WEBVTT - Black Music Month QLS Classic: Q-Tip 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.720 Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.040 was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:13.160 What's Up, Everybody, It's Sugar Steve from Team Supreme. June 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:15.840 marks Black Music Month. We often speak about it on 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.800 Questlove Supreme and we've had some of the legends responsible 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.440 for the recognition on the show. Every day this June, 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.400 we are running a different episode from the QLs archives 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.479 to honor the tradition and the tent of Black Music Month. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.000 This week we are focusing on some of the great hip. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.040 Hop conversations in the ULS catalog. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.040 Our leader Questlove has a new book out called hip 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:39.120 Hop Is History. Check it out at questlove dot com. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.960 Today we are re releasing an interview with q Tip 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.000 of a tribe called quest whose contributions shaped the direction 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:56.360 of hip hop over the last thirty five years. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:02.880 Supremo Sun Suck, Supreme Mo, Role Call, Suprema Suck Suck, Suprema, 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:09.319 Roll Call, Suprema son Son, Supremo Roll Call, Suprema Son 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.320 Son Supremo Roller. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.680 What's love going, Ramble, Yeah, what's love going? Gampbell? 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:15.280 Yeah? 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:17.960 Q Tip not leaving it? Yeah, he tells me a 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:19.160 crookedly sip. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:25.679 Supremo, So something Supremo son sign. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.200 My name is Fante. Yeah, this is the squad. Yeah, 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:32.600 the phone is ringing. 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:43.280 Yeah, Supremo, roll call Suprema, Son Supremo roll call. 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.840 My name is Sugar, Yeah, Sugar Steve. Yeah, I am 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:53.120 so backwards. I stop and breathe Suprema. 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:59.200 Something something Supremo, roll call Supremo something so Supremo roll call. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:00.280 I'm gonna pay Bill. 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:05.160 Yeah, live in the dream. Yeah, fucking cute, Tip Man. Yeah, 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:06.720 Quest Love Supreme. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:13.080 Roll call Suprema some some Suprema roll called Suprema something 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.200 something Supremo roll call afternoon. 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:21.040 Yeah, well US fans, Yeah, this is boss Bill. Yeah, 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:22.360 Trump called question. 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:30.800 Supremo son So Supremo, roll Supreme, Son Supreme roll. 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:36.120 It's my ear. Yeah, I'm very excited. Yeah, Tip is here. 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.720 Yeah, I'm a ladies inviting O. 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:47.120 Supreme roll Suprema something Supremo roll call. 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:53.079 Yeah, what's your appraisal? Yeah, I have a cold. Yeah 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.480 my voice extra nasal ro call. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.840 Suprema so some Supreme, So. 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:10.119 Supremo, Supremo, roll Suprima Supreme. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:20.800 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another edition of Quest Love Supreme. 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:25.000 I am your host quest love. Uh we have Froan Tickeolo. 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:25.639 Yes. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:30.320 Uh man, it's a beautiful day in New York City. 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.400 It's a little cold out, Yeah, it's un dropped the 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.040 hawk then came out January. 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:36.440 What do you expect. I'm glad. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.440 I'm glad because I was worried for a minute, but 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.440 now I think winter is here in full force, really 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.640 full force anyway. 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.160 But no, no, no for a while. I mean because 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:47.960 I mean in at least in North Carolina. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.920 I mean up in like November, late November we had 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.480 a couple of seventy degree days, so New York. 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.320 I'm good, You're right. 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.800 I mean December was cold as shit. I remember one 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.160 particularly December it was like really really cool. But in 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.560 January it's even colder. Yeah, I'm glad. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.680 I'm glad winters here to you know, get the get 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.600 my get my body right. You know what I'm saying. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.440 I'm about forty pounds in the stomach virus away from 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:12.119 my ideal weight. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:20.480 So I'm working on it. So that stomach virus is 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:22.240 gonna get you through. That's that's gona give me. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.240 It's gonna give me to my to I'm in my 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.280 jurrial avert stage right now, that stomach virus gonna get 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:28.279 me to my Anthony Anderson. 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.440 There's always like smooth moved tea or something. No, man, 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.480 that's just cameras. No really, the stomach virus. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.880 Oh yeah, stomach virus will take you. It'll get you 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.479 some yogurt. How will you get the stomach I don't 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:43.400 know how I'll get it. 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.000 I got that is, I got kids. 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.080 I'm about to get front cutis just hold on a minute, 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.080 just like it could be within the next five minutes. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.640 You guys are basically saying that you will hope that 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.040 your kids get you sick so that you lose some weight. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:57.880 Well, no, that's him. 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.479 I necessarily hope it has depends. But if it did happen, 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:06.520 I can't say that would be mad about it. It 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:07.640 would help me get over. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.000 This like the holiday, the extra holiday weight and all 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:10.279 of that. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.039 And just you know, just stress weight. Smooth move tea 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.200 at least takes out like seven to ten pounds. 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.320 Of some of that home two boxes. 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:19.560 Nah, I don't I know. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.479 I don't do the detox tease, I don't do that plan. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.560 Yeah, I just you know, cut back, virus, lift and 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.720 get a stomach virus, you know what I mean, A little, 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.920 a little not ro virus is just a man get 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:33.120 those abs right for the spring. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:34.840 I got the stomach virus a couple years ago, drop 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:36.560 like fifteen pounds and then didn't come back. 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.919 Oh my god, fifteen pounds. I'm glad you alive. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.320 I think I think didn't. Wasn't this a thing like 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.680 in the twenties or something where they would give no, 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.000 like tapeworms, Like well, people would get bled do tapeworms 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.640 for people go to Brazil right now for that, Like. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.600 And just what are you seriously? Yeah, dead ass. It 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.760 was just like people would do it. Tapeworms would do 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:57.440 stuff to like not the. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.000 Cool skult, not the hot burning the light bulb. It's 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.360 like five different. It's a lot of Yeah, no, it's 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.920 a lot of ways to lose Beyonce lemonade. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.160 Yeah, other than eat right in and breakout, because no 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:08.880 one wants to do that. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:14.040 Yeah yeah, yeah, the waist trainers just gonna have all 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.440 these people fucked up. Nah, we don't do none of that. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.280 Why we want to do that? We could just you know, 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.400 we don't want to work out to eat right. So yeah, 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.080 if I get the summer virus and you know, stay 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.040 in the gym. Hopefully by springtime I'll be on my 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:26.200 Blackish Anthony Anderson. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:27.600 I'm life Anthony Anderson right. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.960 Now, but hopefully i'll be I'll be Blackish Anthony Andersen 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:31.360 by Uh. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:33.320 I hope to meet you there, bro. 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.720 Yeah, okay, so you I've been abstaining this, this has 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.160 been this has been the period of abstinence. 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.280 Okay, I'm doing it's I've made it through. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:44.560 Uh. 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.560 I made it through the at least what I call 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:51.440 the the underground tunnel, which was the first fifteen days 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:59.000 of avoiding sugar, avoiding flour, bread, gluten, fried foods. 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:04.800 Are you angry, don't? I don't know, just one day? Yeah, 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:06.520 you know what? 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:06.960 You know what? 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.200 You know what the stepback to all that is. 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:17.000 I've been snapping at more people than normal withdrawal like clear. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.000 I don't know if it's a clear mind or just 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:24.440 what it is, but yeah, I've been like I feel 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.480 like my boxing gloves might be in my future, like 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:28.080 I could. 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.920 Are you past the cravings phase? Are you still craving? 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:37.160 I was dreaming heavily of food, Like, you know that's 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:41.800 bad when you're just you know, dreaming of a pound cake? 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:44.960 Were you dreaming of it or were you dreaming of 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:45.400 eating it? 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.080 I was just dreaming of it. Like you know that 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.360 that intimate's cake that dad used to. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.720 My dad was the kind of dude that would measure 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.120 like what the family wouldn't take, Like he have the 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.760 sharpie mark on the lemonade bottle and the tea bottle 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.560 and the fruit punch bottle and everything, and how much 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.800 intimated cake was was consumed before he got to it. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.720 So yeah, that's that's as some real black daddy shit. 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.880 That's real though. There I'm with you on that. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:14.880 You don't measure your shit? 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.600 Nah, I don't, I mean most of the time because 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.840 for me with sweets, I particularly buy them in very 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.400 small quantities. And our whole thing with sweets is like 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.280 if I buy it, we gotta kill it today. So 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.360 I let my kids go in, Like if I buy 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.080 like cupcakes or whatever, it's like, all right, we're gonna 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.160 go in today, and then that's it, because if you 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:35.640 keep it around and you eat it day after day 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:36.880 after day, then that's how. 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.920 You, you know, set the bad pressure exactly. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:43.439 If you just going one day maybe maybe once twice 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:44.839 a month, maybe you know what I mean. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.720 So even when you were on tour, now forget your kids, 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.640 your bandmates. Some of the worst roots band fights ever 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.760 over food. Oh in the name of food brouh. Yeah, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:59.520 like we would. I remember, I guess the period where 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.680 we just covered almond milk instead of soy milk. Vanilla 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.360 almond milk was just as good on your cereal than 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:10.079 soy milk was. And I remember, shit was about to 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.000 be set off because it was like I put my 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.520 name on the milk. I guess I didn't realize that 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.679 it was either Hubb or Camal, like they put their 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.839 name on the milk, thus they were claiming it. So 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.040 not realizing this, we kind of killed the milk and 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:29.920 you know, and shit almost got set off on the tour. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.840 Phostle, Yeah, it was. It was fade. It was almost 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.200 fade time. So you know that's the. 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.120 Tours would be because particularly if you were on the 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.120 bus and like you've been driving through the middle of 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.880 nowhere and you've been thinking about food. Yeah, you've been 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:45.400 in your bunk and you get up in the middle 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.160 of the night and go to the bunk, go to 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:48.080 the refrigerating. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:48.880 That shit ain't there. 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:54.400 You're basically describing Chicago to Denver. For for most for 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.320 more touring acts, I mean, if you're a pop act 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.240 or you're a country act, there's some stops in between 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.360 Chicago and Denver that you can do. But for most 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:08.920 urban acts, especially if you're under the tuolage of Carol Lewis, 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:13.920 like the first question she proposes to you is where 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.600 do you want to stop start? Now, logic, she always 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:22.040 suggests that your hometown should be the last stop on 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.200 the tour because of all the things that you've acquired 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.520 on that tour, you know your home can be your 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.839 last stop. So all the cereal that's on your rider, 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.360 all of the records that you went shopping with, all 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.920 the closes, the sneakers, right, you don't have to ship 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.280 them home from like Mexico, you can. You know, you're 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:46.760 already in your hometown. So you normally start off on 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.719 the opposite So normally we would start tours like in 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:55.959 Vancouver and then go counterclockwise Seattle, Portland, San Franco and 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:57.680 down and then eas. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.800 Your way back to the East coast. 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:04.680 But yeah, with with the touring dynamic, there's a whole 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:11.640 being considerate of food factor that not many people getting 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.640 I suspect that that's probably one of the prime reasons 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.920 why they're more solo accident group accidents. 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.400 Oh man, I can believe it. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:22.920 I mean I tell people all the time, if you 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.280 ever want to get to really know a person, live 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.160 with them or tour with them, like, because you can't hide, 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:32.800 like whatever your vices are, whatever the fuck shit you 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:34.600 got with you, if you it's gonna come out. 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.280 It's gonna come come out and watch. Oh my god. 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.560 You can't hide, bro, you can't hide. So yeah, if 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.400 tour was not enjoyable at all, request. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.320 Of I think it's important you know that it's inspirational 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.160 and you're doing so much. I can't tell you how 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.600 many times I've seen your like social posts and I've 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.360 been like, I'm gonna eat some will now he's holding out. 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:54.440 I don't need this cookie. 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.280 So yeah, I keep going. It's it's it's it's hard. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:59.880 I mean, look at it. It's like more for me. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.360 But you're naturally like a thing god bass Bill. 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.840 So yeah, I don't think you either you're a starving 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.160 artist or you just don't overeat. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:15.559 But then you talk about like checkers, I have the 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.280 worst diet world. I have a Steve diet. One has Steve. 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.719 You really want to lose weight, I'll tell you how. 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:27.080 I lost thirty pounds weed, cigarettes and coffee diabetes. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.680 That's when I lost thirty pounds. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.200 But for real, you you're right for those Checkers, huh. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.600 I mean if it's late at night and nothing else 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:37.679 is open, I mean, what am I going to do 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:39.800 as the Checkers in the city. There's lots of them 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:40.200 in the city. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:41.680 What is Checkers? 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:43.560 Checkers is fast food. It's fast food. 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.560 It's burgers, fries, and cola. 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:46.080 It's like. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:47.920 That. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.240 There is I feel like in most most college town 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.400 there's a Checkers. The only one I know of is 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:54.439 in d C. 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.920 There's one next to that days in On New York, 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.840 A New York I have, yep, do you know about 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:01.559 that days in Wow? 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.599 Now, I know I know what you're talking about, but 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.839 I don't know what's the specific significance of that. Oh no, 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:13.000 it's just shot no. Yeah, But it's just that when 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.000 you're in Verry Hotel, I feel like you're no, no, no. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:17.120 When you're touring. 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:24.079 For some reason, promoters will put their artists in that 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:28.719 particular days in On On, New York Avenue next to 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:32.600 the twenty four hour Checkers. Like when we were first touring. 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.040 I think the first time we met Old Dirty Bastard, 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:43.640 he had just mastered returned to the thirty six and 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.600 they gave us. Someone from Electric gave us a copy 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.520 of that CD, like at that hotel. But now I've 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.120 seen a lot of crazy shit go down there, like 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.400 with a lot of nineteen ninety four ninety five era 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.959 hip hop acts. Man, who's the girl that's singh think 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:05.520 five A on the corner right, someone in her crew. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.280 I don't know how they ram their car inside of 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:11.120 the room. 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:17.160 But they did so. Thus, uh, it was like, yeah, 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.320 a lot of crazy function done went down. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:25.360 But you know, speaking speaking of the group Dynamic, today's 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:31.320 a special episode of Questlove Supreme, and the reason being 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.280 is that our guest today is one of the most 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.200 beloved members of one of the favorite groups of not 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.280 even hip hop history. I guess we have to take 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:47.360 him out of ye hip hop. Yeah, I think they've 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.520 just become the group Dynamic. But ladies and gentlemen give 0:14:50.560 --> 0:15:06.680 it up for a Q tip. All right, So, brother Kamar, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:12.760 is it before we get started? Yeah, you're gonna tell 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:14.760 me what is that damn sample? 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.040 No no, no, no, no, don't get for twenty years, 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.760 twenty years, but I don't remember. I don't really don't. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.560 Sampling don't matter no more. You can reveal I know 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:26.280 it doesn't. 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.920 I'm not being like that. I totally would reveal it. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.080 Like I really don't remember. I know it's like an 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:37.320 e CM joint. I know that for sure. To check Steve. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:43.400 Swallow one of those random like library record things. No no, no, yeah, 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.160 so it might be Keith Jared. 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.400 It could be you know, well, it's not definitely not that. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:52.160 Let me see. Oh I'm feeling like it's Steve Swallow. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.160 So Paul us a guitar player that pauls. 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:56.000 Can we talk about that. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.200 You paused itself? I don't know, but I just just 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:01.520 it's Ho's fault. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.320 I think pause is Ho's biggest contribution to hip hop. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.920 Well it sucks, okay, I agree, I agree more pause 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:10.120 but I can't. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:11.760 But but I don't know. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:13.000 I can't remember. 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:14.800 Man, can't you like Shazama? 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:15.280 Sample? 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.520 And uh, it doesn't play long enough if it weren't, 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:24.560 if it were you know, isolated, if it were isolated. 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.520 The minute it here is like a vocals then it 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:28.800 tunes into the whole. 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.600 I've heard everything. I heard it was red Halt. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.520 I heard it was It's definitely not that. It's definitely 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.560 putting you in the right or the right terrain there. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:44.360 It's definitely some em ship. Damn when I find it. 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:48.360 I promise you if you saw the album cover, would 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.840 you know what? I wouldn't. I'd have to listen to it. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.080 Man, do you remember the day you made it? Or 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.280 was it just like I made it there in the studio. 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.560 This is one of those like mindless five minutes. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.280 Yeah, I just went from I just came from record 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:07.960 shopping and I went to Ed's studio, which is which 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.320 was called Dollar Cab Lab in Flatbush, Wait. 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.800 Special had a studio called Dollar Dollar Cabs. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:19.800 Yeah yeah, so what what yeah? 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:20.640 Yeah? 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.399 What was that? Seriously? Yeah he talked about it in 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.560 a source like I mean back then, I remember that. 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.280 Yeah, Dollar Cab Lab, that's where we did it at 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:30.680 What did you? 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.840 Was you on the sp sp that that was there? 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.560 And I had to I had to break out, so 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.080 I just like do this ship on him like five minutes, 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.800 literally like five ten minutes. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.800 Pete Rock explained to us that he procrastinated on the 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:51.280 Shut Him Down remix so last minute that even when 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.080 he was like, yeah, yeah, I'm twenty minutes away, he 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.399 just like grabbed anything and just hear it. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:57.400 Yeah. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.720 Now I'm realizing that some of the best beats in 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:05.800 hip hop were just mindless and overthinking. Just time to 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:06.320 overthink it. 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:12.840 Well, okay, so, of course the more help I'm gonna find, I. 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.800 Mean, you know so much because he put it in 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.680 the damn the damn thing, the intro song. So I 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.359 feel really bad that the world. 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:24.399 Yes, like, there's there's certain samples that I can't find that. 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:28.040 Ship I got everything, Okay, great, you can work to do. 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:32.600 All right, we will find it. So coffee, Well wait, 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.119 do you know that the sky sample? 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:38.280 Of course that's Eric Dolphie. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:44.359 That's off the same record that the Jazz is the Prison. No, 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:45.280 well that is. 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.920 That is not Grant Green. 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.960 That was yeah, Grant Green was the Jazza I'm thinking, so. 0:18:56.080 --> 0:19:00.639 Yes, skypage is Eric Dolphie out to lunch you Jesus? 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:07.680 All right, all right, finally something that's how even the 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:14.520 baseline too? Yeah, all right, all right, forgive me ladies 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.960 and gentlemen like I normally I go through the chronological 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.520 order of a person's life. But no, no, this this 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:26.879 is a burden in hand to the first moment. All right, 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.679 So tip, sir, I know you're tired of answer these 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.600 questions and we've known it before, but all right, So 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:38.320 the name of the high school that you guys, Mary Bertram? Yeah, 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.240 what I hear so much about this school? Was it 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.200 a business school? Was it a trade school? 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:44.600 It was a business school. 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.120 So you aspired it, like when you were in first grade, 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:49.679 You're like, yo, I want to go to Mary Bertram 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:50.200 to learn. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:57.600 No, no, actually, uh what happened was my sister was 0:19:57.680 --> 0:19:58.160 older than. 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.240 Me, just medical you did. I met her for the 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.760 first time at thirty Rocks Yeah, oh yeah. 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:09.879 Yeah yeah. So she's like super duper brain girl, right 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.800 and uh she took the SAT which is standard chest 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:16.199 back in the day, I'm pretty sure. 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:16.960 So they still do that. 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:22.199 They still do that. Y. So she got like one 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.399 of the top scores in the city and she got 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:30.240 accepted to Stuyvesant, which is like the top top high school, 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:31.600 like specialized high school. 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:31.840 Whatever. 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.560 So my dad wouldn't let it go. My dad was 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.359 Trance was working for TRANCEY was a token booth clerk 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.240 transit and during the time, you know, there was a 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:46.800 rash incidents where girls were getting pushed off the platform. 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:48.600 So my dad was like old school. 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.440 He was like, you're not going to no Manhutdan. 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.480 We were living in Queens, so I was like wanting 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:54.760 to be like my sister. I'm going to take the 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.080 test too. I want to go to Stuyvesant too. So 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.920 of course I didn't make it. Got accepted though to 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:04.760 Brooklyn Text. I went to their orientation and it was 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.000 just like all the Decepticon dudes, which was a New 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.080 York gang back then. I was just like, okay, I'm 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:12.879 not going. Yeah, I'm definitely not going to my zone school. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.959 So my average was cool, good enough, and I had 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:20.280 some recommendations that I got accepted to Bertram which was 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.720 a business school. It was like a specialized school. 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.440 And there was safe. 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.040 No, it was not safe. That's why I was getting 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.440 the hell out of there. Okay, you know what I'm saying, 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:35.080 because my zone schools out there. It was like it 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:39.320 was crazy. I probably would not be sitting here and yeah, 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:44.399 it was that bad. But so I would hour and 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:48.000 a half two hours every morning the school to Mary 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:51.920 Berkram High School, which was ironically enough in that time, 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:56.560 it was right across the street from police headquarters. So 0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.800 but it was they would still make trouble, would still 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:05.920 managed to find himself and regardless of the proximity of that. 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.680 But yeah, it was a great time, man, it was 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:13.280 a great time. I remember, you know, before we started 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:21.280 freshman freshman freshman year, we had the opportunity to go 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:25.960 to do an early orientation, so I went a little 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:28.359 bit earlier in August and ship and the first person 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.080 I met was brother J because he went to our 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:31.240 school too, from X clan. 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:36.760 Brother J. That was brother Brother J is the rapper. 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:42.040 He always talk like this. They always they were like 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:44.960 forty years old. In my head. They were just like 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:46.960 the old guy like I don't know why I thought 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:48.359 the man's old guys and not. 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:52.920 Like nice J never lost it. J still got it nice. 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.480 His voice just crass, you know what I'm saying. So 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:01.800 he was the first dude I met at Ali, and 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:06.920 then as the school year went on, I eventually met Africa. 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:07.120 And all them. 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:15.040 Yeah, Kiarana always jokes that Ali and Mad Yes, but 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:19.879 she always jokes that Ali always had the Gucci clutch, yeah, 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:25.320 like but she called she called it the fixed briefcase 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.080 because what was in that bag, like he just wanted. 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:30.399 Now it was a clutch. He he had a burner 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:34.360 in there. You had like a you know really yeah 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:38.200 alas say Mohammed, Yeah from bed stye do or die? 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:39.240 Okay, I'm sorry. 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:41.000 I mean that's how I was back then. 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.040 I always say, your mom is like the fourteenth disciple 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:45.440 that wasn't mentioned. 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:54.760 Like angeloises and like, okay, you know he used to 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:59.480 carry all sorts of stuff in there. But I hope 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:04.440 I did not out Ali, but uh yeah. School was 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:05.840 was fun though. Man. 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:06.480 It was just like. 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:09.399 I don't know how it was for you guys, but 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:13.240 back then, like that was for us. That was like 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:16.680 our kind of coming of age thing. 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:16.960 It was. 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:19.159 It was a it was a true place, especially for 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:23.399 me just geographically being that far away from home. It 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:27.200 was a place that I could really uh at you 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:31.040 out you know what I wanted to do or who 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:32.760 I wanted to be. Yeah, you know what I'm saying 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.720 because I went to school for computer science because I 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:39.320 wanted to just like be a program designer. 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:41.639 Did you make some like lifelong friends too? 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:45.919 You start? Oh yeah, man, it's like, that's everything. 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:49.200 You're probably one of the figures, one of the few 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:56.920 figures from the Renaissance hip hop period that doesn't have 0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.520 a I dropped out a school narrative. It's like, yeah, 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:04.880 pretty much eighty of all of our hip hop favorites 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.600 have a story that leads to and I just dropped 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:10.040 out of high school and went straight to that. 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:13.960 School post and those guys. 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:15.200 Yeah, I'm just saying that. 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:17.320 Well, Mace I think dropped out. 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:21.720 Okay, I see, Mace may have dropped out, But it's 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:22.480 just weird. 0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:27.000 It's rare that you hear of make, you know, liking 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.680 high school when you know, I actually enjoyed this experience 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.720 because for most people, I mean, high school's none but 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:38.520 a precursor to prison for some for some you know, So, 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:42.399 how did I mean obviously you, you and five were 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.600 childhood friends, and you and Ali were high school friends. 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:49.920 Like how did well, how did Jerobi enter the picture? 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.480 And how did the twain meet? Like, how did you guys? 0:25:53.119 --> 0:26:00.960 Jerobi was he lived on five? Uh, his mom his 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:04.359 mom's crib was like on my side of the tracks, 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:11.440 you know, so track thing so and his grandparents' house 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:16.160 was on the other side of the tracks and when 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.119 he would go to the other side of the tracks, 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:21.920 that's what Jerobi. That's where he met Jerobi. Okay, so 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:24.840 that was like around twelve thirteen. So I knew Jerobi 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:29.960 when he was probably like twelve eleven. That's when I 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:30.959 first met him. 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:36.520 Yeah, okay, So at this point, even though you're going 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:40.280 for like in high school, was it just like okay, 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:42.760 we're just fans of music. 0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:48.359 But you know, there were no grand designs to start 0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:50.040 a band or become. 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:55.800 Yeah, there was. I mean we were pretty we were 0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:57.440 pretty resolute and what we wanted to do. 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:00.399 By what point, like ten eleven? 0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:04.840 Wha. I mean I've said before another interviews. You know, 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:09.399 Fife put the bug in me. We was like nine. Wow, 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.159 you know what I'm saying. We were eleven twelve like 0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:16.560 just wrap. I mean we were goofing, but was definitely 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:20.200 rapping and definitely like you know how I don't know 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.119 if other kids would do this, but you know you 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.119 have your pad and you right out what the name 0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:25.520 of the group was, who was in it? 0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:28.920 Oh yeah, you always you remember that used to draw 0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:33.640 album covers? Yeah, yeah, brother, we did the exact same 0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:34.320 thing right right. 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:38.159 The watch yeah, yeah, the whole ship. Like we did 0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:42.960 a little I remember one time we did we did 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:49.000 this demo. Uh okay, this is freshman year. No, it 0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:50.880 was tenth grade. It was tenth grade. So we were 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:55.600 like fifteen. So Jerobi was going to tech, Fife was 0:27:55.640 --> 0:28:00.560 going to Springfield in Queens and me and Ali was 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:02.639 in Birch or whatever. So on the weekends, you know, 0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.720 our hostel a little bit, and for my money, I 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.879 would like scrape up and I would I looked literally 0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:14.560 in the Yellow Pages for like a rehearsal studio. So 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.000 I found this one in the city on Fourteenth Street 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:21.440 called Giant Rehearsal Studios. Saved up the money and every 0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:25.880 weekend we'd go there and Ali would bring his four 0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:30.160 track that belonged to Uncle Mike, and Uncle Mike used 0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:34.800 to work at Columbia and stuff. So we'd go there 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:40.680 and we would record like our little routines. So my 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:49.920 sister was dating Skeef Hanslom and Skef and Jazzy used 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:53.720 to come by the house like see my sister or whatever. 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:57.040 Jazzy j So I was like, damn want to be 0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:00.120 a sulation. Oh my gosh, you know, and I know 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:03.400 it was just like we would be in there working, 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:08.080 work and work and working, and we had like this horrible, 0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.680 these little fucking, wretched, little fucking songs that we worked on. 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:18.760 And everybody, what was the loop? What did you payback? 0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.959 And we had and we had a drummer his name 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.680 was Anton shouts out to a boogie. It's the o 0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:28.520 G a boogie from the brooks. 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:29.520 Uh. 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:33.200 He was because he was he was drumming in school whatever. 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.080 So I was like, yo, so you're gonna play the 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:39.120 beat over this and it was called a routine routine. 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:49.400 And he has your rugby with that beato, so y'all 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:54.120 just rhyme over the back. Yes, it was pretty bad. 0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:58.840 And Jazzy and Scheff, through my assistance and bucking my 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:02.600 sister day came one Saturday. They looked like they were hungover, 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:06.320 like they had they I don't know, maybe Halem World 0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:10.480 or something was the night before and they came by 0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.520 and listened to it, and Jazz he was like, Yo, 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:15.680 that shit was kind of whack. 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:15.920 Y'all. 0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:21.360 Gotta keep working on that ship, wow, really keep working. 0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.240 Like he saw something, he heard something. 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.720 I hope. So, oh, maybe he was just being nice, 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:28.600 because you know, we wanted up bang one of my 0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:34.160 sister's friends. But that was kind of like but we 0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:38.080 weren't discouraged by it. We just okay, like we were 0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:42.440 some really industrious little bastards man, so we kind of 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.040 like had an idea To answer your question, So was 0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:51.960 this eighty six, eighty eighty? This is eighty five eighty five? Yeah, wait, 0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:55.320 eighty five, eighty six? Yeah, it was probably like eighty 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:56.040 six eighty six. 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:57.480 It had to be in eighty six, So I was like, 0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:00.360 even the idea of rhyming over a record, is that 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:02.040 even the idea back in eighty five? 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.320 Like well, and by eighty six samples were like, yeah, 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.160 that was that was all you had. I think you 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:08.440 had that if you didn't have a drum machine. 0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.040 I mean I remember, I mean look, so what year 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.520 was the biz Dance? 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:19.160 Eighty eighty six, seven, eighty six, a little bit more. 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.560 Yeah, it was like sund. 0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:25.360 Okay, So. 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:31.120 What was the first step to seriousness as in, I'm 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:32.720 gonna save up and get this drum machine? 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:37.200 Or because what I didn't know? 0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:43.040 I only found that recently that you guys actually were 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:44.800 thinking about signing to Geffen. 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.640 Yeah, back in eighty nine, I read Yeah, I forgot 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:49.280 where I read that. 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:58.080 But because Jeff Fenster gave us, well, Glenn Freeman was 0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:02.520 really the orange pin to the whole things. So, you know, 0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.240 I had worked with Jungle. You know, we were in 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.480 high school and they were finishing up the album. 0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:12.080 So they were the Jungle Brothers in her high school. 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:15.680 I mean Jim Brownski Era was in high school. So 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:18.080 while they were in the high school Jim Brownski's album, 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:20.360 what was like like for them to. 0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:24.920 Crazy because even for us, like in Philly, like it 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:25.880 must have been crazy. 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.280 Yeah, So I can imagine in high school, high school 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:30.200 having a record out the Jungle Bros. 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:32.240 Yeah, yeah, that was kind of ill. 0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:32.560 It was. 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.320 It was wild because we were finishing up the album 0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.720 while I believe we were in twelfth grade. 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:45.280 And finishing up the debut album for people. So wow, no, no, no. 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.840 Finishing up of Jungle, gotcha. So you know I did 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.440 some ship on it. I did uh promo, well, I 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:54.560 did promo that was eleventh grade, and. 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:58.320 Then Time and then Time yeah, and then promo two. 