Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, welcome to Movie Crush Friday Interview Edition. Filmmaker series,
Speaker 1: well not really film series with Maddie Well. I think
Speaker 1: we with this one, we have finalized the well which
Speaker 1: is also you know, originally it was hit movies and
Speaker 1: these are all hit movies too. They are you know,
Speaker 1: when once we milk for all it's worth, we can
Speaker 1: just keep doing fun, big movies. Sweet dude, I'm all
Speaker 1: about too. So yeah, uh yeah, you're very well. I'll
Speaker 1: just call you twenty century man. I know it really
Speaker 1: is true. I feel like there's something special there for me,
Speaker 1: just for my childhood. I'm with you coming into my own.
Speaker 1: So before we jump into this movie, I just want
Speaker 1: to hit the box office numbers for the past two
Speaker 1: and then this one. Okay, really quickly. So the first
Speaker 1: time I came home, we did the Matrix that made
Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty five sixty six million worldwide and
Speaker 1: it's lifetime. Fight Club then was their second. It made
Speaker 1: a hundred and one hundred and two million worldwide, modest
Speaker 1: hit modest. The one we're gonna talk about today had
Speaker 1: a gross of six hundred and seventy to seventy three million.
Speaker 1: It was you know, it really hit me last night,
Speaker 1: what a phenomenon this movie was in a cultural touchstone,
Speaker 1: Like this is one of those movies that created memes
Speaker 1: and I guess premime even sort of but like you know,
Speaker 1: I see dead people. It's one of those things where
Speaker 1: that was a joke for fucking ten years. Yeah. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: well and it's now a phrase that just exists in
Speaker 1: American and other cultural To show me the money it's
Speaker 1: uh played against Sam you know, yeah, absolutely incredible dead people.
Speaker 1: Uh and and it's so funny that like that is
Speaker 1: the takeaway. But I guess it's just a quick way
Speaker 1: to reference the movie to reference like this phenomena of
Speaker 1: possibly you know, having an extrasensory perception of some sort. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was spoofed so much for so many years after this.
Speaker 1: Ah and yeah, it just it really kind of all
Speaker 1: culminated last night when it's watching it of what a big,
Speaker 1: big film this was. Put Shamelan Chamalian on the map night.
Speaker 1: I just loved it. Yeah, night Man is called night
Speaker 1: Um put Um. Obviously. Hey, Joel Osmond his first movie.
Speaker 1: He was great in this, Dude. The performances in this movie. Yeah, um, okay,
Speaker 1: so before again, I guess we can just start talking
Speaker 1: about everybody knows what it is, right, it's the plot
Speaker 1: is a child psychologist played by Bruce Willis. His name's
Speaker 1: Dr Malcolm, Yeah, Malcolm something or other. Uh spoilers, this
Speaker 1: is a twenty something year old movie. Yes, Bryce Willis
Speaker 1: is dead the whole time. Well, god, we just did
Speaker 1: it right there. Okay. In fact, when when I first
Speaker 1: saw this movie, and this was only my second viewing,
Speaker 1: I saw in the theater twenty years ago and then
Speaker 1: has haven't seen it since, And I feel like there's
Speaker 1: a movie a lot of people ran out and saw
Speaker 1: again with that knowledge, just to see them. You know,
Speaker 1: you could pick apart of the things. But um, I
Speaker 1: back twenty years ago, I thought, man, it would be
Speaker 1: so funny if whenever someone mentioned six cents, be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the movie about about that ghost Bruce Willis just being
Speaker 1: like the first thing you say to someone that is terrible. Juck. No,
Speaker 1: I never did that. What was your experience with it?
Speaker 1: You saw it, let's hear about your first case. So
Speaker 1: we're not we're nine again the same guy we've talked about.
Speaker 1: If you have if you don't remember and go back
Speaker 1: to listen. The other really changed a lot between The
Speaker 1: Matrix and this No No UM. So I was in
Speaker 1: that world when I first saw it. I remember identifying
Speaker 1: with Haley Joel Osmond's character Cole, and really I viewed
Speaker 1: the movie through his eyes, and he's he's a little
Speaker 1: kid who is experiencing something terrible in his life. At first,
Speaker 1: you're not really sure what it is, um, And then
Speaker 1: you know our our character Dr Malcolm is trying to
Speaker 1: help him out and figure out what his problem is.
Speaker 1: And then you learn that he in fact sees deceased people,
Speaker 1: dead people. And what if that was a line I
Speaker 1: see deceased people, I can sense deceased individuals. Um. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, so I'm I'm identifying with this kid who
Speaker 1: is both terrified of the world, of the darkness of
Speaker 1: any you know, unknown thing, Like he's terrified because of
Speaker 1: his experiences, but he's also extremely strong and um, there's
Speaker 1: um there's an air of confidence about him even though
Speaker 1: he's so he shrinks back a lot of time. There's
Speaker 1: a scene where he's he attempts to do a coin
Speaker 1: magic trick that Bruce Willis's character shows him. So he
Speaker 1: so he then attempts to do it for a kid
Speaker 1: at a party, and the way he just um. Something
Speaker 1: about that scene. I don't know why it's stuck with me,
Speaker 1: but the way he just he tries to do the
Speaker 1: trick just very you know, okay, nonchalantly, confidently um shows
Speaker 1: that he's willing to try and interact with another person
Speaker 1: there and maybe make a friend. But the other kid
Speaker 1: is just not having it, not having it, not interested.
Speaker 1: And the kid has a very similar reaction that Cole
Speaker 1: had initially when Dr Malcolm did it to him. So
Speaker 1: it's an interesting mirroring. But again, it just kind of
Speaker 1: shows you as character. And I think when I was
Speaker 1: that age, like it was a kid who was only
Speaker 1: like what ten and you know, I'm still like the
Speaker 1: X Files kid in high school. I want to believe
Speaker 1: in these extra sensory things. I want to believe that
Speaker 1: life goes on. Um. I'm very biblical, so I do
Speaker 1: believe that life doesn't end when our corporeal form leaves leaves.
Speaker 1: Well I did, like somewhat right, I did. And so
Speaker 1: this kind this kind of story really moved me. It
Speaker 1: connected with me. I am telling you watching it now,
Speaker 1: as a parent, I knew we were going to hit
Speaker 1: on this holy like the reaction. I'm going to try
Speaker 1: really hard not to tear up during the episode. There
Speaker 1: are a couple of parts last night where the when
Speaker 1: they fucking lock him in that closet. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I was just beside myself last night. I was so
Speaker 1: upset and wanted to throttle those two little assholes. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I know how to talk me through the
Speaker 1: movie and punch them both. Oh dude, I know. But
Speaker 1: but the thing that really hit me as a parent
Speaker 1: now are the little moments and the little moments between
Speaker 1: Cole and his mom. There's not one scene that's just
Speaker 1: so upsetting. Towards the end, I yeah, she breaks down
Speaker 1: and it was like she couldn't help her child. And
Speaker 1: it's that helplessness that every it's every parent's worse fear,
Speaker 1: Like it's not that something will happen to your child,
Speaker 1: it's the something that will happen to your child that
Speaker 1: you can't fix. Yes, because stuff's gonna happen, but as
Speaker 1: apparent you're like, all right, we can get through this.
Speaker 1: She didn't know how to help him, especially at the
Speaker 1: age that our children are right now, where they can
Speaker 1: communic Kate, but they can't necessarily communicate fully something that's
Speaker 1: going on, and they can't articulate some of the specific emotions, right,
Speaker 1: So you know, if there is something wrong where they
Speaker 1: can't tell you, they can't explain it. In this case,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to tell her because he kind of
Speaker 1: knows the reaction, maybe that or even maybe he'll be
Speaker 1: sent away or something. Yeah, and you know he only
Speaker 1: has his mom in his life. There's a scene where
Speaker 1: she gets upset with him at the dinner table and
Speaker 1: it's about the bumble bee pendant. I believe yea because
Speaker 1: he says he didn't take it and she's a good scene.
Speaker 1: Oh it's that That is the one that really got
Speaker 1: me was it was immediately following that scene, I think, um,
Speaker 1: where she gets upset with him because you know, in
Speaker 1: her world, he's obviously moving this bumble dependant and he's lying.
