. They give each other dust stairs.

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 2>She's like, I am lieutenant, I should be in the meeting,

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:11.760
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, no, no one wants you in the meeting.

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, and he walks off, but not

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 2>before glancing over to the side of her, and it's

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 2>an immemorium photo of his son, Baby Dodds.

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 4>So this is intense, but.

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:28.160
<v Speaker 1>It was it was I thought it was baby Dodds's

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 1>like fault, wasn't it not to victim blame.

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 2>But like she shouldn't have left. She shouldn't have left.

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:38.040
<v Speaker 2>She should have just pushed the woman out. She like

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 2>left with one of the hostages and left him alone.

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:42.719
<v Speaker 2>And he did a bad police work because he was

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 2>a young, unexperienced detective that only got the job from nepotism.

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 2>So it's actually his dad's fault, Yeah, for putting him

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:53.160
<v Speaker 2>in the line of duty in a job he was

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:55.919
<v Speaker 2>not prepared for or ready for. Her he did that bad,

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:59.319
<v Speaker 2>But she shouldn't have left. Yeah, I never really think

0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 2>of it as her fault, but like I thought she

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:04.879
<v Speaker 2>was just like she's trying to get them. She makes

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:07.840
<v Speaker 2>everything about her, so she better at least holds some

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 2>blame for this, Like, yeah, there are things where she

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 2>like took a swab and then the girl did and

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh, I wasted, you know what I mean.

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 2>It's just like haa, I don't know. It's complicated. It's complicated, Yeah,

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:18.800
<v Speaker 2>of course.

0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So he's also he's he's very freshly grieving, so yes,

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 1>yeah he should get another job.

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 2>So whiteboard colage time, the lab got a partial off

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:35.919
<v Speaker 2>the block. It's Luca'sterzik twenty six born in New York.

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Anna is Bosnian Coloriana whatever, I'm gonna switch it up.

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Anna is Bosnian national on a student visa. And we

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 2>have an apartment for Luca and queens. Finn and Grease

0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:47.720
<v Speaker 2>are gonna head down, but Benson's like, oh, I'm coming

0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:49.440
<v Speaker 2>the fuck with you, and I need to find out

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 2>why this kid had a glock. And they arrive obviously

0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 2>no answer at the door. Finn shoulders the door open,

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 2>dramatic music. They turn on the lights, white walls. So

0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 2>that's like I think of spy movies. It's like born

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 2>identity shit, there's nothing. It's sparse, like no one cares

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 2>about furniture we have. There is a family photo. It

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:12.920
<v Speaker 2>is Luca, Anna and the boy, and it seems like

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:15.479
<v Speaker 2>someone left in a hurry. The hard drive is gone.

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 2>They're searching slowly. Finn opens the door and uh, oh,

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 2>we got a problem. It's a room of machine guns,

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 2>so many guns, bombs, wires, I'm talking like three dozen

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:28.600
<v Speaker 2>weapons and then there's two frames and in them Arabic words.

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.879
<v Speaker 2>So we need to call terrorism. So we call ESU

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 2>Joint Terrorism and the bomb squad. Now we have a

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 2>walk and talk with Daddy, Dodds and Benson. So Luca

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 2>is a US citizen, Anna is a legal immigrant. They're

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.919
<v Speaker 2>not on any watch lists. There are no known connections.

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 2>He wants to grill the kids. She's like, he is four.

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:48.959
<v Speaker 2>He goes, I don't care, Okay, So whatever. The Feds

0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:51.319
<v Speaker 2>are there, but everyone's down to work together. This is

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 2>obviously like a huge thing and they need to find

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>these people because they're obviously planning a mass casualty effect.

0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.839
<v Speaker 2>All media outlets, precincts have their photos all hands on deck,

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 2>round the clock shifts and teamwork.

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:05.280
<v Speaker 4>It's like busy.

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a busy precinst Rollin's and Creasy come running to

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Odds and they got something. A management company

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.239
<v Speaker 2>for the apartment building and rent on his apartment is

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 2>paid by a guy named armand Saedron. So they go

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:19.839
<v Speaker 2>to a midtown office address. They're rushing over there, bulletproof

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 2>vest brigade. They find him, arrest him. A hardcore he's

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:25.319
<v Speaker 2>a business suit guy. He's like, what the fuck, I'm

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 2>a US citizen. I mean, this is all really fucked

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 2>up to be reading as people are getting snatched off

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 2>the streets. For all the different citizenships they have. So

0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 2>but whatever, Armand does know Luca, he's not denying it.

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.920
<v Speaker 2>It's his half brother. He pays his rent because he's broke,

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and then he's like, what the fuck is going on?

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 2>What's going on? He's like, you got the wrong guy,

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:49.320
<v Speaker 2>like my brother, what are you guys doing here? Creasey

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 2>grabs its phone and says, call your brother, call him now,

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, how about it, call my lawyer.

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Creasy grabs the phone, finds Luca's you know number in

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 2>their last call was yesterday at nude. The guy's starting

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:04.360
<v Speaker 2>to look concerned and this guy, if you is the

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:07.839
<v Speaker 2>father from the Street Gang and street Wise. So a

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 2>huge moment for us as watchers of SVU. This less

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Eyeliner than his season nine episode. The moment Luca answers,

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 2>he starts screaming in his native language and to me,

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 2>I wrote, in all caps, I mean dumb ough to

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.120
<v Speaker 2>not leave the room is so stupid. They could have

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 2>been like, hey, we have your brother, he's in the hospital.

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Like there's so many things like this is the dumbest

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:33.839
<v Speaker 2>choice on Caresee's part.

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 4>Finn jumps on him to shut his ass up.

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Cresey's begging him not to hang up, but obviously Luca

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 2>is gone. They get Taru involved and he goes, I,

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, my brother's innocent, and I demand a lawyer.

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Crisy says, shut up. Taru finds the phone location, but

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.320
<v Speaker 2>the phone's just in a dumpster, screen cracked and locked.

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.360
<v Speaker 2>So business brother keeps being like, my brother's poor and dumb,

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 2>like he wouldn't do this. I pay for I do

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 2>everything because he's poor and dumb. So what do we do? Now?

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:02.400
<v Speaker 2>We gotta call Barbara. So we're in chambers. It's Judge

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Carry. Barbara is begging for permission to make the

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 2>phone company and manufacture give the past codes to the

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:13.120
<v Speaker 2>private phone because of public safety, should companies on lock phones?

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:16.880
<v Speaker 4>I say no, never, but I mean I don't know,

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 4>like I'm going to talk about it a little bit

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:23.720
<v Speaker 4>in the park. Yeah, well, because yeah, I'm curious.

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So judge doesn't like it, but these are unique circumstances.

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Of course, Barbara gets his way, but even the judge

0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 2>is like, okay, but the company could still fight and

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 2>appeal this, but you know, I'm fine with you doing it,

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.720
<v Speaker 2>And that's what they're doing the manufacturers refusing to unlock

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 2>because that obviously sets up a fucked up precedent, and

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 2>we don't want companies giving our shit up to the government.

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah but okay, So Dodds is impatient and Benson is like,

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 2>we're trying our best because I don't trust the government.

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:53.800
<v Speaker 4>Okay. So anyway, so he says, try harder.

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Finn interrupts the because I would I would like to

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 2>be able to help stop a terrorist to sack if

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 2>that's what my phone needed to do or had the

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 2>information wildly but right, tough, Okay, so he says, try harder.

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Fit interrupts this uncomfortable energy again. The death, the death.

0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.760
<v Speaker 2>So they got something Cariesian Avess. He says that facial

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:19.399
<v Speaker 2>recognition got a hit on traffic cam twenty minutes ago,

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 2>and it's Luca and a woman that looks like on him.

0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 2>They're entering Central Park on west side of seventy second Street.

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:27.399
<v Speaker 2>It's afternoons, so many people are in the park, all

0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 2>hands on decks. So we're at the park. There's a

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 2>small crowd watching dancers and like street performers, and Luca

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:36.160
<v Speaker 2>and Anna approach and he's pulling her. She doesn't look

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 2>thrilled to be there, but they do have backpacks. We

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 2>hear sirens, we hear running. People are enjoying the dancing,

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:43.279
<v Speaker 2>so people are having a good time. And then we

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 2>see a bearded man having like a good time vibing

0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 2>to the music. But then he makes eye contact with Luca,

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:50.000
<v Speaker 2>doesn't like the vibe, looks him up and down, sees

0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 2>the gun under the shirt. So the bearded guy turns

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 2>to Luca, takes out his badge and says, excuse me,

0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 2>and no time, Luca shoots him in the chest.

0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:57.399
<v Speaker 4>He's dead.

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Tons of people are getting a shot so fast. Ten

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:03.719
<v Speaker 2>of people lay down to not get If you're off duty,

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:07.520
<v Speaker 2>stay off duty, babe. Benson and like twenty cops run

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:09.719
<v Speaker 2>into the crowd. The shooters run up the stairs of

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 2>something and it looks like a construction zone or something

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.360
<v Speaker 2>like that. Okay, so they approach Anna. She says, help me, please,

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:17.279
<v Speaker 2>but all the guns are on her. Benson has a

0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:20.279
<v Speaker 2>glare of I'm disgusted with you anger. They hate her.

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 2>She's like begging, shaking and nervous. Benson's face wants to soften,

0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 2>but she can't quite yet. Benson runs to the hospital

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 2>where Dodds is waiting with the stats. One dead, four wounded,

0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:29.800
<v Speaker 2>two critical.

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:30.640
<v Speaker 4>Dead.

0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 2>On arrival is Tom Flannery, and Flannery is familiar to

0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Benson and he is an off duty police officer. Special

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Agent Dan Connelly arrives on the scene, eating time for Benson.

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:43.800
<v Speaker 2>The suspect isn't talking and all she cares about is

0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:46.759
<v Speaker 2>her son, so obviously they want Benson to talk. So

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Anna relates to her as a mother or whatever. She's

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 2>better talking to people. So we're in a new room.

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 2>We're in a white wall, white bars, metal door handle vibes,

0:45:56.920 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>so we've never seen this room. Anna is shocked he

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:03.720
<v Speaker 2>was alone, and even more surprised that he had a gun,

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Like she was like, what the fuck? Like I left

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 2>him with my aunt.

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:06.920
<v Speaker 1>What.

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Then they have to reveal to her that her aunt

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 2>is dead. She is visibly upset. Her body tries to move,

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.799
<v Speaker 2>but her handcuffs are attached to the table. She really

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 2>wants to see her son, and they're like, well, you

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:19.560
<v Speaker 2>need to give us information. You're not like gonna go,

0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, see your son. So she just keeps shaking

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:26.840
<v Speaker 2>her head saying I don't know, I don't know. In

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 2>walks Elizabeth Marvel aka Rita Calhoun and saves her client

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:33.360
<v Speaker 2>right in the nick of time. Benson goes, wow, Rita,

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 2>you're representing terrorists now, and she says, suspected terrorist and

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 2>everyone's entitled to a defense. So we're back at the precinct.

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I want to know who called her.

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 1>That's what I wanted to I was thinking, and like, yeah,

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Rita's doing this pro bono, but like that's not usually

0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 1>Rita's thing.

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Like no, sometimes with these big guys like we've seen

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Trevor Lake and no more, like they like to take

0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 2>these to make them feel like they're not evil people.

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 4>Mm hmmm. Yeah. And because the only other times she

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:08.399
<v Speaker 4>helped a victim it was her friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So.

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:13.279
<v Speaker 2>I just because Armand's in custody right or they had

0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 2>to let him go. Well, I don't know. I just

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 2>wonder who called the anstaid. She doesn't seem like she

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 2>has a big network. So do you think read A

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 2>saw it on the news and went running Our lawyer's

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:25.959
<v Speaker 2>just fighting or like.

0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:29.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like are they like who gets there first? Like

0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 4>I don't get it.

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Like some associate called and was like this one seems juicy.

0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:34.920
<v Speaker 1>You might like you might want this, like, you know,

0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:39.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't really know. Well, all right, whatever, it's it's

0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 1>a mass shooting in Central Park. Like we truly don't

0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:43.799
<v Speaker 1>know anybody except for the brother who's connected to a

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:47.040
<v Speaker 1>controversial mosque in Queens. But the Feds don't have him

0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:48.799
<v Speaker 1>and they let him go and they're like, wait what.

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 1>But he's better on the street because then we can

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:53.359
<v Speaker 1>see if we can pick up on chatter or get

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:56.959
<v Speaker 1>information from his movements. So then the special Agent asked

0:47:57.040 --> 0:47:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Benson to pick up with Anna Tamaras since she has

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:02.440
<v Speaker 1>a relationship with Calhoun and they're gonna indict her on

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 1>murder and terrorism charges.

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 4>So Dodds says, too late.

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 2>The DA file charges ten minutes ago, and the chief

0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 2>and the big guns are like, well, that's so dumb,

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, nope, Flannery was one of our own,

0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 2>and that's that.

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:16.880
<v Speaker 4>Then he runs off, and this is grief talking.

0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Benson runs after him while tons of media run to

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:21.120
<v Speaker 2>get scooped from Barba. And so that's where we're out.

0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:24.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a frenzy outside. He goes, we are working together.

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:26.839
<v Speaker 2>We don't know much, and we don't care about affiliations

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:29.960
<v Speaker 2>or motivations. What this woman did was murder and that's that.

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.120
<v Speaker 2>So we're in court, she's pleading not guilty. He wants

0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:36.719
<v Speaker 2>her man. She goes no release, so Calhoun, which I

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:38.879
<v Speaker 2>think is crazy, he wants to release on her own recognisance,

0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:43.760
<v Speaker 2>and the Dutchess is like freeze say like a joke. Yeah,

0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 2>So there's murmurs in the galley and the judge asks

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:47.360
<v Speaker 2>why would that be appropriate?

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:48.800
<v Speaker 4>And she goes because Anna is a victim.

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:51.280
<v Speaker 2>She was raped and tortured for hours before the homice

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:54.760
<v Speaker 2>side by her fiance and his brother. She was present,

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 2>but she was not there under her own free will,

0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:59.520
<v Speaker 2>and if she didn't cooperate, she herself would have been murdered.

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 2>And we got that energy from her. She wasn't like

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.280
<v Speaker 2>happy to be there, right right right. Barbara and Benson

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 2>are walking and talking. Barbara thinks it's bullshit. Benson doesn't

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:12.839
<v Speaker 2>think Rita would make this up. Cariese comes running up

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 2>with files. The abuse has spanned five years. Barbara's pissed.

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Benson goes, just because she's a murderer doesn't mean she

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.280
<v Speaker 2>can't also be a rape victim. Barbara says she's playing

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 2>right into the games. Of the defense, Benson, you should

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.520
<v Speaker 2>know better than that. Anna needs to go down hard,

0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:29.879
<v Speaker 2>and Benson's like, okay, I'm gonna go speak to her,

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.480
<v Speaker 2>you fucking idiot. So they star at each other for

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 2>a while. We're back in this white room, Benson says,

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:37.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm just here to listen, regardless of what happened yesterday.

0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 4>So she came to the US six years ago. She

0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:41.560
<v Speaker 4>wanted to be a nurse. And this is.

0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Again why we have to treat people that are like

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:47.319
<v Speaker 2>whatever on visas or freshly here, Like everyone needs to

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:51.880
<v Speaker 2>feel safe to get help because I don't yeah, I

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:54.919
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Yeah, I'm just thinking about like coming here,

0:49:55.000 --> 0:49:56.840
<v Speaker 2>your being abuse. She wanted to be a nurse. She

0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:59.840
<v Speaker 2>lived with her aunt and queens. Then she met Luca

0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:01.400
<v Speaker 2>and he was nice and he took her out to

0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:04.840
<v Speaker 2>eat and clubs. She fell in love. But then everything changed.

0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 2>He changed. She was angry all the time. He hated everyone,

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:10.920
<v Speaker 2>rich people, Jews, gay people, black people. Then he started

0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:13.320
<v Speaker 2>to hit her, then started forcing her to have sex

0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:15.960
<v Speaker 2>when she didn't want to, and then forcing his brother

0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:18.600
<v Speaker 2>to on her too, and they would do it together

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:20.280
<v Speaker 2>and it went on for years.

0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:23.280
<v Speaker 4>So fun, But I wonder what was Luca just abusive

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:25.120
<v Speaker 4>all along? You know what I mean? Like, what the fuck?

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, she never told anyone was too afraid, and

0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:31.120
<v Speaker 2>they threatened to kill her and take away her son

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:32.960
<v Speaker 2>and she would die a whore because they have video

0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 2>and they're gonna make it look like she was having

0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:36.960
<v Speaker 2>fun and send it to all her family. She said

0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 2>the last assault was too boring because ago and it

0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 2>was still dark out. She remembers hearing the garbage trucks

0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:44.840
<v Speaker 2>and that's what she focused on, the sound of the trucks.

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Rita says, show her what they did to you. She

0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:50.719
<v Speaker 2>shows marks on her body and so basically she hit

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Armin in the face and they got mad and beat

0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:54.440
<v Speaker 2>the shit out of her with belts, and she wanted

0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:56.360
<v Speaker 2>to do something or call the cops, but she was

0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:58.680
<v Speaker 2>afraid for her and her son and she didn't want

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.440
<v Speaker 2>anyone else to die. So she starts crying. She goes,

0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 2>please forgive me. Benson wants to do a rape kit.

