WEBVTT - CHARLIE WILSON

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<v Speaker 1>With me on the phone is Charlie Wilson, who is

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<v Speaker 1>a very very busy man these days. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>Delilah Show. Thank you so much for having me. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for taking time out of your busy schedule. So

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<v Speaker 1>you've been kind of busy lately, trapes in the globe

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<v Speaker 1>with Robin Thick and every other artists that recognizes your talent.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that feel? It's just I'm on it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just so so blessed and and you know, everything is

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<v Speaker 1>just going my way right now, and I just thank

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<v Speaker 1>God for the opportunity to be able to sing and

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<v Speaker 1>rejoice and just have fun, you know, with uh, with

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<v Speaker 1>all some of my favorite artists that that are that

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<v Speaker 1>are still singing to day. And so you've been singing

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<v Speaker 1>and having fun and rejoicing for several years. But um,

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<v Speaker 1>this is kind of a a rebirth, if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>of the Charlie Wilson story the last couple of years. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, of course, I think everybody that

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<v Speaker 1>know me know that I was was the lead singer

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<v Speaker 1>the Gap band for for many many years and at fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, top ten hits or whatever, and and how

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<v Speaker 1>many Grammy nominations, and so I decided to start start

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<v Speaker 1>a career. Uh, but it was you know, everybody was

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<v Speaker 1>thought I was kind of crazy because I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was a little late for me to start doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, they told Moses the same thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Noah heard the same words once or twice too.

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<v Speaker 1>Those you're crazy, it's so crazy. So I just said,

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<v Speaker 1>I God to before me, who could be against me?

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<v Speaker 1>So after that, it's just like, you know, I had

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<v Speaker 1>eleven number one hit records, um by myself, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's just amazing, you know, how how faith can

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<v Speaker 1>turn around or if you if you if you're satisfied

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<v Speaker 1>with what you're doing, and and and sober, so share

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<v Speaker 1>share just a little bit of your testimony, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>very bold, you're not ashamed at all to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>where you were and where God has brought you from. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just say it like quickly, like this in

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<v Speaker 1>a short term. Basically, I went to a party of

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<v Speaker 1>roughly around say just say nineteen nine or something, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't leave the party to so you showed up

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<v Speaker 1>for the party and you just stayed at that party. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I was the only one at the party.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, I was like, Okay, I'm the only

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<v Speaker 1>one here. I'm the only one still standing. I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>only one still at this party. And it just was, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is overwhelming. And um, if anybody in my book

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<v Speaker 1>Memoirs called I Am Charlie Wilson and I released in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand fifteen, it was a New York Times best seller,

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Post bestseller. And but I tell some things in

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<v Speaker 1>my book about, you know, how good God has been

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<v Speaker 1>to me because I had stayed up a few times,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so I'll say a few times, a few times,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe five days here and maybe eight days here

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<v Speaker 1>straight up without no food and water, maybe ten and

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<v Speaker 1>then twelve days, and then on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 1>Did it get to sixteen days without food and water,

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<v Speaker 1>just cocaine and so um um I um. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>I would die. Uh, really thought I would not be

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<v Speaker 1>here today. And but God is an amazing God. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you ask for in prayer, you know, I asked

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<v Speaker 1>God to not to let these demons and these devils

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<v Speaker 1>and of of drug abuse kill me out here before

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<v Speaker 1>I could get back to what I love to do,

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<v Speaker 1>which is seeing and beyond stage. And um, he allows

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<v Speaker 1>that for me. And as simple as that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm twenty two years cleaning sober um and thanking God

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<v Speaker 1>for my life. And I had went to the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>in nineties six and the doctor a throat doctor, because

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering why that my talking force was really

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<v Speaker 1>hoarse and why I couldn't hit some notes. And he

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<v Speaker 1>told me that that my vocal cards had was had

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<v Speaker 1>been frozen from so much uh cocaine and smoke, crack

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<v Speaker 1>abuse and um. But it's like man, and he says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you won't be able to sing. I was like, excuse me.