Speaker 1: He's lying straight to her face about it after she's
Speaker 1: cooked him this meal, And like, did I identify with
Speaker 1: that feeling as a parent of like like just talk
Speaker 1: to me, just tell me the truth. Just talk to me,
Speaker 1: Like just like when did dig in and what to
Speaker 1: like picking your battles. Yeah, but then also that frustration
Speaker 1: that comes along sometimes and so identified with her very
Speaker 1: much there, but then also with him, like trying to
Speaker 1: explain like maybe somebody else moved it. I don't know. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I thought that scene was so well done because especially
Speaker 1: for a kid that age, because you could see his
Speaker 1: struggle of like he knows it would be easier just
Speaker 1: to say I did it, yeah, but he can't because
Speaker 1: that is the lie. And you see that little face
Speaker 1: just just struggling. And you've got a son too, it's
Speaker 1: so it's even more like honed in. Um. I always
Speaker 1: tell my daughter, you know, like don't just tell me
Speaker 1: the truth. You won't be in trouble. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: Just don't fib and. Nine times out of tend she
Speaker 1: will tell me the truth, and I'll be like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's try not do that again. But you were honest
Speaker 1: with me, and that's what matters. You know, she's getting
Speaker 1: to that age where sometimes they do lie in fib
Speaker 1: and and you know they are and it's like tough
Speaker 1: to handle that stuff. You can only give lessons. Can't
Speaker 1: punish a kid, I know, for lying at that age
Speaker 1: because it's little stuff you know it's nothing big. Well
Speaker 1: in what she does, she sends him away, like you've
Speaker 1: had enough roast beef, go to go to your room.
Speaker 1: And it's the line that he says is in the
Speaker 1: way he says it, what do you think? What are
Speaker 1: you thinking? Mama? And oh so good in this cute
Speaker 1: because that when you think, if you put yourself you know,
Speaker 1: and I apologize to anybody who out there who doesn't
Speaker 1: have children yet, maybe who wasn't identifying with this conversation,
Speaker 1: but the the moment when you know your child can
Speaker 1: see frustration in your eyes and you're you're trying very
Speaker 1: adamantly to you know, stop that within yourself to like
Speaker 1: not be frustrated, um, because very you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: one of those things, um. Children, animals, adults to an extent,
Speaker 1: do you notice the small things on your face when
Speaker 1: you're talking to them or if you're you know, just
Speaker 1: even listening to them. And to see the way Haley
Speaker 1: plays that of looking at his mother knowing that she's
Speaker 1: upset or puzzled or something and then just saying, you know, what,
Speaker 1: what do you what are you thinking? Like I'm a man,
Speaker 1: I don't know that just there's a heart in his
Speaker 1: performance that you don't see out of a kid much. Um.
Speaker 1: He was nominated for Best Supporting Actor, which I don't
Speaker 1: think I remembered. This movie, in fact, was nominated for
Speaker 1: a lot, Best Picture, Best Director, Best Screenplay. Um did
Speaker 1: it win anything? I don't think so. I don't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't recall it winning anything. Let's jump back a
Speaker 1: sec talk a little bit more broadly about M. Knight Shamalan. Yes,
Speaker 1: what is your overall take on him as a director
Speaker 1: in his career? Oh? Man, I was so excited about
Speaker 1: him when this first happened, when Six Cents came out?
Speaker 1: All right, what about every movie since then? Well? Okay,
Speaker 1: then so then Unbreakable I believe was next, or at
Speaker 1: least that was the next one that I saw. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I actually very much enjoyed that movie. Um, because
Speaker 1: it was a bit of a superhero movie. I think
Speaker 1: that's his best movie. I mean, yeah, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: it's tough for me to even know if that's his
Speaker 1: best movie for in my mind, but I remember because
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it forever, but I remember really really
Speaker 1: liking that take on a superhero. Uh, somewhat reluctant guy
Speaker 1: who's trying to hide the super strength and invulnerability essentially
Speaker 1: that he has, and having to come to that realization
Speaker 1: of Okay, well I have to use this for some good. Um.
Speaker 1: And then introducing the character of Glass was really cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I really really liked that movie. The style of it again,
Speaker 1: and that that scene. We don't have to talk about
Speaker 1: Unbreakable the whole time, but that scene when he goes
Speaker 1: into the pool with the cover on it, just that
Speaker 1: that's one of my biggest fears, seriously, falling falling into
Speaker 1: a pool with dude, that's terrifying to me. So let's
Speaker 1: just take through his movies real quick and then I'll
Speaker 1: give you my overall thoughts on him. Unbreakable obviously, I
Speaker 1: thought that was his best film. Uh Signs was his
Speaker 1: next film. I did not think that was very good.
Speaker 1: I liked it because of my age. I think when
Speaker 1: it came up the Village was next. That is a
Speaker 1: movie I don't think is that great. I found a
Speaker 1: way in to appreciate it when I talked to Aaron
Speaker 1: Monkey about it. Yes, because it's no fun to sit
Speaker 1: around and say you hated some movie that someone loves.
Speaker 1: I had the exact same thing occur in an early
Speaker 1: meeting with him. But you know, I found my way
Speaker 1: in and I don't hate it. Um. Number The next
Speaker 1: one I think was The Happening not good. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I would I would say close to terrible. The
Speaker 1: Last Airbender didn't terrible. Didn't see it, didn't see it,
Speaker 1: but it was supposed to be awful. The next I'm
Speaker 1: sorry we missed the Lady in Water not good, not
Speaker 1: for me. After Earth, you know, one of the all
Speaker 1: time big ship bombs. Uh. And then we move on
Speaker 1: to the trilogy of Split, oh well, Unbreakable, and then
Speaker 1: Split and Glass. Split I thought was okay, so enjoyed
Speaker 1: Split Glass I thought was all right, but really like
Speaker 1: underwhelmed me on the promise of this final chapter in
Speaker 1: this story. Yeah, I was pretty underwhelmed. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: the this is one of those things that I think
Speaker 1: we've kind of talked about with Wachowski. Uh, team you
Speaker 1: come out of the gate, not out of the gate.
Speaker 1: Neither of them made their first movie as their major hit,
Speaker 1: but they became somewhat popular on a massive hit. And
Speaker 1: I think with him Night, like he scored so big,
Speaker 1: he like spent so much time and effort on this movie.
Speaker 1: All of the pieces, the cast, the writing, everything just
Speaker 1: seemed to come together and it made something very special.
Speaker 1: And you know, you try and do it again with
Speaker 1: Unbreakable and you kind of get there. We bring Bruce back,
Speaker 1: you you know, gave some of the same things, but
Speaker 1: then as you keep continuing down that road of trying
Speaker 1: to tell a new story, um, it's just none of
Speaker 1: it resonated. I don't think I forgot about the visit.
Speaker 1: I did not see that that was the kind of
Speaker 1: smaller thriller horror movie he did four years ago. I
Speaker 1: did see something to do with Kids and their Grandparents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was okay. I heard it was one
Speaker 1: of his better films, and it really flew under the radar,
Speaker 1: and I remember critics saying, like, this is a good movie.
Speaker 1: He kind of came back and did something. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: left these big, huge movies like Last Airbender and After Earth,
Speaker 1: these huge, big budget things. Would you do something a
Speaker 1: little more? You know? Yeah, Rootsie, there there were moments
Speaker 1: he captured the dread that you feel in the sixth
Speaker 1: sense in that movie a little bit. So here's my
Speaker 1: ideal with him, And I'm just gonna be honest. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a very good filmmaker. Really, overall, most
Speaker 1: of those movies are not very good. Um, he I
Speaker 1: think is. I don't think he's I think he does
Speaker 1: some things very well. I think he's really really good
Speaker 1: at mood and tone and atmosphere and setting in certain
Speaker 1: visuals and certain moments are really very effective and pretty
Speaker 1: awesome and inventive. Um. You can't argue the great twist
Speaker 1: in sixth sense. Uh, you know, he twisted it up
Speaker 1: in a lot of other movies to lesser success. Um. So,
Speaker 1: I think he's really good at certain things. But I
Speaker 1: think overall he's just not that great of a filmmaker.
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of surprised he has retained all this
Speaker 1: currency after making a lot of bad movies. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: hate the cameos. Okay, I'm not a fan of That's
Speaker 1: just never a good idea to me. That' her hitchcock
Speaker 1: and you're just like walking through a scene a right there.
Speaker 1: There's there are several things I wanna talk about here.
Speaker 1: The first one, let's do the cameos, because in the
Speaker 1: sixth sense, that's the first time we see him night
Speaker 1: on screen and he plays a doctor talking to Cole's
Speaker 1: mother and he's explaining to her, like, you know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a seizure. We're not really sure what it was,
Speaker 1: but we didn't notice the injuries on your son, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk to the social worker over here. So
Speaker 1: I just watched a an early interview with him after
Speaker 1: the six Sense came out, and he is talking about
Speaker 1: his cameo. So he's always wanted to be an actor,
Speaker 1: and I didn't I didn't know this about him. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I've never looked this deeply into it. He at least says,
Speaker 1: you know, my whole family or doctors, and that was
Speaker 1: kind of an homage to his parents. Yeah, so he
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm gonna kind of play this character
Speaker 1: is like maybe an alter version, alternate version of me
Speaker 1: that may have existed. Um, and I want to be
Speaker 1: an actor. I'm learning about it, I'm interested in it,
Speaker 1: and i want to get better, So I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: do this role. Apparently it was a long scene. It
Speaker 1: was a big scene, and he cut it way down.