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Benson walks off colder than usual, and I think it's

0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:09.359
<v Speaker 2>because Noah was there and the gun and like put

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:13.400
<v Speaker 2>her son in danger. So Benson is like pleading with Dodds. Like,

0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:16.480
<v Speaker 2>so passionately. She's like the rape kit confirmed vaginal and

0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:19.360
<v Speaker 2>anal intercourse. And then Barraba is like watching from the

0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:22.800
<v Speaker 2>background and seeing all of this happen, and there's tearing

0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:26.960
<v Speaker 2>and abrasions and they're running the DNA on the seamen.

0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:29.839
<v Speaker 2>But she was brutalized. He goes, yeah, but she still

0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:32.279
<v Speaker 2>killed a cop and a college student just died too,

0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:35.400
<v Speaker 2>who is in critical condition. Barbara agrees with Dodds and

0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:38.320
<v Speaker 2>does not care, and Dodds wants her to pause the

0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:41.600
<v Speaker 2>rape investigation untill the trial is over, and her eyes widen.

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:43.759
<v Speaker 2>They really don't care about the rape, and she's like, no,

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not an idiot, Like I understand bigger things are

0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:50.239
<v Speaker 2>at play here, but I can't not do this. I'm

0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:52.520
<v Speaker 2>just trying to do my job, she says, and he responds,

0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 2>with all due respect, doing your job cost my son

0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:57.759
<v Speaker 2>his life, so.

0:51:58.120 --> 0:51:59.200
<v Speaker 4>This is out of pocket.

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Like you don't fucking say that you don't like dog

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Come on.

0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:08.600
<v Speaker 4>Also, yeah, he's been wanting to say it all episode.

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:11.399
<v Speaker 1>I've been you know, at this point, you still hate

0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Dodds like you've always hated Daddy Dodds like I have,

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.920
<v Speaker 1>like I've like I hated Daddy Dodds so much. He

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:19.320
<v Speaker 1>does soften up towards the end, right before he leaves,

0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:22.680
<v Speaker 1>and it's like you want to have empathy for him

0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 1>and have like you're like, oh, this is when I'm

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:26.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna start liking Daddy Dodds because now he's grieving.

0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 4>But he's even more of a dick in his grief.

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:36.600
<v Speaker 4>He's such a dick. But I'm on his side wildly.

0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 1>All that matters is that this cop died, and like,

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:41.480
<v Speaker 1>we're not investigating the thing that this unit investigates.

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.359
<v Speaker 4>Though you're on his side, I'm on.

0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:47.480
<v Speaker 2>His side in terms of like Benson, fuck off, you

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 2>were there, like you were lieutenant and you know.

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:52.120
<v Speaker 4>But it's probably.

0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Because he feels so guilty that he knows deep down

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:57.759
<v Speaker 2>it's like not her fault. I just feel he's acting out.

0:52:57.760 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not on his side. I think they should investigate

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:02.719
<v Speaker 2>the rain. I think Benson's right about everything, but I

0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:06.240
<v Speaker 2>get his anim I'm like, okay with his attitude, I guess,

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:10.080
<v Speaker 2>but I overall, I think, well, we should actually do

0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:12.520
<v Speaker 2>a bracket. Maybe, I mean, March madness is over, but

0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:15.239
<v Speaker 2>this is the bracket I want to do. Is like

0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:18.360
<v Speaker 2>all the men that come in and try to like

0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:23.880
<v Speaker 2>overpower Benson, like I hate them all, Like do I

0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:27.240
<v Speaker 2>hate Dodd's more than McGrath. So I hate old Tucker

0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Like there's just so many of them that come in

0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:30.200
<v Speaker 2>and out and try to tell her what to do.

0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeabraham is number one because of the pedophile stuff.

0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to act holier than now and know that you've

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.600
<v Speaker 1>got a fucking flash drive of child porn taped underneath

0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:42.800
<v Speaker 1>your desk, like you're psychotic?

0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, whatever, A lot of a lot of stairs

0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:51.160
<v Speaker 2>God's stammers. He leaves Benson stunned. Barbara goes, he didn't

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:53.440
<v Speaker 2>mean it, and Benson goes, oh he did, and he

0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:56.160
<v Speaker 2>is it wrong? And Barbara goes, don't do that, and

0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:58.000
<v Speaker 2>she goes. She goes, I know we all want someone

0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:00.080
<v Speaker 2>to pay for what happened. I'm just not sure that

0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:03.560
<v Speaker 2>person was Ona. He thinks that she is just as

0:54:03.560 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 2>guilty as Luca. I want to know the ballistics, like

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:08.720
<v Speaker 2>what bullets went anywhere? Like it was like I didn't

0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:13.759
<v Speaker 2>I have to gun? Yeah? So wait, did I say

0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:15.920
<v Speaker 2>that Luca's was like dead on a right, like they

0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:18.719
<v Speaker 2>killed him, they shot his ass. I don't know if

0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 2>you said that. No, I didn't. They killed him. They

0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:25.279
<v Speaker 2>killed him on the scene. So Barbara goes just as

0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:28.120
<v Speaker 2>guilty as Luca. Rape or no rape. She is a killer,

0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 2>and that is what I'm going to tell the jury.

0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Her phone buzzes, the DNA came back and the boy

0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Ali the father is Luca's brother, Arman, not fucking Luca.

0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:39.520
<v Speaker 2>So this gets even more twisted because that means he

0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:42.719
<v Speaker 2>has paternal rights. So if Anna goes to prison, the

0:54:42.760 --> 0:54:45.960
<v Speaker 2>boy ends up with that motherfucker, and if the Feds

0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:48.080
<v Speaker 2>can't come up with a case against him, he's gonna

0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 2>get the boy. And we need to stop this. She

0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:52.600
<v Speaker 2>starts to leave. I mean, how many more? This is

0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 2>two layered at this point. Too many layers. She starts

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:57.160
<v Speaker 2>to leave. He goes, where are you going? And she

0:54:57.200 --> 0:54:59.799
<v Speaker 2>goes to investigate a case that nobody wants me to

0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:02.960
<v Speaker 2>so dramatic. So we're in cement roombar is finally a

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:07.080
<v Speaker 2>familiar room. We got him in there, and he is denied, denied, deny.

0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:10.319
<v Speaker 2>He's cocky. I wouldn't do that. She wouldn't do that.

0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:12.440
<v Speaker 2>We're not doing it, and they're like, we have DNA,

0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:15.200
<v Speaker 2>so shut up, and he turns it around to think

0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:15.800
<v Speaker 2>of a story.

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:17.440
<v Speaker 4>He says, fine, you're right. I did have sex with

0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:18.240
<v Speaker 4>her a few times.

0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Benson goes sit down, and he's like, she's a whore,

0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and Benson goes, that's not a nice word. And he goes,

0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:26.520
<v Speaker 2>she's not a nice woman. She's a manipulator and a user.

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:29.200
<v Speaker 2>She came here and ruined my brother's life and turned

0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.880
<v Speaker 2>him into a killer and a radical. So he's like

0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:34.440
<v Speaker 2>denying everything, and then they realize that he's wearing the

0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:36.279
<v Speaker 2>fucking belt that they abused her with.

0:55:37.080 --> 0:55:39.680
<v Speaker 4>So they're like, they're like, you fool, you're wearing the belt.

0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:42.279
<v Speaker 2>And he has nothing to say because he is, and

0:55:42.320 --> 0:55:44.840
<v Speaker 2>he says, I want a lawyer. So Benson goes, okay,

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:47.360
<v Speaker 2>but you're going down with or without a lawyer, And

0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:50.000
<v Speaker 2>he goes, okay, she's a terrorist who cares and a tramp.

0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you really think anybody cares about her? And Benson

0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:55.319
<v Speaker 2>like puts her hands on the table and leans in

0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and goes, I do, and then nods at rollins and

0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:01.160
<v Speaker 2>goes and so does she and trust me, that's enough,

0:56:01.280 --> 0:56:03.120
<v Speaker 2>and he knows she's not lying, And truly one of

0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:07.280
<v Speaker 2>the sexiest scenes of the whole tenure of this show cool.

0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:09.160
<v Speaker 4>The ladies leave him.

0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:12.040
<v Speaker 2>He's pouting, and so now her emotions court is the

0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:15.280
<v Speaker 2>rape relevant, is it not? We got Barba versus Calhoun?

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:18.360
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot. Benson's on the stand trying to convince

0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:21.279
<v Speaker 2>the judge. Barbara is like, so fucking annoyed. Benson's on

0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the stand and she's convinced that Anna is a victim

0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:26.200
<v Speaker 2>of a brutal and painful sexual assault. Dodds Now is

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:28.879
<v Speaker 2>in the office and it's a bustling precinct and when

0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Benson walks in, he rushes at her, are you a

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:33.960
<v Speaker 2>copper defense lawyer? And she goes, I did what I

0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:36.160
<v Speaker 2>thought was right, and then she also goes, and what

0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:38.920
<v Speaker 2>did you want me to do? Perjure myself? And he's mad,

0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:40.719
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the Chief of des is mad, the

0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:44.000
<v Speaker 2>mayor's mad, the da is mad. They're all pissed, and

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:46.600
<v Speaker 2>they want a fucking head to serve up on a

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:49.480
<v Speaker 2>shiny platter. And he needs her to at least pretend

0:56:49.520 --> 0:56:51.840
<v Speaker 2>to be on their side and not the terrorists, and

0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:52.959
<v Speaker 2>Benson shakes her head.

0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:53.719
<v Speaker 4>Barbara walks in.

0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Benson goes, oh great, you want to fight too, and

0:56:55.800 --> 0:57:00.440
<v Speaker 2>he goes, listen, your ambission is stupid, self centered idea, realistic,

0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:04.279
<v Speaker 2>even if admirable, And she says, rape is rape. We

0:57:04.320 --> 0:57:08.200
<v Speaker 2>don't get to invent our victims or our purpse. And

0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:10.759
<v Speaker 2>we hear evidence, we investigate. Unless you're a Muslim woman,

0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:12.960
<v Speaker 2>of course, So let's get patriotic and move on.

0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:13.719
<v Speaker 4>Huh.

0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:15.960
<v Speaker 2>And Barbara goes, listen, the judge ruled in our favor,

0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:18.520
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, your favor, not our favor, and he

0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:20.640
<v Speaker 2>goes either way, the rape isn't going into this case,

0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:22.800
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, and I keep telling you, this case

0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:26.040
<v Speaker 2>is different. So she's left alone at her desk to ponder.

0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Benson finds Calhoun on the street, who's acting really breezy

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:33.120
<v Speaker 2>for this kind of serious trial, bright blue suit, like

0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:36.160
<v Speaker 2>really fun. Bence goes, look, it's over. You're not going

0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:38.720
<v Speaker 2>to win. This case is important to too many people.

0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Benson's like, it's time to cut a deal for Anna's sake.

0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Once this goes to trial, he is going to max

0:57:44.040 --> 0:57:45.680
<v Speaker 2>her out. And she goes, well, that's not a reason

0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:47.720
<v Speaker 2>to cut a deal. She goes, no, but this is

0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:50.040
<v Speaker 2>armand's going to get sole custody of that little boy.

0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:52.520
<v Speaker 2>So if she cuts the deal on the murder and terrorism.

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Then it gives her more leverage to pursue the rape

0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 2>case and make sure Armand never goes near the little

0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:59.680
<v Speaker 2>boy again. Rita thinks, but the meeting's going to happen,

0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:01.600
<v Speaker 2>So bar says it needs to be murder one.

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:03.800
<v Speaker 4>Rita goes, we'll accept it on two conditions.

0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:07.760
<v Speaker 2>One, at sentencing you'll advocate twenty to life and advocate

0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:09.840
<v Speaker 2>for parole to be on the table. He nods, yes,

0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:12.600
<v Speaker 2>I think that's fair. Two, you'll agree to use your

0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:15.480
<v Speaker 2>best efforts to prosecute Armand for rape. He says, well,

0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't do that. She goes, wait on the record,

0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:20.440
<v Speaker 2>but off the record, you could like nod and so

0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:23.360
<v Speaker 2>he nods. She but why can't whatever? So she says,

0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:25.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't want my son to be raised by that man.

0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:27.920
<v Speaker 2>As Barbara gets up to leave, he will ruin him

0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 2>and turn him into a monster and a killer. He's

0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:33.439
<v Speaker 2>like kind of he's just not emotionally swayed by this woman.

0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:36.160
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't feel sympathetic to her in any capacity. Like

0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:38.640
<v Speaker 2>it is what it is, and Benson find like it's

0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:40.640
<v Speaker 2>all up to Benson. She needs to find evidence and

0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:43.720
<v Speaker 2>like do a good investigation Rita gets up and she's

0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:45.720
<v Speaker 2>just like, listen, you can go fly the flag and

0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:48.120
<v Speaker 2>declare victory in you one, but deep down you know

0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the truth and you know that she is not evil,

0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:50.960
<v Speaker 2>she is not a killer.

0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:52.360
<v Speaker 4>She is a rape victim.

0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:55.080
<v Speaker 2>And Anna drops her head really low, and Barbara says, listen,

0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna try my best. So Benson runs into Barbara's

0:58:57.920 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 2>office pissed as fuck. What do you mean there's not

0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:03.640
<v Speaker 2>enough evidence? And he goes, okay, hello in a smug tone,

0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and Benson interrupts. She goes, the evidence is overwhelming. We

0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:09.800
<v Speaker 2>have his semen, we have tearing, we have bruising, we

0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:12.560
<v Speaker 2>have testimony. Benson goes, you said you would try your best,

0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:14.600
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, yeah, no, I am. They're gonna say

0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:16.840
<v Speaker 2>she's a wildhre who likes rough sex and she's already

0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:20.120
<v Speaker 2>a convicted murder and terrorists like, I don't know what

0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:24.080
<v Speaker 2>to tell you. Humanity's humanity. That's the jury, babe, and

0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:28.120
<v Speaker 2>so he says she needs more. Benson goes, okay, how

0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:30.120
<v Speaker 2>about the video of them raping and beating her?

0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:32.760
<v Speaker 4>Would that be enough? And he goes, are you being sarcastic?

0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:35.080
<v Speaker 2>And she goes, no, they used to record the brutality,

0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:38.240
<v Speaker 2>and it was a way of maintaining control. The problem

0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:42.360
<v Speaker 2>is dot dot dot. Barbara realizes it's on the locked phone.

0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:45.800
<v Speaker 2>So we're back at Supreme Court. We got Barbara pleading

0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:48.920
<v Speaker 2>to get into the phone. Barbara's gonnahead, you know, go

0:59:49.000 --> 0:59:52.000
<v Speaker 2>heads ahead with these big companies. It's legal time, you know,

0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:55.120
<v Speaker 2>court happens, it's it's the normal fight.

0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:56.280
<v Speaker 4>It would ruin security.

0:59:56.520 --> 0:59:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Barbara's at the office quick and Benson goes, we won,

0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:02.040
<v Speaker 2>but they appealed within seconds, so we're back to square

1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:04.480
<v Speaker 2>one for a while. Barbara does not think that DA

1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:07.080
<v Speaker 2>would support doing this right now, and she does finally

1:00:07.080 --> 1:00:10.360
<v Speaker 2>get it. They talk about mass shootings, but Anna deserves

1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:12.200
<v Speaker 2>justice for what happened to her and she just wants

1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:14.720
<v Speaker 2>her kids to be safe. Benson wants to arrest him

1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:16.480
<v Speaker 2>and that's that, and they all have their vests and

1:00:16.480 --> 1:00:18.960
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna arrest him no matter what. The FBI's there though,

1:00:19.200 --> 1:00:21.680
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, what the fuck's going on, and they

1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:23.920
<v Speaker 2>said that they picked up some chatter he's talking to

1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:26.480
<v Speaker 2>known radicals and she goes, well, I have a warrant

1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:28.640
<v Speaker 2>for his arrest and they're like, well, that needs to wait.

1:00:29.000 --> 1:00:31.120
<v Speaker 2>The chief guy from earlier is not being as nice

1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:33.280
<v Speaker 2>as he was earlier in the show. He doesn't really

1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:36.080
<v Speaker 2>need her anymore. They're taking him to a very special

1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:39.880
<v Speaker 2>and secure hotel and that's that he's being carried out.

1:00:39.880 --> 1:00:42.400
<v Speaker 2>He gives Benson a dirty look, and I mean, I

1:00:42.400 --> 1:00:44.880
<v Speaker 2>guess he's being arrested. So who gives a fuck? He's

1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:48.360
<v Speaker 2>being taken whatever. Yeah, van door's closed or square. I

1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:49.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know what the hotel meets like. I don't know

1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:51.880
<v Speaker 2>does that goe tanam obey like, I don't know what

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:52.520
<v Speaker 2>that kind of.

1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:54.840
<v Speaker 4>I think that's the I think that's the implication.

1:00:55.080 --> 1:01:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, our squad stairs, we're at a Metro it's in

1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:03.800
<v Speaker 2>correctional center and Anna get some time with her son.

1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Benson's watching in the corner. She says, you don't have

1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:09.080
<v Speaker 2>to worry about Armen anymore. They contacted her sister. She's

1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:10.959
<v Speaker 2>on her way to New York right now, and he's

1:01:10.960 --> 1:01:14.120
<v Speaker 2>gonna go live with her in Bosnia. Anna is so relieved,

1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Benson, but it's also time to say goodbye. It's

1:01:16.720 --> 1:01:17.440
<v Speaker 2>really emotional.

