WEBVTT - Snitch w/ Hakeem Kae-Kazim

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories, done.

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<v Speaker 4>Done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU

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<v Speaker 4>podcast on kerk Blank.

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<v Speaker 3>I sound like a newscaster and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Could do it too, And I'm Liza Traeger and today

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be talking about Law and Order SVU,

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<v Speaker 2>the crimes that they're based on, and a guest from

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<v Speaker 2>the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, weather is Okay, what's up. It's been a

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<v Speaker 1>big week. I feel like you've.

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<v Speaker 3>Been out in the Basketbler.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't remember anything of her at all at

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<v Speaker 2>any times.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, whenever we get together, I'm always like, what

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<v Speaker 1>have I been doing?

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<v Speaker 3>I know I've been doing things. What have I been doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what date it is, what day it is,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just no, but yeah, it's been it's been good.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I guess, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to start on this negative of a note,

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<v Speaker 2>but my algorithm's feeding it to me and I keep

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<v Speaker 2>skipping it. I refuse to watch it. I refuse. I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's gonna make me mad.

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<v Speaker 3>So is it key?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the Chief Sky? Yeah, it's the Chief Sky.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew it that. We've already had a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>people message us about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wonder if it wasn't for Taylor dating a chief,

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<v Speaker 2>would we even know about this? Or is the speech

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<v Speaker 2>so egregious it would have spread? But he also mentions

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor in it. He says my teammate's girlfriend or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, if it wasn't the tailor connect, would we know

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<v Speaker 2>about this man?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably not? Would we hear about the speech?

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<v Speaker 2>Or was the speech egregious enough to tell college actually

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<v Speaker 2>they should be homemakers?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think so. I think it would have gone semiviral.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Tailor's definitely posish the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the dis it's so discussed.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why the algorithm every other explore thing is like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you want to watch this? And I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>do not want to watch this? Yeah, I refuse to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was definitely on my list of things to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about with you today, but you beat me to

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<v Speaker 1>the punch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He seems like a absolute clown, like a moron, like talking

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<v Speaker 1>about like murdering unborn babies like a like a just

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<v Speaker 1>a full moron, Like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>He came to like just make some points that have

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with inspiring graduates except to be biggots

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't and to tell women don't use your degree,

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<v Speaker 2>like I just don't know it. I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the NFL, well, I saw a tweet that was

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<v Speaker 2>like I love that Colin Kaepernick blackballed forever, kicked out

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<v Speaker 2>of the league, like truly fucked over forever because of

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<v Speaker 2>his beliefs. And yet this motherfucker could keep on kicking

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<v Speaker 2>right right, Did the NFL not want to check his speech?

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<v Speaker 2>No one wanted to do that. That's who's representing your

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<v Speaker 2>organization to the future, like fuck you. But this could

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<v Speaker 2>also be a conservative Catholic college, like I went to

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<v Speaker 2>a school I.

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<v Speaker 3>Believe it's called Benedictine or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me like because I went to an evalangelical Christian

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<v Speaker 2>college surprise to those who might have forgotten. But there

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<v Speaker 2>were girls there that were planning on like they would

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<v Speaker 2>get married while they were in school. No plans to

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<v Speaker 2>do anything but like make children, and yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of them fifteen twenty years later are

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<v Speaker 2>really feeling the weight of their mistakes. Yeah, marrying a

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<v Speaker 2>douche lord at twenty two, I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 2>guarantees a great life.

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<v Speaker 1>Having kids right out of college. I mean, yes, go

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<v Speaker 1>do that if you want, do that, if you want, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>more power to you. Some people want to be young moms,

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<v Speaker 1>and I get.

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<v Speaker 3>That, but there's no choice here.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what this person is saying at the commencement speech,

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<v Speaker 2>which the best thing you can do is wash my clothes,

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<v Speaker 2>cook my dinner, and raise my kids while I fulfill

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<v Speaker 2>my dreams. That and so that's what I mean. Like

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<v Speaker 2>all these religious girls, like you're indoctrinated, you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>this school. You marry this guy who's been taught he's

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<v Speaker 2>the center of the universe and only he, and he matters,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's no way if you grow at all or

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<v Speaker 2>see the world, you could just stay sheltered and want it.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, there's no way. These women in their thirties

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<v Speaker 2>and forties are not like, what have I this, I've

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<v Speaker 2>wasted my life. Yeah, washing this man's like house while

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't think I should follow my dreams in any way.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's like it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy all of a success was made possible because a

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<v Speaker 1>girl I met in banned class back in middle school

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<v Speaker 1>would convert to the faith, become my wife, and embrace

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most important titles of all homemaker.

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<v Speaker 3>Just get out of my fucking feed, dude. I but

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<v Speaker 3>that's what's crazy too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like so saying out loud, and with most men,

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<v Speaker 2>they would not have any of the things they have

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<v Speaker 2>if it wasn't for a woman doing unpaid labor for you.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet they devalue want to take all right, so

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<v Speaker 2>like they do not value you, yet they still admit

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<v Speaker 2>they can't have a life without you, Like I do

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<v Speaker 2>not understand it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh a goes.

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<v Speaker 1>My wife would tell you that her life truly started

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<v Speaker 1>when she began living her vocation as a wife and

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<v Speaker 1>a mother.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just not it's just you are for a college,

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<v Speaker 3>this is for a church.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a sermon, this is not this is not

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<v Speaker 2>for college graduates.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's just it's kind of mind blowing. It

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<v Speaker 1>feels like this is a college speech from like nineteen forty,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just really wild.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what we're doing. We're living in a aggressive society.

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<v Speaker 2>We are seeing society regress, like we just are We're losing.

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<v Speaker 1>He says to them, I bet you guys are all

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<v Speaker 1>some of you could go on to be successful in

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<v Speaker 1>your careers, but I bet you're all the most excited

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<v Speaker 1>about marriage and kids. And it's like, fuck off, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just so gross to just reduce women.

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<v Speaker 3>To that that's all they are to guys like that graduate. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like it's the wrong place. Yeah, but it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know what bet Benedictine College is,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm going to go ahead and guess it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very faith based college. And uh, like I'm sure they

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<v Speaker 1>were like thrilled for him to say all this shit.

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<v Speaker 1>It says it's a private liberal arts college. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>liberal arts is used loosely.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Oh, it says it's a Catholic. It's a Catholic

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<v Speaker 3>liberal arts college.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we got a Catholic Yeah. Sorry the first

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<v Speaker 1>Uh it's in Kansas. Yeah, I don't know, it's it's bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>But and it's like, you're a fucking kicker. I just

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<v Speaker 2>hope the worst for him, I really do. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day. All of these women,

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<v Speaker 2>if anything happens to you, they're not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>there for you, right, They're not going to be there

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<v Speaker 2>through your illness or through changes, or when you're depressed

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<v Speaker 2>and don't want to clean. Like they are into you

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<v Speaker 2>for a service that you are providing. They are entitled

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<v Speaker 2>to Yeah, they are entitled to this. They're not like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>look at everything she's doing. It's like, oh, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>doing this. I'm gonna my love is conditional on you

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<v Speaker 2>doing I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna say, if like the wife gets sick, the wife

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<v Speaker 1>gets like depressed and can't keep up with her you know,

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<v Speaker 1>household duties, Let's see how long these kind of dudes

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<v Speaker 1>stick around. But wait, I wanted to bring up this

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<v Speaker 1>wild thing that I saw.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you hear? Because I'm I don't need to start

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<v Speaker 3>my day in a rage. Well I've just been.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this thing about how two beauty queens have

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<v Speaker 1>recently resigned.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you've seen any of this. No, no,

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<v Speaker 3>not at all, but okay, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Taylor was in Paris, so that was a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and and vander Pump reunion and like summerhow it's like

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<v Speaker 2>my explore page is Bravo and Taylor. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>these beauty queens, and I don't know say snuck in

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<v Speaker 2>that speech, but well so.

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<v Speaker 1>This woman stepped down as Miss USA twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>and then really quickly after this other girl stepped down

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm sorry, Miss teen USA, and everybody's like, what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on? But Miss USA released a statement, and pageant

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<v Speaker 1>fans discovered that if you look at the first letter

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<v Speaker 1>of every word in her statement, it spells out I

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<v Speaker 1>am silenced, which I thought was very SVU, very like

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening? And apparently like the woman who owns the

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<v Speaker 1>organization is very kirsty, aali and drop dead gorgeous, like

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<v Speaker 1>a very you know, mean and like not not.

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<v Speaker 2>Does the mom are speaking out the moment? Yeah, nightmare totally.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like that, I guess it's them all within

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<v Speaker 1>the Miss Universe organization. And like one the miss teens said,

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<v Speaker 1>my personal value is no longer fully aligned with the

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<v Speaker 1>direction of the organization. But then this girl, like that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty coincident, coincidental if that's not a hidden message like

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<v Speaker 1>that way she is, you know, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Cloaked under silence. No, this is like legit. I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I want to read all of this right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they basically I mean, i'll uh, I'll put

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<v Speaker 1>like the Today Show article in the show notes for

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<v Speaker 1>today's episode if we still can, Casey and you guys

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<v Speaker 1>can like read about this. But it is like a

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<v Speaker 1>wild I just was like, wow, this is like a movie,

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<v Speaker 1>like what's happening? A code in an Instagram caption? That's

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's also it's also very tailor uh with.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like she leaves codes. Who knew?

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<v Speaker 2>And now I guess I guess from far away, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess we could have known there might be some issues

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<v Speaker 2>with yes, the beaut an industry, if you were listening

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<v Speaker 2>to this and you did not get tickets to my

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix taping Saturday the twenty fifth, I'm doing a show

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<v Speaker 2>at five pm, which I don't know if that makes

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<v Speaker 2>you feel good or bad, but it's at it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is at five at Union Hall in Brooklyn, all right?

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<v Speaker 1>And then is there any chance of anybody coming to

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<v Speaker 1>your tapings?

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<v Speaker 3>Are there gonna be door seats? Are there gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>any released? Yeah, there's gonna be some release.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, like we have to figure out the production,

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<v Speaker 2>how it's going to look with the cameras and get

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<v Speaker 2>into the space more one more time because we have

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<v Speaker 2>to kill certain seats and once that's solidified, we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>able to release more or not.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, got it, got it. So stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 3>You still might have a chance. Yeah. Wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, one of our listeners, Aresley who I who We Love,

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned last week. She's getting back, she's getting mentions.

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<v Speaker 1>She sent me this interview with gold Have you seen

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<v Speaker 1>it before? It's this interview with Goldiehan talking about Death

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<v Speaker 1>Becomes Her and she gives me She says they shot

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<v Speaker 1>a different ending for Death Becomes Her and that it

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<v Speaker 1>like didn't test well or something, and so they shot

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<v Speaker 1>the one that we.

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<v Speaker 3>See, so like, was it okay? So like, if you've.

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<v Speaker 1>Seen Death Becomes Her, you know the end of it

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<v Speaker 1>is at they're at Bruce Willis's funeral. They look crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>like their faces have been all fucked up because they've

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<v Speaker 1>had all this like work done and they've been spackling

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<v Speaker 1>themselves together, but they can't die. And then at the

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<v Speaker 1>end they're fighting and they fall down these stairs and

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<v Speaker 1>they fall into like a million pieces, but they're still alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Goldiehan gives this like great interview where she talks about

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<v Speaker 1>how the original ending is them like somewhere abroad and

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<v Speaker 1>they're together and they look perfect, they look exactly the same,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're so bored and they're just like, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to do? Oh, you want to go to London?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I've been to London? What about Paris?

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<v Speaker 1>Paris again? And it's just like more of a calm

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<v Speaker 1>about like is that what you want? Like when you

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<v Speaker 1>get eternal youth? Like do you want to just be

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<v Speaker 1>alive forever? And they only have each other. Everyone else

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<v Speaker 1>they know has died, like and they hate each other

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<v Speaker 1>now and that's the ending that they did. And she

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<v Speaker 1>likes that ending better because she's like, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was more spoke to the point of the movie than

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<v Speaker 1>what But she said, you know, people reshoot endings all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and that's just what they did. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but she liked the original.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm it honestly drives me crazy that I

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<v Speaker 2>know about this now, but I think that the comment

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<v Speaker 2>is still the same. Yeah, like either way they're suffering.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes that's true, But I just think the other one,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess was like it's like a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>of like a subtle thing because it's like, oh, they

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<v Speaker 1>still look great, they still look young.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>But then it's like, but what's that like when everybody

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're gonna watch everybody you know die forever,

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<v Speaker 1>like and just be with this one other person who's

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<v Speaker 1>like your nemesis.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe Isabella Rossellini for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been haunting, and they could have they

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<v Speaker 2>probably shot across. I mean, they have to release it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they need to release it. We need to

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<v Speaker 2>start a campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, I said it to my friend Alan. I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, have you seen this? He was like yes,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. And can I tell you that? I

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<v Speaker 3>got Death Becomes Her earrings? What are they? Are they

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<v Speaker 3>the potion bottle?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's it's a photo of the two of them

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<v Speaker 2>and it's shaped as them.

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<v Speaker 3>I bought it on my block. Love That Love That.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared got me a DVD of that at Dwayne Read Once.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm obsessed.

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<v Speaker 2>They also had earrings that were the Wet bandits ooh,

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<v Speaker 2>and some other I don't remember the other things. But

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<v Speaker 2>they had some fun, some fun, some fun. Ways to well,

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<v Speaker 2>I have huge news for everyone listening. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw my business manager and we did the whole

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<v Speaker 2>pie chart, breakdown, plans, little everything, and then he goes

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<v Speaker 2>and we really have no problem with your spending.

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<v Speaker 3>You go, there's no cause for concern. It's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Yeah, they go, this one average is high, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's the tailor tickets and he's like, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that'll be happening again.

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<v Speaker 1>And mon yeah and that was that amazing. Congratulations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I can keep getting my little drinks and

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<v Speaker 2>doing my classes and uh, it's a thrill.

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<v Speaker 3>That's amazing, gongras.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like people act and I act like

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<v Speaker 2>I am just so irresponsible and it's so great to

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<v Speaker 2>have a full blown professional with all of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Map keeping an eye. You're actually fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, I talked about the Starbucks thing on this last week, right,

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<v Speaker 2>yes the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I had it. Oh yes, the boba inspired drink.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's berry with raspb It tastes like a melted popsicle,

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<v Speaker 2>okay to see Yeah no, non no, I melted popsicle

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<v Speaker 2>with not too sweet. But I wouldn't get it again.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was like, I didn't finish it, but then

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<v Speaker 2>I got really high, and then I didn't realize what

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<v Speaker 2>was happening. But then I was just sucking up the

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<v Speaker 2>leftover boba one by one. But I was with someone

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<v Speaker 2>who just watched me for probably ten minutes in silence,

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<v Speaker 2>suck up the boba. And then when I got out

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<v Speaker 2>of the trance, I was like, I'm so sorry you

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<v Speaker 2>had to watch that, and they were like, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>was crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>But are they the kind you were telling me about

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<v Speaker 3>the ones that pop?

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<v Speaker 2>It was and I liked them, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, like, what if I get a pineapple refresher

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<v Speaker 2>and ask for the raspberry boat popping boba things they

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<v Speaker 2>have with the pearls because it's the berry that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really do it for me, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Just stick a little scoop of the pearls in.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet they could do that. Yeah, we'll see. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna try that next time.

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<v Speaker 3>But congrats. I hope it's a hit.

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<v Speaker 1>Me saying okay, let's I think we should. We can

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<v Speaker 1>get started, but like, uh, do you have more dates

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<v Speaker 1>coming up? I mean, oh, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be in New Orleans June seventh and eighth,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'm gonna be in Kansas City June fourteen, fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen and then that's.

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<v Speaker 3>That amazing a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you can go to That's messed up live

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<v Speaker 1>dot com that has the Liza's website link that takes

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<v Speaker 1>you to all her ticket links. It also has our

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<v Speaker 1>merch link Babies, you can get some of our merch

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<v Speaker 1>guys aren't shopping for birthdays, weddings, any occasions, we have

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<v Speaker 3>We want you guys to save and.

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you for all the attention for our hit

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<v Speaker 2>reel slash TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have If you guys have idea of scenes

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<v Speaker 1>that you think would be funny yeah to do for

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<v Speaker 1>our TikTok and our insta, we are down, so like,

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<v Speaker 1>send us your suggestions of we obviously like to do

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<v Speaker 1>some of the campier scenes, so send them send them

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<v Speaker 1>our way.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, please, not a horrific yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, ah, should we do?

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<v Speaker 3>You're a nine year old girl? You're describing your attack

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<v Speaker 3>like I don't want that? Should we do? Avatar you're

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<v Speaker 3>so old? Should we do that? Or turn on the sun?

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<v Speaker 3>Turn on this s turn on the sun?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, my god, this is exciting. We're gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>into it. We're gonna get into it. Okay, we're starting

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<v Speaker 2>the episode Enjoy, Enjoy. Okay, So we're gonna do the

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<v Speaker 2>episode Snitch, which I honestly can't believe it took till

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<v Speaker 2>season nine to have a snitch titled episode.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a quick, simple word. Yes, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>get into more about where it comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, okay, I love that origin story of Snitch. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so this came out in two thousand and seven. We

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<v Speaker 2>open up on some eco friends of New York and

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to clean up the East River and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a dork trying to pick up another volunteer who catches

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<v Speaker 2>on and is like, do you ask out all the volunteers?

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<v Speaker 3>He also asked her out to sushi.

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<v Speaker 2>Which in front of a body of water filled with

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<v Speaker 2>garbage is kind of an lol.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, it's like, I love how this show is like,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you volunteer and you have a kind heart,

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<v Speaker 1>someone is still going to hit on you unwantedly, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you are going to still feel the advances of Dorky

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<v Speaker 1>Men because they've done multiple episodes where people are cleaning

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<v Speaker 1>shit up and some guys like, anyway you want to

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<v Speaker 1>hang out after this? Like it's like, can we not

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<v Speaker 1>just be charitable and not have to do no?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like that when people are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to meet people or I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what to do, people are like, go play kickball

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<v Speaker 2>or volunteer. We kind of encourage sure, but this guy

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<v Speaker 2>feels like he's coming at it. There's another one too,

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<v Speaker 2>There's another It was like in it was like in

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<v Speaker 2>the Erica Christiansen episode where the guy you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>like everybody's like, oh, he asks everybody out. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not safe, but no, do volunteer, do play kickball?

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<v Speaker 2>You're safe, You're safe. But I also saw a meme

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a giant tray of sushi on the

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<v Speaker 2>beach and someone tweeted, damn, you're gonna eat them in

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<v Speaker 2>front of their family, and I really liked that.

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<v Speaker 3>I want sushi right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So as they approach with their six trying to

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<v Speaker 2>pick up bags of trash out of the water, they

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<v Speaker 2>see two feet she's tied up. Melinda's on the scene

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<v Speaker 2>very quick and she's explaining what's what to Elliott and Olivia.

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<v Speaker 2>So a black teen is found in a trash bag

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<v Speaker 2>with her ankles bound together with a cable and she

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<v Speaker 2>was dead before she was put in the water. She

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<v Speaker 2>has gashes on her head an arm and she it

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<v Speaker 2>was hit with something, and Melinda thinks also abused for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time because she has a lot of genital scarring.

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<v Speaker 2>We find a guy laying on a piece of cardboard

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<v Speaker 2>with an empty wallet and no id, and he is

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<v Speaker 2>asleep and he wakes up and punches Stabler in the face,

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<v Speaker 2>which I love, and it be comes into a chase scene.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy climbs over a fence and he falls over

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<v Speaker 2>the other side and like collapses, but then Benson just

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<v Speaker 2>walks around the fence and it's like a cartoon.

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<v Speaker 3>It was he did not have to climb it.

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<v Speaker 2>But he is still breathing, and Benson's hopeful that he

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<v Speaker 2>lives so they can get him to confess. And it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the man laying down passed out at the scene of

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<v Speaker 2>the crime, did it?

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<v Speaker 1>Like that was my thought too, So you guys are

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<v Speaker 1>so positive. It's this guy who did it and then

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<v Speaker 1>took a nap on a piece of cardboard.

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<v Speaker 3>It's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I love a Red Herringer too, But come on,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not We're not fools. So we go into the credits.

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<v Speaker 2>We meet the suspect back up at the hospital. He's

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<v Speaker 2>cuffed to the bed with no memory of anything. He

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<v Speaker 2>has a history of picking up hookers, that's what their words.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they show him the photo of the teen

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<v Speaker 2>and say, is this to you. He has no idea

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<v Speaker 2>who she is, and Sailor's trying to be a good guy, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. She fell in the water on accident.

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<v Speaker 2>You can tell us that. And that works on him,

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<v Speaker 2>which is wild because she was bound and did not

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<v Speaker 2>fall in on accident. He starts to talk. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>a blur, he says. Stabler is like, just to be clear,

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<v Speaker 2>tell me who she is, and he shows her the

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<v Speaker 2>photo and the guy goes, she was so beautiful. You

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<v Speaker 2>know I have a weakness for younger women, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he asks I killed her. So we get to walk

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<v Speaker 2>and talk down a hospital hallway and the doc is like, you, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>he's an epileptic. He was passed out. He did not

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<v Speaker 2>do this. The doc is like, that's why he has

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<v Speaker 2>no idea. He can't get a driver's license. He probably

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<v Speaker 2>got startled and attacked you because you were just standing

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<v Speaker 2>over him as he woke up from an epileptic situation.

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<v Speaker 2>And right when they wake up, they're prone to suggestions.

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<v Speaker 2>So his confession doesn't he work? Like, shut up? She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>did you ask leading questions? And Benson quickly says the

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<v Speaker 2>evidence was leading. He had scratches all over his face

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<v Speaker 2>and hands, and she's like, yeah, probably from the seizure.

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<v Speaker 2>But Stalelor doesn't care. He's like, that's our number one suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>Send him to jail. I don't care. The doctor is annoyed.

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<v Speaker 3>She sighs.

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<v Speaker 2>Benson and Stabler are at home base and Finn is

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<v Speaker 2>now telling them this is not your guy, and Chesterlake

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<v Speaker 2>is there. It's one of his episodes, Dune Done Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Finn says that the cable used on her feet is

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<v Speaker 2>for connecting buildings to cable TV, and there were three

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<v Speaker 2>outages this morning, and one of those somebody cut fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>feet out of a cable out of a back alley

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<v Speaker 2>around one hundred and sixty ninth Street, and so that's

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<v Speaker 2>where they think the attack happened, and Chester explains the

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<v Speaker 2>title flow could have taken the body up there and

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<v Speaker 2>that's when she was found in the morning, because not

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<v Speaker 2>only as an architecture expert.

0:22:57.560 --> 0:22:59.919
<v Speaker 3>He does know about title flows. The Tides.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, is that why Tide is tied like the Detergent.

0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:10.919
<v Speaker 3>Probably, Like are they trying to like yeah, I think

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:16.880
<v Speaker 3>they're trying to evoke water imagery? Yeah for sure. Wow. Cool.

0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 2>So I'm trying to think of any other brand like

0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Tide does have such a choke hold on the industry.

0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Name another brand, Well, there's all.

0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:30.439
<v Speaker 1>There's a person as we know, is the mister Marishka Hargate.

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Is this person spokespan? There's gain? Wow, you know them all?

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:38.359
<v Speaker 3>But I will I'm a Tide girl and I have

0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:40.399
<v Speaker 3>always been. No, we we.