Speaker 1: He cut it way down because he was he was
Speaker 1: unhappy with her his performance. He's I just couldn't get there.
Speaker 1: Tony Collette is giving so much in this scene but
Speaker 1: this and like I just can't I can't compete with
Speaker 1: that and I can't even like flow with it. Um.
Speaker 1: So that to me is somewhat admirable. Like he showed
Speaker 1: he was going to be in there, and rather than
Speaker 1: just putting that whole scene out there no matter what,
Speaker 1: because to get some more screen time or something. Um,
Speaker 1: he did cut it way back. And that's that kind
Speaker 1: of decision that hopefully it was his decision. Well at
Speaker 1: least he showed some some restraint there and like a
Speaker 1: Tarantino would be like, no, put more of me in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, then he continues throughout his
Speaker 1: film career to just be in his films at least once.
Speaker 1: But I think it's always once, um, which is fine.
Speaker 1: You know. I don't know. I'm not a fan of
Speaker 1: the director Cameo. I just don't think it ever works.
Speaker 1: The few times it has worked is like Martin Scorsese
Speaker 1: as the cab patron and cab fair and taxi driver.
Speaker 1: It's because that was just sort of disturbing. Yes, it's disturbing,
Speaker 1: but it's also it's about believability. For like, if I
Speaker 1: if I can see, if I notice there's the director
Speaker 1: on screen. It takes me out of it. It generally does.
Speaker 1: But but if if like the first line that comes
Speaker 1: out or something like makes me believe already, then it's
Speaker 1: somebody different or it's a character. Um, I'm okay with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it does feel like a weird little thing
Speaker 1: to do if you're if you're a I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know either man. To me, it's indulgent and
Speaker 1: kind of vain. Um, okay, yeah, I just yeah, I
Speaker 1: just don't think it's ever a good good look, I
Speaker 1: hear you. That's just my take. Yeah, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of another one that really worked for I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought Tarantino, as far as his cameos go, Um,
Speaker 1: I thought he was pretty good in Reservoir Dogs, and
Speaker 1: that wasn't a cameo. He was just kind of in
Speaker 1: the movie. And that's why I think it felt better
Speaker 1: because he was just in that first he was in
Speaker 1: the opening scene. The cameo feels to me stunty. More
Speaker 1: when it's like midway point in the movie, it's like
Speaker 1: here I am for my thirty second scene. It just
Speaker 1: always takes me out of it. Yeah, but you know, whatever.
Speaker 1: I want to get back to the twist, because that
Speaker 1: that's the thing that sticks with everybody that that line.
Speaker 1: I see dead people the realization like the ring falling
Speaker 1: off or the wife Bruce Willis's wife dropping the ring
Speaker 1: and him seeing it and realizing, oh wait, I'm not
Speaker 1: wearing my wedding ring. Um, that's the things that we remember, right.
Speaker 1: But you know when we when we go back and
Speaker 1: watch this, and millions of people went back to the
Speaker 1: theater and watch it again, and the numbers show it
Speaker 1: because the the first weekend they made like twenty seven million,
Speaker 1: seven million, the second weekend they made twenty six million.
Speaker 1: That's a nice carry over, Like that's unheard of serious.
Speaker 1: And you know people were going back to catch all
Speaker 1: the nuances. And when you if you go back and
Speaker 1: you rewatch it and you really think about all of
Speaker 1: those scenes where it's Bruce Willis and his wife or um,
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis sitting in the living room while the mother
Speaker 1: is sitting across from him and Cole enters, you don't
Speaker 1: question whether or not they were just having a conversation.
Speaker 1: In your mind, Oh they were just sitting there talking.
Speaker 1: If you're it's your first viewing you don't question when
Speaker 1: Tony Collette or Cole's mom says, hey, you've got an hour,
Speaker 1: when as she's walking away during that scene, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's how long a session usually lasts. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I in particular, no this because my wife as a
Speaker 1: child psychologist, which is another level by the way, that's
Speaker 1: hitting on this movie for me. But you don't think
Speaker 1: about it. At the dinner scene on the anniversary, when
Speaker 1: the wife is sitting there and like clearly upset with him,
Speaker 1: but you're watching you realize, oh my god, like, holy crap,
Speaker 1: how did this scene function on two levels the entire time? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: that's pretty masterful to me. He did a pretty good job.
Speaker 1: Here's my deal. Alright, alright, alright. I watched this last
Speaker 1: night for the second time, admired a lot of part
Speaker 1: of it. Overall, it didn't work for me that well
Speaker 1: upon second viewing. Maybe it's a little cynicism creeping in.
Speaker 1: But I did that thing where I started to investigate
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon size holes in this movie, which you're
Speaker 1: not you know, you've got to really really check out
Speaker 1: on this one, and which I'm able to do a
Speaker 1: lot of times. Like I remember I saw The Quiet Place,
Speaker 1: and that movie is famous for its plot holes, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I just went with it,
Speaker 1: But upon second viewing, I started to get annoyed last
Speaker 1: night at how dumb you have to be to accept
Speaker 1: these plot holes. Oh olkright, just give me a couple
Speaker 1: of examples, like just talk to me. He's dead, Like,
Speaker 1: how did you get in that house to take that
Speaker 1: first meeting the Tony collectim because he doesn't know he's dead.
Speaker 1: You know, how did he set up the appointment? He's
Speaker 1: a dead guy? When he walks into the anniversary uh dinner,
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, I thought you meant the other Italian restaurant,
Speaker 1: Like what conversation is he referencing? Mm hmm. How about
Speaker 1: the fact that he has literally not been spoken to
Speaker 1: by a human being for like a year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but nobody else has talked to him, not at all. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, every every store he goes into, every he's
Speaker 1: been living with this woman as his wife, and the
Speaker 1: presumption is she hasn't spoken to him in six months
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yet he's just like, man, I'm having some
Speaker 1: marriage troubles here, So like there is it occurred to
Speaker 1: me that there's so much suspension of disbelief. It just
Speaker 1: overweighed the film just too much for me. There's a line,
Speaker 1: there's a line that Bruce Willi says where he mentions
Speaker 1: that I've just been losing time or or I've been
Speaker 1: time something about losing time or forgetting time or like
Speaker 1: missing time. Like he he specifically referencing that it's almost
Speaker 1: as if he is just kind of a peering or
Speaker 1: like he just exists in these places, or he just
Speaker 1: kind of his consciousness awakes when he's sitting in that
Speaker 1: chair with Tony Collette and then like then he's like
Speaker 1: in the chapel sitting with Haley Joel Osmond or you know.
Speaker 1: That's the way it seems like the and it kind
Speaker 1: of would make sense the way the ghosts, the other
Speaker 1: ghosts that that Haley Joel Osmond or Coal experiences in
Speaker 1: the movie. It just gets cold all of a sudden
Speaker 1: and they're there. Yeah, right, that's the way. That's the
Speaker 1: way it functions. The other thing is, why is Haley
Speaker 1: Joe Osmond never cold? Like when I read about that, actually, okay,
Speaker 1: tell me, because that was another thing that bothered me.
Speaker 1: But apparently he said it's he just the cold just
Speaker 1: happens when they are there and they need something from him,
Speaker 1: So it's a very kind of quick thing or something
Speaker 1: like that when they're trying to get his attention. Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. And I think a lot of other
Speaker 1: people tried to explain, like I think M. Knight put
Speaker 1: lines like they only see what they want to see
Speaker 1: in there to sort of explain away some of Bruce
Speaker 1: Willis's stuff, But it still doesn't discount the fact that
Speaker 1: he's not been spoken to by another human since he
Speaker 1: died that night, And that's just you can't I just
Speaker 1: couldn't check it at the door this time. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about him walking into the restaurant to see his wife
Speaker 1: on two occasions, I believe, and he like just walks
Speaker 1: right past the host hostess I guess, and she's already
Speaker 1: got the table is so he just walks right in,
Speaker 1: sits down, doesn't order anything. But when he referenced the like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought you meant the other Italian restaurant, It's like,
Speaker 1: what is he talking about? Then? I guess you could
Speaker 1: presume that maybe she wrote it down in a calendar
Speaker 1: in their house or something. I don't know, man, it's
Speaker 1: all a reach for me now, but that did not
Speaker 1: ruin the film for me. Um, I will knock it
Speaker 1: for that, and I will knock it for what I
Speaker 1: like to call film school stuff. There were a few
Speaker 1: scenes were to me it was clearly a rookie filmmaker. Um.