1:01:17.480 --> 1:01:18.680
<v Speaker 4>They hug. The boy cries.

1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Benson his back at the park with Noah kissing baby

1:01:21.840 --> 1:01:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Noah and Tucker meets them at the park. She has

1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:27.320
<v Speaker 2>white nail polish, love it. She's so happy even though

1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:29.600
<v Speaker 2>the week was tough and hard, and she starts to cry.

1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:32.000
<v Speaker 2>He goes, why are you crying? And she's scared it

1:01:32.000 --> 1:01:35.280
<v Speaker 2>won't last and she's right, and Tucker says that's not true.

1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:37.600
<v Speaker 2>He's a liar and not if I can help it,

1:01:37.760 --> 1:01:40.720
<v Speaker 2>you can't, and he brushes her hair and they go

1:01:40.800 --> 1:01:42.840
<v Speaker 2>for a walk with Noah in the park and that's

1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:43.880
<v Speaker 2>dick wolf baby.

1:01:44.560 --> 1:01:47.160
<v Speaker 4>It's so cute. I like them walking as a family.

1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I just don't get I guess it's hard to say

1:01:53.120 --> 1:01:57.080
<v Speaker 1>whether she was fully part of the terror attack, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe now she's just playing victim, like we can't know

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<v Speaker 1>if she's acting or not, but like it seems to

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<v Speaker 1>me from what's portrayed in the episode that she's just

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<v Speaker 1>been like literally abused and beaten down for years, has

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere to go, is worried if she tells anyone.

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<v Speaker 4>What did they want her to do? They wanted her

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<v Speaker 4>to go to authorities.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure she doesn't trust authorities and thinks she'd be

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<v Speaker 1>deported and that if he finds out, he'll kill her.

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<v Speaker 1>Or kill her son, So like, how could she have

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<v Speaker 1>stopped anything from happening? Like she was literally a hostile.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of her as like a hostage.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, you know, so I think she was

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<v Speaker 2>not from Bosnian, was white, it would be different.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, twenty to life for being like a hostage, like

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<v Speaker 1>mentally beaten down, and like if she pulled.

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<v Speaker 4>The trigger, yeah, I don't know, but I felt like

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't say that she did. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I was not watching closely enough. I didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>I saw her shoot any guns. But if she did,

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<v Speaker 1>then obviously yes, if you're responsible for taking people's lives.

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<v Speaker 2>But I thought she was just like standing there scared.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a good episode, I'll tell you that much.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to know you had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>work to do. I feel a lot of crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, there were a lot of crimes, but I

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<v Speaker 1>focused on one. Why was the back Why was the

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<v Speaker 1>gun in the kid's back back? You think the kid

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<v Speaker 1>just grabbed it?

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<v Speaker 4>This is yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You think the kid was like, I'm just gonna grab

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<v Speaker 1>one of daddy's guns on my way out, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't Yeah, anyway, I would have thought that.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that the ant put it in for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason, like she knew what was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold this little guy, I don't want to walk through

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<v Speaker 1>New York with this am was a part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>What if they are actually all part of this thing

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<v Speaker 2>and that was all a fake thing and she was.

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<v Speaker 4>Going to join them in the park.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well, but I think they loved the boy.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think they would have like left the boy

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<v Speaker 4>for I don't know. I find it hard to believe

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<v Speaker 4>that this. I don't know. Maybe I don't that the bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy would have like wanted to like take on a

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<v Speaker 1>four year old by himself, but probably just to like

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<v Speaker 1>radicalize them and turn him into like a MINII.

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<v Speaker 2>But this case, that's like a TikTok thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>see where it's like men that never were involved with

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<v Speaker 2>their kids suddenly want half customer full custody.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like you didn't even do that when they were

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<v Speaker 4>when you were together. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever see that girl who calls guys and

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<v Speaker 1>tells them about their child's aport payments?

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<v Speaker 4>Of course?

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<v Speaker 2>Honey, yeah, yeah, yeah, what I'm chronically online and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to see her.

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<v Speaker 4>She's fun to watch, she's fun to watch, So.

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<v Speaker 1>They mentioned in this episode tons of different stuff September eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>like riots in Argentina, the Utopia night club fire bombings

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<v Speaker 1>in Madrid, all kinds of like.

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<v Speaker 4>Sam Bernardino. That's what I thought of.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mentioned, well, I thought of Sam Bernardino, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk about it briefly. But it is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of more based in a way on the Pulse

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<v Speaker 1>nightclub shooting in Orlando. So this episode obviously is linked

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<v Speaker 1>to the mass murder at Pulse Again nightclub in Orlando

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<v Speaker 1>that was committed by Omar Matin on June twel in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen. Famously always sticks in my mind because I

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<v Speaker 1>woke up after my cousin's wedding in a hotel room

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<v Speaker 1>with my mother and I was watching the news about

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<v Speaker 1>this on MSNBC and my mom goes, can we turn

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<v Speaker 1>the news on? And I go what the news is on?

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<v Speaker 1>And she goes, no, no, like Fox News. Like that's

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<v Speaker 1>when I knew the rot was in there. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh shit, Like this is a full addiction, Like she

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<v Speaker 1>cannot this is a this is non politicize, like this

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't need to be politicized, Like they're literally just reporting

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<v Speaker 1>a very recent shooting that happened, Like why does it

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<v Speaker 1>matter if we're watching it on CNN, or like you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. Crazy anyway. So matteen was an

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<v Speaker 1>Afghan American. He was born in New York, raised from

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<v Speaker 1>childhood in Florida, where he had problems his whole life

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<v Speaker 1>in school, semming from violence.

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<v Speaker 4>He was known as a bully.

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<v Speaker 1>In high school, he praised the nine to eleven terrorists

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<v Speaker 1>and claimed that Bin Lauden was his uncle. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time he graduated this sort of like special high school

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<v Speaker 1>that he went to for children with behavioral problems, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>been suspended for forty eight days for various incidents involving

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<v Speaker 1>him fighting and hurting other students. So troubled from the

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<v Speaker 1>get go, I think his dad seems like a crazy person.

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<v Speaker 1>His dad tried to like run for office in Afghanistan

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, and was seemed nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>Like.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also a report that his dad slapped him

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<v Speaker 1>across the face in front of like everybody at school

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<v Speaker 1>one time. So Omar Matin meets his second wife very

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<v Speaker 1>quickly after his divorce in twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 4>Her name is nor Zahi Salmon.

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<v Speaker 1>On a online dating app called Arab Lounge, and even

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<v Speaker 1>though she wasn't religious and he was you could say

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<v Speaker 1>unhealthily religious, she was obsessed with him.

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<v Speaker 4>She was like, this guy is the whole thing. This

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<v Speaker 4>is what I want.

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<v Speaker 1>They married quickly the same year, and then Selman said

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<v Speaker 1>that six months into their marriage, Mattine became physically and

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<v Speaker 1>verbally abusive. So like the beginning, he's like this nice guy.

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<v Speaker 1>She thinks everything's great, she thinks he's perfect, and then

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<v Speaker 1>six months in he starts being horrible. He would call

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<v Speaker 1>her a whore in Arabic if she did anything he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like in public. He pulled her hair, punched her

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<v Speaker 1>shoulders so hard it left a bruise. Once, while she

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<v Speaker 1>was pregnant, he choked her, threatened to kill her.

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<v Speaker 4>And he never ever apologized.

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<v Speaker 1>For anything whenever he would hurt her, Like it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like the cycle of like, oh, I'm sorry and then.

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<v Speaker 4>Come back like he just was like fully abusing her.

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<v Speaker 1>He taunted her being like you can't leave me because

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get our son, which is a little bit like

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the episode, and like there's no proof

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<v Speaker 1>that I abused you, so I'll get him, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have no money, you have no job,

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<v Speaker 1>like I support you guys, so like I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>get our son. So In the weeks leading up to

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<v Speaker 1>the attack, though Salman said things had improved. Mattine had

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<v Speaker 1>gotten into a police training program, of course, and had

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<v Speaker 1>bought her gifts to celebrate. He had stopped hitting her,

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<v Speaker 1>and just hours before the attack, he had given her

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<v Speaker 1>like a thousand dollars to take their three year old

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<v Speaker 1>son to visit her family in Rodeo, California, where she

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<v Speaker 1>grew up, and he told her, oh, like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be home for dinner that night. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to see a friend, and he kissed her out the

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<v Speaker 1>son and he did not see a friend. He had

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<v Speaker 1>still drove two hours to Orlando to the Pulse nightclub,

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<v Speaker 1>and around two am on June sixteenth, he entered Pulse

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<v Speaker 1>Nightclub and began shooting, using two guns, a sig Sour

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<v Speaker 1>Sig MCX semi automatic rifle and a nine millimeter Glock

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen handgun, both of which he purchased completely legally two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks before the shooting, and he had no record in

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Florida, so twenty minutes later he called

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<v Speaker 1>nine one one and pledged allegiance to the Islamic State.

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<v Speaker 1>He mentioned the Sarnev brothers who were responsible for the

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<v Speaker 1>Boston bombing, the Boston Marathon bombing, as well as a

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<v Speaker 1>suicide bomber that he apparently was an acquaintance of his

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<v Speaker 1>in Syria. He made two other nine to one one

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<v Speaker 1>calls and also called a local Orlando news channel and

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<v Speaker 1>said he was the shooter and told them that he

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<v Speaker 1>had committed these crimes for the Islamic State and allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>he fired one hundred and ten rounds. So and before

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<v Speaker 1>the Las Vegas shooting, I think this was the deadliest

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<v Speaker 1>mass shooting that we had had in the US. When

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<v Speaker 1>police arrived, Mattein took hostages. Eventually he exchanged gunfire with

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<v Speaker 1>the police. That was in his death around five fifteen am.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have to think this is like a standoff

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<v Speaker 1>that's going on for like three hours. Like he's in

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<v Speaker 1>there and people are killed, a bunch of people and

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<v Speaker 1>people are in there, I know, like so horrific, so horrific,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this one really like, oh, I remember it so

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<v Speaker 1>well when it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>He remember it because I remember when it happened, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember all the talks about it. I remember being sad

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<v Speaker 2>about it, But then I also remember watching the queens

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<v Speaker 2>on Drag Race talk about it and be connected to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was Orlando queens people were there. One like

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot one queen was supposed to perform that night

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<v Speaker 2>but didn't, and that friend got.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's just like and especially.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think about the gay community and how

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<v Speaker 2>much of that is like chosen family and like right

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<v Speaker 2>down in other places and being able to be in

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<v Speaker 2>this like safe space.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like really sad. It's so sad.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>There were also rumors, I think he gets substantiated that

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<v Speaker 1>he had actually gone to Pulse a couple times and

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<v Speaker 1>he would drink there and he would get really drunk

1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:08.240
<v Speaker 1>sometimes and start yelling or whatever, but he would just

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<v Speaker 1>go there sometimes and sit quietly and drink. Like he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going in there ranting and being like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are sinners or anything. That means he would

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<v Speaker 1>drive two hours to go do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So was he planning all this time or he was closeted,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and like, well that's that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of rumor that he was closeted,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently like none of that is substantiated. Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>rumors that he had gay apps on his phone that

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<v Speaker 1>was like ending up being cleared by the FBI. There

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<v Speaker 1>was rumors that he had some guy came forward and said, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we hooked up, but that was never confirmed. Like it

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<v Speaker 1>just was like it was never confirmed the whole rumor

1:10:41.840 --> 1:10:45.599
<v Speaker 1>that he was a closeted gay man. There was some

1:10:45.680 --> 1:10:48.360
<v Speaker 1>conversation that he had with his wife where apparently they

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<v Speaker 1>went to Disney at one point and he said, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think people would be more upset about, like

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<v Speaker 1>a shooting at Disney or shooting at a gay club.

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<v Speaker 4>But again it's like the police thought.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of what the wife was saying was truthful

1:11:00.560 --> 1:11:02.599
<v Speaker 1>as well, So we'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Get to some of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But he killed ended up killing forty nine people and

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<v Speaker 1>seriously injuring fifty three. And the night of the attack,

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<v Speaker 1>his wife, Selmon, wrote a Father's Day card to him,

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<v Speaker 1>which you can see online. It's wild. It's like from

1:11:17.680 --> 1:11:19.599
<v Speaker 1>their son, It's like, daddy, I love you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she went to sleep and then at four

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<v Speaker 1>am she gets a call from her husband's mother looking

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<v Speaker 1>for him. I don't know why this is happening. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why she already the mom already if

1:11:29.680 --> 1:11:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the mom already knows what's up, but like her mother

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<v Speaker 1>in law calls, so Salmon tries to sell and gets nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>She eventually got a text from him going did you

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<v Speaker 1>see what happened? And she said no, I haven't. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the final text she got from him said I

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<v Speaker 1>love you, babe, And the FBI later told her that

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<v Speaker 1>her husband, you know, died in this shootout after committing

1:11:47.280 --> 1:11:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a mass murder. Salmon became a person of interest in

1:11:51.000 --> 1:11:53.960
<v Speaker 1>association with this horrific attack and was questioned by the

1:11:54.000 --> 1:11:56.640
<v Speaker 1>FBI four hours. So this is why I kind of

1:11:56.680 --> 1:12:00.320
<v Speaker 1>think the episode is based a little bit more on

1:12:00.400 --> 1:12:05.439
<v Speaker 1>like their dynamic. Authorities believed she knew about his plan,

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<v Speaker 1>but they couldn't make an arrest based solely on their suspicion,

1:12:09.120 --> 1:12:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and she denied any involvement in the attack or knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>of her husband's plans. She said she knew he'd been

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<v Speaker 1>watching like Islamic state propaganda, but she figured since the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI had investigated him in twenty thirteen and cleared him

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<v Speaker 1>because he had told coworkers, I'm in Hesbola, I have

1:12:25.840 --> 1:12:29.360
<v Speaker 1>ties to al Kada. They obviously in investigated him, but

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<v Speaker 1>they found out that he was just fucking lying and

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<v Speaker 1>like none of it was substantiated, and so well, I guess,

1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:36.479
<v Speaker 1>she thought, I guess my husband's not doing anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>The FBI cleared him.

1:12:38.040 --> 1:12:41.479
<v Speaker 1>So a year before the attack, in April twenty fifteen,

1:12:41.680 --> 1:12:44.360
<v Speaker 1>matteen took someone and their son to Disney World, and

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<v Speaker 1>they thought authorities thought that he might have been scouting

1:12:47.720 --> 1:12:50.240
<v Speaker 1>the location as a target and may have even dropped

1:12:50.280 --> 1:12:53.080
<v Speaker 1>hints to his wife about his plan, but her lawyers

1:12:53.120 --> 1:12:55.000
<v Speaker 1>would not allow her to talk about what he said

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<v Speaker 1>to her at Disney. So she had also gone with

1:12:57.360 --> 1:12:59.880
<v Speaker 1>her husband to buy ammunition at Walmart, but she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think this was suspicious. He was a security guard who

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<v Speaker 1>often went to the gun range he worked in security,

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<v Speaker 1>and so when she and her husband and her son

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<v Speaker 1>went with Matene to Orlando in the months before the shooting,

1:13:11.960 --> 1:13:13.760
<v Speaker 1>she claimed she had no idea that he was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like casing pulse, like he was checking it out.

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<v Speaker 4>But when they were.

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<v Speaker 1>Interviewing her, she allegedly made a lot of misleading statements

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<v Speaker 1>to the FBI, but her lawyers argued that the police

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<v Speaker 1>interrogated her for eleven hours, and so she eventually just

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<v Speaker 1>initialed on the dotted line, like went along with their

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<v Speaker 1>narrative because they had exhausted her with their interrogation techniques.

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<v Speaker 4>So six months.

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<v Speaker 1>After the massacre, now it's January of twenty seventeen, she

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<v Speaker 1>is arrested and charged with obstruction of justice and with

1:13:40.000 --> 1:13:44.400
<v Speaker 1>aiding and abetting Mateen's attempted provision and provision of materials

1:13:44.439 --> 1:13:50.080
<v Speaker 1>support to ISIS so on. But on March thirtieth of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, so almost over a year later, and Orlando

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry finds her not guilty as the prosecution had not

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<v Speaker 1>met its burden of proof.

1:13:59.800 --> 1:14:01.799
<v Speaker 4>They had no evidence that she was involved.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of like it's a little bit of

1:14:05.479 --> 1:14:09.680
<v Speaker 1>San Bernardino mixed with this where because she wasn't at

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<v Speaker 1>the actual attack, she was cleared, but because this guy

1:14:13.360 --> 1:14:16.240
<v Speaker 1>dragged in the episode, this guy dragged his wife along,

1:14:17.200 --> 1:14:23.320
<v Speaker 1>she's completely implicated now. So that's that another reference is obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>as we talked about Sam Bernardino, that actually took place

1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:29.000
<v Speaker 1>six months earlier. That's why SVU is making an episode

1:14:29.040 --> 1:14:31.400
<v Speaker 1>about this, Like these attacks were coming bump up up uppa,

1:14:31.479 --> 1:14:34.519
<v Speaker 1>like one after another. Yeah, I don't know, Like I

1:14:34.560 --> 1:14:36.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know why people thought Donald Trump was going to

1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:38.519
<v Speaker 1>be the person to take care of all that. But

1:14:40.040 --> 1:14:43.000
<v Speaker 1>the terrorist attack in San Bernardino took place on December

1:14:43.040 --> 1:14:46.320
<v Speaker 1>second of twenty fifteen when Sayed Risjuan Faruke and tash

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<v Speaker 1>Fiene Malik, a married couple, opened fire on a Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>party at the County Department of Health at the Inland

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<v Speaker 1>Regional Center in San Bernardino, California. And if you know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about California, the regional centers in California, Like regional

1:15:01.280 --> 1:15:04.920
<v Speaker 1>centers are for children and people with disabilities. Like it's

1:15:04.920 --> 1:15:08.320
<v Speaker 1>for like if your child has like a learning disability

1:15:08.439 --> 1:15:10.960
<v Speaker 1>or any kind of physical disability, they go to the

1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:12.040
<v Speaker 1>regional center for therapy.