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Were a tied household. I don't even think we entertained

0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:46.199
<v Speaker 2>another brand. That's why I'm like so confused. I do

0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.960
<v Speaker 2>remember that the little Bear, the Snuggie Bear, but I

0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:53.520
<v Speaker 2>think that's a fabric softener, which I think, yes, passe, Yeah,

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't think people use that anymore.

0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I use bear. The bear had its own snuggie

0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:03.280
<v Speaker 1>snuggle snuggle. Yeah, snuggle, just straight up snuggle.

0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:05.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're right. Yeah, Bounce was just circles. I feel

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:09.199
<v Speaker 3>like Bounce a bear was cute, though you wanted to

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:09.880
<v Speaker 3>snuggle him.

0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:10.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I loved that bear, not as much as I love

0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:15.119
<v Speaker 2>the toilet paper bears that just like, fully are okay

0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.679
<v Speaker 2>having pieces of like toilet paper stuck on their butts

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:18.280
<v Speaker 2>on camera.

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:20.280
<v Speaker 3>They're just sitting in the woods. They're like, this is

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:21.760
<v Speaker 3>our lives. Get into it.

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, this is okay. So this has to

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:26.760
<v Speaker 2>do with our podcast. So I don't know if you

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:30.560
<v Speaker 2>saw on social media, there's been a like a trend

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.840
<v Speaker 2>where women ask, well not women, the question is, if

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 2>you're walking in the woods, would you rather run into

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:42.200
<v Speaker 2>a bear or a man? And every woman says a bear,

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Like every woman is like bear, bear, bear, And then

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:47.880
<v Speaker 2>of course I'm in the comments and like the men

0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 2>get so defensive and mad and like trying to explain

0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 2>how a bear is dangerous, like we don't know the

0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 2>dangers of bear.

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah exactly, which makes me laugh.

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:04.240
<v Speaker 2>They're like a claw and a jaw and they could

0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 2>all run and I'm like, yeah, yeah, no, we're not

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 2>confused at what a bear can bring to the game,

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:10.840
<v Speaker 2>like we know we are alive.

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.480
<v Speaker 1>We've also just seen twenty five seasons of Law and

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Order res for you.

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:16.359
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I got into it with one guy. I

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 2>was like, no, no, I know what a bear does.

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:20.280
<v Speaker 2>I go, but a bear might eat me or kill

0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:23.359
<v Speaker 2>me or leave me to bleed out slowly. A man

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:26.160
<v Speaker 2>can hold me in his basement in Ohio for two decades.

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:26.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeay.

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:31.879
<v Speaker 2>I do not want to be tortured Colleen's standstyle for

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 2>even a fucking week in your basement.

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 3>I would rather get eaten by a bear.

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.679
<v Speaker 2>And I don't get why this won't penetrate the men

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 2>on the internet, Like I'm sure other you know, the

0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 2>men that are listening to this with their girlfriends, they're

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 2>on our side.

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:46.720
<v Speaker 1>But we talked about this when I was on hysteria

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 1>recently and I'm oh, wow, okay, and I was like, yeah,

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 1>bear for sure, because at least with Bear there's like mnemonics.

0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 1>There's like Bear, there's like brown, lay down, black, like

0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 1>staying back like you know, life right back, like there's

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 1>all like at least I know, white is like good night,

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:03.480
<v Speaker 1>good night.

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:05.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you're dead. If you see a polar bear, you're

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:05.920
<v Speaker 3>fucking dead.

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:09.199
<v Speaker 2>But I've unfortunately done that poem maybe seven times on

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:09.880
<v Speaker 2>this podcast.

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 3>That was really proud that I learned it, so I

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 3>probably only know it from you.

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:15.639
<v Speaker 1>But I was like, at least with bears, there's a

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.119
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a key with men, we just don't know.

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 2>And then a bunch of the men in the comments

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:22.679
<v Speaker 2>are offended. They're like, I can't believe this is what

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 2>we think of all the good guys out there. And okay, well,

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 2>it's also not about it's a question and this is

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>what the women picked. There's no argument, like you could

0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 2>pick bear. You guys can pick bear, Like that's the game.

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 2>You pick one or the other, and that's your personal reasoning.

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 2>This isn't like an academic study that's trying to be

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 2>proven for everyone. And if you would rather fight a man,

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 2>that's great, that's great. Maybe you do Kravma God, you

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean.

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, Ronda Rousey, I'm sure is picking man? Yes, yes,

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 3>Like I'm sure.

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:56.680
<v Speaker 2>If you're a dude who knows how to be in

0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 2>the work, maybe you'd pick a man. I'm just saying,

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>experts in sex crimes, I would say bear.

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Bear, bear maybear.

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.240
<v Speaker 2>But if it was a river otter. That would be

0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>a longer discussion.

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 3>No, I can't. We can't get into the rivers.

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Because the river otters also like an incest rape, so

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 2>like the evil river otters, I can't. Oh my god,

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>oh my god. River otters are the men of the

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 2>animal kingdom. I think I just figured it out. They

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:25.840
<v Speaker 2>will steal your baby.

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So okay, we're back to this. We're back to this.

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:35.040
<v Speaker 2>The flow of the river brought her to this place,

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 2>and with the tide she got stuck with all the

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 2>bags in this canal whatever. So Stabler can't admit he's

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 2>wrong though, and he's like, but are we sure she

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.879
<v Speaker 2>wasn't killed down there? And I really it's one of

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 2>my biggest pet peeves when the detectives do not listen

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 2>to the evidence and the other experts like it bothers

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 2>the shit out of me. And Finn's like, okay, even

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 2>if she did and was killed there, it wasn't Jesse.

0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 3>We have security cam footage of him.

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 2>He's passed out sleeping outside of Adega till ten thirty

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 2>in the morning.

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 3>She was found at ten am. So we visit Melinda and.

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 2>We find out that she was killed with something made

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.640
<v Speaker 2>of wood, and there's splinters in her scalp from rough

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 2>hone oak.

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, maybe I wrote it wrong.

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 2>So it's some kind of oak, So from either a

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Homer model or construction site is what Melinda thinks. And

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 2>she was wrong about the scarring for earlier. It's not

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 2>just of use. It's an improperly healed female circumcision.

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 3>This girl was mutilated.

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 2>Then we get a learning info from Melinda that one

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:35.360
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty million other women also have this in Africa,

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>the Middle Eastern parts of Asia, done safely, and the

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>best case scenario is a woman loses all sexual sensation,

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 2>but many of these women die from infection. And Stabler,

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 2>like us, probably doesn't even understand why a woman would

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 2>agree to this. And he's the voice of the people here.

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Melinda says, tradition, which the Internet calls peer pressure from

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 2>the past.

0:28:57.360 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 3>So fuck you.

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>That is a great name for tradition in a lot

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 1>of cases, just the past peer pressuring you.

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, is that nice? I don't know you talk with it,

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 3>but I that's all it is. Yeah?

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Why because because someone said so, Someone who died two

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred years ago said so.

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, It's like we don't even remember two generations AGO's names.

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 2>But we have to like cut off our clips like

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 2>it's crazy. So and honestly you can write so us.

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 2>I will not be culturally sensitive at all. When I

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 2>talk about general mutilation, I think, are you going to

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:34.719
<v Speaker 2>get into it?

0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 3>No you're not? Oh okay, not eat into a deep dive.

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think so. No, because I talked about

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>a couple. No, no, no, I got into a specific case. No, no, no,

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I will not be touching on that. Also, other episodes

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 1>of the show have touched on this as well, right,

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>they love talking about this on this show.

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, because I think it's just something that is hard

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 2>to get behind.

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know you don't want to eat pork.

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 2>I can understand you want to cut off your daughter's clip.

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 2>I have a few questions, like I don't I don't.

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah, but I mean I guess people like would

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 1>would say, well, what about circumcision, and it's like yeah,

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>But for I feel like it's everyone's gonna come because like,

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I watched a documentary the same way, right, Well,

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 1>they might Okay, I did watch a Netflix had a

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>male circumcision documentary.

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 3>I obviously watched it.

0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, a lot of the men are like white

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>dudes who don't have a struggle, so they they're like

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 2>out there marching and being like someone took the tip

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>of my dick off, you know, like they really want

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 2>to feel like they've been wrong in this world.

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 3>I I think a lot.

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Of people don't do it anymore, Like for a lot

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 2>of ours and stuff, like, I think it's kind of

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 2>old school. One of our friends used to say, like

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.680
<v Speaker 2>all her friends were casually Jewish until they had a boy,

0:30:57.720 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 2>and then it's like, well, I'm Jewish. I have to

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I have to chop up dick. Like you don't keep

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 2>koshert you don't do the holidays, you don't temple, You're

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 2>like gott to, I have to do it. I mean,

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 2>for Clinn Liz, I think it's I mean, one of

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 2>the theories I heard in the dock was that the

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 2>trauma does stay within the babies, and that's why men

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 2>are our animals because they have all this rage from

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 2>their baby's circumcisions.

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 3>Like that, it does fuck the.

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Nervous system and stuff, but you can still have sexual pleasure.

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Like any argument that compares the two is false.

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Equivalency to prove some sort of point because you can come.

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 3>You can come. It is not fuck up your life.

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't think little boys are dying across the globe

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 2>from this from infections. It's not happening to you strapped

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 2>down at thirteen. But you you receive pleasure still at

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day. One is you will never

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 2>get pleasure from sex, and that is what our society

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 2>needs from you. Or listen, now, you don't have to

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 2>clean under this extra thing of sk you disgusting animal.

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, you know that.

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>But my thing that's wild is like most of the

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 2>world has foreskin, yes, and it's just a Jewish thing.

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 2>So I don't understand why America took like seventy percent

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 2>of America's circumcise. So like, I don't understand why the

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Americans took it on so hard when no one else

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 2>does anywhere in the world.

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean I have read about how like in like

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the like eighteen hundreds or something like one of the Louis,

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 1>one of the kings had famosis, which is basically when

0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 1>your foreskin will not retract, and that's very painful. So

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if like that was more common and so

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>people were just like, oh, let's just do circumcisions to

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>avoid femosis. But I don't know, you're it is like

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>a trend that caught on. But now I would say

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>I would say it's more fifty to fifty now, like

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 1>for new babies that are coming into the world, I

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>would say fifty percent of people.

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 3>I know are doing it. In fifty percent are in

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 3>I know an adult man who did it a few

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 3>years ago. Yeah, we yeah, you told me this person. Yeah.

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 1>But like the other thing is too is like when

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I it's I don't know whether it's East coast west coast,

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>because on the West coast, it's like none of my

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 1>friends are doing it. When I talked to my whole

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 1>group of college girlfriends, I was like, did you because

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about it for when I if I

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>had a boy, I was like, did you guys do circumcisions?

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>They were like, who doesn't do circumcision? Like they don't

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>know anyone who doesn't do it, and they're all just

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>like living in the Northeast, so weird.

0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know the wasps, they like it, they

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 2>like it, they like it.

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, my brother spoke to a pediatric urologist who like

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 1>recommended it, who recommended it for him because my my brother,

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>yeah for it, not for his for his son, not

0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 1>for him.

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about all your other brothers except for

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 2>that one, and I could not it could I didn't

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 2>understand what was happening. And then I was like, oh, yeah,

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 2>there is one more in North Carolina. Yes, It's like,

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck? Why don't they want you to tell that? Listen,

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>have we gotten on a couple of sides here?

0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 3>We have?

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 1>We have?

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:08.320
<v Speaker 2>And I just think it's also like bread from different

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 2>places if we're trying to compare the two. Yeah, this

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.160
<v Speaker 2>is this comes out of like control. It's you know,

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:22.839
<v Speaker 2>it is bad. It's really her yeah agree, so yeah,

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 2>but basically she's saying men won't even court women unless

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 2>they feel no pressure. I mean the whole body. We

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 2>talk about this all the time. This is like the

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 2>core energy of why men are such predators so often

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 2>is like they don't care what the woman wants. Yeah,

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 2>and this is it, like they don't want a woman

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 2>to get pleasure from sex, and that means you're an

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:49.359
<v Speaker 2>actual woman that you can court, Like that's the court,

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Like that's awful.

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you're essentially just like a receptacle for men's

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:55.320
<v Speaker 1>pleasure and for having children.

0:34:56.080 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why it's fucking different than you know what

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it comes from grossness. Yeah, oh god,

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 2>why are we doing all the stoning and circumcision episodes?

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Really back to that, we really are? They really come

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 2>at us quick? Okay, so they won't they won't court

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:24.799
<v Speaker 2>women if they can feel pleasure. She also is like,

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 2>I think this happened in the past six months, and

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 2>it is possible that happened in the States because around

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 2>two hundred thousand immigrant girls are at risk even though

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 2>it is illegal in the States. So Stabler, well, also

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 2>with the mail circums, it can go wrong. Yes, and

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 2>I think that's like another thing where it's like.

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:44.200
<v Speaker 1>You're one of our One of our first episodes about

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 1>the twins was a circumcision going wrong.

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 2>So Stabler has a friend in immigration, so we go

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 2>visit Agent Williams to get some information on if this

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 2>girl could be one of the two hundred thousand immigrant

0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 2>girls who this happens to in the States, and it's flirty, flirty, Okay.

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Williams is into him, and then surprised. She goes, wow,

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 2>hadn't heard from you in a while. Oh my god.

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.360
<v Speaker 2>So she's like going through the fingerprints and he drops

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:14.240
<v Speaker 2>the bomb that he got together back together with his wife,

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:16.799
<v Speaker 2>and Benson looks like, oh my god, hey get me

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 2>out of here.

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 3>This is a lot. And then the girl Williams is.

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:23.800
<v Speaker 2>So humiliated because they clearly were fucking during his break.

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 2>So but we do get a match, and the match

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 2>is nikkiel Colombay from Nigeria and she's fifteen and she's

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 2>here in a ninety day family visa that expired six

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.759
<v Speaker 2>months ago. Her aunt is a sponsor, and her name

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 2>is Mira Atume on East one twenty fourth Street and

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Frederick Douglas. So they go off and they're at a

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Nigerian craft storefront kind of vibe, and the girl at

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 2>the front's like, hey, she's actually busy. You can come

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:52.800
<v Speaker 2>back later. And they're like, we hear a girl crying,

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 2>turn down the fucking music. And now we hear a

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 2>girl full on screaming, and she's screaming, no stop, I

0:36:58.160 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 2>don't want to do this.

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 3>So I think that's another thing that's yeah, right.

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Even though a baby can't say no, but I feel

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:09.399
<v Speaker 2>like a teen screaming is the thing.

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:09.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.759
<v Speaker 2>So then the front desk girl is like, stop, don't

0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 2>go there, but doesn't actually try to stop them and

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 2>like at all, like it's so funny.

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>She's just like, please stop, don't go in there, in there,

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 1>like in every secretary on this show ever. And so

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 1>then they enter the circumcision moment. There's a lot of candles.

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 2>The women are holding the girl down screaming, and the

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>ants like I'm not done yet, and they're like, oh

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 2>you are, lady, shut the fuck up, and so we're

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 2>in cement room bars. She doesn't really deserve much better

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 2>than that, and she doesn't see what the big deal is.

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 2>She's like, well, you know what's up. Why can't we

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 2>chop off parts of a young girl's body? Just millions

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 2>of other girls do it, so why not? And Sailor goes, well,

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 2>welcome to the twenty first century, bitch and mutilation is

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 2>a Class E felony and a federal crime. And she

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 2>thinks it's fine because she's trained and compares herself to

0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 2>the circumcision rabbi, so she's under the same umbrella. But also,

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 2>remember when the rumors came out about all the circumcision

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 2>rabbis giving her bees to babies with their little mouths.

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, I wish that there wasn't the kissing of

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:12.400
<v Speaker 1>it part, or the licking of the I don't think

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:12.960
<v Speaker 1>there is.

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 2>I think that's just the perverts that you know, they

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.839
<v Speaker 2>would get along with this woman. Yeah, all of this

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 2>is creepy. I just I don't know. I don't I

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 2>really hate all of this. Basically, they go, no, we

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 2>we hate you. So tell us about Nikki al and

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 2>she says I don't know her, and they're like, well,

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 2>you're listed as her aunt, so why are you lying?

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 2>And then she hears that she is dead, and she

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 2>is in shock. She moves so slowly she starts to cry.

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 2>She is actually very sad. She can barely speak. She

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>says she hasn't seen Nikki for months, and he goes, oh,

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 2>from when you mutilated her, and she screams she wanted it.

0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:49.880
<v Speaker 2>It was time for her to become a woman. And

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:53.799
<v Speaker 2>Benson screams, she was a child. The ant screams maybe

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 2>in America, but in Nigeria fifteen, these girls have seen

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 2>a lifetime. Benson leans in with her sweet bang extreme

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 2>back up cut and says, Oh, we're gonna find out

0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:04.480
<v Speaker 2>all the girls you did this too, and we're gonna

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 2>get your ass. Have fun being in jail for life.

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Sailors like, maybe the court will be Leniya if you

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:12.720
<v Speaker 2>help us ound. She asks how, and it's quite simple.

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 2>We just need Nikki's address, so I guess then you're free.

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:16.720
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:18.759
<v Speaker 2>So we're at home at one hundred and sixty eighth

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Street and I'm trying to think of like other things

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.720
<v Speaker 2>like genital mutilation that I'm that doesn't make me as angry,

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 2>but I can't think of anything like other cultural shit

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 2>where I'm like, this sucks.

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's probably the worst. I mean, yeah, I don't know.

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just trying to see if I'm a hypocrite anywhere,

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and like I'm just trying to figure it out, and

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:41.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Lisa is showing me a full length Taylor Swift balloon. Taylor,

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 1>it's lacid, it has it's so floating since Saint Patrick's

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:55.800
<v Speaker 1>say it, well, it never floated. Oh, but this is

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.160
<v Speaker 1>a month and a half balloon that's still in wa

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 1>hold put it back. I'm gonna take a screen shot.

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 1>We just show everybody put this up. When this episode

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 1>comes out Tailor Lisa and her tailor balloon. It's helping

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:09.360
<v Speaker 1>cleanse the palette from this female circumcision conversation.

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 3>All right, So we go to the house.

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.759
<v Speaker 2>It's at one hundred and sixty eighth Street and if

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 2>you remember, you know it's it seems like she was

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 2>dropped one hundred and sixty ninth by the cable being

0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 2>cut off.

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 3>So we're in the area.

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 2>A short haired woman with gold hoops lets them in,

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 2>and she seems stressed and anxious, but she does admit

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 2>to knowing who Nicky is.

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 3>She's like, yes, I know, Niki is Niki? All right?

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 2>She's like, Nicki lives here, and then she starts screaming

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:38.320
<v Speaker 2>where is Nicki? So you know, she gets explained that

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Nicki is dead. And then we do hear a door

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 2>slam in the back, so Benson starts jogging from the inside.

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Stabler runs outside to catch this man on the outside.

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 2>He's climbing us, so Matt Wall, he's hopping, he's rolling.

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 2>This is like a very intense physical movement scene. He's

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 2>surrounded by Benson and Stabler in the car in a

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 2>car park area. His hand is broken and fucked, so

0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:58.919
<v Speaker 2>he can't put both arms up, so he's pleading. He's

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 2>very scared. He's like, please shoot me. My arm is fucked.

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 2>But so Ben, so whatever. They listen to him, but

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:08.720
<v Speaker 2>very mean. Stabler to Benson's like he moves shoot him

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.320
<v Speaker 2>but and then he keeps being like, my arm is broken.

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:11.800
<v Speaker 3>It hurts.

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Stop but Stabler just up takes it to the back

0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 2>anyways to handcuf it fully. So the guy's name is

0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:21.919
<v Speaker 2>Chuck Way, but but Tommy Chuck Way. And he says

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 2>he didn't do anything to her, and he says that

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 2>is my wife, and Benson and Stabler are like fuck.

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 2>This gets even deeper, and then Chuck Way goes, yes,

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 2>this is my wife. They're at the Morgan now and

0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 2>he wants to touch her and Benson and Stabler won't

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:36.240
<v Speaker 2>let him. And he's like, I loved her so much,

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:39.839
<v Speaker 2>and you know, they're like, she's fifteen, and he goes, well,

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 2>it's legal in New York to marry at fourteen, and

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 2>they say yeah with a judge. And he's like, listen,

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 2>I have all the needed papers, I have everything. And

0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 2>then he goes, are you going to interrogate me in

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 2>front of my dead wife. Good point. So they go

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 2>to cement room bars. Yeah, they go to cement room bars,

0:41:57.200 --> 0:41:59.440
<v Speaker 2>and Benson is cold blooded. Your dead wife is a

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:02.799
<v Speaker 2>fifteen year girl you mutilated. He said she wanted it.

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:05.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is I just that's that's what's driving

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 2>me crazy too, Like everyone just going, she really wanted

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>to do this, like she has a full understanding, Like

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:11.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:13.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, it's kind.

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Of like when people are like, yeah, but if you

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:19.319
<v Speaker 2>choose to be covered head to toe her, if you

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:21.439
<v Speaker 2>choose to stay at home, or you choose all these things,

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 2>then it should be about choice. But we're denying the

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 2>reality that they don't actually have a choice because if

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:29.360
<v Speaker 2>you don't live that lifesele, you're like kicked out of

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>your family, or you can't be in the like you

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 2>don't know any different. There's just so many things where

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 2>we pretend it's choice.

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:38.880
<v Speaker 1>But then also it's been a bit of a brainwashing

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 1>since birth that this is what's going to happen when

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:42.279
<v Speaker 1>you become a woman, and don't you want to become

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 1>a woman, and this and that, like she probably didn't

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:48.279
<v Speaker 1>know what it was until it was actually happening to her,

0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, agree, it's it's like an illusion of choice to

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:56.880
<v Speaker 2>defend these things, and yeah, they don't actually have choice,

0:42:56.880 --> 0:43:01.759
<v Speaker 2>so stop it. Okay, so you know, but he goes,

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 2>you can't force Nikki to do anything, and then they go, well,

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 2>someone forced her into the river, so they're really being

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 2>funny about this, really a sad situation.

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:12.360
<v Speaker 3>Sabler does a theory.

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.239
<v Speaker 2>He goes, you brought a fourteen year old over here

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 2>to marry her, and she realizes, fuck, I don't want

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 2>to be with you, and she tried to escape and

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:20.120
<v Speaker 2>you killed her. And he's like, I have a non

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 2>working arm in what world? Benson goes, well, your right

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:26.279
<v Speaker 2>arm looks pretty good. He's shocked. He's dumbfounded, and he goes,

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:28.839
<v Speaker 2>you know what, lawyer. They keep trying to talk to him,

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:30.960
<v Speaker 2>so Craigan breaks in and goes, you need to leave,

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 2>but he does warn Chuck Way. They're like, He's like,

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 2>we have a warrant, so we will be searching your home.

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Craigan is like, his alibi checked out. He's found entering

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 2>a shop at seven am. But the detectives are like,

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 2>he could do it. All this is bs and his

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:46.439
<v Speaker 2>house is two blocks from where the cable was cut.

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Craigan goes he asks for a lawyer, and Benson's like, yeah,

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.959
<v Speaker 2>but we could still hold him. Craigan asks on what

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:55.879
<v Speaker 2>very page disorbo do you do? You don't watch Summer House,

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 2>do you?