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<v Speaker 1>He says that you might as well uh to hang

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<v Speaker 1>those boots up. And I was like, man, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>must don't know. To God, I know. And right from

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<v Speaker 1>there I went home and just got on my knees

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<v Speaker 1>and ask God to to just release some some blessings

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<v Speaker 1>for me, because what I really wanted to do was

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<v Speaker 1>to continue to sing and to uh and share and

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<v Speaker 1>share my story and give him the glory of all

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<v Speaker 1>the things. So so was this doctor's appointment, Charlie, after

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<v Speaker 1>you had already gotten clean sober, and this was it

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<v Speaker 1>was It was, it was after I was sober. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the first in the first year. So you had

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<v Speaker 1>gotten away from the drugs and alcohol and made that choice,

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<v Speaker 1>but you were now suffering the damages of a destructive lifestyle. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>That's something people don't understand is you've got to pay

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<v Speaker 1>the piper. And even if God delivers you, there's still

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<v Speaker 1>that big bill that you owe on your body. So

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<v Speaker 1>so the doctor says, son, you're gonna have to pay

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<v Speaker 1>the bill. And the price you're gonna have to pay

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<v Speaker 1>is no more singing. No more singing. Your your voice

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<v Speaker 1>is fried, Your vocal cords are locked. They're probably got

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<v Speaker 1>notes on them the size of Texas. And and and

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen I mean, I've been in this business a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, and I've known a lot of your contemporaries

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<v Speaker 1>that did the same thing. And they're no longer singing,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not even speaking. Absolutely like this. Absolutely, So you

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<v Speaker 1>went home. Okay, now pick up the story here. You

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<v Speaker 1>went home, and what did you did? You like, pack

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<v Speaker 1>up your your your microphone and hang up your headphones. No.

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<v Speaker 1>I went home and I got on my knees and

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<v Speaker 1>I asked God deliver me from all of this that's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with my body, you know, And um, you

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<v Speaker 1>know my belief at the time, my faith it was

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<v Speaker 1>a little weird because I mean, you know, it just

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<v Speaker 1>got off the streets not too long ago, and but

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<v Speaker 1>I would still had faith and and uh, but so

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<v Speaker 1>what's the worst what's the worst place you ever found yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>You woke up and you said, how did how did

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<v Speaker 1>I get here? Where? Where? What was that moment? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I was, you know, without telling my holster, I was

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping under a U Haul truck under under not inside,

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<v Speaker 1>not under the U Haul truck under you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>a U Haul parking lot whatever is like maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred U Haul truck. So you just made you just

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<v Speaker 1>found your way into the U Haul rental place and thought,

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<v Speaker 1>this looks like a good hotel. And oh well yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, you found the truck in the back

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<v Speaker 1>where you're gonna have to They're going to sell a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of run a lot of U Haul trucks to

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<v Speaker 1>get to this one because the windows is really dirty

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<v Speaker 1>on this truck. So I'm gonna sleep under this truck.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's where I was for a while. And

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<v Speaker 1>then some homeless people was taking care of me here

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<v Speaker 1>and there here and then sleeping in bushes behind trash

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<v Speaker 1>cans and dumpsters and and things like this. This was

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<v Speaker 1>after the Gap band success. But yeah, I UM, and

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<v Speaker 1>I come up to go to UH to go to

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<v Speaker 1>a store, liquor store or something, and outside and seen

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<v Speaker 1>a cousin of mine who had been sober for three

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<v Speaker 1>years and uh. And she immediately started crying because I

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<v Speaker 1>looked at her and said, because, wow, you should his

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<v Speaker 1>light skinned, because the last time I had seen her,

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<v Speaker 1>she was all skin, was all dart and patchy and blotchy,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, because we were smoking and getting high

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<v Speaker 1>and she, um, she said, because she just chears store

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<v Speaker 1>rolling out of our eyes. And I said, what's wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with you? Give me a hit? And she's like, because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get high no more. I don't get how

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<v Speaker 1>no more. You know, look at you, you look like

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<v Speaker 1>you're dying. You kinda come on good in the rehab,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I ain't going to no rehab. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>have been in seven of them. Of course, none of

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<v Speaker 1>them work for me, because I went across somebody else

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<v Speaker 1>told me I should go into the rehab, and not

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<v Speaker 1>for myself. But I listened to her this one time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got she took me to this rehab. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have no money, and uh and uh they got

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<v Speaker 1>me in this day program and man um um for

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen of those days. I um, of course I was

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<v Speaker 1>just uh, you know, trying to sign autographs and and

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of crazy stuff. So how how how tall

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<v Speaker 1>are you and how much do you think you were

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<v Speaker 1>weighing at the time. At the time, I was, I

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<v Speaker 1>still from five eleven, And of course I was waiting