1:15:12.080 --> 1:15:13.839
<v Speaker 4>They go to the regional center to work with people.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is a place where like people are being helped,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Like it's almost it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like you're not shooting up a congressman's office. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not going somewhere where like the things are being or

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<v Speaker 1>even a church where like you disagree with the religion,

1:15:27.120 --> 1:15:29.479
<v Speaker 1>Like you're going to these places where like people are

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<v Speaker 1>getting help or people are finding family and enjoy, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like like pulse.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like so that the you know, can we ever

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<v Speaker 2>get their motivation for this.

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<v Speaker 4>The lamb Reginoa.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly like why, that's why they're He worked for the

1:15:51.439 --> 1:15:54.200
<v Speaker 1>He worked for the Department of Health, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of just like did like a work shooting.

1:15:57.880 --> 1:16:00.360
<v Speaker 1>He worked like he was like a health inspector while

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<v Speaker 1>and like everybody described him as like a nice guy.

1:16:04.080 --> 1:16:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know what he was doing with his

1:16:05.800 --> 1:16:07.479
<v Speaker 1>wife at home or whatever. I don't know if he

1:16:07.560 --> 1:16:10.160
<v Speaker 1>was abusive, but everyone at worked described him as nice,

1:16:10.160 --> 1:16:13.000
<v Speaker 1>whereas like Matine had been described as like a bully

1:16:13.040 --> 1:16:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and a violent person for most of his life, but

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<v Speaker 1>this guy, you know, different, different.

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<v Speaker 4>So they busted in.

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<v Speaker 1>They killed fourteen people, they seriously injured twenty two more.

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<v Speaker 1>They fled the scene and were eventually killed in a

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<v Speaker 1>shootout with police.

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<v Speaker 4>Faruk was an American born citizen.

1:16:29.360 --> 1:16:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Malik was a Pakistani born a Green card holder, so

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<v Speaker 1>similar to the couple in the episode where you Know

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<v Speaker 1>one's American born, one is you know from an immigrant

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<v Speaker 1>from another country. The couple destroyed their personal phones, but

1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the FBI was able to find Faruk's work phone because

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<v Speaker 1>he worked for the Department of Health. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>government phone, and they found his Apple iPhone five C.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, doesn't that feel like so many versions ago?

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<v Speaker 1>However, they could not unlock the four digit password, and

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<v Speaker 1>all the day would automatically delete after ten failed password attempts,

1:17:04.160 --> 1:17:05.680
<v Speaker 1>which I could never have on my phone because my

1:17:05.760 --> 1:17:07.280
<v Speaker 1>kids are always trying to get into it, and I

1:17:07.280 --> 1:17:09.240
<v Speaker 1>would just have all my data deleted every week. But

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI, in this famous you know, FBI versus Apple situation,

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted Apple to create and electronically sign new software

1:17:20.920 --> 1:17:23.320
<v Speaker 1>that would enable the FBI to unlock the phone.

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<v Speaker 4>So in twenty fifteen and.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty sixteen, Apple received and objected to or challenged at

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<v Speaker 1>least eleven orders issued by US district courts under the

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<v Speaker 1>All Rits Act of seventy eight of seventeen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>which Barbara does mention in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Episode I believe all has it reminded me of a cracker?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I thought it was Rits too, but it's all

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<v Speaker 1>different word Ritz Wriits Act of seventeen eighty nine, which

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<v Speaker 1>empowers federal courts to issue quote all writs necessary or

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<v Speaker 1>appropriate in aid of their respective jurisdictions and agreeable to

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<v Speaker 1>the use and principles of law end quote. So basically

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<v Speaker 1>this is this like ancient fucking two hundred year old

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<v Speaker 1>plus law that basically says that the courts can do

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<v Speaker 1>anything they need to, like aid in their case right,

1:18:17.439 --> 1:18:19.840
<v Speaker 1>they could do anything they need as long as it's

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of agreeable with law. But it's like they

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<v Speaker 1>could have never known about phones or like the privacy

1:18:25.000 --> 1:18:29.759
<v Speaker 1>issues that we encounter today. So basically, the FBI wanted

1:18:29.840 --> 1:18:33.559
<v Speaker 1>Apple to quote to use its existing capabilities to extract

1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:36.639
<v Speaker 1>data like contact photos and calls from locked iPhones running

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<v Speaker 1>on operating systems iOS seven and older end quote to

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<v Speaker 1>help them in their criminal investigations and prosecutions. And then

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<v Speaker 1>a few requests involved phones with more extensive security protections.

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<v Speaker 1>The most famous is which San Bernardino, which is like

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<v Speaker 1>these this ten password attempts before the deletion, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>Apple has no ability to break that. They don't like,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't just give them the phone and say open it.

1:18:59.800 --> 1:19:02.840
<v Speaker 1>They have to write new software to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>open it. And they're like, we're not going to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>My thing is, it's like I don't want the government

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<v Speaker 2>to have control over that. But I don't want a

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<v Speaker 2>company to you know, if fucking musk locking and unlocking

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<v Speaker 2>shit and doing whatever you want.

1:19:14.000 --> 1:19:16.160
<v Speaker 4>To do anything want? Yeah, what do we do?

1:19:16.200 --> 1:19:19.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't want anyone to have access to anything? But

1:19:19.720 --> 1:19:22.160
<v Speaker 2>they have, yeah, both, and they could truly decide. Like

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<v Speaker 2>if the company said fine, we'll do it, that would.

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<v Speaker 4>Have been it. Yeah yeah, and like what we would

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<v Speaker 4>all stop using iPhones? No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, Well, and the orders basically made Apple write this

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<v Speaker 1>new software that would let the government bypass these devices

1:19:39.400 --> 1:19:42.679
<v Speaker 1>security and unlock the phones. But like just in this case,

1:19:43.200 --> 1:19:45.360
<v Speaker 1>or does now the government have that software like and

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<v Speaker 1>they can just put it on any phone they want.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I think maybe was some of the issue as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it wasn't quite the same as there's

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<v Speaker 1>someone at large and we need to get into their

1:19:55.040 --> 1:19:58.559
<v Speaker 1>phone because there's someone you know, like there could be

1:19:58.600 --> 1:20:00.719
<v Speaker 1>more plans in place and we need to get to them.

1:20:00.760 --> 1:20:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Like that's kind of what Barbo's arguing in the episode,

1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:05.280
<v Speaker 1>is like we could stop an attack from happening, But.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the call, Like, if you're willing to give up

1:20:07.760 --> 1:20:12.719
<v Speaker 2>liberty for or freedoms for security, you'll have neither yeah,

1:20:12.800 --> 1:20:14.320
<v Speaker 2>has that Ben Franklin, Who is that?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I just make it up. It's Lee's

1:20:17.000 --> 1:20:19.879
<v Speaker 4>a trigger to me. I don't know. No, that's definitely

1:20:19.920 --> 1:20:20.240
<v Speaker 4>not it.

1:20:21.040 --> 1:20:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I feel like an obnoxious boy in school said that

1:20:23.439 --> 1:20:24.160
<v Speaker 2>once and it's so.

1:20:25.960 --> 1:20:28.559
<v Speaker 4>And he is one of Elon Musk's teens.

1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Now, well that's isn't that the whole thing of Handmaiden's

1:20:32.400 --> 1:20:34.479
<v Speaker 2>Tale where they convinced you like, oh, we just need

1:20:34.520 --> 1:20:35.640
<v Speaker 2>to pause the Constitution.

1:20:35.880 --> 1:20:36.719
<v Speaker 4>That's like the trailer.

1:20:36.800 --> 1:20:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Now we didn't think it'd be forever, but it's like,

1:20:39.040 --> 1:20:41.679
<v Speaker 2>if you're willing to give up liberty or freedom for security,

1:20:41.720 --> 1:20:42.960
<v Speaker 2>you'll end up with none of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:20:45.000 --> 1:20:47.320
<v Speaker 2>But if someone's being abused, like yeah, get in there,

1:20:47.320 --> 1:20:48.920
<v Speaker 2>it's like so tough, it's so tough.

1:20:49.040 --> 1:20:51.240
<v Speaker 4>Yes, my rules are tough. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Because you'd think that they could do it like

1:20:53.400 --> 1:20:55.920
<v Speaker 1>case by case basis, like sure, we'll break this phone

1:20:55.920 --> 1:20:59.400
<v Speaker 1>if it's like to like someone with plans to hijack

1:20:59.479 --> 1:21:03.400
<v Speaker 1>a plane or do something crazy, you know, But in

1:21:03.439 --> 1:21:05.200
<v Speaker 1>this case it was like they were trying to find

1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:08.240
<v Speaker 1>Old it was his work phone and he was dead.

1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:09.720
<v Speaker 4>And in this case.

1:21:10.640 --> 1:21:14.800
<v Speaker 1>When the order compelled Apple to do it, Apple declined

1:21:14.880 --> 1:21:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to create the software, and then a hearing was scheduled. However,

1:21:18.040 --> 1:21:19.880
<v Speaker 1>a day before the hearing was supposed to happen, the

1:21:19.920 --> 1:21:22.400
<v Speaker 1>government obtained a delay, saying it had found a third

1:21:22.439 --> 1:21:25.120
<v Speaker 1>party able to assist in unlocking the phone. I don't

1:21:25.160 --> 1:21:26.880
<v Speaker 1>know if that's like, but they found like a hacker,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know. And then the government claimed that

1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:32.360
<v Speaker 1>the FBI had unlocked the iPhone and withdrew its requests.

1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:35.080
<v Speaker 1>So the whole thing kind of like went away.

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<v Speaker 4>I have no idea about. The La Times reported that quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI eventually found that Fruke's phone had information only

1:21:41.400 --> 1:21:43.519
<v Speaker 1>about work and he and it revealed nothing about the

1:21:43.520 --> 1:21:45.280
<v Speaker 1>plot end quote.

1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:47.920
<v Speaker 4>So that's what the La Times reported. So and it's

1:21:48.000 --> 1:21:48.960
<v Speaker 4>what my quote is.

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<v Speaker 2>And you get nothing, you give up your you know,

1:21:51.800 --> 1:21:53.400
<v Speaker 2>you let them whirl around.

1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:58.200
<v Speaker 4>They're not finding anything. Yeah, got nothing, yeah yeah, yeah,

1:21:58.240 --> 1:21:58.720
<v Speaker 4>I mean this.

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<v Speaker 1>They were also talking about how they this episode was

1:22:00.600 --> 1:22:03.719
<v Speaker 1>based on like the Sarna Brothers from but from uh,

1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:06.840
<v Speaker 1>the Boston Marathon and other guys that have killed people

1:22:06.880 --> 1:22:09.599
<v Speaker 1>in terrorist attacks in the name of ISIS and stuff

1:22:09.640 --> 1:22:12.080
<v Speaker 1>like that. But I didn't really feel like it was

1:22:12.120 --> 1:22:14.800
<v Speaker 1>necessary to just like, uh, you know, tell you take

1:22:14.840 --> 1:22:17.240
<v Speaker 1>you guys through twenty terrorist attacks. I feel like these

1:22:17.280 --> 1:22:20.400
<v Speaker 1>two and the iPhone and the apple thing are like

1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the most drawn from the episode, so that that's that.

1:22:24.280 --> 1:22:29.120
<v Speaker 1>And you know, like unfortunately, like in my research, I

1:22:29.120 --> 1:22:34.120
<v Speaker 1>don't think there was any indication that tash fiend Malik

1:22:34.880 --> 1:22:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Sayed Foruk's wife was being compelled in any way. Like

1:22:38.920 --> 1:22:41.600
<v Speaker 1>I think she also shot, used the gun and was

1:22:41.640 --> 1:22:42.599
<v Speaker 1>also like part of it.

1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:46.639
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I was just exciting to have a woman involved,

1:22:46.680 --> 1:22:46.880
<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 1>I will add this one other thing, sayed Farouk's mother

1:22:59.040 --> 1:23:02.160
<v Speaker 1>actually pled guilt to a federal criminal charge of intending

1:23:02.240 --> 1:23:05.760
<v Speaker 1>to impede a federal criminal investigation because she shredded a

1:23:05.800 --> 1:23:09.519
<v Speaker 1>map that her son had made in connection with the attack.

1:23:10.560 --> 1:23:14.920
<v Speaker 4>So she did plead guilty. And uh, I'm truf mo.

1:23:15.720 --> 1:23:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very boy, mom, hide everything.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, it's like it's fucking it's dark. It's dark.

1:23:28.040 --> 1:23:30.559
<v Speaker 2>But I also remember these being such a big deal,

1:23:30.680 --> 1:23:34.639
<v Speaker 2>and now it's like, you know, we're almost a decade later,

1:23:36.160 --> 1:23:39.479
<v Speaker 2>and well we're so used to these in a really

1:23:39.520 --> 1:23:40.240
<v Speaker 2>sick way.

1:23:41.320 --> 1:23:41.559
<v Speaker 4>I know.

1:23:41.640 --> 1:23:45.160
<v Speaker 1>But it's also like now I think, well, they're being

1:23:45.160 --> 1:23:48.400
<v Speaker 1>treated different, and we're doing it so much for ourselves.

1:23:48.400 --> 1:23:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Like mass shootings are now not in the name of

1:23:50.240 --> 1:23:53.400
<v Speaker 1>anything religious, they're just like men doing it, you know,

1:23:54.720 --> 1:23:57.639
<v Speaker 1>so well it is really I think it's it's it's

1:23:58.640 --> 1:24:00.560
<v Speaker 1>if it's not a religion, it's a dog, right, or

1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:03.560
<v Speaker 1>it's something you're doing it for, you know, they in

1:24:03.760 --> 1:24:08.120
<v Speaker 1>cell vibes or for Trump, whatever it is, or race like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's whatever. How many of them are just I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to teach people, I don't know whatever. Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's just like we went for a Yeah, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just think about Parkland and the cops just kind of chilling,

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<v Speaker 1>not really doing anything, and of Olday listening.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, of old days what I was thinking of,

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<v Speaker 4>not Parkland. It's hard we get them confused.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been so many monumental mass shootings in our lifetimes.

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<v Speaker 4>But but I like that the mom was charged.

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe in parents being taken in when they're yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>kids betting guns to score do anything. I think parents

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<v Speaker 2>should be fully held responsible.

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<v Speaker 4>M hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So the mother of the shooter, also just to follow up,

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<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to six months of home confinement and three

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<v Speaker 1>years of probation for shredding the document and she was

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<v Speaker 1>fined fifty five hundred dollars. It's pretty chill, to be honest,

1:25:01.880 --> 1:25:04.360
<v Speaker 1>that was pretty chill. Maybe she shredded a map after

1:25:04.439 --> 1:25:05.960
<v Speaker 1>it was done. It's kind of a kin to just

1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:09.080
<v Speaker 1>destroying evidence, like it wouldn't have saved anybody, you know. Now,

1:25:09.120 --> 1:25:10.880
<v Speaker 1>it's just destroying evidence after the fact.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's get to our interview, because we actually have

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<v Speaker 1>a great interview that's gonna cleanse your palette right up.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Our guest today is an actor who you might know

1:25:30.600 --> 1:25:33.960
<v Speaker 1>from films like The Final Cut Tape or The Laura

1:25:34.040 --> 1:25:36.720
<v Speaker 1>dern Led The Tale. He's also been all over the

1:25:36.800 --> 1:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Jick Wolf universe with roles in FBI, FBI International, in Chicago,

1:25:40.320 --> 1:25:43.200
<v Speaker 1>med but you know him today as the terrorist brother

1:25:43.200 --> 1:25:47.519
<v Speaker 1>in law from hell armand Sidron. Please enjoy our really

1:25:47.520 --> 1:25:49.640
<v Speaker 1>lovely chat with Tarrek Bshara.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, so nice to meet you.

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<v Speaker 6>Pleasure Pleasures on mine. How's it going?

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<v Speaker 4>Hye? All right?

1:25:55.520 --> 1:25:57.960
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, are you terrorized? Are you terrorized?

1:25:58.040 --> 1:25:59.000
<v Speaker 4>Or oh my god?

1:25:59.040 --> 1:26:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I have this screen light paused on like you and

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<v Speaker 1>Marushka Hargeta like like in each other's faces right now.

1:26:05.040 --> 1:26:07.719
<v Speaker 4>So this is like perfect I was watching it earlier.

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<v Speaker 5>Is like an angel on herth we don't deserve her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then you've been picked to play like two

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bad guys in two different episodes. I mean, we're

1:26:18.320 --> 1:26:21.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about Terrorized, but we're obviously gonna need to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about street Wise a little bit as well, if

1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you're okay with that, because that's a huge episode Wise.