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.440 Yeah, in Time that was for the album and Black 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:06.760 as Black did that and I the first record I 0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.120 ever mixed was straight out the Jungle, So it was 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:14.320 me and Red Alert and Tony D and Mike. We 0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:16.560 actually mixed that record. That was the first time and 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:20.760 I remember yeah and Red and Red was like, so 0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:24.120 this is what you do, tip, So these are the faders, 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:28.280 so I already equed it. We got it sounded right. 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.520 So before we're gonna do a couple of takes, and 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.760 I want you to ride this up and then when 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.640 we hit this, I need you to ride the next 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:42.000 fader up, but don't bring it to don't bring it 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:43.680 past this point. They had the tape on it. Don't 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.200 bring it past this point. And then after that, I'm 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.880 gonna let you do one with If you want to 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.200 do a different one, then you just do it different. 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.680 But for the first couple, like Red was just like 0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:54.240 Red Alert. 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.400 You the automated system, Well it was. 0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:00.520 It was I never did it before, right, you know 0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:02.560 what I'm saying. Mike had did him and Aff were 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:05.160 doing by himself. That was like my first time actually 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.320 mixing a joint, you know what I'm saying. I was crazy, 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:13.759 like intimidated, but excited about it because I felt like, wow, 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:15.360 this is fucking Red Alert. 0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:17.920 And in high school at high school, so he was 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:21.040 of legend status o man, he was. 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:25.960 I was just telling my assistant as we were talking about, 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:29.200 you know the history of this studio. Like right across 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.840 the street was Latin Quarter. There's a parking lot on 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:36.680 forty eighth Street. That's what Latin Quarter was. He's wearing 0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:39.280 Old Quad City, right, yeah, Old Quad Studios. 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:42.759 I call this Tupac Central. Yeah really, so right. 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:45.200 Across the street was Latin Quarter and that was where 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.760 Red was. Like he bought the whole Harlem and Bronx 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.600 ship to Midtown and he was ruling ship like that 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.520 was I mean, even Magic and Molly and them was 0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.480 like on the radio, they was the Dawn. Tan's the 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:02.360 thing that kind of took to me, in my just 0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.040 opinion that had read elevated is because he had a 0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.759 place to play. Literally after he went, after he was 0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.840 on the radio, everybody would flock to the quarters or 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:11.560 go to the square. 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:12.399 So that was up the block. 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:17.360 So Red was, Yes, he was supreme status, Like you 0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:21.480 will go to the Latin Quarter yeah, hell yeah, I have, 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:24.280 I got I got a lot of Latin Quarta stories. 0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:24.520 Yeah. 0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:27.839 I was going to say everyone that's I've been trying 0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:31.560 to get the definitive Latin Quarter story out of people, right. 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:35.280 And but the thing that amazes me the most about 0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.440 the legend of the Latin Quarter, right is the fact. 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:44.200 That you go there knowing that someone's going to know. 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:49.799 Well, I mean that was his old joint Latin Quarter, 0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:52.680 so he transformed into something different. 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:55.360 Yeah, you really know about it that we don't know. 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:59.560 But no, no, I'm just saying that like our Latin Quarter, 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.520 and Philly was a place called After Midnight, of which 0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:06.960 my parents were like, hell, no, people get shot there. 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.800 No, you ain't going. But everyone that has done this 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.200 show has a Latin Quarter story. 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:14.640 Was Whose house was it? 0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:15.040 Though? 0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:17.719 Was that like a schooly d? Yeah, I mean it. 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:20.440 It was. The The reason why. 0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.720 The reason why After Midnight was so special was because 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:29.400 at the point where MSG stopped hosting hip hop after 0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:33.680 the death all that stuff, the closest you could get. 0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:36.879 You couldn't even get to the spectrum. Sometimes you could, 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:41.399 but like the East Coast Mecca least and Chuck The's 0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:43.880 Eyes was like always After Midnight, Lady B hosted that. 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:50.319 Yeah exactly, But it's just that people don't talk about 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:50.759 her enough. 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:57.719 But every but every person that talks on the show 0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:02.120 about Latin Quarter they I guess the rewards of hearing 0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:11.160 hip hop far outweighed the risk of getting shot or 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.840 getting your chain taken or it was exciting. 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:17.000 No, you know what I'm saying, Like, well you went 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:18.600 with Red, obviously correct. 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.880 Violators. We'd be carrying carrying his records. The first time 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.719 I met Chris Slider, who was carrying Red's records. So 0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:30.840 later I became you know, after I was became the 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:34.480 dude whould always carry REDS records. Yeah, well it was 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:37.040 Chris and he would do that for a while. Then 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:40.279 as Jungle started popping, I was still around, So then 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:43.640 I eventually became REDS Record. 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:45.640 But it wasn't like you had to wait outside for 0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:48.400 an hour to get in an I would meet up 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:49.840 with a f And. 0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:53.160 The first time I went to the Last quarters, right, 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:57.360 there was a sabarro across the streets, pizza. There was 0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:08.520 probably the scene. Yeah, right, thinking about that, so. 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:16.239 Exactly. 0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:20.080 So we're on the corner, so it's hot. It's like 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.080 must have been one hundred degrees that day. So we're 0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:26.279 out there, right, it's like twelve thirty. So AF and 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:28.200 I standing in the corner and he was like, yeah, 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:31.239 I'm waiting for my man on Greg. He said about 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:35.120 Greg Nice. He's like, Now, at the time, Greg Nice 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:38.080 was the beat box for Empcy Search and they were 0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:41.479 on Select. And at first I see they've come around 0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:44.879 the corner. Search has this crazy high top and he's 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:48.000 eating watermelon from you know those you know when you 0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:50.000 go to the delis and you go to the fruit bars, 0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:53.920 and he got the watermelon. He's like and was like, Yo, 0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:57.640 this nigger crazy Yota, this is Search. 0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:58.239 This is Greg. 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:00.480 Greg was like what what up? He's like up, He's 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:03.719 like this Search. We're all kids, you know what I'm saying. 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:06.239 And Searches they're like yo, what up? 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:06.840 Homeboy? 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:13.399 And the water bellon juices. I'm like, this dude is wow. 0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.640 I didn't know see ship. Then d Nice comes up. 0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:20.160 He had his BDP ship on it whatever, his little 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:22.480 letther BDP Dapper Dan Joint. 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:26.399 He's like, ah, was like a Derek. He's like, yoah, 0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:26.680 what up? 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:28.200 What up y'all. He's like, yeah, it's cute. 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:28.399 Tip. 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:29.080 He's like, what up? 0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:35.399 Slight pause, yes if d Nice who okay, I'm sorry 0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:38.799 my fault. D Nice is team right alert, Yeah, I'm 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:43.400 getting my yeah right right. It's I'm thinking wait, d 0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:45.640 Nice is not supposed to be there. That's the wrong territory, 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:47.440 you know what. 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:50.120 You like that really because all of the juice crews, 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:52.480 I mean, it wasn't really like that was more of 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:55.719 an instigation of magics. They always kind of. 0:39:55.800 --> 0:40:00.960 Like around when okay took so so. 0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:05.719 D k and A was like, Okay, we're gonna go in, 0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:07.800 and Derek was like, now I'm about to meet Caine 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:11.920 and I was just like, I just straightened up his 0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:15.640 shit because you know, Caine is Caine at the moment, 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:19.200 he's tears shit up and he It was just off 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:23.520 of just rhyming with Biz and then you would always 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:26.240 hear about this dude Caine, like in the streets whatever, 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:32.080 in the circles. So we go across the street on 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.080 the side of the block where Latin Quarter was. We 0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.759 leave the to borrow All you can eat station and 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:41.279 we go to the that'side and then about fifteen minutes later, 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:45.399 you know, we smoking whatever. Fifteen minutes later, Limo pulls 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:48.520 up and his cane and he's in a limo and 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:50.799 he's like, what up, Derek, what up? 0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:51.080 Y'all? 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.120 Everybody's like, yo, what up? Whatever. We're just like standing 0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:54.600 back and he was like, yeah, yeah, so play me 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:58.680 that joint and sudden he was like his man, I 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.400 guess was sitting on it was a super stretch, so 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:05.560 I guess the uh the tape player was towards the partition, 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:11.360 towards the front. So his man presses play and it's raw. Wow, 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:19.440 it's it's rushing out of the fucking window and it's 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.560 just everything just got just at that moment, like how 0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:24.360 we just had just the second how everything kind of 0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:26.400 got still was like that for like four minutes. It 0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:31.160 just got still. So you heard pre raw like yes, 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:33.719 and and Derek was like as soon as it came on, 0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:36.360 shouts out to d that's my brother. He was like, 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:39.279 oh yeah, it has to beat the sandy and the 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:44.080 mused talking about I'll take your man and so okay, okay, 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:46.680 he has said that, and k was like, yeah, but 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:51.200 it ain't this ship and it was that that ship rocked. 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:51.799 Yo. 0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:55.640 I was I couldn't think of nothing else like and 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.040 then he just drove ae, I got the show whatever, 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:03.399 and he just drove off in the night. He met 0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:06.719 him there to play him raw and that was just 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:09.160 that was one of my Latin quarter moment. 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:17.479 Sorry, No, that's exactly that was a Q tip exclusive. Wow. 0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:21.239 So wow, okay, that was that was a happy, a 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:33.719 great you know, makes it nobody moment. Waiting, I was like, 0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:35.719 oh man, he please don't live it say he said, 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:36.400 nigga please. 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:47.239 All right, if you're just joining us, we're chatting with 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:51.720 the rapper, actor, producer DJ member of a legendary hip hop. 0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:53.600 Group a tripholl Quest Q Tip. 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.040 The group released their critically claimed sixth studio album, We 0:42:57.160 --> 0:42:59.480 Got It from Here, Thank You for Your Service in 0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:01.080 November of twenty sixteen. 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:04.680 Have you guys ever performed at the Latin Quarter? No, 0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:05.640 we didn't know. 0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:09.560 Okay, okay, I saw a lot of performances there, though, what. 0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:10.960 Did you see? I know you saw like a lot 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:13.000 of first I saw well, I. 0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:20.799 Saw mc light uh cram to understand you. And then 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:22.400 when she got off stage, I tried to kick it 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:23.960 to her and she was kind of happening and we 0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:34.480 went on a date ship. Yeah, okay, that's what's up. 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:35.360 You got that? 0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:39.440 No, but that but that was it was. 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:41.239 It was it was early. I mean, you know, it 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.880 was like Crean and said she was That was the 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.480 first one of the first that I saw audio to 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:55.480 do before they did that. I like cherries. So was 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:56.719 it grape sauce hour? 0:43:58.880 --> 0:43:59.080 Yeah? 0:43:59.160 --> 0:43:59.359 Yeah? 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:02.920 Wait a minute, wow? Did that fly over with y'all? Though? 0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:07.840 Was there a little bit of have you seen. 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:14.600 A legendary act perform at the Latin Quarter that didn't 0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.719 have their sit together at that moment? I mean, I've 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:21.040 heard conflicting reports of public enemies first time. 0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:23.920 Yeah, I didn't see that night. I didn't see that night, 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:24.920 but I heard that that that. 0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:28.360 Was about Chuck's on the mission. 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.800 He said that was it didn't go well and he 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:35.359 said it was actually Melly Mail in the back was like, yeah, 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:36.279 he's like Mail had. 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.960 Like the big deb yo. These niggas as wax yol. 0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:46.000 It was ill because you yo mail is. 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:51.120 I mean, we all know right right it's not Rushmore architect, 0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:56.160 But at that time it was like a generation. 0:44:57.680 --> 0:44:59.040 The old guy in the back and it was but 0:44:59.160 --> 0:44:59.560 it wasn't that. 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.279 But we never viewed him. We always looked at him 0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:05.800 as yo, that's Melly Mau like your mayor busy be 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.319 got suicide. He's ringing off like we were still kind 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:13.120 of fucking with him. I feel like Mel kind of felt, no, well, 0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:15.640 he would come and will always instigate the fact that 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.879 he was older and we were young niggas. Y'all young, 0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:21.560 y'all young niggas and y'all young boys. I'll be seeing 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:26.200 him in the court be like like with the muscles, 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:27.120 I'm flexing out there. 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:30.440 Everybody. Yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo 0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:31.360 yo yo yo you. 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:33.840 Young ya young niggas don't know what you know? 0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:37.640 All this ship and wasn't And I saw the battle, yeah, 0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:39.000 a thousand dollars battle. 0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:42.400 Yeah with KRS. And he got up on stage. 0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:44.480 This is meiling male versus Kress. 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:48.279 Yeah, okay, I saw that ship and mel was on 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:50.320 stage doing push ups and ship. 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:52.960 Like jack. 0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:55.759 Yo. 0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:57.080 It was Easter. 0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:03.200 It was the Easter Easter Sunday. And you know, He's like, 0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:06.400 I'm real, I'm a real nigga from the bunks ship. 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:10.000 You know what I'm saying. You know, Yeah, I'm not 0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:12.200 trying to play. I'm just telling you. 0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:16.439 I'm just saying it because I don't like it sounds 0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:16.839 just like him. 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.760 That's why I'm laughing, because. 0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:20.399 That niggas. 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:22.879 An old man's trip. 0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:29.560 He is fucking can open and ship on barehand and 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:30.160 type ship. 0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:36.000 One time, one time I did a documentary. I did 0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:39.920 a documentary which one time we were not. 0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:43.600 I was in the documentary once in my life. You 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:49.839 need a sound effect that I was in a documentary once. 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:53.239 No Man had admitted that when he was doing White 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:56.120 Lines he was on coke, that he was cooked up. 0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.040 So I have to mention that, Wait, you do you 0:46:59.080 --> 0:46:59.440 remember this? 0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:00.560 Like did not know this? 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:03.400 No No so at Tasty Treats. 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:05.680 Oh he came to Tasty treat. 0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:10.600 Dog Okay, like I mentioned in the documentary. Well yeah, 0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:13.040 you know, well the ironic thing about White Lines was 0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:14.400 anti drug message. 0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:22.080 Yeah, dog, I got I got a better one. 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:33.279 So there was that moment where I was djaying and 0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:38.440 then y'all mean was like, hey, yo, Mellye's mail. Melly 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:40.360 Mel want to talk to you one second because he 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:44.360 said that because you said him, because you said he was. 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:47.799 On crack, because and I was like what I looked 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:50.040 to the right. It was this mail with like missiling 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:57.600 man status. Though, yeah, this is hell. Like wound up 0:47:57.640 --> 0:47:59.919 being around for like two or three years at every event. 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:05.839 Yes, yes, we squashed it, but then he just came 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.080 to every event, at every Okay player event. 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:11.640 He noticed that wait, he was there at the Christmas 0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:12.160 party with. 0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:15.120 He used to be seeing Melle bell in there. 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:21.040 Like yeah, wearing lime greens. I love shout out to Mel. 0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:22.680 Mel is a legend. 0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:23.640 Oh my goodness. 0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:24.000 Yeah. 0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:27.640 So all right, see, I want to stay at the latt. 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:31.319 Got it got that quarter, We. 0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:34.800 Got enough, I think we got But anyway, I'll finished 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:40.400 this up. That krs. You know, Mel had said some 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:43.239 rap whatever and he was like, you're supreme and he 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:46.480 hit the floor, was doing like push ups and they 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:48.560 threw the beat on it. I forget what the beat was, 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:51.800 and all I can remember is Kris was hitting that 0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:57.400 rund from poetry? Right, how did this start? Let us begin? No, no, no, no, 0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:01.040 no no no, that's my philosophy. Poetry, the poetry. 0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:07.959 You stop. 0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:12.600 Yeah, he say something now he put the mic down 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:13.000 to him. 0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:17.800 Thought so it was like one of them, it was. 0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.480 It was over for real. 0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:25.080 Niggas start fighting. Niggas got they shut the ship down, 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:29.800 the normal quarter like it was just quiet. 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:31.360 It was. It was wild. Were you there for the 0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:32.960 last the quote last night? 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:33.880 That was the last night? 0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:37.920 Everybody day one day, normal. 0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:44.280 Easter Sunday when that ship happened and niggas the violets 0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:46.320 got into it, and I'm telling you that was the 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:47.000 last night. 