Speaker 1: I was astounded that he got nominated for Best Director.
Speaker 1: I think everyone was sort of it was a bit
Speaker 1: of a smoke screen because it was this big cultural
Speaker 1: hit because to me, directorially, there were a lot of
Speaker 1: kind of rookie film SCHOOLI things that he did. Um.
Speaker 1: The scene that jumps out of me is a scene
Speaker 1: where the couple is shopping for a wedding ring and
Speaker 1: it's just so poorly done and ham fisted in hokey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just had a lot of films. What do you
Speaker 1: think about that shot inside the like the jewelry box
Speaker 1: kind of or the cabinet. Because of the show, I
Speaker 1: hated it. There were a few shots that I hated.
Speaker 1: I was like a film school student. But the very
Speaker 1: opening of the movie, when their whole thing is there
Speaker 1: them reflected in his award, I didn't like that either.
Speaker 1: It just seemed very sort of, well, I'm making up
Speaker 1: my first film, so I'm going to do all these
Speaker 1: you know the scene where the Tony Collette you see
Speaker 1: her frame through the the doily and that the Lacey thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hated that. Oh I know, man, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I wanted to come in here and be like this
Speaker 1: movie is magic still okay? But I had a lot
Speaker 1: of problems. And Emily was sort of in my ear too,
Speaker 1: was like, what is that ship? That's film school one
Speaker 1: I won, So that may have influenced me too, we'll see.
Speaker 1: But here here's my thing. I wonder how much of that, um,
Speaker 1: how much of that is because of your experience and
Speaker 1: your understanding of like deep understanding of filmmaking maybe, and
Speaker 1: and and I wonder how many other I do well
Speaker 1: I do Here's my thing. I identified a lot of
Speaker 1: that too. I did not love the stuff that you're
Speaker 1: talking about. Um. But for me in this movie, the
Speaker 1: place that is taking me totally, I'm almost I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm honestly not paying that much attention to the cinema bography.
Speaker 1: I'm so heavily invested in the characters that are in there. Yeah. Sure,
Speaker 1: something like that scene with the jewelry store didn't do
Speaker 1: anything for me and kind of takes me out of it. Um,
Speaker 1: but not because of the cinematography necessarily. It's because we're
Speaker 1: dealing with these characters in this moment that just feels
Speaker 1: like it's unnecessary. It was very corny. I don't see
Speaker 1: why I was even in the Well the problem here's
Speaker 1: the thing. They almost didn't flesh out, or they it's almost,
Speaker 1: let's say two percent fleshed out. Uh. Malcolm's wife's character
Speaker 1: very very true, right, and I think it suffers because
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, And I want to believe that there's
Speaker 1: something else written in there that's going to give us
Speaker 1: more of an understanding of her through But it's really just, um,
Speaker 1: you know, her husband dies, she's sad, she's got this
Speaker 1: guy that she works with that's interested in her and
Speaker 1: who I love that guy by the way, that actor,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he's great. Well yeah he I mean
Speaker 1: he does this thing in this movie. It's very quick
Speaker 1: like this his he was in flirting with disaster and
Speaker 1: the ice storm, and I it's just, um, you know,
Speaker 1: infidelity is one of those things that's always bothered me
Speaker 1: my whole life. Like the concept of it is one
Speaker 1: of those like upper echelon, Like there's murder and then infidelity.
Speaker 1: For me, that's my thing. And you know, when I
Speaker 1: first watched this movie, it bothered me so much that character.
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, this son of a bitch,
Speaker 1: And um, there's that moment that we're talking about, that
Speaker 1: scene where they look like they're about to kiss, like
Speaker 1: it's about to be a moment on that little couch
Speaker 1: while that couple is still hanging out in the in
Speaker 1: the store, which was weird to me because it looks
Speaker 1: like they just moved a little bit away, like just
Speaker 1: to the back of the store that was still connecting
Speaker 1: and they're about to have this tender moment and then
Speaker 1: Bruce will smashes the window. I was like, yeah, smash
Speaker 1: that window, dude. Um. But then also, how did he
Speaker 1: smash that window? Well, that's the rules of this movie
Speaker 1: are hard to understand, because if he can interact physically
Speaker 1: with the world, um, then he can open doors and
Speaker 1: walk into a restaurant. And how he got into Tony
Speaker 1: Colett's house I'll still never figure out. Did he knock
Speaker 1: and then she opened it? She's like, no one's here,
Speaker 1: and he just like because he thinks he's alive, Like
Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah, he mean so much if he thinks
Speaker 1: he's alive, and he just followed her in and didn't
Speaker 1: see anything, sat next to her and didn't speak. He
Speaker 1: didn't get paid for his time, And how was that
Speaker 1: got him appointment set up? Where did that come from?
Speaker 1: Oh God, I need a ghost to come over and
Speaker 1: talk with my son. Do you have anyone you can
Speaker 1: send um? So here's what I think happened. I think
Speaker 1: m Night figured out this great twist he's making the
Speaker 1: writing this film. I think he probably shows it to
Speaker 1: some people, and some people might have said, but hold
Speaker 1: on a minute, like what about the fact that no
Speaker 1: one's spoken to the sky and how does he even
Speaker 1: get in these rooms? And uh uh. I think he
Speaker 1: was probably like, you know what, no one's gonna think
Speaker 1: about that ship because they're gonna be so engrossed with
Speaker 1: these the film and these characters and this great twist.
Speaker 1: It'll it'll you know, movies kind of like a scale
Speaker 1: sometimes that's tipping one way or the other. And sure
Speaker 1: some of this stuff might not work, but the scale
Speaker 1: will be tipped further in favor because of these the
Speaker 1: great acting and the great tone, and like people won't
Speaker 1: think about that, or even better, they'll go back and
Speaker 1: see it another time and be mad box office dollars.
Speaker 1: But you know, the public clearly has answered the bell,
Speaker 1: and people love this movie. In that interview, Night as
Speaker 1: he's referred to, the people call him Night, will just
Speaker 1: call him. They don't call him him sometimes maybe they
Speaker 1: call him Night. At least in this he refers to
Speaker 1: himself as Night. Yeah. I think I knew that UM.
Speaker 1: He talks about wanting to create that cultural phenomenon movie.
Speaker 1: He wanted to do it, and he wasn't sure that
Speaker 1: this was going He was hoping it was UM and
Speaker 1: then it became that um Man. You know the guy
Speaker 1: that that Greenland that Scott fired really very famously. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy read the script at Disney, flipped over it
Speaker 1: and like made a three million dollar deal, very big deal,
Speaker 1: and everyone was so mad at him at Disney. He
Speaker 1: got fired and then they sold the rights to UM
Speaker 1: another company, be Sarah, Like who is this guy? And
Speaker 1: you and you allowed him to sign on as a director,
Speaker 1: like as part of the deal. Be fucking crazy. And
Speaker 1: then it goes on to be this huge hit Academy
Speaker 1: Award nominee, like six nominations, Cultural Zeitgeist and Disney's like
Speaker 1: dang it. Probably I wonder, um, I wonder what it
Speaker 1: would have looked like if Disney like was over it
Speaker 1: and maybe got a different director in there or something yeah,
Speaker 1: or or or maybe even just had a little more
Speaker 1: control at the table, um, you know, with the edit
Speaker 1: or with some of the production. And I mean beyond
Speaker 1: besides some of the film school stuff. I love the
Speaker 1: setting that those neighborhoods in Philadelphia the Fall. He really
Speaker 1: creates an atmosphere that works. I think. I think the
Speaker 1: score was great. I think a lot of the cinematography
Speaker 1: was good when he wasn't trying to be show off ee. Um,
Speaker 1: so a lot of the movie worked for me. That
Speaker 1: that beginning, that opening scene with Donnie Wahlberg, I didn't
Speaker 1: even remember. I remember rather being shocked at who that
Speaker 1: was when I first saw it, and I told the
Speaker 1: Emily last night, was like, you know this Donnie Wallberg.