1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you had you had huge stunts. I mean, I

1:26:28.600 --> 1:26:31.160
<v Speaker 2>don't even know where to start. That was like an

1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:32.240
<v Speaker 2>insane episode.

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<v Speaker 5>I actually broke I broke a finger on that episode.

1:26:35.479 --> 1:26:38.519
<v Speaker 1>On street Wise, I believe. I mean that was you

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<v Speaker 1>running for that truck and everything and jumping.

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<v Speaker 6>On it exactly, and they asked me to They asked

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<v Speaker 6>for me to use the stunt double and I'm like, no,

1:26:47.000 --> 1:26:48.679
<v Speaker 6>come on, I can do this, And then of course

1:26:48.720 --> 1:26:51.280
<v Speaker 6>when you're actually doing it, it's like what am I thinking?

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<v Speaker 1>How essential was the finger? I mean was it one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ones that we use a lot or like yeah, okay, they.

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<v Speaker 5>Just taped it up and we kept going.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Actually, me and Chris Maloney had a fight scene

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<v Speaker 6>after that that we did after I broke my finger

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<v Speaker 6>and they're like, do you want to stop? And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 6>absolutely not, Let's go yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>With a chain. Yeah, you had a lot of action.

1:27:11.520 --> 1:27:14.960
<v Speaker 2>How many takes? Were you tired running? Were you ready?

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<v Speaker 5>So here's the here's the interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 6>I actually sat down with christ in between takes at

1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:21.800
<v Speaker 6>a certain point and I was like, how do you

1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:24.559
<v Speaker 6>do this like six days a week for years on end?

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<v Speaker 5>And he was really smart.

1:27:25.880 --> 1:27:28.760
<v Speaker 6>His answer was really smart, He goes it took he said,

1:27:28.800 --> 1:27:30.720
<v Speaker 6>it took him about a year for his body to

1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:34.719
<v Speaker 6>get used to that amount, that volume of work, the lines,

1:27:34.800 --> 1:27:37.320
<v Speaker 6>the action, all those things. It took him a year

1:27:37.439 --> 1:27:39.960
<v Speaker 6>to really his body to acclimate to that because they

1:27:40.000 --> 1:27:42.719
<v Speaker 6>work so hard, those guys. I mean, it's like, ah,

1:27:42.760 --> 1:27:45.720
<v Speaker 6>it's really, it's really it's a really endurance game. I

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<v Speaker 6>think at a certain.

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<v Speaker 4>Point, yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And then iced teasing advice is always don't stand if

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<v Speaker 1>you can sit down, don't sit down if you can

1:27:53.800 --> 1:27:56.439
<v Speaker 1>lie down. So you know, and if you watch this

1:27:56.560 --> 1:28:00.479
<v Speaker 1>show you see it in an action, you see a leaning,

1:28:00.560 --> 1:28:04.000
<v Speaker 1>it's like an amazingly and you also for street Wise,

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<v Speaker 1>there was eyeliner, there was dirt, there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>There was like chain belts. Do you remember the process.

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<v Speaker 4>Tattoo?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah? Yeah, you know, as actors, we love all this stuff.

1:28:18.040 --> 1:28:23.479
<v Speaker 6>But my friends refer to that episode as the eyeliner episode. Yeah,

1:28:23.640 --> 1:28:25.680
<v Speaker 6>I'm like, it's fun. I mean, you know, you get

1:28:25.720 --> 1:28:27.840
<v Speaker 6>to do things as characters like that that you you know,

1:28:28.000 --> 1:28:31.799
<v Speaker 6>most people normally I don't do and except for Halloween

1:28:31.840 --> 1:28:33.800
<v Speaker 6>maybe and stuff like that. But all that stuff was

1:28:33.840 --> 1:28:36.240
<v Speaker 6>so fun because it gives you half the performance. You know,

1:28:36.800 --> 1:28:40.479
<v Speaker 6>those touches, the costumes and all those kinds of things,

1:28:40.720 --> 1:28:43.240
<v Speaker 6>the chain, all those things. You kind of walk around

1:28:43.240 --> 1:28:45.960
<v Speaker 6>then with a different kind of like weight in a way,

1:28:46.000 --> 1:28:47.759
<v Speaker 6>it's like it's a little bit more of a swagger,

1:28:47.800 --> 1:28:50.120
<v Speaker 6>a little bit more of like fu, you know, versus

1:28:50.160 --> 1:28:52.320
<v Speaker 6>like hello. You know, it's very different.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's also wild that you were like just like

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<v Speaker 2>such an agro person living on the streets but made

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<v Speaker 2>sure to have your eyeliner.

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<v Speaker 4>That was a priority for you and your family.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, You're out there killing kids and then being like,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just make sure I've got a smoky cat eye.

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<v Speaker 6>Both of those characters are so effing evil. It's like no,

1:29:14.240 --> 1:29:17.000
<v Speaker 6>but you know, you know, Jonathan Strauss, the casting director

1:29:17.080 --> 1:29:19.479
<v Speaker 6>is like, he's a friend, a friend, he's become a friend.

1:29:19.560 --> 1:29:21.040
<v Speaker 6>I met him when he was an assistant at Todd

1:29:21.120 --> 1:29:23.559
<v Speaker 6>Dayler's office, and he was so generously put me in

1:29:23.560 --> 1:29:25.840
<v Speaker 6>both of these shows. I've actually done I think five

1:29:25.880 --> 1:29:28.360
<v Speaker 6>Dick Wolf shows at this point, and.

1:29:28.800 --> 1:29:29.960
<v Speaker 5>He knows me really well.

1:29:30.000 --> 1:29:32.240
<v Speaker 6>You I'm the opposite of both of those characters. But

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<v Speaker 6>as an actor, I really like exploring the shadow side

1:29:35.720 --> 1:29:37.720
<v Speaker 6>like that because it's like this safe space where you

1:29:37.760 --> 1:29:41.439
<v Speaker 6>can go lose it and then it's caught and it's

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<v Speaker 6>like all right, let's go have dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh y, yeah, because you lose it in the courtroom too.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In that episode, you really have gotten all the Bingo

1:29:49.479 --> 1:29:52.639
<v Speaker 2>cards and you got to like, I mean yeah, going

1:29:52.720 --> 1:29:56.200
<v Speaker 2>in between episodes because you also that arrests and Terrorized

1:29:56.320 --> 1:29:58.559
<v Speaker 2>is like a lot of action and flipping out too.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's really fun.

1:30:00.439 --> 1:30:03.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and a lot of that's on the Bengo card too.

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<v Speaker 1>Is like you have to get within inch within kissing

1:30:05.920 --> 1:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>distance really of one of the stars, and Marishka is

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<v Speaker 1>like really in your face in this one, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so Mariska.

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<v Speaker 6>So that was that episode and then the first one

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<v Speaker 6>with Maloney, he also is like right here. Yeah, yeah,

1:30:20.280 --> 1:30:23.120
<v Speaker 6>he's a close talker, but he but he was really

1:30:23.160 --> 1:30:25.479
<v Speaker 6>smart with me. You know, both of them are so

1:30:25.680 --> 1:30:27.920
<v Speaker 6>seasoned that when guest actors come on, at least my

1:30:27.960 --> 1:30:29.840
<v Speaker 6>experience of them is like they kind of really in

1:30:29.880 --> 1:30:31.840
<v Speaker 6>a way take them under the wing a little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>So for me with that scene with Maloney where he's

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<v Speaker 6>in my face, there was certain takes where I was like,

1:30:36.720 --> 1:30:39.320
<v Speaker 6>he was right there and my character was like very

1:30:39.400 --> 1:30:41.840
<v Speaker 6>much like intimidated by him for a second, and I

1:30:41.880 --> 1:30:44.200
<v Speaker 6>would look away, but that was the actor looking away,

1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:47.360
<v Speaker 6>not the character looking away. So Maloney's like, don't look away.

1:30:47.560 --> 1:30:49.200
<v Speaker 6>He wouldn't look away, and I was like, you're one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred percent right, and so it completely changed that moment

1:30:52.280 --> 1:30:54.240
<v Speaker 6>of that focus of like I'm going eye to eye

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<v Speaker 6>with you and I'm not looking away kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 5>It was great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought he could out run Stabler. He thought

1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:04.200
<v Speaker 1>he could choke him with a chain. He was really

1:31:04.200 --> 1:31:04.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to get him.

1:31:05.120 --> 1:31:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, you seem like you're you have a lot of

1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:09.960
<v Speaker 2>fun playing these two really evil guys. Is there any

1:31:10.040 --> 1:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of like what's your process or is it as

1:31:13.200 --> 1:31:15.000
<v Speaker 2>relaxed as how we're talking about it or does it

1:31:15.040 --> 1:31:17.599
<v Speaker 2>like take you know, do you have to get get evil?

1:31:18.640 --> 1:31:22.880
<v Speaker 6>So I usually to get into that particular space is

1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:26.160
<v Speaker 6>finding something that I would fight for. So it's almost

1:31:26.240 --> 1:31:29.040
<v Speaker 6>like the opposite. It's not like i'd imagine like wanting

1:31:29.080 --> 1:31:31.439
<v Speaker 6>to directly hurt someone. It's getting to the place of

1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:33.960
<v Speaker 6>like what am I true, what would I life and

1:31:34.000 --> 1:31:37.439
<v Speaker 6>death situation fight for? And then apply that feeling and

1:31:37.560 --> 1:31:41.040
<v Speaker 6>emotion to my imagination of what the character circumstance. So

1:31:41.080 --> 1:31:44.120
<v Speaker 6>I'm not like acting outside the circumstance. I'm in the circumstance.

1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:46.519
<v Speaker 6>But to get to that energy and to that place

1:31:46.560 --> 1:31:49.400
<v Speaker 6>of like, you know, either quote I'm gonna kill you

1:31:49.479 --> 1:31:52.160
<v Speaker 6>or I'm gonna get you or whatever, it's like, Okay,

1:31:52.200 --> 1:31:54.920
<v Speaker 6>I'm fighting to defend something I really care about, right,

1:31:55.000 --> 1:31:57.439
<v Speaker 6>So if if I don't get you, you're gonna get

1:31:57.439 --> 1:31:59.000
<v Speaker 6>me or you're gonna get my family. So it's this

1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:01.479
<v Speaker 6>weird kind of actor trick that they use for just

1:32:01.479 --> 1:32:04.400
<v Speaker 6>getting into circumstance. And then once you're in the circumstance,

1:32:04.439 --> 1:32:07.960
<v Speaker 6>of course, you use your imagination to be where the

1:32:08.040 --> 1:32:11.639
<v Speaker 6>character is in the courtroom in the interrogation where.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, and then do you have any like tidbits

1:32:17.280 --> 1:32:19.760
<v Speaker 2>stories that our listeners would like.

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<v Speaker 4>The inside scoop.

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<v Speaker 6>Hmmm, what's the inside scoop? I will say that.

1:32:25.880 --> 1:32:27.080
<v Speaker 5>I will say a couple of things.

1:32:27.120 --> 1:32:30.960
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, when we shot Terrorized, that the

1:32:31.080 --> 1:32:34.240
<v Speaker 6>moment when they take me out in handcuffs at kind

1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:35.800
<v Speaker 6>of towards the end of the episode and I kind

1:32:35.840 --> 1:32:38.960
<v Speaker 6>of lean in towards Mariska. That scene was really interesting

1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:41.000
<v Speaker 6>because we shot it on the street, and everyone in

1:32:41.040 --> 1:32:42.160
<v Speaker 6>New York knows who Mariska.

1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:43.240
<v Speaker 5>Everyone in the world knows.

1:32:43.160 --> 1:32:45.639
<v Speaker 6>Who she is. But on the street, people would stop

1:32:45.680 --> 1:32:48.599
<v Speaker 6>and kind of like form a circle behind the camera,

1:32:49.080 --> 1:32:52.640
<v Speaker 6>and people would really kind of be like like Mariska Mariska.

1:32:52.800 --> 1:32:55.759
<v Speaker 6>And what I loved is that she was so generous

1:32:55.800 --> 1:32:59.360
<v Speaker 6>with everybody. She always was acknowledging, always talking to people,

1:32:59.439 --> 1:33:02.240
<v Speaker 6>just treating peo people with respect. So, I mean, I

1:33:02.280 --> 1:33:05.040
<v Speaker 6>don't know if that's juicy tidbit, but that's that's.

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<v Speaker 5>The experience I had with her.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, you know, I wanted to tell you interestingly,

1:33:10.200 --> 1:33:13.639
<v Speaker 6>So I wasn't supposed to do Terrorized. I wasn't supposed

1:33:13.640 --> 1:33:15.880
<v Speaker 6>to actually get that. What happened was is that I

1:33:15.960 --> 1:33:19.720
<v Speaker 6>auditioned for the first one with May Whitman, and I

1:33:19.760 --> 1:33:22.760
<v Speaker 6>think that they had an actor already in for Terrorized

1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:24.800
<v Speaker 6>that didn't work out for some reason or another, I

1:33:24.800 --> 1:33:27.320
<v Speaker 6>don't know why. And so my agent calls me and

1:33:27.360 --> 1:33:29.920
<v Speaker 6>she's like, you know, I just got an offer that

1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:32.000
<v Speaker 6>came through for SVU And I'm like, are you sure,

1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:34.599
<v Speaker 6>I've already done the show and she was like yeah,

1:33:34.640 --> 1:33:36.880
<v Speaker 6>and they want you to leave tomorrow and I'm like okay.

1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:37.880
<v Speaker 6>So then I get the script.

1:33:37.880 --> 1:33:40.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, gosh, this guy is a nightmare. This is

1:33:40.439 --> 1:33:41.559
<v Speaker 5>going to be let's go.

1:33:42.920 --> 1:33:44.800
<v Speaker 4>That's awesome. Well I was.

1:33:45.040 --> 1:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I was obviously like googling you, and I found a

1:33:48.960 --> 1:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>bunch of articles where you're talking about how like when

1:33:53.080 --> 1:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>you first started out as an actor, you're you went

1:33:55.080 --> 1:33:57.840
<v Speaker 1>under a different name, right, You went under Tom Bishops,

1:33:58.040 --> 1:34:00.280
<v Speaker 1>And that's what when you did this role, you were

1:34:00.320 --> 1:34:02.559
<v Speaker 1>under or at least street Wise And I think even

1:34:02.560 --> 1:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>for this one, you hadn't changed yet back to your

1:34:05.320 --> 1:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>original name, which, right, your given name, which is Taric. Right. So,

1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and you talked a little bit about it, like how

1:34:12.360 --> 1:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>casting directors told you, like change your name back in

1:34:15.840 --> 1:34:16.679
<v Speaker 1>the day, right.

1:34:16.800 --> 1:34:20.640
<v Speaker 6>Well, you mean to Tom Bishops Yeah, So here's the deal. Like,

1:34:21.120 --> 1:34:25.160
<v Speaker 6>you know, my my family are Arabs, were I'm Arab American,

1:34:25.200 --> 1:34:29.200
<v Speaker 6>first generation born in Brooklyn, and you know, I had

1:34:29.320 --> 1:34:33.000
<v Speaker 6>just started acting professionally post nine to eleven and at

1:34:33.160 --> 1:34:36.160
<v Speaker 6>you know, every role after that for any Arab acter

1:34:36.479 --> 1:34:39.880
<v Speaker 6>was a terrorist role or a horrible, horrible human being

1:34:39.920 --> 1:34:43.040
<v Speaker 6>that was one dimensional, and I just didn't want to

1:34:43.080 --> 1:34:45.080
<v Speaker 6>play that. I just felt like I was capable of

1:34:45.120 --> 1:34:46.840
<v Speaker 6>more than that. I didn't like that, I didn't want

1:34:46.880 --> 1:34:49.799
<v Speaker 6>to represent that, and so I changed to Tom Bishops

1:34:49.920 --> 1:34:52.760
<v Speaker 6>and I worked a lot, like I did. I did

1:34:52.840 --> 1:34:56.480
<v Speaker 6>a lot of a pretty incredible work as Tom Bishops.

1:34:56.520 --> 1:34:59.080
<v Speaker 6>And then after a certain point, I thought to myself,

1:35:00.280 --> 1:35:04.759
<v Speaker 6>you know, this has started to feel inauthentic for me personally.

1:35:04.840 --> 1:35:06.439
<v Speaker 6>I think that a lot of people change their name

1:35:06.479 --> 1:35:08.160
<v Speaker 6>for different reasons and it works for them and they

1:35:08.160 --> 1:35:10.120
<v Speaker 6>feel completely fine about it. But for me, it was

1:35:10.560 --> 1:35:12.200
<v Speaker 6>and I don't regret it, but it was a fear

1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:13.960
<v Speaker 6>based decision. It was like, how am I going to

1:35:14.000 --> 1:35:18.280
<v Speaker 6>get through this business being constantly stereotyped or politicized? And

1:35:18.280 --> 1:35:19.559
<v Speaker 6>then you win, I was like, I just don't want

1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:21.360
<v Speaker 6>to I'm an artist, I'm an actor. I just want

1:35:21.360 --> 1:35:24.320
<v Speaker 6>to do my work. And so a couple of years

1:35:24.360 --> 1:35:27.760
<v Speaker 6>ago I just changed it back and it was like

1:35:27.880 --> 1:35:29.080
<v Speaker 6>people didn't know what, you know.