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.200 Everyone has a last night at the last quarter, like 0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:51.760 Faith Newman had her last. 0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:54.359 Night, like her last night? Like what was her last night? 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:58.080 What she said? Right? I think it was I can't remember, 0:49:58.239 --> 0:49:58.840 but she. 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:01.640 Said, wasn't there for the last night? She said, a 0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:03.680 fight broke? I remember she said. It was like all this, 0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:06.240 we need to have that Hunter to finish the story 0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:09.560 and then to damn. She was a coach, that girl. 0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:10.960 That's why I want to get her on the show. 0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:15.440 She knows mas progress. That's amazing. Yeah, wait a minute, 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:16.359 it's not a stab. 0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:19.359 I love him the Hunter, so do jack me too? 0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:27.040 Anyway? All right, so all right, wait, I feel like 0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:27.560 there's more. 0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:32.840 What what other historical first in classic hip hop history 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:34.880 have you been able to witness? 0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:35.799 Let me see? 0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:42.520 Oh well, I remember when Biz was working on. 0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:46.680 Just a Friend. I heard you're the reason that it 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:47.560 even came to be. 0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:53.080 You told him like, well, it wasn't that, like not 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:55.680 Q Tip told me to do it or some ship 0:50:55.800 --> 0:51:00.200 like well, he he played it for for me in 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:07.000 Calliope Studios, and the original was you you must be 0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:15.200 on speed. If you say he's just your friend, you 0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:17.680 must be on speed. I was like, Biz, you cannot 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:19.840 say that, or he's that. 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:20.200 I know. 0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:24.680 I was thinking about doing this other one. You you 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:26.000 got what I need. 0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:31.000 I was like, you must be on speed. 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:37.120 Yeah that's another Yeah, a Juice Crew interpolation didn't didn't 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:40.800 Big Daddy Kane do a perfect combination? Or you on 0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:45.520 your suation. He had a whole routine with Biz where 0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:48.640 they used to do Johnny I believe that. I was like, 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:51.080 live it never mad, Yeah, record okay, I believe. I 0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:54.440 mean it was so routinely done, Like I feel like 0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:57.000 somewhere in history there it exists something. 0:51:57.000 --> 0:51:59.160 It has to be somewhere on some demo tape. I 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:02.160 could believe that somewhere. I forgot to ask Marley that question. 0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:07.880 All right, So your record collection, see before before your 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:11.360 career and I guess during at least up to the 0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:15.960 Jungle Brothers, Like at what point are you? 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:19.440 Are you going through your father's records? 0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:23.000 Like how are you well, I'm going through my father's 0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:26.040 record before all of it, Like as a kid, it 0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:27.440 was my father's records. 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:32.520 Let me let me okay what I really wanted to okay, 0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:34.560 Like the Bronx had their beginnings of hip hops and 0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:35.880 going to part jams and whatnot. 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:38.400 Was there a story of that in. 0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:48.160 Queen's Actually, of course Brooklyn and Queen's actually there was 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:52.280 a lot of this. It's a lot of even recent 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:57.120 recollection about the beginnings of literal hip hop, you know 0:52:57.160 --> 0:53:01.120 what I'm saying, like jams and shit. Know, Grahad Master 0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:08.560 Flowers was doing it Brooklyn, but he but the Brooklyn 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:11.360 and Queens guys they would always be you know, it 0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:14.200 was the parties would kind of be overflowing there that 0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:18.320 that was the territory, much like Bronx and Harlem, you 0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:19.920 know what I mean that connection. 0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:21.920 Because we only hear about the Bronx and I know, like. 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:26.000 A lot of this if you look. It's funny because 0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:29.080 one night somebody sent me a link and one night 0:53:29.120 --> 0:53:32.759 I just got into this whole YouTube. You know, yeah, 0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:37.040 exactly It's Labyrinth and you see all of these these 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:40.400 ogs from like Brooklyn and Queens. You know, they had 0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:43.960 Infinity sound out of Queens. You had the Albino Twins 0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:46.760 and Disco Twins, like an Infinity machine was a pretty 0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:50.040 big sound system at the same time as you know, 0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:54.360 the Hercule, which was cool herds and Sashquash, which was 0:53:55.520 --> 0:54:00.920 Gene and them ship. So Queens has big sound systems. 0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:03.680 In Brooklyn had some sound systems as well too. So 0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:07.640 the first time I went to a jam, I must 0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:10.839 have been about six seven, and I believe that grand 0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:15.359 Master Flowers was DJ. And it was actually a one 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:18.320 one block off where of Fife's mother lived on that 0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:21.359 side of the tracks. And that was the first time 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:26.160 I've seen a DJ bring It was not any scratching, 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:29.360 but it would just be like, you know, bringing it 0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:33.120 back kind of and it was hot shot. It was 0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:34.839 a hot shot. Yeah, I think it was hot shot, 0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:43.600 hot shot, hot shot hot to Yeah, that joint exactly, 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:46.800 and that it was just that was like the first 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:51.160 recollection of that. Everybody was like kind of on the 0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:55.480 carry line. No, okay, I remember that break Ye. Dad 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:58.480 was early. That was early, and that was like an 0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:02.440 instigation into getting record for me. But you know, luckily, 0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:06.800 you know, my dad had a pretty substantial record collection 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:08.920 and he would trade with my aunt Effie was up 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:14.640 in Harlem and my other my cousin lived a few 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:16.720 blocks away and they had like a bunch of records. 0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:19.880 And then my my my friend lived across the street. 0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:24.080 He was much older than me, Eric Saler Squad No, No, 0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:28.680 not that one. Oh okay, it's another Saddler family. So 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.040 they had a bunch of records, so I'd be like 0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:37.719 raising everybody's joints and just listening to music. Then by 0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:40.360 the time you know, I started thirteen fourteen and the 0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:42.560 breaks and all that stuff, you start hearing all of that, 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:46.319 I started putting two and two together. Because at first 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:48.920 it was just like a family hobby to collect records, 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:54.000 so it wasn't really from a position of like grapping breakbeats. 0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:59.360 But then that that kind of between from when I 0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:01.840 was seven up to ten, it was just about a 0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:04.400 record collecting thing. And then when you got to when 0:56:04.440 --> 0:56:07.360 I got to like twelve, thirteen fourteen, I started realizing 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:10.520 put two and two together and made the connection of 0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:12.880 what it was. So that's kind of how I kind 0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:13.799 of got into the whole. 0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:17.440 So your dad encouraged, didn't discourage you from touching his 0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:19.000 record collection, you didn't have it. 0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:20.520 Don't touch my stereo, dad. 0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:25.440 Or my mother was more still, yeah, I would do 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:27.279 that and fuck the ship up. Yeah, because you know, 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:30.560 you have the whole, the one system with the take 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:32.560 the open the wood cover and. 0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:44.520 Like, but I won't look at you know that type 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:46.239 of Yeah, it was the belt drive. 0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:48.120 They were like, they wouldn't even go back. It was 0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:50.080 just straight the belt drive. It wasn't direct drive. 0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:51.000 Yeah, which'all think? 0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:52.600 How do y'all think that affects music now that the 0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:55.920 era of your parents' records is over? Like kids today 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:58.120 don't get to go through their parents'. 0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:01.440 Albums like we all did. Yeah, because now there's ninetyums. 0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:02.200 Do they go through it? 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:04.440 But do they go through their parents? I phone out 0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:05.160 like how do you. 0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:08.520 My boys get it in the car? Like when when 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:10.319 we go on road trips and stuff and I'm playing 0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:11.680 my music, that's. 0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:14.000 When they get you control the music? Yeah, I control 0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:15.640 the music in the car. The car is a lot 0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:19.920 much to their chagarn uh. Sometimes I mean you're purposely 0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:22.840 like they got headphones on. Sometimes. 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:27.520 Do you find that that in the car when you're 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:29.640 having those trips that they are a little bit more 0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:31.560 open to hearing it? And I was like, oh wow, 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:32.240 Dad like that? 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:32.520 Yeah? 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:34.320 Yeah, yeah, that was I mean I give me an 0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:36.840 example that someone from our era that they really dig 0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:38.160 someone from from our era. 0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:39.960 I mean that you put them onto you like when 0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:42.640 they was like five or six. Yo. No, no dead ass. 0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:45.400 And I'm not saying just because he was here. When 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:47.520 the new record came out, I was just playing it 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:49.600 in the house and my son came home from school. 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:51.640 He's like, oh, Dad, is that the new Tribe album? 0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:54.920 And he and you had them like, oh, I had him. 0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:56.440 I was like, you might be, you might get it, 0:57:58.960 --> 0:57:59.640 but not my son. 0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:02.200 He was he's fifteen, and so he was. I mean, 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:04.560 I had him. I was playing when he was a kid. 0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:07.480 I made him like a tape of just some of 0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:10.760 my favorite music, had some Tribe on there. Micheondego, cello 0:58:11.000 --> 0:58:13.160 like came. I mean, I just made him a tape 0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:14.920 and so he would go to sleep to that as 0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:18.520 a kid. And so now I will say, man, I mean, 0:58:18.560 --> 0:58:20.600 and I see. I think this generation, the kids, they're 0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:25.040 the most open because everything is free. So whereas back 0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:27.360 in our day, like you might want to take a 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:29.920 chance on a radio Head or some shit. 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:31.800 But it's like, Okay, I can buy Radiohead, I can 0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:34.680 buy Cuban links. Yeah, nigga buy a cubul links. I mean, 0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:36.400 but now everything is available. 0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:39.640 So those kids, now, my boys, they listen to everything 0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:43.560 from like the most ignorant trap shit to like Tribe King, 0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:45.880 you know what I mean, Like they listen to it 0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:48.040 all because they have access. 0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:49.000 To reach starters that way. 0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:53.240 Celia, when she was born, I made her an iPod 0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:58.600 of just random stuff and to this day, like she's eleven, 0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:00.520 but she loves the police. 0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:05.600 Why she loves my boy my son. 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:08.720 For last Christmas, he asked for uh, he wanted me 0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:11.400 to buy him a CD copy of Metallica's and Justice 0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:15.800 Fall because he used to play one on Guitar Hero. 0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:20.200 And so that like led him that. 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:22.920 So like that ship Queens of the Stone Age, like 0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:25.200 all that kind of you know, Rocky's into that. 0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:29.120 It's funny because you know, my little cousins they are 0:59:29.280 --> 0:59:34.640 like fourteen fifteen, and you know they're not necessarily what 0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:38.280 everybody deals with the millennial or whatever. I feel like 0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:42.840 that that crew is a little bit more open. It's 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:45.720 like it's like, okay, I feel like the millennials or 0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:48.720 whatever when they had streaming and all of that stuff 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:52.960 and it hit for them. It it wasn't you know, 0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:56.160 the functionality of what streaming really was to be, which 0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:59.959 was to cross sectionalize all types of music, hadn't really 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:03.200 league came hit its stride with them and hasn't really 1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:07.560 following them with that younger generation through watching them, sees 1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:10.919 that it's really, hey, it's about all of this shit everything. Yeah, 1:00:11.040 --> 1:00:14.640 you know, because I was surprised, like like a year 1:00:14.640 --> 1:00:17.760 and a half ago we had like this in store. 1:00:17.880 --> 1:00:21.160 We did this collaboration with Stucy and the line was 1:00:21.240 --> 1:00:25.040 like around the corner. Store was like, yo, nigga. Prior 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:28.800 to this, I was cutting my lawn in my New 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:32.200 York Jets socks and my fucking Nike shorts. I had 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:36.360 my tank top one, you know, smoking bead yelling at 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:38.360 my dogs, scratching my back like I. 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:42.800 Ain't been out. It's like, come do this. I'm like okay, 1:00:43.480 --> 1:00:44.440 and you go to it. 1:00:44.680 --> 1:00:47.160 You see this and it's these fifteen sixteen year old 1:00:47.280 --> 1:00:49.600 kids like, oh my god. 1:00:49.520 --> 1:00:52.560 You don't know what I'm like, huh. Pop up stores 1:00:52.560 --> 1:00:54.280 are now there. It's the new black. 1:00:54.440 --> 1:00:54.640 Yeah. 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:59.919 Yes, it's encouraging and it feels it feels encouraging. I'man 1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:00.720 encouraged by it. 1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:02.680 No, you, I will say, Tom, you were one of 1:01:02.800 --> 1:01:04.680 the one of my favorite producers in the sense that 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:07.320 you always though I've always described it is like you 1:01:07.360 --> 1:01:08.520 always kept the foot. 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:09.120 In both worlds. 1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:12.360 Like you could do a Midnight Marauders, but then could 1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:14.640 do the infamous you know what I'm saying. Or you 1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:16.960 could do like a Craig mac remix, and like you 1:01:17.080 --> 1:01:19.680 always found a way even when you work with big 1:01:19.800 --> 1:01:22.920 mainstream acts of the time, you still found a way 1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:25.280 to put your stamp on what. 1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:25.960 You were doing. 1:01:26.120 --> 1:01:28.160 And I think that's and in my opinion to me, 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:31.680 that always kept you kind of you. You never to me, 1:01:31.760 --> 1:01:33.480 never came across as like that bitter guy like a 1:01:33.560 --> 1:01:34.439 lot of the older cats. 1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:36.040 So you know what it is, you know why, and 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:38.320 he could tell you it's not evenly a big secret. 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:41.040 It's DJ right, don't you find it? 1:01:41.160 --> 1:01:45.480 I mean like DJing or I'm smart about it now 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:52.640 because I wasn't DJing as heavy since maybe the last 1:01:52.680 --> 1:01:55.000 three or four records where I'm now aware of it. Yeah, 1:01:55.120 --> 1:01:57.160 now now I know why Dre, Like when I saw 1:01:57.200 --> 1:02:00.520 straight out of Compton and realize the environment that Dre 1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:03.600 was DJing a at that roller skating rink where it's 1:02:03.600 --> 1:02:08.000 like you play the wrong record, that's your ass. Now realize, oh, 1:02:08.520 --> 1:02:11.840 that's why all of Dre's stuff is taking no prisoners 1:02:12.000 --> 1:02:14.360 with with his singles and stuff like it has to 1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:16.439 just got to hit grab you by the throat. 1:02:16.600 --> 1:02:18.520 Now I realize that that, yeah, that's that's the. 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:23.920 The other thing about it too, is that it's it's 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:27.440 you get to see what works and why, you know, 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:31.200 because I, you know, I think that you and I 1:02:31.320 --> 1:02:33.480 we maybe I think we come from the same philosophy 1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:35.440 when we spend you know what I'm saying, it's like, 1:02:36.080 --> 1:02:41.520 you know, current, current, a little bit back on another one, throwback, 1:02:41.640 --> 1:02:45.000 tempo wise, tempo match, baseline match and boom now current, 1:02:45.240 --> 1:02:48.320 you know current, you know, just to try to mix 1:02:48.440 --> 1:02:51.160 and then sometimes you know that the crowd may not 1:02:51.400 --> 1:02:54.200 know the throwbacks, but you just want to see the 1:02:54.280 --> 1:02:57.360 reaction if if it's one of the yeah, because because 1:02:57.560 --> 1:02:59.480 if it if it doesn't stop the groove and that 1:02:59.720 --> 1:03:02.600 you who's moving it to it. It's a great study, 1:03:03.400 --> 1:03:03.600 you know. 1:03:03.920 --> 1:03:04.880 Psychological stuff. 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:07.040 If you're just tuning in, we're getting a hip hop 1:03:07.160 --> 1:03:11.000 history lesson with rapper actor producer DJ member of a 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:13.200 tripal Quest Q Tip. The reason why I brought the 1:03:13.240 --> 1:03:19.800 record collection is because in the era of when you 1:03:19.880 --> 1:03:22.320 guys finally get your debut record out. 1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:22.800 Uh. 1:03:23.520 --> 1:03:26.800 First of all, the long ass title of People's Instinctive 1:03:26.800 --> 1:03:29.000 Travels and the Paths of Rhythm. 1:03:30.200 --> 1:03:38.080 Why I mean Captain beef Hart and yeah, I mean, 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:40.560 you know, we need a title. 1:03:40.800 --> 1:03:43.880 We need to stick the fuck out when we need 1:03:44.000 --> 1:03:45.640 other options for the debut album. 1:03:45.760 --> 1:03:53.000 Before was the you know either or we always had 1:03:53.040 --> 1:03:54.160 like three to choose from it. 1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:56.880 Now were just like, yo, this is what it. 1:03:57.000 --> 1:04:01.120 Is really, you know. Okay, So in the era of 1:04:02.360 --> 1:04:04.320 you guys making that record. 1:04:06.000 --> 1:04:08.880 Well as a music producer, the first thing, the reason 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:14.240 why I have a dividing line between the renaissance era 1:04:14.480 --> 1:04:17.880 of hip hop and the classic era of hip hop 1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:21.640 and the thin line that's in between is the fact 1:04:21.720 --> 1:04:29.400 that you guys managed to miraculously avoid James brown Well 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:34.880 using anything from Break B Loo's Ultimate Beats and Breaks collection, 1:04:35.480 --> 1:04:39.320 which all right for our listeners, Break B Lou shout Out, 1:04:39.320 --> 1:04:39.640 What's Up? 1:04:40.040 --> 1:04:41.400 Lou? Lou Flores. 1:04:43.640 --> 1:04:48.520 Wisely came up with a Wikipedia or a cliff notes 1:04:48.680 --> 1:04:49.360 if you will. 1:04:50.040 --> 1:04:52.280 Of records and street Beat Lenny. 1:04:53.240 --> 1:04:56.600 Yeah, Street b Lenny shout Out of all the records 1:04:56.640 --> 1:05:02.000 that Bam and HERK and fl and Theodore would spin. 1:05:02.520 --> 1:05:03.200 Back in the day. 1:05:03.560 --> 1:05:06.600 And when this compilation came out, in late nineteen eighty 1:05:06.680 --> 1:05:14.160 five through nineteen eighty nine, pretty much, I'll say sixty 1:05:14.240 --> 1:05:18.880 percent of most hip hop relied on these breaks for 1:05:19.000 --> 1:05:24.880 their daily diet. All these you know, synthetic substitution impeached 1:05:24.880 --> 1:05:28.280 to President. God made me funky. It was just to 1:05:28.400 --> 1:05:31.320 the point where the average record take, like, take a 1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:36.640 producer like Herbie Lovebug his productions on saying, like a 1:05:36.680 --> 1:05:40.200 filler cut on a kid in play record, You get comprised. 1:05:40.400 --> 1:05:42.360 You can they tell, oh, that's volume made. 1:05:42.760 --> 1:05:44.640 He used the drums from here and the loop from 1:05:44.680 --> 1:05:47.400 there and the baseline from there, you know, all on 1:05:47.520 --> 1:05:50.240 the same record where you really didn't do any heavy digging. 1:05:50.400 --> 1:05:53.000 So this is the first time, or at least with 1:05:53.840 --> 1:05:57.400 the native tongues, this is the first time that I'm 1:05:57.480 --> 1:06:01.920 hearing loops that aren't on the compilation. And it's like, 1:06:02.400 --> 1:06:04.440 oh God, I gotta do some work to figure out 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:05.360 what they use. 1:06:05.520 --> 1:06:07.040 What this is? What was that? 1:06:07.440 --> 1:06:11.920 Was that already a rule that like no substitution, no 1:06:12.080 --> 1:06:14.440 funky drummer, no impeached the president. 1:06:15.240 --> 1:06:15.920 Yeah we were. 1:06:17.200 --> 1:06:17.440 It was. 1:06:18.680 --> 1:06:22.800 It was a crew of us, right like it was 1:06:23.000 --> 1:06:26.480 me Africa, Juju. 1:06:28.840 --> 1:06:31.840 The Beatnuts. Who is the music head of the beat nuts. 1:06:31.920 --> 1:06:32.520 They both are. 1:06:33.560 --> 1:06:34.400 But who's your go to? 1:06:35.120 --> 1:06:40.800 Well, Juju, who made because Juju? I mean because that 1:06:41.080 --> 1:06:44.320 was my men, like in senior year high school, like 1:06:44.440 --> 1:06:47.480 we were me him Rashad. 