Speaker 1: She's like no, so yeah, I look at his face,
Speaker 1: that's him. He was sucking outstanding And that scene was
Speaker 1: really good and a great way to well, I'm not
Speaker 1: quite open the film because they had that the schmaltzy
Speaker 1: beginning where she got the award and she's, you know,
Speaker 1: all that stuff, which you needed, I guess to establish
Speaker 1: you know, their relationship. But that the film to me
Speaker 1: really starts with us fucking scary scene. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: guy in our house and he's a former patient. Was
Speaker 1: like not doing well mentally, and and how's he introduced
Speaker 1: with that shadow, like you see the broken window. And
Speaker 1: that's what he's really good at. I think, Um, he
Speaker 1: just nails certain moments so well. As a filmmaker. He
Speaker 1: just never fully put it all together for me, but
Speaker 1: he's so good at certain things. That was truly chilling
Speaker 1: when that shadow and that sound that yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got chills right now. It was really well done
Speaker 1: and just intense and scary. And Donnie Wahlberg was great
Speaker 1: his performance. I didn't realize he lost forty plus pounds
Speaker 1: just for that little role and it was like it
Speaker 1: was crazy Donny apparently according to m Night Shama, and
Speaker 1: he wanted to be in the movie. Um, and Night
Speaker 1: was like, that's so funny to say that. Night was like, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're just like you're big dude, you know, like
Speaker 1: I we're looking for, you know, scrawny guy kind of emaciating.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm a loosing weight. I'll get back to you.
Speaker 1: Donnie comes back forty forty three or something pounds, and
Speaker 1: he's just like, uh, you got to give him the
Speaker 1: part then do well, yeah, I'm not. Selon was like
Speaker 1: I didn't recognize him when he came in, and he like,
Speaker 1: it looks like this guy I've imagined, And I think
Speaker 1: that's the key. He has to disappear because of course
Speaker 1: now it's a big deal, but back then, you know,
Speaker 1: Donnie Wahlberg was sort of a big cultural reference point
Speaker 1: for some people. Yeah, and now one, you know, Wallburger's
Speaker 1: is just taken off and they got one in Atlanta. One.
Speaker 1: He was just here, Marky Mark who huh, yeah, exactly
Speaker 1: what about Donnie? Can we talk about Donnie's nipple ring? Though?
Speaker 1: Did he have one? In the movie? He has a
Speaker 1: nipple ring? How I didn't notice why? I didn't need it.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about it. My wife goes, huh,
Speaker 1: he's got a nipple ring last night? I didn't either. Um.
Speaker 1: He was truly great in that movie. In that scene though,
Speaker 1: and it was it was chilling and scary and tense.
Speaker 1: It really like it was a powerful way to kind
Speaker 1: of open your set your plot in motion, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, and you know the next fall Jose
Speaker 1: that Bruce will is sitting on the bench. I'm not
Speaker 1: one of these people that's gonna retroactively say like yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of figured it out, Like I had no
Speaker 1: idea that twist truly knocked me on my ass and
Speaker 1: had all the effect that he intended. The first time
Speaker 1: I saw it, didn't see it coming. I thought it
Speaker 1: was great. Um. I still think it's a really good
Speaker 1: plot twist. Uh. I wasn't thinking about those holes back then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the my late twenties. Yeah, I still don't think about him.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about No, I don't want you to
Speaker 1: think about him. I don't want to your experience. Um,
Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the spirits that he encounters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all really scary stuff. The even though this movie I
Speaker 1: would argue as a drama with some elements of horror, definitely,
Speaker 1: and it's just yeah, that suspense thing. Um, but so
Speaker 1: I think it's the Oh god, I forgot about the scene.
Speaker 1: I've totally forgot about this scene when I was rewatching
Speaker 1: it where the mom is doing laundry. She's getting some
Speaker 1: food ready for coal and his tie. Something's on his tie,
Speaker 1: like smudge or someone on his tie. So she takes
Speaker 1: the tie in a single shot that doesn't cut, takes
Speaker 1: it over to the laundry room, which is the next
Speaker 1: room over, puts like switches it out for a different one,
Speaker 1: comes back in and all the cabinets have been opened up,
Speaker 1: and um man, that was so great and she screams yeah,
Speaker 1: she screams, yeah that see again, that's super effective and
Speaker 1: very easy, like yeah, it's not some big special effects
Speaker 1: thing or a monster, it's just open drawers and cabinets. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you know the effect if you the effective thing
Speaker 1: there is the sound design to me, like and I
Speaker 1: know it's pretty easy. You just cut all that sound
Speaker 1: and you're just fully and all the other stuff. But
Speaker 1: it sounded so real. I did not break for a
Speaker 1: second thing. Oh that's a that's eight yard or anything
Speaker 1: like that, because you know, it had to be the
Speaker 1: whole thing, had to because there there's a whole team
Speaker 1: of people in their opening cabinets in that moment. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of p a s in our department
Speaker 1: like up and open. God. But the way Cole is
Speaker 1: sitting when she enters back in Cole's sitting there with
Speaker 1: his hands flat on the table and just looking at
Speaker 1: his mom with food in front of him that he's
Speaker 1: not touching, and the way he's talking so quietly. Yea
Speaker 1: um again again, it kind of moved me, like that's
Speaker 1: he uses that same line. What's you thinking, mama at
Speaker 1: that little voice? Man? He was so cute, dude, And
Speaker 1: then he leaves and there's just this the coensation sweat
Speaker 1: on the table. So what is that? Is that just
Speaker 1: part of the fear. I think that's what that's showing you.
Speaker 1: So that's not supernatural. I don't think so. I think
Speaker 1: that's just showing you, like whatever. And maybe it did
Speaker 1: get really cold for a moment, just for a moment
Speaker 1: when that character was there. And what we find out
Speaker 1: the woman that was there was like, um, I don't
Speaker 1: think we ever get to meet her again in the story.
Speaker 1: We see her one time in her bathrobe in the house,
Speaker 1: which was so scary. Where when he goes into p
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. Yeah yeah, he thinks
Speaker 1: it's his mom and another camera crossing, Yeah, and she's
Speaker 1: turned around and she's like yelling about her husband. He
Speaker 1: has a weird name too, Yeah, yeah, I forget the name.
Speaker 1: I mean, this movie gets it's it's about the fifty
Speaker 1: minute mark that it's a bit of a long set up.
Speaker 1: And about the fifty minute mark I looked on the
Speaker 1: timer is when they really start appearing. And this movie
Speaker 1: kind of gets pretty scary in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: like every reveal, Like I thought all that stuff was
Speaker 1: really well done. That the boy that says, you want
Speaker 1: to show you, let me show you where my dad
Speaker 1: hides his gun. And then he turns around his heads
Speaker 1: the back of his head's blown out, like fucking that's tough, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: scary and like gut wrenching for a parent, obviously. And
Speaker 1: and in that moment, in my mind, I'm thinking, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: this house must be haunted or something, because their ghosts
Speaker 1: all in here. Like she must have slid her wrists
Speaker 1: in the bathtub or something. He must have like found
Speaker 1: a gun in that lip in that room where he
Speaker 1: lives where the kid stays. Yeah, like that house has
Speaker 1: got some bad juju. Yeah. Well, and then the girl
Speaker 1: comes in a little Misha Barton right, Yeah, holy crap,
Speaker 1: she was good. Now, Yeah, let's talk about that, because
Speaker 1: that's where he learns the very important um uh part
Speaker 1: of his world, which is there after something I can
Speaker 1: help them, like he he has a he has charged
Speaker 1: with helping these people. Well yeah, yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: Bruce Willison the scene before that, isn't it us will
Speaker 1: Is saying something like what I think what you need
Speaker 1: to do is listen to them, Yeah, something like that,
Speaker 1: talk back to them or listen to them. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: interact with them instead of just running away or being
Speaker 1: scared or whatever. And then this little kid who's been
Speaker 1: terrified of him this whole time. Yeah it's a dead person, yeah,
Speaker 1: who is died pretty horrendously like this when she shows up, man, yeah,
Speaker 1: like he thinks he's safe. He's in his tent with
Speaker 1: all his religious memorabilia. It's a really bright red tent
Speaker 1: by the way, remember yeah his use or pretty yuh,
Speaker 1: and it just starts popping on the top like yeah
Speaker 1: again man, he can That's really scary when that tents
Speaker 1: coming upen and she's just sitting there with vomit coming
Speaker 1: out of her mouth. Well breakfast cereal but sure oh yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess it was. It was breakfast cereal, isn't it. It
Speaker 1: It was the thing I looked that up. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was cereal, but she um. The reveal there was great,
Speaker 1: I think, and chilling. The at that funeral scene where
Speaker 1: the dad is he delivers that VHS. I'm getting chills
Speaker 1: again thinking about it, and he sees that his mom
Speaker 1: has been or her mom has been poisoning her. It's
Speaker 1: like that was really that was really great. I think again,
Speaker 1: parts of this movie I thought were so well done.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of the Netflix show The Stranger? Is
Speaker 1: that the Patrici Arquette thing? No, no, no, that's another one.
