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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another edition of Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 1: I am your host quest love. Uh we have Froan Tickeolo.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 11: Uh man, it's a beautiful day in New York City.
Speaker 11: It's a little cold out, Yeah, it's un dropped the
Speaker 11: hawk then came out January.
Speaker 3: What do you expect. I'm glad.
Speaker 11: I'm glad because I was worried for a minute, but
Speaker 11: now I think winter is here in full force, really
Speaker 11: full force anyway.
Speaker 3: But no, no, no for a while. I mean because
Speaker 3: I mean in at least in North Carolina.
Speaker 11: I mean up in like November, late November we had
Speaker 11: a couple of seventy degree days, so New York.
Speaker 3: I'm good, You're right.
Speaker 1: I mean December was cold as shit. I remember one
Speaker 1: particularly December it was like really really cool. But in
Speaker 1: January it's even colder. Yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker 3: I'm glad winters here to you know, get the get
Speaker 3: my get my body right. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 11: I'm about forty pounds in the stomach virus away from
Speaker 11: my ideal weight.
Speaker 3: So I'm working on it. So that stomach virus is
Speaker 3: gonna get you through. That's that's gona give me.
Speaker 11: It's gonna give me to my to I'm in my
Speaker 11: jurrial avert stage right now, that stomach virus gonna get
Speaker 11: me to my Anthony Anderson.
Speaker 3: There's always like smooth moved tea or something. No, man,
Speaker 3: that's just cameras. No really, the stomach virus.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, stomach virus will take you. It'll get you
Speaker 1: some yogurt. How will you get the stomach I don't
Speaker 1: know how I'll get it.
Speaker 3: I got that is, I got kids.
Speaker 9: I'm about to get front cutis just hold on a minute,
Speaker 9: just like it could be within the next five minutes.
Speaker 1: You guys are basically saying that you will hope that
Speaker 1: your kids get you sick so that you lose some weight.
Speaker 3: Well, no, that's him.
Speaker 11: I necessarily hope it has depends. But if it did happen,
Speaker 11: I can't say that would be mad about it. It
Speaker 11: would help me get over.
Speaker 10: This like the holiday, the extra holiday weight and all
Speaker 10: of that.
Speaker 3: And just you know, just stress weight. Smooth move tea
Speaker 3: at least takes out like seven to ten pounds.
Speaker 10: Of some of that home two boxes.
Speaker 12: Nah, I don't I know.
Speaker 10: I don't do the detox tease, I don't do that plan.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I just you know, cut back, virus, lift and
Speaker 11: get a stomach virus, you know what I mean, A little,
Speaker 11: a little not ro virus is just a man get
Speaker 11: those abs right for the spring.
Speaker 6: I got the stomach virus a couple years ago, drop
Speaker 6: like fifteen pounds and then didn't come back.
Speaker 10: Oh my god, fifteen pounds. I'm glad you alive.
Speaker 11: I think I think didn't. Wasn't this a thing like
Speaker 11: in the twenties or something where they would give no,
Speaker 11: like tapeworms, Like well, people would get bled do tapeworms
Speaker 11: for people go to Brazil right now for that, Like.
Speaker 3: And just what are you seriously? Yeah, dead ass. It
Speaker 3: was just like people would do it. Tapeworms would do
Speaker 3: stuff to like not the.
Speaker 13: Cool skult, not the hot burning the light bulb. It's
Speaker 13: like five different. It's a lot of Yeah, no, it's
Speaker 13: a lot of ways to lose Beyonce lemonade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, other than eat right in and breakout, because no
Speaker 3: one wants to do that.
Speaker 11: Yeah yeah, yeah, the waist trainers just gonna have all
Speaker 11: these people fucked up. Nah, we don't do none of that.
Speaker 11: Why we want to do that? We could just you know,
Speaker 11: we don't want to work out to eat right. So yeah,
Speaker 11: if I get the summer virus and you know, stay
Speaker 11: in the gym. Hopefully by springtime I'll be on my
Speaker 11: Blackish Anthony Anderson.
Speaker 3: I'm life Anthony Anderson right.
Speaker 11: Now, but hopefully i'll be I'll be Blackish Anthony Andersen
Speaker 11: by Uh.
Speaker 3: I hope to meet you there, bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you I've been abstaining this, this has
Speaker 1: been this has been the period of abstinence.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm doing it's I've made it through.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 1: I made it through the at least what I call
Speaker 1: the the underground tunnel, which was the first fifteen days
Speaker 1: of avoiding sugar, avoiding flour, bread, gluten, fried foods.