0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 1>I was, I just was watching a little bit of it,

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>but I wouldn't know every all. Oh, okay, but so

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Danielle is crazy.

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 2>We've learned over the past few years and it is

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:06.839
<v Speaker 2>what it is.

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 3>So she also just needs male attention.

0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:13.000
<v Speaker 2>And there was like a hot guy Gabby wanted to

0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:15.359
<v Speaker 2>flirt and Danielle wanted to make it a competition and

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:18.759
<v Speaker 2>she like fucked him, right. But because of that and alcohol,

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Gabby is crying in the shower of like everyone's putting brotherure.

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 3>On me for this episode.

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:26.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So then Paige is like, hey, you made your

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 2>friend cry, like go talk to her, and Danielle's like,

0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:34.440
<v Speaker 2>that's stupid. And then Danielle goes as an entrepreneur and CEO,

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 2>I need to communicate effect, and then Paige in her

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 2>confessional goes entrepreneur and CEO of what I ask of what?

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.960
<v Speaker 3>And it's just like iconic, it really is.

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 2>You know what's great about this podcast is you can

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 2>see my mind change throughout it all the time.

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm always learning, you're always open.

0:44:56.280 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Your ability to jump from female's circumcision to summerhouse is unparallel.

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 3>No one does it like you.

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I meant like changing my opinions throughout the years, but

0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:10.799
<v Speaker 2>also topic jumping for sure.

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:15.360
<v Speaker 3>Yes, we're all learning, we're all growing. Opinions can change.

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 2>So they're basically like, well for sexual abuse and dangering

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 2>the welfare of a child, take your pick, statutory rape, YadA, YadA.

0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Finn and Lake are tossing the home and they find

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:29.440
<v Speaker 2>out that the marriage was real and there's consolate papers

0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 2>to prove. It's November twenty six, so I'm assuming around

0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving and Finn is bonding with the short hair woman

0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:37.239
<v Speaker 2>from earlier. She makes him take his shoes off and

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 2>she needs to cover all the mirrors. So she's a

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 2>superstitious girl like I am. And so then she says

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.879
<v Speaker 2>she is Almani Chuck Way's cousin. And there's all these

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 2>kids running around spinning playing and one of the girls goes,

0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I want pudding. They're like, not now, you'll get pudding later.

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:57.799
<v Speaker 2>Do you not see our house getting ransacked right now?

0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Like to ask for putting got a good for pudding.

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 2>She explains her and Nikki run a daycare to help

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 2>with the rent, and those are just some random girls.

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Chester Lake does find something and it's a lot of

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:13.400
<v Speaker 2>beautiful statues made out of woodworking and Chuck Way did it,

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:15.200
<v Speaker 2>but he had a broken hand, So what's going on?

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:16.680
<v Speaker 2>And then they're like, oh my god, what kind of

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 2>what is this? It could be a match. So a

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:21.120
<v Speaker 2>boy rocks in right at that moment with a gant.

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:23.239
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the craziest storylines of all time,

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I would say. So a boy walks in in a

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:30.720
<v Speaker 2>giant T shirt that says lie or die. Almani flips

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 2>out and makes him take it off, and it's like,

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 2>that's suspicious, like it could have just gone unnoticed. She

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 2>takes it off hi, but it catches Finn's eye. He

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:41.680
<v Speaker 2>wants to know where it's from, but the boy just goes,

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if from a big man. I have

0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:45.759
<v Speaker 2>no idea. He just wants to go play. So then

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:47.799
<v Speaker 2>they ask Almani. They're like, who is making you lie?

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 2>And she goes, I don't know, I gotta go sorry,

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.320
<v Speaker 2>and then she runs off and Finn's like, I actually

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 2>know where this T shirt's from. So they go to

0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 2>the street vendor and it's Earwax sky Sbu Royalty.

0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Amazing. I thought he is the wax guy.

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:03.719
<v Speaker 2>This, yes, so because he's played lots of different characters,

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:07.280
<v Speaker 2>but this is wax guy coming back because they call him.

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Waxman, which I think when we saw him in name

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:11.160
<v Speaker 1>in name, He's.

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Like, oh, it's ridiculous.

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 1>It's ridiculous with the wax, Like, we knew he'd been

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 1>all these different parts, but I don't think we knew

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:18.439
<v Speaker 1>that he had comes back as waks.

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 5>Me.

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:19.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you're right.

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 2>No, this was a thrill when I heard wax come

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.880
<v Speaker 2>out of one of their mouths. So basically, this guy

0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:27.560
<v Speaker 2>has blonde, long hair. We got to get him on

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 2>the pod. We gotta find another episode he's in because

0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I love this guy. He loves freedom of speech. They

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 2>want him to rat and snitch. He goes, are you

0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.520
<v Speaker 2>kidding me? Like, look at my T shirt? This is crazy.

0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:39.399
<v Speaker 2>You would even ask me? My sales would go down,

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:42.759
<v Speaker 2>so Lake and chuccul to do the classic Fine, well

0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:44.560
<v Speaker 2>we'll just hang out all day. I wonder how two

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 2>cops standing at your table will do for your sales.

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:51.040
<v Speaker 2>He goes, listen, everyone is down with the stop snitching movement.

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:54.319
<v Speaker 2>I can't even say it with a streamage. Okay, he's

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:56.319
<v Speaker 2>like this, I'm the tip of the iceberg. There's big

0:47:56.400 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>bucks coming from a website called stinkin rat dot com. Okay,

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:03.280
<v Speaker 2>so this is a site that rats out the rats.

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:06.239
<v Speaker 2>And Munch is in front of six TV screens. There's

0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 2>photos of cables. The website her alive, her dead, and

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:12.200
<v Speaker 2>then they report and so this website reports and ducks rats.

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Chuck Way is on the site. He is a key

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:18.120
<v Speaker 2>witness in Dennis Harold King's murder trial. So okay, so

0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 2>this is played by method Man and he is incredible.

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:24.600
<v Speaker 2>And I just went on his IMDb for a moment

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:28.040
<v Speaker 2>and he has one hundred and thirty one credits of acting.

0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:30.240
<v Speaker 3>I did not know this. That is wild.

0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean some of these credits are podcast voiceover.

0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he's done seventeen episodes of The Deuce, there's

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:39.640
<v Speaker 2>thirty episodes of The Powers.

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:42.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Godfather of Harlem. He's been on Michael Chase Show.

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean he he also is sometimes credited as Cliff

0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:50.600
<v Speaker 1>quote method Man, end quote Smith so but Mark.

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 2>But those are usually you're playing yourself. Those are himself.

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:58.520
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like that's a different category, like he

0:48:58.960 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 2>might still be playing.

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like in The Duke.

0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:04.560
<v Speaker 1>He's in seventeen episodes in The Deuce as Rodney, as

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 1>a character named Rodney. No, for sure, I'm just saying that, Like,

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:11.919
<v Speaker 1>you know how James Vanderbeek played James Vanderbeek in Don't

0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Trust the Bee and Apartment twenty three.

0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:15.319
<v Speaker 3>That's still an acting role.

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:15.919
<v Speaker 5>Sure.

0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Him on the Tonight Show is like him as himself.

0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:20.759
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like, but this is my favorite. It

0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:23.880
<v Speaker 2>says orange is the new black cardboard cutout credit only.

0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:28.680
<v Speaker 3>I love that. Yeah, and a bunch of these are

0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:30.240
<v Speaker 3>like blue black videos.

0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:33.280
<v Speaker 1>But he's also been in like movies The Good Wife CSI,

0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:34.840
<v Speaker 1>four episodes of CSI.

0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 3>He was in Difficult People like This is Not. He

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 3>was in The Wire. He was in thirteen episodes of

0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 3>the Wire as Melvin Cheese Wagstaff.

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:47.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, and he's in Keanu, the movie I famously took

0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:52.080
<v Speaker 2>my small niece and nephews too. That was a full

0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 2>stripper cocaine sword nightmare. I'm not so funny, It's so

0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 2>fucking funny.

0:49:58.120 --> 0:49:58.760
<v Speaker 3>Just listen.

0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:02.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like really excited, and I just was ignorant

0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:06.919
<v Speaker 2>to the fact that Medman method Man is just killing it.

0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Oz, he's been acting for such a

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 2>long time.

0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, what's he up to right now? Well, I

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:16.920
<v Speaker 3>mean his IMDb's got pictures of him in like a suit.

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 3>He's probably played all different guns.

0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's Power five upcoming, oh, PowerBook two Ghosts. Yeah,

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 1>he's got five things in the upcoming section.

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 3>Dude, he's working.

0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're back, But I just I'm so excited about

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 2>method Man. We haven't even met him yet. I'm just

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:37.560
<v Speaker 2>saying that he is played by method Man. We don't

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:41.240
<v Speaker 2>even know that yet. Anyway, he's a Harlem drug dealer,

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.120
<v Speaker 2>He's a business guy. Stabler does call him a thug.

0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:47.120
<v Speaker 2>And then we know that he beat up a sixteen

0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:50.279
<v Speaker 2>year old boy named Damon Moore, who I guess looked

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:52.399
<v Speaker 2>at his girlfriend the wrong way. And then so two

0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:55.440
<v Speaker 2>days ago, Chuck Way's name was posted on the site,

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:58.759
<v Speaker 2>and twenty eight other people saw King beat Moore, but

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.600
<v Speaker 2>only Chuck Way and a guy named Tony Torres came forward.

0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:03.799
<v Speaker 2>Tony did it as a part of a plea deal

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:06.839
<v Speaker 2>for drug crimes in a day after his info was posted.

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:07.839
<v Speaker 3>On the site, he was found dead.

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Munch goes, wait, so this whole time, Chuck Way's on

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:14.400
<v Speaker 2>our side, He's been helping us, he was going to testify,

0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:17.799
<v Speaker 2>and so like maybe King killed Nikki to shut him up.

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Craigan walks in and Chuckway's attorney is here. Her name

0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:23.680
<v Speaker 2>is Sarah Flint and she's with West African Legal Services.

0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:27.120
<v Speaker 2>She is blonde and angry and in the blinds woodroom

0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 2>talking sternly to Olivia and she wants them to stop

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 2>harressing her client.

0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:33.080
<v Speaker 3>He is burying his wife today. Good point.

0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:36.399
<v Speaker 1>I know this woman from nine oh to one zero

0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:39.360
<v Speaker 1>original just steph Yi. That's where she popped out for me.

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:41.480
<v Speaker 1>She used to do a lot of more acting and

0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Tracy Mittendorf and I. She had a big arc on Nino.

0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:49.440
<v Speaker 3>Amazing for the Olds.

0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:54.200
<v Speaker 2>She's like, Oh, you know what, I just realized that

0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:56.399
<v Speaker 2>my dad is not a boomer. My dad is from

0:51:56.400 --> 0:52:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the Silent generation. Oh yeah, he's pre boomer.

0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wild saying yeah, but he must be cusp right, like,

0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:10.839
<v Speaker 1>because my parents are boomers and they're not that much

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:11.880
<v Speaker 1>younger than your parents.

0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:14.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah he's eighty six.

0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my dad's nine years younger than your dad, and

0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:20.359
<v Speaker 1>my dad's squarely boomer. So I don't know, maybe he's

0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:21.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe he's a silent boomer.

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:22.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:26.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the Yeah, but the differences are within

0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 2>a few years.

0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know what I mean?

0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, I myself, I'm on a cusp of generations.

0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm a millennial. I feel more connected to millennials.

0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I don't feel gen X, but like you know,

0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:44.360
<v Speaker 1>my birthday is like truly so close to the cutoff line.

0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:46.280
<v Speaker 1>But I think most people say I'm millennial.

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:47.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:51.759
<v Speaker 2>So she's like, okay, I mean, no, one's confused at

0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:59.239
<v Speaker 2>what I am. Okay, sorry to move on. But so

0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:03.120
<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh, but him running away is a red flag,

0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:07.120
<v Speaker 2>and she explains, duh, he's scared of the police. He's

0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:10.640
<v Speaker 2>a political prisoner from back home. And Stabler implies that

0:53:10.680 --> 0:53:13.440
<v Speaker 2>he was lying, and she's like, I know that he

0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:16.000
<v Speaker 2>was because I was working there with Human Rights Watch,

0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:18.760
<v Speaker 2>you fuck head. He's not some liar who spun a tail.

0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:22.200
<v Speaker 2>I was there. He protested against the government because he

0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:24.920
<v Speaker 2>wanted them to stop dumping refinery waste on his farm.

0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:27.279
<v Speaker 2>They put him to jail, they beat him till his

0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:30.080
<v Speaker 2>arm was fucked and they took his land. Stabler makes

0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:32.200
<v Speaker 2>it all about him and is like, okay, sure, but

0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:34.640
<v Speaker 2>he needs to put king away because we need that

0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:36.719
<v Speaker 2>to happen, or worse things are going to happen to him.

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.280
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, what can we do to make him testify?

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:41.400
<v Speaker 2>And she goes, I don't know, give him facial surgery

0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:44.759
<v Speaker 2>and move him to Scottsdale and she needs to go

0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:47.080
<v Speaker 2>to Nicky's funeral and they offer her a ride. So

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:49.320
<v Speaker 2>they're at the cemetery and during the walk to the funeral,

0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:51.080
<v Speaker 2>they find a time to make a walk and talk

0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:54.040
<v Speaker 2>to get more information. Nicki and Chuck Way met over

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:56.560
<v Speaker 2>the phone. It was an arranged marriage, but it wasn't romantic.

0:53:56.600 --> 0:54:00.560
<v Speaker 2>It was about survival. Christians were where she was, We're

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 2>getting fucked up and so like after her sisters were

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:07.439
<v Speaker 2>raped and murdered. He agreed to marry her to bring

0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:10.399
<v Speaker 2>her over to the States, and the detectives stay back

0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:13.000
<v Speaker 2>by the trees to let everyone worn in peace, and

0:54:13.080 --> 0:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Chuck Waite does not like this and walks over to

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Sarah and then to the cops and says, you are

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.400
<v Speaker 2>not welcome here. You put my family through enough, and

0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:22.520
<v Speaker 2>so Sarah goes, no, they're actually trying to help us

0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:24.359
<v Speaker 2>now and find out who did this, and he goes, oh,

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:27.360
<v Speaker 2>you want evidence against king? Look over there. So we

0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:30.000
<v Speaker 2>look and they're at a grade stone paying respect. So

0:54:30.040 --> 0:54:32.440
<v Speaker 2>it's Method of Man plus five of his friends and

0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:34.600
<v Speaker 2>he knows he isn't breaking the law, but they arrest

0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:38.080
<v Speaker 2>him anyways for interrupting a funeral. Okay, so his friends

0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:39.920
<v Speaker 2>do not like this. And now we meet friend of

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:42.600
<v Speaker 2>the pod Stephen Weber. He's a bad guy lawyer here

0:54:42.760 --> 0:54:45.319
<v Speaker 2>and he truly made a really big impression on us.

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:46.920
<v Speaker 2>If you'd like to listen to that episode.

0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:51.000
<v Speaker 1>There's also a thing where Stephen Weber defends Method Man

0:54:51.040 --> 0:54:55.359
<v Speaker 1>and Ludacrous. So he's got more than one rapper on

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<v Speaker 1>his you know.

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<v Speaker 2>N sca little Yeah, you know I got you got

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<v Speaker 2>a murder mystery game and we've never played it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet.

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<v Speaker 3>You donated it. No, I have it. I have it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ready to play. I bet you gave it to

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<v Speaker 3>someone on the block.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I have it absolutely in our game cabinet. Yes

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<v Speaker 1>you know I have.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I still have this fucking board game that I've

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:24.960
<v Speaker 2>not played. One time haunts me.

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<v Speaker 1>You tried to sell that at a sale.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been trying to get rid of this forever,

0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:34.320
<v Speaker 2>and now at this point she's really survived. It's a game.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the elevens. Is the card game of morning tea.

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<v Speaker 2>So I brought up to New York, made it to

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<v Speaker 2>New York.

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<v Speaker 3>Baby, you better be playing that over t asap.

0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:47.719
<v Speaker 2>The whole point of the game is you are respectable

0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:51.239
<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty socialites striving to serve the finest morning tea.

0:55:52.000 --> 0:56:01.040
<v Speaker 2>So pretty cool, pretty cool game, Pretty cool game. Oh whatever,

0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:03.960
<v Speaker 2>So they're playing games too, you know Stephen Webber, who

0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:06.800
<v Speaker 2>I kept writing Cooper for forever for some reasons. But

0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Weber and mister method Man are very smug. He says,

0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:13.440
<v Speaker 2>listen where I come from. Rats suck, And then he

0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:15.320
<v Speaker 2>tells a story of a woman having the word snitch

0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:17.520
<v Speaker 2>burdened into her face and I don't like to hear

0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:19.719
<v Speaker 2>the story. And they go, so what did Nikki do?

0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:22.560
<v Speaker 2>And Weber goes, don't answer that, and Sailor goes, why

0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:25.240
<v Speaker 2>were you at the funeral? And basically method Man says

0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:27.840
<v Speaker 2>he was there to show respects to a friend that

0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:31.160
<v Speaker 2>was killed by the cops. Steven Weber opens his briefcase

0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:33.399
<v Speaker 2>and there's photos, like, hey, this is this Guy's name

0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:34.040
<v Speaker 2>is Reggie.

0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:35.320
<v Speaker 3>He was shot by the cops.

0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Here's the death certificate, the gravestone number where my client

0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:40.960
<v Speaker 2>was praying, and that's pretty fucking good.

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Damn, he's worth every penny.

0:56:42.960 --> 0:56:46.360
<v Speaker 2>So Gloria Reuben walks in and it seems like Stephen

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Weber wants to fuck her real bad, like he is

0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:54.000
<v Speaker 2>into her. And she's playing Adya Danielson homicide beeraut Chief

0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:56.479
<v Speaker 2>and she's wearing a boot with a bare naked foot

0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 2>in it, and she is injured and I'm sure that

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:01.040
<v Speaker 2>she was actually in and they put this in like

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:03.799
<v Speaker 2>there's no reason for her barefoot booth to boot to

0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:07.359
<v Speaker 2>be out. So he gets up and he basically goes Mike,

0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:08.360
<v Speaker 2>client and I are leaving.

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:09.520
<v Speaker 3>There are no charges.

0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:12.080
<v Speaker 2>She goes, maybe not for intimidation, but he did violate

0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:14.800
<v Speaker 2>an order of protection. You can't get closer to chuckway

0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:18.360
<v Speaker 2>than one hundred feet. He responds, nice booty, and she goes, yeah,

0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:20.920
<v Speaker 2>watch it kick your ass, So like everyone wants to

0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:24.600
<v Speaker 2>fuck her, and then it's done. Don trial method man

0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:27.960
<v Speaker 2>seems unbothered. He's picking at his nails. Weber and Ruban

0:57:28.200 --> 0:57:30.680
<v Speaker 2>are fighting at the bench to the judge, Bam bam,

0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:31.320
<v Speaker 2>back and forth.

0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.560
<v Speaker 3>I want this, I want that. She's kicking his ass.

0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Baylis set at half a million dollars and Chuck Way

0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:38.800
<v Speaker 2>is sitting in the audience area. Method man winks at

0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:41.480
<v Speaker 2>him and sticks his tongue out really fun wise, and

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:44.720
<v Speaker 2>he's being handcuffed and dragged away. So then Chuck Way

0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:48.160
<v Speaker 2>is pretty scared. He's standing at the courtroom steps outside

0:57:48.160 --> 0:57:50.880
<v Speaker 2>and tons of people are wearing the snitching shirts standing there.

0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Stabler run up the stairs to meet Chuck Way.

0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:56.280
<v Speaker 2>They take him in for protected custody and he's like,

0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 2>but what about Almani and Sarah and the children. They go, No,

0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:01.680
<v Speaker 2>only immediate family. He says, they are my immediate family.

0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:04.880
<v Speaker 2>And they start like being super condescending and explaining to

0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:09.080
<v Speaker 2>him what immediate family means in this country. And he's like, yeah,

0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.640
<v Speaker 2>those are my wives and kids. Hello, and he had

0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:14.520
<v Speaker 2>three wives and that's that. We like to get down

0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:17.360
<v Speaker 2>where I'm from. And so then the detectives do a

0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:20.120
<v Speaker 2>cartoon look back and forth at each other with their

0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:22.320
<v Speaker 2>eyes really huge, and so back at the office at

0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:25.440
<v Speaker 2>the vending machines. Benson is like, polygamy is illegal, and

0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Munch goes, yeah, but not in Nigeria. But she wants

0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:31.200
<v Speaker 2>to fucking arrest him. The men are like, no way,

0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:34.280
<v Speaker 2>We're fine with polygamy. And so he's in cement Bar's

0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:38.080
<v Speaker 2>room and Stabler and Benson are chatting and Stabler's like, damn,

0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:40.800
<v Speaker 2>he can get one to three years per wife. Poor guy.

0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Benson shoots him, daggers, poor guy. I find polygamy degrading.

0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Craigan walks in off the phone from the DA's office

0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 2>and they want to know how bad this is, like

0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:53.640
<v Speaker 2>dougs ands of wives, is their incest in breeding? If not,

0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:55.600
<v Speaker 2>we got to do more investigating. They're not going to

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 2>do it for just a few wives. In the meantime,

0:58:57.960 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 2>we do have to still protect him so he can

0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:01.640
<v Speaker 2>test defy in this case, so they take him to

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<v Speaker 2>the safe house.

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<v Speaker 3>Secure him first.

0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:06.320
<v Speaker 2>The DA will hold him and make sure no more surprises,

0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:09.000
<v Speaker 2>and if it's all worked out, move the whole family

0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:11.480
<v Speaker 2>with him. Almani is eating with her kids and Benson

0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:13.120
<v Speaker 2>is there and she's like, we're good, We're a good

0:59:13.160 --> 0:59:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Christian family.

0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:15.320
<v Speaker 3>And the Bible loves.

0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Polygamy, and she's like, we're not different than millions of

0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:20.640
<v Speaker 2>people all around the world. And Sarah thinks that Benson

0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:23.439
<v Speaker 2>needs to be more open minded, and so Stablor pries

0:59:23.520 --> 0:59:25.320
<v Speaker 2>and goes, so you weren't mad when he married Nicki

0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:28.160
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, nope, we both welcomed her into our home,

0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Almani says, because Sarah is a citizen and it helped

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:32.880
<v Speaker 2>her and Nikki get to the US. And so they

0:59:32.880 --> 0:59:35.160
<v Speaker 2>go back and forth, and finally Sarah is like, it

0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:37.320
<v Speaker 2>should be my choice, and you're a boomer, so get

0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:40.320
<v Speaker 2>the fuck out of my face. And then Stabler goes,

0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:42.480
<v Speaker 2>so if you want to marry a cat, and she goes,

0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:46.000
<v Speaker 2>don't make fun of me, detective. So the like, marrying

0:59:46.040 --> 0:59:48.600
<v Speaker 2>a cat is the worst thing that can happen, Like

0:59:48.680 --> 0:59:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I love that. That's everyone's thing. It's always just like, oh,

0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and then what if you marry a sheep. I think

0:59:53.520 --> 0:59:55.840
<v Speaker 2>the sheep doesn't know what's happening because I don't rape

0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:58.200
<v Speaker 2>the sheep. And as long as there's no rape, you

0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:00.640
<v Speaker 2>can marry a sheep. Like, I don't underst how that's

1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:01.720
<v Speaker 2>the big argument.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right, And then the property goes to the sheep

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<v Speaker 3>when you die. I mean, you know it all works.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't think it's that crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole conversation also reminds me of this meme that

1:00:12.040 --> 1:00:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I keep seeing that's like, that's like every cult religious

1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:18.360
<v Speaker 1>cult leader. I've received a message from the Lord, and

1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the Lord is and then it like interrupts and goes

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<v Speaker 1>and I am to have multiple and it's like multiple wives,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I can't do it. But it's like every cult

1:00:25.760 --> 1:00:27.640
<v Speaker 1>leader is like the same. The Lord keeps giving me

1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the same message and it's I am to have many wives,

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<v Speaker 1>like and it just cracks me up. So that keeps

1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:35.000
<v Speaker 1>reminding me of this, like yeah, no, God loves multiple wives.