Speaker 1: This it's called a Stranger. It's British. Um. I just
Speaker 1: watched the whole thing, like seriously two days. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: a series two days. I've been to the entire thing Stranger.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, maybe I do know that. I'm only
Speaker 1: saying this because munchild's and by proxy enters into that
Speaker 1: story as well. Um, the concept of like getting their
Speaker 1: child sicker. And I loved one sick um that was
Speaker 1: in the Amy Adam show too, that was out not
Speaker 1: too long ago. That was part of the plot. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: and we've covered that on and stuff. You should know
Speaker 1: it's really tough. Oh yeah, I remember that Stranger. I
Speaker 1: don't think I know this movie, this set show. It
Speaker 1: just popped on there. I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1: Besides I very much enjoyed it. Um, oh this is new. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's got a great cast and the writing is pretty solid. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I would say check it out. Um to jump back,
Speaker 1: I want to talk where was the other? It was
Speaker 1: the other moment of a spirit that he sees. Oh God, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this scene. And I want to find
Speaker 1: out if you're gonna tear it apart at all. We've
Speaker 1: already kind of mentioned it, but it's right towards the
Speaker 1: end before the massive reveal. It's when it's the scene
Speaker 1: when Cole finally tells his mom what's going on. They're
Speaker 1: in the car, traffic is stopped. The first thing we
Speaker 1: see is there's clearly been an accident. There's an ambulance
Speaker 1: I think, and traffic is deadlocked, and we the camera
Speaker 1: just kind of follows down the line of cars until
Speaker 1: we get to there the mom's car. Cole's in there
Speaker 1: and he's just kind of looking out his passenger side window.
Speaker 1: The mom's frustrated that he just did. Cole just performed
Speaker 1: in this play, which was like he finally got the
Speaker 1: moment that he talks about in the beginning where he
Speaker 1: gets raised up like a hero because he was the
Speaker 1: hero of the play and it's just this beautiful moment
Speaker 1: for him. Bruce Willis was watching him in the middle
Speaker 1: of the aisle. By the way, he's always in the
Speaker 1: middle of the It's funny last night when that came
Speaker 1: out and said, what the fund is he doing standing
Speaker 1: there in the middle of the aisle? Maybe I giggled
Speaker 1: it that because he did it. I think he did
Speaker 1: it several times where he just in the middle of
Speaker 1: the aisle. Yeah, I guess I'm in the theater now.
Speaker 1: Let's it's say for the ghosts, you know, and everyone
Speaker 1: can see through him. So yes. So the mom is
Speaker 1: explaining that she's really sorry that she wasn't there. She
Speaker 1: wished she would have been at the play, but she
Speaker 1: couldn't make it. Um. He's like, yeah, no, it's okay, mom,
Speaker 1: I get it. Um. And then she mentioned something like
Speaker 1: I hope that nobody got hurt in the accident, that
Speaker 1: someone did get hurt. She's like, how do you know?
Speaker 1: And she starts looking up there. Dude, he's got that
Speaker 1: great line. I think I wrote this whole thing down here. Maddie,
Speaker 1: re enactmancies are great. Well, no, no no, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: re enact it. But he he says just quietly, um,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to communicate with you now, Oh that's right,
Speaker 1: and she's like communicate like and it's actually great, like
Speaker 1: the way she's like communicate because he's talking to the
Speaker 1: lady right she he's talking to. Oh I took at
Speaker 1: that as he's talking to the dead lady. Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I thought he's talking to his mom as
Speaker 1: setting up like that, like I'll tell you what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to tell you, and you're probably right. But
Speaker 1: he used the word communicate, which is funny. I love that.
Speaker 1: She was like, really, okay, it's a funny little parent moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just that was nice. But he merely just says,
Speaker 1: you know that, you know that accident up there, someone
Speaker 1: got hurt. She's like they did a lady she died
Speaker 1: and she's like what really, Like, like, first of all,
Speaker 1: my young child is talking about death, which is never
Speaker 1: a fun conversations always it's generally difficult. We're talking about
Speaker 1: that a lot lately, so too. Halloween did it this year.
Speaker 1: Really he just like something clicked, and you like, it's
Speaker 1: sure exactly what it was. It may have been her grandmother,
Speaker 1: Emily's mom. One of their dogs died and so that
Speaker 1: may have been ed. When my dog passed, we touched
Speaker 1: on it. But he was pretty young. So she's starting
Speaker 1: to say some really sad things like you know, when
Speaker 1: I get older, you know grand grand will be dead
Speaker 1: and when older. But she also says things like you know,
Speaker 1: when older people die, they go back to being babies.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting, Yeah, like work style. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe she's got the gift, but it's really sad stuff.
Speaker 1: So I try to diffuse it just by saying, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't need to worry about that stuff generally. That's
Speaker 1: why I trying to deflect a little bit. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about true. You know, that's really true. They people die,
Speaker 1: but you don't have to worry about that stuff right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but go ahead, But he just explains she's like what
Speaker 1: can you see her? Where is she? And he's like
Speaker 1: standing next to my window. She starts to, you know,
Speaker 1: is my son crazy? Like you can see it in
Speaker 1: her face in her performance? What is happening here? And
Speaker 1: you know, you're scaring me, and he says, they scare
Speaker 1: me too. Sometimes I feel like she almost believes him
Speaker 1: a little bit too. It's yeah, it's both right. She's
Speaker 1: tearing on tearing on the edge. He was fantastic in
Speaker 1: this movie, dude. But then they just he goes through
Speaker 1: and ends up mentioning Grandma about the bumblebee pendant that
Speaker 1: was such a big earlier, and she's like, Grandma says,
Speaker 1: she's sorry for moving the bat, for taking the bumble
Speaker 1: bee pendant. She just really likes it or she loves it.
Speaker 1: And then he told the whole story that like he
Speaker 1: wouldn't know yes her when she was young, just like
Speaker 1: how the mom missed his play the grandmother, I guess
Speaker 1: I missed, must have missed a lot of performances of
Speaker 1: her daughter. And Grandma apparently just says, no, I did
Speaker 1: I saw her dance, like, or I tell her I
Speaker 1: saw her dance because I was there. I snuck in.
Speaker 1: I was in the back of the theater and I
Speaker 1: watched the whole thing in the middle of the aisle yep.
Speaker 1: And she said, you were like an angel, yeah, and dude,
Speaker 1: I just was like, oh, dude, Emily was falling. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I looked over and she was like, I can't even
Speaker 1: think it. That was a great scene, dude, this is
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find I'm gonna finish it. She said, you
Speaker 1: came to the place where they buried her and asked
Speaker 1: her a question. She said, the answer is every day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Matt, Yeah, dude, I'm okay. I'm hanging in there.
Speaker 1: It was just like, oh God, you know I would
Speaker 1: be crying right now too if it not for the
Speaker 1: plot holes that has made me a little bit dead
Speaker 1: outside God, chuck. Now, that was a really well done
Speaker 1: seen and I think they were again, so much of
Speaker 1: this movie I think was was great. Um, so I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not like God that movie Like I didn't like
Speaker 1: it twenty years on I did. Um, can we talk
Speaker 1: about the stuttering Stanley scene? Yeah? Because online there is
Speaker 1: a rich world of theories. Really, Yeah, because how does
Speaker 1: he know that he was stuttering? Stanley's the whole thing
Speaker 1: and you don't we think about that? No, you don't.
Speaker 1: Could be another plot hole kind of is, but I
Speaker 1: think it leaves it open ended to figure it out
Speaker 1: because he never goes back and explains that. And there
Speaker 1: was one theory I saw on Reddit that, Um, it
Speaker 1: wasn't some crazy out there Reddit thing. It was just
Speaker 1: very matter of fact. This dude was like, well, I
Speaker 1: think this guy was bullied and killed one of his bullies,
Speaker 1: and that's how Lee joel Os thats how Cole gets
Speaker 1: this information. Uh, And it was just very simple and
Speaker 1: a lot of people like this actually makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense, and uh, it's not outlandish and it totally
Speaker 1: could be the deal. But that he didn't go back
Speaker 1: and like flashback to a scene of him being bullied
Speaker 1: and like hitting a kid with a brick or something
Speaker 1: in the playground. Um, but that whole thing is kind
Speaker 1: of weird because he he also has that part backstage
Speaker 1: where you see the teacher who was burned and he
Speaker 1: talked about the fire. So I don't know if that
Speaker 1: had something to do with it or not. But how
Speaker 1: did he know he was stuttering Stanley. It was a
Speaker 1: good scene. It was very intense and well well played,
Speaker 1: I think, but it was another one of those moments
Speaker 1: where immediately I was like, wait, I never thought about
Speaker 1: it the first time, but last night I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, how does he know he was stuttering Stanley?