Speaker 3: Are you angry, don't? I don't know, just one day? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what?
Speaker 7: You know what?
Speaker 3: You know what the stepback to all that is.
Speaker 1: I've been snapping at more people than normal withdrawal like clear.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a clear mind or just
Speaker 1: what it is, but yeah, I've been like I feel
Speaker 1: like my boxing gloves might be in my future, like
Speaker 1: I could.
Speaker 15: Are you past the cravings phase? Are you still craving?
Speaker 1: I was dreaming heavily of food, Like, you know that's
Speaker 1: bad when you're just you know, dreaming of a pound cake?
Speaker 15: Were you dreaming of it or were you dreaming of
Speaker 15: eating it?
Speaker 3: I was just dreaming of it. Like you know that
Speaker 3: that intimate's cake that dad used to.
Speaker 1: My dad was the kind of dude that would measure
Speaker 1: like what the family wouldn't take, Like he have the
Speaker 1: sharpie mark on the lemonade bottle and the tea bottle
Speaker 1: and the fruit punch bottle and everything, and how much
Speaker 1: intimated cake was was consumed before he got to it.
Speaker 11: So yeah, that's that's as some real black daddy shit.
Speaker 11: That's real though. There I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3: You don't measure your shit?
Speaker 11: Nah, I don't, I mean most of the time because
Speaker 11: for me with sweets, I particularly buy them in very
Speaker 11: small quantities. And our whole thing with sweets is like
Speaker 11: if I buy it, we gotta kill it today. So
Speaker 11: I let my kids go in, Like if I buy
Speaker 11: like cupcakes or whatever, it's like, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 11: go in today, and then that's it, because if you
Speaker 11: keep it around and you eat it day after day
Speaker 11: after day, then that's how.
Speaker 3: You, you know, set the bad pressure exactly.
Speaker 11: If you just going one day maybe maybe once twice
Speaker 11: a month, maybe you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So even when you were on tour, now forget your kids,
Speaker 1: your bandmates. Some of the worst roots band fights ever
Speaker 1: over food. Oh in the name of food brouh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we would. I remember, I guess the period where
Speaker 1: we just covered almond milk instead of soy milk. Vanilla
Speaker 1: almond milk was just as good on your cereal than
Speaker 1: soy milk was. And I remember, shit was about to
Speaker 1: be set off because it was like I put my
Speaker 1: name on the milk. I guess I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: it was either Hubb or Camal, like they put their
Speaker 1: name on the milk, thus they were claiming it. So
Speaker 1: not realizing this, we kind of killed the milk and
Speaker 1: you know, and shit almost got set off on the tour.
Speaker 3: Phostle, Yeah, it was. It was fade. It was almost
Speaker 3: fade time. So you know that's the.
Speaker 11: Tours would be because particularly if you were on the
Speaker 11: bus and like you've been driving through the middle of
Speaker 11: nowhere and you've been thinking about food. Yeah, you've been
Speaker 11: in your bunk and you get up in the middle
Speaker 11: of the night and go to the bunk, go to
Speaker 11: the refrigerating.
Speaker 3: That shit ain't there.
Speaker 1: You're basically describing Chicago to Denver. For for most for
Speaker 1: more touring acts, I mean, if you're a pop act
Speaker 1: or you're a country act, there's some stops in between
Speaker 1: Chicago and Denver that you can do. But for most
Speaker 1: urban acts, especially if you're under the tuolage of Carol Lewis,
Speaker 1: like the first question she proposes to you is where
Speaker 1: do you want to stop start? Now, logic, she always
Speaker 1: suggests that your hometown should be the last stop on
Speaker 1: the tour because of all the things that you've acquired
Speaker 1: on that tour, you know your home can be your
Speaker 1: last stop. So all the cereal that's on your rider,
Speaker 1: all of the records that you went shopping with, all
Speaker 1: the closes, the sneakers, right, you don't have to ship
Speaker 1: them home from like Mexico, you can. You know, you're
Speaker 1: already in your hometown. So you normally start off on
Speaker 1: the opposite So normally we would start tours like in
Speaker 1: Vancouver and then go counterclockwise Seattle, Portland, San Franco and
Speaker 1: down and then eas.
Speaker 3: Your way back to the East coast.