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<v Speaker 1>He told us somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God.

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<v Speaker 2>But then she starts putting down monogamous relationships and I'm like, okay,

1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:44.240
<v Speaker 2>you're doing the same thing back at them that you

1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:47.160
<v Speaker 2>don't like. She goes, well, men cheat on you anyways,

1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:49.440
<v Speaker 2>so why not just have a ton of wives. And

1:00:49.520 --> 1:00:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Stable and Gloria Rubin are having a meeting

1:00:51.760 --> 1:00:53.720
<v Speaker 2>and she doesn't have enough money to get like a

1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:56.840
<v Speaker 2>car to protect them, and Benson basically they only have

1:00:56.880 --> 1:00:58.000
<v Speaker 2>one point two million.

1:00:57.760 --> 1:00:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Dollars to protect everyone.

1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:02.320
<v Speaker 2>For a whole that needs help, like it's a really

1:01:02.320 --> 1:01:05.960
<v Speaker 2>low budget whatever, and so they want to protect him.

1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Benson goes, you know, we need to put away King

1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:10.200
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, yeah, it's important, and I'll give a

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<v Speaker 2>pass on polygamy. That's what he's getting. And Benson goes, listen,

1:01:13.440 --> 1:01:16.600
<v Speaker 2>I hate polygamy. But he's putting his family life, everything

1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:19.200
<v Speaker 2>on the line, and it's already cost him his wife's life, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to help him out. And they talk about

1:01:21.320 --> 1:01:24.320
<v Speaker 2>money and everyone wants more protection, but the budget and

1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Sailor's like, what should I do?

1:01:25.920 --> 1:01:27.160
<v Speaker 3>What should I tell them, you know?

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<v Speaker 2>And Gloria goes, they should have witnessed a federal crime,

1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:31.160
<v Speaker 2>bigger budgets.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Benson notices on her shelf there's an award for Project

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<v Speaker 2>Protect and there's an alarm pendant hanging on it and

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<v Speaker 2>they used to give it out and she's like, why

1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:42.240
<v Speaker 2>don't you just give me two of these? Is that

1:01:42.280 --> 1:01:44.720
<v Speaker 2>in the budget? And so I can protect the wives.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though she's disgusted with their lifestyle, she does want

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<v Speaker 2>to help them and that's what makes Olivia fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a direct line to SVU. These little pendants.

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<v Speaker 2>So Stabler goes to see Chuck Way at the motel

1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:58.400
<v Speaker 2>that they're put up at, and they start talking to

1:01:58.440 --> 1:02:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the maid in the hallway and oh, door hallway, the

1:02:01.080 --> 1:02:04.400
<v Speaker 2>patio cement hallway. So the family left an hour ago

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<v Speaker 2>and she said it was a whole family and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a mess, but they fucking left. And so he

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<v Speaker 2>calls Benson, who answers the phone and goes, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>know they just walked into the precinct.

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<v Speaker 3>They have.

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<v Speaker 2>They got a note slipped under the door and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a threat to Obi the Sun and he's not going

1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:19.440
<v Speaker 2>to risk his family in safety. So he yells and

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<v Speaker 2>they keep pushing and Stabler is like, the only way

1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:24.920
<v Speaker 2>he walks as if you let him. He says, shut up.

1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:27.479
<v Speaker 2>People like King don't stop. They think they're above the law.

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<v Speaker 2>Silber says, fine, I'll protect you. Let's go. I'll post

1:02:30.520 --> 1:02:33.040
<v Speaker 2>up at your home. He's touched by this decision. He

1:02:33.120 --> 1:02:36.120
<v Speaker 2>needs them safe and he needs his testimony. So, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck Way's on the stand. Method Man and Weber are

1:02:38.680 --> 1:02:42.000
<v Speaker 2>staring him down, and Gloria Rubin that my Google docs

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<v Speaker 2>turned into Florida. Reuben is asking questions and boom, Chuck

1:02:47.520 --> 1:02:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Away changes his mind. He denies seeing anything unusual. Method

1:02:51.120 --> 1:02:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Man has an evil grin, and then Gloria is pissed,

1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:56.600
<v Speaker 2>but chuck Way doesn't care. He is not saying shit.

1:02:57.040 --> 1:02:59.560
<v Speaker 2>It gets wild with objections and threats and pushing, and

1:02:59.600 --> 1:03:01.800
<v Speaker 2>basically the judge tells Gloria, bitch, do you want to

1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:04.880
<v Speaker 2>misstrial or what? So finally he goes, I'm sorry for

1:03:05.000 --> 1:03:07.120
<v Speaker 2>wasting the court's time. I wanted to be a hero,

1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:11.240
<v Speaker 2>but I am not. I didn't see anything. Sailor's pissed.

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<v Speaker 2>He feels betrayed and walks out of the courtroom. Benson

1:03:14.080 --> 1:03:16.520
<v Speaker 2>and Saber are like, fuck, he screwed us. Let's put

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<v Speaker 2>him away for polygamy, contempt, and perjury, and Benson goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's been through enough. Weber walks by, and

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<v Speaker 2>the everyday man standler goes, how do you sleep at night?

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen?

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<v Speaker 2>Webber goes, you're the pusher, You're coursing deals, plea deals,

1:03:29.960 --> 1:03:32.920
<v Speaker 2>you're threatening criminal charges. Fuck you you're not better than me.

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<v Speaker 2>Great fucking point. Methan Man goes in, high fives his

1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:39.280
<v Speaker 2>lawyer and goes, let's go. We're gonna go drink some

1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Christall and so they all leave to party and basically

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<v Speaker 2>they're continuing his bail and the state has twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>hours to find evidence of intimidation. So O'Halleran aka Doyle

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<v Speaker 2>aka baby Doll, he says, So he takes the threatening notes,

1:03:59.480 --> 1:04:02.600
<v Speaker 2>he does printline things. The printer's not a match, YadA, YadA.

1:04:02.640 --> 1:04:05.200
<v Speaker 2>The printer is a match, though with the same papers

1:04:05.200 --> 1:04:08.680
<v Speaker 2>from Chuckway's deposition, and so the note came from his

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<v Speaker 2>home office, but he was in protective custody at the hotel,

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<v Speaker 2>so it can't be him. And it's too sophisticated to

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<v Speaker 2>be a kid, so it's either Sarah or Almani. But

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<v Speaker 2>why would they do it? And Benson goes, maybe to

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<v Speaker 2>get more protection for their kids. Then Hatty gets a call.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why he would get the call, but

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<v Speaker 2>Almani triggered her SVW alarm pendant. So Lisa Lampira, Lisa Lympira,

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa Lisa Lampira, friend of the podcast, is there.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously it's confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>Many Almani was unconscious when patrol found her, and we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if she's even gonna make it.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck fuck fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>All the doors and windows are intact and methan Man

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<v Speaker 2>and his friends are across the street from the house,

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<v Speaker 2>so they stomp over to him, strut strutstra and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>slow down, I'm one hundred and thirty feet away. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no violation here, and Stanbleord goes, oh, I'll find one,

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<v Speaker 2>and Stabler starts making fun of his friends, but they take,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, King's side. Ben's and gets a phone call

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<v Speaker 2>and King goes, they're all scared of you. Maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>why you have no witnesses. Benson slams her flip phone

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<v Speaker 2>and says, oh, yes, we do, smiles. He licks his lips.

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<v Speaker 2>There at the hospital, Almani is awake, Thank god. She's

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<v Speaker 2>worried about insurance and stuff. Life is so hard, and

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<v Speaker 2>so Benson brings up the letter and she's like, why

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<v Speaker 2>would I send a death threat to my own son.

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<v Speaker 2>She swears she didn't do it, and they ask if

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah did, and Almani just immediately looks upset. So she goes,

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah sponsored my visa here and it expires soon, so

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, if she doesn't want to renew it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be deported. And Benson goes, I'll get you a

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<v Speaker 2>special visa for witnesses, so you can stay fuck Sarah.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyways, ALMANI does have to cooperate to get that visa.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to live in fear, Benson says. She cries.

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<v Speaker 2>Stabler asks if Sarah did this to her. She says yes,

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<v Speaker 2>did she kill Nicky? More cries, and she says, I

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<v Speaker 2>was in the kitchen. I heard Nicky and Sarah fighting

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<v Speaker 2>over a man. Nicki screamed and fell down the stairs.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicki was at the bottom of the stairs. Sarah said

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<v Speaker 2>she would take Nicki to the hospital and shed stay

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<v Speaker 2>home with the baby.

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<v Speaker 3>She came back an.

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<v Speaker 2>Hour later without Nikki and basically threatened, if you say anything,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be deported. After they took away Chuck Way, she

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<v Speaker 2>finally stood up to Sarah and said she would not

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<v Speaker 2>let him go down for her crimes. So she beat her.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh sorry, just like so insane. So she says, Sarah

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<v Speaker 2>is my family. I stayed silent as long as I could,

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<v Speaker 2>but my kids and I need our husband or my husband, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>no incest. Here, Sarah's sitting with Chuck Way in prison

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<v Speaker 2>full Bar's room and they bring in the printer smoking gun.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all hitting chucky and so she's like, I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's like, I did it so the cops would

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<v Speaker 2>protect us police law and Si goes, Nope, you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>him not to testify so we would stop investigating Nicki's murder.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, is that true? She of course denies it.

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<v Speaker 2>She goes, King, did it?

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<v Speaker 3>You know that.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets mad and asked, what did you do to

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<v Speaker 2>our family? And she screams, you did when you let

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<v Speaker 2>Nikki into her home. I accepted ALLMANI is your wife,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know you had her before we met.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no need for Nikki.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, I married her to save her life, and

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<v Speaker 2>she goes, but he didn't have to fall in love

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<v Speaker 2>with her, and she massages his face. He slaps her

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<v Speaker 2>hand away and screams guard. She then pleads it was

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<v Speaker 2>an accident. She fell down the stairs. He stands up

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<v Speaker 2>and he keeps screaming for the guard. She is sobbing.

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<v Speaker 2>He shoves her aside. They arrest her, as she cries

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<v Speaker 2>as they cut her, they cuff her. They do not

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<v Speaker 2>cut her. They cuff her, so she screams, King is

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<v Speaker 2>a thug. He deserves to go to prison, not me

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<v Speaker 2>or you. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>So We're at the like the eighth trial.

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<v Speaker 2>It's December third, What a busy fucking week, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>ready to be a witness. He tells on this fucker

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<v Speaker 2>he's wearing traditional clothing from his culture. He straight up

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<v Speaker 2>points out that king, you know, is the guy who

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<v Speaker 2>beat the boy with the pipe, and method Man gets

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<v Speaker 2>pissed and screams, he's a liar, Dennis. Cops are making

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<v Speaker 2>him lie. Who's Dennis? Okay, I'm just making things up.

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<v Speaker 3>A king. My name is Dennis. Oh it is? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's such a.

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<v Speaker 2>Nod, A hard name, Dennis, like so itis, Oh you're right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, I stand corrected.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think of my mom's one coworker and his

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<v Speaker 2>son who was a junior.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So, so the cops are making him lie and Weber

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<v Speaker 2>tells him to shut up, and Chuckway stands up and screams, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you murder that boy in front of a crowd of

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<v Speaker 2>people and in front of God. Method Man throws the

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<v Speaker 2>table over and screams, you're a dead man. Stabler jumps him.

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<v Speaker 2>Judges streaming order, l ol, bitch like a gavel's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>stop this commotion. He's being dragged out he's not being

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<v Speaker 2>chill at all. He's screaming everything you love is dead.

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<v Speaker 2>You're dead.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye, bitch. Almani and Chuckway embrace. He feels okay, he

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<v Speaker 2>is no longer afraid. They walk off after a hellish

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<v Speaker 2>couple weeks. And that is dick wolf baby. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's also okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so she pushes her down the stairs, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she did and then she says she's gonna take her

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<v Speaker 1>to the hospital. Let's say she kills her. Then she

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<v Speaker 1>goes and steals the cable from another place. This lady,

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<v Speaker 1>this lady lawyer goes and steals cable.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just like a block away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was cut out, like she couldn't find a rope.

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<v Speaker 1>She just like went and stole cable out.

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<v Speaker 3>Of her Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's confusing to me, but well maybe because she'd have

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<v Speaker 2>to go buy rope and she didn't want to leave

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<v Speaker 2>a credit card.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true, you don't want to leave a trail.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know why why even tie Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the tying. It just felt like that was

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<v Speaker 1>all a little bit like red herring stuff. That wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I'm always looking for holes but what a

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<v Speaker 1>wild I mean, Chuck Way and ALMANI have to move

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<v Speaker 1>to like fucking North Dakota. They just have to, Like

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's going to come after them, I feel from jail. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they gotta get out of there. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. We can't, we can't, can't be saying in

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<v Speaker 1>New York anyway, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>For that beautiful recap.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna get into some We're gonna get into some

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<v Speaker 1>true crimes in a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're back so really quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to touch on the website stinkin rat dot com,

1:10:18.320 --> 1:10:22.479
<v Speaker 1>which is based on an actual website called who'sarat dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks like it was designed very much in

1:10:25.640 --> 1:10:28.280
<v Speaker 1>the early odds. It claims to be the largest online

1:10:28.360 --> 1:10:32.240
<v Speaker 1>database for police informants and corrupt police slash agents and

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<v Speaker 1>it says thank you for visiting www dot who'sarat dot

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<v Speaker 1>com a very unique investigative research tool website service that

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<v Speaker 1>has been online since two thousand and four. The database

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<v Speaker 1>has five thousand profiles of police informants, snitches and rats

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<v Speaker 1>and the membership there's different membership tiers and they will

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<v Speaker 1>allow you full access to the entire site. And it

1:10:52.040 --> 1:10:54.880
<v Speaker 1>says all posts made by users should be considered as

1:10:54.920 --> 1:10:57.880
<v Speaker 1>inaccurate opinions unless backed by official documents.

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<v Speaker 3>So it says please. It also says please.

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<v Speaker 1>Post informants that are involved in non violent crimes only

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<v Speaker 1>who's informing? I guess people are informing on drug dealing,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, are people informing on like he lets his

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<v Speaker 1>dog shit on the street, or like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>nonviolent crimes?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. It's it's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>But Homeland Security warned law enforcement against visiting the site.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, don't go to this website. It has

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<v Speaker 1>published lists of government IP addresses, names and photographs of

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement officers, and names of confidential informants, and it

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<v Speaker 1>could result in the compromise of government IP.

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<v Speaker 3>Addresses if you visit it.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's like a whole thing that's like, if they're

1:11:36.120 --> 1:11:38.519
<v Speaker 1>collecting IP addresses, they could it could show that a

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<v Speaker 1>cop is looking at it, and then that could affect

1:11:41.680 --> 1:11:44.080
<v Speaker 1>their testimony at trial or any of their cases that

1:11:44.120 --> 1:11:46.920
<v Speaker 1>they have ongoing. So it's like the Homeland Security is like, babes,

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<v Speaker 1>please don't go to this. Lifetime membership is forty nine

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<v Speaker 1>to ninety nine. But when you go to the website,

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot imagine it's being updated. So if you want

1:11:55.000 --> 1:11:57.000
<v Speaker 1>to find an informant from twenty years ago, you can

1:11:57.040 --> 1:12:00.960
<v Speaker 1>go grab a membership. But also this lie Die merch

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing that they're talking about is based on a

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<v Speaker 1>movement that was called Stop Snitching or Snitches Get Stitches,

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<v Speaker 1>which we've heard, you know many times in TV and movies.

1:12:11.439 --> 1:12:14.040
<v Speaker 1>But Stop Snitch and T shirts first showed up in

1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Philly in two thousand and two, but the campaign got

1:12:17.120 --> 1:12:20.000
<v Speaker 1>famous in Baltimore in late two thousand and four when

1:12:20.120 --> 1:12:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Rodney Thomas, a guy named Rodney Thomas, released a DVD

1:12:23.479 --> 1:12:26.040
<v Speaker 1>called Stop Snitching, and it started like making the rounds

1:12:26.040 --> 1:12:30.719
<v Speaker 1>all around town. Rodney Thomas, aka Skinny Shug, pleaded guilty

1:12:30.760 --> 1:12:32.840
<v Speaker 1>to first degree assault in two thousand and six in

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore and got fifteen years, but twelve years were suspended,

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<v Speaker 1>so we got three on the DVD. All these dudes

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<v Speaker 1>who are claiming to be drug dealers are talking straight

1:12:40.840 --> 1:12:42.960
<v Speaker 1>to camera. They're threatening people who talk to the cops

1:12:42.960 --> 1:12:48.400
<v Speaker 1>and report crimes, and it's basically pointed at those. It's

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<v Speaker 1>less about Oh I'm Chuck Way and I just happened

1:12:51.120 --> 1:12:55.639
<v Speaker 1>to witness a crime, and it's like more about people

1:12:55.760 --> 1:12:58.160
<v Speaker 1>who give who rap people out in order to get

1:12:58.240 --> 1:13:01.479
<v Speaker 1>lighter sentences for themselves. I think that's more who people

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<v Speaker 1>consider to be rats, Like, oh, you do bad things too,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're just ratting to get a better, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a better deal for yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>So a funny thing is on this DVD.

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<v Speaker 1>NBA star Carmelo Anthony briefly appears on it, and he

1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:18.320
<v Speaker 1>was obviously a lot of people were like, yo, Carmelo,

1:13:18.360 --> 1:13:20.040
<v Speaker 1>are you in this Stop Snitching DVD?

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<v Speaker 3>And he was like, I thought it was a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought it was my neighborhood friends making a

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<v Speaker 1>home movie and nobody should really take the message of

1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:30.400
<v Speaker 1>this DVD seriously. Baltimore PD tried to combat this campaign

1:13:30.520 --> 1:13:34.720
<v Speaker 1>with their own Keep Talking campaign, which gave also gave

1:13:34.720 --> 1:13:37.320
<v Speaker 1>out DVDs and free T shirts in the same way,

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<v Speaker 1>but this time it was to like make potential witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>like feel safe and highlight that it's important to bring

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<v Speaker 1>criminals to justice and stuff. But I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it god as viral as Stop Snitch and did.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a little bit where that whole thing and

1:13:51.240 --> 1:13:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the Waxman's business on the street came from because there

1:13:54.200 --> 1:13:57.160
<v Speaker 1>were DVDs being sold in t shirts. But now I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get into this case that it's wild, like

1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:03.240
<v Speaker 1>there was a dateline on it, but there's not like

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<v Speaker 1>a Wikipedia. There's like not a lot of New York

1:14:05.600 --> 1:14:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Times or like articles in a lot of publications about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But and it's it's loosely related to this crime in

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<v Speaker 1>the sense that it's about multiple wives and a murder

1:14:15.400 --> 1:14:17.200
<v Speaker 1>taking place in a family with multiple wives. But I

1:14:17.200 --> 1:14:20.559
<v Speaker 1>would say, don't be looking for too much SVU connection.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought it was an interesting case, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk about it. So this guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Goff was an evangelical minister in San Diego when

1:14:29.960 --> 1:14:33.519
<v Speaker 1>he met Joy Risker at the age of sixteen, and

1:14:33.640 --> 1:14:37.040
<v Speaker 1>he was her youth pastor. He is described by many

1:14:37.120 --> 1:14:42.479
<v Speaker 1>people as handsome, engaging, persuasive, and also very religious. Sean

1:14:42.640 --> 1:14:45.400
<v Speaker 1>ended up marrying Joy in nineteen ninety seven, when she

1:14:45.520 --> 1:14:48.080
<v Speaker 1>was nineteen and he was thirty. So I guess he

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<v Speaker 1>was like twenty seven when he met this sixteen year

1:14:50.040 --> 1:14:52.360
<v Speaker 1>old girl, but Sean had already been.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because that's what's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, we're we like love Chuck Way, and

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<v Speaker 2>he tried to save her, but he did fall in

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<v Speaker 2>love with a fifteen year old. Yes, yes, And I

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<v Speaker 2>get that it's chill in their and their culture, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>uh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And we can talk about this in an intro if

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<v Speaker 1>we want, But like this, the Jerry Seinfeldt who shot

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<v Speaker 1>a Lonstein stuff is way in my feet again. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like everybody's bringing it up because Seinfeld's been bitching

1:15:16.000 --> 1:15:19.320
<v Speaker 1>about like comedy being too woke or whatever, and now

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's like, remember when you were thirty eight and you

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<v Speaker 1>dated an eighteen year old thirty nine?

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<v Speaker 3>He was thirty nine and he dated anything.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a billion dollars? Why don't you just keep

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<v Speaker 2>your mouth shut? Like we've talked about this before, but

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<v Speaker 2>seventy year olds being like, ah, the young culture is

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<v Speaker 2>not for It's like, yeah, you're old, dude, Yeah, keep

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<v Speaker 2>performing for the old, like it's your idea that you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna connect with nineteen year old Stop doing colleges.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, young people don't like you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're seventy Take your Netflix money and stop doing colleges.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fine, Like I just it's just so embarrassing when

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<v Speaker 2>such old people are like youth today they're too offended.

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<v Speaker 3>You are a senior citizen.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think you're gonna connect with people that

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<v Speaker 2>are twenty because your kids, because you have kids that age.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when he was forty, he was connecting someone who

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<v Speaker 1>was eighteen. I didn't even realize in this stuff I've

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<v Speaker 1>been seeing like they dated for three years. I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thought it was like maybe just a flirtation or something,

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<v Speaker 1>but like they dated for three years. She moved colleges

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<v Speaker 1>to be closer to him. In laugh anyway, So Sean

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<v Speaker 1>Mary's Joy, he's thirty, she's nineteen, and but Bing Bang

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<v Speaker 1>Bong he's already married. He's married to a woman named Sheila.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been married to since nineteen ninety. So when he

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote married Joy, he did have to leave his

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<v Speaker 1>church in San Diego and his job at a Christian

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<v Speaker 1>ministry because they were not with the polygamy. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>later air quotes married a woman named Sharon in two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>because I believe you can have multiple wives like in Utah,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were not getting married in states where it

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<v Speaker 1>was legal, so or in Mexico. At some point, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's legal, and that's why sometimes Mormon polygamists go

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<v Speaker 1>down there, but it's not legal in California, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he says he's marrying these people, but it's not really marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean marries a woman named Sharon named in two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>but she didn't even make it a year with the family.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean and Sheila said that Sharon had mental health issues

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<v Speaker 1>and that she didn't fit in with the family. Allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>also she enjoyed did not get along. Sean later testified

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<v Speaker 1>that a Christian polygamist he knew had pressured him to

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<v Speaker 1>take in Sharon as a religious duty, and that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of echoes a little bit taken Nikki for religious persecution thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and Shawn and Sharon only spoke online when he drove

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<v Speaker 1>across the country to get her and bring her back

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<v Speaker 1>to southern California, and he pretty quickly took note of

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<v Speaker 1>her mental issues and realized that it had been a mistake,

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<v Speaker 1>and he asked Sharon to leave the family after eight months.