Speaker 1: Because he can see dead people. He was a straight
Speaker 1: up murderer. Maybe he said that fire well, that was
Speaker 1: another one of the theories. He said he set the
Speaker 1: fire that burned that teacher and he's still got a
Speaker 1: job there. Maybe. I don't know. That scene was great though,
Speaker 1: because that was when the idea that the school had
Speaker 1: dead people, yes, and he was like, no, this wasn't.
Speaker 1: People weren't hanged here. And he saw that great shot
Speaker 1: of those three like colonial era people hanging there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was really good. Again, I'm getting chills all over
Speaker 1: the place. Well, and for me, it's the way Hayley
Speaker 1: Joel Osmond and it's either the directing or the performance.
Speaker 1: But he's standing looking perpendicularly to the gymnasium entrance up
Speaker 1: those stairs and just talking. He's never looking at them.
Speaker 1: He knows they're there. He like glanced him and saw them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a good shot. He's speaking to Bruce Willis's
Speaker 1: character in front of him a time. Uh. That just
Speaker 1: made it more intense for me. Yeah, it's a good choice.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of good choices in this movie.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. Um. And again I think he think he
Speaker 1: is as a filmmakers. His my deal is with him,
Speaker 1: as he has so much promise that I think he
Speaker 1: hasn't fully realized. Like, even though I liked Unbreakable the best,
Speaker 1: I think I like it best because it has the
Speaker 1: fewest amount of things that I didn't like got it
Speaker 1: rather than boy it was this amazing film. Like every
Speaker 1: other movie of his, I'm like, oh man, that's that
Speaker 1: didn't quite work. This doesn't quite work. Yeah, I liked
Speaker 1: a lot of the Village parts of it, but there
Speaker 1: were some pretty big plot holes in that one too
Speaker 1: that I just you know, you're I think he counts
Speaker 1: on you to really just roll past those. Dude, You're
Speaker 1: so right for me. The first time I saw The Village,
Speaker 1: I remember really liking it. I loved it the first
Speaker 1: time I saw it. I liked it a lot more
Speaker 1: of the first time too. It was the second time
Speaker 1: when I started to realize and I was trying to
Speaker 1: read it the way I read the sixth sense, where
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, let's put all these pieces together, like
Speaker 1: to see the full picture, and I was just going,
Speaker 1: wait a second, all the like the whole movie I'm
Speaker 1: going home, wait what but again, like tone and atmosphere,
Speaker 1: the use of color, like he's really really great at
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, oh my gosh, Um, what was it
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis heard on that cassette tape the Latin thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't quite follow that. Oh what was that all about?
Speaker 1: Was that the one where I might have zoned out
Speaker 1: for a minute. Is this the cassette tape where he
Speaker 1: goes back and he realizes that Vincent was somehow hearing
Speaker 1: dead people? Is that what we're talking about. I guess
Speaker 1: it was like an old interview with Vincent and I
Speaker 1: couldn't understand what was being said. Okay, so it first
Speaker 1: it sounds like Spanish, yes, and then you realize, okay,
Speaker 1: it is Spanish, and what he's saying in Spanish is
Speaker 1: I don't want to die, or okay, I don't want
Speaker 1: to die or don't want to be dead, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to die the way it said. Um, And
Speaker 1: he's just hearing this and he's like, and I guess
Speaker 1: that is Bruce Willis's character's realization that both Vincent, who
Speaker 1: was exhibiting very similar symptoms as Coal was like realizing
Speaker 1: it was the same thing, and Malcolm was unable to
Speaker 1: help Vincent at the time because he didn't believe it.
Speaker 1: This is his redemption. Yeah, I didn't know, but that's
Speaker 1: that real moment where he figures it out. But it's
Speaker 1: weird to me. I guess it would make sense if
Speaker 1: you're talking about electronic voice phenomena, like maybe there's a
Speaker 1: ghost voice recorded on this thing, because is that what
Speaker 1: you hear like with with an e v P. No, no no, no,
Speaker 1: And in the cassette do you just hear Vincent? Did
Speaker 1: you turn it up and here's some other thing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you hear Vincent breathing like and kind of having a
Speaker 1: panic attack of and then he turns it way up
Speaker 1: and you can hear the guy speaking in Spanish saying
Speaker 1: I don't want to die. Oh okay, all right, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I get it now. So that was what he turned
Speaker 1: it up and heard. Was that was presumably a Spanish
Speaker 1: ghost there? Yea, yeah, there was another voice. There's another
Speaker 1: voice in the room with Vincent when he left the room,
Speaker 1: Like everybody's gone with Vincent in one of those non
Speaker 1: interrogation room, but you know, an interview room in a
Speaker 1: clinical setting probably And yeah, okay, I think I must
Speaker 1: have zoned out for a minute last night. That makes
Speaker 1: much more sense now unless it was you know, and
Speaker 1: that's a cool little plot point too. I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, it could have been a staff member
Speaker 1: or another patient somewhere just talking. We worked with Mikes
Speaker 1: a lot. You can like, there are people all around
Speaker 1: us right now. We're in this tiny little room. There
Speaker 1: are people walking and talking all around us right now.
Speaker 1: And if you turn this up enough, if you just
Speaker 1: if we were just silent for a second, yeah, you
Speaker 1: could hear no farting in the background. Who knows what
Speaker 1: you could hear? Goodness people. Um, I guess let's talk
Speaker 1: about the end a bit and the you know, the
Speaker 1: reveal scene. I think it holds up. This is what
Speaker 1: this is exactly what I wanted to ask you. We
Speaker 1: talked in Fight Club about the reveal mont Yeah, this
Speaker 1: has a very similar reveal Monty, where you go back
Speaker 1: and kind of show the reality of what you've already seen.
Speaker 1: How how does this compare to you? I like this
Speaker 1: one more. I think I remember to think the Fight
Speaker 1: Club would bother me a bit. This one doesn't bother
Speaker 1: me as much. It's, um, it's a bit of a trope,
Speaker 1: but like I think it kind of worked for this
Speaker 1: movie because it really is a movie where especially the
Speaker 1: first time you see it. It pays off to see
Speaker 1: those things happen again in a pretty good way where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh shit, she was by herself in that
Speaker 1: restaurant and he's you know, he's he's always by himself,
Speaker 1: or I mean they're always by themselves because he's not
Speaker 1: really there. I thought it worked and it was I
Speaker 1: think it was good. I would agree with you. I
Speaker 1: actually was viewing it this time thinking about the way
Speaker 1: you felt about the fight club scene, and I was
Speaker 1: just going, I was, they do marry each other. I
Speaker 1: didn't think about that. It's weird. It's weirdly similar, these
Speaker 1: two movies that just trick you that came out the
Speaker 1: same year. Yeah, but that's the thing that they didn't
Speaker 1: invent it. I know they didn't invent it. These are
Speaker 1: like the two well the biggest movies that true when
Speaker 1: they both had a very similar convention. Yeah, it's interesting
Speaker 1: be ghost person, Brad Pitt meet Bruce Willis. Have they
Speaker 1: ever been in a movie together? Oh god, um, what
Speaker 1: is the Twelve Monkeys? Oh? Yeah, oh my lord, here
Speaker 1: you go. Oh that's what year was that? I must
Speaker 1: have been earlier? But when was? No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it can't be Has anybody done that movie on this show? No,
Speaker 1: I feel like that was one of your on on
Speaker 1: your list, definitely that would definitely, Yeah, that's all right,
Speaker 1: we can do whatever we want. Also a big year
Speaker 1: for me. UM. I thought the I thought the reveal worked,
Speaker 1: though even upon second viewing, UM it holds up. I
Speaker 1: think I liked the I really like the way they
Speaker 1: got into it with the ring falling, Like coming into
Speaker 1: the house again, we keep seeing him just kind of
Speaker 1: hover around his wife, not talking to her. Um, and
Speaker 1: who is it? I think it was Cole says right
Speaker 1: before this scene, like two scenes before, he says, I
Speaker 1: figured out a way you can talk to your wife.
Speaker 1: Wait till she's asleep, that's right, and you know, just
Speaker 1: tell her everything you want to tell her and she'll
Speaker 1: hear you. Um, but you know, and that happened and
Speaker 1: she talked to her sleep presumably right. Yeah, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that worked. I got no problems with that scene.
Speaker 1: Well and then that, yeah, I think he starts talking
Speaker 1: to her and apologizing to her. Right, He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that I haven't been in here. I've been around.