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<v Speaker 1>about maybe a huntred and thirty pounds hunting. I was

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<v Speaker 1>a mag stick, because any man's at that agent and

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<v Speaker 1>five level should weigh at least one said if I

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<v Speaker 1>want eighty somewhere in there, I was wearing one thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, it was bad for me to lie bad,

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<v Speaker 1>bad bad, but and but God just was with my

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<v Speaker 1>cousin found me and uh, God knows why how why

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<v Speaker 1>was she in that area? You know? And uh, but

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<v Speaker 1>she found me there and she talked to me, since

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<v Speaker 1>listen to I'm about to take you this rehab. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wow, is that bad? Did she normally

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<v Speaker 1>hang out in that area or was this one of

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<v Speaker 1>those divine appointments where God took her out of her

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<v Speaker 1>way and took you out of your way? So you

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<v Speaker 1>could have that intersection in time. Definitely not a hangout

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<v Speaker 1>area for her because she was like like maybe forty

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<v Speaker 1>miles away from that place where she used to live

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<v Speaker 1>and where we used to hang out basically, um, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how and why she was there. Never

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<v Speaker 1>got into that. I was just looking for actually another hit,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought she probably were the one that had it,

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<v Speaker 1>since we used to get high together. But she said

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<v Speaker 1>it was three years and she had had a uh

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<v Speaker 1>some cocaine and she was sober, and she worked at

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<v Speaker 1>this rehabilitation center and she was like, please, because you're dying,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was crying, and I was like, wow, I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't looked in the mirror. So she she grabbed my my, my,

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<v Speaker 1>my jaws and it was pulled a skin. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you see this skin. Look at your arms, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>your your your arm, your forearm, look two fingers almost.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like it was out of looking at myself.

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<v Speaker 1>And I smile, and I knew I had uh pinned

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<v Speaker 1>up my pants and rolled them up from the back

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<v Speaker 1>and just trying to keep away flying there and it

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<v Speaker 1>was everything was falling off from me. But she talked

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<v Speaker 1>me into this rehabilitation center, and and that's what my

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<v Speaker 1>life I started living again. I mean, after fourteen days,

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<v Speaker 1>I finally got in touch with these feelings I had.

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<v Speaker 1>And man, I just broke down and and sharing in

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<v Speaker 1>these meetings and just cried and cried and cried and

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<v Speaker 1>listening to everybody else's story and cried more and more

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<v Speaker 1>and and um and ran into this later. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor in the rehab there and and uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>my cousin had worked for her, and you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>we talked and she said, why uh, prior to that,

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<v Speaker 1>why weren't you sharing? And I need to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you more and more and more, you know. And I

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<v Speaker 1>helped your cousin out, and she went through that whole story,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, what you're gonna do when you get

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<v Speaker 1>out of here? You onta have like fourteen days. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I just broke down and start crying. And this ladies

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<v Speaker 1>office and she's like, you know, she said, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know you like that well, but I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>do know your cousin, So I'll tell you what I'll do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll help for you. I won't let your feet hit

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<v Speaker 1>the ground if you're serious about being clean and sober.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said ma'am. Yes, ma'am, I said, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want she's what you're gonna go when you get out

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<v Speaker 1>of I don't have anywhere to go. So lady took

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<v Speaker 1>me out with a past like a few days later

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<v Speaker 1>and look around from me the house and got the house.

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<v Speaker 1>And long story short, she got the house, got the

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<v Speaker 1>furniture and put the furniture in the house for me

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<v Speaker 1>and everything and um and a long story short again, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked this later, I said, ma'am listening, I cannot

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<v Speaker 1>be in this house by myself, and um and and

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<v Speaker 1>I was just looking at it. She said, what you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at me for? I said, I said, because I

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<v Speaker 1>can't be in this house, ma'am by myself. And she said,

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<v Speaker 1>but why are you looking at me? I said, because

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to be in here witnesses. No no no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no no no, I can't be in here with you.