1:06:48.480 --> 1:06:48.640 Yep. 1:06:49.920 --> 1:06:51.800 They all went to the No no, no, we all 1:06:51.880 --> 1:06:54.000 went to different schools, but we were all like meet 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:56.560 up at the hubs and ship, like we just knew 1:06:56.640 --> 1:07:00.280 niggas from when you know, we was getting up getting 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:02.440 beats and ship and you'd see dudes, you be like, yo, 1:07:02.600 --> 1:07:05.240 that dude got because we always there was a there 1:07:05.320 --> 1:07:09.720 was a small group of us who was like anti 1:07:10.440 --> 1:07:12.760 break beat, you know what I mean, Like we had 1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:16.720 to have the right ship, you know what I feel like, 1:07:16.720 --> 1:07:17.280 all right, the. 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:22.240 Large professor substitutions. But not once did you feel like 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:22.760 all right. 1:07:22.720 --> 1:07:26.680 Oh yeah, well after after you know, after we've established 1:07:26.720 --> 1:07:29.560 ourselves in that way, you didn't come back. There's been 1:07:29.640 --> 1:07:33.520 times I've used substitution kicks and ship like that and like. 1:07:34.000 --> 1:07:39.280 That whatever tell yeah okay, or like you know, and 1:07:39.400 --> 1:07:40.320 like Pete would. 1:07:40.160 --> 1:07:44.520 Use he would use substitution a lot, you know, some 1:07:44.640 --> 1:07:46.520 of them ships. Just as a producer, you'd be like, yo, 1:07:46.600 --> 1:07:49.360 that ship is still that that James brown Snea is 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:53.160 still rocking. We got to boot, you know what I mean. 1:07:53.240 --> 1:07:57.320 But back then, early on, it was just about it 1:07:57.440 --> 1:08:01.960 was about the hunt nigga, you know, saying you know 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:03.880 that ship just had the fight. It was just like 1:08:04.000 --> 1:08:05.960 and then we got so on it. We would travel 1:08:06.000 --> 1:08:09.040 out of town and fights. Me and Paul would get 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:10.440 fucking rent cars and. 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:15.360 Be driving Pittsburgh. Yeah, all types of ship. You would 1:08:15.360 --> 1:08:17.080 go to Jerry's and Pittsburgh. Yep. 1:08:17.200 --> 1:08:18.000 I went to Jerry's. 1:08:18.520 --> 1:08:21.280 Yeah, it's yeah, if any beat bigger. 1:08:21.600 --> 1:08:27.400 There's seven Pilgrimage like Mecca Pilgrim, but Jerry's you'll never 1:08:27.439 --> 1:08:27.920 get past. 1:08:28.040 --> 1:08:32.360 Like the letter D and or C right right, right right, 1:08:32.560 --> 1:08:34.200 that's how large his warehouse is. 1:08:34.880 --> 1:08:40.240 But the crew was it was like Juju and and 1:08:40.360 --> 1:08:43.080 this is the crew. Like we all would know each other. 1:08:43.240 --> 1:08:45.200 We all would go to spots and ship. It was 1:08:45.760 --> 1:08:57.240 Juju Diamond large myself Africa, Pete, I said Paul, right, Paul. 1:09:00.000 --> 1:09:02.960 Prem had already bought a store. 1:09:03.320 --> 1:09:06.640 He already had everything. Wow, he had a store. Oh 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:15.400 Latif Latif, I said Rashad, No, noah, it was we 1:09:15.640 --> 1:09:22.240 was we was. Mark already had He's a OG so 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:26.479 he was already. So Prem had the record store that 1:09:26.560 --> 1:09:29.920 he bought when he was in Texas and came and 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:32.760 they just shipped him every like forty thousand records of 1:09:32.840 --> 1:09:36.000 some crazy ship. So he had everything, and Mark had everything. 1:09:36.800 --> 1:09:40.600 So we were all putting our ships together kind of 1:09:40.680 --> 1:09:43.040 at that time, you know, at the same time, you know. 1:09:44.040 --> 1:09:47.240 But it was the hunt. It was the hunt. It 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:48.760 was like Game of Thrones or some ship. 1:09:49.720 --> 1:09:54.280 I'm glad you're saying this because even though my career 1:09:54.400 --> 1:09:58.000 came in the tail end of it, many a record 1:09:58.040 --> 1:10:02.160 dealer had the fear of their eyes when like, because 1:10:02.160 --> 1:10:04.120 I would just straight up ask them, because they like, 1:10:04.240 --> 1:10:07.599 record dealers will do this thing where it's like, all right, 1:10:07.680 --> 1:10:10.320 they know what kind of money is walking in, right, 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:11.439 so they'll look at me. 1:10:12.040 --> 1:10:13.880 They'll look at me and like, okay, a mirror's good 1:10:13.880 --> 1:10:14.639 for ten thousand. 1:10:14.800 --> 1:10:18.280 So they have a system where it's like they'll give 1:10:18.320 --> 1:10:21.759 you all right, that's ten, that's twenty, that's ten, that's twenty, 1:10:22.040 --> 1:10:23.280 that's ten, that's twenty. 1:10:23.520 --> 1:10:24.439 No, that's right. 1:10:24.560 --> 1:10:27.680 But then they know you're itching and I'm like, so 1:10:27.840 --> 1:10:30.080 that's it, and they'll be like, well, you know, I 1:10:30.160 --> 1:10:34.800 got a shipment that just came in last night. And 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:38.400 all the warehouse is up the block, right, Oh, take 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:40.560 you over the block. Yeah, there's all that kind of 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:45.360 I got some dresses over here. Yeah no, but that's 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:45.840 what it's like. 1:10:46.040 --> 1:10:48.519 And then there's just a points. 1:10:48.520 --> 1:10:50.160 Well I would tell them to just cut to the chase, 1:10:50.920 --> 1:10:53.120 like and that's the thing as a record collector, you 1:10:53.240 --> 1:10:56.600 never tell them like, look only got a thousand, Just 1:10:56.840 --> 1:10:58.200 cut to the chase and give me the good ship, 1:10:58.560 --> 1:11:00.920 because no, they'll just do the same shit the tens, 1:11:01.120 --> 1:11:04.520 the twenties, the tens, the twenties, the tens, the twenties. 1:11:04.320 --> 1:11:05.160 Were you out there? 1:11:05.680 --> 1:11:09.559 And then they'll be like they they will usually say 1:11:09.840 --> 1:11:12.439 like Pete Rock was always the thing, like well, yeah, 1:11:12.520 --> 1:11:14.280 we were holding some of the stuff for Pete Rock. 1:11:16.400 --> 1:11:20.280 You know, I'll give you an extra ten for it. Yeah. 1:11:20.360 --> 1:11:22.160 But then you're like you get desperate and not realizing 1:11:22.560 --> 1:11:25.479 this wouldn't be true. No, no, no, no, I realized 1:11:25.479 --> 1:11:26.960 then I realized that was the hustle. 1:11:27.080 --> 1:11:30.840 And then finally I found a guy where he's just like, 1:11:31.120 --> 1:11:34.519 look this is worth one hundred, this is worth one fifty, 1:11:34.960 --> 1:11:37.280 this is you know, and those type of things. So 1:11:38.560 --> 1:11:41.640 of course those prices would be jacked up because they 1:11:41.680 --> 1:11:45.479 would use it like stuff already, so like like a 1:11:47.080 --> 1:11:52.080 prime example the Manty Alexander and having his all right, 1:11:53.000 --> 1:12:00.320 so before you use that for gangster bitch, know that 1:12:00.960 --> 1:12:04.120 the album was worth like ten bucks now. But because 1:12:04.520 --> 1:12:09.000 gangster like he q Tip single handedly brought up the 1:12:09.120 --> 1:12:14.160 stocks on all we're not just the stuff he was, I'm. 1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:17.200 Feel bad a little bit because it just happened like 1:12:17.280 --> 1:12:18.080 okay boom, so. 1:12:18.320 --> 1:12:21.680 Yeah, my generation is now paying the extra on the 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:22.559 New Tribe album. 1:12:22.960 --> 1:12:29.720 I used this this for whatever would be the Nairob Yeah, 1:12:30.160 --> 1:12:35.519 like that ship is got rocketed already. 1:12:35.640 --> 1:12:37.479 But give me an example of like from once it 1:12:37.560 --> 1:12:38.639 came to whence it got once? 1:12:38.680 --> 1:12:43.000 Tip touched it no all the time, like oh Jesus Christ, 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:46.439 I've read ram Ramp is a five dollars record. 1:12:47.640 --> 1:12:49.840 I don't even think there's an original Ramp record. Like 1:12:50.160 --> 1:12:54.439 every Ramp album I've seen is. I just felt like 1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:58.360 they Yeah, they finally just printed it in the name 1:12:58.600 --> 1:13:01.080 of the interest of finding the need an apple bum sample. 1:13:01.640 --> 1:13:04.160 So how much is that now? Ran three hundred? 1:13:04.439 --> 1:13:06.920 Well you for an original press I've never seen an 1:13:06.960 --> 1:13:13.439 original pressing of Rent, but uh, Eugene McDaniels, I've never 1:13:13.560 --> 1:13:16.360 seen I've never seen the Headless Heroes under two hundred 1:13:16.400 --> 1:13:32.840 bucks original. I playing that, I played that ship. The 1:13:32.960 --> 1:13:38.679 first argument Stacey and I ever had over music, first 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:44.160 tasty treat Stacey and I ever had over music was 1:13:44.280 --> 1:13:45.200 over that record. 1:13:46.880 --> 1:13:51.240 She by the time we got to that song, she 1:13:51.400 --> 1:13:51.600 was like. 1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:57.680 A little this is the last song on eug McDaniel's 1:13:57.920 --> 1:14:03.200 debut album. Helial play everything. I've plaid everything, No, no, no, 1:14:03.520 --> 1:14:06.720 the SAMs for this, for the tip Us, it. 1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:10.400 Was jagget dagger. It was jagged a dagger. You know, 1:14:10.479 --> 1:14:12.880 we was having a ball. That's good on the MYCT. 1:14:13.360 --> 1:14:16.720 Weird enough, Jack of the Dagger was such a dig 1:14:16.960 --> 1:14:20.559 at Mick Jagger, like stealing black music. 1:14:20.760 --> 1:14:22.360 What the loop was so dope. 1:14:24.120 --> 1:14:25.760 One of the one of the last dates that we 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:29.200 did on when Lauren released that, did you play that 1:14:29.360 --> 1:14:30.160 as he walked out? 1:14:30.479 --> 1:14:30.519 No? 1:14:30.600 --> 1:14:36.439 No, no, no, man, you know what he can't Yes, 1:14:36.560 --> 1:14:39.400 he was scheduled, he was scheduled to be on the show. 1:14:40.280 --> 1:14:41.599 We prepared that song. 1:14:41.600 --> 1:14:44.360 And then he okay, okay, he didn't do it, but yeah, 1:14:44.400 --> 1:14:48.680 when he comes down, dude's jagging the dagger Like what 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:49.920 they gonna do the research on it? 1:14:50.439 --> 1:14:55.560 Anyway? Last the last date, the last date of this 1:14:55.720 --> 1:14:58.280 Lauren Hill tour when she did that unplugged record Smoking 1:14:58.320 --> 1:14:59.559 Groups tour. I remember that right. 1:15:00.080 --> 1:15:03.479 So it was Thanksgiving night in Seattle and I played 1:15:03.520 --> 1:15:07.360 the Parasite and blasted it because I DJ before she 1:15:07.520 --> 1:15:10.320 came on dog the look on the art, it was 1:15:10.360 --> 1:15:11.000 the best. 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:15.000 I might have to play you. Yes, I gotta. Can 1:15:15.080 --> 1:15:16.920 I play the whole song? Please? The whole song is 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:20.320 like that, no minutes. We can't not right now. 1:15:20.360 --> 1:15:22.760 I mean if you can put a little bit, just 1:15:23.920 --> 1:15:25.519 skim through, skim through certain. 1:15:25.800 --> 1:15:27.439 Yeah, I think it's a good close. We'll close the 1:15:27.479 --> 1:15:30.320 show with it. Okay, stop, we will close the show 1:15:30.400 --> 1:15:31.519 with That's fair. 1:15:32.120 --> 1:15:37.000 Can we talk over it the show like Mystery Science Theater. 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:41.320 That is kind of what we do. Great, awesome, that's 1:15:41.320 --> 1:15:46.080 all we do, all right? So what making this? 1:15:46.360 --> 1:15:51.120 Making the record the debut? Yeah, people's I call it 1:15:51.200 --> 1:15:58.320 Peter Peter p tour Peter Peter to make him that record? 1:15:59.640 --> 1:16:03.160 What is because this is a group of super producers. 1:16:03.760 --> 1:16:05.800 I mean it's a group of multiple c's, but it's 1:16:05.800 --> 1:16:07.240 also a group of super producers. 1:16:08.320 --> 1:16:09.120 How what is the. 1:16:11.080 --> 1:16:16.640 What is the agreed upon method of making joints, like, 1:16:16.880 --> 1:16:19.240 is it just yo, I got this loop? 1:16:19.360 --> 1:16:21.559 Yeah, I got this loop. I like that loop. Okay, 1:16:21.600 --> 1:16:25.080 let's work on that. Or is it you know, do 1:16:25.160 --> 1:16:26.960 you just come in with the finished product like I 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:29.200 like this? Does alast say? Yo? What do you think 1:16:29.200 --> 1:16:30.760 about this? Yeah? That joints nice? I'll do that. 1:16:31.120 --> 1:16:31.880 It's kind of both. 1:16:32.240 --> 1:16:34.560 Okay in the beginning, what's it like? What's it like 1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:35.479 on the first album? 1:16:35.640 --> 1:16:40.120 Like in the beginning, Uh, A lot of it was 1:16:40.680 --> 1:16:47.200 demos that I'd done over the prior, I'd say five 1:16:47.360 --> 1:16:48.080 years maybe. 1:16:48.400 --> 1:16:52.439 Okay, I'm calling. I'm calling an audible storytime with Q Tip. 1:16:52.600 --> 1:16:54.759 All right, I'm just gonna play ten seconds of random 1:16:54.840 --> 1:16:57.840 tribe joints and you tell me, like, what comes to 1:16:57.920 --> 1:16:59.720 mind when you made this? 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:08.240 Well, if you remember any details, read. 1:17:08.080 --> 1:17:10.840 It, read it, turn the page, see what it says. 1:17:11.160 --> 1:17:11.800 Read it to you? 1:17:11.920 --> 1:17:23.240 Will you please? I mean running away roy is you 1:17:23.320 --> 1:17:25.360 know it's one of my favorite. 1:17:26.200 --> 1:17:30.080 This shake catches a lot of slack, like I I'll read, 1:17:30.479 --> 1:17:37.240 I'll read you know, like uh uh lists like Ego 1:17:37.320 --> 1:17:41.400 trip list or whatever, where of course this didn't description 1:17:41.600 --> 1:17:47.840 didn't of course, so it catches flack as in weird 1:17:47.880 --> 1:17:52.920 debut songs by groups that will later God. But there's 1:17:52.960 --> 1:17:56.880 nothing wrong with this loop. This is not my go 1:17:57.000 --> 1:18:00.360 to song to spend. But I was never mad at 1:18:00.400 --> 1:18:01.200 this loop or. 1:18:01.920 --> 1:18:03.840 The place of the ending. It felt like a good 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:04.759 ending for the album. 1:18:05.080 --> 1:18:05.280 Yeah. 1:18:05.400 --> 1:18:06.640 I used to run that joint and. 1:18:06.640 --> 1:18:10.000 That was actually the B side was even funnier. Pubic 1:18:12.360 --> 1:18:17.040 B side the joint talking smack comics. 1:18:17.560 --> 1:18:18.120 It was funny. 1:18:18.280 --> 1:18:19.800 It was like, it's very skipped to my loop. 1:18:20.000 --> 1:18:22.840 No, no, no, you know what it was to I 1:18:23.160 --> 1:18:28.639 had two years earlier. There was a store on Bleika, 1:18:28.720 --> 1:18:32.519 the street where you get all the fucking prints unreleased joints. 1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:40.760 Well, not Bob's, but it was another joint. It was Generations. 1:18:41.160 --> 1:18:44.960 I think it was not on, but it's off. You 1:18:45.080 --> 1:18:47.680 know where all the chest stores. I think it was 1:18:48.479 --> 1:18:50.719 a cross the street and down the block from my Moods. 1:18:50.760 --> 1:18:52.800 I think there's a story where Prince actually walked in 1:18:53.960 --> 1:18:57.599 to that store and walked out with all this ship. Yeah, 1:18:57.720 --> 1:19:01.240 that had yo, It's ill because I was in there. 1:19:01.520 --> 1:19:03.920 I would always hit there after school because Karena and 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:06.000 I would always be in the village and shit and 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:08.000 I would always go get I was just a huge 1:19:08.080 --> 1:19:11.439 Prince fan. So I had heard movie Star, heard Bob 1:19:11.600 --> 1:19:14.720 George Super Califori at the front, whatever the fuck you know, 1:19:15.400 --> 1:19:17.599 all of that shit. Like I was just like stuck. 1:19:18.080 --> 1:19:20.840 I remember playing movie Star for Africa. He and We're 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:24.400 in like eleventh grade and we're like mocking the shit 1:19:24.520 --> 1:19:28.280 and listening to all this unreleased Prince shit, and this 1:19:28.680 --> 1:19:30.080 was like kind. 1:19:29.960 --> 1:19:33.720 Of like one of the Yeah, what who's the you know, 1:19:33.840 --> 1:19:34.920 it's about George? 1:19:35.320 --> 1:19:37.600 You know what I'm saying. I like doing all that 1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:41.840 silly shit. Underneath it is the BT Express beat, you 1:19:41.920 --> 1:19:45.040 know what I mean. I mean it's it's clearly tuned out. 1:19:45.920 --> 1:19:52.320 But it was also still inn overage of disco kind 1:19:52.400 --> 1:19:54.560 of house parties that were still going on. You know, 1:19:55.240 --> 1:19:58.200 you still have Frankie Knuckles Ip, still had Larry Levan 1:19:58.320 --> 1:20:01.679 doing parties back then, even though their houses had closed, 1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:05.960 and maybe Frankie was doing back and forth from Chicago 1:20:06.080 --> 1:20:10.200 to New York. So Body, Body and Soul was being established, 1:20:10.360 --> 1:20:12.680 re established, but it was still a disco thing that 1:20:12.840 --> 1:20:13.240 was happening. 1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:17.160 Have you ever got to see Larry spin or his systems? Yeah, 1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:21.759 well I saw him at Limelight. Okay, did he control 1:20:21.840 --> 1:20:22.400 the system there? 1:20:22.680 --> 1:20:25.440 I don't think so. This is towards because. 1:20:25.160 --> 1:20:29.760 When you DJ, you hea the world's loudest bass cabinets ever. 1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:33.759 And I know that. He always me you you're always 1:20:33.800 --> 1:20:35.360 aiming for a paradise. 1:20:36.240 --> 1:20:36.439 Yeah. 1:20:36.479 --> 1:20:37.800 I'm trying to go for that man. 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:42.880 Yeah, okay, I'm But the first real big system I 1:20:43.760 --> 1:20:49.799 think I heard was in the World as we discussed 1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:54.240 a A Twice's favorite song. 1:20:55.200 --> 1:20:56.479 Wow, my favorite song. 1:20:59.000 --> 1:21:03.400 I haven't heard this ship ever because I got mine, 1:21:03.720 --> 1:21:06.040 especially slide the family stone. 1:21:06.920 --> 1:21:08.559 Advice take my advice. 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:19.400 That was Scott Page from the ninety one album classic 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:20.599 The Low in Theory. 1:21:22.120 --> 1:21:23.680 When I made this beat, I was like, Yo, this 1:21:23.840 --> 1:21:26.519 is like one of the most perfect beats I ever made, 1:21:27.200 --> 1:21:31.519 just because you hear the brushes, You hear the brushes 1:21:31.560 --> 1:21:34.360 on the drums playing like playing right in between that 1:21:34.680 --> 1:21:40.200 fucking monstrous ass snig kick, that fucking gregorco Is rocking, 1:21:40.280 --> 1:21:42.519 and the just the and then when the flu the 1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:47.120 with the fucking phone and ship. I was just like, damn, 1:21:49.000 --> 1:21:51.320 I wanted I wanted to make this ship longer, but 1:21:52.280 --> 1:21:54.360 I was like, you'll fight, we should keep this ship short. 1:21:54.560 --> 1:21:54.760 Like this. 1:21:55.040 --> 1:21:58.519 It's like he was like Burt, he said this even 1:21:58.560 --> 1:22:00.880 though I would love to we got all the joints. 1:22:01.080 --> 1:22:03.920 We need to make this short, like because this one, 1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:07.600 I just I just love this record. I think this 1:22:07.760 --> 1:22:10.920 is my favorite. I think I've said before the butter 1:22:11.760 --> 1:22:13.800 was my favorite on the album, but it's really this. 1:22:14.760 --> 1:22:17.040 I haven't heard this in a while. Wow. 1:22:17.280 --> 1:22:21.240 See this is where we haven't common because I don't know, 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:23.920 like maybe it was the Beast being the B side 1:22:24.000 --> 1:22:28.080 of Check the Rhyme or whatever, but this just hit 1:22:28.160 --> 1:22:30.840 me at the right moment, Like we brought the Check 1:22:30.920 --> 1:22:34.439 the Rhyme single. It's like a Friday night Tower Records, 1:22:34.520 --> 1:22:39.240 and when like we already knew Checked the Rhyme. So 1:22:39.360 --> 1:22:43.160 when we heard the B side for sky pager In 1:22:43.360 --> 1:22:45.640 on a loud ass car system on a Friday night, 1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:48.240 like we sat it. We sat there and listening to 1:22:48.520 --> 1:22:51.120 like twenty times in a row, Like I was so mad. 1:22:51.200 --> 1:22:53.960 There was no instrumental over this shit. But this is 1:22:54.040 --> 1:22:56.240 like one of the songs that like me and Tarique 1:22:56.840 --> 1:22:59.879 it bonded over like but it may be hard. 1:22:59.760 --> 1:23:03.559 To to Maybe you understand it, amir, but don't. Sometimes 1:23:03.640 --> 1:23:05.680 it's like you take yourself out of it as the 1:23:05.880 --> 1:23:09.880 actual artist and then you as the DJ Resister, Listen, 1:23:09.960 --> 1:23:12.320 you know what I'm saying, and you just hear it 1:23:12.800 --> 1:23:15.320 and for a minute you be like, oh shit, you 1:23:15.360 --> 1:23:15.840 know what I'm saying. 1:23:16.680 --> 1:23:18.680 I'm sure, but you have to have time. I think 1:23:18.800 --> 1:23:21.120 like you have to have distance away from it. You 1:23:21.160 --> 1:23:23.080 know what I'm saying, Yes, because like why you're working 1:23:23.120 --> 1:23:25.280 on it while I'm working on stuff like I can't write, 1:23:25.640 --> 1:23:26.240 Oh my god, but. 1:23:26.280 --> 1:23:31.519 I'm certain that you make records that younger you would 1:23:31.640 --> 1:23:34.320 want to buy as a consumer or. 1:23:36.360 --> 1:23:38.040 Correct? Do you not make rhymes that. 1:23:39.720 --> 1:23:40.720 You wish. 1:23:42.160 --> 1:23:43.280 You're you're you're? 1:23:43.760 --> 1:23:46.680 It would like like right now, you mean like like 1:23:47.160 --> 1:23:49.439 just in general, I thought that was the whole goal 1:23:49.560 --> 1:23:52.400 of a musician to make the stuff you want to hear, 1:23:52.640 --> 1:23:54.880 make the stuff that you would buy as a music 1:23:55.000 --> 1:23:57.160 Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, making the stuff that 1:23:57.240 --> 1:23:59.080 you want to hear, and pretty much, well, at least 1:23:59.080 --> 1:24:03.000 for me, just making the stuff that, you know, the 1:24:03.080 --> 1:24:05.599 stuff that I felt was missing, like a record that man, 1:24:05.640 --> 1:24:07.000 I wish I could buy this record. 1:24:07.240 --> 1:24:09.720 I make the record that I want to buy and uh, 1:24:09.920 --> 1:24:10.600 but but. 1:24:10.760 --> 1:24:12.280 I think it only gets to that point for me, 1:24:12.360 --> 1:24:13.920 like kind of going back what Tip was saying, why 1:24:14.000 --> 1:24:14.680 you're working on it. 1:24:15.720 --> 1:24:17.960 I don't listen to none of it. Yeah, it's like like, 1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:19.920 I don't, I haven't listened to this, Like when I 1:24:20.000 --> 1:24:22.280 put it out, I don't listen to it. And the 1:24:22.360 --> 1:24:24.479 only the only time I'll go through it is if 1:24:24.520 --> 1:24:28.160 I'm DJing, I'll listen to the ship because I really 1:24:28.240 --> 1:24:31.680 try to stay away from playing my own ship. But 1:24:33.360 --> 1:24:36.799 when you're reading a crowd or if you know, sometimes 1:24:36.840 --> 1:24:39.360 you may hit a little bit of it and then 1:24:39.800 --> 1:24:42.400 and then you see it work. You see your work 1:24:42.600 --> 1:24:45.920 in the context of other people in the club, just 1:24:46.000 --> 1:24:47.479 to bring it back to the DJ anything, and it 1:24:47.560 --> 1:24:49.720 makes you go, oh, what was the last record that 1:24:49.800 --> 1:24:51.439 you played yours in the club? And you was like, 1:24:51.560 --> 1:24:53.200 oh what you feeling? 1:24:54.520 --> 1:24:55.679 What? Yeah? 1:24:55.800 --> 1:24:58.000 Wow, see, now that's weird. 1:24:58.280 --> 1:25:04.880 I have a roule against playing our shit because every 1:25:04.920 --> 1:25:05.880 time I play the root. 1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:07.080 Ship is the fastest for. 1:25:10.880 --> 1:25:12.360 Yeah, I don't, I don't. 1:25:14.840 --> 1:25:17.599 But no, but I'm saying they got this already. 1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:23.519 It's already established that you're the establishment of that level. 1:25:23.800 --> 1:25:27.960 Like you know, there's at least five tribe songs that 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:32.200 are the mount rushmore go to songs of a party starter. 1:25:32.479 --> 1:25:35.480 So even when you were DJing, like is it embarrassing 1:25:37.000 --> 1:25:39.479 to play what's the captain obvious one like scenario. 1:25:39.520 --> 1:25:41.120 I don't play none of it obviously. 1:25:41.240 --> 1:25:44.760 So even when you were DJing in let's say nineteen ninety. 1:25:44.520 --> 1:25:47.679 Three and you put scenario on knowing the motherfucker's gonna 1:25:47.680 --> 1:25:49.200 go out, they mind like, is this still like a 1:25:49.240 --> 1:25:49.680 weird thing? 1:25:49.840 --> 1:25:51.639 Like yeah, I don't, I don't. 1:25:51.720 --> 1:25:52.320 I don't do that. 1:25:52.880 --> 1:25:56.000 I can't do that. I'll play Oh. 1:25:55.920 --> 1:25:57.320 You'll play some obscure sit. 1:25:57.560 --> 1:25:59.840 I'll play something more if, like especially if it's like 1:25:59.880 --> 1:26:03.840 a I have a groove rowing or whatever. Like let's say, okay, 1:26:03.960 --> 1:26:06.880 so what is somewhere like one hundred and five bp 1:26:07.120 --> 1:26:07.840 M or some ship. 1:26:07.880 --> 1:26:11.200 I know what you're going to say, what no, I 1:26:11.320 --> 1:26:12.320 was doing do it? Do it? 1:26:12.800 --> 1:26:15.200 I was going to say you you would probably play 1:26:20.160 --> 1:26:24.479 no footprints. I feel like you would play footprints a 1:26:25.160 --> 1:26:30.760 not club song. But okay, you taught me this term 1:26:30.920 --> 1:26:38.000 part of my French niggag drum. 1:26:38.280 --> 1:26:41.599 Drums, nigga drums dr. 1:26:44.640 --> 1:26:49.120 Drums. No, he's just it's just he taught me that term. 1:26:49.520 --> 1:26:53.479 He's just like it's like that's the secret. 1:26:53.600 --> 1:26:57.679 Like the music smooth, but the beat is so cracking 1:26:57.760 --> 1:27:01.160 and hard and just hard like it's it's it's like 1:27:01.400 --> 1:27:02.360 Freddy Fox. 1:27:02.240 --> 1:27:07.880 Punching you in the news. It's this ship over on 1:27:08.000 --> 1:27:12.880 top while like in my head, why was Freddy Fox? Yeah? 1:27:12.880 --> 1:27:15.439 The hip hop yeah, like damn it, like. 1:27:17.960 --> 1:27:20.880 We're getting a pound from busting rhymes, you know, like 1:27:21.479 --> 1:27:25.320 it's yeah, no, when Busted picks you up, it's you 1:27:25.400 --> 1:27:29.320 gotta hide your hands like him, him and the Angelo, 1:27:29.520 --> 1:27:33.000 Him and Angelo the harip like he pulls your finger 1:27:33.120 --> 1:27:34.400 like our things. 1:27:34.439 --> 1:27:37.800 But he did is relentless deal do it all night 1:27:37.960 --> 1:27:38.719 for two hours. 1:27:39.640 --> 1:27:43.400 Every since Primo said the same thing, he has like 1:27:43.520 --> 1:27:48.519 he adapted every two minutes. D M buster the reason 1:27:48.560 --> 1:27:51.880 why I get pounds down. They will pull your joints 1:27:51.880 --> 1:27:55.120 out of sockets, giving you a pounds so hard touch 1:27:55.200 --> 1:27:55.920 your manlihood. 1:27:56.200 --> 1:27:59.559 It's just now it's just pounds, man. It does. 1:28:01.080 --> 1:28:04.679 Jesus, I feel like each album is like nine hours 1:28:04.800 --> 1:28:08.240 worthy of right, Right, So we got any any any 1:28:08.280 --> 1:28:10.240 people's instinctive questions I missed? 1:28:12.720 --> 1:28:14.240 Well, I mean, I'm trying to think. 1:28:14.680 --> 1:28:16.960 I just remember this funny plate description of a fool 1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:20.680 because that was the first time I can recall my 1:28:21.360 --> 1:28:24.519 older cousin of mine pointing out to me that it 1:28:24.640 --> 1:28:26.280 was a sample because I didn't know. I didn't know 1:28:26.320 --> 1:28:29.320 the roy As record, and I remember him playing, you know, 1:28:29.560 --> 1:28:33.960 the typical old school y'all, all the y'all y'all stealing. 1:28:34.000 --> 1:28:34.479 That's still like. 1:28:39.080 --> 1:28:43.960 About this whole sample ship. I mean, and you guys 1:28:44.080 --> 1:28:50.880 know this. I mean there's fucking twelve notes, you know, right, 1:28:51.400 --> 1:28:54.920 And it's like you have different varying degrees of voicings 1:28:54.960 --> 1:28:57.839 and ship that you could use. So everybody has sampled 1:28:59.560 --> 1:29:03.720 Private Joy by Prince. Okay, did you play that real quick? 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:04.280 Just a little bit. 1:29:04.760 --> 1:29:10.720 We're not allowed to, Okay, I'm sorry, sorry, all right? 1:29:11.520 --> 1:29:12.679 Do you have uh. 1:29:14.840 --> 1:29:16.760 Frankie Valley who loves You pretty baby? 1:29:19.360 --> 1:29:26.240 Okay? You ain't got no Frankie Valley and nice reference. 