1:35:29.640 --> 1:35:31.680
<v Speaker 5>I was told that it's not going to be the

1:35:31.680 --> 1:35:32.200
<v Speaker 5>best move.

1:35:32.280 --> 1:35:34.720
<v Speaker 6>You're already kind of you know, semi established in this

1:35:34.880 --> 1:35:36.760
<v Speaker 6>you have press and this and then whatever. And I

1:35:36.800 --> 1:35:38.080
<v Speaker 6>was like, yeah, but I just have to do this.

1:35:38.360 --> 1:35:41.200
<v Speaker 6>So I changed it back to Tarak Bishara. I didn't

1:35:41.240 --> 1:35:43.120
<v Speaker 6>work for like a year and a half after that,

1:35:43.800 --> 1:35:46.160
<v Speaker 6>and I wasn't sure whether it was like people were

1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:48.920
<v Speaker 6>catching up with the fact that Tom Bishops is now

1:35:48.960 --> 1:35:53.519
<v Speaker 6>my assistant and now I'm Tarak Pishara because I still

1:35:53.600 --> 1:35:56.320
<v Speaker 6>have Tom Bishop's emails. I do that as like, you know,

1:35:56.479 --> 1:35:57.519
<v Speaker 6>send it to Tom Bishops.

1:35:57.560 --> 1:36:00.880
<v Speaker 5>Pretty funny. But eventually, you know, all sorts.

1:36:00.600 --> 1:36:02.920
<v Speaker 6>Out and and uh, I think it was the better

1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:05.280
<v Speaker 6>decision to change it back. And I don't regret anything.

1:36:05.280 --> 1:36:07.439
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it was a learning process. I was young,

1:36:07.720 --> 1:36:11.000
<v Speaker 6>you know, you learn a lot in the game perspective, and.

1:36:11.000 --> 1:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, no, it's totally understandable, especially like at the

1:36:15.240 --> 1:36:18.080
<v Speaker 1>time period that you were entering the acting world.

1:36:18.280 --> 1:36:20.760
<v Speaker 4>For sure, you know, how did you come up with

1:36:20.800 --> 1:36:21.400
<v Speaker 4>the name.

1:36:21.800 --> 1:36:24.559
<v Speaker 6>Okay so here? So here's what It's really funny. So

1:36:25.040 --> 1:36:27.080
<v Speaker 6>mind you, back in the day, Tom Cruise was like

1:36:27.120 --> 1:36:30.360
<v Speaker 6>my I mean, I still think he's really talented, but

1:36:30.800 --> 1:36:33.000
<v Speaker 6>he was like my absolute idol. Back in the day.

1:36:33.040 --> 1:36:34.960
<v Speaker 6>I was like this guy, how do you do all this?

1:36:35.080 --> 1:36:37.200
<v Speaker 6>So that was like, all right, Tom, I was going

1:36:37.240 --> 1:36:41.280
<v Speaker 6>to do tom Bishar and tom Bishar was taken. So

1:36:42.080 --> 1:36:45.120
<v Speaker 6>then I changed it to thhom Bishara.

1:36:45.680 --> 1:36:47.360
<v Speaker 5>That was taken, and so.

1:36:47.320 --> 1:36:51.320
<v Speaker 6>Then then I was like, all right, we're going full bishops.

1:36:51.520 --> 1:36:54.400
<v Speaker 6>So it was thho on bishops this evolution. I signed

1:36:54.439 --> 1:36:56.840
<v Speaker 6>up with SEG and that was the end of it.

1:36:56.880 --> 1:36:58.040
<v Speaker 4>Is it still your sad Carter?

1:36:58.200 --> 1:36:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Now?

1:36:58.360 --> 1:36:59.000
<v Speaker 4>They?

1:36:59.520 --> 1:36:59.760
<v Speaker 3>No?

1:36:59.760 --> 1:37:01.880
<v Speaker 5>No, I switched everything everything.

1:37:01.439 --> 1:37:03.479
<v Speaker 1>And now it's like Google knows you can look up

1:37:03.479 --> 1:37:05.960
<v Speaker 1>both names and it's always you like both pop up,

1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:08.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, like it's like Google knows someone's changed their name.

1:37:09.320 --> 1:37:11.439
<v Speaker 4>Was it weird? Do people call you Tom that met

1:37:11.479 --> 1:37:12.400
<v Speaker 4>you during that time?

1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:15.040
<v Speaker 6>Yeah? And it's really funny because I still have some

1:37:15.080 --> 1:37:17.080
<v Speaker 6>friends that I don't see very often and they're like

1:37:17.120 --> 1:37:19.280
<v Speaker 6>hey Tom, and I'm like I kind of like who,

1:37:19.920 --> 1:37:22.200
<v Speaker 6>Like I almost forget sometimes and then they're like, oh

1:37:22.240 --> 1:37:24.360
<v Speaker 6>my god, Tark and I'm like, yeah, it's all good.

1:37:24.360 --> 1:37:26.160
<v Speaker 6>I get it. I mean, you know, it was for

1:37:26.200 --> 1:37:29.120
<v Speaker 6>that period of time. I would coach my friends when

1:37:29.160 --> 1:37:30.880
<v Speaker 6>we go out in LA and stuff, and I'd be like,

1:37:30.960 --> 1:37:33.439
<v Speaker 6>remember Tom, not Tark. And then I look back on that,

1:37:33.520 --> 1:37:36.240
<v Speaker 6>I'm like, what was I think? You know, but that's

1:37:36.280 --> 1:37:38.360
<v Speaker 6>where I was at that moment, So let it be.

1:37:38.680 --> 1:37:40.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, no, I think it's I think it's

1:37:40.800 --> 1:37:41.600
<v Speaker 1>totally understandable.

1:37:41.600 --> 1:37:43.200
<v Speaker 4>But I also think it's cool that you change back.

1:37:43.240 --> 1:37:45.760
<v Speaker 4>You're like, now you know this is me.

1:37:46.680 --> 1:37:49.200
<v Speaker 6>I think also, you know, part of representing is really

1:37:49.240 --> 1:37:54.200
<v Speaker 6>important to me. And and you know, you know, we're

1:37:54.240 --> 1:37:57.600
<v Speaker 6>all complex, layered human beings, and I think that that

1:37:57.640 --> 1:38:01.880
<v Speaker 6>should be represented on screen, you know, across the board.

1:38:02.200 --> 1:38:04.759
<v Speaker 6>You know, you know, no matter what culture you come from,

1:38:05.160 --> 1:38:08.960
<v Speaker 6>there's going to be fantastic, incredible, wonderful people and some

1:38:09.000 --> 1:38:13.200
<v Speaker 6>weirdo marginal characters that that really kind of end up

1:38:13.240 --> 1:38:16.120
<v Speaker 6>making it into the zeitgeist on film and TV more

1:38:16.160 --> 1:38:18.080
<v Speaker 6>than the others. And so like, you know, now I'm

1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:20.439
<v Speaker 6>developing a bunch of projects as a writer as well

1:38:20.479 --> 1:38:23.759
<v Speaker 6>as an actor where you know, I kind of allow

1:38:23.840 --> 1:38:29.240
<v Speaker 6>there to be an expansive representation of any kind of character.

1:38:29.400 --> 1:38:31.280
<v Speaker 6>So it's not like good or bad or one of

1:38:31.280 --> 1:38:32.200
<v Speaker 6>the other kind of things.

1:38:32.320 --> 1:38:32.519
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1:38:32.920 --> 1:38:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, and now we've had so many like there's just

1:38:35.040 --> 1:38:37.559
<v Speaker 1>there was like kind of a golden age of like

1:38:39.040 --> 1:38:42.120
<v Speaker 1>bad good people, you know, like Walter White, Nurse Jackie,

1:38:42.200 --> 1:38:45.840
<v Speaker 1>like all these people that are you know, everyone contains multitudes.

1:38:46.680 --> 1:38:47.320
<v Speaker 6>Absolutely.

1:38:47.400 --> 1:38:49.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, I want to know about your time with Laura

1:38:49.800 --> 1:38:53.879
<v Speaker 2>Dern on the set of Tale.

1:38:53.920 --> 1:38:56.040
<v Speaker 5>An incredible, incredible actress.

1:38:56.080 --> 1:38:59.280
<v Speaker 6>So that film was produced by a couple of friends

1:38:59.280 --> 1:39:03.479
<v Speaker 6>of mine, Laura and Rain Moherman and Lauren Singuly. And

1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:07.840
<v Speaker 6>you know, it was a really intense story Jennifer Fox.

1:39:07.840 --> 1:39:10.639
<v Speaker 6>It's her actually real life story, the director's story and writer.

1:39:11.000 --> 1:39:13.679
<v Speaker 6>And so I came in an audition like everybody else,

1:39:13.720 --> 1:39:16.960
<v Speaker 6>and they ended up giving me a part playing someone that.

1:39:17.000 --> 1:39:19.439
<v Speaker 5>Helped Laura find the truth about what really happened.

1:39:20.040 --> 1:39:23.120
<v Speaker 6>And I remember one day when we were shooting, Laura

1:39:23.160 --> 1:39:25.560
<v Speaker 6>has this really interesting thing where we start the conversation

1:39:25.680 --> 1:39:26.639
<v Speaker 6>before they yell action.

1:39:27.360 --> 1:39:29.400
<v Speaker 5>I really love that and I still use that to

1:39:29.439 --> 1:39:29.840
<v Speaker 5>this day.

1:39:29.920 --> 1:39:32.400
<v Speaker 6>So it's you know, we were The stuff we did

1:39:32.439 --> 1:39:36.360
<v Speaker 6>together was extremely conversational, intimate conversations, and so we would

1:39:36.360 --> 1:39:39.720
<v Speaker 6>start the conversation about you know, a minute before they

1:39:39.800 --> 1:39:42.920
<v Speaker 6>yelled action or thirty seconds whatever it was, and so

1:39:43.000 --> 1:39:45.600
<v Speaker 6>that way, when they yieled action, we were mid conversation,

1:39:46.160 --> 1:39:48.160
<v Speaker 6>just two people sitting in there talking. And that's like

1:39:48.280 --> 1:39:51.040
<v Speaker 6>one of the my favorite things as an actor to

1:39:51.080 --> 1:39:54.400
<v Speaker 6>do is you capture these super intimate moments between people

1:39:54.960 --> 1:39:58.080
<v Speaker 6>where you know, I mean, I think, you know, actors

1:39:58.120 --> 1:40:00.719
<v Speaker 6>always have to be a little bit crazy to ignore

1:40:00.920 --> 1:40:04.240
<v Speaker 6>all that that's going on behind them and just focus

1:40:04.320 --> 1:40:06.800
<v Speaker 6>on what's happening there. And that was one of those

1:40:06.840 --> 1:40:09.720
<v Speaker 6>moments where I'm like, you know, you learn so much

1:40:09.760 --> 1:40:12.240
<v Speaker 6>from people that are that, you know, talented, and they're

1:40:12.240 --> 1:40:14.679
<v Speaker 6>that successful for reason. So I just kind of took

1:40:14.680 --> 1:40:16.960
<v Speaker 6>those lessons. I kind of try to take lessons. Like

1:40:17.000 --> 1:40:18.760
<v Speaker 6>I did a film with Robin Williams. I learned a

1:40:18.880 --> 1:40:21.040
<v Speaker 6>hundred things from them. I did a film with Richard

1:40:21.080 --> 1:40:23.920
<v Speaker 6>gear I learned another hundred things from him. So you

1:40:24.040 --> 1:40:27.120
<v Speaker 6>kind of like pick up what they're doing. I love

1:40:27.160 --> 1:40:28.960
<v Speaker 6>to watch so when I'm not in scenes, I'll be

1:40:29.000 --> 1:40:30.639
<v Speaker 6>behind the camera and I'm like, what are they doing?

1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:31.960
<v Speaker 5>How are they doing that?

1:40:32.000 --> 1:40:33.840
<v Speaker 6>You know, Like I'm always so curious to how they

1:40:33.880 --> 1:40:37.719
<v Speaker 6>get there and how they maintain the emotion overtakes over scenes,

1:40:37.800 --> 1:40:42.519
<v Speaker 6>how they maintain emotional arcs and anyway I'm talking, Oh,

1:40:42.840 --> 1:40:44.920
<v Speaker 6>well I like that.

1:40:44.960 --> 1:40:47.400
<v Speaker 4>You're always looking for lessons. I'm into that.

1:40:47.640 --> 1:40:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, any it doesn't matter from who they came from,

1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:53.280
<v Speaker 2>any any that have like stuck with you for a

1:40:53.320 --> 1:40:53.720
<v Speaker 2>long time.

1:40:53.800 --> 1:40:55.160
<v Speaker 4>It seems like you carry a lot.

1:40:55.280 --> 1:40:57.920
<v Speaker 6>But well, I will tell you one lesson that was great.

1:40:57.960 --> 1:41:00.639
<v Speaker 6>It was a Robin lesson that was my first feature,

1:41:00.760 --> 1:41:03.960
<v Speaker 6>is called The Final Cut. And you know, I was

1:41:04.000 --> 1:41:07.360
<v Speaker 6>like twenty four years old and extremely green, and I

1:41:07.400 --> 1:41:09.560
<v Speaker 6>got I think I got pretty lucky. I mean I

1:41:09.880 --> 1:41:14.160
<v Speaker 6>really do. And so I got to set and well

1:41:14.200 --> 1:41:17.760
<v Speaker 6>two things. One, Robin knew everyone on the sets name

1:41:18.520 --> 1:41:22.120
<v Speaker 6>on the second day, Like I'm talking every grip, every pa,

1:41:22.360 --> 1:41:26.280
<v Speaker 6>every single person addressed them by name. Total respect. And

1:41:26.320 --> 1:41:28.519
<v Speaker 6>so for me from that moment, you know, as you

1:41:28.680 --> 1:41:32.160
<v Speaker 6>as you grow up a little bit on sets, you realize,

1:41:32.240 --> 1:41:35.839
<v Speaker 6>like you know, like people have this perception like actors

1:41:35.840 --> 1:41:39.160
<v Speaker 6>are like you know, like run run things. They absolutely

1:41:39.200 --> 1:41:42.200
<v Speaker 6>do not. The crew is the king and they deserve

1:41:42.240 --> 1:41:44.400
<v Speaker 6>to be because they work harder. They're there before you,

1:41:44.479 --> 1:41:47.639
<v Speaker 6>and they're there after you, and they continue working after

1:41:47.680 --> 1:41:49.879
<v Speaker 6>you leave you and you wrap out your characters.

1:41:49.880 --> 1:41:53.200
<v Speaker 5>So the respect he had for that for the crew

1:41:53.479 --> 1:41:57.800
<v Speaker 5>was something I really I really learned. The other thing was.

1:41:58.600 --> 1:42:01.800
<v Speaker 6>You know, Robin was such a genius that we will

1:42:02.080 --> 1:42:06.240
<v Speaker 6>our film was a drama, and so he would between

1:42:06.320 --> 1:42:09.479
<v Speaker 6>takes start doing Gollum. That's when Lord of the Rings

1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:11.840
<v Speaker 6>was like. So he would do Gollum from Lord of

1:42:11.840 --> 1:42:14.599
<v Speaker 6>the Rings as an actor and entertain the entire set.

1:42:14.720 --> 1:42:16.360
<v Speaker 6>And so there was certain points where I would just

1:42:16.479 --> 1:42:18.160
<v Speaker 6>kind of sit there and be entertained and be like,

1:42:18.200 --> 1:42:20.559
<v Speaker 6>I can't believe Robin Williams is like basically doing a

1:42:20.600 --> 1:42:22.360
<v Speaker 6>set for us on set right now.

1:42:22.439 --> 1:42:24.640
<v Speaker 5>And then the director would be like, okay, guys, let's go.

1:42:24.760 --> 1:42:26.639
<v Speaker 6>And then I'd be like, wait a minute, I'm not ready,

1:42:27.000 --> 1:42:30.120
<v Speaker 6>and he would just snap into character in two seconds and.

1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:32.479
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, what on earth is going on? How did

1:42:32.520 --> 1:42:32.920
<v Speaker 5>they do that?

1:42:33.560 --> 1:42:36.479
<v Speaker 6>And years over years I learned and I asked him

1:42:36.479 --> 1:42:39.280
<v Speaker 6>about this, is that he keeps the character at a

1:42:39.320 --> 1:42:42.519
<v Speaker 6>simmer of about seventy percent no matter what he's doing

1:42:42.560 --> 1:42:45.479
<v Speaker 6>on the outside, he still has the character kind of

1:42:45.560 --> 1:42:48.960
<v Speaker 6>like going. And so when he's done with whatever he's

1:42:48.960 --> 1:42:52.200
<v Speaker 6>doing between between setups, he can just fire it right

1:42:52.240 --> 1:42:55.840
<v Speaker 6>back up, and that's obviously skilled. That's obviously experience and

1:42:56.280 --> 1:42:59.439
<v Speaker 6>a kind of relaxed actor, you know, where you can

1:42:59.479 --> 1:43:02.519
<v Speaker 6>just kind of have availability to all that kind of stuff.

1:43:02.560 --> 1:43:04.400
<v Speaker 6>So those were two lessons I learned from him.

1:43:04.439 --> 1:43:07.439
<v Speaker 4>A light simmer. I want to see this movie.

1:43:07.760 --> 1:43:09.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think it's really good.