Speaker 1: But I think this was sort of his big Catharsis
Speaker 1: was to tell her like, basically, you were never you're
Speaker 1: never second, your second. Yeah, I love you. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: but wait, that was why haven't you spoken to me
Speaker 1: in a year? This was okay? Now I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out in the timeline. Um, okay. So prior to
Speaker 1: the reveal, she says, he says, Anna, she says, I
Speaker 1: miss you, like she's kind of asleep. She said, I
Speaker 1: miss you. Why Malcolm, And he says, what, what is it?
Speaker 1: Why did you leave me? She says. He says, I
Speaker 1: didn't leave you, And that's when she drops the wedding ring,
Speaker 1: right it falls, and that's when his mind like shatters,
Speaker 1: and that that first part is a taste of the reveal.
Speaker 1: But I don't think when I saw that for the
Speaker 1: first time, I still put it together with the wedding ring.
Speaker 1: I think it needed those extra scenes for sure, for sure,
Speaker 1: but it was just a great way to get you
Speaker 1: into it, for in my mind of that when he
Speaker 1: looks down his wedding rings not on his finger, and
Speaker 1: at first you know that could be linked to divorce,
Speaker 1: that could be linked to separation, It could be linked
Speaker 1: to a lot of different things. Um, But immediately again,
Speaker 1: my brain goes, wait, was he has he e been
Speaker 1: wearing that blue shirt like this whole time? I think
Speaker 1: he has he was, and there's a bullet hole in
Speaker 1: the front of it. I thought that reveal was kind
Speaker 1: of cool, how the exit wound was there the whole
Speaker 1: time and you just didn't know it because he's usually
Speaker 1: got on the overcoat and he you know, because everyone
Speaker 1: else's wounds are evident. Uh So that that was a
Speaker 1: nice little touch. I think I did not notice, even
Speaker 1: rewatching it again, I didn't notice he was wearing the
Speaker 1: same damn outfit. Evidently he didn't either, that he had
Speaker 1: worn the same outfit per year and he had a
Speaker 1: hole in it in that shirt everybody else has changed
Speaker 1: and he wasn't Like, what then is this hole in
Speaker 1: my stomach my shirt? And that's weird. I gotta take
Speaker 1: care of that. Yeah, that man, that was really really great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this movie is one where if
Speaker 1: you can check all that at the door, truly lose
Speaker 1: yourself in it, it still really works. Um. But twenty
Speaker 1: years on, for me, I'm a little more cynical maybe
Speaker 1: about these plot holes, and found myself kind of being
Speaker 1: distracted a bit I get it, but you know, good film.
Speaker 1: Not Are you disappointed to me? No, no, I because
Speaker 1: I'm identifying with it. I do feel the same way.
Speaker 1: I did not expect to be as moved this time though.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, that stuff like the scale I was talking about,
Speaker 1: that stuff really helped counterbalance it was the emotional stuff
Speaker 1: really got to me a lot more. Seriously, I would say,
Speaker 1: if you were listening to this and you haven't watched
Speaker 1: The Sixth Sense in a little while, especially if you've
Speaker 1: had a child since watching it, Yeah, agreed, do yourself
Speaker 1: favor and watch it because it will. It will move you,
Speaker 1: It really will. Yeah. I mean, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, like I said, it's it's really kind of
Speaker 1: a drama about a troubled boy and his mom. That's
Speaker 1: sort of the heart of this movie. The rest of
Speaker 1: the stuff is around it. But uh, I think I
Speaker 1: could maybe used a little more. How do we leave them?
Speaker 1: How do we leave mom and Cole? What's the last
Speaker 1: thing we see with them? Isn't it in the car?
Speaker 1: Is it? There wasn't like a scene at the end
Speaker 1: where they he kind of feels better and they have
Speaker 1: a nice day in the park or something. See, let's
Speaker 1: see um any handed. She says, she answers the question
Speaker 1: or she gives the question that the grandma answered, which
Speaker 1: was every day. She says, do I make her proud?
Speaker 1: And he just says, Mama, right, hug. Then we cut
Speaker 1: right to Malcolm walking in and has passed out on
Speaker 1: the couch watching that wedding video. We get the reveals.
Speaker 1: So that is the last bit. It goes to White.
Speaker 1: I guess that is their closure then, because it starts
Speaker 1: with them, it ends with them. And you know, I
Speaker 1: also have to say that I think Bruce Willis and
Speaker 1: Hayley Joel Osmond's chemistry was great. Um, when it's just
Speaker 1: the two of them, that's really good stuff. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, man, Like watching this movie and just seeing
Speaker 1: this kid and then hearing the interview there's a short
Speaker 1: interview like behind the scenes interview with Haley Joe Osmond
Speaker 1: at the time describing his character. Yeah, he was pretty advanced.
Speaker 1: Holy crap. You can't give a performance with this kind
Speaker 1: of depth at that age if you're not ahead of
Speaker 1: the curve of a bit. Yeah. So then he goes
Speaker 1: on he does like a I he does a ton
Speaker 1: of big movies. Um, pretty great, and and all of them,
Speaker 1: this one, to me was always the standout role, like
Speaker 1: the one that he just was able to really eat
Speaker 1: up and just he understood it for some reason. So well, Um,
Speaker 1: not that I didn't like a I have you done Ai,
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was very good. I didn't really
Speaker 1: like it either, And I don't think it was his fault.
Speaker 1: Uh No, it wasn't. It was disappointing though, Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I remember at the time, I was like
Speaker 1: Kubrick's original story, Yeah, I know this is going to
Speaker 1: be lights out great, and it just wasn't. It just
Speaker 1: didn't do it. Um. But he you know, he goes on,
Speaker 1: he makes all these movies and he leaves, he goes
Speaker 1: to n y U. Sorry, did a tiny bit of
Speaker 1: research on him, because a degree does this whole thing
Speaker 1: comes back. He's working with Kevin Smith a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's come back and kind of leaning into comedy and
Speaker 1: sort of I think he realizes that when he's used
Speaker 1: now it's a bit of a not a stunt, but
Speaker 1: a bit of a nod and a wink. Yeah, And look,
Speaker 1: I maybe just missing something because I don't know and
Speaker 1: I honestly haven't looked into it that much, but I
Speaker 1: would love to see him in another dramatic role of
Speaker 1: some sort. Is like there there's some intensity to it,
Speaker 1: but also that tenderness. I would love to see that again,
Speaker 1: Like how how his performances have evolved, how his craft is.
Speaker 1: Give him something really meaty, man, I would love to
Speaker 1: see that. I would too, maybe like something smaller, like
Speaker 1: a little indie he could be in. And uh, he's one.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that when you're a kid
Speaker 1: that was so big in something. It's sort of like
Speaker 1: the McAuley Culkin syndrome. It's it's tough when you see
Speaker 1: him grown up with his beard with a little weight
Speaker 1: on him, with that same little face though. He's just
Speaker 1: one of those like I look completely different than when
Speaker 1: I was a kid. I'm not, but he still has
Speaker 1: that same face. Well you know, yeah, I agree, Yes,
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's always funny. Well and also growing
Speaker 1: up in the Hollywood system. Um, sure you did all
Speaker 1: right though you got a d U I bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I'm just speaking more to the scary dark stuff, yeah,
Speaker 1: in the culture out there. Yeah, with with certain individuals
Speaker 1: that we've discussed on my show a lot. Stuff they
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Speaker 1: Disney sold it too. Yeah. Uh, that's such a weird thing.
Speaker 1: And I did, honestly didn't know what it meant. I
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Speaker 1: but yeah, who you know, I don't even need to
Speaker 1: bring that being into it, the work of human Yeah,
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Speaker 1: All right, everyone, thanks for listening. Um. I thought this
Speaker 1: was a good one to tackle because it wasn't a
Speaker 1: love fest and most of the times it's a movie that,
Speaker 1: like I loved unabashedly, so it was kind of an
Speaker 1: interesting experiment to talk about one that I had issues
Speaker 1: with overall, Like though, Yeah, um, and thanks for like
Speaker 1: hanging in there and not being like a sour post
Speaker 1: about it. Thanks for having me on again. Yeah what's next?
Speaker 1: Do we now? Um? Not sure, but we were just
Speaker 1: talked about Twelve Monkeys and I'm I'm into that all right.
Speaker 1: If we haven't done it, have you done? Um? Oh god?
Speaker 1: What is I'm trying to think of this movie? The
Speaker 1: Fisher King? Have you done that? Fisher King is one
Speaker 1: of my all time favorites. Like, I would do that
Speaker 1: one in a heartbeat. I like New York in June.
Speaker 1: How about you. Maybe maybe right on the um on
Speaker 1: the movie crushers see what they want to hear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love to people do a poll and let people vote.
Speaker 1: That would be great. Twelve monkeys or fisher King which
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