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Speaker 1: That's true, it's hilarious. Just popped out of my mouth.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say that. That's all actually the norm,
Speaker 1: I know, but interesting, we have very serious. We have
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting interviews coming up as well. So
Speaker 1: you know, if you were thinking of quitting the pod,
Speaker 1: don't do it.
Speaker 4: This isn't the.
Speaker 2: Time and I do have to do am. I hope
Speaker 2: you're listening. I was at the Moontower Festival the last
Speaker 2: night of the fest. I mean, that's a mistake for
Speaker 2: any audience member. We've been drinking free booze for four days.
Speaker 2: We're tired, we're done. And I did meet a listener
Speaker 2: in the bathroom and she's like, I came here to
Speaker 2: see you, and I was like, honey, you picked the
Speaker 2: wrong show.
Speaker 4: And it was a bar show.
Speaker 2: They kept all the TVs on, like WrestleMania was on
Speaker 2: championship games. They would refuse to turn them off. This
Speaker 2: is for the festival. I went up first. I did
Speaker 2: maybe seven minutes. I don't think there was a joke
Speaker 2: in there. And so if you are listening, I'm sorry
Speaker 2: you went to such an but the show was actually
Speaker 2: called unhinged.
Speaker 4: It it was called unhinged. Well you got what you
Speaker 4: paid for, literally, so they got an uninched show.
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to say thank you for coming
Speaker 2: and I apologize for my unprofessionalism.
Speaker 4: That's really fun.
Speaker 2: I saw in like more, you know, more more hinged. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know, I ran into some cuties.
Speaker 1: I saw a listener at the Hermiceo, lovely guy who
Speaker 1: spotted me with my fucking kids at the Hermiceo.
Speaker 2: And which is a barm ceo is not a bar,
Speaker 2: it's a babysitting sir.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a full it's a full romper room.
Speaker 1: If you go before, if you go in the daylight hours.
Speaker 2: I'm in the staff, Like I am interested in the
Speaker 2: staff because they're obviously making money that they wouldn't make,
Speaker 2: you know, because when I used to go, I would
Speaker 2: type there and it was empty. I would go to
Speaker 2: the Hermiceo and tippity tap to nobody.
Speaker 4: Well, now, yeah, what is it.
Speaker 1: Some of the bartenders from the Hermiceo have spun off
Speaker 1: and opened their own place called Sam's Place that's over
Speaker 1: on a little bit closer to Figaroa and it's very
Speaker 1: hip and there. I went there with my friend and
Speaker 1: this bartender who used to be like, you gotta keep
Speaker 1: your kids out of the bar to me one time,
Speaker 1: and I was like, do you think I want them
Speaker 1: in the bar. I'm chasing them. I am literally running
Speaker 1: after them. They are terrorists, Like I don't know apropo
Speaker 1: of today's episode. I was like, I'm like, I absolutely
Speaker 1: don't want my kids in your dark bar. I'm grabbing
Speaker 1: them by the shirt collar and dragging them out, like
Speaker 1: And I saw him, and he's one of the guys
Speaker 1: that runs this new place. He looked happy as a clam.
Speaker 1: He looked so happy to be out of the robber room.
Speaker 1: And I'm happy for him. I think that should be.
Speaker 1: I think you should have to work at the first
Speaker 1: bar as your JV. That's your warm up, and then
Speaker 1: you get to move up to the hip cool bar
Speaker 1: where it's like hot babes and like natural wine.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's what I think the trajectory has to be. He
Speaker 1: looked so happy. He gave me a huge smile. He
Speaker 1: was so nice to me and my friend. I was like,
Speaker 1: you love me without a kid, and that makes complete
Speaker 1: sense to me. And yeah, but I had just gotten
Speaker 1: back from Florida with my kids for five days.
Speaker 4: Lovely little trip we took together.
Speaker 1: But I was with them for you know, five full
Speaker 1: days by myself, and I had to wake them to jarsyou.
Speaker 1: He didn't my sister I didn't master met me down there,
Speaker 1: so we Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was cute.
Speaker 1: And and then my parents, my mom ended up being
Speaker 1: down there and my dad joined like on the last day.
Speaker 4: So like, I had a lot of family done there,
Speaker 4: so it was fun.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't end up finding a place to
Speaker 1: watch drag Race, but it was fine.
Speaker 4: I watched it when I got home. It's just listen.
Speaker 2: I loved the performances, the outfits, the looks like I
Speaker 2: had such a good time. It just was a little
Speaker 2: obvious who was going to win. Yeah, and I missed
Speaker 2: the reunions. I miss a little tip for tat let's
Speaker 2: hit a chat, Like I'm annoyed, Like maybe I.
Speaker 1: Think they should like add that more into the They're
Speaker 1: trying to make it part of the Lolla Perusa, but
Speaker 1: it's like not enough. They're trying to make people have
Speaker 1: side combos.
Speaker 4: And like you know, reconcile and stuff.
Speaker 1: But I think I just saw Jules fucking knocked it
Speaker 1: out of the park in the reunion knocked it out,
Speaker 1: I mean for the finale, knocked.
Speaker 2: It out of the park, like killing. She looked great.
Speaker 2: I loved her first performance. But that's the thing with
Speaker 2: the reveals, you could tell she was focused on the
Speaker 2: reveals and un zipping, and you know, it was great.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to do any of that, but
Speaker 2: it was. It was just like stop on zipping, stop looking,
Speaker 2: stop thinking about what you're going to take off nex
Speaker 2: But the.
Speaker 4: Song from what we saw happened to Lydia this season.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: But then also with Anya, I'm like, can you have
Speaker 2: one review? I'm like, you can't take.
Speaker 4: Off the Colone a little something, But no, I thought Jules.
Speaker 2: Knocks out of the park and she's about to have
Speaker 2: an incredible They're both about to have an incredible career.
Speaker 4: I mean everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but Lexie also like in her first performance
Speaker 2: in her head and you can tell though she was thinking,
Speaker 2: she was thinking she wasn't free, and there's like, you know.
Speaker 4: But I did like her number I love. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just Jewels was magnificent in that first performance. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like so smooth, so silly, so everything.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I like, again, who do would you buy tickets for? Like,
Speaker 1: if Jewels was coming near me, I would buy tickets.
Speaker 1: I would go see her, yeah, you know, but I
Speaker 1: would go see Anya too. You know, I would absolutely
Speaker 1: go see Anya. There's a lot of you know, everybody's
Speaker 1: talking shit online.
Speaker 4: Wait what are they saying? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, everybody's like, oh, Anya was boring in the finale.
Speaker 1: But it's like she won the season and Jewels won
Speaker 1: the finale. It's like you have to decide, like what
Speaker 1: who wins the show?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And like my friend pointed out, like Sasha Valure's reveal
Speaker 1: or whatever that happened, that was so like just out
Speaker 1: of the park, out of nowhere, like crazy that it
Speaker 1: was like undeniable. And I feel like they you know
Speaker 1: that was it wasn't like undeniable. We have to give
Speaker 1: it to jewels, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: No, a.
Speaker 4: Bit of bagel? Do you never me? You never learn?
Speaker 2: I know, why don't I wake up just a little earlier.
Speaker 2: It's so warm, it's so beautiful in here.
Speaker 1: Oh that looks like a gorgeous Podega bagel.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 2: And I got recognized at my coffee shops today, so
Speaker 2: then all the staff knows who they're messing with, Jake,
Speaker 2: and they never messed with me.
Speaker 4: They're all so nice.
Speaker 2: But a woman ran to me, going I love you
Speaker 2: and hugged me, and I'm like, I'm getting a Coopri
Speaker 2: coffee tomorrow.
Speaker 4: I sense it. Wait drag race.
Speaker 2: Oh, when Rue announced that they're all gonna get a tip,
Speaker 2: Lexi revealed did her reveal? She did her Cabra reveal.
Speaker 2: I really liked that as well. That was really funny.
Speaker 2: It's just such a death because it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: this say is over, then pit stuff's over, then fashion
Speaker 2: photo reviews over, and I'm like, wait, it's like all
Speaker 2: three and one. I know. Raven and Raja said they
Speaker 2: already filmed the whole neck for all, so we're gonna
Speaker 2: see them soon.
Speaker 4: I think all start.
Speaker 5: That's weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's I think I might be long
Speaker 1: because it's like a it's like a fucking March Madness
Speaker 1: style bracket thing.
Speaker 4: But it was fun.
Speaker 2: It was a great season with nice light drama, nothing
Speaker 2: too hard. I mean, I've cried. I love the parents episode.
Speaker 2: You know, I thought it was a great season, but
Speaker 2: I for sure Anya was gonna win.
Speaker 4: I wasn't born.
Speaker 2: But by the end it was the same choreo over
Speaker 2: and over.
Speaker 4: But the song is long.
Speaker 2: Like I get what people are saying, if that's what
Speaker 2: they're saying, yeah, but I also get what some people
Speaker 2: are saying, which I feel too.
Speaker 1: Is like I miss when it was like at the
Speaker 1: Ace Hotel theater. Like I missed when it was like
Speaker 1: in a big theater and it felt like a special event.
Speaker 1: This is just kind of like a finale and they
Speaker 1: bring in an audience and then they keep cutting to
Speaker 1: the same like four attractive people in the audience the
Speaker 1: entire time, Like that's it, you know, Like I want to.
Speaker 4: I like it. But at the same time, I have
Speaker 4: friends who have.
Speaker 1: Gone to those finale tapings and say that they're torturous,
Speaker 1: like they're ten hours, and like maybe it's faster to
Speaker 1: have it just do it as in the studio where
Speaker 1: like they have everything in place.
Speaker 2: Who fucking then I think it was Monet who said
Speaker 2: this that was funny on uh pitstop that Sam Starr's
Speaker 2: family was like a black family at graduate at a
Speaker 2: high school graduation. But they were like losing their minds.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, thing they looked angry watching her perform. They
Speaker 2: were like fuck yes, like this is so mad. How
Speaker 2: good she was doing? So that was really cute.
Speaker 1: So my kids are getting way better on the airplane
Speaker 1: and watching their own shit. It's a lot easier. And
Speaker 1: I got to watch two movies on the airplane, granted
Speaker 1: with a lot of pausing.
Speaker 4: But I saw this movie Blink twice. Have you seen that?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: But I know it's Zoe Kravitz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Channing Tatum famously who follows me.
Speaker 4: So yeah, oh famously.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: I forgot, but I didn't. I didn't see it, so
Speaker 2: tell me more. It's super it's good.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really good, and I'm actually surprised
Speaker 1: it didn't get more. Like I went online and was
Speaker 1: like it was well reviewed, Like I think it has
Speaker 1: like an eighty percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 4: You know, like it's like it's very beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's very like like they're on an island for most
Speaker 1: of the movie.
Speaker 4: You know, like it's fucked up. Like I bring it
Speaker 4: up because it's fucked up.
Speaker 1: And it has like themes that I feel like we
Speaker 1: see in SVU all the time, you know, themes about
Speaker 1: you know, men, treatment of women, and like I don't
Speaker 1: want to give away too much, but like it's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of good twists too, Like it's really good.
Speaker 4: I think you would like it. I think you should
Speaker 4: watch it.
Speaker 1: Then I watched this other movie that I never fucking
Speaker 1: heard of called Skincare with Elizabeth Banks.
Speaker 4: I have seen it, so seen it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're both flying Delta bit I'm true, that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's like I never even heard of it, and
Speaker 2: I'm a big I love Elizabeth now because I saw
Speaker 2: a billboard of it and I went, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I have to see it. And then someone next to
Speaker 2: me was like, Wow, you're really taken by Billboard because
Speaker 2: I guess I can, and so I go, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I am, and the cover is good. It's a Weirdoh
Speaker 2: it's weird. It's a weird movie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like I read a review that was basically like
Speaker 1: the script needed work, but Elizabeth Banks is so compelling,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what I felt about it. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if the movie's good, but
Speaker 1: I like watching her, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I liked those twists and turns too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was crazy that movie.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I just I never I never taken any
Speaker 1: new media, so I was like, I came prepared to
Speaker 1: talk about these two new movies that I saw, but oh, also,
Speaker 1: really quick, I just want to do a shout out
Speaker 1: to a listener that wrote us a message that she's
Speaker 1: running the London Marathon and she's going to be listening
Speaker 1: to us while she runs the London Marathon. I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is coming out, and we've already missed
Speaker 1: the marathon, but I'm just here to tell you, run, bitch,
Speaker 1: get your ass and gear, get to that finish line.
Speaker 1: You got it. Good work.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: I have something that So I met someone in Austin
Speaker 2: her name is Madison Madison McGee, and she has a
Speaker 2: podcast called Ice Cold Case.
Speaker 4: Have you heard about this? No? She helps she's trying
Speaker 4: to solve her dad's murder.
Speaker 2: What. Yeah, And she's like talks to suspects. It's in
Speaker 2: seasons and she's you know, with cops, it's all of it.
Speaker 2: But it's Ice Cold Case and she's trying to solve
Speaker 2: her dad's murder. Wow. Telling me that she met like
Speaker 2: a suspect and they ended up hugging. But it might
Speaker 2: be him, and so I definitely want to listen to it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm excited. That's cool.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: And the website looks very professed. I mean the success
Speaker 1: La Jerry.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 6: Damn.
Speaker 4: I hope she figures it out. I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, I watched I had to get her a shout out.
Speaker 1: I watched the whole Karen Reid documentary on HBO Max.
Speaker 1: I have to go over the break, like over the break.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was, like, you know, watching with my
Speaker 1: sister who had already seen it, but watched it again
Speaker 1: with me because she's so obsessed with the Karen Reid case.
Speaker 1: It is a wild fucking case. You don't know anything
Speaker 1: about it really.
Speaker 2: I know, I know some about it, I just didn't
Speaker 2: I haven't watched it yet, so but people everyone brings
Speaker 2: it up to me.
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, you're gonna die when you see it.
Speaker 1: Like why do you keep going did she do it
Speaker 1: or not? I don't think she did it, first of all.
Speaker 1: I don't think she did it second of all. Just
Speaker 1: to like a synopsis for those of you that maybe
Speaker 1: have no idea what we're talking about. This is a
Speaker 1: crime that happened a few years ago in Boston area, Canton,
Speaker 1: mass And basically this girl and her boyfriend, who is
Speaker 1: a Boston cop. He goes into a house, he doesn't
Speaker 1: come out of the house, and she goes, fuck you,
Speaker 1: and she leaves all of the people. Then he's found
Speaker 1: the next morning dead in the snow or dying in
Speaker 1: the snow. And he dies soon after on the front
Speaker 1: of the house. And everybody thinks she backed her car,
Speaker 1: hit him with her car and left him there to die.
Speaker 4: They were all wasted.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the house is a cop or a or
Speaker 1: a fucking atf agent or like there's like federal agents.
Speaker 4: Like everybody there is like cops. They own the town.
Speaker 1: They're like corrupt and there's so much fucking sketchy information.
Speaker 1: My thing is, worst case, even if she did hit
Speaker 1: him with her car, I think it was manslaughter. Like
Speaker 1: I don't think that you could say that she saw
Speaker 1: him backed into him on purpose left in there, like
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem like the like what happened. So I think,
Speaker 1: if anything, it's manslaughter. But I don't think she hit
Speaker 1: him with the car. There's no there's not enough evidence,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of evidence that is really fucking shady.
Speaker 4: So why does the retrial just start? Why was there
Speaker 4: a mistrial?
Speaker 1: There was a mistrive because the jury literally could not
Speaker 1: come to it to conclusion that half of them thought
Speaker 1: that she did it and half of them thought or
Speaker 1: I don't know what the exact like breakdown was of percentages,
Speaker 1: but like they could not, Like the judge gave them
Speaker 1: days and days and they kept coming back saying.
Speaker 4: We are deadlocked.
Speaker 1: So now there's going to be another trial that just started,
Speaker 1: and it's turned into a full spectacle in this area.
Speaker 1: Like when you go to the courthouse, it's half people
Speaker 1: in pink holding signs that say free Karen read and
Speaker 1: half people in blue that say justice for John, and
Speaker 1: like it's.
Speaker 4: Justice for John. Doesn't mean Karen did it. That's one
Speaker 4: of the friends, you know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean exactly, And I think it's it's also I actually
Speaker 1: had to call my sister out a little bit on
Speaker 1: some ingrained misogyny. I was like, she was like, well,
Speaker 1: the woman does act really cocky and stuff, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're expecting people to act normal in not normal situations,
Speaker 1: like she's fighting for her life. It's like we somebody
Speaker 1: said that on this podcast, right, or who said that
Speaker 1: is on an ice cold fact.
Speaker 2: No, it was the prosecutor and the girl in the box,
Speaker 2: Caroline Stam's case, right, that's.
Speaker 1: Right, So like exactly, like I'm like, this is the
Speaker 1: same as like this girl I went to college with.
Speaker 1: Remember I famously was on Dateline. She went on all
Speaker 1: these talk shows and she was stoic, and everybody was like,
Speaker 1: she fucking did it. People expect, especially women, to act
Speaker 1: a very specific way, and Karen Reid is more than
Speaker 1: you're hysterical. Yeah, And they are like, she didn't even
Speaker 1: react in court this and that. It's like she's looking
Speaker 1: down the barrel of spending her life in jail. She's
Speaker 1: probably terrified, Like the way she's handling it. You might
Speaker 1: not like it, but that doesn't mean anything, you know.
Speaker 1: And my sister was actually like, oh, I didn't even
Speaker 1: think about that. You're right, that is like a lot
Speaker 1: of misogyny, like because I was like, everybody's just I
Speaker 1: think people are judging her innocence and guilt. They didn't
Speaker 1: have a bad relationship, she didn't have a motive to
Speaker 1: murder this guy.