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<v Speaker 1>So he never tried to legally marry Joy or Sharon.

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<v Speaker 1>So tech legally he's not a big a mist and

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<v Speaker 1>he can't be brought up on those charges. But to everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>he has married these women, so other than his eight

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<v Speaker 1>months with Sharon. Sean has Joy and Sheila as his wives,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has two kids with Joy and one kid

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<v Speaker 1>with Sheila. Sheila was more of a stay at home wife.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't go out with Sean that much. Joy was

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<v Speaker 1>the outgoing, bubbly won and she took on the role

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<v Speaker 1>of as Sean's public wife, so they took romantic trips,

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<v Speaker 1>went out for dinners and dancing all the time. But

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<v Speaker 1>apparently Joy started to get fed up with the family dynamics.

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<v Speaker 1>She thought Sean was controlling, and she had dreams. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to travel, she wanted to go back to school,

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to have a career, and obviously this polygamous

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<v Speaker 1>man who said God told him to have another wife, thinks, no,

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<v Speaker 1>your kind of purpose is to serve me. So on

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<v Speaker 1>September nineteenth, two thousand and three, my friend Liz's birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>the day before mine, Joy, then aged twenty five, disappeared

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<v Speaker 1>after having dinner with Sean at the Hotel del Coronado

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<v Speaker 1>in San Diego. Sean told people that Joy had left

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<v Speaker 1>him and their young boys and run off with an

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<v Speaker 1>ex boyfriend, and also her friends were getting emails from

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<v Speaker 1>Sean explaining her decisions, or she would just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>rite back kind of anger tinged replies to her friends

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<v Speaker 1>that were like I'll talk to you when I'm ready,

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<v Speaker 1>And the friends definitely was like, We're like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>out of character, this is weird for Joy, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not how she talks. So finally, her friend Jill called

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<v Speaker 1>the police to file a missing person's report and the

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<v Speaker 1>case was assigned to Linda Cousin, a San Diego Police

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<v Speaker 1>investigative aid, and she called Sean at first, and she said,

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning he seemed credible. He told her that

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<v Speaker 1>his wife had just taken off and he showed her

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<v Speaker 1>emails that backed it up. One of the emails said quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to get out and experience the world around

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<v Speaker 1>me and know that there is life outside of those

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<v Speaker 1>four walls. And then he replied to her, I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>sorry I couldn't make you happy. But when Linda checked

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<v Speaker 1>Joy's cell phone records, she saw that all activity on

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<v Speaker 1>her phone stopped the day she disappeared. The last call

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<v Speaker 1>she made was to Sean, which he conveniently never told Cousin,

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<v Speaker 1>so when she asked him about it, he said they'd

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<v Speaker 1>had a romantic weekend plan to rekindle the romance. Took

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<v Speaker 1>all three kids to Santa Barbara, and Sean and Joy

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<v Speaker 1>were gonna like have this, you know, lovely couple's weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>but they ended up fighting and she said he woke

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<v Speaker 1>up early to find Joy with two suitcases getting into

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<v Speaker 1>a car with a dude. And Cousin is like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a weird thing to leave out the first time I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to you, Like, why didn't you mention any of this?

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<v Speaker 1>So she keeps investigating, and another thing that doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>sense is that Joy didn't have a passport, so she's

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<v Speaker 1>going off.

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<v Speaker 3>To see the world.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not leaving the States, and if she's in the States,

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<v Speaker 1>she's not using her cell phone. So plus, she tracked

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<v Speaker 1>down the dude that Joy was supposedly running off with

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<v Speaker 1>this ex boyfriend, and shock of shocks, he had no

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<v Speaker 1>plans to meet up with her. He was not in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with her. So now cousin knows something is up

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<v Speaker 1>and Joy is not okay. So she goes and questions Sheila,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sheila is surprised because she honestly thought Joy had

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<v Speaker 1>pieced out. She that's like what she's been told, and

1:20:50.040 --> 1:20:53.280
<v Speaker 1>that's what she thought. But deep down, she had some

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<v Speaker 1>suspicions and that things weren't adding up, and she had

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<v Speaker 1>cleaned up blood spots at the house. Okay, So after

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<v Speaker 1>talking to cousin, Sheila calls Sean and he tells her

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<v Speaker 1>a story very different from the one he's been telling her.

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<v Speaker 1>And she said that what he told her left her

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote hysterical. But a lot of what she told

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<v Speaker 1>him is not allowed to be revealed at trial because

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<v Speaker 1>of spousal privilege, because she is truly married to him

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<v Speaker 1>by law. So he tells her something that she's allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to testify made her hysterical, but she's not allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>say what it is. She said she told him to

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<v Speaker 1>turn himself in. And October twenty one, two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 1>about a month after Joy's been missing, he turns himself

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<v Speaker 1>in and he confesses to murdering her, and he said

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<v Speaker 1>then and he still maintains that God told him to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. So they search the house and they find

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<v Speaker 1>tiny blood spatters in Joy's bedroom and in the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>which was confirmed by DNA to be Joy's blood. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is wild because it's like a month later when

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<v Speaker 1>they're searching the house, the blood is still there. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>a forensic computer expert finds that the emails that Sean

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<v Speaker 1>had been flashing around as proof that she'd left the

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<v Speaker 1>country were all sent for the same computer. So, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy definitely killed his wife, but where is her body?

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<v Speaker 1>Like where is Joy? Right after Sean confesses, he lawyers up,

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<v Speaker 1>and he sits in jail for months. The investigation stalls,

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<v Speaker 1>is what I read, which I don't understand, Like they

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<v Speaker 1>don't make him an offer or a deal to say

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<v Speaker 1>where the body is. Like it's wild. He's come in,

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<v Speaker 1>he's confessed. I feel like they would say, okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>will take I mean maybe death penalty is not even

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<v Speaker 1>an option, but we can, you know, put you in

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<v Speaker 1>a jail near to your kids or something like that

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<v Speaker 1>if you tell us where your fucking wife's body is.

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<v Speaker 1>But he just doesn't say it for months and months. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>a desert hand I don't know what that is. A

1:22:39.080 --> 1:22:43.519
<v Speaker 1>man that does just debt general desert handiwork unnamed Reuben

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<v Speaker 1>Condey had noticed a large pile of stones, and these

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<v Speaker 1>are called cairns. Also like on trails, there could be cairns,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the desert in the Arizona Desert where he lived,

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<v Speaker 1>just north of the Mexican border. And he thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was weird because the pile was very big. If there

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<v Speaker 1>are foes of it in the articles that I will

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<v Speaker 1>link to and my sources, but it's too big to

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<v Speaker 1>be an animal barrier burial. And it didn't smell like

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<v Speaker 1>a dead animal, but it had a faint smell of rotten.

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<v Speaker 3>Meat, he said.

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<v Speaker 1>So he called his son, who was a federal ranger

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<v Speaker 1>with the Bureau of Land Management, and on January ten,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and four, a little less than four months

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<v Speaker 1>after Joy's disappearance, Conde's son, the ranger moved these rocks

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<v Speaker 1>aside and discovers human remains. It's a torso and a

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<v Speaker 1>portion of a head. Now, a detective for the Maricopa

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<v Speaker 1>County Sheriff brought these extremely decomposed remains to the emmy

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<v Speaker 1>in Phoenix, who was able to determine that she was young,

1:23:40.640 --> 1:23:43.960
<v Speaker 1>female African American and had given birth before. But the

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<v Speaker 1>emmy also discovered that she had twelve stab wounds to

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<v Speaker 1>the chest, her fingertips had been chopped off with a

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<v Speaker 1>meat cleaver, her teeth had been sawed out, and her

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<v Speaker 1>face had been bashed in. So this medical examiner whose

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<v Speaker 1>name is doctor Laura Fuljaniti. She is pissed, she told

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<v Speaker 1>Dateline quote, goddamn CSI, because that's clearly what had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody had watched too much TV and they knew exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what to get rid of to try to thwart us.

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<v Speaker 3>End of quote.

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<v Speaker 1>So like they had no teeth, no fingerprints, and DNA

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<v Speaker 1>is apparently very hard and expensive to extract from such

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<v Speaker 1>a decomposed body. So full Janeiti and her colleague, a

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<v Speaker 1>forensic artist. I've never heard of a forensic artist before,

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<v Speaker 1>but this guy's name is Detective Bob Powers.

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<v Speaker 3>They worked to use.

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<v Speaker 1>Her remains to recreate her face, like they used clay

1:24:32.720 --> 1:24:35.639
<v Speaker 1>to kind of like fill in the gaps, and they

1:24:35.760 --> 1:24:38.679
<v Speaker 1>ended up with a sketch of her, but it didn't

1:24:38.680 --> 1:24:40.320
<v Speaker 1>match anyone in Missing Persons.

1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:41.920
<v Speaker 3>So at one point they had a lead.

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<v Speaker 1>They thought, oh, it might be this person who popped

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<v Speaker 1>in Missing Persons, but they and now the lead led

1:24:47.240 --> 1:24:49.200
<v Speaker 1>to them being able to get the DNA sample from

1:24:49.240 --> 1:24:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the remains, but it wasn't the right woman. But now

1:24:52.120 --> 1:24:54.640
<v Speaker 1>they have the DNA sample, so then it makes it

1:24:54.680 --> 1:24:58.320
<v Speaker 1>into the FBI database and boom, there's a match. So

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<v Speaker 1>after eight months after her bones we found, and almost

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<v Speaker 1>a year from when she disappeared, Joy Risker's body is

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<v Speaker 1>finally idd It's the summer of two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean finally goes on trial, and prosecutors set out to

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<v Speaker 1>prove that GoF had been planning to murder Joy for months.

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<v Speaker 1>His friend testifies that they'd been brainstorming in a brainstorming

1:25:18.240 --> 1:25:21.120
<v Speaker 1>session the year before, under the pretense of writing a

1:25:21.160 --> 1:25:24.680
<v Speaker 1>movie about how a protagonist could watch TV shows to

1:25:24.760 --> 1:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>learn how to hide a body so sketchy. A bunch

1:25:27.800 --> 1:25:31.160
<v Speaker 1>of other people testified that Sean had alluded to getting

1:25:31.240 --> 1:25:33.720
<v Speaker 1>rid of Joy, saying she was lazy and it wasn't

1:25:33.760 --> 1:25:36.600
<v Speaker 1>working out, but also telling others that she seemed like

1:25:36.640 --> 1:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>the type to run away, like he was setting up

1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:39.400
<v Speaker 1>his excuse.

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<v Speaker 2>But friends say he also like, you can also just

1:25:42.840 --> 1:25:47.080
<v Speaker 2>split up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's lazy. Why don't you

1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:48.320
<v Speaker 2>just dump her on the side of the road. You

1:25:48.320 --> 1:25:49.080
<v Speaker 2>don't have to kill her?

1:25:49.720 --> 1:25:51.799
<v Speaker 3>I know. Fuck, it's so fucked.

1:25:52.000 --> 1:25:55.920
<v Speaker 1>And friends say that he also told Joy if she

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<v Speaker 1>left he would keep the kids, so like, I can

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<v Speaker 1>see why she's not leaving. If he's saying he's going

1:26:02.520 --> 1:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>to try to keep the kids, but yeah, he's a

1:26:05.400 --> 1:26:09.120
<v Speaker 1>murderous psycho. But Sheila, who at the time of the

1:26:09.160 --> 1:26:13.559
<v Speaker 1>trial has already divorced Sean, also testified. She talked about

1:26:13.560 --> 1:26:16.600
<v Speaker 1>how six days before Joy's disappearance, he came home with

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<v Speaker 1>a chisel, a handsaw, a pickaxe, a sledgehammer, duct tape,

1:26:20.080 --> 1:26:22.960
<v Speaker 1>plastic sheeting, a shovel, a cooler, a butcher block, and

1:26:22.960 --> 1:26:26.160
<v Speaker 1>a butcher knife. And they asked her, Oh, what's his

1:26:26.280 --> 1:26:28.639
<v Speaker 1>level as a handyman or a craftsman, which I thought

1:26:28.680 --> 1:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>was interesting because they do call Chuckway a craftsman in

1:26:31.280 --> 1:26:34.320
<v Speaker 1>the episode, and Sheila's like, none, bitch, this guy is

1:26:34.479 --> 1:26:37.400
<v Speaker 1>not handy. So the Friday of the murder, he took

1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:40.479
<v Speaker 1>Joy to a Kobe beef dinner. He spent two hundred

1:26:40.479 --> 1:26:43.200
<v Speaker 1>and twenty nine dollars on this big dinner. At eight

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six that night, Joy called Sheila to say good

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<v Speaker 1>night to her boys, and that's when he took Joy

1:26:49.280 --> 1:26:51.640
<v Speaker 1>home and killed her, and then dismembered her body and

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<v Speaker 1>drove it five hours to Arizona in a rented suv

1:26:54.600 --> 1:26:57.600
<v Speaker 1>where he buried it under these stones. On Sunday, he

1:26:57.640 --> 1:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>called Shila to tell her that Joy and him broke up,

1:26:59.720 --> 1:27:01.920
<v Speaker 1>but all So mentioned that Joy had cut herself and

1:27:01.960 --> 1:27:04.759
<v Speaker 1>asked Shila to clean up the blood. So Sheila's ignoring

1:27:04.800 --> 1:27:08.599
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of you know, red flags. But she's also

1:27:08.960 --> 1:27:11.720
<v Speaker 1>like in a polygamist marriage with a religious man and

1:27:11.760 --> 1:27:13.400
<v Speaker 1>probably does what.

1:27:13.360 --> 1:27:13.920
<v Speaker 3>He tells her.

1:27:14.320 --> 1:27:18.880
<v Speaker 1>So he didn't get back till Monday, and he told

1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Sheila he'd gone for a long drive to deal with

1:27:21.120 --> 1:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the Joy breakup. So and of course this monster in

1:27:25.840 --> 1:27:29.160
<v Speaker 1>court tries to claim that Joy attacked him and that

1:27:29.240 --> 1:27:31.519
<v Speaker 1>he killed her in self defense, and he like plays

1:27:31.600 --> 1:27:34.880
<v Speaker 1>up his religiousness at court, like his religiosity, like he's

1:27:35.120 --> 1:27:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm a man of God, this and that. But it's like,

1:27:37.120 --> 1:27:39.760
<v Speaker 1>but you like you also, you admitted that you did this,

1:27:39.840 --> 1:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>so I mean, I guess he want the jury to

1:27:43.600 --> 1:27:45.519
<v Speaker 1>feel sorry for him, so he brought up religion a lot.

1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>He also tried to claim that Joy had abused their

1:27:48.000 --> 1:27:50.120
<v Speaker 1>children and that he'd confronted her that night with a

1:27:50.120 --> 1:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>photo that proved it. The photo was never produced at

1:27:53.280 --> 1:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>trial because that shit probably doesn't exist. And he said

1:27:57.520 --> 1:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>he didn't want his sons to lose both parents, so

1:27:59.640 --> 1:28:01.879
<v Speaker 1>that's when he decided he needed to cover up the murder,

1:28:02.160 --> 1:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>but the jury didn't buy any of this shit, and

1:28:04.400 --> 1:28:06.240
<v Speaker 1>it took them two hours to convict him, and in

1:28:06.280 --> 1:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>September of six he was sentenced to twenty five to life.

1:28:09.600 --> 1:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>So that would mean he doesn't get out until thirty one.

1:28:13.479 --> 1:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>And I doubt he's going to get out, I really do.

1:28:16.120 --> 1:28:20.000
<v Speaker 1>But that is yeah, because I doubt he has made

1:28:20.040 --> 1:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>amends or right. I don't see him realizing what he

1:28:24.000 --> 1:28:26.280
<v Speaker 1>did was wrong and admitting it and any of the

1:28:26.680 --> 1:28:30.040
<v Speaker 1>especially when God speaks, Yeah, exactly, especially when you're hiding

1:28:30.120 --> 1:28:32.639
<v Speaker 1>under the blanket of God, you know, who can tell

1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:34.360
<v Speaker 1>you what to do and you got to do it.

1:28:34.360 --> 1:28:37.439
<v Speaker 2>It's also so funny that proving religious city or whatever

1:28:37.800 --> 1:28:42.520
<v Speaker 2>is positive when all like murder is like so many wars,

1:28:42.520 --> 1:28:44.519
<v Speaker 2>like I know, like religion is violent.

1:28:44.840 --> 1:28:47.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you talking about you being into God actually

1:28:47.600 --> 1:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>just backs up the whole thing.

1:28:49.400 --> 1:28:49.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I just thought it was like wild that there weren't

1:28:52.439 --> 1:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>like more articles about this.

1:28:55.000 --> 1:28:55.599
<v Speaker 3>I mean there are.

1:28:55.600 --> 1:28:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Articles, they're just like there's a dateline, but there's not

1:28:58.680 --> 1:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>as much. I don't know. It wasn't like a case

1:29:01.160 --> 1:29:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I heard about and it happened in the two thousands,

1:29:03.840 --> 1:29:06.880
<v Speaker 1>so I you know, thought it would have trickled over

1:29:06.920 --> 1:29:09.599
<v Speaker 1>to me at some point. But this poor fucking woman

1:29:10.120 --> 1:29:15.000
<v Speaker 1>was you know, murdered by this asshole after she agreed

1:29:15.040 --> 1:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>to be his second wife.

1:29:16.640 --> 1:29:20.280
<v Speaker 3>But that's that. So what's a bummer.

1:29:20.600 --> 1:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we have a great guest and that's going

1:29:23.080 --> 1:29:24.360
<v Speaker 1>to make you all feel better.

1:29:24.360 --> 1:29:27.280
<v Speaker 3>So don't go anywhere. And his movie idea wasn't bad

1:29:27.439 --> 1:29:28.320
<v Speaker 3>if I'm being honest.

1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Our guest today is a Nigerian British actor who has

1:29:40.120 --> 1:29:42.639
<v Speaker 1>starred in some huge movies. You've seen him in Hotel

1:29:42.720 --> 1:29:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Rwanda and Pirates of the Caribbean at World's End. Plus

1:29:45.760 --> 1:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>he's a recurring character on Black Sales, which you can

1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:51.599
<v Speaker 1>watch on Netflix now. But you know him today as

1:29:51.680 --> 1:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the kind polygamist Chuck Way Bathamme. Please enjoy our chat

1:29:55.920 --> 1:30:00.439
<v Speaker 1>with Hakim k kasm Hakim. We're so excited I have

1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:03.800
<v Speaker 1>you on this podcast. I feel like Thank You for

1:30:03.840 --> 1:30:06.479
<v Speaker 1>Me is a big episode. It always like I always

1:30:06.479 --> 1:30:08.479
<v Speaker 1>remember it and I always think of it as the

1:30:08.560 --> 1:30:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Chukway episode. So you make a huge impression in this episode.

1:30:11.560 --> 1:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>That's your character and that's what I think about it

1:30:14.160 --> 1:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>as great.

1:30:15.000 --> 1:30:17.160
<v Speaker 6>Well, just do me a favor, just remind me of

1:30:17.200 --> 1:30:19.559
<v Speaker 6>the Chokway episode, because it's been in minute since I've

1:30:19.600 --> 1:30:21.960
<v Speaker 6>seen it, so yeah, you have to catch me.

1:30:21.920 --> 1:30:22.280
<v Speaker 5>Up on it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you are from Nigeria and you have come to

1:30:27.040 --> 1:30:31.320
<v Speaker 1>the United States with a wife, and then you marry

1:30:31.400 --> 1:30:33.720
<v Speaker 1>and you bring another woman over from Nigeria.

1:30:33.360 --> 1:30:35.559
<v Speaker 3>You marry her, and then you also marry your.

1:30:35.560 --> 1:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Lawyer who is an American citizen, and you guys have

1:30:39.080 --> 1:30:42.559
<v Speaker 1>this sort of like blended family of polyamory or whatever.

1:30:43.000 --> 1:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>And then unfortunately in the end, your American wife kills

1:30:47.000 --> 1:30:50.599
<v Speaker 1>one of your other wives and he's only fifteen because

1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:52.479
<v Speaker 1>you fell in love with her and she's jealous.

1:30:52.680 --> 1:30:55.160
<v Speaker 3>But they think it's method Man for a long time.

1:30:55.600 --> 1:30:58.040
<v Speaker 6>That's right, Yes, I remember, Yeah, you're in a big

1:30:58.080 --> 1:30:59.160
<v Speaker 6>episode with Method Mary.

1:30:59.200 --> 1:31:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we should have just met the man.

1:31:01.439 --> 1:31:04.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah remember. Yeah, he was lovely as well. And I

1:31:05.680 --> 1:31:09.400
<v Speaker 6>didn't know. I knew Wu Tang Klang vaguely. I think

1:31:09.400 --> 1:31:11.800
<v Speaker 6>I just come over from South Africa, so and I

1:31:11.840 --> 1:31:14.040
<v Speaker 6>wasn't really listening to that music, so I didn't actually

1:31:14.080 --> 1:31:17.920
<v Speaker 6>know that he was a musician until after the show.

1:31:18.040 --> 1:31:18.800
<v Speaker 5>He was oh, you.

1:31:18.800 --> 1:31:21.599
<v Speaker 6>Worked with this great musician method Man, So I was like, oh, well,

1:31:22.960 --> 1:31:25.280
<v Speaker 6>but he was lovely so it's really really a nice man.

1:31:25.479 --> 1:31:27.080
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, it was great working with him.

1:31:27.320 --> 1:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>That's great because his character was it was very scary.

1:31:31.640 --> 1:31:31.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1:31:32.760 --> 1:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, I don't know if you remember, you did

1:31:36.040 --> 1:31:38.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stunts. There was a lot of running, jumping,

1:31:38.360 --> 1:31:40.680
<v Speaker 2>you're getting swemmed on a car. Do you remember the

1:31:40.760 --> 1:31:43.960
<v Speaker 2>process of shooting, rehearsing stunt doubles or anything like that.

1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:49.639
<v Speaker 6>You know, I remember I was fitter then. I mean, yeah,

1:31:49.640 --> 1:31:52.320
<v Speaker 6>I was fitter then, so I don't remember it being

1:31:52.320 --> 1:31:55.120
<v Speaker 6>any problem. But yeah, I mean, I always enjoy it

1:31:55.120 --> 1:31:57.439
<v Speaker 6>if I can do. I mean, I've just done another

1:31:57.520 --> 1:32:01.880
<v Speaker 6>procedural up there in New York and a lot of running,

1:32:01.920 --> 1:32:03.640
<v Speaker 6>but they put in a stunt double for because I

1:32:03.640 --> 1:32:06.200
<v Speaker 6>wasn't running quick enough. So I realized that actually ages

1:32:06.240 --> 1:32:07.920
<v Speaker 6>caught up on me. But I think back then it

1:32:08.000 --> 1:32:09.160
<v Speaker 6>was great. It was a lot of fun.

1:32:09.400 --> 1:32:10.680
<v Speaker 3>Do you live in Cape Town or are you there

1:32:10.680 --> 1:32:11.040
<v Speaker 3>for work?