Speaker 1: But yeah, with with the touring dynamic, there's a whole
Speaker 1: being considerate of food factor that not many people getting
Speaker 1: I suspect that that's probably one of the prime reasons
Speaker 1: why they're more solo accident group accidents.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I can believe it.
Speaker 11: I mean I tell people all the time, if you
Speaker 11: ever want to get to really know a person, live
Speaker 11: with them or tour with them, like, because you can't hide,
Speaker 11: like whatever your vices are, whatever the fuck shit you
Speaker 11: got with you, if you it's gonna come out.
Speaker 3: It's gonna come come out and watch. Oh my god.
Speaker 11: You can't hide, bro, you can't hide. So yeah, if
Speaker 11: tour was not enjoyable at all, request.
Speaker 15: Of I think it's important you know that it's inspirational
Speaker 15: and you're doing so much. I can't tell you how
Speaker 15: many times I've seen your like social posts and I've
Speaker 15: been like, I'm gonna eat some will now he's holding out.
Speaker 15: I don't need this cookie.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I keep going. It's it's it's it's hard.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at it. It's like more for me.
Speaker 3: But you're naturally like a thing god bass Bill.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think you either you're a starving
Speaker 1: artist or you just don't overeat.
Speaker 3: But then you talk about like checkers, I have the
Speaker 3: worst diet world. I have a Steve diet. One has Steve.
Speaker 15: You really want to lose weight, I'll tell you how.
Speaker 16: I lost thirty pounds weed, cigarettes and coffee diabetes.
Speaker 15: That's when I lost thirty pounds.
Speaker 6: But for real, you you're right for those Checkers, huh.
Speaker 6: I mean if it's late at night and nothing else
Speaker 6: is open, I mean, what am I going to do
Speaker 6: as the Checkers in the city. There's lots of them
Speaker 6: in the city.
Speaker 15: What is Checkers?
Speaker 3: Checkers is fast food. It's fast food.
Speaker 15: It's burgers, fries, and cola.
Speaker 3: It's like.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 3: There is I feel like in most most college town
Speaker 3: there's a Checkers. The only one I know of is
Speaker 3: in d C.
Speaker 1: There's one next to that days in On New York,
Speaker 1: A New York I have, yep, do you know about
Speaker 1: that days in Wow?
Speaker 3: Now, I know I know what you're talking about, but
Speaker 3: I don't know what's the specific significance of that. Oh no,
Speaker 3: it's just shot no. Yeah, But it's just that when
Speaker 3: you're in Verry Hotel, I feel like you're no, no, no.
Speaker 3: When you're touring.
Speaker 1: For some reason, promoters will put their artists in that
Speaker 1: particular days in On On, New York Avenue next to
Speaker 1: the twenty four hour Checkers. Like when we were first touring.
Speaker 1: I think the first time we met Old Dirty Bastard,
Speaker 1: he had just mastered returned to the thirty six and
Speaker 1: they gave us. Someone from Electric gave us a copy
Speaker 1: of that CD, like at that hotel. But now I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of crazy shit go down there, like
Speaker 1: with a lot of nineteen ninety four ninety five era
Speaker 1: hip hop acts. Man, who's the girl that's singh think
Speaker 1: five A on the corner right, someone in her crew.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they ram their car inside of
Speaker 1: the room.
Speaker 3: But they did so. Thus, uh, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot of crazy function done went down.
Speaker 1: But you know, speaking speaking of the group Dynamic, today's
Speaker 1: a special episode of Questlove Supreme, and the reason being
Speaker 1: is that our guest today is one of the most
Speaker 1: beloved members of one of the favorite groups of not
Speaker 1: even hip hop history. I guess we have to take
Speaker 1: him out of ye hip hop. Yeah, I think they've
Speaker 1: just become the group Dynamic. But ladies and gentlemen give
Speaker 1: it up for a Q tip. All right, So, brother Kamar,
Speaker 1: is it before we get started? Yeah, you're gonna tell
Speaker 1: me what is that damn sample?
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, don't get for twenty years,
Speaker 3: twenty years, but I don't remember. I don't really don't.
Speaker 3: Sampling don't matter no more. You can reveal I know
Speaker 3: it doesn't.
Speaker 10: I'm not being like that. I totally would reveal it.
Speaker 10: Like I really don't remember. I know it's like an
Speaker 10: e CM joint. I know that for sure. To check Steve.
Speaker 1: Swallow one of those random like library record things. No no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: so it might be Keith Jared.