Speaker 4: They literally and.
Speaker 2: We know not to trust the police. Wasted cops. Yeah,
Speaker 2: more investigating into them.
Speaker 1: The craziest part there are all these phone calls between
Speaker 1: the cops, their wives, all these people from the party.
Speaker 1: They all get on the stand and claim that they're
Speaker 1: butt dialing each other. They're all claiming that their butt
Speaker 1: dials saying that on the stand, like there's there's text
Speaker 1: messages from the trooper who is leading the case going
Speaker 1: with his friend going is she hot and him going yeah,
Speaker 1: she's hot, weird fall river accent though, no ass like
Speaker 1: rating her body. The woman who's the suspect in the
Speaker 1: case that you're the lead trooper on. They call him
Speaker 1: out on the stand, They make him they make him
Speaker 1: like read the text or they read the text to him.
Speaker 4: It's fucking wild. There's so many good.
Speaker 1: Twists, Like it's five episodes, I think, and it's uh.
Speaker 2: Well, because I also just got Michelle McNamara's book finally,
Speaker 2: so yeah, you know, and that's gonna that's gonna take
Speaker 2: at least a.
Speaker 4: Year for me.
Speaker 1: I mean I read that when it came out, and
Speaker 1: it took me a while. I mean, like, but that's
Speaker 1: got and that's got Paul holes all over it. Our
Speaker 1: line now Paul holes.
Speaker 2: But I speaking of cases, I got definitely have to
Speaker 2: watch that.
Speaker 4: We're recording this.
Speaker 2: Luigi has trial in two days, one pm on Friday.
Speaker 4: I will be gone again.
Speaker 2: Oh but last week Pennsylvania, you know, the defense attorney
Speaker 2: did all these motions for the evidence to be thrown out.
Speaker 2: They missed their deadline. The prosecution truly missed their deadline
Speaker 2: to respond. But of course they're gonna get ext Like,
Speaker 2: no one is gonna follow through that. But I've met
Speaker 2: a lawyer in Austin when I was there for Moontower,
Speaker 2: and we talked a lot about the case, and I
Speaker 2: was just saying, and she goes, they're breaking all these
Speaker 2: Brady violations by not handing over evidence and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: But she said, that's why the terrorism charge is there,
Speaker 2: because if the terrorism charge goes, you don't have to
Speaker 2: follow anyone's human rights or civil right, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, Oh, that's why they're doing it. They
Speaker 2: know it's not terrorism. But if if you make it
Speaker 2: a terrorism case, you get to break all these rules
Speaker 2: that you can't if it's just like a regular try.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's something that I learned from her, because I
Speaker 2: had all these questions because you know, the court documents.
Speaker 4: Are I figured.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, it's on top of that, it's
Speaker 1: also just like a fucking make him a poster child
Speaker 1: for like you know, you know they're trying to make
Speaker 1: they're trying to make vandalizing a tesla a terrorist act,
Speaker 1: so you know they're they're thrown around terrorism real loose
Speaker 1: these days, which is very apropo of today's episode.
Speaker 2: But I guess person on a governor's house isn't terror?
Speaker 1: Not terrors?
Speaker 4: Weird trying to kidnap the governor of Michigan, Like, is
Speaker 4: that terrorism?
Speaker 2: So strange that that's not, and so strange that our
Speaker 2: government's you know, our president's so into anti Semitism, but
Speaker 2: not when it's the first night of passover and the
Speaker 2: governor is fleeing his home. But you know, my god,
Speaker 2: picker choose, picker, choose. We did really good for a while,
Speaker 2: the interest, Yeah, the American except you started the Valley.
Speaker 4: No, I haven't, I haven't, is it is it? I missed.
Speaker 1: I missed almost all my Bravo last week while I
Speaker 1: was gone, except I watched the last reunion.
Speaker 4: I feel sad the way garcel went out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm good she left, but I just think
Speaker 1: it's like she was a great, a great housewife, and
Speaker 1: it just sucks. She goes out on this note and
Speaker 1: Sutton and none of them will ever get her. They
Speaker 1: will never look in word.
Speaker 4: Didn't even stand up for her.
Speaker 2: No Ston, And then going back to the green room,
Speaker 2: going we were supposed to do supper. Why didn't garcels
Speaker 2: sit and wait for me while I'm taking photos and
Speaker 2: talking shit about her with all these people that don't
Speaker 2: like her.
Speaker 1: I don't know, It's it's ridiculous. I hate the word supper. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, she sucks.
Speaker 2: They all suck, and they a oh I've had it
Speaker 2: much worse. Yeah, and you all run off crying all
Speaker 2: the time, and you're always late, So the fact that
Speaker 2: you're saying anything about her being unprofessional is crazy.
Speaker 4: She's worked more than all of you combined.
Speaker 1: Kyle looked like a fucking high school me trying to
Speaker 1: hide the fact that I had a party while my
Speaker 1: parents were out of town, like that entire reunion, like.
Speaker 4: I'm not okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she just looked like a fucking like unable to
Speaker 1: do a convincing lie one time, like she could not
Speaker 1: lie she could, she was trapped by every question like
Speaker 1: it was wild to watch.
Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah, I just thank god Garcia chose herself
Speaker 2: and said, I don't need this.
Speaker 4: I don't need this.
Speaker 2: I don't need to be around people who do not
Speaker 2: like me, do not want to understand me, are so
Speaker 2: cold to me. Nothing, everything's brushed aside, even with Andy,
Speaker 2: and it is like none of them want to see it.
Speaker 2: It's all just like, well I've had to answer, and
Speaker 2: it's like okay, m hmm, well she's gone, so yeah,
Speaker 2: have fun, have fun.
Speaker 4: While she is like it's always what about ism, It's like,
Speaker 4: well you're feeling you all run off, you all cry
Speaker 4: and run off and threw yeah yeah, yeah, like you
Speaker 4: know what.
Speaker 2: I mean none of them are professional. That's why they're
Speaker 2: on this fucking show. And Garcel's gonna go get real jobs. Now, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it is a real job.
Speaker 4: I love. I mean it is a bit. She's gonna
Speaker 4: get acting jobs, you know, and producing.
Speaker 2: Oh, I do have one more thing, so you know,
Speaker 2: we always have a split screen because we have notes.
Speaker 2: We have the zoom and we have notes, and I
Speaker 2: have three tabs open that are all Tetris, the same
Speaker 2: Tetris website. It's had a hold on me now again
Speaker 2: for too long, but someone told me that if something
Speaker 2: traumatic and awful happens to you, the first thing you
Speaker 2: should go do not the first, but you should immediately
Speaker 2: start playing Tetris because I guess it helps. I never
Speaker 2: know how to say the word apartmentalized, department, Yeah, parentalized
Speaker 2: your trauma and stuff, and then it like helps you
Speaker 2: figure shit out. So if something awful happens to you,
Speaker 2: you should be playing Tetris.
Speaker 1: I literally downloaded Tetris to my phone three days ago. WHOA,
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy. I've never had it on my phone.
Speaker 1: I just downloaded it and was like, I keep getting
Speaker 1: targeted for all these like really high death ads you know,
Speaker 1: like where the blocks look really three D and like
Speaker 1: it looks really satisfying to watch the lines like crush
Speaker 1: and go away. So I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm not buying one of these, but I'm gonna, like
Speaker 1: fucking just download regular Tetris. And the other day I
Speaker 1: played it. After being with my kids for a week,
Speaker 1: I just was on my couch. I just played Tetris
Speaker 1: for like half an hour.
Speaker 4: Trauma. That's my trauma.
Speaker 2: Also, so I was on Mark Marin's podcast, and obviously
Speaker 2: I know it's a really popular podcast, and I know
Speaker 2: it's like a big deal.
Speaker 4: It was something I've wanted to.
Speaker 2: Do for a long time, but the amount of people
Speaker 2: that have written to me is insane.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize this popular.
Speaker 2: And me and him named names, We talked shit, people
Speaker 2: got strays that did not deserve it, and I am like, oh,
Speaker 2: oh no.
Speaker 4: We're not gonna do it. Got clean up on Aisle four.
Speaker 2: Some people are reaching out like oh my god, thanks
Speaker 2: for saying my name or like that was so nice,
Speaker 2: and then other people are like, oh my god, They're
Speaker 2: like why'd you hit?
Speaker 4: And I was like, that's so fucking funny.
Speaker 2: I know it's it's so silly, but he's just he
Speaker 2: was just he's like me, you know, he's messy as well.
Speaker 2: So we we had some fun, but.
Speaker 1: I like, I could honestly see it going either way
Speaker 1: of YouTube getting along.
Speaker 2: No, And right away he goes, yeah, I always see you,
Speaker 2: but I ignore you or like we've never talked. I go, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe we'll stop ignoring each other. We truly make eye
Speaker 2: contact and don't acknowledge each other for years, for years,
Speaker 2: So you are right. But I got to pet his
Speaker 2: cats and he was amazing and like, it was you
Speaker 2: really and.
Speaker 4: You were in the garage? Was this when you were
Speaker 4: in La?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: The garage? Yeah yeah yeah?
Speaker 2: But yeah, so so he went to a hotel to
Speaker 2: meet with like mel Brooks, you know, but I think
Speaker 2: it's garage unless you're Obama, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I gotta go to the garage.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I didn't know if it was maybe like
Speaker 1: zoom or something. But yeah, wow, well that's cool. I
Speaker 1: met him last a Christmas ago and he was really nice.
Speaker 2: But for five minutes, yeah, he's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I definitely like got the chalk. I understand why he's like,
Speaker 2: you know, getting the fuck young women.
Speaker 4: I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My friend is a longtime listener and very beautiful woman,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I love Mark Marin like I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to tell him that I think I could
Speaker 1: fix him, like, you know, like she like loves it.
Speaker 2: No, I've been really hot. Women have been like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, how was he? I go, very charming, I understand,
Speaker 2: I understand. The people I like totally get it. And
Speaker 2: his house is built for the cats. It's like all
Speaker 2: for the cats. I go, Wow, the cats really room
Speaker 2: this place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like oh yeah, trick, so, oh my god, Wait,
Speaker 1: that's so funny that you guys talk shit hilarious.
Speaker 4: Well, well we're getting started. We're gonna get started.
Speaker 1: Go to you know, go to That's messed up live
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Speaker 4: And now we're here.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I had to postpone San Francisco.
Speaker 4: We have a new date.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be November sixth, seventh, and eighth, so I
Speaker 2: will be there soon. I think they're still going to
Speaker 2: refund you because it's like too long to hold people's money,
Speaker 2: But just buy him again if you're in town in November.
Speaker 2: Sorry about that, But Atlanta has just been added. I've
Speaker 2: never done stand up care and I've done the pod there.
Speaker 2: I've never done stand up in Atlanta ever, so I'm
Speaker 2: excited to do that. That's we'llby June and I'm going
Speaker 2: to Charlotte, so a lot of fun ahead of me.
Speaker 2: And then Australia. I'm there, our listeners, Australia down and wait,
Speaker 2: I'm going to Australia and New Zealand right yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know what else?
Speaker 4: I just did a fundraiser for child abuse.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it was in an Australia themed
Speaker 2: bar in the South Seaport, like past Battery Park, like
Speaker 2: so so far low Hugh Jackman might be an investor,
Speaker 2: but everyone had an Australian accent.
Speaker 4: It was crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: There used to be an Australian restaurant on the Upper
Speaker 1: West Side that I would go to for bottomless Mamosa
Speaker 1: brunch and they served the craziest, weird Australian food and
Speaker 1: everyone that worked there was an Australian.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they love to travel and they love
Speaker 4: to stick together. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But the Great White in La, the Great White Shark Place,
Speaker 2: that's an Australian place. I just went there for the
Speaker 2: first time like two weeks ago. I'd never been a
Speaker 2: Panta Monica. The Larch Larchmont. Yeah, I love it. No,
Speaker 2: the food was delicious. I had a great I had
Speaker 2: a great meal. I had a really good time there.
Speaker 2: It's very pretty all right, let's get started. We've got
Speaker 2: a good one for you. All right, we will be
Speaker 2: doing the episode Terrorized, season eighteen, episode one.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Fun, what you're shaking your head now?
Speaker 1: Why, It's just like it's just like, of course, of course,
Speaker 1: Stu was just like we got to get in the
Speaker 1: mix on all these things that were happening.
Speaker 4: At the time. It's just like, is it so many things.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't remember anything about this episode except this
Speaker 2: huge cold open that I've always been like, wait, what
Speaker 2: episode is that?
Speaker 4: And it's fucking this yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But like at this time, you know, September twenty first,
Speaker 1: the day after my birthday in twenty sixteen, this episode
Speaker 1: came out and we were still you know, blissfully in
Speaker 1: a pre Trump America. But there was a lot of
Speaker 1: terrorist stuff happening, and like, obviously that's the show was like, well,
Speaker 1: we got to dip a toe in, you know, we.
Speaker 4: Got to dip in a terrorist toe.
Speaker 2: I'm actually doing a terrorism joke right now and people
Speaker 2: want to not like it, but they like it. They
Speaker 2: have to, and it's been really a fun journey to
Speaker 2: work on.
Speaker 4: Anyways, I will get into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, it's so stupid that Hillary didn't win.
Speaker 4: It's like, imagine how like different everything would be.
Speaker 2: Oh so we open on cheery music, so that's kind
Speaker 2: of exciting, but then of course, oh no, JK. The
Speaker 2: greens are lush, it's a gorgeous day. There's kids with
Speaker 2: balloon hats. There's a balloon guy making balloons, and then
Speaker 2: a woman and a small boy walking hand in hand.
Speaker 2: We're not going to make any assumptions to their relationship.
Speaker 2: He runs off to go to the ballue. Art of course,
Speaker 2: a kid wants that. She chases after him. She's like
Speaker 2: Ali Ali, and but while she's running to catch him, bam,
Speaker 2: a bike hits her. She falls like, spins in the air,
Speaker 2: falls on the ground. It's really, it's.
Speaker 4: Really and this was like a real fuck, Like I, yeah.
Speaker 2: This happened to me when I was a child. What Yeah,
Speaker 2: when I was in summer camp in Chicago, Isla. It
Speaker 2: was on Peterson but I don't it was at a park.
Speaker 2: It was like a park district camp and I was
Speaker 2: crossing just like a bike path and a bike fucking
Speaker 2: hit me, and I remember it's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, could you not that's traumatic?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I remember being like, oh, fuck, when
Speaker 1: this lady gets hit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not it's not.
Speaker 2: A well and we'll get to well. Just there's so
Speaker 2: much people run to help her. We're in Central Park,
Speaker 2: you know, everyone's all hands on deck. But Alia doesn't
Speaker 2: fucking notice. He's getting balloons made. Kids are surrounding him.
Speaker 2: And now we cut to Benson. She's at the park.
Speaker 2: She's spinning Noah. It's by one of the statues. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I've seen the statue, but it's one
Speaker 2: of them. And she has a coffee. Her hair is shiny,
Speaker 2: just like a normal mom at the park. And it
Speaker 2: is our favorite era of Noah, Baby Noah, no offense
Speaker 2: to bisexual Noah.
Speaker 4: So now, oh my god.
Speaker 2: So then she like wants to throw away her coffee
Speaker 2: cup and wants in the garbage a newspaper with a
Speaker 2: photo of odds, and that stresses her out. Obviously, this
Speaker 2: is season eighteen, episode one, so the finale was when
Speaker 2: we lost baby Dots. So then her phone rings, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, I'm actually at the park with Noah.
Speaker 2: We'll head down to eighty four. So we find this boy.
Speaker 2: He doesn't speak English. She's playing in like a sandbox.
Speaker 2: And then the uniform cop you know, did the right thing, Olivia,
Speaker 2: you know, involving Olivia like he he seems young and inept.
Speaker 2: So then hand in hand with Noah, she approaches Ali.
Speaker 2: She's using her little baby voice. He responds by saying
Speaker 2: boom and knocking down. Not a sand castle? What do
Speaker 2: you call it when it's like a sand bucket mold?
Speaker 4: Is there a name? Beadcastle? It's not a sand castle.
Speaker 2: No, I need a little more construction for it to
Speaker 2: be a castle.
Speaker 1: Oh, like just one lump. It was one bucket lump.
Speaker 1: If it's a one bucket lump, it's a one bucket lump.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a name. I think it's the
Speaker 1: beginnings of a sand castle, but it's not. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think there should be a name, you know. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, though, You're like, I need
Speaker 1: like two structures the beginnings of a moat, like there
Speaker 1: has to be more for a sand castle.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this little boy crawls into his backpack. Guess what
Speaker 2: he takes out not an uncrustable a gun. He points
Speaker 2: the gun on Benson and so obviously she like, you know,
Speaker 2: say it puts Noah behind her.
Speaker 4: The uniform gun.
Speaker 1: Takes its truly so shocking, Like this is a kid
Speaker 1: that's seen guns being used before.
Speaker 4: He's not like playing with it. He's like, what's up?
Speaker 1: Like he looks like a man holding a gun, Like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he's holding it kind
Speaker 1: of right, I.
Speaker 2: Know, but he still looks like a little kid to me.
Speaker 2: And that's why, Yeah, I feel crazy. When the uniform
Speaker 2: guy aims the gun at the.
Speaker 1: Kid, totally I thought that was crazy too, But I
Speaker 1: was like, she's like, chill.
Speaker 2: Out, chill out, we don't yet tryal she grabs the
Speaker 2: gun from the kid. The kid's not like fighting this woman,
Speaker 2: and she takes the clip out. There is a bullet.