1:32:11.520 --> 1:32:14.080
<v Speaker 6>I live between cap I'm here for work, but I

1:32:14.120 --> 1:32:18.040
<v Speaker 6>live between Cape Town and Los Angeles, so you know,

1:32:18.120 --> 1:32:20.680
<v Speaker 6>work takes me all over the place. But I have

1:32:20.760 --> 1:32:23.240
<v Speaker 6>a you know, I stay. I've got a very good

1:32:23.240 --> 1:32:25.240
<v Speaker 6>friend who I stay with in LA when i'm there,

1:32:25.240 --> 1:32:28.920
<v Speaker 6>so I was just in LA and then uh and

1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:31.040
<v Speaker 6>and then I live sort of most of the time

1:32:31.080 --> 1:32:33.320
<v Speaker 6>in Cape Town. Now since the pandemic, it's been more

1:32:33.439 --> 1:32:35.240
<v Speaker 6>more Cape Town than than LA.

1:32:35.800 --> 1:32:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you were to come back on SVU, what

1:32:38.800 --> 1:32:39.919
<v Speaker 2>would you like to play?

1:32:40.040 --> 1:32:42.120
<v Speaker 6>Maybe somebody? I don't know, because I'm always playing sort

1:32:42.160 --> 1:32:44.760
<v Speaker 6>of nasty. I don't know, you know, you know, I

1:32:44.760 --> 1:32:46.880
<v Speaker 6>don't know. I shouldn't and I don't. Actually, I wouldn't

1:32:46.880 --> 1:32:49.599
<v Speaker 6>mind whatever they threw at me. I think, I mean this,

1:32:49.600 --> 1:32:52.000
<v Speaker 6>this the one on that, the one recently that I

1:32:52.080 --> 1:32:54.240
<v Speaker 6>think it's just been there now. I was a sort

1:32:54.240 --> 1:32:57.080
<v Speaker 6>of a dex An next general sort of you know,

1:32:57.320 --> 1:33:00.680
<v Speaker 6>a bit of a nasty character, and I sometimes I

1:33:00.760 --> 1:33:03.599
<v Speaker 6>get those that this one, maybe i'd be a really

1:33:03.680 --> 1:33:04.200
<v Speaker 6>nice man.

1:33:04.840 --> 1:33:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, you're you're very nice in this SVU and this

1:33:07.360 --> 1:33:09.880
<v Speaker 3>SVU you're like, yeah about your fav I don't know.

1:33:10.280 --> 1:33:12.000
<v Speaker 3>NICKI is young. Nicky is young.

1:33:12.040 --> 1:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>He did marry a fifteen but he but he married

1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:15.959
<v Speaker 1>her to bring her away from.

1:33:15.840 --> 1:33:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Persecution and religious execution in her home country, so he

1:33:19.360 --> 1:33:20.599
<v Speaker 3>was kind of bring her a favor.

1:33:20.640 --> 1:33:22.800
<v Speaker 5>But you remember, you remember she is.

1:33:22.920 --> 1:33:23.959
<v Speaker 3>But she is fifteen.

1:33:24.120 --> 1:33:27.479
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the show really sets you up to whose

1:33:27.479 --> 1:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>side are we on?

1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, well, you played a real life, real bad

1:33:31.040 --> 1:33:36.519
<v Speaker 2>guy in Hotel Rwanda and like war criminal general, Like,

1:33:37.520 --> 1:33:39.400
<v Speaker 2>what's the process like to play a real person?

1:33:40.160 --> 1:33:42.840
<v Speaker 3>I know that was a while ago too, Yeah, yeah.

1:33:42.720 --> 1:33:45.080
<v Speaker 6>But that one I remember because it had a sort

1:33:45.120 --> 1:33:48.120
<v Speaker 6>of quite a big impact on me because I just

1:33:48.160 --> 1:33:50.599
<v Speaker 6>got to South Africa for the first time, and South

1:33:50.640 --> 1:33:53.640
<v Speaker 6>Africa in ninety four roughly was celebrating the release of

1:33:53.720 --> 1:33:56.360
<v Speaker 6>Nelson Mandela the first elections, so there was a sense

1:33:56.360 --> 1:34:00.760
<v Speaker 6>of amazing euphoria here and an amazing possible abilities here,

1:34:00.800 --> 1:34:03.080
<v Speaker 6>and it was a really sort of you know, it

1:34:03.120 --> 1:34:04.720
<v Speaker 6>gives me goose punts when I think about it, because

1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:08.840
<v Speaker 6>it was such an exciting, possible time, full of possibility.

1:34:09.439 --> 1:34:11.880
<v Speaker 6>And at the same time as this Rwanda was going

1:34:11.920 --> 1:34:15.960
<v Speaker 6>on in ninety four, the genocide started, and you know,

1:34:16.040 --> 1:34:18.599
<v Speaker 6>to my shame and I think a lot of people,

1:34:18.960 --> 1:34:22.240
<v Speaker 6>because we were so engrossed in Emboston the sort of

1:34:22.280 --> 1:34:26.400
<v Speaker 6>celebration and liberation of South Africa, I don't remember hearing

1:34:26.479 --> 1:34:29.719
<v Speaker 6>too much about the run the genocide, and I really

1:34:29.760 --> 1:34:32.280
<v Speaker 6>only got to know the depth of it when I

1:34:32.320 --> 1:34:35.680
<v Speaker 6>started to film and I was on set with and

1:34:35.720 --> 1:34:38.160
<v Speaker 6>this was in two thousand and four, I think five,

1:34:38.560 --> 1:34:41.439
<v Speaker 6>and being on set with Rwanda and refugee, someone who'd

1:34:41.479 --> 1:34:43.600
<v Speaker 6>come over from the border, just listening to some of

1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:47.719
<v Speaker 6>their stories, doing the research and looking online and seeing

1:34:47.720 --> 1:34:49.559
<v Speaker 6>some of those videos that were shot on the hill

1:34:49.600 --> 1:34:53.920
<v Speaker 6>of people being massacred, and reading the General's book, the general,

1:34:54.000 --> 1:34:56.800
<v Speaker 6>the Canadian General of the UN General who was there

1:34:56.840 --> 1:34:58.760
<v Speaker 6>at Delaire I think his name was, and reading his

1:34:58.840 --> 1:35:01.640
<v Speaker 6>book and it gave me a full picture of of

1:35:01.800 --> 1:35:06.519
<v Speaker 6>of what had happened, and and so you know, it

1:35:06.560 --> 1:35:08.800
<v Speaker 6>was it was very sort of intense for me to

1:35:08.960 --> 1:35:11.360
<v Speaker 6>understand that and to then go back into the history

1:35:11.360 --> 1:35:13.439
<v Speaker 6>of it, and so then to try and gather the

1:35:13.680 --> 1:35:16.800
<v Speaker 6>you know, the energy to play that character, understand you

1:35:16.840 --> 1:35:19.960
<v Speaker 6>know deeply what what what his sort of motivation was,

1:35:20.000 --> 1:35:22.920
<v Speaker 6>and you know, because neighbors were killing neighbors, you know,

1:35:23.280 --> 1:35:25.280
<v Speaker 6>you know, you could be married into the same family

1:35:25.320 --> 1:35:28.320
<v Speaker 6>and yet and lived next door of a couple of generations,

1:35:28.320 --> 1:35:32.479
<v Speaker 6>and yet that that level of in humanity suddenly springs

1:35:32.600 --> 1:35:35.240
<v Speaker 6>up out of nowhere. I was just recently back in

1:35:35.320 --> 1:35:38.519
<v Speaker 6>Rwanda and and what has been amazing is the job

1:35:38.560 --> 1:35:40.840
<v Speaker 6>that I think that Paul and the Army's got done

1:35:40.880 --> 1:35:43.800
<v Speaker 6>in terms of making sure there's been a reconciliation, so

1:35:43.840 --> 1:35:48.479
<v Speaker 6>there wasn't sort of a backlash again, a retribution backlash.

1:35:48.640 --> 1:35:52.920
<v Speaker 6>People had village village tribunals, and so the people that

1:35:52.960 --> 1:35:56.080
<v Speaker 6>were responsible for the massacre were in these tribunals and

1:35:56.080 --> 1:36:00.599
<v Speaker 6>and and and you know those discussions and and neighbors

1:36:00.600 --> 1:36:03.040
<v Speaker 6>were then told to forgive neighbors and then they lived

1:36:03.320 --> 1:36:07.519
<v Speaker 6>now live their cohabit again. So it's a really interesting

1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:11.320
<v Speaker 6>process of It was a really amazing sort of film

1:36:11.360 --> 1:36:13.799
<v Speaker 6>for me to do and to really get to understand

1:36:13.840 --> 1:36:17.639
<v Speaker 6>the depth of history. But they also try and understand

1:36:17.640 --> 1:36:20.280
<v Speaker 6>the depth of human depravity, which you know, how can

1:36:20.280 --> 1:36:24.760
<v Speaker 6>you turn on somebody in such a intense way. It's just,

1:36:25.120 --> 1:36:27.800
<v Speaker 6>you know, I still don't quite understand it, but you know,

1:36:28.000 --> 1:36:30.479
<v Speaker 6>I try to give a character some justification for.

1:36:32.080 --> 1:36:32.960
<v Speaker 5>Doing what he's doing.

1:36:33.720 --> 1:36:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And are you a method like you do so

1:36:37.080 --> 1:36:40.120
<v Speaker 2>many different accents and like so many different types of characters.

1:36:40.120 --> 1:36:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Do you stay in it the whole time? What is

1:36:41.800 --> 1:36:42.640
<v Speaker 3>your process with that?

1:36:43.240 --> 1:36:45.519
<v Speaker 6>No, I mean it depends on how intense it is.

1:36:45.520 --> 1:36:47.960
<v Speaker 6>It's you know, it's hard to you know, because there

1:36:47.960 --> 1:36:49.400
<v Speaker 6>are always people around I mean, I'm not the one

1:36:49.400 --> 1:36:51.479
<v Speaker 6>of that who just stays in it all the time,

1:36:51.920 --> 1:36:54.479
<v Speaker 6>but I do cut myself off, you know, depending on

1:36:54.800 --> 1:36:58.200
<v Speaker 6>how difficult I feel it is, I cut myself and

1:36:58.240 --> 1:37:00.320
<v Speaker 6>it's hard because you know, you've got people talking to you,

1:37:00.400 --> 1:37:02.240
<v Speaker 6>got your crew around you, and that sort of stuff

1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:06.080
<v Speaker 6>says that balance of not appearing rude but staying in

1:37:06.479 --> 1:37:10.120
<v Speaker 6>your space and trying not to you know. So I'm

1:37:10.160 --> 1:37:12.360
<v Speaker 6>not method in that sort of sense when it comes

1:37:12.439 --> 1:37:14.799
<v Speaker 6>to just staying in it, but I'm method in my approach,

1:37:14.840 --> 1:37:18.320
<v Speaker 6>I think in trying to deeply understand where a character

1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:21.840
<v Speaker 6>is coming from and his motivation, his his his whole existence.

1:37:22.600 --> 1:37:25.439
<v Speaker 5>So yes and no is an answer to that.

1:37:25.520 --> 1:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I suppose do you like being cast as like characters

1:37:30.720 --> 1:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>from I mean, you perform, You've done UK television and movies,

1:37:35.920 --> 1:37:39.920
<v Speaker 1>South Africa, Nigeria, the US, I mean people we just

1:37:39.920 --> 1:37:42.320
<v Speaker 1>talked to as If Monvi recently and like he has

1:37:42.400 --> 1:37:44.880
<v Speaker 1>a Americanized sort of British accent because he grew up

1:37:44.920 --> 1:37:47.640
<v Speaker 1>in Britain, and he like when they ask him to

1:37:47.640 --> 1:37:49.840
<v Speaker 1>do the accent. He has like a whole thing where

1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, he doesn't mind doing it, but sometimes he

1:37:52.120 --> 1:37:54.160
<v Speaker 1>does like, what do you when people ask you to

1:37:54.160 --> 1:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>play characters from like Nigeria or you know, like these

1:37:57.920 --> 1:37:58.559
<v Speaker 1>kind of characters.

1:37:58.600 --> 1:38:00.800
<v Speaker 3>Do you embrace that kind of work? Are you like?

1:38:00.960 --> 1:38:02.519
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I love it. I mean I love it.

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<v Speaker 6>So I've done all all those characters who put them

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<v Speaker 6>all over and yeah, I love it. You know, once

1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:09.360
<v Speaker 6>the work is there, then I get into it and try,

1:38:09.360 --> 1:38:11.880
<v Speaker 6>I mean and then try and you know, try and

1:38:11.920 --> 1:38:15.600
<v Speaker 6>get the accent down down as quickly as possible and

1:38:15.640 --> 1:38:18.280
<v Speaker 6>as thoroughly as possible. I mean, sometimes it's hard, you

1:38:18.320 --> 1:38:20.320
<v Speaker 6>know that they asked you to do. Like I just

1:38:20.439 --> 1:38:23.160
<v Speaker 6>did a film where I had to do a French

1:38:23.200 --> 1:38:26.240
<v Speaker 6>West African accent. I'm not quite sure how successful it was.

1:38:26.280 --> 1:38:28.760
<v Speaker 6>That the film is good, the film is great, it's

1:38:28.800 --> 1:38:31.240
<v Speaker 6>it's it's nominated for Berlin. I think it went to

1:38:31.280 --> 1:38:34.080
<v Speaker 6>Berlin the film first. So it's a Swedish film and

1:38:34.120 --> 1:38:37.200
<v Speaker 6>I do this French West having which is which is

1:38:37.320 --> 1:38:39.960
<v Speaker 6>quite hard because it's very specific. It's you know, it's French,

1:38:40.000 --> 1:38:44.479
<v Speaker 6>it's West African and he's speaking English and you know,

1:38:44.560 --> 1:38:48.000
<v Speaker 6>and sometimes with those they don't give the actors, you know,

1:38:49.320 --> 1:38:51.960
<v Speaker 6>enough time and enough resources.

1:38:51.400 --> 1:38:54.120
<v Speaker 5>To really delve in deeply enough.

1:38:54.160 --> 1:38:55.840
<v Speaker 6>And that's when I get frust That's when I get

1:38:55.880 --> 1:38:59.439
<v Speaker 6>sort of frustrated because you know, obviously, on the bigger movies,

1:38:59.479 --> 1:39:02.400
<v Speaker 6>when you were start, I give you, you know, months

1:39:02.400 --> 1:39:05.880
<v Speaker 6>and months and months to to to and a voice

1:39:05.920 --> 1:39:08.200
<v Speaker 6>coach and at this coach and that coach. On the

1:39:08.280 --> 1:39:10.519
<v Speaker 6>smaller movies and kind of movies, you know, you're thrown

1:39:10.560 --> 1:39:12.200
<v Speaker 6>in and deepen on your own and you you and

1:39:12.240 --> 1:39:16.560
<v Speaker 6>YouTube the the you know, and that's where it becomes frustrating.

1:39:16.640 --> 1:39:18.960
<v Speaker 6>So but but I love the chat. I love But

1:39:19.080 --> 1:39:21.880
<v Speaker 6>having said that, I mean I will always take the challenge.

1:39:22.240 --> 1:39:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah have you ever done American accent? I would love

1:39:25.560 --> 1:39:25.920
<v Speaker 1>to hear it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, you're not. You're not gonna hear it. You're

1:39:28.240 --> 1:39:28.720
<v Speaker 5>not gonna hear it.

1:39:28.720 --> 1:39:29.479
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, I done.

1:39:30.880 --> 1:39:32.320
<v Speaker 5>American many times.

1:39:32.360 --> 1:39:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Your accent is so amazing.

1:39:34.200 --> 1:39:36.840
<v Speaker 1>And then whenever somebody that has like a beautiful accent

1:39:36.880 --> 1:39:39.519
<v Speaker 1>does American, I feel like they're always like hot, like

1:39:39.680 --> 1:39:42.120
<v Speaker 1>HI like they do sort of like a valley, like

1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:43.840
<v Speaker 1>a stupid And.

1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:47.759
<v Speaker 5>I like that mine, mine goes, mine goes south.

1:39:47.960 --> 1:39:52.400
<v Speaker 6>Actually, when I when I intend to go southern, yeah you.

1:39:52.360 --> 1:39:54.680
<v Speaker 5>Know I did, Uh what have I done? I did?

1:39:54.760 --> 1:39:59.439
<v Speaker 6>Roots Roots Roots the remake up Roots, and there I

1:39:59.479 --> 1:40:04.320
<v Speaker 6>played southern Southern gentleman. I did a film called Daylight's End.

1:40:05.760 --> 1:40:08.200
<v Speaker 6>If you want to check my American action out critique

1:40:08.680 --> 1:40:10.599
<v Speaker 6>and it's a really it's a really nice film. It's

1:40:10.600 --> 1:40:15.200
<v Speaker 6>called Daylights Daylight's End. So if you like zombie movies,

1:40:15.240 --> 1:40:18.400
<v Speaker 6>it's a really good zombie movie and you can check

1:40:18.400 --> 1:40:19.800
<v Speaker 6>it out. You can check it out and you can

1:40:19.840 --> 1:40:22.519
<v Speaker 6>critique me. You can critique me from then tell me

1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:23.200
<v Speaker 6>if it's any.

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<v Speaker 2>Good stalking or I m dB. I notice you do

1:40:25.760 --> 1:40:29.720
<v Speaker 2>a lot of video game voiceover. Is that different than

1:40:29.960 --> 1:40:32.360
<v Speaker 2>normal voiceover acting or what's that?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a It is very different

1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:37.360
<v Speaker 6>and I love I love doing the voice service.

1:40:37.400 --> 1:40:38.160
<v Speaker 5>It's a lot of fun.

1:40:38.400 --> 1:40:40.760
<v Speaker 6>It can be quite intense and it's different, but it's

1:40:40.760 --> 1:40:43.000
<v Speaker 6>depending on the type of voiceover you're doing. It can

1:40:43.040 --> 1:40:45.759
<v Speaker 6>be quite heightened. So it's not like being on stage,

1:40:45.760 --> 1:40:47.880
<v Speaker 6>and it's not like doing a TV or a film.

1:40:47.920 --> 1:40:50.840
<v Speaker 6>It's it's somewhere in between all of those where you

1:40:50.880 --> 1:40:53.040
<v Speaker 6>have to because it's just a voice, you have to

1:40:53.400 --> 1:40:55.880
<v Speaker 6>heighten everything a bit and and then then give them

1:40:55.920 --> 1:40:58.920
<v Speaker 6>something the characters a bit, A bit more heightened than

1:40:59.280 --> 1:41:02.400
<v Speaker 6>being as naturalistic as you might do on a television

1:41:02.439 --> 1:41:04.720
<v Speaker 6>or a film. Yeah, I just love being in a

1:41:04.840 --> 1:41:07.160
<v Speaker 6>sound studio. It's just a lot of fun. And they

1:41:07.200 --> 1:41:09.439
<v Speaker 6>get you to, you know, because you know, you're really

1:41:09.560 --> 1:41:11.840
<v Speaker 6>putting the effort in there, and they get you to

1:41:11.880 --> 1:41:14.000
<v Speaker 6>do these different you know, not only that you and

1:41:14.080 --> 1:41:17.120
<v Speaker 6>the voice, but you're doing different sort of struggle sounds,

1:41:17.160 --> 1:41:20.000
<v Speaker 6>and you know, and it's it's being paid to be

1:41:20.040 --> 1:41:23.280
<v Speaker 6>really silly sometimes and so it's quite fun.

1:41:23.600 --> 1:41:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Do you play video games?

1:41:25.240 --> 1:41:25.679
<v Speaker 5>I don't.

1:41:25.920 --> 1:41:27.439
<v Speaker 3>Do you play the games you are in now?

1:41:27.600 --> 1:41:29.800
<v Speaker 6>Not at all, Not at all at all. I'm not

1:41:29.840 --> 1:41:33.040
<v Speaker 6>a video game I remember doing the Halo. I did

1:41:33.200 --> 1:41:35.559
<v Speaker 6>the Halo, one of the very first Halos, and people

1:41:35.600 --> 1:41:37.960
<v Speaker 6>were going on and I never played it and I

1:41:38.040 --> 1:41:40.400
<v Speaker 6>never you know, I had no idea about about it

1:41:40.479 --> 1:41:41.800
<v Speaker 6>until I did the video game.

1:41:42.000 --> 1:41:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Well then I also saw you were in you did

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<v Speaker 1>a video game of like a character that you played,

1:41:46.439 --> 1:41:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I think, right, Like, didn't you do the video game

1:41:48.360 --> 1:41:50.559
<v Speaker 1>voice of the same character that you played? And like

1:41:50.680 --> 1:41:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I think the Pirates of the Caribbean.

1:41:53.400 --> 1:41:54.679
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's right, Yes I did.

1:41:54.720 --> 1:41:55.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it'd be fun.

1:41:55.439 --> 1:41:58.000
<v Speaker 1>You get like we've already developed the characters and I'll

1:41:58.040 --> 1:41:59.519
<v Speaker 1>just get in there and do some video game.

1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:03.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, exactly, double take. So it was a lot of fun.

1:42:03.320 --> 1:42:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, huge movie, how is it? It was a lot

1:42:06.720 --> 1:42:08.320
<v Speaker 2>of green screen and all that stuff.

1:42:08.880 --> 1:42:11.920
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean I did all my my From what

1:42:12.000 --> 1:42:14.639
<v Speaker 6>I remember, most of my stuff was in the green

1:42:14.720 --> 1:42:17.240
<v Speaker 6>screen and in the Disney stage. And that was when

1:42:17.240 --> 1:42:20.720
<v Speaker 6>I first got to LA. So it was very, very

1:42:20.920 --> 1:42:23.360
<v Speaker 6>very exciting for me in terms of just coming off

1:42:23.360 --> 1:42:25.160
<v Speaker 6>the boat. I was living in South Africa, and I

1:42:25.360 --> 1:42:27.000
<v Speaker 6>just got off the boat more or less from South

1:42:27.040 --> 1:42:31.519
<v Speaker 6>Africa and into the Disney studio there on wherever that

1:42:31.680 --> 1:42:34.639
<v Speaker 6>is in the LA and yeah, straight straight onto set,

1:42:34.680 --> 1:42:38.640
<v Speaker 6>and then there's there's myself my trailers. Next it was outside,

1:42:39.080 --> 1:42:42.160
<v Speaker 6>and Johnny Depp's trailer was next to mine, and then

1:42:42.479 --> 1:42:45.080
<v Speaker 6>Keith Richards was there and here at night he was

1:42:45.120 --> 1:42:48.280
<v Speaker 6>there and and I was you know, Yeah, it was

1:42:48.360 --> 1:42:51.679
<v Speaker 6>quite an amazing thing, and they were all very very lovely,

1:42:51.720 --> 1:42:54.160
<v Speaker 6>and you know, so it was a really lovely just

1:42:54.160 --> 1:42:56.200
<v Speaker 6>a really lovely experience. And then yeah, and then then

1:42:56.240 --> 1:42:58.759
<v Speaker 6>the massive ship that they built inside and a massive

1:42:58.760 --> 1:43:02.360
<v Speaker 6>green screen. Yeah, it was a really amazing experience, especially

1:43:02.360 --> 1:43:04.760
<v Speaker 6>because it was my first my first big I mean

1:43:04.840 --> 1:43:07.240
<v Speaker 6>Hotel One is a big film, but that was my

1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:10.479
<v Speaker 6>first thing in actually in Hollywood itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're saying love you know, all of these lovely experiences.