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<v Speaker 1>And so long story show. And I finally talked to

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<v Speaker 1>him to being with me. And she's now my wife

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty two years and I have not turned around

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<v Speaker 1>one time. She's been right, Oh, Charlie, you're gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>me cry. Twenty two years at twenty four hours a day,

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<v Speaker 1>seven days a week. We're together. We go everywhere except

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<v Speaker 1>for the public restrooms. So God sent you, not just

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<v Speaker 1>your cousin to help you to find sobriety, but your

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<v Speaker 1>wife to help keep you on the right path. And Angel,

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<v Speaker 1>Yes she did. He's sitting at Angel. I'm crying. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's the name of your book again? I am

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Wilson. And if it's still available in bookstores, are

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<v Speaker 1>on Amazon or wherever books are sold, Yes it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've been singing, singing, singing up a storm, Yes

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<v Speaker 1>I have, and having number one records, my first, my

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<v Speaker 1>first number one record back then she told my wife

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<v Speaker 1>told me before I got actually got masts and listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get you. I'm gonna help you get back

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<v Speaker 1>to whatever you do, whatever it is you do, because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know none, no music. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's talking about. I don't know what your music is

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<v Speaker 1>because she didn't know what the music was. And but

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<v Speaker 1>she um, she got me back. We got back in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and she got me in. Then got my first house,

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<v Speaker 1>and and then the next year I bought a house

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<v Speaker 1>and and my first number one record was in two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called without you, And then the next one was

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand four, and I've been having them since

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<v Speaker 1>every every year and since then. And you have one

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<v Speaker 1>out right now that we're playing. Yes, oh wow, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's beautiful. You and Robin Thick smile for me. Beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>and and who do you think of it? Like I

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<v Speaker 1>need to ask, Oh, my gosh, my wife of course,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and and every day she's still making you

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<v Speaker 1>smile every single day of my life, every moment of

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<v Speaker 1>my life. Now, see, I need to speak with her

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<v Speaker 1>and find out if this is a two way street,

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<v Speaker 1>Like is she's still stupid in love like you are? Oh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. She keeps me. Of course, she keeps me

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<v Speaker 1>in line too. You know. It's just like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I always tease about it sometimes. Let's say, what is

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<v Speaker 1>this dictatorship or something? And does she said, Charlie, let's

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<v Speaker 1>just review where you were before I came into your life.

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<v Speaker 1>Now she don't, she don't go back there. She don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to because I look at her and say, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I already know what you're thinking and what you're gonna say.

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<v Speaker 1>And she she's like, yeah, don't you ever forget it?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you know but she's so much fun and I

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<v Speaker 1>we have such a good time every single day of

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<v Speaker 1>our life together. We go every Like I said to Lita,

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<v Speaker 1>we go everywhere together, everywhere, And I'm so so glad

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<v Speaker 1>that you're here to celebrate with us. Thank you so much, so, Charlie.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody wants to see your tour schedule, if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>wants to connect with you, if someone maybe somebody it's

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<v Speaker 1>struggling with addictions, who's listening to this right now. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>somebody said enough is enough, I want to change, and

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<v Speaker 1>they want to hear something to inspire them. How can

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<v Speaker 1>they find you. It's Charlie Wilson dot com and everything

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<v Speaker 1>everything is there. And and for those who are struggling

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<v Speaker 1>with drug addiction and our alcohol abuse or whatever, man,

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<v Speaker 1>let me tell you something. Don't ever give up on yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't ever let anybody uh distort your mind about what

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<v Speaker 1>it is that you want to do in life. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was told no so many times. I almost

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<v Speaker 1>gave up because so many, so many people saying, man,

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<v Speaker 1>he's crazy. Man, you need to go retire or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me tell you something, man, anything you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do in life, you can do it. You just

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<v Speaker 1>need to get up and go do it. Go do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and use every ounce of your energy, every ounce of

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<v Speaker 1>love you have for whatever it is, forever passion that

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<v Speaker 1>you have to pull it off, you know, and forget

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<v Speaker 1>about what other people are saying about you. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they almost turned me around. They're almost turned me around

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<v Speaker 1>because I listened to know so much, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>they almost had my management team back in the very

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<v Speaker 1>very early days. They almost turned us all around because

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<v Speaker 1>we just heard no all the time. And I felt

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<v Speaker 1>so sorry for Michael Paring back in the day. He was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he was young, very young, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>just listening to the all of the rhetoric of what

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<v Speaker 1>people used to say about me and all the Gap

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<v Speaker 1>band back in the day. And then finally he just said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm not gonna listen to anybody. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go do this thing and I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>you back. And that's exactly what he did. And so

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<v Speaker 1>here I am in the flesh, number ones all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world, strong and thinking people like Delilah, I love

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<v Speaker 1>you so much, so down