Speaker 2: She breathes really intensely as she hugs Noah. We hear
Speaker 2: sirens in the background, and it's the credits, So we're
Speaker 2: back from the credits. We're at the hospital and the
Speaker 2: boy is fine physically and not sexually abused, but definitely
Speaker 2: has trauma if he like has a gun in his backpack.
Speaker 2: His language seems like Eastern European Russian, it's not Russian,
Speaker 2: and they're looking for translators and hopefully, you know the boy,
Speaker 2: we could talk to this boys soon. They're trying to
Speaker 2: track down his family. Creasy rushes in with Rollins and
Speaker 2: Finn with some bad news for Benson. The lady that
Speaker 2: got hit with the bike, she didn't make it. And
Speaker 2: that's what I wanted to mention too. It's like people
Speaker 2: don't think bicycle that's a bad accident. It's a bad accident.
Speaker 2: Freck sat outside her bar, a guy was all like,
Speaker 2: all just hit a woman, and she goes like, you
Speaker 2: got to be off the fucking sidewalks and parks and
Speaker 2: wherever you fucking bicycle. Like it's really I really hate
Speaker 2: the bicycle community in this the electric one, especially like
Speaker 2: if you're not following all the rules and the lights
Speaker 2: and the directions like go fuck yourself. It is it's
Speaker 2: deadly force. It's like not casual and and this proves it.
Speaker 2: This lady is dead son and they don't refer to
Speaker 2: the mom. So we're like fuck so and so like
Speaker 2: witnesses help put this together and like that they saw
Speaker 2: this woman with the kid and they she did have
Speaker 2: an idea on her. Her name is Raheema Bobbitt. She
Speaker 2: has a city card with an address and a story. No,
Speaker 2: but they found kids subscreen in her bag now with
Speaker 2: the glock. It's unregistered, but they're searching with the serial number,
Speaker 2: and Benson wants.
Speaker 4: To keep the crime.
Speaker 2: And the kid got the gun from somewhere and we
Speaker 2: need to find who the fuck this is, Like Benson
Speaker 2: has personal vendetta and now you know Noah's involved, Like no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: They head to a story.
Speaker 2: They check out Bobbik's apartment, Rollin's increas here there all
Speaker 2: the evidence points to the boy lives there. And you
Speaker 2: know the evidence is just snacks in the fridge, but
Speaker 2: in a bag with his name embroidered on it, so
Speaker 2: he could be visiting. I don't understand when they jump
Speaker 2: to these weird conclusions with kitchen fines always in his
Speaker 2: little bag. There's a photo of him and his mother,
Speaker 2: and there's also a daily schedule. There's two pages of instructions,
Speaker 2: and then also a letter says, Raheema, no matter what happens,
Speaker 2: tell him I love him more than anything in the world.
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound good. So she doesn't know when or
Speaker 2: if she's coming back. That's what this letter is proving.
Speaker 2: And then Finn comes in with a neighbor that knew
Speaker 2: the deceased, and he also has seen the woman from
Speaker 2: the photo a couple of times too. She would dump
Speaker 2: the kid there, so that's like, you know, you don't
Speaker 2: have to use the word dump. This man has been
Speaker 2: in four SVU episodes. He looked familiar. He works a lot,
Speaker 2: but it's we know him from SVU. Robert s.
Speaker 4: Kirk. He said that they argued a lot.
Speaker 2: He says always something with these people, and Finn goes
Speaker 2: what people, He goes immigrants stuff like He's.
Speaker 4: Like, what kind of question is that.
Speaker 2: Finn goes, sure, and your people came here on the Mayflower, okay,
Speaker 2: and he got he looks gotten, so he leaves. I
Speaker 2: love that part and then rollins is like, we need
Speaker 2: to find this boy's mother. Do you have any ideas?
Speaker 2: He's like, well, I think she was a waitress, you know,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. Don't ask me where. And Rollins
Speaker 2: is ready to do detective work. And she saw that
Speaker 2: the leftovers in the fridge all came from one place,
Speaker 2: a diner called the Parthenon Classic. I feel like the
Speaker 2: food is good. I would go there, Cristinos it it's
Speaker 2: on thirty if they have great spawn of Copada.
Speaker 4: I fucking hate him right.
Speaker 2: Now, Like, you're right, it's always a fucking why would
Speaker 2: he know he's from Staten Island and you're telling me
Speaker 2: he knows a Greek diner on thirtieth in Queens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he is like diners are to him like
Speaker 1: Catholic schools are to Stabler, right, Like just this stupid
Speaker 1: encyclopedic knowledge of them that makes no sense. And also
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, I don't think Spana Copa.
Speaker 4: Is ever like Killer. It's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm never like, oh, the best Spanic cop but I've
Speaker 1: had a lot of Spanac. Maybe it's because you've never
Speaker 1: been to the Parthenon. Never I've been to the Parthenon. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, that's probably it. That is definitely it.
Speaker 4: But yeah.
Speaker 2: So and then Chester Lake, it's any structure that his
Speaker 2: family built.
Speaker 4: He knows everything and where it is. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Finn knows every narcotics undercover agent, and.
Speaker 1: Liv knows every designer label. Yeah, and Robins knows every
Speaker 1: stat of every athlete. That's like every any any guy's
Speaker 1: girl fact, yeah, guy's girl facts.
Speaker 4: So whatever.
Speaker 2: We're at the Parthenon and the manager knows the photo.
Speaker 2: He goes, that's anakopic and this guy's hot. And she
Speaker 2: has not shown up to work for three days, but
Speaker 2: that's usual. She comes and goes. He puts up with it.
Speaker 2: He doesn't give a fuck. He didn't know that she
Speaker 2: even had a son. And then he of course says,
Speaker 2: oh poor thing. Rollins asks questions. He says that she
Speaker 2: would show up with a black eye all the time
Speaker 2: and bruises so and he's down to give any info.
Speaker 2: Anything up, And they head to the address. Guess what it's.
Speaker 2: It's a vacuum like cleaner, fixer place, home goods store.
Speaker 2: There's no apartments there. The phone is a burner. So
Speaker 2: we're back to like square one. So the kid as
Speaker 2: a gun there's fake photo and addresses, there's bruises. She
Speaker 2: could be a sex worker on the run or dealing
Speaker 2: with some dealers. This is Rollin's in her judgmental era.
Speaker 2: She's like, well, maybe the kid's better off with social
Speaker 2: services and Chrissy goes, no, I mean the note she
Speaker 2: laugh made it seem like she did love her son,
Speaker 2: and hello, she's bruised up. Rollins goes, well, sometimes Lovin
Speaker 2: eight enough, And I'm like, okay, is this like Kim
Speaker 2: Rowlins residual trauma? Why you're such a bitch. She's such
Speaker 2: a bitch. Benson and Tucker are doing a brisk walking talk.
Speaker 2: It's been ten hours and they are nowhere. Benson's obviously
Speaker 2: personally affected. Benson gets a call and she goes, great,
Speaker 2: I'm on my way. She kisses Tucker. So we're in
Speaker 2: their dating moment, and this I will actually never forgive.
Speaker 2: Where light the writer's production, everyone on this. The fact
Speaker 2: that Tucker and her could not have ended up together
Speaker 2: and done great things at the Bureau, or at least
Speaker 2: broken up in a chill way so they could go
Speaker 2: back together, is fucked up.
Speaker 4: You're nodding, But I need the people to know that
Speaker 4: you agree with me, I'm not. I'm completely agree for me.
Speaker 4: He was her person.
Speaker 2: It kisses me and he had growth and change and
Speaker 2: he's hot and was older and like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I love Noah.
Speaker 1: They went to fucking the beginning of this episode, doesn't
Speaker 1: she go, you want me to fly you like the
Speaker 1: plane we took to Paris. It's like they went on
Speaker 1: a romantic trip to Paris. And he was like, yes,
Speaker 1: bring your kid, sure, let's do it. You know, I
Speaker 1: will never forgive. I will never forgive for this.
Speaker 2: So she bumps into the chief Daddy Dads and you know,
Speaker 2: she's kind of that fault for his son dying.
Speaker 4: So the tension is real.
Speaker 2: There's resent and yeah, he's being icy as fuck and
Speaker 2: he's holding meetings without her. They give each other dust stairs.
Speaker 2: She's like, I am lieutenant, I should be in the meeting,
Speaker 2: and he goes, no, no one wants you in the meeting.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and he walks off, but not
Speaker 2: before glancing over to the side of her, and it's
Speaker 2: an immemorium photo of his son, Baby Dodds.
Speaker 4: So this is intense, but.
Speaker 1: It was it was I thought it was baby Dodds's
Speaker 1: like fault, wasn't it not to victim blame.
Speaker 2: But like she shouldn't have left. She shouldn't have left.
Speaker 2: She should have just pushed the woman out. She like
Speaker 2: left with one of the hostages and left him alone.
Speaker 2: And he did a bad police work because he was
Speaker 2: a young, unexperienced detective that only got the job from nepotism.
Speaker 2: So it's actually his dad's fault, Yeah, for putting him
Speaker 2: in the line of duty in a job he was
Speaker 2: not prepared for or ready for. Her he did that bad,
Speaker 2: But she shouldn't have left. Yeah, I never really think
Speaker 2: of it as her fault, but like I thought she
Speaker 2: was just like she's trying to get them. She makes
Speaker 2: everything about her, so she better at least holds some
Speaker 2: blame for this, Like, yeah, there are things where she
Speaker 2: like took a swab and then the girl did and
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, I wasted, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just like haa, I don't know. It's complicated. It's complicated, Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he's also he's he's very freshly grieving, so yes,
Speaker 1: yeah he should get another job.
Speaker 2: So whiteboard colage time, the lab got a partial off
Speaker 2: the block. It's Luca'sterzik twenty six born in New York.
Speaker 2: Anna is Bosnian Coloriana whatever, I'm gonna switch it up.
Speaker 2: Anna is Bosnian national on a student visa. And we
Speaker 2: have an apartment for Luca and queens. Finn and Grease
Speaker 2: are gonna head down, but Benson's like, oh, I'm coming
Speaker 2: the fuck with you, and I need to find out
Speaker 2: why this kid had a glock. And they arrive obviously
Speaker 2: no answer at the door. Finn shoulders the door open,
Speaker 2: dramatic music. They turn on the lights, white walls. So
Speaker 2: that's like I think of spy movies. It's like born
Speaker 2: identity shit, there's nothing. It's sparse, like no one cares
Speaker 2: about furniture we have. There is a family photo. It
Speaker 2: is Luca, Anna and the boy, and it seems like
Speaker 2: someone left in a hurry. The hard drive is gone.
Speaker 2: They're searching slowly. Finn opens the door and uh, oh,
Speaker 2: we got a problem. It's a room of machine guns,
Speaker 2: so many guns, bombs, wires, I'm talking like three dozen
Speaker 2: weapons and then there's two frames and in them Arabic words.
Speaker 2: So we need to call terrorism. So we call ESU
Speaker 2: Joint Terrorism and the bomb squad. Now we have a
Speaker 2: walk and talk with Daddy, Dodds and Benson. So Luca
Speaker 2: is a US citizen, Anna is a legal immigrant. They're
Speaker 2: not on any watch lists. There are no known connections.
Speaker 2: He wants to grill the kids. She's like, he is four.
Speaker 2: He goes, I don't care, Okay, So whatever. The Feds
Speaker 2: are there, but everyone's down to work together. This is
Speaker 2: obviously like a huge thing and they need to find
Speaker 2: these people because they're obviously planning a mass casualty effect.
Speaker 2: All media outlets, precincts have their photos all hands on deck,
Speaker 2: round the clock shifts and teamwork.
Speaker 4: It's like busy.
Speaker 2: It's a busy precinst Rollin's and Creasy come running to
Speaker 2: Benson and Odds and they got something. A management company
Speaker 2: for the apartment building and rent on his apartment is
Speaker 2: paid by a guy named armand Saedron. So they go
Speaker 2: to a midtown office address. They're rushing over there, bulletproof
Speaker 2: vest brigade. They find him, arrest him. A hardcore he's
Speaker 2: a business suit guy. He's like, what the fuck, I'm
Speaker 2: a US citizen. I mean, this is all really fucked
Speaker 2: up to be reading as people are getting snatched off
Speaker 2: the streets. For all the different citizenships they have. So
Speaker 2: but whatever, Armand does know Luca, he's not denying it.
Speaker 2: It's his half brother. He pays his rent because he's broke,
Speaker 2: and then he's like, what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2: What's going on? He's like, you got the wrong guy,
Speaker 2: like my brother, what are you guys doing here? Creasey
Speaker 2: grabs its phone and says, call your brother, call him now,
Speaker 2: and he goes, how about it, call my lawyer.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: Creasy grabs the phone, finds Luca's you know number in
Speaker 2: their last call was yesterday at nude. The guy's starting
Speaker 2: to look concerned and this guy, if you is the
Speaker 2: father from the Street Gang and street Wise. So a
Speaker 2: huge moment for us as watchers of SVU. This less
Speaker 2: Eyeliner than his season nine episode. The moment Luca answers,
Speaker 2: he starts screaming in his native language and to me,
Speaker 2: I wrote, in all caps, I mean dumb ough to
Speaker 2: not leave the room is so stupid. They could have
Speaker 2: been like, hey, we have your brother, he's in the hospital.
Speaker 2: Like there's so many things like this is the dumbest
Speaker 2: choice on Caresee's part.
Speaker 4: Finn jumps on him to shut his ass up.
Speaker 2: Cresey's begging him not to hang up, but obviously Luca
Speaker 2: is gone. They get Taru involved and he goes, I,
Speaker 2: you know, my brother's innocent, and I demand a lawyer.
Speaker 2: Crisy says, shut up. Taru finds the phone location, but
Speaker 2: the phone's just in a dumpster, screen cracked and locked.
Speaker 2: So business brother keeps being like, my brother's poor and dumb,
Speaker 2: like he wouldn't do this. I pay for I do
Speaker 2: everything because he's poor and dumb. So what do we do? Now?
Speaker 2: We gotta call Barbara. So we're in chambers. It's Judge
Speaker 2: Stephen Carry. Barbara is begging for permission to make the
Speaker 2: phone company and manufacture give the past codes to the
Speaker 2: private phone because of public safety, should companies on lock phones?
Speaker 4: I say no, never, but I mean I don't know,
Speaker 4: like I'm going to talk about it a little bit
Speaker 4: in the park. Yeah, well, because yeah, I'm curious.
Speaker 2: Okay, So judge doesn't like it, but these are unique circumstances.
Speaker 2: Of course, Barbara gets his way, but even the judge
Speaker 2: is like, okay, but the company could still fight and
Speaker 2: appeal this, but you know, I'm fine with you doing it,
Speaker 2: And that's what they're doing the manufacturers refusing to unlock
Speaker 2: because that obviously sets up a fucked up precedent, and
Speaker 2: we don't want companies giving our shit up to the government.
Speaker 2: Yeah but okay, So Dodds is impatient and Benson is like,
Speaker 2: we're trying our best because I don't trust the government.
Speaker 4: Okay. So anyway, so he says, try harder.
Speaker 2: Finn interrupts the because I would I would like to
Speaker 2: be able to help stop a terrorist to sack if
Speaker 2: that's what my phone needed to do or had the
Speaker 2: information wildly but right, tough, Okay, so he says, try harder.
Speaker 2: Fit interrupts this uncomfortable energy again. The death, the death.
Speaker 2: So they got something Cariesian Avess. He says that facial
Speaker 2: recognition got a hit on traffic cam twenty minutes ago,
Speaker 2: and it's Luca and a woman that looks like on him.
Speaker 2: They're entering Central Park on west side of seventy second Street.
Speaker 2: It's afternoons, so many people are in the park, all
Speaker 2: hands on decks. So we're at the park. There's a
Speaker 2: small crowd watching dancers and like street performers, and Luca
Speaker 2: and Anna approach and he's pulling her. She doesn't look
Speaker 2: thrilled to be there, but they do have backpacks. We
Speaker 2: hear sirens, we hear running. People are enjoying the dancing,
Speaker 2: so people are having a good time. And then we
Speaker 2: see a bearded man having like a good time vibing
Speaker 2: to the music. But then he makes eye contact with Luca,
Speaker 2: doesn't like the vibe, looks him up and down, sees
Speaker 2: the gun under the shirt. So the bearded guy turns
Speaker 2: to Luca, takes out his badge and says, excuse me,
Speaker 2: and no time, Luca shoots him in the chest.
Speaker 4: He's dead.
Speaker 2: Tons of people are getting a shot so fast. Ten
Speaker 2: of people lay down to not get If you're off duty,
Speaker 2: stay off duty, babe. Benson and like twenty cops run
Speaker 2: into the crowd. The shooters run up the stairs of
Speaker 2: something and it looks like a construction zone or something
Speaker 2: like that. Okay, so they approach Anna. She says, help me, please,
Speaker 2: but all the guns are on her. Benson has a
Speaker 2: glare of I'm disgusted with you anger. They hate her.
Speaker 2: She's like begging, shaking and nervous. Benson's face wants to soften,
Speaker 2: but she can't quite yet. Benson runs to the hospital
Speaker 2: where Dodds is waiting with the stats. One dead, four wounded,
Speaker 2: two critical.
Speaker 4: Dead.
Speaker 2: On arrival is Tom Flannery, and Flannery is familiar to
Speaker 2: Benson and he is an off duty police officer. Special
Speaker 2: Agent Dan Connelly arrives on the scene, eating time for Benson.
Speaker 2: The suspect isn't talking and all she cares about is
Speaker 2: her son, so obviously they want Benson to talk. So
Speaker 2: Anna relates to her as a mother or whatever. She's
Speaker 2: better talking to people. So we're in a new room.