1:43:13.760 --> 1:43:15.639
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to name names, but can you tell

1:43:15.720 --> 1:43:17.680
<v Speaker 2>us once since you have so much experience of like

1:43:17.840 --> 1:43:22.880
<v Speaker 2>a nightmare situation or someone that was acting crazy on set?

1:43:24.640 --> 1:43:26.960
<v Speaker 5>You know, I'm going to think about it.

1:43:27.000 --> 1:43:30.599
<v Speaker 6>I don't nothing stands out to anybody acting crazy on

1:43:30.720 --> 1:43:33.400
<v Speaker 6>set in front of me anyway. So, I mean there

1:43:33.439 --> 1:43:36.400
<v Speaker 6>was one case where the actor and is a big actor,

1:43:36.439 --> 1:43:39.280
<v Speaker 6>and I didn't again, you know, I was in South

1:43:39.280 --> 1:43:43.639
<v Speaker 6>Africa and this big a list actor that left everybody

1:43:43.680 --> 1:43:46.400
<v Speaker 6>waiting for you know, and I was on my throne,

1:43:47.080 --> 1:43:49.559
<v Speaker 6>dressed up, ready to go, and the sun's beating down

1:43:49.600 --> 1:43:52.439
<v Speaker 6>and there's hundreds and hundreds of extras, and you know,

1:43:52.520 --> 1:43:55.400
<v Speaker 6>this actor decides to come an hour and a half

1:43:55.560 --> 1:43:59.679
<v Speaker 6>later to set. And I, again, because of my naivety,

1:43:59.720 --> 1:44:02.040
<v Speaker 6>I was very you know, I'm not happy with it.

1:44:02.080 --> 1:44:03.559
<v Speaker 6>And I just said to him, what's wrong with you?

1:44:03.560 --> 1:44:05.880
<v Speaker 6>You kept everybody waiting? And so he just looked at

1:44:05.920 --> 1:44:07.479
<v Speaker 6>me and was like, but.

1:44:08.000 --> 1:44:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm glad you exactly.

1:44:14.000 --> 1:44:17.000
<v Speaker 6>He didn't, but we had. We saw him in the restaurant.

1:44:17.000 --> 1:44:18.880
<v Speaker 6>I don't remember him saying anything. I just remember him

1:44:18.880 --> 1:44:21.400
<v Speaker 6>looking over looking at me, and it wasn't malice. It

1:44:21.479 --> 1:44:24.559
<v Speaker 6>was just like, okay, sorry, good thing and there. And

1:44:24.600 --> 1:44:26.360
<v Speaker 6>then I saw him in the restaurant with his family

1:44:26.479 --> 1:44:28.360
<v Speaker 6>a couple of days later, and he came over and

1:44:28.400 --> 1:44:31.000
<v Speaker 6>we had a good chance. So yeah, but that was

1:44:31.040 --> 1:44:33.400
<v Speaker 6>just weird because I was surprised at the director not

1:44:33.720 --> 1:44:35.880
<v Speaker 6>being a bit more upset. But then, hey, listen, it's

1:44:35.920 --> 1:44:39.120
<v Speaker 6>a big star, you know, Yeah.

1:44:38.160 --> 1:44:39.759
<v Speaker 5>But I didn't.

1:44:40.320 --> 1:44:42.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, these people need to be called out.

1:44:42.840 --> 1:44:46.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, but I give it hasn't happened often.

1:44:46.040 --> 1:44:48.439
<v Speaker 6>And you know, the bigger the star, the more generous

1:44:48.479 --> 1:44:52.439
<v Speaker 6>they are. In my experience, it's lovely. I mean, I've

1:44:52.439 --> 1:44:55.720
<v Speaker 6>got a great story about Don Cheedle when I first

1:44:56.000 --> 1:44:59.080
<v Speaker 6>When I first God, so we were on set and

1:44:59.120 --> 1:45:01.880
<v Speaker 6>I worked closely with him because our characters work closely together,

1:45:02.479 --> 1:45:04.160
<v Speaker 6>and I was like, you know, we were just having

1:45:04.160 --> 1:45:06.200
<v Speaker 6>a chat and he said, oh, yeah, you know, you know,

1:45:06.320 --> 1:45:08.080
<v Speaker 6>if you ever planned to go to America, I said, yeah,

1:45:08.120 --> 1:45:09.800
<v Speaker 6>you know, I'd love to come to America and see

1:45:09.800 --> 1:45:11.840
<v Speaker 6>what it's like and sort of and that was the thing,

1:45:11.840 --> 1:45:13.439
<v Speaker 6>and he said, well, look here, if you come here's

1:45:13.479 --> 1:45:15.679
<v Speaker 6>my number, blah blah blah and all that sort of stuff.

1:45:16.360 --> 1:45:19.280
<v Speaker 6>You know, just get in touch and pass. Forward to

1:45:19.320 --> 1:45:21.920
<v Speaker 6>about a year later. The film's about the Cowles come

1:45:21.920 --> 1:45:23.679
<v Speaker 6>out or about to come out, and I think, yeah,

1:45:23.680 --> 1:45:25.880
<v Speaker 6>I'm going to you know, a couple of people said

1:45:25.920 --> 1:45:28.360
<v Speaker 6>you should try America, so I thought, let me try America.

1:45:28.400 --> 1:45:31.080
<v Speaker 5>I get out to America and I'm there and I.

1:45:31.040 --> 1:45:33.479
<v Speaker 6>Think, oh, yeah, I've got this guy's number, and I

1:45:33.560 --> 1:45:35.400
<v Speaker 6>give him a core thing, but thinking, you know, it's

1:45:35.400 --> 1:45:37.200
<v Speaker 6>probably one of those yeah I take my numbers, like

1:45:37.520 --> 1:45:39.560
<v Speaker 6>really call me thing. So I call him up and

1:45:39.600 --> 1:45:42.920
<v Speaker 6>he says, oh, yo, hi, Yeah, listen, I can't come

1:45:42.920 --> 1:45:45.559
<v Speaker 6>out right now, you know, you know, but because I've

1:45:45.600 --> 1:45:47.120
<v Speaker 6>hurt my leg, But why don't you come over to

1:45:47.160 --> 1:45:50.120
<v Speaker 6>the house. So I went over to his house and

1:45:50.760 --> 1:45:53.080
<v Speaker 6>showed him. Now I'm really embarrassed, but I showed him

1:45:53.080 --> 1:45:54.679
<v Speaker 6>my show Lord that I had at the time, which

1:45:54.680 --> 1:45:57.120
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure.

1:45:57.560 --> 1:45:58.160
<v Speaker 5>You know what I mean.

1:45:58.280 --> 1:46:00.200
<v Speaker 6>But he sat there and he watched it, and you know,

1:46:00.240 --> 1:46:02.960
<v Speaker 6>I dragged tea and met his wife and just you know,

1:46:03.400 --> 1:46:06.880
<v Speaker 6>and it just again, and I'll always tell that story,

1:46:07.040 --> 1:46:09.920
<v Speaker 6>just really down to earth and I mean, you know,

1:46:09.960 --> 1:46:12.120
<v Speaker 6>he didn't know me apart from working on the film.

1:46:12.160 --> 1:46:14.679
<v Speaker 6>He give me his number, invites me to his home

1:46:15.840 --> 1:46:19.600
<v Speaker 6>to have tea and coffee and and and and just

1:46:19.640 --> 1:46:21.679
<v Speaker 6>helped me sort of. You know, I had questions about

1:46:21.720 --> 1:46:24.000
<v Speaker 6>what it's like being in America, what it's like being

1:46:24.280 --> 1:46:26.519
<v Speaker 6>black in America as an actor, all of those sort

1:46:26.520 --> 1:46:28.760
<v Speaker 6>of questions, and he just it was fantastic. He just

1:46:28.800 --> 1:46:32.400
<v Speaker 6>sort of answered me and then watched my dreadful show

1:46:32.439 --> 1:46:35.599
<v Speaker 6>real and and it was really polite and it was

1:46:35.760 --> 1:46:39.960
<v Speaker 6>just a lovely yes, yeah, you know, and he again,

1:46:40.040 --> 1:46:42.439
<v Speaker 6>you know, I don't know if if he even remember

1:46:42.479 --> 1:46:46.120
<v Speaker 6>that story, you know, but to me, it was, you know, yeah,

1:46:46.920 --> 1:46:48.080
<v Speaker 6>huge made a big.

1:46:48.640 --> 1:46:51.360
<v Speaker 3>What an amazing introduction to America.

1:46:51.479 --> 1:46:54.240
<v Speaker 1>You get here, you go to Don Cheetle's house for tea,

1:46:54.800 --> 1:46:58.479
<v Speaker 1>you're on the Disney sound stage doing Pirate. The next year,

1:46:59.080 --> 1:47:02.200
<v Speaker 1>you're in New York doing orders, running through the streets,

1:47:02.200 --> 1:47:06.240
<v Speaker 1>getting chased by Christopher Maloney. I mean, yeah, no one's

1:47:06.240 --> 1:47:07.800
<v Speaker 1>had an intro to America like that.

1:47:08.200 --> 1:47:11.960
<v Speaker 2>And then I'm just going through your your IMDb going

1:47:12.000 --> 1:47:17.360
<v Speaker 2>who was the bad celebrity.

1:47:18.520 --> 1:47:20.800
<v Speaker 3>Where did you guys shoot the show Black Sales? You

1:47:20.800 --> 1:47:23.120
<v Speaker 3>were a regular on that show Black Sales? So where

1:47:23.200 --> 1:47:23.759
<v Speaker 3>was that shot?

1:47:24.439 --> 1:47:26.800
<v Speaker 5>That was shot in Cape Town? Actually? Oh wow, that

1:47:26.880 --> 1:47:28.080
<v Speaker 5>was shot in Cape Town.

1:47:28.160 --> 1:47:29.640
<v Speaker 6>So I was, you know, it was nice for me

1:47:29.680 --> 1:47:31.960
<v Speaker 6>because I'd been living in America and then suddenly got

1:47:32.000 --> 1:47:35.360
<v Speaker 6>this regular on this Cape Town which then that's what

1:47:35.400 --> 1:47:37.920
<v Speaker 6>prompted the sort of move back actually sort of thing,

1:47:38.280 --> 1:47:40.920
<v Speaker 6>and that's when I started to commute from Cape Town

1:47:40.960 --> 1:47:41.639
<v Speaker 6>to South Africa.

1:47:41.720 --> 1:47:42.200
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I was.

1:47:42.240 --> 1:47:44.559
<v Speaker 6>I was in from the LA to cel Abria, but

1:47:44.640 --> 1:47:47.280
<v Speaker 6>I was in the LA and came to Cape Town.

1:47:47.360 --> 1:47:50.680
<v Speaker 6>We shot it on set in the studio, most of

1:47:50.720 --> 1:47:52.719
<v Speaker 6>it on the studio on a lot in the back

1:47:52.760 --> 1:47:56.040
<v Speaker 6>lot of the studio that they just built with a massive,

1:47:56.160 --> 1:48:01.360
<v Speaker 6>massive blue ski screen. But Deck Town ships real sort

1:48:01.360 --> 1:48:05.200
<v Speaker 6>of build real ships that were they built to spec

1:48:05.960 --> 1:48:07.120
<v Speaker 6>and put on the back lot.

1:48:07.320 --> 1:48:09.919
<v Speaker 5>So it was again, it was really interesting.

1:48:10.680 --> 1:48:12.440
<v Speaker 3>And did you work with Zach McGowan.

1:48:13.040 --> 1:48:15.360
<v Speaker 5>I did, and I just there was a retroceress.

1:48:15.439 --> 1:48:16.960
<v Speaker 6>I was just in l A and they did a

1:48:17.600 --> 1:48:21.880
<v Speaker 6>Netflix have just brought uh from just brought the series.

1:48:21.920 --> 1:48:24.880
<v Speaker 6>So they are launching this now launched on it's own

1:48:25.000 --> 1:48:27.880
<v Speaker 6>now on You can watch all four episode four seasons

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<v Speaker 6>on Netflix. Oh cool, so yes, and and Zach was there.

1:48:32.560 --> 1:48:34.880
<v Speaker 5>Zach was there. He's great, a former guest.

1:48:35.200 --> 1:48:36.440
<v Speaker 3>He's been on our podcast.

1:48:36.600 --> 1:48:37.080
<v Speaker 5>There he go.

1:48:38.040 --> 1:48:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I wanted you to know that he was on and

1:48:40.160 --> 1:48:41.920
<v Speaker 1>he's on one of the most classic Law and Order

1:48:42.040 --> 1:48:45.840
<v Speaker 1>s View episodes where he's very sexy floutest.

1:48:45.880 --> 1:48:47.680
<v Speaker 3>He's a professional floutist.

1:48:49.040 --> 1:48:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Was around the world playing flute and wow, you know

1:48:52.680 --> 1:48:54.120
<v Speaker 1>has a bad night, he.

1:48:54.160 --> 1:48:56.360
<v Speaker 3>Has a really bad night. Was a really bad night.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh. Yeah, he's great back and you know, we had

1:49:01.800 --> 1:49:04.759
<v Speaker 5>a great catch up. And you know, he says.

1:49:04.720 --> 1:49:06.080
<v Speaker 6>You got to come and stay, man, you got to

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<v Speaker 6>come and stay see the family and all that sort

1:49:07.920 --> 1:49:08.280
<v Speaker 6>of stuff.

1:49:08.360 --> 1:49:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's almost like he's like, We're like, how do

1:49:12.840 --> 1:49:15.400
<v Speaker 1>you stay so jacked? He's like, I drink beer with

1:49:15.439 --> 1:49:17.439
<v Speaker 1>my kids. Like I just play with my kids and

1:49:17.520 --> 1:49:20.600
<v Speaker 1>drink beer. And like he was eat he doesn't.

1:49:20.400 --> 1:49:26.320
<v Speaker 5>Meat, eat meat, just meet raw meat. That's how he

1:49:26.360 --> 1:49:27.520
<v Speaker 5>stays so buzzed.

1:49:27.200 --> 1:49:33.280
<v Speaker 1>And brother jacked man in Hollywood exactly, exactly, very sweet. Well,

1:49:33.320 --> 1:49:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I was reading that you and this is like an

1:49:35.400 --> 1:49:37.000
<v Speaker 1>article from a few years ago, but that you went

1:49:37.040 --> 1:49:39.800
<v Speaker 1>back to Nigeria to like train filmmakers there.

1:49:40.240 --> 1:49:40.519
<v Speaker 5>I did.

1:49:40.760 --> 1:49:42.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm still involved in that.

1:49:42.479 --> 1:49:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Like bringing helping filmmakers, you know, move up in Nigeria.

1:49:47.920 --> 1:49:50.280
<v Speaker 6>And yeah, I mean it's not so I'm not so

1:49:50.360 --> 1:49:52.799
<v Speaker 6>much doing the training because I've just been busy, luckily

1:49:52.840 --> 1:49:56.519
<v Speaker 6>being busy just doing my working. But it really is

1:49:56.560 --> 1:49:58.360
<v Speaker 6>about and then now, you know, every now and then

1:49:58.360 --> 1:50:00.760
<v Speaker 6>somebody will ask me to to do a film in

1:50:00.840 --> 1:50:03.080
<v Speaker 6>Nigeria and I'll have a look at them and I

1:50:03.240 --> 1:50:06.720
<v Speaker 6>love a look at the script and then and see

1:50:06.720 --> 1:50:08.960
<v Speaker 6>where they're coming from, and then you know, take it,

1:50:09.520 --> 1:50:11.080
<v Speaker 6>take it. Sort of yes, I'll come, and if you

1:50:11.120 --> 1:50:12.559
<v Speaker 6>don't have to pay me that much, but I'll come

1:50:12.600 --> 1:50:14.840
<v Speaker 6>anywhere because I like it and it'll be a good

1:50:15.080 --> 1:50:17.439
<v Speaker 6>exercise for you and me and so.

1:50:17.640 --> 1:50:18.400
<v Speaker 5>Everyone and I do.

1:50:18.640 --> 1:50:20.479
<v Speaker 6>I do that, And I love being in touch with

1:50:20.560 --> 1:50:23.800
<v Speaker 6>the Nigerian industry, which I feel is growing and has

1:50:23.920 --> 1:50:26.880
<v Speaker 6>so much, so much more potential. And the idea of

1:50:26.920 --> 1:50:30.120
<v Speaker 6>beginning to tell our African stories from an African perspective

1:50:30.120 --> 1:50:32.719
<v Speaker 6>in an African way, it's very very.

1:50:32.560 --> 1:50:33.280
<v Speaker 5>Exciting to me.

1:50:33.400 --> 1:50:36.280
<v Speaker 6>So I want to be part of that revolution evolution

1:50:36.960 --> 1:50:38.840
<v Speaker 6>as well. So this is why I keep going back

1:50:38.880 --> 1:50:41.400
<v Speaker 6>and done doing it and also creating my own stuff

1:50:41.439 --> 1:50:44.080
<v Speaker 6>as well, which I'm beginning to do got TV series

1:50:44.080 --> 1:50:46.439
<v Speaker 6>which I've just begun to what I've worked on during

1:50:46.479 --> 1:50:50.000
<v Speaker 6>the strike. And you know, now we're fuming out and

1:50:50.000 --> 1:50:52.400
<v Speaker 6>getting a little bit of interest in the film, which

1:50:52.400 --> 1:50:55.320
<v Speaker 6>I'm very passionate about, and they're all ready to sort

1:50:55.360 --> 1:50:57.200
<v Speaker 6>of now get people to have a look at and

1:50:57.240 --> 1:50:58.400
<v Speaker 6>see if we can get any interest.

1:50:58.439 --> 1:50:59.519
<v Speaker 5>So that's exciting.

1:50:59.520 --> 1:51:03.160
<v Speaker 6>And they all are all sort of Afro centric, apro conscious,

1:51:03.560 --> 1:51:05.599
<v Speaker 6>so that's where I'm That's where I want my work

1:51:05.680 --> 1:51:07.360
<v Speaker 6>to sort of expand into.

1:51:08.320 --> 1:51:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Do you I'm looking at your upcoming Do you want

1:51:10.400 --> 1:51:13.599
<v Speaker 2>to plug anything that's coming out?

1:51:14.560 --> 1:51:16.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yes, I will plug something out because I've just

1:51:16.920 --> 1:51:21.040
<v Speaker 6>directed my first movie, so my first feature film. I've

1:51:21.040 --> 1:51:23.519
<v Speaker 6>never directed before, and I directed the first feature film

1:51:23.560 --> 1:51:28.400
<v Speaker 6>and it's called It's the Blackness. It's the Blackness, yes,

1:51:28.439 --> 1:51:30.480
<v Speaker 6>and hopefully it will come out towards.

1:51:30.160 --> 1:51:30.920
<v Speaker 5>The end of this year.

1:51:31.160 --> 1:51:34.680
<v Speaker 6>We're busy doing finishing off the edit now and it

1:51:34.720 --> 1:51:37.200
<v Speaker 6>was all shot in London and it's again it's a

1:51:37.320 --> 1:51:41.400
<v Speaker 6>Nigerian space and a Nigerian British student and a Jamaican

1:51:42.080 --> 1:51:45.120
<v Speaker 6>Jamaican student who come out of university and try and

1:51:45.160 --> 1:51:47.799
<v Speaker 6>get jobs in the in the UK, in the system,

1:51:47.840 --> 1:51:49.799
<v Speaker 6>and they finally they come up against a glass ceiling.

1:51:49.880 --> 1:51:53.400
<v Speaker 6>And so it's a story about sort of love and family.

1:51:53.600 --> 1:52:00.080
<v Speaker 6>It's a comedy and also institutional and institutional racism and

1:52:00.439 --> 1:52:02.800
<v Speaker 6>you know, and and things like that. It's a really

1:52:02.840 --> 1:52:05.560
<v Speaker 6>lovely little comic but done in a you know, a

1:52:05.720 --> 1:52:06.800
<v Speaker 6>humorous way.

1:52:07.200 --> 1:52:08.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and your stars are cute.

1:52:08.800 --> 1:52:15.160
<v Speaker 1>These guys want to make it a grand guy, that's right.

1:52:15.320 --> 1:52:18.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah. I love the wardrobe, looking at the picks.

1:52:18.200 --> 1:52:20.000
<v Speaker 3>The wardrobe already is yeah.

1:52:20.320 --> 1:52:20.679
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1:52:20.760 --> 1:52:24.200
<v Speaker 6>So that's that's my first foray into into being behind

1:52:24.240 --> 1:52:25.920
<v Speaker 6>the camera instead of in front of it.

1:52:26.439 --> 1:52:28.920
<v Speaker 1>And where can where did you say it's going to

1:52:28.920 --> 1:52:29.520
<v Speaker 1>be available?

1:52:30.280 --> 1:52:33.720
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it will be available hopefully towards the end of

1:52:33.720 --> 1:52:37.880
<v Speaker 6>this year. We're not sure where, but yeah, hopefully books

1:52:37.880 --> 1:52:38.720
<v Speaker 6>towards the end of this year.

1:52:39.040 --> 1:52:40.800
<v Speaker 3>It will be available and eye out for it.

1:52:41.520 --> 1:52:42.880
<v Speaker 5>Thank you, yeah, thank you.

1:52:42.960 --> 1:52:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, our first interview from Africa. We've talked

1:52:46.400 --> 1:52:49.920
<v Speaker 1>to somebody who's been and now we got to keep

1:52:50.240 --> 1:52:51.280
<v Speaker 1>knocking off continents.

1:52:51.320 --> 1:52:52.640
<v Speaker 3>This is great. Thank you.

1:52:52.680 --> 1:52:54.560
<v Speaker 1>We know you're jet lagged, and we really appreciate you

1:52:54.640 --> 1:52:55.720
<v Speaker 1>taking the time to talk to.

1:52:55.720 --> 1:52:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Us and watch your episode. It'll be a nice warmer episode.

1:52:59.760 --> 1:53:01.280
<v Speaker 5>I will do yes, I will do.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool.

1:53:06.000 --> 1:53:09.000
<v Speaker 2>He really did give us tea no names, but tea

1:53:09.080 --> 1:53:10.479
<v Speaker 2>is good no names.

1:53:10.680 --> 1:53:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we you know you can cross reference with the

1:53:12.640 --> 1:53:17.760
<v Speaker 1>IMDb's Yeah, we love our detective work. Damn this episode

1:53:18.479 --> 1:53:20.800
<v Speaker 1>so wild. I just like, didn't.

1:53:21.760 --> 1:53:22.160
<v Speaker 3>I didn't.

1:53:22.360 --> 1:53:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't seen this one in a while, even though

1:53:23.880 --> 1:53:25.679
<v Speaker 1>I've seen it so many times, and I was like, ohyah,

1:53:25.680 --> 1:53:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I forgot that the lawyer lady does it that the

1:53:28.040 --> 1:53:30.000
<v Speaker 1>lawyer wife does it crazy.

1:53:30.080 --> 1:53:33.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you really do think it's method man for most

1:53:33.720 --> 1:53:33.920
<v Speaker 2>of it.

1:53:34.320 --> 1:53:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you know, let's not judge a rapper by

1:53:38.920 --> 1:53:40.360
<v Speaker 1>his cover even though he was a criminal.