1:43:09.960 --> 1:43:13.040
<v Speaker 6>I really do. I just wish I had the shot

1:43:13.120 --> 1:43:15.640
<v Speaker 6>to do the same work. Now, you know, years and

1:43:15.720 --> 1:43:18.479
<v Speaker 6>years later, you've learned so much that you're like, I

1:43:18.479 --> 1:43:21.320
<v Speaker 6>couldn't have had a monologue with Robin Williams, like now,

1:43:21.720 --> 1:43:23.800
<v Speaker 6>like I wish, I wish you could do it now,

1:43:23.920 --> 1:43:27.080
<v Speaker 6>you know. But but anyway, you know, you learn your

1:43:27.120 --> 1:43:28.000
<v Speaker 6>lessons and you move on.

1:43:28.160 --> 1:43:31.720
<v Speaker 2>It's also just amazing that you got to work with

1:43:31.800 --> 1:43:32.519
<v Speaker 2>someone like that.

1:43:32.840 --> 1:43:37.679
<v Speaker 5>You know, a religion utter disbelief, utterelief.

1:43:37.040 --> 1:43:40.639
<v Speaker 4>It comes early on. That's so that is great.

1:43:41.040 --> 1:43:43.080
<v Speaker 6>My dad was like, you know, back in those days,

1:43:43.080 --> 1:43:44.640
<v Speaker 6>he's like, you know, I had gone to NYU, I

1:43:44.720 --> 1:43:46.519
<v Speaker 6>major in economics, and then I'm like I'm going to

1:43:46.560 --> 1:43:48.599
<v Speaker 6>become an actor, see you, you know, and they're like, wait,

1:43:48.680 --> 1:43:51.599
<v Speaker 6>what you know? So I got that role six months

1:43:51.640 --> 1:43:54.240
<v Speaker 6>after landing in LA with no agent and no manager

1:43:54.520 --> 1:43:57.600
<v Speaker 6>and it was through. So that was I mean, it

1:43:57.680 --> 1:43:59.519
<v Speaker 6>was crazy. I really didn't think I knew how to

1:43:59.520 --> 1:44:02.519
<v Speaker 6>act and so so then when the film came out,

1:44:02.680 --> 1:44:05.680
<v Speaker 6>I sent my parents to the theater and then my

1:44:05.760 --> 1:44:08.360
<v Speaker 6>dad calls me on the way back and he goes, Okay,

1:44:08.439 --> 1:44:09.240
<v Speaker 6>I get it, and.

1:44:09.200 --> 1:44:10.320
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, okay, great.

1:44:10.360 --> 1:44:12.720
<v Speaker 6>So I had to do a movie with like one

1:44:12.760 --> 1:44:15.160
<v Speaker 6>of the biggest stars and legends of all time for

1:44:15.200 --> 1:44:15.800
<v Speaker 6>you to get it.

1:44:15.880 --> 1:44:18.280
<v Speaker 4>Okay, good thing, good thing, you got it.

1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Your parents would still today be like what's happening and

1:44:20.360 --> 1:44:21.240
<v Speaker 1>go back into econ.

1:44:22.120 --> 1:44:24.519
<v Speaker 6>Yes, very much, so very much.

1:44:24.960 --> 1:44:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Are you still is economics still a passion of yours?

1:44:32.160 --> 1:44:37.759
<v Speaker 6>No, the economy, it's absolutely, But I mean these days

1:44:37.760 --> 1:44:39.040
<v Speaker 6>you kind of have to be a little bit of

1:44:39.080 --> 1:44:42.439
<v Speaker 6>an expert or else you lose your shirt. But no,

1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:44.840
<v Speaker 6>So what I do now, kind of on the side

1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:47.880
<v Speaker 6>for fun, which I'm really passionate about, is I ghost

1:44:47.920 --> 1:44:51.959
<v Speaker 6>write my mother's cookbooks. Oh yeah, she's got a restaurant

1:44:52.000 --> 1:44:53.599
<v Speaker 6>in Brooklyn, her and my sister.

1:44:53.680 --> 1:44:55.440
<v Speaker 4>That's like what restaurant.

1:44:55.720 --> 1:44:58.799
<v Speaker 6>It's called Tannerine's Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. So it's like Michelin

1:44:58.920 --> 1:45:01.719
<v Speaker 6>and James Beard. No, she just cooked with Daniel Boulay

1:45:01.800 --> 1:45:04.839
<v Speaker 6>the other night. Oh my god, for Jacques pa Pen's

1:45:04.880 --> 1:45:07.639
<v Speaker 6>ninetieth birthday. So we have three cookbooks that I kind

1:45:07.640 --> 1:45:09.639
<v Speaker 6>of go through. I didn't kind of. I go short

1:45:09.720 --> 1:45:12.320
<v Speaker 6>all three of them with her. And you never want

1:45:12.360 --> 1:45:15.680
<v Speaker 6>to know how much I know about pomegranates and chickpeas.

1:45:15.720 --> 1:45:18.519
<v Speaker 5>I mean the amount I had to do research.

1:45:18.120 --> 1:45:21.439
<v Speaker 4>Was nuts Tannerine Middle Eastern food. Wow.

1:45:22.640 --> 1:45:24.360
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, cool.

1:45:25.200 --> 1:45:27.880
<v Speaker 4>That's great. You're ghostwriting the that's great.

1:45:28.479 --> 1:45:30.760
<v Speaker 5>Amazing to stay in some kind of creativity.

1:45:30.920 --> 1:45:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, I'm on the reservation page right now.

1:45:35.120 --> 1:45:37.240
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm looking at a picture. I'm looking at a

1:45:37.240 --> 1:45:38.839
<v Speaker 1>picture of your mom and your sister.

1:45:39.160 --> 1:45:44.080
<v Speaker 2>There's so cute, those the pomegranate seed photos, so vibrant.

1:45:44.400 --> 1:45:46.799
<v Speaker 4>Wow, this is cool. Okay, okay.

1:45:47.120 --> 1:45:49.759
<v Speaker 1>For our listeners, if you live somewhere else in the country,

1:45:50.240 --> 1:45:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Tannerine ships on gold Belly, you can get this set

1:45:53.120 --> 1:45:54.719
<v Speaker 1>to yourselves wherever you live.

1:45:55.520 --> 1:45:57.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh god, I want these dips.

1:45:58.640 --> 1:45:59.720
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, they're good, they're good.

1:45:59.760 --> 1:46:01.800
<v Speaker 1>They're I like how you're both like looking up the

1:46:01.800 --> 1:46:04.000
<v Speaker 1>page and we're like fully in a commercial now for

1:46:04.040 --> 1:46:04.599
<v Speaker 1>the restaurant.

1:46:04.680 --> 1:46:11.719
<v Speaker 4>We're like forgot about the acting. I'm ordering, well, it's exciting,

1:46:12.040 --> 1:46:14.040
<v Speaker 4>you know. I'm glad to.

1:46:13.960 --> 1:46:18.479
<v Speaker 6>Show Romi at the restaurant and yeah, and then they

1:46:18.520 --> 1:46:21.679
<v Speaker 6>almost filmed FBI there or did they I think maybe

1:46:21.720 --> 1:46:23.519
<v Speaker 6>maybe not, but they've got they filmed a couple of

1:46:23.560 --> 1:46:26.160
<v Speaker 6>TV shows there, which I'm like, this is ironic. It's

1:46:26.160 --> 1:46:26.599
<v Speaker 6>just weird.

1:46:26.720 --> 1:46:28.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're like Rommy, you call me.

1:46:28.479 --> 1:46:30.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, such a good guy.

1:46:31.240 --> 1:46:31.559
<v Speaker 2>He is.

1:46:31.640 --> 1:46:33.519
<v Speaker 4>He is. We know him through stand up and stuff.

1:46:33.560 --> 1:46:36.639
<v Speaker 4>I love him. Yeah, but I did right here.

1:46:37.000 --> 1:46:38.960
<v Speaker 2>The Emoji movie, which you're in is one of my

1:46:38.960 --> 1:46:39.880
<v Speaker 2>go to sleep movies.

1:46:40.160 --> 1:46:41.240
<v Speaker 4>I do put that on something.

1:46:42.000 --> 1:46:45.559
<v Speaker 2>It's one of my uh it's one of the you've played.

1:46:45.560 --> 1:46:47.160
<v Speaker 4>You voiced two different emojis.

1:46:48.040 --> 1:46:48.559
<v Speaker 6>Yes, I did.

1:46:48.640 --> 1:46:50.640
<v Speaker 5>You guys did your homework for a while. I'm impressed.

1:46:52.120 --> 1:46:54.639
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And you know, the funnest part about the Emoji

1:46:54.680 --> 1:47:00.120
<v Speaker 6>movie was doing it really fun and then also the

1:47:00.200 --> 1:47:04.200
<v Speaker 6>amount of parents that would approach, what would find out

1:47:04.280 --> 1:47:05.880
<v Speaker 6>I don't know, Like people would tell people when the

1:47:05.880 --> 1:47:08.439
<v Speaker 6>movie came out or whatever, and they would request me

1:47:08.520 --> 1:47:13.519
<v Speaker 6>to like tape WhatsApp voice notes for their kids. And

1:47:13.600 --> 1:47:15.519
<v Speaker 6>so I would go on like a rotation of like

1:47:15.600 --> 1:47:18.080
<v Speaker 6>five six a day and just do the voices and

1:47:18.120 --> 1:47:21.400
<v Speaker 6>then just send it off to send it off to

1:47:21.439 --> 1:47:22.280
<v Speaker 6>people and their kids.

1:47:22.439 --> 1:47:25.760
<v Speaker 4>It's fun, like what's up, it's me fist bomp like

1:47:25.840 --> 1:47:27.280
<v Speaker 4>that kind of thing. That's so cute.

1:47:27.320 --> 1:47:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is there something you'd like to tell our audience about?

1:47:30.479 --> 1:47:31.760
<v Speaker 2>You have that movie coming out?

1:47:32.520 --> 1:47:33.960
<v Speaker 5>So I have a couple of things. So yeah, So

1:47:34.080 --> 1:47:34.880
<v Speaker 5>hello beautiful.

1:47:35.040 --> 1:47:37.920
<v Speaker 6>We just won the Golden Palm at the Beverly Hills

1:47:37.920 --> 1:47:40.439
<v Speaker 6>Film Festival. It just happened their twenty fifth anniversary run

1:47:40.479 --> 1:47:42.639
<v Speaker 6>like the best movie of the festival, which is great.

1:47:43.600 --> 1:47:46.479
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and they're gonna be figuring out the festival run

1:47:46.520 --> 1:47:47.480
<v Speaker 5>for that and distribution.

1:47:47.680 --> 1:47:50.040
<v Speaker 6>And then I have another film that's premiering in lu

1:47:50.120 --> 1:47:54.599
<v Speaker 6>this week that I did last year. That's executive produced

1:47:54.600 --> 1:47:57.200
<v Speaker 6>by Doug Lyman, who directed you know, Mister and Missus Smith.

1:47:57.200 --> 1:47:59.360
<v Speaker 6>He's a legend. So that's called if You See Something,

1:48:00.400 --> 1:48:02.080
<v Speaker 6>And that's been doing a festival when we were just

1:48:02.080 --> 1:48:04.960
<v Speaker 6>at Woodstock with that in San Diego, and so now

1:48:04.960 --> 1:48:06.720
<v Speaker 6>we're premiering in La I'm going to go to a

1:48:06.800 --> 1:48:09.280
<v Speaker 6>Q and A for that this week and a screening

1:48:10.880 --> 1:48:13.760
<v Speaker 6>and so those two things, and then the third thing

1:48:13.800 --> 1:48:17.040
<v Speaker 6>is that Tannerine cookbook is coming out April twenty second,

1:48:17.439 --> 1:48:19.559
<v Speaker 6>really proud of it. We're doing a bunch of events

1:48:19.840 --> 1:48:22.160
<v Speaker 6>with you know, Tannerine just opened and Dumbo as well.

1:48:22.560 --> 1:48:24.960
<v Speaker 6>They opened the location the Timeout Market, so we're doing

1:48:25.040 --> 1:48:27.439
<v Speaker 6>a big party there with speakers and the whole thing.

1:48:28.439 --> 1:48:30.519
<v Speaker 6>So there's other stuff, but those are like the things

1:48:30.520 --> 1:48:32.519
<v Speaker 6>on the on the top of the horizon that I'm

1:48:32.560 --> 1:48:32.960
<v Speaker 6>proud of.

1:48:33.120 --> 1:48:38.840
<v Speaker 4>So cool, awesome, Yeah, thanks, all right, Yeah, well.

1:48:38.720 --> 1:48:41.479
<v Speaker 1>Everybody will go get everyone down to those movies and

1:48:41.520 --> 1:48:44.080
<v Speaker 1>buying that cookbook and go to Tannerine and order it

1:48:44.120 --> 1:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>on gold Belly.

1:48:46.439 --> 1:48:49.439
<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Thank you so much for talking to us.

1:48:49.640 --> 1:48:51.639
<v Speaker 5>Thank you for having me, thank you for having much.

1:48:51.479 --> 1:48:54.080
<v Speaker 2>So having all like remembering all the stories and having

1:48:54.160 --> 1:48:54.799
<v Speaker 2>all the scoop.

1:48:54.960 --> 1:48:55.479
<v Speaker 4>So thank you.

1:48:55.840 --> 1:48:58.240
<v Speaker 6>This is a really wonderful time. You guys took me

1:48:58.400 --> 1:49:01.040
<v Speaker 6>back to back to down memory shows.

1:49:05.240 --> 1:49:07.760
<v Speaker 4>That was huge. That was huge for us.

1:49:08.200 --> 1:49:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I love he what a sweet guy and also like

1:49:12.520 --> 1:49:15.040
<v Speaker 1>a cool I love I liked hearing the trajectory of

1:49:15.040 --> 1:49:18.439
<v Speaker 1>the name change, Like I totally understand why he changed

1:49:18.439 --> 1:49:20.200
<v Speaker 1>his name, and I love that he changed it back

1:49:20.479 --> 1:49:24.560
<v Speaker 1>when he felt like he could. You know, this episode

1:49:25.160 --> 1:49:28.680
<v Speaker 1>is fucking nuts. I mean, I don't even know if

1:49:28.720 --> 1:49:32.360
<v Speaker 1>there's like a I don't know if there's like a

1:49:32.400 --> 1:49:36.519
<v Speaker 1>full It just it makes me sad that like we.

1:49:36.600 --> 1:49:36.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

1:49:36.960 --> 1:49:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess the show leaves it ambiguous about how much

1:49:39.240 --> 1:49:42.720
<v Speaker 1>this woman actually had to do with anything, But to me,

1:49:42.920 --> 1:49:46.439
<v Speaker 1>she was in a horribly abusive relationship and had no

1:49:46.520 --> 1:49:48.559
<v Speaker 1>say over anything in her life. And so it's just

1:49:48.640 --> 1:49:52.200
<v Speaker 1>like so sad to me when we don't like take

1:49:52.840 --> 1:49:56.720
<v Speaker 1>trauma or anybody's like experience into account and she's just

1:49:56.760 --> 1:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>like never gonna see her kid again, this woman who's

1:50:00.040 --> 1:50:00.639
<v Speaker 1>not real but.

1:50:00.640 --> 1:50:04.479
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean, jail for life, I mean, yeah.

1:50:04.760 --> 1:50:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean the woman in the real case

1:50:07.400 --> 1:50:09.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't get any jail time because I don't think she

1:50:09.280 --> 1:50:10.639
<v Speaker 1>really did have anything to do with it.

1:50:11.080 --> 1:50:13.400
<v Speaker 4>But she seemed like she was.

1:50:13.400 --> 1:50:15.840
<v Speaker 1>In an abusive relationship as well, you know, like she

1:50:16.120 --> 1:50:19.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't probably have like a great way out or maybe

1:50:19.280 --> 1:50:20.519
<v Speaker 1>she was trying to get a way out. She went

1:50:20.520 --> 1:50:24.879
<v Speaker 1>to go visit her family right before this happened. But yeah,

1:50:25.120 --> 1:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's tough. It's tough stuff the.

1:50:29.360 --> 1:50:32.679
<v Speaker 2>Women criminals, like it's easier for men not to think

1:50:32.680 --> 1:50:33.519
<v Speaker 2>about their children.

1:50:34.640 --> 1:50:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and I also from somebody who is from

1:50:40.280 --> 1:50:43.160
<v Speaker 1>a family where I feel my mother is very heavily

1:50:43.680 --> 1:50:47.799
<v Speaker 1>politically influenced by my father. I do think it's possible

1:50:47.800 --> 1:50:50.880
<v Speaker 1>sometimes that men just like wear their partners down and

1:50:50.920 --> 1:50:53.880
<v Speaker 1>are like getting like, let's do this together or but

1:50:53.920 --> 1:50:55.160
<v Speaker 1>it's also I'm a feminist.

1:50:55.200 --> 1:50:56.360
<v Speaker 4>Women can think for themselves.

1:50:56.360 --> 1:50:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe like the women, the woman in the San Bernardino

1:50:58.720 --> 1:51:00.680
<v Speaker 1>terrorist attack was like, this is what I believe, let's

1:51:00.680 --> 1:51:02.160
<v Speaker 1>go kill all these people. And maybe she was like

1:51:02.439 --> 1:51:05.400
<v Speaker 1>as intuit as him, you know, who knows. I definitely

1:51:05.560 --> 1:51:07.720
<v Speaker 1>lean towards the side of men as the mastermind and

1:51:07.760 --> 1:51:10.080
<v Speaker 1>these kind of things. And then that's, uh, that's my

1:51:10.160 --> 1:51:11.479
<v Speaker 1>mis injury showing, you know.