Speaker 2: We're in a white wall, white bars, metal door handle vibes,
Speaker 2: so we've never seen this room. Anna is shocked he
Speaker 2: was alone, and even more surprised that he had a gun,
Speaker 2: Like she was like, what the fuck? Like I left
Speaker 2: him with my aunt.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: Then they have to reveal to her that her aunt
Speaker 2: is dead. She is visibly upset. Her body tries to move,
Speaker 2: but her handcuffs are attached to the table. She really
Speaker 2: wants to see her son, and they're like, well, you
Speaker 2: need to give us information. You're not like gonna go,
Speaker 2: you know, see your son. So she just keeps shaking
Speaker 2: her head saying I don't know, I don't know. In
Speaker 2: walks Elizabeth Marvel aka Rita Calhoun and saves her client
Speaker 2: right in the nick of time. Benson goes, wow, Rita,
Speaker 2: you're representing terrorists now, and she says, suspected terrorist and
Speaker 2: everyone's entitled to a defense. So we're back at the precinct.
Speaker 2: I want to know who called her.
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to I was thinking, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Rita's doing this pro bono, but like that's not usually
Speaker 1: Rita's thing.
Speaker 2: Like no, sometimes with these big guys like we've seen
Speaker 2: Trevor Lake and no more, like they like to take
Speaker 2: these to make them feel like they're not evil people.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. Yeah. And because the only other times she
Speaker 4: helped a victim it was her friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 2: I just because Armand's in custody right or they had
Speaker 2: to let him go. Well, I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: wonder who called the anstaid. She doesn't seem like she
Speaker 2: has a big network. So do you think read A
Speaker 2: saw it on the news and went running Our lawyer's
Speaker 2: just fighting or like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like are they like who gets there first? Like
Speaker 4: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Like some associate called and was like this one seems juicy.
Speaker 1: You might like you might want this, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really know. Well, all right, whatever, it's it's
Speaker 1: a mass shooting in Central Park. Like we truly don't
Speaker 1: know anybody except for the brother who's connected to a
Speaker 1: controversial mosque in Queens. But the Feds don't have him
Speaker 1: and they let him go and they're like, wait what.
Speaker 1: But he's better on the street because then we can
Speaker 1: see if we can pick up on chatter or get
Speaker 1: information from his movements. So then the special Agent asked
Speaker 1: Benson to pick up with Anna Tamaras since she has
Speaker 1: a relationship with Calhoun and they're gonna indict her on
Speaker 1: murder and terrorism charges.
Speaker 4: So Dodds says, too late.
Speaker 2: The DA file charges ten minutes ago, and the chief
Speaker 2: and the big guns are like, well, that's so dumb,
Speaker 2: and he goes, nope, Flannery was one of our own,
Speaker 2: and that's that.
Speaker 4: Then he runs off, and this is grief talking.
Speaker 2: Benson runs after him while tons of media run to
Speaker 2: get scooped from Barba. And so that's where we're out.
Speaker 2: It's a frenzy outside. He goes, we are working together.
Speaker 2: We don't know much, and we don't care about affiliations
Speaker 2: or motivations. What this woman did was murder and that's that.
Speaker 2: So we're in court, she's pleading not guilty. He wants
Speaker 2: her man. She goes no release, so Calhoun, which I
Speaker 2: think is crazy, he wants to release on her own recognisance,
Speaker 2: and the Dutchess is like freeze say like a joke. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So there's murmurs in the galley and the judge asks
Speaker 2: why would that be appropriate?
Speaker 4: And she goes because Anna is a victim.
Speaker 2: She was raped and tortured for hours before the homice
Speaker 2: side by her fiance and his brother. She was present,
Speaker 2: but she was not there under her own free will,
Speaker 2: and if she didn't cooperate, she herself would have been murdered.
Speaker 2: And we got that energy from her. She wasn't like
Speaker 2: happy to be there, right right right. Barbara and Benson
Speaker 2: are walking and talking. Barbara thinks it's bullshit. Benson doesn't
Speaker 2: think Rita would make this up. Cariese comes running up
Speaker 2: with files. The abuse has spanned five years. Barbara's pissed.
Speaker 2: Benson goes, just because she's a murderer doesn't mean she
Speaker 2: can't also be a rape victim. Barbara says she's playing
Speaker 2: right into the games. Of the defense, Benson, you should
Speaker 2: know better than that. Anna needs to go down hard,
Speaker 2: and Benson's like, okay, I'm gonna go speak to her,
Speaker 2: you fucking idiot. So they star at each other for
Speaker 2: a while. We're back in this white room, Benson says,
Speaker 2: I'm just here to listen, regardless of what happened yesterday.
Speaker 4: So she came to the US six years ago. She
Speaker 4: wanted to be a nurse. And this is.
Speaker 2: Again why we have to treat people that are like
Speaker 2: whatever on visas or freshly here, Like everyone needs to
Speaker 2: feel safe to get help because I don't yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, I'm just thinking about like coming here,
Speaker 2: your being abuse. She wanted to be a nurse. She
Speaker 2: lived with her aunt and queens. Then she met Luca
Speaker 2: and he was nice and he took her out to
Speaker 2: eat and clubs. She fell in love. But then everything changed.
Speaker 2: He changed. She was angry all the time. He hated everyone,
Speaker 2: rich people, Jews, gay people, black people. Then he started
Speaker 2: to hit her, then started forcing her to have sex
Speaker 2: when she didn't want to, and then forcing his brother
Speaker 2: to on her too, and they would do it together
Speaker 2: and it went on for years.
Speaker 4: So fun, But I wonder what was Luca just abusive
Speaker 4: all along? You know what I mean? Like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, she never told anyone was too afraid, and
Speaker 2: they threatened to kill her and take away her son
Speaker 2: and she would die a whore because they have video
Speaker 2: and they're gonna make it look like she was having
Speaker 2: fun and send it to all her family. She said
Speaker 2: the last assault was too boring because ago and it
Speaker 2: was still dark out. She remembers hearing the garbage trucks
Speaker 2: and that's what she focused on, the sound of the trucks.
Speaker 2: Rita says, show her what they did to you. She
Speaker 2: shows marks on her body and so basically she hit
Speaker 2: Armin in the face and they got mad and beat
Speaker 2: the shit out of her with belts, and she wanted
Speaker 2: to do something or call the cops, but she was
Speaker 2: afraid for her and her son and she didn't want
Speaker 2: anyone else to die. So she starts crying. She goes,
Speaker 2: please forgive me. Benson wants to do a rape kit.
Speaker 2: Benson walks off colder than usual, and I think it's
Speaker 2: because Noah was there and the gun and like put
Speaker 2: her son in danger. So Benson is like pleading with Dodds. Like,
Speaker 2: so passionately. She's like the rape kit confirmed vaginal and
Speaker 2: anal intercourse. And then Barraba is like watching from the
Speaker 2: background and seeing all of this happen, and there's tearing
Speaker 2: and abrasions and they're running the DNA on the seamen.
Speaker 2: But she was brutalized. He goes, yeah, but she still
Speaker 2: killed a cop and a college student just died too,
Speaker 2: who is in critical condition. Barbara agrees with Dodds and
Speaker 2: does not care, and Dodds wants her to pause the
Speaker 2: rape investigation untill the trial is over, and her eyes widen.
Speaker 2: They really don't care about the rape, and she's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not an idiot, Like I understand bigger things are
Speaker 2: at play here, but I can't not do this. I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to do my job, she says, and he responds,
Speaker 2: with all due respect, doing your job cost my son
Speaker 2: his life, so.
Speaker 4: This is out of pocket.
Speaker 1: Like you don't fucking say that you don't like dog
Speaker 1: Come on.
Speaker 4: Also, yeah, he's been wanting to say it all episode.
Speaker 1: I've been you know, at this point, you still hate
Speaker 1: Dodds like you've always hated Daddy Dodds like I have,
Speaker 1: like I've like I hated Daddy Dodds so much. He
Speaker 1: does soften up towards the end, right before he leaves,
Speaker 1: and it's like you want to have empathy for him
Speaker 1: and have like you're like, oh, this is when I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start liking Daddy Dodds because now he's grieving.
Speaker 4: But he's even more of a dick in his grief.
Speaker 4: He's such a dick. But I'm on his side wildly.
Speaker 1: All that matters is that this cop died, and like,
Speaker 1: we're not investigating the thing that this unit investigates.
Speaker 4: Though you're on his side, I'm on.
Speaker 2: His side in terms of like Benson, fuck off, you
Speaker 2: were there, like you were lieutenant and you know.
Speaker 4: But it's probably.
Speaker 2: Because he feels so guilty that he knows deep down
Speaker 2: it's like not her fault. I just feel he's acting out.
Speaker 2: I'm not on his side. I think they should investigate
Speaker 2: the rain. I think Benson's right about everything, but I
Speaker 2: get his anim I'm like, okay with his attitude, I guess,
Speaker 2: but I overall, I think, well, we should actually do
Speaker 2: a bracket. Maybe, I mean, March madness is over, but
Speaker 2: this is the bracket I want to do. Is like
Speaker 2: all the men that come in and try to like
Speaker 2: overpower Benson, like I hate them all, Like do I
Speaker 2: hate Dodd's more than McGrath. So I hate old Tucker
Speaker 2: Like there's just so many of them that come in
Speaker 2: and out and try to tell her what to do.
Speaker 2: Yeabraham is number one because of the pedophile stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to act holier than now and know that you've
Speaker 1: got a fucking flash drive of child porn taped underneath
Speaker 1: your desk, like you're psychotic?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, whatever, A lot of a lot of stairs
Speaker 2: God's stammers. He leaves Benson stunned. Barbara goes, he didn't
Speaker 2: mean it, and Benson goes, oh he did, and he
Speaker 2: is it wrong? And Barbara goes, don't do that, and
Speaker 2: she goes. She goes, I know we all want someone
Speaker 2: to pay for what happened. I'm just not sure that
Speaker 2: person was Ona. He thinks that she is just as
Speaker 2: guilty as Luca. I want to know the ballistics, like
Speaker 2: what bullets went anywhere? Like it was like I didn't
Speaker 2: I have to gun? Yeah? So wait, did I say
Speaker 2: that Luca's was like dead on a right, like they
Speaker 2: killed him, they shot his ass. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you said that. No, I didn't. They killed him. They
Speaker 2: killed him on the scene. So Barbara goes just as
Speaker 2: guilty as Luca. Rape or no rape. She is a killer,
Speaker 2: and that is what I'm going to tell the jury.
Speaker 2: Her phone buzzes, the DNA came back and the boy
Speaker 2: Ali the father is Luca's brother, Arman, not fucking Luca.
Speaker 2: So this gets even more twisted because that means he
Speaker 2: has paternal rights. So if Anna goes to prison, the
Speaker 2: boy ends up with that motherfucker, and if the Feds
Speaker 2: can't come up with a case against him, he's gonna
Speaker 2: get the boy. And we need to stop this. She
Speaker 2: starts to leave. I mean, how many more? This is
Speaker 2: two layered at this point. Too many layers. She starts
Speaker 2: to leave. He goes, where are you going? And she
Speaker 2: goes to investigate a case that nobody wants me to
Speaker 2: so dramatic. So we're in cement roombar is finally a
Speaker 2: familiar room. We got him in there, and he is denied, denied, deny.
Speaker 2: He's cocky. I wouldn't do that. She wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: We're not doing it, and they're like, we have DNA,
Speaker 2: so shut up, and he turns it around to think
Speaker 2: of a story.
Speaker 4: He says, fine, you're right. I did have sex with
Speaker 4: her a few times.
Speaker 2: Benson goes sit down, and he's like, she's a whore,
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, that's not a nice word. And he goes,
Speaker 2: she's not a nice woman. She's a manipulator and a user.
Speaker 2: She came here and ruined my brother's life and turned
Speaker 2: him into a killer and a radical. So he's like
Speaker 2: denying everything, and then they realize that he's wearing the
Speaker 2: fucking belt that they abused her with.
Speaker 4: So they're like, they're like, you fool, you're wearing the belt.
Speaker 2: And he has nothing to say because he is, and
Speaker 2: he says, I want a lawyer. So Benson goes, okay,
Speaker 2: but you're going down with or without a lawyer, And
Speaker 2: he goes, okay, she's a terrorist who cares and a tramp.
Speaker 2: Do you really think anybody cares about her? And Benson
Speaker 2: like puts her hands on the table and leans in
Speaker 2: and goes, I do, and then nods at rollins and
Speaker 2: goes and so does she and trust me, that's enough,
Speaker 2: and he knows she's not lying, And truly one of
Speaker 2: the sexiest scenes of the whole tenure of this show cool.
Speaker 4: The ladies leave him.
Speaker 2: He's pouting, and so now her emotions court is the
Speaker 2: rape relevant, is it not? We got Barba versus Calhoun?
Speaker 2: It's a lot. Benson's on the stand trying to convince
Speaker 2: the judge. Barbara is like, so fucking annoyed. Benson's on
Speaker 2: the stand and she's convinced that Anna is a victim
Speaker 2: of a brutal and painful sexual assault. Dodds Now is
Speaker 2: in the office and it's a bustling precinct and when
Speaker 2: Benson walks in, he rushes at her, are you a
Speaker 2: copper defense lawyer? And she goes, I did what I
Speaker 2: thought was right, and then she also goes, and what
Speaker 2: did you want me to do? Perjure myself? And he's mad,
Speaker 2: and you know, the Chief of des is mad, the
Speaker 2: mayor's mad, the da is mad. They're all pissed, and
Speaker 2: they want a fucking head to serve up on a
Speaker 2: shiny platter. And he needs her to at least pretend
Speaker 2: to be on their side and not the terrorists, and
Speaker 2: Benson shakes her head.
Speaker 4: Barbara walks in.
Speaker 2: Benson goes, oh great, you want to fight too, and
Speaker 2: he goes, listen, your ambission is stupid, self centered idea, realistic,
Speaker 2: even if admirable, And she says, rape is rape. We
Speaker 2: don't get to invent our victims or our purpse. And
Speaker 2: we hear evidence, we investigate. Unless you're a Muslim woman,
Speaker 2: of course, So let's get patriotic and move on.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 2: And Barbara goes, listen, the judge ruled in our favor,
Speaker 2: and she goes, your favor, not our favor, and he
Speaker 2: goes either way, the rape isn't going into this case,
Speaker 2: and he's like, and I keep telling you, this case
Speaker 2: is different. So she's left alone at her desk to ponder.
Speaker 2: Benson finds Calhoun on the street, who's acting really breezy
Speaker 2: for this kind of serious trial, bright blue suit, like
Speaker 2: really fun. Bence goes, look, it's over. You're not going
Speaker 2: to win. This case is important to too many people.
Speaker 2: Benson's like, it's time to cut a deal for Anna's sake.
Speaker 2: Once this goes to trial, he is going to max
Speaker 2: her out. And she goes, well, that's not a reason
Speaker 2: to cut a deal. She goes, no, but this is
Speaker 2: armand's going to get sole custody of that little boy.
Speaker 2: So if she cuts the deal on the murder and terrorism.
Speaker 2: Then it gives her more leverage to pursue the rape
Speaker 2: case and make sure Armand never goes near the little
Speaker 2: boy again. Rita thinks, but the meeting's going to happen,
Speaker 2: So bar says it needs to be murder one.
Speaker 4: Rita goes, we'll accept it on two conditions.
Speaker 2: One, at sentencing you'll advocate twenty to life and advocate
Speaker 2: for parole to be on the table. He nods, yes,
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. Two, you'll agree to use your
Speaker 2: best efforts to prosecute Armand for rape. He says, well,
Speaker 2: I can't do that. She goes, wait on the record,
Speaker 2: but off the record, you could like nod and so
Speaker 2: he nods. She but why can't whatever? So she says,
Speaker 2: I don't want my son to be raised by that man.
Speaker 2: As Barbara gets up to leave, he will ruin him
Speaker 2: and turn him into a monster and a killer. He's
Speaker 2: like kind of he's just not emotionally swayed by this woman.
Speaker 2: He doesn't feel sympathetic to her in any capacity. Like
Speaker 2: it is what it is, and Benson find like it's
Speaker 2: all up to Benson. She needs to find evidence and
Speaker 2: like do a good investigation Rita gets up and she's
Speaker 2: just like, listen, you can go fly the flag and
Speaker 2: declare victory in you one, but deep down you know
Speaker 2: the truth and you know that she is not evil,
Speaker 2: she is not a killer.
Speaker 4: She is a rape victim.
Speaker 2: And Anna drops her head really low, and Barbara says, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try my best. So Benson runs into Barbara's
Speaker 2: office pissed as fuck. What do you mean there's not
Speaker 2: enough evidence? And he goes, okay, hello in a smug tone,
Speaker 2: and Benson interrupts. She goes, the evidence is overwhelming. We
Speaker 2: have his semen, we have tearing, we have bruising, we
Speaker 2: have testimony. Benson goes, you said you would try your best,
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, no, I am. They're gonna say
Speaker 2: she's a wildhre who likes rough sex and she's already
Speaker 2: a convicted murder and terrorists like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: to tell you. Humanity's humanity. That's the jury, babe, and
Speaker 2: so he says she needs more. Benson goes, okay, how
Speaker 2: about the video of them raping and beating her?
Speaker 4: Would that be enough? And he goes, are you being sarcastic?
Speaker 2: And she goes, no, they used to record the brutality,
Speaker 2: and it was a way of maintaining control. The problem
Speaker 2: is dot dot dot. Barbara realizes it's on the locked phone.
Speaker 2: So we're back at Supreme Court. We got Barbara pleading
Speaker 2: to get into the phone. Barbara's gonnahead, you know, go
Speaker 2: heads ahead with these big companies. It's legal time, you know,
Speaker 2: court happens, it's it's the normal fight.
Speaker 4: It would ruin security.