1:29:27.080 --> 1:29:30.880 But my point is is that it's the same voicings, 1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:34.680 just different keys, you know what I mean, Like if 1:29:34.720 --> 1:29:37.920 you listen to them back to back, it's the same ship. 1:29:38.640 --> 1:29:42.000 Like it's like people, you. 1:29:42.040 --> 1:29:47.400 Know, I'm playing it. It's Frankie Valley. Yes, it's uh, 1:29:48.360 --> 1:29:50.960 who loves You by Frankie Valley in the four. 1:29:50.880 --> 1:29:59.960 Seasons, just the highlights and illustrate mine, it's Private Joy. 1:30:01.560 --> 1:30:02.439 I didn't realize that. 1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:16.679 Yeah, that's private joy. 1:30:17.360 --> 1:30:20.200 That is private joy, you know what I mean. I 1:30:20.360 --> 1:30:21.720 never realized that till now. 1:30:21.920 --> 1:30:28.040 It's like that that ship goes on. Some people can 1:30:28.160 --> 1:30:33.640 rearrange and revoice certain chords and you know, you know, 1:30:33.800 --> 1:30:38.240 reapproach the melodies and stuff like that, but sampling is 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:40.519 something that has been done for how many how many 1:30:40.600 --> 1:30:44.519 times you've heard the chord changes from Cherokee in regular Ship? 1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:46.479 You know what I'm saying, Like it's. 1:30:47.560 --> 1:30:48.280 Stupid, it is. 1:30:49.120 --> 1:30:52.320 Yeah, when y'all were in terms of you were talking 1:30:52.360 --> 1:30:54.560 about Juju, it's funny that you mention that because I 1:30:54.760 --> 1:30:57.720 always it makes total sense now hearing it that you 1:30:57.800 --> 1:31:01.400 and Juju ran together, because I always thought, like to 1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:03.800 use a stranger things reference. I always thought that the 1:31:03.840 --> 1:31:07.120 Beating Uts first album was like the upside down version 1:31:07.280 --> 1:31:11.240 of Midnight Marauders, Like that was a real Black Sea album. 1:31:11.360 --> 1:31:12.160 Oh man, it was. 1:31:13.320 --> 1:31:30.360 That is so they there you go, Joe, You're right, 1:31:31.000 --> 1:31:33.960 because I love I love days they and. 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:38.840 They don't get their props. Their sucking albums always fucking. 1:31:40.280 --> 1:31:44.559 Razy. There's no album that doesn't have like when. 1:31:44.479 --> 1:31:47.360 I first heard that fucking that Diamond Bird ship. 1:31:47.240 --> 1:31:47.680 That do. 1:31:49.920 --> 1:32:02.240 Do Do Do Do do do do just worked on like, 1:32:02.360 --> 1:32:05.120 how does that work with with ideas or whatever? Like 1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:07.240 have they ever worked on? 1:32:08.800 --> 1:32:08.840 No? 1:32:09.200 --> 1:32:10.080 We never like did that. 1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:12.679 The only thing we did was we started this group 1:32:13.280 --> 1:32:14.519 called the Fabulous Fleas. 1:32:17.000 --> 1:32:23.440 How far? How far did that go? Why didn't it materialize? 1:32:23.920 --> 1:32:26.240 I don't know. We had two records? 1:32:28.080 --> 1:32:31.000 Wait what wow? Exist actually made. 1:32:32.960 --> 1:32:34.760 Shout Out to Pass and I'm still waiting for my 1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:37.880 fabulous Fleas has a lot of ship, yes he does. 1:32:38.160 --> 1:32:41.599 He has a lot his wedding for free to get 1:32:41.640 --> 1:32:42.240 some fleas. 1:32:43.560 --> 1:32:43.680 Yo. 1:32:44.000 --> 1:32:45.719 He has a lot of stuff. 1:32:45.920 --> 1:32:46.280 He does. 1:32:46.680 --> 1:32:51.120 He is, he's going to low He's like, so yeah, 1:32:51.160 --> 1:32:55.240 that was the That was you know, Juju Man and 1:32:55.760 --> 1:33:00.600 Light and Less Sorry. And I remember when Fashion was 1:33:00.640 --> 1:33:02.799 with them for the first couple of joints, right, Fashion 1:33:02.920 --> 1:33:06.080 joined in the second because it was Fashion on the 1:33:06.160 --> 1:33:06.559 first one. 1:33:06.720 --> 1:33:08.840 He was on the first was the first, and then 1:33:08.920 --> 1:33:10.880 he left after no no, No, He was on the 1:33:10.960 --> 1:33:13.120 EP and then he was on the album and then 1:33:13.160 --> 1:33:14.479 he left when they did Street Level. 1:33:14.560 --> 1:33:16.680 That's because he did the God Connections. That's right. 1:33:16.760 --> 1:33:19.640 That's a couple of joints to Fashion is dope. And 1:33:19.760 --> 1:33:22.720 you talk about sampling. One thing I wanted to ask you, 1:33:22.880 --> 1:33:27.720 like from Marauders to Beats Rhymes in Life? How did 1:33:27.800 --> 1:33:30.080 the sampling laws like did it? Was it harder to 1:33:30.120 --> 1:33:32.320 sample at that time because Beat Rhymes Life had a 1:33:32.360 --> 1:33:33.840 lot more live stuff on it. 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:41.400 Especially didn't pay attention because this record, like I was 1:33:41.840 --> 1:33:44.280 bomb squad terry like so much. 1:33:44.360 --> 1:33:47.160 I was like, how do they clear they clear all 1:33:47.200 --> 1:33:47.800 this ship? Yeah? 1:33:47.920 --> 1:33:53.920 The laughing speaking of which, Uh, sir, come on, yes, sir, 1:33:54.920 --> 1:33:58.360 it is time for Uh, it's time for a moment. 1:34:00.520 --> 1:34:03.000 That's why I gave you a pen and paper. Uh, 1:34:03.160 --> 1:34:11.640 We're going through round one of so all right to 1:34:11.760 --> 1:34:13.960 be fair because I wasn't fair to Pete Rock when 1:34:14.000 --> 1:34:14.320 he did it. 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:17.640 Here we go. 1:34:19.200 --> 1:34:21.679 I'm gonna test your gangster. I'm gonna test a gangster 1:34:21.840 --> 1:34:22.600 on samples like. 1:34:22.640 --> 1:34:23.439 Gangster and gyle. 1:34:23.920 --> 1:34:25.200 Yeah, I'm gonna play you. 1:34:25.479 --> 1:34:27.840 I'm gonna lose this horrible No, you're not You're not. 1:34:28.240 --> 1:34:30.360 And because I'm gonna give it to you twice, I'm 1:34:30.360 --> 1:34:31.839 gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna. 1:34:31.600 --> 1:34:37.880 Play you a slew of samples and you name them ship. 1:34:38.160 --> 1:34:43.200 You ready, you can do better than me. Here we go. 1:34:43.960 --> 1:34:46.559 I'm gonna do this for you twice. Here's the first round. 1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:49.240 Name these two. You might want to have a pin 1:34:49.800 --> 1:34:50.880 because they're gonna come quick. 1:34:51.000 --> 1:34:54.120 Oh ship like that? You ready, yes, sir? 1:34:54.400 --> 1:35:12.639 Part one? Here we go. Oh man, Okay, Tip is singing, 1:35:12.680 --> 1:35:19.360 he's not writing. There you go my favorite song. 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:21.120 I'm not gonna I'm never gonna win. 1:35:21.320 --> 1:35:24.439 All right, you gotta get closer to close to the mic. 1:35:24.520 --> 1:35:26.680 I'm not gonna win. I got this too much. 1:35:26.720 --> 1:35:29.360 It's too quick. Yeah, because I was like, I'm not 1:35:29.439 --> 1:35:29.880 gonna do this. 1:35:29.960 --> 1:35:30.679 This is too crazy. 1:35:31.800 --> 1:35:33.880 It was like, this is this is this is a Stapley, 1:35:34.080 --> 1:35:34.679 this is a staple. 1:35:38.760 --> 1:35:39.559 Already, I'm ready. 1:35:40.840 --> 1:35:42.519 I'll give it to you one more time, and I 1:35:42.840 --> 1:35:48.840 write this this rite the art? Everybody, just right right? 1:35:48.920 --> 1:35:51.880 The artist? You don't song? I know he concocted this 1:35:52.000 --> 1:35:56.920 ship to come on now. It's fun, but you guess 1:35:57.000 --> 1:35:57.559 it is fun? 1:35:58.400 --> 1:36:00.599 All right, come on, all right you genus? 1:36:00.720 --> 1:36:05.600 Ready, all right, just named the artist. I don't know. 1:36:06.280 --> 1:36:07.680 I know that, I don't know. 1:36:11.600 --> 1:36:17.320 You know this don't know, I don't know. It's not 1:36:17.520 --> 1:36:19.839 enough for me. Eddie Kendricks. 1:36:20.360 --> 1:36:31.360 Okay, you're saying the song next? 1:36:38.280 --> 1:36:41.599 Is that Marbret Holmes no up titled uh. 1:36:45.720 --> 1:36:47.280 You know the song? Yeah? 1:36:48.800 --> 1:36:54.360 Bang guy that's a ship. Oh fuck is that for all? 1:36:59.640 --> 1:37:04.080 That's Hamilton bohand that's Brenda Russell. 1:37:04.280 --> 1:37:08.960 Okay, got a little bit. Okay, we missed Tyrone Davis 1:37:09.040 --> 1:37:15.280 and the brick Fun brick Fun, Yes, and uh our 1:37:15.439 --> 1:37:16.479 farmer soul sides. 1:37:16.920 --> 1:37:21.080 He does use that for the pussy. That was right exactly. Well, 1:37:21.160 --> 1:37:24.879 that's when he mentioned that. I was like the night Lighters. 1:37:25.960 --> 1:37:28.200 There you go and Detroit Emeralds. 1:37:28.520 --> 1:37:29.360 Detroit Emeralds. 1:37:30.560 --> 1:37:32.120 All right, so you you sort of guessed it. 1:37:32.280 --> 1:37:35.360 I'm sorry, it's Carl. 1:37:35.479 --> 1:37:37.680 Yeah, yeah, give me another one. 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:38.240 Do you have another? 1:37:38.840 --> 1:37:40.479 Yeah? Give me pete, give me pete. 1:37:40.479 --> 1:37:42.640 No, I got advanced rounds you. We'll get you a 1:37:42.680 --> 1:37:44.719 little bit later. You got advanced rounds. 1:37:44.960 --> 1:37:45.599 Give you a breather. 1:37:50.479 --> 1:37:55.080 So did you Were you satisfied? Were you satisfied with? 1:37:56.000 --> 1:38:00.400 How did you feel? The general reception was for the 1:38:00.520 --> 1:38:03.240 debut record going into the second record, like. 1:38:05.640 --> 1:38:07.720 You feel like I had a little bit of a 1:38:07.800 --> 1:38:11.599 chip on my shoulder coming from the like who chuck 1:38:11.800 --> 1:38:13.000 Eddie rolling Stone? 1:38:13.880 --> 1:38:14.880 The three star review? 1:38:15.320 --> 1:38:19.920 I never yeah, fuck you the fucker. And then that's 1:38:19.960 --> 1:38:22.760 what I slowly but surely got on my diet, of 1:38:22.840 --> 1:38:26.559 which I'm now practicing of trying to, you know, look 1:38:26.640 --> 1:38:29.439 at any kind of articles, of any kind of reviews, 1:38:30.040 --> 1:38:32.160 anything at all of good bad. I don't want to 1:38:32.200 --> 1:38:34.479 hear nothing because you know. 1:38:34.800 --> 1:38:36.880 You and I took it personally, that's weird. It's not 1:38:36.960 --> 1:38:40.479 even my record. And I to this day, Chuck is 1:38:40.520 --> 1:38:42.360 on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thing. He 1:38:43.120 --> 1:38:48.280 him and Alan Light profusely apologize. 1:38:48.040 --> 1:38:55.720 To you for it. I never I'm literally all right, 1:38:57.120 --> 1:38:58.840 I'm on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame board. 1:38:58.960 --> 1:39:02.880 So basically the Rolling Stone editors of the eighties and 1:39:02.920 --> 1:39:04.599 the nineties are in the same room. 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:05.200 Trust me. 1:39:05.600 --> 1:39:10.240 They realized that them reviewing hip hop ten years ago 1:39:10.360 --> 1:39:14.040 was the equivalent of a vegetarians review and chicken contest. 1:39:14.200 --> 1:39:16.120 Exactly what they need to make a statement, because that's 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:16.479 in a room. 1:39:16.800 --> 1:39:21.080 No, even with Alan without Allan Light has regrets over 1:39:21.120 --> 1:39:25.280 America's most wanted Chuck Eddie has regrets over People's Sea. 1:39:25.400 --> 1:39:30.160 He said it was the least danceable hip hop. 1:39:30.920 --> 1:39:33.439 Dude. When I read it, I was just because I 1:39:33.680 --> 1:39:34.799 got the Source review. 1:39:37.200 --> 1:39:40.360 Tribes debut record was the first album to get a 1:39:40.520 --> 1:39:44.040 five mic review in The Source in the summer of 1:39:45.160 --> 1:39:49.479 ninety and they because I had it already. They were 1:39:49.520 --> 1:39:52.320 saying everything I felt. I was like, wow, this is 1:39:52.439 --> 1:39:57.120 like real critics actually are reviewing. That's when I realized like, oh, 1:39:57.200 --> 1:39:59.639 the source might be onto something, being like our Bible. 1:40:00.200 --> 1:40:04.080 But then, because I was collecting all those Rolling Stone 1:40:04.560 --> 1:40:06.880 reviews on the back of. 1:40:07.160 --> 1:40:09.240 The who's the main review? 1:40:10.200 --> 1:40:13.920 It was someone else that I think was it Neil Young, 1:40:14.640 --> 1:40:16.920 I don't know if it was Freedom, whatever it was. 1:40:17.560 --> 1:40:21.760 Tribes was the thing on the back, and I was 1:40:21.880 --> 1:40:23.840 just like, how can critics be so out of touch? 1:40:23.920 --> 1:40:26.519 And then I realized, oh, there's a double standard between 1:40:27.280 --> 1:40:30.040 hip hop experts and rock experts. 1:40:29.840 --> 1:40:30.960 Like Solange and Brandy. 1:40:31.920 --> 1:40:34.320 Yeah, what happened with them? Unclear? 1:40:34.840 --> 1:40:42.120 Well, now Solange gave just due to Brandy's work and 1:40:42.600 --> 1:40:43.000 kind of the. 1:40:44.479 --> 1:40:50.040 Pitchforkian or John of John Cara, Yeah, John care I 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:51.640 can never get his I don't even know if I 1:40:51.680 --> 1:40:52.120 said it right. 1:40:52.200 --> 1:40:53.960 I think I think, yeah, you got right, John Caramonica. 1:40:54.320 --> 1:40:58.160 You know there's kind of there's kind of like a snarky. 1:40:57.880 --> 1:41:00.839 They said stop kaping for Brandy or something, yeah. 1:41:00.760 --> 1:41:04.519 Like basically right, yeah, like a snarky like what do 1:41:04.600 --> 1:41:07.160 you know about like real musical and Brandy's high art. 1:41:07.160 --> 1:41:09.720 To you that sort of thing, and she. 1:41:11.240 --> 1:41:17.000 Your record ship exactly so, but she did the slime 1:41:17.080 --> 1:41:20.240 sting got in the ass and yeah, you know, yeah exactly. 1:41:20.400 --> 1:41:22.280 So it's I remember when she was talking to me 1:41:22.360 --> 1:41:25.680 about doing the record she was mad about She was 1:41:25.760 --> 1:41:28.640 so mad that it was a little bit intelligible. So 1:41:31.040 --> 1:41:33.519 so it was I just like I was like looking 1:41:33.560 --> 1:41:33.920 at her. 1:41:33.840 --> 1:41:34.280 Too, like. 1:41:35.960 --> 1:41:38.840 On the ground, right, So she proposed to the idea 1:41:38.840 --> 1:41:40.240 of what the album was going to be before you 1:41:40.280 --> 1:41:44.280 got started working. Yeah, yeah, when she she came, that's 1:41:44.320 --> 1:41:46.080 the first thing, like she's like, come out of the 1:41:46.080 --> 1:41:48.360 studio whatever I want you hear some ideas, see what's up. 1:41:48.840 --> 1:41:53.519 And then like she gave me the pitch and Sampa 1:41:53.600 --> 1:41:55.639 is there too, and I'm looking at Sanfa like who 1:41:55.960 --> 1:42:02.720 met me? No, No, it's just like she was just 1:42:02.880 --> 1:42:06.040 like I wanted I'm making a manifesto and I'm tired 1:42:06.080 --> 1:42:06.479 of the ship. 1:42:06.760 --> 1:42:07.519 You with me or not? 1:42:10.840 --> 1:42:20.160 And I two three and falling, Like, dude, that's exactly 1:42:20.720 --> 1:42:28.640 like is that okay, you're joking, that's exactly what they 1:42:29.920 --> 1:42:33.240 playing record. Yeah, she knew what she wanted and was 1:42:33.360 --> 1:42:36.120 like she was not gripping me by like full force 1:42:36.600 --> 1:42:39.080 and crust groove to get the results. 1:42:39.680 --> 1:42:41.360 So I love the records you did on her too. 1:42:41.400 --> 1:42:42.240 That was my favoritejots. 1:42:43.479 --> 1:42:51.559 Her and I have about about ten records together. Yeah, 1:42:51.800 --> 1:42:54.880 and pub we were working on this ship and then 1:42:55.479 --> 1:42:57.880 she went to Raphael and and at one point she 1:42:58.000 --> 1:42:59.040 came back to me. 1:42:59.720 --> 1:43:00.720 She came back to me. 1:43:01.320 --> 1:43:06.120 But I've been working with Cilantro. I've always encouraged her 1:43:06.240 --> 1:43:09.479 to like go, like she's like a ded ded dear 1:43:09.640 --> 1:43:12.920 dear like that, like we come come to the crib 1:43:13.040 --> 1:43:15.880 cook type ship, like that's my sister right there. And 1:43:17.160 --> 1:43:20.600 I'm just really happy for her. So how good is 1:43:20.640 --> 1:43:25.960 that album? Maybe so fucking good, man, so good? And 1:43:26.439 --> 1:43:29.000 I'm so happy for her, you know, because it's like 1:43:30.200 --> 1:43:33.160 like just not to digress, but you know, obviously her 1:43:33.200 --> 1:43:38.280 sister is you know what I mean, And it must 1:43:38.360 --> 1:43:43.800 be you know, you know, nepotism aside. It must be 1:43:44.120 --> 1:43:50.639 hard to be. But she's so fucking hit and nailed 1:43:50.680 --> 1:43:53.439 her own voice here and stuck her foot in it, 1:43:53.640 --> 1:43:56.880 and it's just I'm just I'm just really happy for her. 1:43:57.000 --> 1:43:57.120 Man. 1:43:58.360 --> 1:44:03.280 I'm still clad for Salona. So happy. Well, that's why 1:44:03.320 --> 1:44:05.160 I wanted y'all clap with me, So it didn't sound like. 1:44:06.680 --> 1:44:06.880 Like that. 1:44:08.600 --> 1:44:13.519 So for you, it was like the chip on your 1:44:13.520 --> 1:44:16.720 shoulder was wait till they get a load of me. 1:44:17.000 --> 1:44:18.720 I always I see. I didn't know if you read 1:44:18.760 --> 1:44:21.439 your your like if you read reviews or not. 1:44:21.840 --> 1:44:25.240 And so when you had another little chip after this 1:44:25.360 --> 1:44:27.599 one too though, but I can't say what it is yet. 1:44:28.120 --> 1:44:33.400 But for low in theory, this new album, yeah, I 1:44:33.439 --> 1:44:34.120 don't know who. 1:44:34.080 --> 1:44:37.240 Refuted Well, it's not you know, it's I just. 1:44:40.360 --> 1:44:44.240 All right, what's the name of the periodical? Does it 1:44:44.280 --> 1:44:48.880 start with the pet mad? Is the rating good? You 1:44:48.960 --> 1:44:55.600 can do? Damn? Anyway? Because about three seconds this. 1:44:58.520 --> 1:44:59.200 Murder was it? 1:44:59.400 --> 1:45:01.439 Was it a mad? Was it a publication? Was it? 1:45:01.600 --> 1:45:04.600 Is it a peer? Was it like someone? It was 1:45:04.640 --> 1:45:06.599 like peer review kind of good questions? 1:45:08.439 --> 1:45:10.800 We're all good man, I'm just gonna fuel it into 1:45:10.840 --> 1:45:11.240 the music. 1:45:12.320 --> 1:45:13.200 There you bet? 1:45:13.680 --> 1:45:14.519 Monkey, stop your show? 1:45:15.600 --> 1:45:16.000 I'm sorry. 1:45:16.080 --> 1:45:16.920 Was that an aunt moment? 1:45:17.560 --> 1:45:24.080 That was such an an you got to bring some 1:45:24.160 --> 1:45:30.800 chicken in here for us? So was there a meeting 1:45:30.920 --> 1:45:33.559 or a manifesto of like what should we do this record? 1:45:33.640 --> 1:45:40.280 Or was just just like yeah, yeah, I think it was. 1:45:40.520 --> 1:45:44.840 It was more like, come on, fife, you know what 1:45:44.840 --> 1:45:49.560 I'm saying. And I was just like, yo, let's go. 1:45:50.520 --> 1:45:54.479 So was it that he didn't feel No, it was 1:45:54.600 --> 1:45:57.080 just even with the last record, like should he have? 1:45:57.360 --> 1:45:59.120 Was he late to a few sessions that like what 1:45:59.240 --> 1:46:01.599 song should a fight been on on on the first 1:46:01.640 --> 1:46:02.640 album that he wasn't on? 1:46:02.760 --> 1:46:04.640 There was just like all right, well you're not there, so. 1:46:10.280 --> 1:46:11.880 Probably go ahead and the ring rhythm? 1:46:12.800 --> 1:46:15.920 Uh, he should have been on going the. 1:46:15.960 --> 1:46:20.640 Ring Yeah rhythm, Uh, push it along. 1:46:22.800 --> 1:46:27.799 On that what it's time to decipher the situations. Situation 1:46:31.520 --> 1:46:32.960 you made me think I was crazy right now. 1:46:33.160 --> 1:46:37.759 I mean, I mean footprints he should have been okay, 1:46:38.560 --> 1:46:42.120 I mean it was a couple. But when we got 1:46:42.200 --> 1:46:44.800 we were gonna make low end theory, we was just 1:46:44.960 --> 1:46:48.880 like we need more of you with that, and were 1:46:49.000 --> 1:46:54.920 just like, Yo, now it's time to two. You know, 1:46:55.000 --> 1:46:57.000 we put all the colors on the canvas with the 1:46:57.040 --> 1:47:02.680 first album. Now it's time to go cubism, you know, 1:47:03.000 --> 1:47:10.200 like sharp, you know, distinct, exact like show now we 1:47:10.280 --> 1:47:12.759 got to show our lines, you know what I'm saying. 1:47:12.840 --> 1:47:15.800 So it was more it was more about that, and 1:47:16.320 --> 1:47:19.280 luckily the timing was just I mean, it wasn't our time, 1:47:19.320 --> 1:47:22.320 and it was just like the environment was kind of 1:47:22.400 --> 1:47:23.200 heading towards that. 1:47:24.520 --> 1:47:27.639 We'll also so you guys, like you broke it down 1:47:28.600 --> 1:47:29.439 more simple for. 1:47:31.439 --> 1:47:35.200 The people, Whereas like my idea of a tribe called 1:47:35.240 --> 1:47:38.120 Quest was definitely like whatever. The back cover of the 1:47:38.280 --> 1:47:42.920 Benita apple bum twelve inch was like, my version of 1:47:43.080 --> 1:47:48.559 tribe is the abstract kind of artsy looking kids whatever. 1:47:49.200 --> 1:47:53.559 Whereas now the same group, it's now on the Tarik 1:47:53.640 --> 1:47:55.759 side of the fence and just rocking. 1:47:56.080 --> 1:47:57.640 Because the first thing I noticed I was like, oh, 1:47:57.800 --> 1:48:01.400 they're rocking Champion right right. We started that. 1:48:01.760 --> 1:48:03.920 We kind of was doing that purposefully. 1:48:04.640 --> 1:48:04.840 I know. 1:48:05.000 --> 1:48:06.880 The time we got to the Cannot Kick A video, 1:48:07.000 --> 1:48:09.680 we was like, okay, now we gotta start. We got 1:48:09.800 --> 1:48:13.080 to start phasing it in fashion and fashion in it 1:48:13.560 --> 1:48:15.920 too as a precursor. 1:48:15.560 --> 1:48:16.960 You wanted to look like the people. 1:48:17.520 --> 1:48:20.479 Well yeah, well we came out like the first album 1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:23.920 was like about the first album was more about the 1:48:26.040 --> 1:48:33.320 the spirit and more about just philosophically kind of the thing. 1:48:33.600 --> 1:48:37.880 You know, the vastness, the all inclusiveness nature of the record, 1:48:38.720 --> 1:48:46.080 you know, the idealism, the youthfulness, the naivete, like it 1:48:46.160 --> 1:48:49.120 was important, you know much like if you look through 1:48:49.160 --> 1:48:52.200 phases of childhood, you know, it's important to keep a 1:48:52.320 --> 1:48:59.080 kid's imagination and intact and incited, and you know you 1:48:59.280 --> 1:49:01.400 definitely want to step in with certain lessons there, but 1:49:01.439 --> 1:49:03.800 you want to be more encouraging. So the spirit was 1:49:03.880 --> 1:49:07.320 more of a child spirit, whereas the Loewen theory was 1:49:07.400 --> 1:49:10.360 a little bit more of a coming of age, like 1:49:10.439 --> 1:49:16.639 I said, very specific, minimal like bare bones, like stripped 1:49:16.680 --> 1:49:20.559 down like that was like all purposeful, like discuss designed 1:49:20.960 --> 1:49:24.040 by the time we got to the Kannakika video, you know, 1:49:24.720 --> 1:49:31.680 mixing a little bit of kinta cloth with polo right like, 1:49:31.880 --> 1:49:34.559 and then full on by the time the album. 1:49:35.240 --> 1:49:39.240 For me, one of the most important musicians on the 1:49:39.280 --> 1:49:44.400 low end theory rock Carder No by Power. Oh well, yeah, 1:49:44.960 --> 1:49:51.160 so how did tell the story of how Bob came 1:49:51.200 --> 1:49:53.120 into uh to be? 1:49:53.439 --> 1:49:58.320 We were working in the studio Gilliope and Shane Farber 1:49:58.560 --> 1:50:02.080 was like the head engineer, right. There was another cat 1:50:02.439 --> 1:50:04.360 there too. They were all kind of like you know, 1:50:05.040 --> 1:50:09.800 rocker dudes, like real rock and roll whatever, and it 1:50:09.920 --> 1:50:15.679 was a beautiful studio and Shane was doing the Jungle Brothers, 1:50:15.760 --> 1:50:18.960 he was doing Bizz he was he was doing a 1:50:19.040 --> 1:50:21.800 lot right. So we started to work on our ship 1:50:21.840 --> 1:50:26.679 and this was the first album and I remember Africa 1:50:26.720 --> 1:50:29.200 and had to have a sub one day, like Shane 1:50:29.240 --> 1:50:31.840 couldn't do the session. So there was a guy in 1:50:31.920 --> 1:50:33.800 the back who would do jingles. He had like the 1:50:33.880 --> 1:50:35.120 perfect jingle voice. 1:50:35.280 --> 1:50:35.679 And then. 1:50:37.160 --> 1:50:43.400 And well before we get there, when you go into 1:50:43.520 --> 1:50:47.320 the lobby or into the front desk room of Calliope, 1:50:47.400 --> 1:50:49.280 they'd have all of their records that they that were 1:50:49.360 --> 1:50:52.320 done at the studio up on the wall, twelve inches 1:50:52.320 --> 1:50:55.240 and shit, one of them being Stetso Sonic Ghost Tetza. 1:50:56.320 --> 1:50:59.040 That was one of the Latin quart of staples. You 1:50:59.120 --> 1:51:01.080 know when that ship We'll come home with those fucking 1:51:01.200 --> 1:51:05.040 drums rumbling, It was a fucking problem. If you had 1:51:05.160 --> 1:51:07.680 anything on nice, you would want to hold on to it. 1:51:08.000 --> 1:51:11.439 All of that ships, the heart of the drum play, a. 1:51:11.400 --> 1:51:13.439 Little bit of the police. Are you trying to sinuate 1:51:13.560 --> 1:51:15.600 that the heart of the song? The more like. 1:51:17.479 --> 1:51:20.200 Yes, it was back then it was exciting for this, Yes, 1:51:20.360 --> 1:51:24.040 it was exciting. Really, it was like yes, because the 1:51:24.120 --> 1:51:26.360 d you know that that how do you say that? 1:51:26.520 --> 1:51:28.880 How does how do you say the jiff with the 1:51:29.040 --> 1:51:31.280 battle kid and he's standing with his glasses. 1:51:31.680 --> 1:51:34.760 It was like, yes, It's like, Yo, where do you go? Man? 1:51:35.400 --> 1:51:37.479 How do you find that jiff? Because I look for 1:51:37.560 --> 1:51:39.519 that jiff and can't. I don't know what you call it. 1:51:39.760 --> 1:51:42.640 I don't know battle rap really battle rap. 1:51:47.600 --> 1:51:49.080 So you heard ghost. 1:51:48.840 --> 1:51:51.679 Sets of by stets of Sonic in the Latin corner. 1:51:53.040 --> 1:51:56.720 So this was like your smells like spirit. This was 1:51:56.800 --> 1:51:59.120 your smells like teen spirit at the Latin Quarter. 1:52:00.240 --> 1:52:03.600 That record was so crazy that it inspired them to 1:52:03.720 --> 1:52:06.759 make this other cup came out the Mighty Mic Masters. 1:52:07.200 --> 1:52:08.320 You ever hear that no. 1:52:12.680 --> 1:52:20.160 Get you? Word feels like an answer record, the best 1:52:20.200 --> 1:52:20.799 that's kind. 1:52:22.360 --> 1:52:25.400 And that ship is banging to Freddy Freddy being Mighty 1:52:25.479 --> 1:52:26.560 Mic Masters. 1:52:26.320 --> 1:52:28.880 The Mighty Mic Masters. What's the name of the song? 1:52:29.080 --> 1:52:32.439 I think it's called word, It's just word. I'm the 1:52:32.520 --> 1:52:34.679 real McCoy, I'm the real play boy. 1:52:35.080 --> 1:52:41.360 Ladies man a door. Remember that it was on Tough City. 1:52:42.000 --> 1:52:50.519 Yeah, turn it up, turn refuge alert, Arnie. 1:52:54.920 --> 1:53:08.000 Oh man, that's day Swing. It's like hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 1:53:08.880 --> 1:53:17.080 this isn't a compression. Wow, this is what year? What 1:53:17.240 --> 1:53:18.240 year is this? What years? 1:53:18.280 --> 1:53:26.760 The pumpkin was on drums Pumpkin's a mother Pumpkin was 1:53:26.800 --> 1:53:28.479 the house rummer of Enjoy Records. 1:53:28.560 --> 1:53:36.599 Ladies, gentlemen, what what uh what Keith LeBlanc and Doug 1:53:36.640 --> 1:53:40.719 wyn Bush World sugar Hill Records. Nah, huh, Pumpkin. 1:53:43.360 --> 1:53:45.160 I always wanted to know where these drums came from 1:53:45.200 --> 1:53:48.519 on Swing a Lot King because I thought this was 1:53:49.400 --> 1:53:51.320 a prince like this is like a prince Ball beat 1:53:51.360 --> 1:53:54.560 to me, like every prince Ball beat my mind is this, 1:53:55.720 --> 1:53:57.080 And I thought he programmed it. 1:53:57.520 --> 1:53:59.560 I'm not saying that what studio was that done in? 1:54:00.280 --> 1:54:00.400 Uh? 1:54:00.640 --> 1:54:02.360 The information is not here. 1:54:02.600 --> 1:54:03.920 Wow, I wonder if that was done. 1:54:04.000 --> 1:54:08.439 Freddy be the Mighty on Aaron Fuchs Tough City. It 1:54:08.560 --> 1:54:10.040 was nineteen eighty six eight. 1:54:11.200 --> 1:54:14.559 It was crazy so Bob so I looked. I looked. 1:54:14.560 --> 1:54:16.559 I was like, wow, Stetsa because I remember always looking 1:54:16.600 --> 1:54:18.680 at the credits and it said recorded and mixed by 1:54:18.720 --> 1:54:23.720 Bob Power Jump cut two. You know the sub is 1:54:23.800 --> 1:54:27.200 in there and it's the engineer for Africa and for 1:54:27.280 --> 1:54:30.160 a session on Dumb by the Forces, I think, and 1:54:30.800 --> 1:54:32.840 you know the song I can't remember. 1:54:33.560 --> 1:54:35.680 I was about to say, it has to be doing 1:54:35.720 --> 1:54:39.720 our own thing. No jb'sh JB's coming through hard. 1:54:41.000 --> 1:54:44.840 It could be because that's one of the artist, it's 1:54:44.880 --> 1:54:48.400 one of the In terms of arrangements for hip hop songs, 1:54:48.480 --> 1:54:50.680 it's either the first or the second for me, Like 1:54:51.280 --> 1:54:54.240 like JB's coming Through. You listen to the fucking arrangement 1:54:54.360 --> 1:54:56.600 on that record and what's going on that ship is 1:54:56.760 --> 1:54:58.480 like a Queen record. 1:54:59.080 --> 1:55:02.040 Yes, insane is criminal. 1:55:02.120 --> 1:55:08.840 It's criminal. That was not even considered the first single off. 1:55:08.920 --> 1:55:12.680 I feel like, if that can't burrow my god this world, 1:55:13.160 --> 1:55:18.640 ye oh my god. They was, and the video of 1:55:18.720 --> 1:55:23.360 that ship could have made a difference. It could have 1:55:23.400 --> 1:55:25.280 made a difference. I swore it was going to be 1:55:26.720 --> 1:55:27.880 like I mean that. 1:55:28.000 --> 1:55:30.800 Ship is to this day, it's like because that was 1:55:30.880 --> 1:55:33.000 never an official single, was it? No? 1:55:33.720 --> 1:55:36.560 And then it was it was because the B side 1:55:36.600 --> 1:55:41.360 is what FOREL based nothing on for Norri the George 1:55:41.400 --> 1:55:42.720 Michael father figure. 