1:51:12.160 --> 1:51:14.160
<v Speaker 4>But I don't know.

1:51:14.520 --> 1:51:15.040
<v Speaker 2>I just.

1:51:16.720 --> 1:51:19.640
<v Speaker 1>I also, Benson, don't bring Noah to a call. It

1:51:19.680 --> 1:51:21.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter that it's at a playground. Let's get Lucy.

1:51:22.080 --> 1:51:23.960
<v Speaker 1>We've got Lucy on call twenty four to seven.

1:51:24.400 --> 1:51:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I know, but you wouldn't have thought, but it was

1:51:27.040 --> 1:51:32.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna be five year old, I know, so crazy, so crazy.

1:51:32.400 --> 1:51:35.120
<v Speaker 4>Oh I did, I did just have an audition. This

1:51:35.240 --> 1:51:37.440
<v Speaker 4>is for to be a bailiff.

1:51:38.320 --> 1:51:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh so I had, you know, I have a lot

1:51:40.080 --> 1:51:42.240
<v Speaker 1>of docket number seven.

1:51:43.040 --> 1:51:46.439
<v Speaker 2>Not for us you but a baylif for something. I'd

1:51:46.439 --> 1:51:52.400
<v Speaker 2>be like, put your phones in the bag. Yeah, you

1:51:52.520 --> 1:51:54.240
<v Speaker 2>got to get not speak to anyone.

1:51:54.479 --> 1:51:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Need that.

1:51:55.880 --> 1:51:58.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would love. I would.

1:51:58.160 --> 1:52:01.719
<v Speaker 2>I would love to bridge the gap between my comedy

1:52:01.760 --> 1:52:02.559
<v Speaker 2>and crime life.

1:52:03.000 --> 1:52:05.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean this podcast is that.

1:52:05.240 --> 1:52:07.519
<v Speaker 1>But and showing up to Luigi's trial, if you ever

1:52:07.560 --> 1:52:08.559
<v Speaker 1>get to, is also that.

1:52:08.960 --> 1:52:11.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like they're purposely doing it. When I'm

1:52:11.520 --> 1:52:14.080
<v Speaker 2>on the road, it's the lect I would.

1:52:13.840 --> 1:52:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Say that his criminal trial is not conducive to a

1:52:16.200 --> 1:52:16.959
<v Speaker 1>road comedian.

1:52:17.120 --> 1:52:21.840
<v Speaker 4>It's not. It's just not. No, they didn't think about that,

1:52:21.880 --> 1:52:22.640
<v Speaker 4>and it's fucked up.

1:52:24.840 --> 1:52:27.720
<v Speaker 2>But because even when it and then the Wednesday date

1:52:27.720 --> 1:52:30.840
<v Speaker 2>that I was finally excited to go, you know, they postponed.

1:52:31.000 --> 1:52:34.040
<v Speaker 2>But my letter is not being returned. So I wonder

1:52:34.120 --> 1:52:35.680
<v Speaker 2>if he got it or if it's just in a

1:52:35.720 --> 1:52:38.400
<v Speaker 2>pile something like. I just wonder. But his birthday's coming up.

1:52:38.400 --> 1:52:42.160
<v Speaker 2>I gotta send them something. Yeah, No, a sheet of

1:52:42.160 --> 1:52:43.200
<v Speaker 2>paper that says happy Bertha.

1:52:44.400 --> 1:52:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Because you can't draw, Yeah, no drawing. Can you do

1:52:47.720 --> 1:52:51.680
<v Speaker 1>different fonts? If you type, that's a great question. Can

1:52:51.760 --> 1:52:53.160
<v Speaker 1>you do can you do color inch or does it

1:52:53.160 --> 1:52:56.040
<v Speaker 1>have to be black ink no black or blue? Black black, okay,

1:52:56.240 --> 1:52:59.120
<v Speaker 1>black or blue, no colors. I mean, maybe he didn't

1:52:59.200 --> 1:53:01.240
<v Speaker 1>enjoy a little comic Sam's I don't know, something.

1:53:01.080 --> 1:53:04.599
<v Speaker 4>To lighten up his mood. I don't know, just wonder

1:53:04.680 --> 1:53:08.959
<v Speaker 4>I was doing in there. Yeah, it's also sad. It's crazy.

1:53:09.320 --> 1:53:11.080
<v Speaker 2>But I also, you know, the more we talk about

1:53:11.120 --> 1:53:14.360
<v Speaker 2>jail and you know, this case and the episode, I

1:53:14.400 --> 1:53:15.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's tough not to think about all the

1:53:15.960 --> 1:53:18.360
<v Speaker 2>people that are being held without due process right now

1:53:18.680 --> 1:53:23.439
<v Speaker 2>and all the Americans that are so easily okay with it.

1:53:23.600 --> 1:53:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Like that's that's what I think is. I knew what happened,

1:53:27.720 --> 1:53:29.599
<v Speaker 2>but that's been kind of the most shocking of people

1:53:29.640 --> 1:53:31.960
<v Speaker 2>being like, well, I mean, what is the first Amendment?

1:53:32.320 --> 1:53:32.519
<v Speaker 4>You know?

1:53:32.800 --> 1:53:33.120
<v Speaker 6>Right?

1:53:33.800 --> 1:53:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, he actually is a bad guy, So, like, you know,

1:53:37.200 --> 1:53:40.519
<v Speaker 2>it's so crazy how quickly people are okay giving up

1:53:40.560 --> 1:53:42.639
<v Speaker 2>their rights because they think it might not be them

1:53:42.760 --> 1:53:43.200
<v Speaker 2>or something.

1:53:43.280 --> 1:53:43.640
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

1:53:43.720 --> 1:53:46.320
<v Speaker 1>It's it's wild to see can't trust anyone. When I

1:53:46.400 --> 1:53:49.000
<v Speaker 1>was in Florida, my aunt Grace, who you've met. You've

1:53:49.040 --> 1:53:50.240
<v Speaker 1>met a lot of my aunts and uncles that live

1:53:50.280 --> 1:53:52.799
<v Speaker 1>in Florida. They she had a big dinner for everybody

1:53:52.840 --> 1:53:55.240
<v Speaker 1>so we could they could see us and whatever. And actually,

1:53:55.320 --> 1:53:58.120
<v Speaker 1>my aunt Julie came down, who I never see, and

1:53:58.240 --> 1:54:02.400
<v Speaker 1>she was a judge clerk, a clerk for a judge

1:54:02.400 --> 1:54:03.559
<v Speaker 1>for like her entire career.

1:54:03.680 --> 1:54:03.880
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

1:54:04.080 --> 1:54:08.720
<v Speaker 1>And all of my mom's siblings are pretty right left leaning, like,

1:54:08.760 --> 1:54:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and my mom is like a full right like not

1:54:12.120 --> 1:54:15.960
<v Speaker 1>like Maga, but they vote for Trump. And so we're

1:54:16.040 --> 1:54:19.960
<v Speaker 1>at dinner and my Aunt Julie is just railing, and

1:54:20.000 --> 1:54:22.160
<v Speaker 1>so is my Aunt Grace. They're just like I never

1:54:22.200 --> 1:54:25.160
<v Speaker 1>thought i'd see democracy threatened like this in my lifetime.

1:54:25.200 --> 1:54:28.080
<v Speaker 1>And I was just sitting back being like, get her jade, like,

1:54:28.200 --> 1:54:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I was like louder like. My mom was just watching

1:54:30.920 --> 1:54:32.840
<v Speaker 1>them talk, and I was like, keep it going, keep

1:54:32.840 --> 1:54:33.160
<v Speaker 1>it going.

1:54:33.160 --> 1:54:34.680
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's not going to change your mind or anything.

1:54:34.720 --> 1:54:36.600
<v Speaker 1>But I was just like, do you are you seeing

1:54:36.640 --> 1:54:39.240
<v Speaker 1>all your siblings sitting around saying the same shit and

1:54:39.280 --> 1:54:40.120
<v Speaker 1>your kids.

1:54:40.000 --> 1:54:42.600
<v Speaker 2>So you don't think anything would change her mind? You

1:54:42.600 --> 1:54:45.080
<v Speaker 2>think it's just like what your dad says, and that's

1:54:45.200 --> 1:54:46.120
<v Speaker 2>the brain dad.

1:54:46.400 --> 1:54:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the Fox. I think it's the Fox News.

1:54:48.360 --> 1:54:49.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like that's where she's getting the news. And so

1:54:49.920 --> 1:54:52.640
<v Speaker 1>she considers herself an informed person because she's getting it

1:54:52.640 --> 1:54:55.680
<v Speaker 1>all from this one source and it's the wrong information.

1:54:56.160 --> 1:54:58.600
<v Speaker 1>And she sat on the couch at my uncle's house

1:54:58.600 --> 1:55:03.200
<v Speaker 1>once and goes another plane crash and I go, yeah,

1:55:03.240 --> 1:55:05.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe if he hadn't fired everybody at the FAA, these

1:55:05.600 --> 1:55:07.640
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be happening. She was like, well, I don't really

1:55:07.680 --> 1:55:08.920
<v Speaker 1>think he did that, and I was like, I'm not

1:55:09.000 --> 1:55:10.440
<v Speaker 1>And then I don't get into it, like I'm not

1:55:10.480 --> 1:55:12.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna start, you know, like I have four days to

1:55:12.320 --> 1:55:12.800
<v Speaker 1>hang out with you.

1:55:12.840 --> 1:55:15.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna do that. But like it's just.

1:55:17.040 --> 1:55:18.880
<v Speaker 1>You've you have we already talked about this. Have you've

1:55:18.880 --> 1:55:20.600
<v Speaker 1>seen that podcast that that guy does. He has like

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<v Speaker 1>another very popular podcast about the Bachelor, I guess, But

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<v Speaker 1>he has this new podcast he does with his sister

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<v Speaker 1>where they talk to their parents and the new dad

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<v Speaker 1>is about it.

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<v Speaker 4>He talks about it. The dad is just an unrepentant asshole.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they ask him normal questions like have you ever you ever,

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever been wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>Have you ever apologized or anything?

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<v Speaker 1>The guy's like nope, Like he's just a full dick,

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<v Speaker 1>the dad. And it's getting to the point where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is going to get anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's not. You know, your dad is a wall

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<v Speaker 1>like of asshole, Like there's nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because I watched Doctor Mike and he'll talk to

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<v Speaker 2>people about vaccines or whatever, and he'll be like, is

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<v Speaker 2>there anything I can say that would change your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>And there is, So it's like, what's the point, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, right, what is the point.

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<v Speaker 4>These people do have.

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<v Speaker 2>To lose their farms and their lives and their health,

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<v Speaker 2>their social security, and god knows what else until they

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<v Speaker 2>like realize what's that? Like? Truly, their lives need to

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<v Speaker 2>be so ruined and every brown and black person needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be gone to be blamed, you know, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what it's going to take for these people

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<v Speaker 2>because these people's kids and family died of COVID and

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<v Speaker 2>they still won't change their minds, like COVID is still

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<v Speaker 2>not real.

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<v Speaker 1>Right Like Meazel's family, the Measles families are saying, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care that my kid died. I would never vaccinate

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<v Speaker 1>another child, like if I had one, I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>preventable diseases like I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why waiting for them also to change their mind

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<v Speaker 2>is futile, Like it's yeah, but with your mind it

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<v Speaker 2>is like, so you think everyone in your family is wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everyone around you? It's crazy. I mean not everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>just friends that like are the same. But it's just

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<v Speaker 1>I also think she just kind of goes blinders about it,

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<v Speaker 1>like when anyone, like.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't feel bad that these like family like men

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<v Speaker 2>with families are just an El Salvador to die.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't talked about that with her, but like if

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<v Speaker 1>the world, if the news is telling you that these

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<v Speaker 1>are gang members responsible for hundreds of people's deaths, which

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<v Speaker 1>is not true, but if that's what the news is

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<v Speaker 1>telling you, then you're like, I'm I don't care that

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<v Speaker 1>this man got ripped away from his child. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Like she's not like evil, you know, but she's getting

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<v Speaker 1>the information that tells her that this stuff is okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know, I like, yeah, she just puts

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<v Speaker 1>up blinders. Like every time I have an argument with her,

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<v Speaker 1>she's just like, I'm tired. Can we not talk about this?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, It's like she doesn't really want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into it.

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<v Speaker 2>So but because my theory is like if you're a trumper,

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<v Speaker 2>you're either evil or dumb.

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<v Speaker 4>But your mom doesn't fall in I know, but she's

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<v Speaker 4>not like a trumper.

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<v Speaker 1>They just vote Republican no matter what, like, which is

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like they wouldn't say I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that, they would say, oh, like he's the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest president we've ever had. They're not like in the

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<v Speaker 1>Maga cult, you know, They're not like he can do

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<v Speaker 1>no wrong. But they do vote for him because I

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<v Speaker 1>think they think the alternative is horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, but it's like, what I guess is confusing,

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<v Speaker 2>is so do you not have any values then, because

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<v Speaker 2>if you're voting Republican, there are let's say, back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, there are these ideals that you believe in,

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<v Speaker 2>which I guess I thought was the Constitution, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>now that it's the name that I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>bring up to them, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care. That's why I can't snatch people off

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<v Speaker 4>the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't deport people without due process, like like I

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<v Speaker 1>like all these Republicans that are like, I'm a constitutionalist.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like I don't understand, like, but I just I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>When the markers are constantly changing, like if the Democrat

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<v Speaker 2>Party got some I also don't need to be like

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with my politicians, right, like I'm okay, disagree, Like I.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't know, I you know, they're not my all be all.

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<v Speaker 2>But if if someone was doing something I was an

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh I don't really like that. But it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like they just can't admit that anything is a

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<v Speaker 2>miss and that is what is Like what are you taught?

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<v Speaker 4>Like what do you stand for?

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<v Speaker 6>Then?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Just not progress, like if you're just voting Republican

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what, even when this person is anti everything

1:59:20.800 --> 1:59:23.040
<v Speaker 2>you believe in. You well, you don't like abortion, he

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<v Speaker 2>gets tons of them. You don't your you like, you

1:59:25.280 --> 1:59:27.320
<v Speaker 2>don't you don't like divorce, he has a ton of them.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you want America to keep its secret? He's

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<v Speaker 2>he has files in the bathroom, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like these people like Reagan, they like they like

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<v Speaker 1>the old ways like they do they they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>anything to progress, to be honest, they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, but get a get to her. What's

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<v Speaker 2>what's let's get to next. Let's get to what would

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<v Speaker 2>sister peg do.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's I mean, listen, I you guys know for what

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<v Speaker 1>Sister Peg do. This is our weekly segment where we

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<v Speaker 1>try to give you guys more info about what we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about in today's episode. We you know, an article,

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<v Speaker 1>a documentary, something, an organization, a charity. But I was

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<v Speaker 1>really trying to find something that kind of was like

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<v Speaker 1>a definitive study on like women that are like in

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<v Speaker 1>relationships with terrorists, you know, and like the stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>something like about the psychology of all that. But anything

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<v Speaker 1>I found were like very very heavy, like academic papers

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<v Speaker 1>which I didn't really think anybody was going to go

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<v Speaker 1>look at read And actually a couple times I clicked

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<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't even get to the paper. So if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone has a resource on something like that, let me know,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'd be very interested to see, you know, read

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<v Speaker 1>something like a study on like how how you can

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<v Speaker 1>extract women from those kind of relationships, like if there's

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<v Speaker 1>organizations that help do that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I couldn't find anything.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I decided to highlight was the twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>documentary forty nine Pulses, which explores the tragic to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen mass shooting at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, and

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<v Speaker 1>it features interviews with survivors, and I just I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to highlight that because you know, as a hue, as

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<v Speaker 1>a what I like to consider myself an alley of

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<v Speaker 1>the gay community, that one like really hit hard. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's currently streaming on Prime. I think you can also

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<v Speaker 1>buy it on Apple or whatever. But that will be

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<v Speaker 1>linked to in our stories the day that this episode

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<v Speaker 1>comes out and saved forever in our WWSPD highlights on

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<v Speaker 1>our Instagram page, which is that s messed up pod.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just thinking about the shootings and how they'll never stop.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you see that one of the girls that

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<v Speaker 2>was like in Parkland was also at FSU.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but I've heard other stories of kids that are

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<v Speaker 1>at two now, like people that are like their elementary

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<v Speaker 1>school had one and then they go to Virginia Tech

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<v Speaker 1>and they have like you know, it's like crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And next week it's just like our brains aren't meant

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<v Speaker 2>to do this from like the collapse of our government

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<v Speaker 2>and life as we know it. And then just well,

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<v Speaker 2>next week's episode, we will be doing closet from season nine,

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<v Speaker 2>episode sixteam, So come on down more nonsense.

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<v Speaker 4>No, We're obsessed with all of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening at least we have another at least

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<v Speaker 1>we have each other the listeners and SVU during these Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's what's like amazing, Like I just love

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<v Speaker 1>being on the road now more than ever because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like so much my audience that it just feels like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's just on the same page.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the moment you get back to a different crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh, yeah, you guys, we're not like fatally

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<v Speaker 2>linked in a true way, but all right, bye, guys,

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