Speaker 2: Barbara's at the office quick and Benson goes, we won,
Speaker 2: but they appealed within seconds, so we're back to square
Speaker 2: one for a while. Barbara does not think that DA
Speaker 2: would support doing this right now, and she does finally
Speaker 2: get it. They talk about mass shootings, but Anna deserves
Speaker 2: justice for what happened to her and she just wants
Speaker 2: her kids to be safe. Benson wants to arrest him
Speaker 2: and that's that, and they all have their vests and
Speaker 2: they're gonna arrest him no matter what. The FBI's there though,
Speaker 2: and she's like, what the fuck's going on, and they
Speaker 2: said that they picked up some chatter he's talking to
Speaker 2: known radicals and she goes, well, I have a warrant
Speaker 2: for his arrest and they're like, well, that needs to wait.
Speaker 2: The chief guy from earlier is not being as nice
Speaker 2: as he was earlier in the show. He doesn't really
Speaker 2: need her anymore. They're taking him to a very special
Speaker 2: and secure hotel and that's that he's being carried out.
Speaker 2: He gives Benson a dirty look, and I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess he's being arrested. So who gives a fuck? He's
Speaker 2: being taken whatever. Yeah, van door's closed or square. I
Speaker 2: don't know what the hotel meets like. I don't know
Speaker 2: does that goe tanam obey like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: that kind of.
Speaker 4: I think that's the I think that's the implication.
Speaker 2: Okay, our squad stairs, we're at a Metro it's in
Speaker 2: correctional center and Anna get some time with her son.
Speaker 2: Benson's watching in the corner. She says, you don't have
Speaker 2: to worry about Armen anymore. They contacted her sister. She's
Speaker 2: on her way to New York right now, and he's
Speaker 2: gonna go live with her in Bosnia. Anna is so relieved,
Speaker 2: Thanks Benson, but it's also time to say goodbye. It's
Speaker 2: really emotional.
Speaker 4: They hug. The boy cries.
Speaker 2: Benson his back at the park with Noah kissing baby
Speaker 2: Noah and Tucker meets them at the park. She has
Speaker 2: white nail polish, love it. She's so happy even though
Speaker 2: the week was tough and hard, and she starts to cry.
Speaker 2: He goes, why are you crying? And she's scared it
Speaker 2: won't last and she's right, and Tucker says that's not true.
Speaker 2: He's a liar and not if I can help it,
Speaker 2: you can't, and he brushes her hair and they go
Speaker 2: for a walk with Noah in the park and that's
Speaker 2: dick wolf baby.
Speaker 4: It's so cute. I like them walking as a family.
Speaker 1: I just don't get I guess it's hard to say
Speaker 1: whether she was fully part of the terror attack, and
Speaker 1: maybe now she's just playing victim, like we can't know
Speaker 1: if she's acting or not, but like it seems to
Speaker 1: me from what's portrayed in the episode that she's just
Speaker 1: been like literally abused and beaten down for years, has
Speaker 1: nowhere to go, is worried if she tells anyone.
Speaker 4: What did they want her to do? They wanted her
Speaker 4: to go to authorities.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she doesn't trust authorities and thinks she'd be
Speaker 1: deported and that if he finds out, he'll kill her.
Speaker 1: Or kill her son, So like, how could she have
Speaker 1: stopped anything from happening? Like she was literally a hostile.
Speaker 1: I think of her as like a hostage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, you know, so I think she was
Speaker 2: not from Bosnian, was white, it would be different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty to life for being like a hostage, like
Speaker 1: mentally beaten down, and like if she pulled.
Speaker 4: The trigger, yeah, I don't know, but I felt like
Speaker 4: they didn't say that she did. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I was not watching closely enough. I didn't think
Speaker 1: I saw her shoot any guns. But if she did,
Speaker 1: then obviously yes, if you're responsible for taking people's lives.
Speaker 2: But I thought she was just like standing there scared.
Speaker 2: And it's a good episode, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 2: And I want to know you had a lot of
Speaker 2: work to do. I feel a lot of crimes.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, there were a lot of crimes, but I
Speaker 1: focused on one. Why was the back Why was the
Speaker 1: gun in the kid's back back? You think the kid
Speaker 1: just grabbed it?
Speaker 4: This is yeah.
Speaker 1: You think the kid was like, I'm just gonna grab
Speaker 1: one of daddy's guns on my way out, Like I
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, anyway, I would have thought that.
Speaker 2: Do you think that the ant put it in for
Speaker 2: some reason, like she knew what was happening.
Speaker 1: Hold this little guy, I don't want to walk through
Speaker 1: New York with this am was a part of it.
Speaker 2: What if they are actually all part of this thing
Speaker 2: and that was all a fake thing and she was.
Speaker 4: Going to join them in the park.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well, but I think they loved the boy.
Speaker 4: I don't think they would have like left the boy
Speaker 4: for I don't know. I find it hard to believe
Speaker 4: that this. I don't know. Maybe I don't that the bad.
Speaker 1: Guy would have like wanted to like take on a
Speaker 1: four year old by himself, but probably just to like
Speaker 1: radicalize them and turn him into like a MINII.
Speaker 2: But this case, that's like a TikTok thing that I
Speaker 2: see where it's like men that never were involved with
Speaker 2: their kids suddenly want half customer full custody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you didn't even do that when they were
Speaker 4: when you were together. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you ever see that girl who calls guys and
Speaker 1: tells them about their child's aport payments?
Speaker 4: Of course?
Speaker 2: Honey, yeah, yeah, yeah, what I'm chronically online and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to see her.
Speaker 4: She's fun to watch, she's fun to watch, So.
Speaker 1: They mentioned in this episode tons of different stuff September eleventh,
Speaker 1: like riots in Argentina, the Utopia night club fire bombings
Speaker 1: in Madrid, all kinds of like.
Speaker 4: Sam Bernardino. That's what I thought of.
Speaker 1: Well, I mentioned, well, I thought of Sam Bernardino, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about it briefly. But it is
Speaker 1: kind of more based in a way on the Pulse
Speaker 1: nightclub shooting in Orlando. So this episode obviously is linked
Speaker 1: to the mass murder at Pulse Again nightclub in Orlando
Speaker 1: that was committed by Omar Matin on June twel in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Famously always sticks in my mind because I
Speaker 1: woke up after my cousin's wedding in a hotel room
Speaker 1: with my mother and I was watching the news about
Speaker 1: this on MSNBC and my mom goes, can we turn
Speaker 1: the news on? And I go what the news is on?
Speaker 1: And she goes, no, no, like Fox News. Like that's
Speaker 1: when I knew the rot was in there. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, Like this is a full addiction, Like she
Speaker 1: cannot this is a this is non politicize, like this
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be politicized, Like they're literally just reporting
Speaker 1: a very recent shooting that happened, Like why does it
Speaker 1: matter if we're watching it on CNN, or like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Crazy anyway. So matteen was an
Speaker 1: Afghan American. He was born in New York, raised from
Speaker 1: childhood in Florida, where he had problems his whole life
Speaker 1: in school, semming from violence.
Speaker 4: He was known as a bully.
Speaker 1: In high school, he praised the nine to eleven terrorists
Speaker 1: and claimed that Bin Lauden was his uncle. By the
Speaker 1: time he graduated this sort of like special high school
Speaker 1: that he went to for children with behavioral problems, he'd
Speaker 1: been suspended for forty eight days for various incidents involving
Speaker 1: him fighting and hurting other students. So troubled from the
Speaker 1: get go, I think his dad seems like a crazy person.
Speaker 1: His dad tried to like run for office in Afghanistan
Speaker 1: or something like that, and was seemed nuts.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: There was also a report that his dad slapped him
Speaker 1: across the face in front of like everybody at school
Speaker 1: one time. So Omar Matin meets his second wife very
Speaker 1: quickly after his divorce in twenty eleven.
Speaker 4: Her name is nor Zahi Salmon.
Speaker 1: On a online dating app called Arab Lounge, and even
Speaker 1: though she wasn't religious and he was you could say
Speaker 1: unhealthily religious, she was obsessed with him.
Speaker 4: She was like, this guy is the whole thing. This
Speaker 4: is what I want.
Speaker 1: They married quickly the same year, and then Selman said
Speaker 1: that six months into their marriage, Mattine became physically and
Speaker 1: verbally abusive. So like the beginning, he's like this nice guy.
Speaker 1: She thinks everything's great, she thinks he's perfect, and then
Speaker 1: six months in he starts being horrible. He would call
Speaker 1: her a whore in Arabic if she did anything he
Speaker 1: didn't like in public. He pulled her hair, punched her
Speaker 1: shoulders so hard it left a bruise. Once, while she
Speaker 1: was pregnant, he choked her, threatened to kill her.
Speaker 4: And he never ever apologized.
Speaker 1: For anything whenever he would hurt her, Like it wasn't
Speaker 1: like the cycle of like, oh, I'm sorry and then.
Speaker 4: Come back like he just was like fully abusing her.
Speaker 1: He taunted her being like you can't leave me because
Speaker 1: I'll get our son, which is a little bit like
Speaker 1: I think in the episode, and like there's no proof
Speaker 1: that I abused you, so I'll get him, you know,
Speaker 1: And then you have no money, you have no job,
Speaker 1: like I support you guys, so like I'm going to
Speaker 1: get our son. So In the weeks leading up to
Speaker 1: the attack, though Salman said things had improved. Mattine had
Speaker 1: gotten into a police training program, of course, and had
Speaker 1: bought her gifts to celebrate. He had stopped hitting her,
Speaker 1: and just hours before the attack, he had given her
Speaker 1: like a thousand dollars to take their three year old
Speaker 1: son to visit her family in Rodeo, California, where she
Speaker 1: grew up, and he told her, oh, like, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be home for dinner that night. I have
Speaker 1: to see a friend, and he kissed her out the
Speaker 1: son and he did not see a friend. He had
Speaker 1: still drove two hours to Orlando to the Pulse nightclub,
Speaker 1: and around two am on June sixteenth, he entered Pulse
Speaker 1: Nightclub and began shooting, using two guns, a sig Sour
Speaker 1: Sig MCX semi automatic rifle and a nine millimeter Glock
Speaker 1: seventeen handgun, both of which he purchased completely legally two
Speaker 1: weeks before the shooting, and he had no record in
Speaker 1: the state of Florida, so twenty minutes later he called
Speaker 1: nine one one and pledged allegiance to the Islamic State.
Speaker 1: He mentioned the Sarnev brothers who were responsible for the
Speaker 1: Boston bombing, the Boston Marathon bombing, as well as a
Speaker 1: suicide bomber that he apparently was an acquaintance of his
Speaker 1: in Syria. He made two other nine to one one
Speaker 1: calls and also called a local Orlando news channel and
Speaker 1: said he was the shooter and told them that he
Speaker 1: had committed these crimes for the Islamic State and allegedly
Speaker 1: he fired one hundred and ten rounds. So and before
Speaker 1: the Las Vegas shooting, I think this was the deadliest
Speaker 1: mass shooting that we had had in the US. When
Speaker 1: police arrived, Mattein took hostages. Eventually he exchanged gunfire with
Speaker 1: the police. That was in his death around five fifteen am.
Speaker 1: So you have to think this is like a standoff
Speaker 1: that's going on for like three hours. Like he's in
Speaker 1: there and people are killed, a bunch of people and
Speaker 1: people are in there, I know, like so horrific, so horrific,
Speaker 1: Like this one really like, oh, I remember it so
Speaker 1: well when it happened.
Speaker 2: He remember it because I remember when it happened, I
Speaker 2: remember all the talks about it. I remember being sad
Speaker 2: about it, But then I also remember watching the queens
Speaker 2: on Drag Race talk about it and be connected to it,
Speaker 2: and there was Orlando queens people were there. One like
Speaker 2: I forgot one queen was supposed to perform that night
Speaker 2: but didn't, and that friend got.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like and especially.
Speaker 2: You know, I think about the gay community and how
Speaker 2: much of that is like chosen family and like right
Speaker 2: down in other places and being able to be in
Speaker 2: this like safe space.
Speaker 4: It's just like really sad. It's so sad.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: There were also rumors, I think he gets substantiated that
Speaker 1: he had actually gone to Pulse a couple times and
Speaker 1: he would drink there and he would get really drunk
Speaker 1: sometimes and start yelling or whatever, but he would just
Speaker 1: go there sometimes and sit quietly and drink. Like he
Speaker 1: wasn't going in there ranting and being like you know,
Speaker 1: you guys are sinners or anything. That means he would
Speaker 1: drive two hours to go do that.
Speaker 2: So was he planning all this time or he was closeted,
Speaker 2: you know, and like, well that's that thing.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of rumor that he was closeted,
Speaker 1: but apparently like none of that is substantiated. Like there's
Speaker 1: rumors that he had gay apps on his phone that
Speaker 1: was like ending up being cleared by the FBI. There
Speaker 1: was rumors that he had some guy came forward and said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we hooked up, but that was never confirmed. Like it
Speaker 1: just was like it was never confirmed the whole rumor
Speaker 1: that he was a closeted gay man. There was some
Speaker 1: conversation that he had with his wife where apparently they
Speaker 1: went to Disney at one point and he said, what
Speaker 1: do you think people would be more upset about, like
Speaker 1: a shooting at Disney or shooting at a gay club.
Speaker 4: But again it's like the police thought.
Speaker 1: A lot of what the wife was saying was truthful
Speaker 1: as well, So we'll.
Speaker 4: Get to some of that.
Speaker 1: But he killed ended up killing forty nine people and
Speaker 1: seriously injuring fifty three. And the night of the attack,
Speaker 1: his wife, Selmon, wrote a Father's Day card to him,
Speaker 1: which you can see online. It's wild. It's like from
Speaker 1: their son, It's like, daddy, I love you so much.
Speaker 1: And then she went to sleep and then at four
Speaker 1: am she gets a call from her husband's mother looking
Speaker 1: for him. I don't know why this is happening. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know why she already the mom already if
Speaker 1: the mom already knows what's up, but like her mother
Speaker 1: in law calls, so Salmon tries to sell and gets nothing.
Speaker 1: She eventually got a text from him going did you
Speaker 1: see what happened? And she said no, I haven't. And
Speaker 1: then the final text she got from him said I
Speaker 1: love you, babe, And the FBI later told her that
Speaker 1: her husband, you know, died in this shootout after committing
Speaker 1: a mass murder. Salmon became a person of interest in
Speaker 1: association with this horrific attack and was questioned by the
Speaker 1: FBI four hours. So this is why I kind of
Speaker 1: think the episode is based a little bit more on
Speaker 1: like their dynamic. Authorities believed she knew about his plan,
Speaker 1: but they couldn't make an arrest based solely on their suspicion,
Speaker 1: and she denied any involvement in the attack or knowledge
Speaker 1: of her husband's plans. She said she knew he'd been
Speaker 1: watching like Islamic state propaganda, but she figured since the
Speaker 1: FBI had investigated him in twenty thirteen and cleared him
Speaker 1: because he had told coworkers, I'm in Hesbola, I have
Speaker 1: ties to al Kada. They obviously in investigated him, but
Speaker 1: they found out that he was just fucking lying and
Speaker 1: like none of it was substantiated, and so well, I guess,
Speaker 1: she thought, I guess my husband's not doing anything wrong.
Speaker 4: The FBI cleared him.
Speaker 1: So a year before the attack, in April twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: matteen took someone and their son to Disney World, and
Speaker 1: they thought authorities thought that he might have been scouting
Speaker 1: the location as a target and may have even dropped
Speaker 1: hints to his wife about his plan, but her lawyers
Speaker 1: would not allow her to talk about what he said
Speaker 1: to her at Disney. So she had also gone with
Speaker 1: her husband to buy ammunition at Walmart, but she didn't
Speaker 1: think this was suspicious. He was a security guard who
Speaker 1: often went to the gun range he worked in security,
Speaker 1: and so when she and her husband and her son
Speaker 1: went with Matene to Orlando in the months before the shooting,
Speaker 1: she claimed she had no idea that he was kind
Speaker 1: of like casing pulse, like he was checking it out.
Speaker 4: But when they were.
Speaker 1: Interviewing her, she allegedly made a lot of misleading statements
Speaker 1: to the FBI, but her lawyers argued that the police
Speaker 1: interrogated her for eleven hours, and so she eventually just
Speaker 1: initialed on the dotted line, like went along with their
Speaker 1: narrative because they had exhausted her with their interrogation techniques.
Speaker 4: So six months.
Speaker 1: After the massacre, now it's January of twenty seventeen, she
Speaker 1: is arrested and charged with obstruction of justice and with
Speaker 1: aiding and abetting Mateen's attempted provision and provision of materials
Speaker 1: support to ISIS so on. But on March thirtieth of
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, so almost over a year later, and Orlando
Speaker 1: Jerry finds her not guilty as the prosecution had not
Speaker 1: met its burden of proof.
Speaker 4: They had no evidence that she was involved.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like it's a little bit of
Speaker 1: San Bernardino mixed with this where because she wasn't at
Speaker 1: the actual attack, she was cleared, but because this guy
Speaker 1: dragged in the episode, this guy dragged his wife along,
Speaker 1: she's completely implicated now. So that's that another reference is obviously,
Speaker 1: as we talked about Sam Bernardino, that actually took place
Speaker 1: six months earlier. That's why SVU is making an episode
Speaker 1: about this, Like these attacks were coming bump up up uppa,
Speaker 1: like one after another. Yeah, I don't know, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know why people thought Donald Trump was going to
Speaker 1: be the person to take care of all that. But
Speaker 1: the terrorist attack in San Bernardino took place on December
Speaker 1: second of twenty fifteen when Sayed Risjuan Faruke and tash
Speaker 1: Fiene Malik, a married couple, opened fire on a Christmas
Speaker 1: party at the County Department of Health at the Inland
Speaker 1: Regional Center in San Bernardino, California. And if you know
Speaker 1: anything about California, the regional centers in California, Like regional
Speaker 1: centers are for children and people with disabilities. Like it's
Speaker 1: for like if your child has like a learning disability
Speaker 1: or any kind of physical disability, they go to the
Speaker 1: regional center for therapy.