1:55:46.320 --> 1:55:46.600 That was. 1:55:55.520 --> 1:56:02.440 You know, but that freaking so anyway, So this guy 1:56:03.280 --> 1:56:07.400 is like this engineer guys like recording vocals on Africa 1:56:08.680 --> 1:56:12.480 and he's like Africa's rapping rap rappings up. Then the 1:56:12.600 --> 1:56:15.280 engineer goes, oh, that's okay. 1:56:15.320 --> 1:56:16.120 I think that take was good. 1:56:16.120 --> 1:56:17.000 Did you want to get another one? 1:56:17.040 --> 1:56:17.480 Are you ready? 1:56:17.480 --> 1:56:20.440 To do another one, and as like, what the fuck 1:56:20.560 --> 1:56:24.840 is this motherfucker? He's like, okay, clear, stand by, Like 1:56:24.920 --> 1:56:28.040 he was just okay, clear, It's like this motherfucker sounded 1:56:28.040 --> 1:56:31.680 like a fucking an airline pilot associate that he would 1:56:31.680 --> 1:56:37.880 say or whatever the fuck right. So I liked his efficiency. 1:56:38.080 --> 1:56:40.280 I like the fact that he was just like on 1:56:40.520 --> 1:56:45.600 it and just accommodating and nice. Because Shane was a 1:56:45.680 --> 1:56:50.400 little old rocker guy, rough, little rough, a little rough, 1:56:50.560 --> 1:56:53.200 not old rocker guy. But he started because he had 1:56:53.200 --> 1:56:55.760 a few hits. He was doing the money ship. He 1:56:55.880 --> 1:56:58.560 was feeling himself, you know what I'm saying, and the 1:56:58.680 --> 1:57:01.800 most unlikely base with a bunch of black kids. 1:57:02.640 --> 1:57:03.879 So now he's balling. 1:57:04.360 --> 1:57:08.000 He's feeling the feeling himself. And Bob was just like okay. 1:57:08.920 --> 1:57:11.440 I was like, so then we had to have the 1:57:11.480 --> 1:57:13.560 session were supposed to use Shane, and Shane couldn't do 1:57:13.640 --> 1:57:16.080 it because I guess shame is in Costa Rica balling 1:57:17.720 --> 1:57:24.000 whatever regretful vacation yo. Sudden Bob Power was I was like, wait, 1:57:24.040 --> 1:57:27.840 didnute Bob Power? Is that the guy who was doing 1:57:27.920 --> 1:57:31.600 the Jungle Brothers session two days ago and the guy 1:57:31.640 --> 1:57:33.040 who did and he was like, yeah, I was like 1:57:33.120 --> 1:57:36.160 book them and that was it. Wow, that was it. 1:57:36.920 --> 1:57:38.640 Home since then ever since then. 1:57:41.200 --> 1:57:43.480 Was our second guest on the show. It's amazing, literally 1:57:43.680 --> 1:57:44.280 exact same that. 1:57:44.440 --> 1:57:46.880 Record, that's that's the sonic record. That was it and 1:57:47.040 --> 1:57:50.640 that was like and I saw him work because he 1:57:50.760 --> 1:57:51.000 and I. 1:57:51.240 --> 1:57:54.200 Like, that's how Like I wonder if say regrets it now, 1:57:54.560 --> 1:57:58.720 like in hindsight, if you didn't take that vacation like 1:57:59.280 --> 1:58:02.680 Shane could have on so much hip hop history because. 1:58:07.920 --> 1:58:10.480 He did just a friend, he did that stuff, Monies 1:58:10.560 --> 1:58:11.680 in the Middle, he did. 1:58:11.920 --> 1:58:14.560 But for a lot of the mid nineties, late nineties 1:58:14.640 --> 1:58:19.840 generation cats, like we all read the engineer credits to 1:58:19.880 --> 1:58:23.720 our favorite records and it was like Bypower, try by Powered, 1:58:23.800 --> 1:58:27.000 Daylight Soul. So that's who we rolled with, Like we 1:58:27.160 --> 1:58:31.400 wanted the person that sounded chrisp and clean. So how 1:58:32.720 --> 1:58:34.840 how many mixes would you go through? And I know 1:58:35.000 --> 1:58:38.120 how meticulous Bob is as an engineer, but for the 1:58:38.200 --> 1:58:42.960 low end theory to get the base frequency that fucking 1:58:43.160 --> 1:58:47.120 loud and to get the snare drum that like, to 1:58:47.240 --> 1:58:50.320 get the the the base frequencies that you guys use 1:58:50.600 --> 1:58:53.760 and the snares that you guys use and the voices 1:58:54.120 --> 1:58:58.520 and you guys don't have Chuck d Preacher voices. So 1:58:59.480 --> 1:59:02.920 to get it thirty three and a third of the 1:59:03.400 --> 1:59:07.320 base with the kick, the snare to punch through and 1:59:07.480 --> 1:59:12.560 your voices which aren't Teddy Pendergrass. It's none of that 1:59:12.640 --> 1:59:20.960 ship that was good. But I'm just saying, what was 1:59:21.160 --> 1:59:24.080 what was the mixing process? Like, I mean, how much 1:59:24.160 --> 1:59:27.480 damage did y'all do to Well? I know, first of all, 1:59:27.800 --> 1:59:30.800 if you know by power, he never uses the big speakers, 1:59:30.880 --> 1:59:35.360 So that's even like he mixes everything on like clock 1:59:35.520 --> 1:59:37.640 radio status like the worst speaker. 1:59:37.880 --> 1:59:41.400 Well because these everybody, if you if you sound good 1:59:41.440 --> 1:59:43.760 on that, that was his big rule. 1:59:44.120 --> 1:59:48.200 Like and I to this day he's so right because 1:59:48.240 --> 1:59:49.320 if you could if. 1:59:49.200 --> 1:59:51.880 You get it sounds great. 1:59:52.040 --> 1:59:54.600 You're here and you hear everything and it's in articulation, 1:59:54.760 --> 1:59:58.160 and you know that you're seventy five there and he 1:59:58.200 --> 2:00:01.320 will always say so being at you. You hear everything, 2:00:01.920 --> 2:00:05.080 then it's about what you know the person, what kind 2:00:05.120 --> 2:00:07.720 of personality you wanted to have, Like so if if 2:00:07.760 --> 2:00:10.400 it's going for this or that, he he leans more 2:00:10.480 --> 2:00:14.200 to what's naturally their sonically, you know what I mean. 2:00:14.840 --> 2:00:15.920 So how did y'all achieve that? 2:00:16.080 --> 2:00:20.760 Because as simple as the record sounds drums, bass, voice, 2:00:21.440 --> 2:00:25.600 minimum samples, that is some hard ship to achieve to 2:00:25.720 --> 2:00:29.120 be that loud. It's it's louder than the average hip 2:00:29.160 --> 2:00:32.640 hop record. Like you take an album like Nation and Millions, Yeah, 2:00:32.680 --> 2:00:36.120 and which is crammed with everything, and it's it's not 2:00:36.240 --> 2:00:39.840 really loud though, but it's loud. It's not heavy, it's light. 2:00:40.200 --> 2:00:42.800 It's it's loud in the in the high end sense 2:00:42.840 --> 2:00:43.200 of the word. 2:00:43.320 --> 2:00:45.000 But do you feel like it has a lot of compression? 2:00:45.120 --> 2:00:45.760 Takes a Nation. 2:00:45.760 --> 2:00:49.839 Milly a lot, right, Yes, So how did you guys loudness? 2:00:49.920 --> 2:00:53.120 How did you guys achieve that? Because that's some hard Bob. 2:00:53.120 --> 2:00:58.440 Because Bob, I mean, his thing is about placement too, 2:00:59.280 --> 2:01:05.240 Like a guitar should kind of naturally be in like anywhere. 2:01:05.640 --> 2:01:08.720 If it's a rhythm guitar, it shouldn't naturally be in 2:01:08.920 --> 2:01:12.880 kind of like a you know, low mid, the bottom 2:01:13.000 --> 2:01:15.320 end of a low mid, so anywhere from like three hundred, 2:01:16.240 --> 2:01:18.640 you know, up to kind of maybe like Bob was 2:01:18.680 --> 2:01:22.240 so scientific with it, you know too, you know, it 2:01:22.280 --> 2:01:25.600 should be there, and then the bass has its section 2:01:26.000 --> 2:01:29.520 like depending that he was more about the natural placement 2:01:29.640 --> 2:01:32.640 of music and vocals and the sections of it, not 2:01:32.800 --> 2:01:36.040 too much compressions. And he really liked to use a 2:01:36.200 --> 2:01:40.320 lot of you know going through like we we worked 2:01:40.400 --> 2:01:43.080 on that on the blow and there you worked on 2:01:43.160 --> 2:01:48.280 the John Lennon Eve that was in battery. What Yeah, 2:01:48.280 --> 2:01:49.040 that was in battery. 2:01:49.240 --> 2:01:50.600 Damn, that was before my time. 2:01:51.400 --> 2:01:54.960 That was I was in studio b really, So we 2:01:55.040 --> 2:01:57.880 did a lot of shit going through that Neve and 2:01:57.960 --> 2:02:01.040 then we wind up mixing in a on the SSL. 2:02:02.480 --> 2:02:05.520 So the actual recording of it, the ship I was 2:02:05.600 --> 2:02:08.280 giving him, I was giving him, So. 2:02:08.400 --> 2:02:11.960 You would record that battery on in the b room. Yeah, 2:02:13.360 --> 2:02:14.760 do you miss going to battery just. 2:02:14.760 --> 2:02:17.280 To feel Yeah, it was fun. 2:02:18.400 --> 2:02:21.800 Like when did y'all go, because y'all was We started 2:02:22.520 --> 2:02:25.520 December of ninety three, so. 2:02:27.360 --> 2:02:27.960 What's weird? 2:02:28.720 --> 2:02:30.800 Was Okay, the first joint y'all did. Y'all did home? 2:02:31.080 --> 2:02:31.200 Right? 2:02:31.760 --> 2:02:35.720 Well, we did organics home at some spot in Nepolis, 2:02:36.240 --> 2:02:36.959 great studios. 2:02:37.120 --> 2:02:38.600 Well that was like in the grid. We didn't know 2:02:38.600 --> 2:02:39.240 what we were doing. 2:02:39.920 --> 2:02:44.080 So all of Christmas of nineteen ninety three, and this 2:02:44.240 --> 2:02:47.000 before automation. This is on two inch tapes, so like 2:02:48.120 --> 2:02:50.760 you know, I would regretfully, like the guys would get 2:02:50.800 --> 2:02:52.440 mad at me if I'd say, like, okay, I want 2:02:52.480 --> 2:02:56.200 to echo on this part, which would mean that Bob 2:02:56.240 --> 2:03:00.520 would rewind rewind, and you know when you rewind the 2:03:00.600 --> 2:03:04.800 tape that's already ninety seconds worth of time. Now we're 2:03:05.280 --> 2:03:08.560 trying to perfect it. Any any request I had of 2:03:08.640 --> 2:03:10.800 Bob Power was a twenty minute exercise. 2:03:11.520 --> 2:03:17.440 So we're taking eight to nine hours per song per day. 2:03:17.680 --> 2:03:20.960 And you know we were used to just knocking shit 2:03:21.000 --> 2:03:23.400 out like okay, now song's done, but now it's like 2:03:24.280 --> 2:03:27.000 but Bob explaining like this is the meticulous process. 2:03:26.680 --> 2:03:29.040 And guys, I need some quiet. If you guys want 2:03:29.080 --> 2:03:31.440 to talk, please guys go another room. 2:03:32.040 --> 2:03:32.840 Did you hear that a lot? 2:03:32.920 --> 2:03:33.560 Did you hear that a lot? 2:03:33.640 --> 2:03:34.840 I said that a lot? Boss Bill. 2:03:35.080 --> 2:03:37.720 Boss Bill has alerted me to the fact that what's 2:03:37.800 --> 2:03:42.560 the website all Music All Music or discocks When you 2:03:42.640 --> 2:03:47.040 go to discogs and you look up someone's information. Because 2:03:47.320 --> 2:03:51.280 I gave Bob a new moniker title for each song, 2:03:51.400 --> 2:03:53.000 it would be like mixed by Bob. 2:03:53.160 --> 2:03:54.840 Guys, you really must take this in the break room. 2:03:54.960 --> 2:04:00.120 Power he has over he has over like sixty his 2:04:00.240 --> 2:04:03.280 credits guys. Really, I left you, guys some food in 2:04:03.320 --> 2:04:04.840 the fridge. Go check it out. Why I mix this 2:04:04.920 --> 2:04:09.720 song like literally, yeah, Bob was you it must be quiet? 2:04:09.760 --> 2:04:12.160 There was no like, none of that, none of the 2:04:12.200 --> 2:04:14.560 ship that I thought was going to happen when you 2:04:14.680 --> 2:04:17.960 make a rap record, like girls and parties and all 2:04:18.000 --> 2:04:20.440 that stuff. None of that was going on at Root sessions, 2:04:20.520 --> 2:04:23.040 like we were quiet and and focused. 2:04:23.400 --> 2:04:27.640 Guys. I just need a little bit of quiet, please, Tip, 2:04:27.640 --> 2:04:29.440 Why don't you come in and take a little you know, I. 2:04:31.080 --> 2:04:33.760 You know, I know it didn't get right right exactly. 2:04:34.280 --> 2:04:37.480 He would talk you down in a non condescending in 2:04:37.520 --> 2:04:39.360 a way you feel like, yeah, you are doing this 2:04:39.440 --> 2:04:41.880 for the greater good, Bob. Okay, let me take all 2:04:41.920 --> 2:04:45.160 this weed and hookers and the right right right right right, 2:04:49.880 --> 2:04:51.800 all right. Well, at this rate, I'll be lucky to 2:04:51.840 --> 2:04:52.680 get the Midnight Maran. 2:04:52.880 --> 2:04:55.640 We gotta gets now, let's come on, all right, so look, 2:04:56.640 --> 2:04:57.280 so look. 2:04:59.320 --> 2:04:59.560 For me. 2:05:00.080 --> 2:05:03.400 Know this is nerd facts, but it should be noted. 2:05:04.240 --> 2:05:07.680 It should be noted that, uh, I feel like the 2:05:07.760 --> 2:05:14.800 scenario remix ushered in well, the chopping of the chopping 2:05:14.840 --> 2:05:20.040 of Blind Alley and what it represented. I felt like 2:05:20.360 --> 2:05:26.000 that was the most influential move that you guys did 2:05:26.120 --> 2:05:28.080 as producers, because. 2:05:27.800 --> 2:05:28.640 Pretty soon. 2:05:30.080 --> 2:05:34.920 When Kats heard Blind Alley chopped in a way okay, 2:05:34.960 --> 2:05:38.160 I'm speaking of the emotions Blind. 2:05:37.880 --> 2:05:43.360 Alley ain't no half step in being yeah, all these 2:05:43.400 --> 2:05:47.880 songs and you brought it back for phony rappers on uh. 2:05:51.520 --> 2:05:56.120 So to to chop it up in a way in which. 2:05:57.600 --> 2:06:00.080 I feel like producers were like, wait a minute, you 2:06:00.120 --> 2:06:03.160 don't have to play the complete four bar phrase of 2:06:03.560 --> 2:06:04.240 a drum. 2:06:04.080 --> 2:06:04.680 Weekend now. 2:06:06.720 --> 2:06:09.600 That that you know, just to interrupt that happened on 2:06:09.720 --> 2:06:12.920 check the rhyme. Actually, because I remember having a conversation 2:06:13.120 --> 2:06:18.040 with Large because prior to this, and this is not 2:06:18.200 --> 2:06:20.240 like me trying to do none of that ship but 2:06:20.480 --> 2:06:23.800 just on some like producers ship, geeky whatever. But I 2:06:23.880 --> 2:06:26.760 remember having a conversation with Large Professor, and I was like, Yo, 2:06:27.960 --> 2:06:29.920 those drums on the ep m D album. You know 2:06:30.000 --> 2:06:31.080 that E P m D song? 2:06:33.440 --> 2:06:34.720 Uh it was. 2:06:37.920 --> 2:06:41.240 The Hydro It was on their album, right, and they 2:06:41.320 --> 2:06:44.040 had the whole loop just playing, and I had the 2:06:44.200 --> 2:06:47.200 I had the record and I remember just wait, you 2:06:48.200 --> 2:06:56.800 remember yo. I remember just playing it and I was like, yo, Paul, Yo, 2:06:57.880 --> 2:07:00.760 I could just get half a bar. All these drums 2:07:00.840 --> 2:07:03.440 they're naked right here, and I can extend it. 2:07:05.680 --> 2:07:06.720 He was like what you mean. 2:07:06.920 --> 2:07:10.640 I was like, yo, listen, and it was like, doom. 2:07:10.520 --> 2:07:26.720 Do do forgive me? Do this Hydra Washington Jr. 2:07:27.640 --> 2:07:29.160 And then I just took an extra and then I 2:07:29.240 --> 2:07:31.520 took an extra kick off of the mini rip he 2:07:31.800 --> 2:07:33.400 put it, and I was like, Yo, look at this kick. 2:07:33.600 --> 2:07:36.000 Just translate for me. I'm just having a moment. 2:07:36.480 --> 2:07:41.280 Yeah, that was the first time. Yeah, you could take 2:07:41.440 --> 2:07:48.920 half of a half a half a bar. Like it 2:07:49.080 --> 2:07:52.000 wasn't that wasn't being done, you know what I'm saying. 2:07:52.120 --> 2:07:53.880 So it was just like you would get the loop 2:07:54.000 --> 2:07:56.760 and loop it, or you'd have a program still to 2:07:56.880 --> 2:07:59.320 that point. But to realize that you could just get 2:07:59.320 --> 2:08:01.160 a little fun peace and extended. 2:08:01.200 --> 2:08:06.840 I was like, oh, Ship, it was so weird that 2:08:06.960 --> 2:08:09.880 you said that, because when you said check the rhyme, 2:08:10.000 --> 2:08:12.120 I was gonna say, well, that doesn't count to because 2:08:12.160 --> 2:08:13.640 no one knows what those drums are anyway. 2:08:14.400 --> 2:08:18.440 We know them all alone, all right, Philadelphia's own Grove, 2:08:18.600 --> 2:08:24.640 Washing Bosville Just go Sie Sie. 2:08:24.960 --> 2:08:28.280 Side note Lewis Johnson and the Brothers. Johnson is playing 2:08:28.440 --> 2:08:34.000 base and Steve, you are the master. 2:08:33.840 --> 2:08:35.200 Of all things. Cree Taylor. 2:08:35.480 --> 2:08:39.560 Uh oh, yes, kudo, Yes, what what album is? 2:08:39.600 --> 2:08:39.640 It? 2:08:41.240 --> 2:08:41.360 Is it? 2:08:41.560 --> 2:08:42.200 Feeling so good? 2:08:42.560 --> 2:08:47.920 Feel so good? Damn mm hmm. 2:08:50.120 --> 2:08:50.520 Mm hmm. 2:08:53.600 --> 2:09:00.760 Papa love it? Play check the rhyme I will. 2:09:01.000 --> 2:09:03.600 I would still love to flip it, show our listeners 2:09:04.120 --> 2:09:05.280 exactly I was made. 2:09:05.360 --> 2:09:07.480 But you know I can hear it. They can hear it, 2:09:07.480 --> 2:09:15.480 because yes, if you couldn't hear poison, if Auntie can 2:09:15.520 --> 2:09:15.720 hear it? 2:09:17.440 --> 2:09:22.440 Yo, where was where was Creed Tailor's studio at Creed 2:09:22.520 --> 2:09:25.520 Taylor Studio the ct I like, where did he cut 2:09:25.640 --> 2:09:27.960 Rudy van Gelder? Oh he cut it. He cut it 2:09:28.040 --> 2:09:28.760 in Englewood. 2:09:28.920 --> 2:09:31.960 Everything there, yeah, all at ct I she was cut. 2:09:35.560 --> 2:09:38.400 I wouldn't do that, all right, just for tip, I'll 2:09:38.640 --> 2:09:44.480 do it right now, Thank you, thank you, You're welcome. 2:09:45.000 --> 2:09:46.080 Now I forgot what I was looking for. 2:09:46.640 --> 2:09:51.560 The kudoo stuff too, mainly over there, some stuff at electrically. Actually, 2:09:51.800 --> 2:09:54.480 I realized that it should be a museum. The reason 2:09:54.520 --> 2:09:56.240 why it was taking me so long was because I 2:09:56.320 --> 2:09:57.520 forgot that rhyme was spelled. 2:10:00.080 --> 2:10:01.800 They cut Love Supreme in that room. 2:10:03.200 --> 2:10:06.880 They cut all that blue note. You know, all blue note. 2:10:07.680 --> 2:10:08.080 I hear. 2:10:09.800 --> 2:10:13.360 Yeah, boom boom, boom boom. It's fucking amazing. 2:10:19.240 --> 2:10:23.080 Speaking of speaking of that, speaking of the remix, Yeah, 2:10:23.120 --> 2:10:27.000 speaking of the remix, Uh, where did Hood come from? 2:10:27.760 --> 2:10:33.680 The Hood was through on my Way, you know street k. 2:10:33.800 --> 2:10:35.520 He was in and out of group homes. He was 2:10:36.120 --> 2:10:40.040 really trying to get it together, and I was looking 2:10:40.160 --> 2:10:44.160 forward to working with him because kind of pre dating, 2:10:44.680 --> 2:10:49.760 you know, a Redman or b I G like, I 2:10:49.880 --> 2:10:53.040 thought that, like he kind of occupies something that I 2:10:53.120 --> 2:10:55.800 hadn't heard in about, like a real, real street energy 2:10:55.880 --> 2:11:00.120 that was now but it was just real like he 2:11:00.200 --> 2:11:04.320 has he has rhms man. He was dope, and unfortunately 2:11:04.400 --> 2:11:07.560 I was the only he was from Hollis. I was 2:11:07.640 --> 2:11:10.840 the only joint that he got to do. He didn't 2:11:10.840 --> 2:11:12.800 even get to see that come out. 2:11:13.400 --> 2:11:17.840 Oh damn. How long was his demise after Well. 2:11:17.760 --> 2:11:20.160 After we did the record, he was murdered. I think 2:11:21.000 --> 2:11:23.280 the week after damn Jesus. 2:11:23.480 --> 2:11:27.760 Okay, So how many versions of scenario are there? And 2:11:28.120 --> 2:11:30.360 why did it go through so many drafts before we 2:11:30.520 --> 2:11:33.480 wound up with the final version that we have. 2:11:34.240 --> 2:11:39.440 I think there's like one which is original two. 2:11:40.000 --> 2:11:41.440 Do you know who was on each version. 2:11:43.320 --> 2:11:46.680 No, I know, there's a there's one version with us 2:11:47.760 --> 2:11:54.200 again with there's one there actually four. There's the riginal, 2:11:54.280 --> 2:11:57.600 there's the one that's out. Then there's another version with 2:11:58.480 --> 2:12:00.320 all of us who were on the record, with just 2:12:00.440 --> 2:12:04.440 different placement in different little versions. 2:12:05.240 --> 2:12:07.920 So there's this different way Busted doesn't end the song and. 2:12:09.720 --> 2:12:15.240 He does, yeah, something something different. It was a rough 2:12:15.320 --> 2:12:17.440 about it. I don't know if he didn't end it, 2:12:17.840 --> 2:12:19.760 but I know it's a different rap a little bit. 2:12:20.400 --> 2:12:23.800 Then there's another version with Jirobi. 2:12:25.880 --> 2:12:26.960 And pass. 2:12:28.120 --> 2:12:31.720 On it and right that, and then there's another version 2:12:31.880 --> 2:12:36.680 with Dress pause and Chris Lady. 2:12:40.480 --> 2:12:42.720 Like, this is our moment. Let let's not mess this 2:12:42.880 --> 2:12:43.120 up for. 2:12:43.520 --> 2:12:45.400 I already knew that it was going to be the 2:12:45.480 --> 2:12:45.920 first one. 2:12:47.720 --> 2:12:49.600 So the album version is the first one. 2:12:50.160 --> 2:12:51.880 Yeah, I already knew that that was going to be it. 2:12:52.120 --> 2:12:55.200 Wait a minute, let me make sure this straight. The 2:12:55.320 --> 2:13:00.640 version that's on the album, Yes, was done completely as 2:13:00.760 --> 2:13:04.480 we know it. And you're saying that there was a 2:13:04.600 --> 2:13:07.080 discussion like we could do better. 2:13:07.440 --> 2:13:10.680 We did that and I kind of knew what it was. 2:13:10.840 --> 2:13:13.680 But everybody was in there and heard it and heard 2:13:13.720 --> 2:13:15.880 about it was like run on it. 2:13:18.000 --> 2:13:22.080 Yes, So here's the other million dollar questions and you 2:13:22.160 --> 2:13:22.720 know what's coming. 2:13:23.320 --> 2:13:23.800 Mm hmmm. 2:13:24.200 --> 2:13:28.640 Why wasn't Daylight on every any tribe records and award tour? 2:13:28.640 --> 2:13:30.760 It doesn't count, you know. 2:13:32.960 --> 2:13:33.680 I wanted. 2:13:35.520 --> 2:13:37.560 Fantasy in our minds. No, no, no, no, no no. 2:13:38.320 --> 2:13:42.920 The first thing I wanted to do. I had a 2:13:43.080 --> 2:13:47.400 record called Native Tongues for the first album and it 2:13:47.600 --> 2:13:52.200 sampled Pride and Vanity by Ohio Players. I still have 2:13:52.280 --> 2:13:57.120 to beat actually, but and I played it. I told 2:13:57.200 --> 2:13:59.280 Daylight and Jungles that come by. I got the I 2:13:59.320 --> 2:14:02.680 got the record for all us. And then I had 2:14:02.920 --> 2:14:08.320 like on Instinctive Travels ship right, and so then I 2:14:08.480 --> 2:14:11.880 was playing it and passing him was like, you know, mercy, 2:14:13.680 --> 2:14:16.640 you know, listen to a dude. That ship day was 2:14:16.800 --> 2:14:20.080 just to see it. So and then because when we 2:14:20.280 --> 2:14:22.560 walked in, when they walked in, we were working on 2:14:22.640 --> 2:14:25.640 mister Muhammad oh man. It was the first tam he 2:14:25.760 --> 2:14:27.280 heard it and he was like, I was like. 2:14:27.360 --> 2:14:30.200 Yo, that that's hype. That's the hype. That's the hype. 2:14:30.240 --> 2:14:32.280 He kept saying, that's like yo, But let me play 2:14:32.320 --> 2:14:33.880 you the beat for Native Tongue, and it's all like 2:14:34.040 --> 2:14:46.280 do do do, dude, and where, And he was like, no, 2:14:46.440 --> 2:14:49.440 we're gonna rob on the other one. I was like, nah, 2:14:49.560 --> 2:14:52.200 that's mister morass. At least joined now, y'all not roming 2:14:52.280 --> 2:14:53.160 on that. It's this one. 2:14:53.920 --> 2:14:56.160 No, fuck that other one. 2:14:56.280 --> 2:14:58.760 Come on, y'all, come on, pause, come on, come on, 2:14:58.880 --> 2:14:59.240 let's do it. 2:15:00.120 --> 2:15:01.640 We rubbing the other world. 2:15:02.880 --> 2:15:10.400 And I was looking at him. I was like, I 2:15:10.520 --> 2:15:15.760 was like, well, this is a rhyme on it, so 2:15:15.920 --> 2:15:16.880 that would never happen. 2:15:17.920 --> 2:15:21.000 Then, well that doesn't count. 2:15:21.400 --> 2:15:25.200 Yeah, that doesn't count. I was that was the one 2:15:25.800 --> 2:15:29.600 chance I believe other than a war tour and the 2:15:30.120 --> 2:15:31.760 scenario things, you. 2:15:31.840 --> 2:15:35.520 Know, because like every native tongue entry has their own 2:15:35.640 --> 2:15:38.760 native tongue posse cut on it, and. 2:15:40.480 --> 2:15:43.160 It never happened on a tribe record. And I just. 2:15:44.800 --> 2:15:50.080 All right, so Midnight there's a there's a version of 2:15:50.440 --> 2:15:52.160 Midnight with. 2:15:52.680 --> 2:15:56.360 Ad Rock on it. The night is on my mind. 2:15:56.600 --> 2:15:58.720 Yeah, But before it was even that, it was just 2:15:58.840 --> 2:16:02.040 a beat over there. 2:16:02.880 --> 2:16:05.920 Wow, I just found that ship. Uh, the George Juke 2:16:06.000 --> 2:16:10.680 Jordan m hm, wow, ah, don't make me figure out 2:16:10.720 --> 2:16:11.080 what it is? 2:16:12.080 --> 2:16:12.440 The aura? 2:16:14.080 --> 2:16:14.280 Ah? 2:16:15.360 --> 2:16:20.360 Is it? Okay? Yes, that's it? You sure you found it? 2:16:20.720 --> 2:16:20.920 Well? 2:16:21.080 --> 2:16:25.120 I knew I was on it because it felt familiar. 2:16:25.160 --> 2:16:27.240 I didn't figure out which cord y'all used, but it. 2:16:27.280 --> 2:16:29.480 Was just who was the voice for the tour guide 2:16:30.680 --> 2:16:33.440 Rest in peace? Laurel Dan She just passed last year. 2:16:33.680 --> 2:16:34.640 Oh man, she was. 2:16:35.959 --> 2:16:41.520 She was the production coordinator at Jive. Sweet lady, like 2:16:41.760 --> 2:16:47.400 just super nice and oh man, she was white, white, Yeah, 2:16:47.480 --> 2:16:50.360 but she was super cool. Man Like, I feel like 2:16:52.760 --> 2:16:53.400 she was dope. 2:16:53.520 --> 2:16:55.520 And how did y'all eq her voice to make it 2:16:55.640 --> 2:16:56.000 sound like that? 2:16:56.280 --> 2:16:57.720 You know, we just wanted to make it sound like 2:16:57.800 --> 2:17:01.280 a computer or phone something like that, something that was 2:17:01.400 --> 2:17:04.240 just that didn't funk with the other frequencies and ship. 2:17:04.600 --> 2:17:08.000 You know, this is the voice on your Yeah. I 2:17:08.000 --> 2:17:10.840 remember writing all of that ship out for her and 2:17:10.959 --> 2:17:13.440 telling her say it like this, No, no, say it 2:17:13.560 --> 2:17:16.000 like this. And I was like, Okay, now, Bob, you 2:17:16.040 --> 2:17:18.040 gotta chop it. I know, I know, Tip, I know, 2:17:18.240 --> 2:17:18.440 I know. 2:17:18.840 --> 2:17:19.200 So he was. 2:17:20.120 --> 2:17:23.080 I was. I was more excited about that than anything 2:17:23.120 --> 2:17:25.640 else on the record. I said, Okay, got it, got 2:17:25.920 --> 2:17:27.880 exactly Tip, I know. 2:17:29.360 --> 2:17:33.160 And hard computer? How do you do that? 2:17:33.280 --> 2:17:33.400 Ye? 2:17:33.640 --> 2:17:35.600 Like he's chopping it, like you mean, like on actual 2:17:35.680 --> 2:17:37.119 real he's chopping a voice. 2:17:37.959 --> 2:17:43.040 That was done on tape. 2:17:43.800 --> 2:17:46.280 Mm hmm, yeah. 2:17:47.120 --> 2:17:49.800 She would say, oh no, no, no no no no no, 2:17:49.920 --> 2:17:53.560 no no no, I gotta ask Bob. I can't remember. 2:17:53.760 --> 2:17:56.360 I wanted to say it was either done tape or 2:17:56.400 --> 2:17:59.200 it was a or it was samples and I would 2:17:59.240 --> 2:18:02.360 fire off this sample, the fire off the sample for 2:18:02.440 --> 2:18:05.800 the next phrase, like I am on the front of 2:18:05.920 --> 2:18:10.080 your album cover and then yeah, you're about to you know, 2:18:12.640 --> 2:18:15.720 I tried quest, you know, I think it was. 2:18:15.760 --> 2:18:19.800 That cute tip. Was that the first time? So you 2:18:19.959 --> 2:18:24.199 carried that, uh that graphic over into the Beats Rhymes 2:18:24.240 --> 2:18:26.440 and Life cover And I've always wanted to ask. 2:18:26.320 --> 2:18:31.000 You this, Yeah, who is that person? Yeah? No, well no, 2:18:31.120 --> 2:18:35.280 that was it. I'm sorry, No, you know you was 2:18:35.400 --> 2:18:37.440 kind of completing it right, who was that person? 2:18:37.520 --> 2:18:40.840 And also my my theory or how I always interpreted 2:18:40.879 --> 2:18:44.720 the Beats Rhymes and Life cover. To me, it looked like, 2:18:46.400 --> 2:18:48.800 because this is around the time, this is like Biggie pop, 2:18:48.920 --> 2:18:50.720 like all that ship was going on, and it just 2:18:50.800 --> 2:18:53.320 looked like hip hop was just kind of in a 2:18:53.400 --> 2:18:55.560 state of emergency, and you know, so you had like 2:18:55.680 --> 2:18:58.720 the red, black and green, the figure was crying and 2:18:58.800 --> 2:19:02.320 the city was burning, and to me, it just that's 2:19:02.400 --> 2:19:03.240 what it represented. 2:19:03.280 --> 2:19:06.200 It represented hip hop kind of falling apart. 2:19:08.200 --> 2:19:13.080 I mean, it was just like be Rhyme's a life period. 2:19:17.480 --> 2:19:20.040 It was an odd time. It was a little dark, 2:19:20.280 --> 2:19:24.080 just because I guess Fife and I were having our 2:19:25.480 --> 2:19:30.879 issues and I converted Islam and then I met Dyla 2:19:32.240 --> 2:19:36.360 and just meeting him was just like a bright spot 2:19:36.800 --> 2:19:39.640 and bringing him in on the record, and I bought 2:19:40.120 --> 2:19:43.720 some Consequence on the record. So I guess everybody started 2:19:43.760 --> 2:19:47.840 feeling threatened. And my whole thing was like come on, 2:19:47.959 --> 2:19:50.040 you know, I was all this old happy go like no, 2:19:50.160 --> 2:19:52.400 it's a tribe. Everybody could come on your hey, you know. 2:19:52.560 --> 2:19:57.160 And I don't think everybody was feeling nats. But I 2:19:57.360 --> 2:20:00.720 just wanted to kind of like be more expansive. I 2:20:00.800 --> 2:20:04.800 felt like, you know, the way that hip hop was 2:20:04.840 --> 2:20:10.280 starting to shift, even though we weren't necessarily following the 2:20:10.440 --> 2:20:14.840 same course per se, I still wanted to put something 2:20:14.959 --> 2:20:19.720 in there that still represented still represented like a growth, 2:20:19.840 --> 2:20:22.680 if you would, or some sort of like you know, 2:20:22.959 --> 2:20:28.160 new elements. Just we're changing in our own way, you know, uh, 2:20:28.879 --> 2:20:33.640 the same at the same time that the genre is changing. 2:20:34.720 --> 2:20:37.760 So you know, it just brought it was a lot 2:20:37.840 --> 2:20:44.440 of stuff that wasn't discussed, wasn't clear when people put 2:20:44.520 --> 2:20:48.160 us on this pedalestal at the time critically and all 2:20:48.200 --> 2:20:48.520 the shit. 2:20:48.680 --> 2:20:51.160 So sorry, but I mean, but y'all had released like 2:20:51.280 --> 2:20:54.039 three perfect albums before, so it's kind of like, I mean, 2:20:54.600 --> 2:20:56.560 you can understand where that pedestal came from. 2:20:56.879 --> 2:20:58.240 I mean, it was I was saying it was a 2:20:58.280 --> 2:20:59.280 well deserved pedestal. 