1:53:40.400 --> 1:53:44.240
<v Speaker 3>He was a criminal. He killed c Yeah, you're dead.

1:53:44.479 --> 1:53:48.000
<v Speaker 3>You're dead. Everyone you love is dead. I mean the

1:53:48.080 --> 1:53:48.880
<v Speaker 3>acting's great.

1:53:49.160 --> 1:53:51.320
<v Speaker 2>He did save the fifteen year old, but then he

1:53:51.360 --> 1:53:53.800
<v Speaker 2>did fall in love with her, like I'm sorry, it's

1:53:54.120 --> 1:53:57.120
<v Speaker 2>I know, oh not to go back to Instagram and

1:53:57.200 --> 1:54:00.160
<v Speaker 2>the hell that they feed me. But it was like

1:54:00.200 --> 1:54:01.920
<v Speaker 2>a man on the street and they were like, if

1:54:01.920 --> 1:54:05.400
<v Speaker 2>there weren't laws, how young would you want to like

1:54:06.520 --> 1:54:09.719
<v Speaker 2>have relations with a person. And this guy said ten

1:54:10.720 --> 1:54:16.519
<v Speaker 2>on camera, like what like what what? That's crazy. It's

1:54:16.880 --> 1:54:19.720
<v Speaker 2>just we're we're going back. We're going back to the

1:54:19.800 --> 1:54:23.599
<v Speaker 2>dark agent. No, I get ready, get ready motherfuckers? I mean,

1:54:23.800 --> 1:54:25.360
<v Speaker 2>oh my god.

1:54:26.080 --> 1:54:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I guess the post mortem on this

1:54:28.920 --> 1:54:32.440
<v Speaker 1>is like, I don't I don't see how polygamy works.

1:54:32.520 --> 1:54:33.400
<v Speaker 3>I really don't.

1:54:33.480 --> 1:54:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Like if it's not gonna be the man doing something

1:54:36.440 --> 1:54:38.600
<v Speaker 1>fucked up like what happened in the real crime, it's

1:54:38.640 --> 1:54:40.640
<v Speaker 1>the women are killing each other like what happened in

1:54:40.640 --> 1:54:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the episode.

1:54:41.520 --> 1:54:45.200
<v Speaker 3>Just don't get married or stick to one wife at

1:54:45.240 --> 1:54:45.600
<v Speaker 3>a time.

1:54:46.240 --> 1:54:49.680
<v Speaker 2>I have multiple. Everyone gets to fuck each other. Like,

1:54:50.000 --> 1:54:52.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It has to be a full equal

1:54:52.920 --> 1:54:56.839
<v Speaker 2>society for me to think that polygamy works.

1:54:57.160 --> 1:54:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a twenty person pollocule that they just talked

1:54:59.880 --> 1:55:01.760
<v Speaker 1>to in New York Magazine.

1:55:01.800 --> 1:55:03.600
<v Speaker 3>I think a couple of weeks ago.

1:55:04.160 --> 1:55:07.280
<v Speaker 2>I've been subscribing, I've been getting the paper ones have

1:55:07.360 --> 1:55:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I read one full article.

1:55:09.560 --> 1:55:11.600
<v Speaker 1>No, I cannot happened to me when I got Vanity

1:55:11.640 --> 1:55:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Fair and then they just stacked up and I would

1:55:13.640 --> 1:55:15.160
<v Speaker 1>bring them to pools and then I would just talk

1:55:15.200 --> 1:55:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the whole time, Like you know, it's like when am

1:55:17.000 --> 1:55:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I reading a magazine?

1:55:18.200 --> 1:55:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Come on anyway, a wild episode. Let's wait.

1:55:25.480 --> 1:55:27.520
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to what's this pot? Will you say? What's

1:55:27.560 --> 1:55:28.560
<v Speaker 2>in this pollocule?

1:55:28.680 --> 1:55:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Or whatever? I just literally saw the Instagram.

1:55:32.080 --> 1:55:34.680
<v Speaker 1>There's twenty people that are in a relationship with each other,

1:55:34.720 --> 1:55:36.839
<v Speaker 1>and it's like the articles about like the inner workings

1:55:36.880 --> 1:55:39.280
<v Speaker 1>of like how these twenty people all fuck each other

1:55:39.320 --> 1:55:40.480
<v Speaker 1>and are in a pollocule?

1:55:41.280 --> 1:55:42.680
<v Speaker 3>But I don't I don't know. I don't know.

1:55:42.760 --> 1:55:46.360
<v Speaker 1>You gotta flip open your paper copy and see what happened.

1:55:46.520 --> 1:55:48.840
<v Speaker 3>I know, I don't know. Maybe they're on a drug

1:55:48.960 --> 1:55:49.440
<v Speaker 3>or something.

1:55:49.680 --> 1:55:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it's possible, but it needs to be like

1:55:53.720 --> 1:55:54.680
<v Speaker 2>full equality.

1:55:55.360 --> 1:55:57.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I've been hanging out with a thrupple a.

1:55:57.480 --> 1:56:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Lot, and one can't be fifteen. Yeah, I didn't know

1:56:00.960 --> 1:56:02.120
<v Speaker 2>your friends with a threatle.

1:56:02.280 --> 1:56:04.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm friends with a throupple through other friends and I've

1:56:04.200 --> 1:56:05.920
<v Speaker 1>been hanging out with them a lot, and they're really

1:56:05.960 --> 1:56:09.200
<v Speaker 1>cool and they seem like they're having a very uh,

1:56:09.440 --> 1:56:12.160
<v Speaker 1>equally balanced relationship and it's all good.

1:56:12.320 --> 1:56:15.800
<v Speaker 2>So I know someone that would date a couple, but

1:56:15.840 --> 1:56:18.960
<v Speaker 2>they're never the main But then they all broke up

1:56:18.960 --> 1:56:20.440
<v Speaker 2>and she just ended up dating the woman.

1:56:21.240 --> 1:56:23.960
<v Speaker 3>I think that they are all together, you know.

1:56:24.000 --> 1:56:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, full it's full full throutble anyway, Well.

1:56:28.000 --> 1:56:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I think right now people are also like

1:56:31.080 --> 1:56:35.280
<v Speaker 2>like old single people are living together now too. Yeah,

1:56:35.640 --> 1:56:37.600
<v Speaker 2>do what you gotta do, you know, I know, I

1:56:37.720 --> 1:56:40.800
<v Speaker 2>just I hate the idea that everyone was forced into

1:56:40.920 --> 1:56:44.880
<v Speaker 2>this like specific way when you know it seems like

1:56:44.960 --> 1:56:45.680
<v Speaker 2>it it's.

1:56:45.640 --> 1:56:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Different for people. Yeah, yeah, for sure, it's just so

1:56:50.720 --> 1:56:51.760
<v Speaker 3>it's just weird to me.

1:56:53.360 --> 1:56:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Like monogamy any No, I mean in terms of like

1:56:58.240 --> 1:57:02.320
<v Speaker 2>just forcing anything, because like what if these people that

1:57:02.360 --> 1:57:05.040
<v Speaker 2>are like friends and older, they love the way they live,

1:57:05.120 --> 1:57:07.480
<v Speaker 2>and then they start a religion and start forcing everyone

1:57:07.520 --> 1:57:09.160
<v Speaker 2>to do it, and if you don't do it, you're

1:57:09.240 --> 1:57:12.160
<v Speaker 2>shunned out of society and you can't come to this church.

1:57:12.200 --> 1:57:14.400
<v Speaker 2>And if you're it's like, you know, that would be

1:57:14.440 --> 1:57:17.080
<v Speaker 2>seen bonkers. You know, you're laughing at it. But then

1:57:17.080 --> 1:57:20.480
<v Speaker 2>the but we do it the other like so many way.

1:57:20.600 --> 1:57:22.640
<v Speaker 2>I just don't get the mentality. Going back to that

1:57:22.680 --> 1:57:26.120
<v Speaker 2>guy doing this speech, like yah, dude, if your wife

1:57:26.240 --> 1:57:29.720
<v Speaker 2>loves being at home watching you crush it gets full

1:57:29.840 --> 1:57:31.160
<v Speaker 2>joy gets joy.

1:57:31.000 --> 1:57:34.560
<v Speaker 3>From God cleaning and your children. I can't.

1:57:34.680 --> 1:57:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I am so happy for her that she's living this

1:57:37.080 --> 1:57:38.400
<v Speaker 2>blessed life with the two of you.

1:57:39.080 --> 1:57:41.120
<v Speaker 3>Why do you got to get and try to fuck

1:57:41.200 --> 1:57:41.400
<v Speaker 3>up it?

1:57:41.720 --> 1:57:41.840
<v Speaker 5>Like?

1:57:41.920 --> 1:57:42.040
<v Speaker 2>What?

1:57:42.320 --> 1:57:46.120
<v Speaker 3>Why do you think everyone wants that? Yeah? Like, I

1:57:46.240 --> 1:57:46.839
<v Speaker 3>just don't.

1:57:46.640 --> 1:57:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Get the the thing inside of you that says this

1:57:50.280 --> 1:57:55.080
<v Speaker 2>is the right way with genital mutilation. Yeah, if you

1:57:55.120 --> 1:57:58.120
<v Speaker 2>want to cut your clid off, and as you're an adult,

1:57:58.240 --> 1:58:01.240
<v Speaker 2>that's great. I don't get why other women, Like why

1:58:01.320 --> 1:58:04.000
<v Speaker 2>you think everyone's got to do it? Yeah, I guess

1:58:04.000 --> 1:58:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm just talking about peer pressure and the crusades.

1:58:07.000 --> 1:58:09.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't even know what I'm trying

1:58:09.120 --> 1:58:11.919
<v Speaker 3>to say. No, he pisses me off.

1:58:11.800 --> 1:58:14.760
<v Speaker 2>That people have like shame and gil and spiral and

1:58:14.800 --> 1:58:19.720
<v Speaker 2>have to escape these constructs to just be who they are.

1:58:20.560 --> 1:58:21.960
<v Speaker 3>We just don't want people to be.

1:58:22.360 --> 1:58:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just trying to homogenize any group and make them

1:58:26.000 --> 1:58:27.520
<v Speaker 1>do what you do is fucked.

1:58:27.600 --> 1:58:28.840
<v Speaker 3>We hate that. We don't like that.

1:58:29.160 --> 1:58:31.160
<v Speaker 2>And to bring it up into a fun thing. I

1:58:31.200 --> 1:58:34.320
<v Speaker 2>was at the Georgia o'keith Museum. I was very inspired

1:58:34.720 --> 1:58:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and she you know, she was an individual through and

1:58:38.840 --> 1:58:41.280
<v Speaker 2>through for all her all her years.

1:58:41.360 --> 1:58:42.560
<v Speaker 3>She died at ninety six.

1:58:43.120 --> 1:58:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Wow, you know she was wearing her hair up in

1:58:45.080 --> 1:58:48.720
<v Speaker 2>a bun before anyone did. She was out there traveling alone,

1:58:49.400 --> 1:58:53.760
<v Speaker 2>like doing art, finding her voice, pro lift thousands of

1:58:53.800 --> 1:58:59.200
<v Speaker 2>pieces of work. Wasn't precious, loved every like just.

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<v Speaker 3>Fucking did it? You know that's cool?

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<v Speaker 1>She just and it was really and God, she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go to a college where a Kansas City chief's kicker

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<v Speaker 1>was the commencement speaker, because maybe she wouldn't have done

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<v Speaker 1>any of that, you know, So she.

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<v Speaker 2>Was I forgot where she was born. But then they

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<v Speaker 2>moved to Virginia. She went to some like girls hoity

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<v Speaker 2>toity school. She ended up going toll like a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of colleges. But she went to the Art Institute of Chicago.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and so that's really exciting. And then she went

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<v Speaker 2>to New York to study more. I think she must

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<v Speaker 2>have come for money. She did a lot of schooling,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she met her husband of many years, who

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<v Speaker 2>was like a photographer and took photos of her, and

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<v Speaker 2>he had a gallery and then a photos of her.

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<v Speaker 2>She was one of the most photographed women of her time.

1:59:43.080 --> 1:59:45.920
<v Speaker 2>She was like everyone knew of her and he just

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<v Speaker 2>took so many photos of her everywhere, and her fashion

1:59:49.320 --> 1:59:52.800
<v Speaker 2>was really cool, and she cooked and was inspired by

1:59:53.240 --> 1:59:56.400
<v Speaker 2>photography and different things. But that's how she became so

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<v Speaker 2>well known, and then her artwork, and then once he died,

1:59:58.960 --> 2:00:02.320
<v Speaker 2>she went to Santa Fe full time. She went every

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<v Speaker 2>year twice, so you're for like twenty years, and once

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<v Speaker 2>he died, she went there for the rest of her

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<v Speaker 2>life and loved Santa Fe.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that you're like this huge ture Joe Keefe historian. Now, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know it was just this one museum.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I also love You're gonna love how this ties

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<v Speaker 2>back to me and that when you first walk in

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<v Speaker 2>the description of her on the wall, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've read everything that's in the museum is very particular

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<v Speaker 2>about framing.

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<v Speaker 3>She framed most of her own.

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<v Speaker 2>Work, and even the ones that aren't are made to

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<v Speaker 2>her like specifications or style, but very into framing. And

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<v Speaker 2>she collected everything and has all these quotes that like,

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<v Speaker 2>spaces should be filled with things that you love. And

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<v Speaker 2>in this museum they had a box of shells that

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<v Speaker 2>she collected, and she like collected things, and she just yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I love like I did start crying at her

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<v Speaker 2>box of shells.

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<v Speaker 3>I was worrying. That's so cute.

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<v Speaker 2>I also could believe, you know, when you're seeing things

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<v Speaker 2>that this woman wore and did.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, and like she loves stuff so much. She don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to waste anything.

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<v Speaker 2>She found snake bones and she built them into a

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<v Speaker 2>bench like a full coiled snake she into and clear

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<v Speaker 2>she like built it into a like the seating thing

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<v Speaker 2>in her home because she didn't want to waste anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, well, that that resonates with me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not I don't like to waste I

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<v Speaker 1>like to use all parts of the buffalo if I can.

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<v Speaker 2>She kept the horns. She like she would analyze one

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<v Speaker 2>thing like.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I was just really inspired by her.

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<v Speaker 2>But also they had because it was Mother's Day, they

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of activities and so they had a

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<v Speaker 2>thing where you can make postcards. Obviously, I sent one

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<v Speaker 2>to my mom and I sent it to our friend

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<v Speaker 2>who loves art. But they had like flower stickers and

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<v Speaker 2>colored pencils and like, and so then there was a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of old women I was sitting with and they

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<v Speaker 2>were talking, and one of the old women, she was

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<v Speaker 2>there with her grandkids, I mean, I can go on

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll stop, but she was. They were just saying

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<v Speaker 2>how difficult it is to be yourself, like, how hard

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<v Speaker 2>is to be authentically yourself out in the world and

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<v Speaker 2>especially back then, and how cool it was that we

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<v Speaker 2>were like in the museum of this woman because so

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<v Speaker 2>many women that were badass has forgotten anonymous, gone forever,

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<v Speaker 2>and she.

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<v Speaker 3>Just you know, it's cool because everyone just thinks, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's these flowers that look like vaginas, I think what

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<v Speaker 2>people deduce her work to. And it's just I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get like that wasn't it at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was just all of these like flowers,

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<v Speaker 2>everything was going to look like a vagina. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>like she just she painted energy, the energy of things

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<v Speaker 2>in magnified ways. I don't know, it was just it

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<v Speaker 2>was really incredible and I'm glad I got to stay

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<v Speaker 2>in Santa Fe for one more day.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, because it's like a very very convincing ad for

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<v Speaker 1>the Santa Fe Georgia O'Keefe Museum because I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go now.

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<v Speaker 3>Not enough art.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like the free to callo they had

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<v Speaker 2>at the Brooklyn Museum where it is amazing to see

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<v Speaker 2>her casts her like her stuff, her wardrobe, her things,

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<v Speaker 2>the photos, the papers, and some art. But there it's

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<v Speaker 2>very that's not that big, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I wish I want to go where there's the

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<v Speaker 2>she has thousands of pieces, and so now I'm curious

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<v Speaker 2>to see where the like the big, big collections are.

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<v Speaker 3>But I know some at the Chicago Art Institute of hers,

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<v Speaker 3>but I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have no memory of it because to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was like, she's a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I got from it, like, oh, she's overrated.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just a famous woman who paints flowers that look

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<v Speaker 2>like vaginas. And then I asked our friend, I go,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm debating about all these museums because I was looking

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<v Speaker 2>into a few, and I go the Georgia o'keef. She goes,

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<v Speaker 2>she is a hero, she is amazing, like she is

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff. So that's why I was like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>because our friend's a snob. So I was like, if

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<v Speaker 2>she says that this woman is like, so I I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta go. And she was right on the money there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also it kind of relates to how your

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<v Speaker 2>parents talks about like monocle Win's heroes or like ah

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<v Speaker 2>this fun, yeah, this fucking woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Or Dolly Parton was like just a set of tits

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. No, sorry, I beg to differ, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thirty six now thinking that, oh whatever, she's not

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<v Speaker 2>that good. And then it's like you're just I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>looking at these colors that she's creating, and I was brought.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like fully crying in this museum, like multiple time.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like it's just yeah, it's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, me and the snobby art friend were just getting

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<v Speaker 1>drunk at.

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<v Speaker 2>A pool for Mother's Day. Oh my god, mother's dy.

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<v Speaker 2>In the intro, I'm like the worst person.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it's fine. I don't care. I can't believe I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't bring up Mother's Day. I don't care. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what did you do? Tell me about I saw

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<v Speaker 2>the artworker kids made? Okay, before we end on the

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<v Speaker 2>what and you go into what was the ster pegtoo?

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<v Speaker 3>Please tell us about Mother's Day? Oh it was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I like woke up and I had breakfast with my

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<v Speaker 1>kids and they gave me some crafts that Jared made

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<v Speaker 1>with them specifically the day before and they like a

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<v Speaker 1>little paper bouquet of flowers with Oscar's handprints on them

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really cute. But then Rosie went Rogan did

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<v Speaker 3>her own.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing, and then our friend uh and I went to

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<v Speaker 1>like a hotel and just got like a day pass

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<v Speaker 1>and like hung out and just had fun and swam

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<v Speaker 1>and then we went and got sushi and it was fun.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just like you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Your normal hotel or did you We went to a

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<v Speaker 1>different one. We went to one downtown. Okay, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go to the normal one. We're both trying to

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<v Speaker 1>save a little money these days.

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<v Speaker 3>The downtown one was it was but it was nice.

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<v Speaker 1>It was cool actually, and there was like barely anybody there,

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<v Speaker 1>which was really nice. Like it was not like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of kids cannon bawling and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that like that good sushi. Yeah, no kids, oh

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<v Speaker 3>no kids.

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<v Speaker 1>There were like two little girls there with their parents,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were well behaved and our kids were not

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<v Speaker 1>with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah for sure. And then the met what do

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<v Speaker 3>the men do? They got back together. They got together.

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<v Speaker 1>They took them on a picnic at this playground and

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<v Speaker 1>then they went back to their house for like a

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<v Speaker 1>little pizza dinner so cute.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you felt relaxed and celebrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And it was really it was relaxed. Like the

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<v Speaker 1>next I like didn't think I drank that much. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the next day woke up and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of feel like I've.

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<v Speaker 3>Been hit by a truck.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been a lot of debate again online. I have

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<v Speaker 2>to remember the internet is not the real world. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, suddenly all these people are like Mother's

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<v Speaker 2>Days for mothers in the trenches.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not for your mother or mother in laws. It's

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<v Speaker 3>for me. And I'm like, every dynamic is.

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<v Speaker 2>Different and every family and everyone's wants are different, Like

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<v Speaker 2>shut the fuck up.

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<v Speaker 3>Going back to like like people try Mother's Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like what if what hey, news flash, what

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't hate your mother's Yeah, what if it's

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<v Speaker 2>a joy to be with your mother's and your kids

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone hangs.

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<v Speaker 3>Out like fuck off?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And some people, I you know, I love the

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<v Speaker 2>way you guys do it. You take the kids. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>out like that. That was that was new to me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like our general Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Because some people are like I just want to do

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<v Speaker 1>something spending time with my kids, and I'm like, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I want the afternoon off.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be I want to do my own thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to like, you know, do like I just

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<v Speaker 1>have fun and not worry about them for an afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm worry about them all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, how is uh Tricians? Oh yeah, Mother's days.

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<v Speaker 3>Mother's Day. Oh it was so much fun.

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<v Speaker 7>It was just us too and little patients and we

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<v Speaker 7>went out for breakfast and yeah, it was just so

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<v Speaker 7>it was just a very calm, special day hanging out

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<v Speaker 7>with the baby.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was nice. It's cute.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you call her anything or is it full time patience.

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<v Speaker 7>We were thinking her nickname would be Pippy pippies, so cute,

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<v Speaker 7>but when we met her, we're like, you're not You're

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<v Speaker 7>not Pippy. I don't know, maybe that'll come out still,

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<v Speaker 7>but we have. We even call her little pee.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh that's what our friends, our friend's daughters call their

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<v Speaker 1>little lovies, their pippies, and like, that's what I think

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<v Speaker 1>about when I hear like pippy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like their little love that they love. All that's

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<v Speaker 3>so cute. All right, lettle be patty. I hate to

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<v Speaker 3>do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to go right from a beautiful Mother's Day

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<v Speaker 1>celebrated reation talk into what would Sister Peg do, our

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<v Speaker 1>weekly segment where we direct you towards an organization or

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast episode or a movie, a documentary, something to

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<v Speaker 1>give you more information about we talk today, and we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to point you to an article from UNSEF the

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<v Speaker 1>United Nations Children's Fun about female genital mutilation and what

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing to stop it. I'm sorry to make this

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<v Speaker 1>jump from one topic to the other, but we thought

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<v Speaker 1>this was important. Even though female general mutilation is not

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<v Speaker 1>endorsed by Islam or Christianity, at least two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty million girls and women from thirty one countries across

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<v Speaker 1>three continents have been subjected to the practice, so UNISEF

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<v Speaker 1>provides access to medical and psychological care for survivors, and

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<v Speaker 1>with the establishment of UNFPA UNICEF Joint Program on the

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<v Speaker 1>Elimination of Female Genital Mutilation, they're working to eliminate the

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<v Speaker 1>practice once and for all. So if you want more information,

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<v Speaker 1>get head over to UNISEF dot org. That's you n

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<v Speaker 1>i CEF dot org and that will as always be

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<v Speaker 1>posted in our stories.

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<v Speaker 3>In our WWSPD highlight that.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually was the most shocking jump from topic to topic.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say on this whole podcast, sorry, which is

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<v Speaker 2>saying a lot, but that is the number one had

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<v Speaker 2>to job race jo.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>But UNICEF was huge when I was in elementary school.

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<v Speaker 2>We raised I always had like for we would trick

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<v Speaker 2>or treat for UNISEF, Like I would have my candy

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<v Speaker 2>bag and I'd have a little box penny box, right. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>UNICEF has been a big part of my, I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of our lives for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you can donate at that link as well,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a it's a great organization.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and next week we will be doing Deception from

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<v Speaker 2>season four, episode two, and we're obsessed with all of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening as always, and we're we are starting

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<v Speaker 2>to get into TikTok so.

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