Speaker 4: They go to the regional center to work with people.
Speaker 1: Like this is a place where like people are being helped,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's almost it's like
Speaker 1: it's like you're not shooting up a congressman's office. You're
Speaker 1: not going somewhere where like the things are being or
Speaker 1: even a church where like you disagree with the religion,
Speaker 1: Like you're going to these places where like people are
Speaker 1: getting help or people are finding family and enjoy, you know,
Speaker 1: like like pulse.
Speaker 2: It's like so that the you know, can we ever
Speaker 2: get their motivation for this.
Speaker 4: The lamb Reginoa.
Speaker 1: Honestly like why, that's why they're He worked for the
Speaker 1: He worked for the Department of Health, so I think
Speaker 1: he kind of just like did like a work shooting.
Speaker 1: He worked like he was like a health inspector while
Speaker 1: and like everybody described him as like a nice guy.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what he was doing with his
Speaker 1: wife at home or whatever. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: was abusive, but everyone at worked described him as nice,
Speaker 1: whereas like Matine had been described as like a bully
Speaker 1: and a violent person for most of his life, but
Speaker 1: this guy, you know, different, different.
Speaker 4: So they busted in.
Speaker 1: They killed fourteen people, they seriously injured twenty two more.
Speaker 1: They fled the scene and were eventually killed in a
Speaker 1: shootout with police.
Speaker 4: Faruk was an American born citizen.
Speaker 1: Malik was a Pakistani born a Green card holder, so
Speaker 1: similar to the couple in the episode where you Know
Speaker 1: one's American born, one is you know from an immigrant
Speaker 1: from another country. The couple destroyed their personal phones, but
Speaker 1: the FBI was able to find Faruk's work phone because
Speaker 1: he worked for the Department of Health. It's like a
Speaker 1: government phone, and they found his Apple iPhone five C.
Speaker 4: Wow, doesn't that feel like so many versions ago?
Speaker 1: However, they could not unlock the four digit password, and
Speaker 1: all the day would automatically delete after ten failed password attempts,
Speaker 1: which I could never have on my phone because my
Speaker 1: kids are always trying to get into it, and I
Speaker 1: would just have all my data deleted every week. But
Speaker 1: the FBI, in this famous you know, FBI versus Apple situation,
Speaker 1: they wanted Apple to create and electronically sign new software
Speaker 1: that would enable the FBI to unlock the phone.
Speaker 4: So in twenty fifteen and.
Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen, Apple received and objected to or challenged at
Speaker 1: least eleven orders issued by US district courts under the
Speaker 1: All Rits Act of seventy eight of seventeen eighty nine,
Speaker 1: which Barbara does mention in the.
Speaker 4: Episode I believe all has it reminded me of a cracker?
Speaker 1: Yes, I thought it was Rits too, but it's all
Speaker 1: different word Ritz Wriits Act of seventeen eighty nine, which
Speaker 1: empowers federal courts to issue quote all writs necessary or
Speaker 1: appropriate in aid of their respective jurisdictions and agreeable to
Speaker 1: the use and principles of law end quote. So basically
Speaker 1: this is this like ancient fucking two hundred year old
Speaker 1: plus law that basically says that the courts can do
Speaker 1: anything they need to, like aid in their case right,
Speaker 1: they could do anything they need as long as it's
Speaker 1: like kind of agreeable with law. But it's like they
Speaker 1: could have never known about phones or like the privacy
Speaker 1: issues that we encounter today. So basically, the FBI wanted
Speaker 1: Apple to quote to use its existing capabilities to extract
Speaker 1: data like contact photos and calls from locked iPhones running
Speaker 1: on operating systems iOS seven and older end quote to
Speaker 1: help them in their criminal investigations and prosecutions. And then
Speaker 1: a few requests involved phones with more extensive security protections.
Speaker 1: The most famous is which San Bernardino, which is like
Speaker 1: these this ten password attempts before the deletion, right, and
Speaker 1: Apple has no ability to break that. They don't like,
Speaker 1: you can't just give them the phone and say open it.
Speaker 1: They have to write new software to be able to
Speaker 1: open it. And they're like, we're not going to do that.
Speaker 2: My thing is, it's like I don't want the government
Speaker 2: to have control over that. But I don't want a
Speaker 2: company to you know, if fucking musk locking and unlocking
Speaker 2: shit and doing whatever you want.
Speaker 4: To do anything want? Yeah, what do we do?
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to have access to anything? But
Speaker 2: they have, yeah, both, and they could truly decide. Like
Speaker 2: if the company said fine, we'll do it, that would.
Speaker 4: Have been it. Yeah yeah, and like what we would
Speaker 4: all stop using iPhones? No?
Speaker 1: No, Well, and the orders basically made Apple write this
Speaker 1: new software that would let the government bypass these devices
Speaker 1: security and unlock the phones. But like just in this case,
Speaker 1: or does now the government have that software like and
Speaker 1: they can just put it on any phone they want.
Speaker 1: That's I think maybe was some of the issue as well.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it wasn't quite the same as there's
Speaker 1: someone at large and we need to get into their
Speaker 1: phone because there's someone you know, like there could be
Speaker 1: more plans in place and we need to get to them.
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of what Barbo's arguing in the episode,
Speaker 1: is like we could stop an attack from happening, But.
Speaker 2: What's the call, Like, if you're willing to give up
Speaker 2: liberty for or freedoms for security, you'll have neither yeah,
Speaker 2: has that Ben Franklin, Who is that?
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just make it up. It's Lee's
Speaker 4: a trigger to me. I don't know. No, that's definitely
Speaker 4: not it.
Speaker 2: I feel like an obnoxious boy in school said that
Speaker 2: once and it's so.
Speaker 4: And he is one of Elon Musk's teens.
Speaker 2: Now, well that's isn't that the whole thing of Handmaiden's
Speaker 2: Tale where they convinced you like, oh, we just need
Speaker 2: to pause the Constitution.
Speaker 4: That's like the trailer.
Speaker 2: Now we didn't think it'd be forever, but it's like,
Speaker 2: if you're willing to give up liberty or freedom for security,
Speaker 2: you'll end up with none of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But if someone's being abused, like yeah, get in there,
Speaker 2: it's like so tough, it's so tough.
Speaker 4: Yes, my rules are tough. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Because you'd think that they could do it like
Speaker 1: case by case basis, like sure, we'll break this phone
Speaker 1: if it's like to like someone with plans to hijack
Speaker 1: a plane or do something crazy, you know, But in
Speaker 1: this case it was like they were trying to find
Speaker 1: Old it was his work phone and he was dead.
Speaker 4: And in this case.
Speaker 1: When the order compelled Apple to do it, Apple declined
Speaker 1: to create the software, and then a hearing was scheduled. However,
Speaker 1: a day before the hearing was supposed to happen, the
Speaker 1: government obtained a delay, saying it had found a third
Speaker 1: party able to assist in unlocking the phone. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's like, but they found like a hacker,
Speaker 1: like I don't know. And then the government claimed that
Speaker 1: the FBI had unlocked the iPhone and withdrew its requests.
Speaker 1: So the whole thing kind of like went away.
Speaker 4: I have no idea about. The La Times reported that quote.
Speaker 1: The FBI eventually found that Fruke's phone had information only
Speaker 1: about work and he and it revealed nothing about the
Speaker 1: plot end quote.
Speaker 4: So that's what the La Times reported. So and it's
Speaker 4: what my quote is.
Speaker 2: And you get nothing, you give up your you know,
Speaker 2: you let them whirl around.
Speaker 4: They're not finding anything. Yeah, got nothing, yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean this.
Speaker 1: They were also talking about how they this episode was
Speaker 1: based on like the Sarna Brothers from but from uh,
Speaker 1: the Boston Marathon and other guys that have killed people
Speaker 1: in terrorist attacks in the name of ISIS and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But I didn't really feel like it was
Speaker 1: necessary to just like, uh, you know, tell you take
Speaker 1: you guys through twenty terrorist attacks. I feel like these
Speaker 1: two and the iPhone and the apple thing are like
Speaker 1: the most drawn from the episode, so that that's that.
Speaker 1: And you know, like unfortunately, like in my research, I
Speaker 1: don't think there was any indication that tash fiend Malik
Speaker 1: Sayed Foruk's wife was being compelled in any way. Like
Speaker 1: I think she also shot, used the gun and was
Speaker 1: also like part of it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was just exciting to have a woman involved,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 1: I will add this one other thing, sayed Farouk's mother
Speaker 1: actually pled guilt to a federal criminal charge of intending
Speaker 1: to impede a federal criminal investigation because she shredded a
Speaker 1: map that her son had made in connection with the attack.
Speaker 4: So she did plead guilty. And uh, I'm truf mo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very boy, mom, hide everything.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's like it's fucking it's dark. It's dark.
Speaker 2: But I also remember these being such a big deal,
Speaker 2: and now it's like, you know, we're almost a decade later,
Speaker 2: and well we're so used to these in a really
Speaker 2: sick way.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: But it's also like now I think, well, they're being
Speaker 1: treated different, and we're doing it so much for ourselves.
Speaker 1: Like mass shootings are now not in the name of
Speaker 1: anything religious, they're just like men doing it, you know,
Speaker 1: so well it is really I think it's it's it's
Speaker 1: if it's not a religion, it's a dog, right, or
Speaker 1: it's something you're doing it for, you know, they in
Speaker 1: cell vibes or for Trump, whatever it is, or race like,
Speaker 1: it's whatever. How many of them are just I'm going
Speaker 1: to teach people, I don't know whatever. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's just like we went for a Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: just think about Parkland and the cops just kind of chilling,
Speaker 1: not really doing anything, and of Olday listening.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, of old days what I was thinking of,
Speaker 4: not Parkland. It's hard we get them confused.
Speaker 1: There have been so many monumental mass shootings in our lifetimes.
Speaker 4: But but I like that the mom was charged.
Speaker 2: And I believe in parents being taken in when they're yeah,
Speaker 2: kids betting guns to score do anything. I think parents
Speaker 2: should be fully held responsible.
Speaker 4: M hmmm.
Speaker 1: So the mother of the shooter, also just to follow up,
Speaker 1: was sentenced to six months of home confinement and three
Speaker 1: years of probation for shredding the document and she was
Speaker 1: fined fifty five hundred dollars. It's pretty chill, to be honest,
Speaker 1: that was pretty chill. Maybe she shredded a map after
Speaker 1: it was done. It's kind of a kin to just
Speaker 1: destroying evidence, like it wouldn't have saved anybody, you know. Now,
Speaker 1: it's just destroying evidence after the fact.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: But let's get to our interview, because we actually have
Speaker 1: a great interview that's gonna cleanse your palette right up.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: Our guest today is an actor who you might know
Speaker 1: from films like The Final Cut Tape or The Laura
Speaker 1: dern Led The Tale. He's also been all over the
Speaker 1: Jick Wolf universe with roles in FBI, FBI International, in Chicago,
Speaker 1: med but you know him today as the terrorist brother
Speaker 1: in law from hell armand Sidron. Please enjoy our really
Speaker 1: lovely chat with Tarrek Bshara.
Speaker 4: Hi, so nice to meet you.
Speaker 6: Pleasure Pleasures on mine. How's it going?
Speaker 4: Hye? All right?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, are you terrorized? Are you terrorized?
Speaker 4: Or oh my god?
Speaker 1: I have this screen light paused on like you and
Speaker 1: Marushka Hargeta like like in each other's faces right now.
Speaker 4: So this is like perfect I was watching it earlier.
Speaker 5: Is like an angel on herth we don't deserve her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you've been picked to play like two
Speaker 1: pretty bad guys in two different episodes. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Terrorized, but we're obviously gonna need to
Speaker 1: talk about street Wise a little bit as well, if
Speaker 1: you're okay with that, because that's a huge episode Wise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had you had huge stunts. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't even know where to start. That was like an
Speaker 2: insane episode.
Speaker 5: I actually broke I broke a finger on that episode.
Speaker 1: On street Wise, I believe. I mean that was you
Speaker 1: running for that truck and everything and jumping.
Speaker 6: On it exactly, and they asked me to They asked
Speaker 6: for me to use the stunt double and I'm like, no,
Speaker 6: come on, I can do this, And then of course
Speaker 6: when you're actually doing it, it's like what am I thinking?
Speaker 1: How essential was the finger? I mean was it one
Speaker 1: of the ones that we use a lot or like yeah, okay, they.
Speaker 5: Just taped it up and we kept going.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Actually, me and Chris Maloney had a fight scene
Speaker 6: after that that we did after I broke my finger
Speaker 6: and they're like, do you want to stop? And I'm like,
Speaker 6: absolutely not, Let's go yeah.
Speaker 2: With a chain. Yeah, you had a lot of action.
Speaker 2: How many takes? Were you tired running? Were you ready?
Speaker 5: So here's the here's the interesting thing.
Speaker 6: I actually sat down with christ in between takes at
Speaker 6: a certain point and I was like, how do you
Speaker 6: do this like six days a week for years on end?
Speaker 5: And he was really smart.
Speaker 6: His answer was really smart, He goes it took he said,
Speaker 6: it took him about a year for his body to
Speaker 6: get used to that amount, that volume of work, the lines,
Speaker 6: the action, all those things. It took him a year
Speaker 6: to really his body to acclimate to that because they
Speaker 6: work so hard, those guys. I mean, it's like, ah,
Speaker 6: it's really, it's really it's a really endurance game. I
Speaker 6: think at a certain.
Speaker 4: Point, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: And then iced teasing advice is always don't stand if
Speaker 1: you can sit down, don't sit down if you can
Speaker 1: lie down. So you know, and if you watch this
Speaker 1: show you see it in an action, you see a leaning,
Speaker 1: it's like an amazingly and you also for street Wise,
Speaker 1: there was eyeliner, there was dirt, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of fashion.
Speaker 2: There was like chain belts. Do you remember the process.
Speaker 4: Tattoo?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, you know, as actors, we love all this stuff.
Speaker 6: But my friends refer to that episode as the eyeliner episode. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm like, it's fun. I mean, you know, you get
Speaker 6: to do things as characters like that that you you know,
Speaker 6: most people normally I don't do and except for Halloween
Speaker 6: maybe and stuff like that. But all that stuff was
Speaker 6: so fun because it gives you half the performance. You know,
Speaker 6: those touches, the costumes and all those kinds of things,
Speaker 6: the chain, all those things. You kind of walk around
Speaker 6: then with a different kind of like weight in a way,
Speaker 6: it's like it's a little bit more of a swagger,
Speaker 6: a little bit more of like fu, you know, versus
Speaker 6: like hello. You know, it's very different.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also wild that you were like just like
Speaker 2: such an agro person living on the streets but made
Speaker 2: sure to have your eyeliner.
Speaker 4: That was a priority for you and your family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, You're out there killing kids and then being like,
Speaker 1: let me just make sure I've got a smoky cat eye.
Speaker 6: Both of those characters are so effing evil. It's like no,
Speaker 6: but you know, you know, Jonathan Strauss, the casting director
Speaker 6: is like, he's a friend, a friend, he's become a friend.
Speaker 6: I met him when he was an assistant at Todd
Speaker 6: Dayler's office, and he was so generously put me in
Speaker 6: both of these shows. I've actually done I think five
Speaker 6: Dick Wolf shows at this point, and.
Speaker 5: He knows me really well.
Speaker 6: You I'm the opposite of both of those characters. But
Speaker 6: as an actor, I really like exploring the shadow side
Speaker 6: like that because it's like this safe space where you
Speaker 6: can go lose it and then it's caught and it's
Speaker 6: like all right, let's go have dinner.
Speaker 2: Oh y, yeah, because you lose it in the courtroom too.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In that episode, you really have gotten all the Bingo
Speaker 2: cards and you got to like, I mean yeah, going
Speaker 2: in between episodes because you also that arrests and Terrorized
Speaker 2: is like a lot of action and flipping out too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's really fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of that's on the Bengo card too.
Speaker 1: Is like you have to get within inch within kissing
Speaker 1: distance really of one of the stars, and Marishka is
Speaker 1: like really in your face in this one, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so Mariska.
Speaker 6: So that was that episode and then the first one
Speaker 6: with Maloney, he also is like right here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: he's a close talker, but he but he was really
Speaker 6: smart with me. You know, both of them are so
Speaker 6: seasoned that when guest actors come on, at least my
Speaker 6: experience of them is like they kind of really in
Speaker 6: a way take them under the wing a little bit.
Speaker 6: So for me with that scene with Maloney where he's
Speaker 6: in my face, there was certain takes where I was like,
Speaker 6: he was right there and my character was like very
Speaker 6: much like intimidated by him for a second, and I
Speaker 6: would look away, but that was the actor looking away,
Speaker 6: not the character looking away. So Maloney's like, don't look away.
Speaker 6: He wouldn't look away, and I was like, you're one
Speaker 6: hundred percent right, and so it completely changed that moment
Speaker 6: of that focus of like I'm going eye to eye
Speaker 6: with you and I'm not looking away kind of thing.
Speaker 5: It was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he could out run Stabler. He thought
Speaker 1: he could choke him with a chain. He was really
Speaker 1: trying to get him.
Speaker 2: Well, you seem like you're you have a lot of
Speaker 2: fun playing these two really evil guys. Is there any
Speaker 2: kind of like what's your process or is it as
Speaker 2: relaxed as how we're talking about it or does it
Speaker 2: like take you know, do you have to get get evil?