2:21:00.160 --> 2:21:03.480 Well, I you know, after that first. 2:21:07.360 --> 2:21:09.960 Wait a minute, why are we skipping a record? Like 2:21:10.040 --> 2:21:12.520 we know, we're not We're we was just asked the question. 2:21:12.640 --> 2:21:14.640 I was just he was talking about the figurine and 2:21:14.760 --> 2:21:19.680 whatever whatever represent Wait before we go to the dark place, wait, 2:21:19.920 --> 2:21:26.160 go to the happening place. Please explain this, tell me 2:21:26.240 --> 2:21:28.520 the story. All Right, I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play 2:21:28.600 --> 2:21:30.640 this for it, I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play you 2:21:30.760 --> 2:21:33.400 this and you explain what this means to you. This 2:21:33.560 --> 2:21:36.080 Don't walk Away by Jade on Quest Love Supreme. 2:21:50.560 --> 2:21:52.400 Joy Lit It know you're in the constant mind. 2:21:56.280 --> 2:22:01.160 I'm the one with the bracest of course, no rock, 2:22:01.720 --> 2:22:08.640 another rock, got a rock home. How about said there 2:22:09.879 --> 2:22:12.000 there's a reason why I'm playing this. Ladies, and gentlemen, 2:22:12.440 --> 2:22:13.760 Tim's gonna explain why. 2:22:23.760 --> 2:22:25.760 Shout the girls who have poetic justice braids? 2:22:25.920 --> 2:22:31.640 Can? I? Yi, you're an R and B head head. 2:22:32.480 --> 2:22:36.280 That's weird to me because it's like you live in 2:22:36.360 --> 2:22:39.320 a world where like Gaut McDermott lives. 2:22:40.920 --> 2:22:43.119 But then right now you're doing the rebot. 2:23:07.040 --> 2:23:07.800 I just took the video. 2:23:07.879 --> 2:23:12.200 This is gonna be great because there's no music behind it, like. 2:23:13.280 --> 2:23:21.840 Garfield Garfield minus Garfield, explain to me why that song 2:23:22.160 --> 2:23:23.000 is so important to you? 2:23:23.959 --> 2:23:25.400 Man, this is to that record. 2:23:25.440 --> 2:23:27.840 That ship is so dope. But this is the thing 2:23:27.920 --> 2:23:28.200 though in. 2:23:28.200 --> 2:23:30.400 The baseline obviously, but I heard it. 2:23:30.560 --> 2:23:34.160 It didn't hit me that way. So how where did 2:23:34.200 --> 2:23:36.880 it hit you to the point you were like, yo, 2:23:38.400 --> 2:23:39.200 we gotta go there. 2:23:40.760 --> 2:23:46.080 Well, of course, turn it off. 2:23:46.640 --> 2:23:51.840 Wait it's a turning off. Hey hey no oh way, 2:23:55.320 --> 2:24:02.560 see I'm the only one man is off, said Barb. 2:24:03.560 --> 2:24:14.680 Put it on Barbar Right, they gotta based off that song? Well, right, yes, 2:24:16.120 --> 2:24:17.000 you gotta let this play. 2:24:19.240 --> 2:24:25.440 You gotta get to the don't walk break it down. Okay, 2:24:25.520 --> 2:24:26.080 this is the breakdown. 2:24:26.120 --> 2:24:29.000 You can turn it down. No, we just turn it down. 2:24:29.080 --> 2:24:33.240 Every time we hear the talk over it. It's the baseline, 2:24:33.320 --> 2:24:38.599 know that you make you explain. 2:24:40.040 --> 2:24:40.280 Dumb. 2:24:44.560 --> 2:24:47.240 I was just hit as ship in the club. That 2:24:47.320 --> 2:24:49.320 ship would just be rocking so hard. 2:24:49.800 --> 2:24:54.560 All right, the course is back. It's I've heard you 2:24:54.600 --> 2:24:57.520 played this in the club many times. Yeah, yes, I mean, my. 2:24:57.640 --> 2:25:02.200 God, and it's an era like the whole era. 2:25:02.360 --> 2:25:05.400 It's summer ninety three all over. That was a good summer. 2:25:05.440 --> 2:25:07.280 Oh my god, that she was cracking. So when I 2:25:07.400 --> 2:25:09.400 heard it, I was like, I gotta make a record 2:25:09.480 --> 2:25:12.240 like that, that baseline. So I just wanted to like 2:25:13.040 --> 2:25:13.800 reapproach it. 2:25:14.760 --> 2:25:20.840 So it was digital digital bom pom pomb, I. 2:25:20.840 --> 2:25:23.440 Mean, because obviously was going against the Weldon ravine. 2:25:24.600 --> 2:25:28.959 You know what I mean, I never would have gotten 2:25:30.040 --> 2:25:32.480 like it took me a long time to figure out. 2:25:32.480 --> 2:25:37.360 That's where Yeah, boo boo. 2:25:43.520 --> 2:25:46.280 How do you hear these music ideas? Because because I know. 2:25:46.320 --> 2:25:50.160 The imergion, because I know I think you're the king, 2:25:50.480 --> 2:25:53.800 especially with songs like this where you. 2:25:55.360 --> 2:26:01.640 Will force a a square and a circle peg. Because 2:26:01.680 --> 2:26:05.119 the thing is the the horn line. 2:26:07.680 --> 2:26:12.080 Doesn't have anything that is a guitar line from Charles Earling. 2:26:12.160 --> 2:26:12.600 I'm sorry. 2:26:13.360 --> 2:26:16.760 Yeah, so the guitar line from Charles Erland has nothing 2:26:16.800 --> 2:26:20.840 to do with which has nothing to do with the 2:26:20.920 --> 2:26:24.320 j bassline, which has nothing to do with the bridge. 2:26:26.720 --> 2:26:29.800 And it works, but you forced it to work. 2:26:30.040 --> 2:26:30.920 That was fun, wasn't it. 2:26:31.040 --> 2:26:33.280 Yeah? It always fun. 2:26:33.520 --> 2:26:35.360 Yeah, we don't have enough dance breaks. 2:26:36.320 --> 2:26:41.119 You need to have more dance breaks well on every episode. 2:26:42.480 --> 2:26:42.960 How about this? 2:26:43.720 --> 2:26:45.400 I was the first guest, now I'm on the show. 2:26:45.440 --> 2:26:47.520 You can be the fiftieth guest, now you're on the show. 2:26:47.600 --> 2:26:53.480 I would either that or is this a proposition? A proposal, 2:26:54.360 --> 2:26:55.879 and you guys could talk it over. 2:26:57.560 --> 2:27:03.600 The Chapelle level of proposal. Music might not ever have crazy. 2:27:03.640 --> 2:27:05.480 It's just like a mayor. 2:27:06.120 --> 2:27:07.560 You gotta trust me on this. 2:27:07.920 --> 2:27:17.840 Yes, so I have traumatory idea. Great. You don't get. 2:27:19.400 --> 2:27:24.440 Great idea every time that y'all want to have a 2:27:24.720 --> 2:27:34.080 dance seg. Just call it the tip dance segue. I 2:27:34.160 --> 2:27:38.600 don't care nigga. If it's nigga, I have beef with said, Okay, 2:27:38.680 --> 2:27:39.480 this is the tip. 2:27:39.560 --> 2:27:41.720 If d do that, you have to record an intro 2:27:41.840 --> 2:27:42.600 for the second. 2:27:44.440 --> 2:27:48.959 I'll totally I'll do it. Don't worry about it. I'll 2:27:49.120 --> 2:27:53.199 record the tip dance segment music. 2:27:53.240 --> 2:27:55.680 All right, give us the intro like interrupt. We interrupt 2:27:55.720 --> 2:27:57.039 this for a Tip dance break. 2:28:00.480 --> 2:28:03.600 We interrupt this for a Q Tip dance break. 2:28:04.320 --> 2:28:17.199 Dance this, I will always want way come on eftless 2:28:18.600 --> 2:28:24.200 wait dancing. It's a q Tip Brands dance break. 2:28:24.280 --> 2:28:25.920 Man away. 2:28:28.360 --> 2:28:42.600 Okay, let's talk about arguments in the group. See, actually, 2:28:42.800 --> 2:28:44.800 Midnight Marnas is so overwhelming. 2:28:45.240 --> 2:28:47.760 I don't know what to talk about it or how 2:28:47.840 --> 2:28:51.560 to praise it. Electric relaxation, Like, okay, let's get to 2:28:51.600 --> 2:28:56.360 the dark because there's a lot of a lot of dissecting. 2:28:56.400 --> 2:28:59.720 I want to do creative. Can I ask what popped 2:28:59.720 --> 2:29:00.240 in my head? Ahead? 2:29:00.760 --> 2:29:02.240 I don't know if it's ever going to come back again, 2:29:02.280 --> 2:29:03.280 so I have to take advantage of it. 2:29:03.480 --> 2:29:03.720 Okay. 2:29:06.240 --> 2:29:10.000 The part on the album where you are you and Rich? 2:29:11.200 --> 2:29:13.000 And I think it's you rich and who is youll 2:29:13.080 --> 2:29:14.640 arguing on the. 2:29:14.680 --> 2:29:18.440 Phone that yes, that was very much real. 2:29:18.840 --> 2:29:19.240 What was that? 2:29:19.400 --> 2:29:23.520 Okay? So we were it's talking about the intro to rising, 2:29:23.800 --> 2:29:25.200 the introll, the Rising down? 2:29:25.840 --> 2:29:29.360 Should I played Have you heard ifah? If Liyah hasn't 2:29:29.400 --> 2:29:30.960 heard it, then that means it doesn't exist. 2:29:31.320 --> 2:29:33.480 You know I heard it, you didn't. I want to 2:29:33.520 --> 2:29:36.720 hear it. I feel like if if a root song 2:29:37.080 --> 2:29:41.040 falls in the forest and doesn't hear it. It never 2:29:41.160 --> 2:29:43.760 made a sound. I'm good to game there, I am good. 2:29:43.959 --> 2:29:51.760 It's like it's not game. Just the album. 2:29:56.680 --> 2:29:58.280 Oh yeah, that that was a good one too. Had 2:29:58.320 --> 2:30:00.199 the Go Go drawn with Christte Michelle. 2:29:59.840 --> 2:30:03.440 And anyway anyway, all right, so this is what Tip 2:30:03.640 --> 2:30:04.360 is asking about. 2:30:04.440 --> 2:30:05.879 Like this, I mean that ship wasn't fun. 2:30:06.160 --> 2:30:09.240 That it was not It wasn't no trip. It was 2:30:09.640 --> 2:30:10.320 hard working ship. 2:30:10.360 --> 2:30:10.840 You know what I'm saying. 2:30:11.040 --> 2:30:13.200 And I feel like I'm busting that. It breaks my 2:30:13.280 --> 2:30:17.160 heart when I hit us further and not getting gatic. 2:30:17.200 --> 2:30:20.080 Well if you God, really that fucking unhappening only got 2:30:20.080 --> 2:30:22.000 problems with me and made me are to go somewhere 2:30:22.840 --> 2:30:24.960 how fucked up like truly is is what he was 2:30:25.000 --> 2:30:25.560 really saying. 2:30:25.600 --> 2:30:27.640 That it don't get no better than this unless you 2:30:27.680 --> 2:30:28.760 got your own record label. 2:30:28.800 --> 2:30:31.440 That's basically a point I'm trying to get the problem. 2:30:31.920 --> 2:30:33.720 I mean, And when you got that phone call from 2:30:33.760 --> 2:30:36.720 you and know where it came from, and energy like. 2:30:36.800 --> 2:30:40.440 The bandage can't handle the you tell me some screaming 2:30:40.520 --> 2:30:42.640 at me, I'm kind where the energy needs to go 2:30:42.959 --> 2:30:48.720 A mirror, mirror, please tell him it doesn't matter. 2:30:50.360 --> 2:30:56.680 All the way. This is what I'm talking about. What anyway, 2:31:03.680 --> 2:31:05.360 it sounds like that conversation we had a couple of 2:31:05.360 --> 2:31:05.720 weeks ago. 2:31:09.920 --> 2:31:10.960 That's Rich right there, right. 2:31:11.280 --> 2:31:12.440 That is niggas. 2:31:12.480 --> 2:31:17.760 They know that that nigga Rich, don't matter what the 2:31:17.840 --> 2:31:18.440 nigga look like. 2:31:20.760 --> 2:31:25.280 Rich got a net soul like Ethan Rich. I p yeah, man, 2:31:25.440 --> 2:31:28.240 that is like he was Peter Grant. 2:31:28.879 --> 2:31:32.800 That motherfucker bloody. Somebody knows real quick. 2:31:37.120 --> 2:31:38.760 Rich will bloody you knows and you will thank him 2:31:38.800 --> 2:31:39.480 for it afterwards. 2:31:40.560 --> 2:31:43.840 I mean, but yeah, So what you're hearing is, so 2:31:43.959 --> 2:31:45.480 who was that talking at for that waster? 2:31:46.480 --> 2:31:47.760 That was okay? 2:31:48.240 --> 2:31:52.520 Uh a j Shin who is uh the stretched Armstrong 2:31:52.600 --> 2:31:57.560 and Bibido of Philadelphia who discovered us and with his 2:31:57.840 --> 2:32:02.120 accident money settlement money made a demo called Organics for 2:32:02.200 --> 2:32:04.839 the Roots and we somehow nuanced. 2:32:04.480 --> 2:32:05.480 That into a record deal. 2:32:06.840 --> 2:32:15.200 So this particular back for some pay. Next question, No, 2:32:15.600 --> 2:32:18.320 a bootleg recently came back. Like I was like, wait, 2:32:18.360 --> 2:32:20.280 where'd this album come from? It's like us live in 2:32:20.360 --> 2:32:26.080 London somewhere anyway. So the scenario is we are doing 2:32:26.160 --> 2:32:31.360 our first promo tour down South and this is where 2:32:31.400 --> 2:32:35.480 we're slowly realizing that this is going to be a 2:32:35.760 --> 2:32:41.600 long hard journey, and that long hard journey, you know, 2:32:41.680 --> 2:32:45.680 in our minds, we thought like, well, if we make 2:32:45.760 --> 2:32:47.840 what's good to Like, we didn't know what a formula level. 2:32:48.040 --> 2:32:51.040 I didn't know about a hook and pop atmosphere and 2:32:51.080 --> 2:32:53.120 all that stuff, and we didn't know that stuff. So 2:32:53.320 --> 2:32:56.160 all we knew was that we went to a nightclub 2:32:56.440 --> 2:32:58.879 in North Carolina. No fence from town. 2:33:01.000 --> 2:33:03.440 We went. We went to a nightclub in North Carolina. 2:33:04.560 --> 2:33:10.640 Uh And in hindsight, the DJ probably shouldn't have stopped 2:33:10.640 --> 2:33:14.320 playing warreng g immediately, Like it was one of those televisions. 2:33:14.320 --> 2:33:17.880 It was like it was like no, it was like yeah, no, 2:33:17.959 --> 2:33:20.080 no no. It was like a perfect example. 2:33:20.240 --> 2:33:22.840 It was like the five Heartbeats, this next group coming on, 2:33:23.000 --> 2:33:27.680 say they better than the five Folktops putting together we. 2:33:27.720 --> 2:33:34.520 Shall see goddamn. I'm just saying. 2:33:34.640 --> 2:33:38.199 I'm just saying as as a DJ who is DJ 2:33:38.400 --> 2:33:41.760 through the bad Boy era, like Puff is notorious, especially 2:33:41.920 --> 2:33:44.640 like let's go ten years back, you beat DJ in 2:33:44.680 --> 2:33:48.840 the club and then the bad Boy street team commandeer's. 2:33:48.320 --> 2:33:52.640 Your DJ booth with yo here play this now? 2:33:53.720 --> 2:33:57.240 Like and so this person obviously didn't have any nuance 2:33:57.320 --> 2:34:00.560 with the segue, so it's like a very popular own song. 2:34:01.760 --> 2:34:05.520 Suddenly he just takes it off and puts on a song. 2:34:06.920 --> 2:34:09.440 Maybe I should have put the kick drum on the 2:34:09.520 --> 2:34:11.760 one and the three so that the beat was more steady. 2:34:12.320 --> 2:34:14.720 That he just puts the source of static on. And 2:34:15.480 --> 2:34:23.920 I literally watched a dance floor. It was like, no, 2:34:24.080 --> 2:34:27.560 it wasn't even that. It wasn't even that it hurt 2:34:27.640 --> 2:34:32.440 them to dance too. They were just like that kick 2:34:32.520 --> 2:34:33.640 drummers a little disorienting. 2:34:34.400 --> 2:34:34.920 I didn't know. 2:34:35.280 --> 2:34:37.560 I meant for me, I was just taking the second 2:34:37.600 --> 2:34:43.199 half of substitution. I was taking the second half of substanution. 2:34:43.320 --> 2:34:46.640 I wanted to do off substitution, but because those guys 2:34:46.680 --> 2:34:48.800 were like, we'll get sued, we'll get sued. And I 2:34:48.920 --> 2:34:50.320 was like, all right, well I'll do the second half 2:34:50.360 --> 2:34:53.040 of substitution. And I flop them on it because I said, Yo, 2:34:53.600 --> 2:34:56.880 Dayla already did the second half of substitution on the 2:34:57.000 --> 2:35:00.560 last song on Blue Mind State, and and you know 2:35:00.640 --> 2:35:03.080 they're like, no, man, don't do substitution. We're gonna get sued. 2:35:04.040 --> 2:35:06.520 So I mean I saw him struggle with it. And 2:35:06.760 --> 2:35:11.520 then when they cleared the dance floor. It was like, oh, 2:35:11.680 --> 2:35:14.800 we're fucked. We are so fucked right now. 2:35:15.440 --> 2:35:17.960 And so just all that week, we go to in 2:35:18.160 --> 2:35:19.080 stores with just. 2:35:19.200 --> 2:35:21.720 Like three people there and those are like the employees 2:35:22.360 --> 2:35:26.440 we go to. We went to Florida somewhere and nobody cared. 2:35:27.040 --> 2:35:30.280 It was like a week of hell. And so we 2:35:30.400 --> 2:35:34.400 got on the phone. It was Wendy Goldstein, Joe Rindy 2:35:34.560 --> 2:35:35.119 was on that call. 2:35:36.480 --> 2:35:41.160 Yes, oh my god, and Tarik quiet, hell, yeah, what 2:35:41.240 --> 2:35:42.959 y'all got damn contracted in the shred of. 2:35:43.040 --> 2:35:49.240 Like right, so right over that muff, Tarik is fussing 2:35:49.320 --> 2:35:53.360 and cussing and like he laid into it, like you know, 2:35:53.520 --> 2:35:55.720 what the fuck, Like we're out here, the street team 2:35:55.800 --> 2:35:56.720 doesn't know who we are, and. 2:35:59.160 --> 2:36:02.080 Right, no, well that's okay. 2:36:02.200 --> 2:36:07.280 Yes, in the very beginning, Wendy called and cursed out 2:36:07.320 --> 2:36:10.680 Wendy gold Steam. Wendy then called Tarik like I just 2:36:10.760 --> 2:36:13.520 got cursed out by Tik, What the fuck? And then 2:36:14.680 --> 2:36:18.600 then Rich called Joe and me and Tariq was like, yo, like, 2:36:19.640 --> 2:36:23.400 y'all can't be spassing out at the A and R 2:36:23.560 --> 2:36:26.480 like that, and you know, you can't be spassing out 2:36:27.760 --> 2:36:31.320 and Tarik would just like you know, it was just 2:36:31.440 --> 2:36:35.200 basically we had all these expectations to do well. 2:36:35.400 --> 2:36:36.800 We thought is a. 2:36:36.800 --> 2:36:40.800 Wild boy too? Yes, so it must have been crazy. 2:36:40.879 --> 2:36:44.120 Like I was listening to that ship when it first 2:36:44.160 --> 2:36:48.879 came out, I was like, I felt, you know, the group. 2:36:48.760 --> 2:36:54.800 Dynamic through anything. Yes, every group. This is why like groups. 2:36:55.040 --> 2:36:56.920 One thing I can ask, did you guys just take 2:36:57.000 --> 2:36:58.720 record every conversation you guys on the phone? 2:36:59.800 --> 2:37:02.400 You tape that right? Did you like that? Oh? I 2:37:02.520 --> 2:37:05.800 was too? Okay. This is the part that I'm leaving out. 2:37:06.520 --> 2:37:13.440 Was that I still had a bunk bed. Yeah, exactly. 2:37:16.160 --> 2:37:17.920 Here's the thing I was. 2:37:18.320 --> 2:37:18.640 I had. 2:37:18.959 --> 2:37:22.600 I'm still in my childhood home as a teaching So 2:37:24.160 --> 2:37:29.560 because I was on the top bunk, the message already 2:37:29.680 --> 2:37:32.640 went to machine a mirror. I know you're there, pick 2:37:32.720 --> 2:37:34.880 up the phone, you know, like old school answer machines. 2:37:35.160 --> 2:37:38.520 Machine recorded it, right, So then you know, on on 2:37:38.640 --> 2:37:41.800 the top bunk region and didn't. 2:37:41.879 --> 2:37:43.879 I was too lazy to get off off the bed 2:37:43.920 --> 2:37:46.200 to turn the machine off, right, So I just let 2:37:46.240 --> 2:37:47.280 it go and stay. 2:37:47.440 --> 2:37:49.879 But then, you know, so why was. 2:37:49.879 --> 2:37:51.840 He calling out your name like AMA, talk to them 2:37:51.879 --> 2:37:54.200 and tell them well, because it. 2:37:54.400 --> 2:37:58.280 Was Rich was saying, Amir, will you tell them these 2:37:58.280 --> 2:37:59.480 people think that they're talking to me. 2:37:59.680 --> 2:38:02.160 No, he was like, Amir, will you tell them what 2:38:02.360 --> 2:38:03.080 happened on the road. 2:38:03.160 --> 2:38:06.200 Basically, it was kind of the two managers arguing with 2:38:06.320 --> 2:38:09.920 each other, whereas Joe aj Shin was like, yo, don't 2:38:10.040 --> 2:38:13.440 mess up our good thing at Geffen, and Rich was 2:38:13.480 --> 2:38:16.120 sort of on me and Serika's side, like shits fucked 2:38:16.200 --> 2:38:16.840 up out here. 2:38:17.080 --> 2:38:19.879 And we were broke, and when you're broke, you argue. 2:38:20.120 --> 2:38:24.080 So that's there was a lot of that going on, 2:38:24.280 --> 2:38:28.920 but surprisingly we stayed together now twenty five plus years. 2:38:29.600 --> 2:38:30.760 We'll get a sound effect for that. 2:38:31.000 --> 2:38:36.280 The key to that, like a. 2:38:38.920 --> 2:38:41.600 Well, this is what I want to know, Like why 2:38:41.640 --> 2:38:43.959 didn't y'all just not that you guys were road dogs 2:38:44.000 --> 2:38:46.760 as far as like always on a tour bus, but 2:38:48.400 --> 2:38:51.280 we knew from the gate that two tour buses would 2:38:51.320 --> 2:38:55.720 save this group. And you know, I joke about the 2:38:55.760 --> 2:39:02.520 whole Gryffin door and Slytherin thing, but you know, in hindsight, 2:39:02.680 --> 2:39:06.000 could a lot of the tension then avoided. 2:39:05.720 --> 2:39:06.879 If we had two tour buses? 2:39:08.040 --> 2:39:13.520 Yeah, I mean it was just like doing all a 2:39:13.560 --> 2:39:16.080 lot of pay were y'all on the same bus, so. 2:39:16.160 --> 2:39:18.480 You gotta remember and it's probably like y'all too, like 2:39:18.600 --> 2:39:21.920 we grew up together, you know what I'm saying, So 2:39:22.920 --> 2:39:27.760 you getting separate buses to me, Yeah, I've seen a 2:39:27.840 --> 2:39:31.400 lot of rock and rollers say that and networks but that, 2:39:31.520 --> 2:39:35.000 and that's very well. But our ship was deep, you know, 2:39:35.080 --> 2:39:39.680 part of the pun, deep rooted. That had nothing to 2:39:39.840 --> 2:39:43.439 do with any sort of physical separation. 2:39:43.600 --> 2:39:47.160 It was more, I mean. 2:39:50.400 --> 2:39:54.560 Like it's it was really like we were cool. Then 2:39:54.600 --> 2:39:58.760 you get on and then people start coming around that 2:39:58.879 --> 2:40:01.520 you've never seen before. They start working their way into 2:40:01.680 --> 2:40:07.160 your equation, and then this starts to become separate groups 2:40:08.080 --> 2:40:11.480 like yeah, yeah, a little factions, and you know how 2:40:11.520 --> 2:40:16.360 that ship is. There's the faction. Yeah yeah, there's this faction, 2:40:16.560 --> 2:40:20.960 this faction, and then that coupled with the fact that 2:40:21.040 --> 2:40:26.520 you're still young, you are still you know, fighting for 2:40:27.600 --> 2:40:30.960 your own terrain as an individual and all that ship, 2:40:31.640 --> 2:40:34.480 and then the new people are coming in like yeah, man, 2:40:34.560 --> 2:40:40.480 you can pay for your own terrain, fight for my 2:40:40.560 --> 2:40:44.920 own train like that type ship. 2:40:45.040 --> 2:40:48.760 I feel you, and especially for you, because there's nothing 2:40:48.879 --> 2:40:51.560 more awkward when you get singled out, and. 2:40:51.800 --> 2:40:54.960 That's why I situation said from the beginning, well, this 2:40:55.080 --> 2:40:57.200 is the way I tribe never put my face on 2:40:57.280 --> 2:40:57.600 the cover. 2:40:57.800 --> 2:41:00.200 And I wanted to ask you that man like me, 2:41:00.320 --> 2:41:02.480 you always seem to be and let me know if 2:41:02.520 --> 2:41:04.480 if I was reading it wrong, you always seem to 2:41:04.520 --> 2:41:06.400 be like a kind of reluctant. 2:41:06.080 --> 2:41:07.720 Very reluctant, you know what I mean, Like you never 2:41:08.000 --> 2:41:09.000 I mean, you had the talent. 2:41:09.120 --> 2:41:09.320 I mean. 2:41:09.400 --> 2:41:16.680 But the thing, the thing though, is at least there 2:41:16.800 --> 2:41:24.240 is sometimes at least there's justifiable understanding for the lead 2:41:24.640 --> 2:41:27.720 voice to be the center of attention. 2:41:28.879 --> 2:41:34.280 It's twelve more times awkward when the leader is the. 2:41:34.360 --> 2:41:38.200 Guy that's way in the back, Yeah, the jont Yeah yeah, 2:41:38.240 --> 2:41:40.800 it's like, oh Jesus, like I don't want this attention. 2:41:41.200 --> 2:41:46.440 And it's but thank you, that's what she said. 2:41:49.879 --> 2:41:54.200 No, but it's it's it's like no one understands the 2:41:54.320 --> 2:41:57.480 group dynamic more and the ship that goes on with groups, 2:41:58.320 --> 2:42:02.800 especially in your situation and in your situation more than me. 2:42:03.120 --> 2:42:06.320 Like it's it's just I get it. 2:42:07.480 --> 2:42:13.000 I think at least me and tw week situation, the 2:42:13.120 --> 2:42:19.840 greater good of the group is probably I mean, we at. 2:42:19.800 --> 2:42:22.000 Least had that understanding ironclad. 2:42:22.879 --> 2:42:26.680 You know, we've only had one fistfight in our twenty 2:42:26.760 --> 2:42:30.520 five years, and that was like maybe a two weeks 2:42:30.560 --> 2:42:32.160 after the distortion of static video. 2:42:33.600 --> 2:42:36.520 It's never I mean, I'm too bick Like I sat 2:42:36.560 --> 2:42:45.440 on top of him, like it's like he threw a chair. 2:42:45.560 --> 2:42:48.800 We wrestled in the in the office, and then like, 2:42:52.480 --> 2:42:55.600 well here's this that rich This is the thing that 2:42:55.760 --> 2:43:00.520 riched later ad minute, like we like post post fights 2:43:00.920 --> 2:43:02.680 with anybody that you've ever been in a fist fight. 2:43:02.720 --> 2:43:04.520 I don't know if you've personally been in a fist fight. 2:43:05.200 --> 2:43:09.880 But yeah, even even the person that gets hit and 2:43:09.920 --> 2:43:13.440 the person that does the hitting, they both are equal pain, 2:43:13.760 --> 2:43:18.080 like you know. And but me and Tarik like didn't 2:43:18.120 --> 2:43:20.400 want to let each other know that we were so 2:43:20.520 --> 2:43:23.199 we were like limping in the hallway of our apartment. 2:43:23.920 --> 2:43:26.039 But when we see each other like I'm not hurt. 2:43:30.680 --> 2:43:32.800 Then like a month later we just laughed out loud 2:43:32.800 --> 2:43:34.840 about it like yeah, I wasn't I wasn't hurt either. 2:43:35.640 --> 2:43:43.840 I'm sorry man, you know. So it's it's it's I 2:43:45.200 --> 2:43:50.880 get that ship. So obviously tip your career, I feel 2:43:51.160 --> 2:43:54.920 is keep talking, Oh. 2:43:57.200 --> 2:44:01.480 So fight, Oh yeah, this that was do it t 2:44:02.080 --> 2:44:08.360 right Tip fight right here. So Tip, obviously your your 2:44:08.520 --> 2:44:09.520 your story is. 2:44:09.760 --> 2:44:12.959 Way more expansive. You're going to have to come back 2:44:13.200 --> 2:44:18.840 later in the year in the future. Ull speaking about. 2:44:20.240 --> 2:44:20.959 Is this part one? 2:44:21.200 --> 2:44:23.320 Yes? This is part one? 2:44:24.440 --> 2:44:26.480 What did you learn from I learned that Q Tip 2:44:26.640 --> 2:44:29.520 is still one of the biggest music fans ever to 2:44:29.640 --> 2:44:33.680 see you drop records and him still be dancing to it, 2:44:33.879 --> 2:44:36.160 and you know, for you to drop a record like 2:44:36.200 --> 2:44:39.640 Ghosts and him to reminisce on it and it takes 2:44:39.720 --> 2:44:42.240 him right back to the last quarter, you know what 2:44:42.280 --> 2:44:42.520 I mean. 2:44:42.600 --> 2:44:43.760 That's just a beautiful thing to see. 2:44:43.760 --> 2:44:45.320 It's a lot of brothers that you know, have been 2:44:45.400 --> 2:44:47.360 in the game, have been in the game as long 2:44:47.400 --> 2:44:49.040 as you have, you know what I'm saying, but have 2:44:49.560 --> 2:44:52.800 become somewhat jaded and have lost that passion Like. 2:44:52.840 --> 2:44:57.119 How could how could you? Maybe it's just me being naive, 2:44:57.200 --> 2:45:00.560 but how could you not have to excitement for music? 2:45:00.720 --> 2:45:05.400 It can happen because some people they they did take 2:45:05.440 --> 2:45:08.240 it personally. So it's like if you have musical dreams 2:45:08.360 --> 2:45:11.920 and okay, dream for me a dream, what happens to 2:45:12.040 --> 2:45:12.840 a loan deferred? 2:45:15.320 --> 2:45:16.920 You know what I mean? It's like it's that kind 2:45:16.920 --> 2:45:17.160 of ship. 2:45:17.280 --> 2:45:19.480 So like if your if your ship gets deferred, then 2:45:19.879 --> 2:45:22.400 all of a sudden, it's like sour grade. 2:45:22.440 --> 2:45:25.560 You know, I can't even understand that, like seriously, like 2:45:25.640 --> 2:45:28.440 I can't even I don't have a comprehension of that. 2:45:28.640 --> 2:45:31.480 Like I love music so much, Like it's so much 2:45:31.560 --> 2:45:34.240 a part of of everything, even when if I'm in 2:45:34.280 --> 2:45:37.840 a fucked up most said whatever, like there's music to accompany, 2:45:38.640 --> 2:45:44.680 Like when Fife passed, you know, for you know, days after, 2:45:44.879 --> 2:45:46.760 you know, I'd have to put together some I'd have 2:45:46.840 --> 2:45:48.440 to hear some music to get me up. 2:45:48.560 --> 2:45:50.720 To what was your stuff? 2:45:51.040 --> 2:45:55.560 I mean you go to Stevie or Herbie or you 2:45:55.680 --> 2:46:03.160 know e w Web for you know, go to just 2:46:03.320 --> 2:46:07.760 keep me up, keep me optimistic, keep me you know going, 2:46:08.000 --> 2:46:10.359 And you know, I don't know, I guess. 2:46:10.200 --> 2:46:14.520 I sound corny, Yeah, Verry Human, did you have any 2:46:14.560 --> 2:46:17.040 records that you played for like the other stuff, just 2:46:17.120 --> 2:46:19.280 to really get into the sadness of the moment, Like 2:46:19.360 --> 2:46:21.280 did you have any of those joints? 2:46:22.520 --> 2:46:25.200 No? But it's funny because you know how it is, 2:46:25.400 --> 2:46:31.720 like you you always find something about whatever it is 2:46:31.800 --> 2:46:35.080 that makes you sad. It's just very relative a poignant 2:46:35.160 --> 2:46:38.800 to that moment, you know. For a horrible example, like 2:46:38.879 --> 2:46:41.680 if you have a breakup with the girl and every 2:46:41.760 --> 2:46:46.000 song you hear is like relatable to the breakup or whatever, you. 2:46:46.040 --> 2:46:46.400 Know what I mean. 2:46:46.480 --> 2:46:50.240 So even in those joyous songs, there would be points 2:46:50.720 --> 2:46:54.320 that would take you here that you know, tear you up, 2:46:54.560 --> 2:46:57.680 you know what I mean. So I just can't even 2:46:57.760 --> 2:47:00.600 fathom somebody not appreciate loving music. 2:47:01.680 --> 2:47:04.760 Well, I'm gonna actually take the liberty to say that 2:47:05.000 --> 2:47:08.400 I think we all learned something really important, and. 2:47:08.480 --> 2:47:14.480 That's the importance of a good goddamn dance breaking ladies 2:47:14.480 --> 2:47:15.000 and gentlemen. 2:47:15.400 --> 2:47:21.080 Yes, I've taken over the awesome backswell no, we We're 2:47:21.080 --> 2:47:24.680 going to dance break right now. This is the best 2:47:24.760 --> 2:47:26.520 farm beat song of nineteen ninety. 2:47:26.320 --> 2:47:28.360 Three, according to Camal Forrie. 2:47:28.760 --> 2:47:32.959 Don't walk Away by jay On behalf of Fran tikeoloas 2:47:33.720 --> 2:47:38.320 Boss Bill Sugar Steve Unpaid Bill, Yeah man, yay yo, 2:47:40.520 --> 2:47:45.600 Margaret and you tip this Quest Loves signing off West 2:47:45.680 --> 2:47:46.320 Love Supreme. 2:47:47.400 --> 2:47:47.720 Got you. 2:47:50.840 --> 2:47:55.000 Quest Love Supreme. It's a production Iheartrating. This classic episode 2:47:55.160 --> 2:47:57.759 was produced by the team at Pandora. 2:48:00.000 --> 2:48:00.080 One. 2:48:00.120 --> 2:48:04.200 More podcasts from iHeartRadio visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, 2:48:04.680 --> 2:48:06.360 or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.