Speaker 6: So I usually to get into that particular space is
Speaker 6: finding something that I would fight for. So it's almost
Speaker 6: like the opposite. It's not like i'd imagine like wanting
Speaker 6: to directly hurt someone. It's getting to the place of
Speaker 6: like what am I true, what would I life and
Speaker 6: death situation fight for? And then apply that feeling and
Speaker 6: emotion to my imagination of what the character circumstance. So
Speaker 6: I'm not like acting outside the circumstance. I'm in the circumstance.
Speaker 6: But to get to that energy and to that place
Speaker 6: of like, you know, either quote I'm gonna kill you
Speaker 6: or I'm gonna get you or whatever, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm fighting to defend something I really care about, right,
Speaker 6: So if if I don't get you, you're gonna get
Speaker 6: me or you're gonna get my family. So it's this
Speaker 6: weird kind of actor trick that they use for just
Speaker 6: getting into circumstance. And then once you're in the circumstance,
Speaker 6: of course, you use your imagination to be where the
Speaker 6: character is in the courtroom in the interrogation where.
Speaker 2: All right, and then do you have any like tidbits
Speaker 2: stories that our listeners would like.
Speaker 4: The inside scoop.
Speaker 6: Hmmm, what's the inside scoop? I will say that.
Speaker 5: I will say a couple of things.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, when we shot Terrorized, that the
Speaker 6: moment when they take me out in handcuffs at kind
Speaker 6: of towards the end of the episode and I kind
Speaker 6: of lean in towards Mariska. That scene was really interesting
Speaker 6: because we shot it on the street, and everyone in
Speaker 6: New York knows who Mariska.
Speaker 5: Everyone in the world knows.
Speaker 6: Who she is. But on the street, people would stop
Speaker 6: and kind of like form a circle behind the camera,
Speaker 6: and people would really kind of be like like Mariska Mariska.
Speaker 6: And what I loved is that she was so generous
Speaker 6: with everybody. She always was acknowledging, always talking to people,
Speaker 6: just treating peo people with respect. So, I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't know if that's juicy tidbit, but that's that's.
Speaker 5: The experience I had with her.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you know, I wanted to tell you interestingly,
Speaker 6: So I wasn't supposed to do Terrorized. I wasn't supposed
Speaker 6: to actually get that. What happened was is that I
Speaker 6: auditioned for the first one with May Whitman, and I
Speaker 6: think that they had an actor already in for Terrorized
Speaker 6: that didn't work out for some reason or another, I
Speaker 6: don't know why. And so my agent calls me and
Speaker 6: she's like, you know, I just got an offer that
Speaker 6: came through for SVU And I'm like, are you sure,
Speaker 6: I've already done the show and she was like yeah,
Speaker 6: and they want you to leave tomorrow and I'm like okay.
Speaker 6: So then I get the script.
Speaker 5: I'm like, gosh, this guy is a nightmare. This is
Speaker 5: going to be let's go.
Speaker 4: That's awesome. Well I was.
Speaker 1: I was obviously like googling you, and I found a
Speaker 1: bunch of articles where you're talking about how like when
Speaker 1: you first started out as an actor, you're you went
Speaker 1: under a different name, right, You went under Tom Bishops,
Speaker 1: And that's what when you did this role, you were
Speaker 1: under or at least street Wise And I think even
Speaker 1: for this one, you hadn't changed yet back to your
Speaker 1: original name, which, right, your given name, which is Taric. Right. So,
Speaker 1: and you talked a little bit about it, like how
Speaker 1: casting directors told you, like change your name back in
Speaker 1: the day, right.
Speaker 6: Well, you mean to Tom Bishops Yeah, So here's the deal. Like,
Speaker 6: you know, my my family are Arabs, were I'm Arab American,
Speaker 6: first generation born in Brooklyn, and you know, I had
Speaker 6: just started acting professionally post nine to eleven and at
Speaker 6: you know, every role after that for any Arab acter
Speaker 6: was a terrorist role or a horrible, horrible human being
Speaker 6: that was one dimensional, and I just didn't want to
Speaker 6: play that. I just felt like I was capable of
Speaker 6: more than that. I didn't like that, I didn't want
Speaker 6: to represent that, and so I changed to Tom Bishops
Speaker 6: and I worked a lot, like I did. I did
Speaker 6: a lot of a pretty incredible work as Tom Bishops.
Speaker 6: And then after a certain point, I thought to myself,
Speaker 6: you know, this has started to feel inauthentic for me personally.
Speaker 6: I think that a lot of people change their name
Speaker 6: for different reasons and it works for them and they
Speaker 6: feel completely fine about it. But for me, it was
Speaker 6: and I don't regret it, but it was a fear
Speaker 6: based decision. It was like, how am I going to
Speaker 6: get through this business being constantly stereotyped or politicized? And
Speaker 6: then you win, I was like, I just don't want
Speaker 6: to I'm an artist, I'm an actor. I just want
Speaker 6: to do my work. And so a couple of years
Speaker 6: ago I just changed it back and it was like
Speaker 6: people didn't know what, you know.
Speaker 5: I was told that it's not going to be the
Speaker 5: best move.
Speaker 6: You're already kind of you know, semi established in this
Speaker 6: you have press and this and then whatever. And I
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, but I just have to do this.
Speaker 6: So I changed it back to Tarak Bishara. I didn't
Speaker 6: work for like a year and a half after that,
Speaker 6: and I wasn't sure whether it was like people were
Speaker 6: catching up with the fact that Tom Bishops is now
Speaker 6: my assistant and now I'm Tarak Pishara because I still
Speaker 6: have Tom Bishop's emails. I do that as like, you know,
Speaker 6: send it to Tom Bishops.
Speaker 5: Pretty funny. But eventually, you know, all sorts.
Speaker 6: Out and and uh, I think it was the better
Speaker 6: decision to change it back. And I don't regret anything.
Speaker 6: I mean, it was a learning process. I was young,
Speaker 6: you know, you learn a lot in the game perspective, and.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, it's totally understandable, especially like at the
Speaker 1: time period that you were entering the acting world.
Speaker 4: For sure, you know, how did you come up with
Speaker 4: the name.
Speaker 6: Okay so here? So here's what It's really funny. So
Speaker 6: mind you, back in the day, Tom Cruise was like
Speaker 6: my I mean, I still think he's really talented, but
Speaker 6: he was like my absolute idol. Back in the day.
Speaker 6: I was like this guy, how do you do all this?
Speaker 6: So that was like, all right, Tom, I was going
Speaker 6: to do tom Bishar and tom Bishar was taken. So
Speaker 6: then I changed it to thhom Bishara.
Speaker 5: That was taken, and so.
Speaker 6: Then then I was like, all right, we're going full bishops.
Speaker 6: So it was thho on bishops this evolution. I signed
Speaker 6: up with SEG and that was the end of it.
Speaker 4: Is it still your sad Carter?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: They?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: No, I switched everything everything.
Speaker 1: And now it's like Google knows you can look up
Speaker 1: both names and it's always you like both pop up,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's like Google knows someone's changed their name.
Speaker 4: Was it weird? Do people call you Tom that met
Speaker 4: you during that time?
Speaker 6: Yeah? And it's really funny because I still have some
Speaker 6: friends that I don't see very often and they're like
Speaker 6: hey Tom, and I'm like I kind of like who,
Speaker 6: Like I almost forget sometimes and then they're like, oh
Speaker 6: my god, Tark and I'm like, yeah, it's all good.
Speaker 6: I get it. I mean, you know, it was for
Speaker 6: that period of time. I would coach my friends when
Speaker 6: we go out in LA and stuff, and I'd be like,
Speaker 6: remember Tom, not Tark. And then I look back on that,
Speaker 6: I'm like, what was I think? You know, but that's
Speaker 6: where I was at that moment, So let it be.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, no, I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: totally understandable.
Speaker 4: But I also think it's cool that you change back.
Speaker 4: You're like, now you know this is me.
Speaker 6: I think also, you know, part of representing is really
Speaker 6: important to me. And and you know, you know, we're
Speaker 6: all complex, layered human beings, and I think that that
Speaker 6: should be represented on screen, you know, across the board.
Speaker 6: You know, you know, no matter what culture you come from,
Speaker 6: there's going to be fantastic, incredible, wonderful people and some
Speaker 6: weirdo marginal characters that that really kind of end up
Speaker 6: making it into the zeitgeist on film and TV more
Speaker 6: than the others. And so like, you know, now I'm
Speaker 6: developing a bunch of projects as a writer as well
Speaker 6: as an actor where you know, I kind of allow
Speaker 6: there to be an expansive representation of any kind of character.
Speaker 6: So it's not like good or bad or one of
Speaker 6: the other kind of things.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, and now we've had so many like there's just
Speaker 1: there was like kind of a golden age of like
Speaker 1: bad good people, you know, like Walter White, Nurse Jackie,
Speaker 1: like all these people that are you know, everyone contains multitudes.
Speaker 6: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to know about your time with Laura
Speaker 2: Dern on the set of Tale.
Speaker 5: An incredible, incredible actress.
Speaker 6: So that film was produced by a couple of friends
Speaker 6: of mine, Laura and Rain Moherman and Lauren Singuly. And
Speaker 6: you know, it was a really intense story Jennifer Fox.
Speaker 6: It's her actually real life story, the director's story and writer.
Speaker 6: And so I came in an audition like everybody else,
Speaker 6: and they ended up giving me a part playing someone that.
Speaker 5: Helped Laura find the truth about what really happened.
Speaker 6: And I remember one day when we were shooting, Laura
Speaker 6: has this really interesting thing where we start the conversation
Speaker 6: before they yell action.
Speaker 5: I really love that and I still use that to
Speaker 5: this day.
Speaker 6: So it's you know, we were The stuff we did
Speaker 6: together was extremely conversational, intimate conversations, and so we would
Speaker 6: start the conversation about you know, a minute before they
Speaker 6: yelled action or thirty seconds whatever it was, and so
Speaker 6: that way, when they yieled action, we were mid conversation,
Speaker 6: just two people sitting in there talking. And that's like
Speaker 6: one of the my favorite things as an actor to
Speaker 6: do is you capture these super intimate moments between people
Speaker 6: where you know, I mean, I think, you know, actors
Speaker 6: always have to be a little bit crazy to ignore
Speaker 6: all that that's going on behind them and just focus
Speaker 6: on what's happening there. And that was one of those
Speaker 6: moments where I'm like, you know, you learn so much
Speaker 6: from people that are that, you know, talented, and they're
Speaker 6: that successful for reason. So I just kind of took
Speaker 6: those lessons. I kind of try to take lessons. Like
Speaker 6: I did a film with Robin Williams. I learned a
Speaker 6: hundred things from them. I did a film with Richard
Speaker 6: gear I learned another hundred things from him. So you
Speaker 6: kind of like pick up what they're doing. I love
Speaker 6: to watch so when I'm not in scenes, I'll be
Speaker 6: behind the camera and I'm like, what are they doing?
Speaker 5: How are they doing that?
Speaker 6: You know, Like I'm always so curious to how they
Speaker 6: get there and how they maintain the emotion overtakes over scenes,
Speaker 6: how they maintain emotional arcs and anyway I'm talking, Oh,
Speaker 6: well I like that.
Speaker 4: You're always looking for lessons. I'm into that.
Speaker 2: Well, any it doesn't matter from who they came from,
Speaker 2: any any that have like stuck with you for a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 4: It seems like you carry a lot.
Speaker 6: But well, I will tell you one lesson that was great.
Speaker 6: It was a Robin lesson that was my first feature,
Speaker 6: is called The Final Cut. And you know, I was
Speaker 6: like twenty four years old and extremely green, and I
Speaker 6: got I think I got pretty lucky. I mean I
Speaker 6: really do. And so I got to set and well
Speaker 6: two things. One, Robin knew everyone on the sets name
Speaker 6: on the second day, Like I'm talking every grip, every pa,
Speaker 6: every single person addressed them by name. Total respect. And
Speaker 6: so for me from that moment, you know, as you
Speaker 6: as you grow up a little bit on sets, you realize,
Speaker 6: like you know, like people have this perception like actors
Speaker 6: are like you know, like run run things. They absolutely
Speaker 6: do not. The crew is the king and they deserve
Speaker 6: to be because they work harder. They're there before you,
Speaker 6: and they're there after you, and they continue working after
Speaker 6: you leave you and you wrap out your characters.
Speaker 5: So the respect he had for that for the crew
Speaker 5: was something I really I really learned. The other thing was.
Speaker 6: You know, Robin was such a genius that we will
Speaker 6: our film was a drama, and so he would between
Speaker 6: takes start doing Gollum. That's when Lord of the Rings
Speaker 6: was like. So he would do Gollum from Lord of
Speaker 6: the Rings as an actor and entertain the entire set.
Speaker 6: And so there was certain points where I would just
Speaker 6: kind of sit there and be entertained and be like,
Speaker 6: I can't believe Robin Williams is like basically doing a
Speaker 6: set for us on set right now.
Speaker 5: And then the director would be like, okay, guys, let's go.
Speaker 6: And then I'd be like, wait a minute, I'm not ready,
Speaker 6: and he would just snap into character in two seconds and.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what on earth is going on? How did
Speaker 5: they do that?
Speaker 6: And years over years I learned and I asked him
Speaker 6: about this, is that he keeps the character at a
Speaker 6: simmer of about seventy percent no matter what he's doing
Speaker 6: on the outside, he still has the character kind of
Speaker 6: like going. And so when he's done with whatever he's
Speaker 6: doing between between setups, he can just fire it right
Speaker 6: back up, and that's obviously skilled. That's obviously experience and
Speaker 6: a kind of relaxed actor, you know, where you can
Speaker 6: just kind of have availability to all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: So those were two lessons I learned from him.
Speaker 4: A light simmer. I want to see this movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's really good.
Speaker 6: I really do. I just wish I had the shot
Speaker 6: to do the same work. Now, you know, years and
Speaker 6: years later, you've learned so much that you're like, I
Speaker 6: couldn't have had a monologue with Robin Williams, like now,
Speaker 6: like I wish, I wish you could do it now,
Speaker 6: you know. But but anyway, you know, you learn your
Speaker 6: lessons and you move on.
Speaker 2: It's also just amazing that you got to work with
Speaker 2: someone like that.
Speaker 5: You know, a religion utter disbelief, utterelief.
Speaker 4: It comes early on. That's so that is great.
Speaker 6: My dad was like, you know, back in those days,
Speaker 6: he's like, you know, I had gone to NYU, I
Speaker 6: major in economics, and then I'm like I'm going to
Speaker 6: become an actor, see you, you know, and they're like, wait,
Speaker 6: what you know? So I got that role six months
Speaker 6: after landing in LA with no agent and no manager
Speaker 6: and it was through. So that was I mean, it
Speaker 6: was crazy. I really didn't think I knew how to
Speaker 6: act and so so then when the film came out,
Speaker 6: I sent my parents to the theater and then my
Speaker 6: dad calls me on the way back and he goes, Okay,
Speaker 6: I get it, and.
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, great.
Speaker 6: So I had to do a movie with like one
Speaker 6: of the biggest stars and legends of all time for
Speaker 6: you to get it.
Speaker 4: Okay, good thing, good thing, you got it.
Speaker 1: Your parents would still today be like what's happening and
Speaker 1: go back into econ.
Speaker 6: Yes, very much, so very much.
Speaker 2: Are you still is economics still a passion of yours?
Speaker 6: No, the economy, it's absolutely, But I mean these days
Speaker 6: you kind of have to be a little bit of
Speaker 6: an expert or else you lose your shirt. But no,
Speaker 6: So what I do now, kind of on the side
Speaker 6: for fun, which I'm really passionate about, is I ghost
Speaker 6: write my mother's cookbooks. Oh yeah, she's got a restaurant
Speaker 6: in Brooklyn, her and my sister.
Speaker 4: That's like what restaurant.
Speaker 6: It's called Tannerine's Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. So it's like Michelin
Speaker 6: and James Beard. No, she just cooked with Daniel Boulay
Speaker 6: the other night. Oh my god, for Jacques pa Pen's
Speaker 6: ninetieth birthday. So we have three cookbooks that I kind
Speaker 6: of go through. I didn't kind of. I go short
Speaker 6: all three of them with her. And you never want
Speaker 6: to know how much I know about pomegranates and chickpeas.
Speaker 5: I mean the amount I had to do research.
Speaker 4: Was nuts Tannerine Middle Eastern food. Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, cool.
Speaker 4: That's great. You're ghostwriting the that's great.
Speaker 5: Amazing to stay in some kind of creativity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I'm on the reservation page right now.
Speaker 1: No, I'm looking at a picture. I'm looking at a
Speaker 1: picture of your mom and your sister.
Speaker 2: There's so cute, those the pomegranate seed photos, so vibrant.
Speaker 4: Wow, this is cool. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: For our listeners, if you live somewhere else in the country,
Speaker 1: Tannerine ships on gold Belly, you can get this set
Speaker 1: to yourselves wherever you live.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh god, I want these dips.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're good, they're good.
Speaker 1: They're I like how you're both like looking up the
Speaker 1: page and we're like fully in a commercial now for
Speaker 1: the restaurant.
Speaker 4: We're like forgot about the acting. I'm ordering, well, it's exciting,
Speaker 4: you know. I'm glad to.
Speaker 6: Show Romi at the restaurant and yeah, and then they
Speaker 6: almost filmed FBI there or did they I think maybe
Speaker 6: maybe not, but they've got they filmed a couple of
Speaker 6: TV shows there, which I'm like, this is ironic. It's
Speaker 6: just weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like Rommy, you call me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, such a good guy.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 4: He is. We know him through stand up and stuff.
Speaker 4: I love him. Yeah, but I did right here.
Speaker 2: The Emoji movie, which you're in is one of my
Speaker 2: go to sleep movies.
Speaker 4: I do put that on something.
Speaker 2: It's one of my uh it's one of the you've played.
Speaker 4: You voiced two different emojis.
Speaker 6: Yes, I did.
Speaker 5: You guys did your homework for a while. I'm impressed.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, the funnest part about the Emoji
Speaker 6: movie was doing it really fun and then also the
Speaker 6: amount of parents that would approach, what would find out
Speaker 6: I don't know, Like people would tell people when the
Speaker 6: movie came out or whatever, and they would request me
Speaker 6: to like tape WhatsApp voice notes for their kids. And
Speaker 6: so I would go on like a rotation of like
Speaker 6: five six a day and just do the voices and
Speaker 6: then just send it off to send it off to
Speaker 6: people and their kids.
Speaker 4: It's fun, like what's up, it's me fist bomp like
Speaker 4: that kind of thing. That's so cute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there something you'd like to tell our audience about?
Speaker 2: You have that movie coming out?
Speaker 5: So I have a couple of things. So yeah, So
Speaker 5: hello beautiful.
Speaker 6: We just won the Golden Palm at the Beverly Hills
Speaker 6: Film Festival. It just happened their twenty fifth anniversary run
Speaker 6: like the best movie of the festival, which is great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they're gonna be figuring out the festival run
Speaker 5: for that and distribution.
Speaker 6: And then I have another film that's premiering in lu
Speaker 6: this week that I did last year. That's executive produced
Speaker 6: by Doug Lyman, who directed you know, Mister and Missus Smith.
Speaker 6: He's a legend. So that's called if You See Something,
Speaker 6: And that's been doing a festival when we were just
Speaker 6: at Woodstock with that in San Diego, and so now
Speaker 6: we're premiering in La I'm going to go to a
Speaker 6: Q and A for that this week and a screening
Speaker 6: and so those two things, and then the third thing
Speaker 6: is that Tannerine cookbook is coming out April twenty second,
Speaker 6: really proud of it. We're doing a bunch of events
Speaker 6: with you know, Tannerine just opened and Dumbo as well.
Speaker 6: They opened the location the Timeout Market, so we're doing
Speaker 6: a big party there with speakers and the whole thing.
Speaker 6: So there's other stuff, but those are like the things
Speaker 6: on the on the top of the horizon that I'm
Speaker 6: proud of.
Speaker 4: So cool, awesome, Yeah, thanks, all right, Yeah, well.
Speaker 1: Everybody will go get everyone down to those movies and
Speaker 1: buying that cookbook and go to Tannerine and order it
Speaker 1: on gold Belly.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you so much for talking to us.
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me, thank you for having much.
Speaker 2: So having all like remembering all the stories and having
Speaker 2: all the scoop.
Speaker 4: So thank you.
Speaker 6: This is a really wonderful time. You guys took me
Speaker 6: back to back to down memory shows.
Speaker 4: That was huge. That was huge for us.
Speaker 1: I love he what a sweet guy and also like
Speaker 1: a cool I love I liked hearing the trajectory of
Speaker 1: the name change, Like I totally understand why he changed
Speaker 1: his name, and I love that he changed it back
Speaker 1: when he felt like he could. You know, this episode
Speaker 1: is fucking nuts. I mean, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: there's like a I don't know if there's like a
Speaker 1: full It just it makes me sad that like we.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess the show leaves it ambiguous about how much
Speaker 1: this woman actually had to do with anything, But to me,
Speaker 1: she was in a horribly abusive relationship and had no
Speaker 1: say over anything in her life. And so it's just
Speaker 1: like so sad to me when we don't like take
Speaker 1: trauma or anybody's like experience into account and she's just
Speaker 1: like never gonna see her kid again, this woman who's
Speaker 1: not real but.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, jail for life, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean the woman in the real case
Speaker 1: didn't get any jail time because I don't think she
Speaker 1: really did have anything to do with it.
Speaker 4: But she seemed like she was.
Speaker 1: In an abusive relationship as well, you know, like she
Speaker 1: didn't probably have like a great way out or maybe
Speaker 1: she was trying to get a way out. She went
Speaker 1: to go visit her family right before this happened. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's tough. It's tough stuff the.
Speaker 2: Women criminals, like it's easier for men not to think
Speaker 2: about their children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I also from somebody who is from
Speaker 1: a family where I feel my mother is very heavily
Speaker 1: politically influenced by my father. I do think it's possible
Speaker 1: sometimes that men just like wear their partners down and
Speaker 1: are like getting like, let's do this together or but
Speaker 1: it's also I'm a feminist.
Speaker 4: Women can think for themselves.
Speaker 1: Maybe like the women, the woman in the San Bernardino
Speaker 1: terrorist attack was like, this is what I believe, let's
Speaker 1: go kill all these people. And maybe she was like
Speaker 1: as intuit as him, you know, who knows. I definitely
Speaker 1: lean towards the side of men as the mastermind and
Speaker 1: these kind of things. And then that's, uh, that's my
Speaker 1: mis injury showing, you know.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 1: I also, Benson, don't bring Noah to a call. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that it's at a playground. Let's get Lucy.
Speaker 1: We've got Lucy on call twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: I know, but you wouldn't have thought, but it was
Speaker 2: gonna be five year old, I know, so crazy, so crazy.
Speaker 4: Oh I did, I did just have an audition. This
Speaker 4: is for to be a bailiff.
Speaker 1: Oh so I had, you know, I have a lot
Speaker 1: of docket number seven.
Speaker 2: Not for us you but a baylif for something. I'd
Speaker 2: be like, put your phones in the bag. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: got to get not speak to anyone.
Speaker 3: Need that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would love. I would.
Speaker 2: I would love to bridge the gap between my comedy
Speaker 2: and crime life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this podcast is that.
Speaker 1: But and showing up to Luigi's trial, if you ever
Speaker 1: get to, is also that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like they're purposely doing it. When I'm
Speaker 2: on the road, it's the lect I would.
Speaker 1: Say that his criminal trial is not conducive to a
Speaker 1: road comedian.
Speaker 4: It's not. It's just not. No, they didn't think about that,
Speaker 4: and it's fucked up.
Speaker 2: But because even when it and then the Wednesday date
Speaker 2: that I was finally excited to go, you know, they postponed.
Speaker 2: But my letter is not being returned. So I wonder
Speaker 2: if he got it or if it's just in a
Speaker 2: pile something like. I just wonder. But his birthday's coming up.
Speaker 2: I gotta send them something. Yeah, No, a sheet of
Speaker 2: paper that says happy Bertha.
Speaker 1: Because you can't draw, Yeah, no drawing. Can you do
Speaker 1: different fonts? If you type, that's a great question. Can
Speaker 1: you do can you do color inch or does it
Speaker 1: have to be black ink no black or blue? Black black, okay,
Speaker 1: black or blue, no colors. I mean, maybe he didn't
Speaker 1: enjoy a little comic Sam's I don't know, something.
Speaker 4: To lighten up his mood. I don't know, just wonder
Speaker 4: I was doing in there. Yeah, it's also sad. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: But I also, you know, the more we talk about
Speaker 2: jail and you know, this case and the episode, I
Speaker 2: you know, it's tough not to think about all the
Speaker 2: people that are being held without due process right now
Speaker 2: and all the Americans that are so easily okay with it.
Speaker 2: Like that's that's what I think is. I knew what happened,
Speaker 2: but that's been kind of the most shocking of people
Speaker 2: being like, well, I mean, what is the first Amendment?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: Well, he actually is a bad guy, So, like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's so crazy how quickly people are okay giving up
Speaker 2: their rights because they think it might not be them
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's it's wild to see can't trust anyone. When I
Speaker 1: was in Florida, my aunt Grace, who you've met. You've
Speaker 1: met a lot of my aunts and uncles that live
Speaker 1: in Florida. They she had a big dinner for everybody
Speaker 1: so we could they could see us and whatever. And actually,
Speaker 1: my aunt Julie came down, who I never see, and
Speaker 1: she was a judge clerk, a clerk for a judge
Speaker 1: for like her entire career.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: And all of my mom's siblings are pretty right left leaning, like,
Speaker 1: and my mom is like a full right like not
Speaker 1: like Maga, but they vote for Trump. And so we're
Speaker 1: at dinner and my Aunt Julie is just railing, and
Speaker 1: so is my Aunt Grace. They're just like I never
Speaker 1: thought i'd see democracy threatened like this in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: And I was just sitting back being like, get her jade, like,
Speaker 1: I was like louder like. My mom was just watching
Speaker 1: them talk, and I was like, keep it going, keep
Speaker 1: it going.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not going to change your mind or anything.
Speaker 1: But I was just like, do you are you seeing
Speaker 1: all your siblings sitting around saying the same shit and
Speaker 1: your kids.
Speaker 2: So you don't think anything would change her mind? You
Speaker 2: think it's just like what your dad says, and that's
Speaker 2: the brain dad.
Speaker 1: I think it's the Fox. I think it's the Fox News.
Speaker 1: It's like that's where she's getting the news. And so
Speaker 1: she considers herself an informed person because she's getting it
Speaker 1: all from this one source and it's the wrong information.
Speaker 1: And she sat on the couch at my uncle's house
Speaker 1: once and goes another plane crash and I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe if he hadn't fired everybody at the FAA, these
Speaker 1: wouldn't be happening. She was like, well, I don't really
Speaker 1: think he did that, and I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: And then I don't get into it, like I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna start, you know, like I have four days to
Speaker 1: hang out with you.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do that. But like it's just.
Speaker 1: You've you have we already talked about this. Have you've
Speaker 1: seen that podcast that that guy does. He has like
Speaker 1: another very popular podcast about the Bachelor, I guess, But
Speaker 1: he has this new podcast he does with his sister
Speaker 1: where they talk to their parents and the new dad
Speaker 1: is about it.
Speaker 4: He talks about it. The dad is just an unrepentant asshole.
Speaker 1: Like they ask him normal questions like have you ever you ever,
Speaker 1: have you ever been wrong?
Speaker 4: Have you ever apologized or anything?
Speaker 1: The guy's like nope, Like he's just a full dick,
Speaker 1: the dad. And it's getting to the point where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is going to get anywhere,
Speaker 1: Like it's not. You know, your dad is a wall
Speaker 1: like of asshole, Like there's nothing.
Speaker 2: Well, because I watched Doctor Mike and he'll talk to
Speaker 2: people about vaccines or whatever, and he'll be like, is
Speaker 2: there anything I can say that would change your mind?
Speaker 2: And there is, So it's like, what's the point, you know,
Speaker 2: It's like, right, what is the point.
Speaker 4: These people do have.
Speaker 2: To lose their farms and their lives and their health,
Speaker 2: their social security, and god knows what else until they
Speaker 2: like realize what's that? Like? Truly, their lives need to
Speaker 2: be so ruined and every brown and black person needs
Speaker 2: to be gone to be blamed, you know, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know what it's going to take for these people
Speaker 2: because these people's kids and family died of COVID and
Speaker 2: they still won't change their minds, like COVID is still
Speaker 2: not real.
Speaker 1: Right Like Meazel's family, the Measles families are saying, I
Speaker 1: don't care that my kid died. I would never vaccinate
Speaker 1: another child, like if I had one, I just don't
Speaker 1: preventable diseases like I don't.
Speaker 2: That's why waiting for them also to change their mind
Speaker 2: is futile, Like it's yeah, but with your mind it
Speaker 2: is like, so you think everyone in your family is wrong?
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone around you? It's crazy. I mean not everyone's
Speaker 1: just friends that like are the same. But it's just
Speaker 1: I also think she just kind of goes blinders about it,
Speaker 1: like when anyone, like.
Speaker 2: She doesn't feel bad that these like family like men
Speaker 2: with families are just an El Salvador to die.
Speaker 1: I haven't talked about that with her, but like if
Speaker 1: the world, if the news is telling you that these
Speaker 1: are gang members responsible for hundreds of people's deaths, which
Speaker 1: is not true, but if that's what the news is
Speaker 1: telling you, then you're like, I'm I don't care that
Speaker 1: this man got ripped away from his child. You know,
Speaker 1: Like she's not like evil, you know, but she's getting
Speaker 1: the information that tells her that this stuff is okay.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I like, yeah, she just puts
Speaker 1: up blinders. Like every time I have an argument with her,
Speaker 1: she's just like, I'm tired. Can we not talk about this?
Speaker 1: You know, It's like she doesn't really want to get
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 2: So but because my theory is like if you're a trumper,
Speaker 2: you're either evil or dumb.
Speaker 4: But your mom doesn't fall in I know, but she's
Speaker 4: not like a trumper.
Speaker 1: They just vote Republican no matter what, like, which is
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they wouldn't say I
Speaker 1: don't think that, they would say, oh, like he's the
Speaker 1: greatest president we've ever had. They're not like in the
Speaker 1: Maga cult, you know, They're not like he can do
Speaker 1: no wrong. But they do vote for him because I
Speaker 1: think they think the alternative is horrible.
Speaker 2: I know, but it's like, what I guess is confusing,
Speaker 2: is so do you not have any values then, because
Speaker 2: if you're voting Republican, there are let's say, back in
Speaker 2: the day, there are these ideals that you believe in,
Speaker 2: which I guess I thought was the Constitution, And yeah,
Speaker 2: now that it's the name that I would love to
Speaker 2: bring up to them, but I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't care. That's why I can't snatch people off
Speaker 4: the streets.
Speaker 1: You can't deport people without due process, like like I
Speaker 1: like all these Republicans that are like, I'm a constitutionalist.
Speaker 4: It's like I don't understand, like, but I just I can't.
Speaker 4: That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: When the markers are constantly changing, like if the Democrat
Speaker 2: Party got some I also don't need to be like
Speaker 2: obsessed with my politicians, right, like I'm okay, disagree, Like I.
Speaker 4: Don't know, I you know, they're not my all be all.
Speaker 2: But if if someone was doing something I was an
Speaker 2: be like, oh I don't really like that. But it
Speaker 2: seems like they just can't admit that anything is a
Speaker 2: miss and that is what is Like what are you taught?
Speaker 4: Like what do you stand for?
Speaker 6: Then?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Just not progress, like if you're just voting Republican
Speaker 2: no matter what, even when this person is anti everything
Speaker 2: you believe in. You well, you don't like abortion, he
Speaker 2: gets tons of them. You don't your you like, you
Speaker 2: don't you don't like divorce, he has a ton of them.
Speaker 2: You know, you want America to keep its secret? He's
Speaker 2: he has files in the bathroom, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like these people like Reagan, they like they like
Speaker 1: the old ways like they do they they don't want
Speaker 1: anything to progress, to be honest, they don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but get a get to her. What's
Speaker 2: what's let's get to next. Let's get to what would
Speaker 2: sister peg do.
Speaker 1: Let's I mean, listen, I you guys know for what
Speaker 1: Sister Peg do. This is our weekly segment where we
Speaker 1: try to give you guys more info about what we
Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode. We you know, an article,
Speaker 1: a documentary, something, an organization, a charity. But I was
Speaker 1: really trying to find something that kind of was like
Speaker 1: a definitive study on like women that are like in
Speaker 1: relationships with terrorists, you know, and like the stuff like
Speaker 1: something like about the psychology of all that. But anything
Speaker 1: I found were like very very heavy, like academic papers
Speaker 1: which I didn't really think anybody was going to go
Speaker 1: look at read And actually a couple times I clicked
Speaker 1: and I couldn't even get to the paper. So if
Speaker 1: anyone has a resource on something like that, let me know,
Speaker 1: because I'd be very interested to see, you know, read
Speaker 1: something like a study on like how how you can
Speaker 1: extract women from those kind of relationships, like if there's
Speaker 1: organizations that help do that.
Speaker 4: But I couldn't find anything.
Speaker 1: So what I decided to highlight was the twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: documentary forty nine Pulses, which explores the tragic to twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen mass shooting at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, and
Speaker 1: it features interviews with survivors, and I just I wanted
Speaker 1: to highlight that because you know, as a hue, as
Speaker 1: a what I like to consider myself an alley of
Speaker 1: the gay community, that one like really hit hard. So
Speaker 1: it's currently streaming on Prime. I think you can also
Speaker 1: buy it on Apple or whatever. But that will be
Speaker 1: linked to in our stories the day that this episode
Speaker 1: comes out and saved forever in our WWSPD highlights on
Speaker 1: our Instagram page, which is that s messed up pod.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just thinking about the shootings and how they'll never stop.
Speaker 2: How did you see that one of the girls that
Speaker 2: was like in Parkland was also at FSU.
Speaker 1: No, but I've heard other stories of kids that are
Speaker 1: at two now, like people that are like their elementary
Speaker 1: school had one and then they go to Virginia Tech
Speaker 1: and they have like you know, it's like crazy.
Speaker 2: And next week it's just like our brains aren't meant
Speaker 2: to do this from like the collapse of our government
Speaker 2: and life as we know it. And then just well,
Speaker 2: next week's episode, we will be doing closet from season nine,
Speaker 2: episode sixteam, So come on down more nonsense.
Speaker 4: No, We're obsessed with all of you.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening at least we have another at least
Speaker 1: we have each other the listeners and SVU during these Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what's like amazing, Like I just love
Speaker 1: being on the road now more than ever because it's
Speaker 1: like so much my audience that it just feels like
Speaker 1: everyone's just on the same page.
Speaker 4: And then the moment you get back to a different crowd.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, yeah, you guys, we're not like fatally
Speaker 2: linked in a true way, but all right, bye, guys,
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