Speaker 10: It could be you know, well, it's not definitely not that.
Speaker 10: Let me see. Oh I'm feeling like it's Steve Swallow.
Speaker 3: So Paul us a guitar player that pauls.
Speaker 10: Can we talk about that.
Speaker 3: You paused itself? I don't know, but I just just
Speaker 3: it's Ho's fault.
Speaker 1: I think pause is Ho's biggest contribution to hip hop.
Speaker 1: Well it sucks, okay, I agree, I agree more pause
Speaker 1: but I can't.
Speaker 10: But but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I can't remember.
Speaker 2: Man, can't you like Shazama?
Speaker 3: Sample?
Speaker 1: And uh, it doesn't play long enough if it weren't,
Speaker 1: if it were you know, isolated, if it were isolated.
Speaker 10: The minute it here is like a vocals then it
Speaker 10: tunes into the whole.
Speaker 3: I've heard everything. I heard it was red Halt.
Speaker 10: I heard it was It's definitely not that. It's definitely
Speaker 10: putting you in the right or the right terrain there.
Speaker 10: It's definitely some em ship. Damn when I find it.
Speaker 10: I promise you if you saw the album cover, would
Speaker 10: you know what? I wouldn't. I'd have to listen to it.
Speaker 3: Man, do you remember the day you made it? Or
Speaker 3: was it just like I made it there in the studio.
Speaker 3: This is one of those like mindless five minutes.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just went from I just came from record
Speaker 10: shopping and I went to Ed's studio, which is which
Speaker 10: was called Dollar Cab Lab in Flatbush, Wait.
Speaker 3: Special had a studio called Dollar Dollar Cabs.
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, so what what yeah?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What was that? Seriously? Yeah he talked about it in
Speaker 3: a source like I mean back then, I remember that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Dollar Cab Lab, that's where we did it at
Speaker 10: What did you?
Speaker 3: Was you on the sp sp that that was there?
Speaker 10: And I had to I had to break out, so
Speaker 10: I just like do this ship on him like five minutes,
Speaker 10: literally like five ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Pete Rock explained to us that he procrastinated on the
Speaker 1: Shut Him Down remix so last minute that even when
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, yeah, I'm twenty minutes away, he
Speaker 1: just like grabbed anything and just hear it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I'm realizing that some of the best beats in
Speaker 1: hip hop were just mindless and overthinking. Just time to
Speaker 1: overthink it.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so, of course the more help I'm gonna find, I.
Speaker 10: Mean, you know so much because he put it in
Speaker 10: the damn the damn thing, the intro song. So I
Speaker 10: feel really bad that the world.
Speaker 3: Yes, like, there's there's certain samples that I can't find that.
Speaker 10: Ship I got everything, Okay, great, you can work to do.
Speaker 3: All right, we will find it. So coffee, Well wait,
Speaker 3: do you know that the sky sample?
Speaker 10: Of course that's Eric Dolphie.
Speaker 3: That's off the same record that the Jazz is the Prison. No,
Speaker 3: well that is.
Speaker 10: That is not Grant Green.
Speaker 3: That was yeah, Grant Green was the Jazza I'm thinking, so.
Speaker 10: Yes, skypage is Eric Dolphie out to lunch you Jesus?
Speaker 1: All right, all right, finally something that's how even the
Speaker 1: baseline too? Yeah, all right, all right, forgive me ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen like I normally I go through the chronological
Speaker 1: order of a person's life. But no, no, this this
Speaker 1: is a burden in hand to the first moment. All right,
Speaker 1: So tip, sir, I know you're tired of answer these
Speaker 1: questions and we've known it before, but all right, So
Speaker 1: the name of the high school that you guys, Mary Bertram? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what I hear so much about this school? Was it
Speaker 1: a business school? Was it a trade school?
Speaker 10: It was a business school.
Speaker 1: So you aspired it, like when you were in first grade,
Speaker 1: You're like, yo, I want to go to Mary Bertram
Speaker 1: to learn.
Speaker 10: No, no, actually, uh what happened was my sister was
Speaker 10: older than.
Speaker 3: Me, just medical you did. I met her for the
Speaker 3: first time at thirty Rocks Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah. So she's like super duper brain girl, right
Speaker 10: and uh she took the SAT which is standard chest
Speaker 10: back in the day, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3: So they still do that.
Speaker 10: They still do that. Y. So she got like one
Speaker 10: of the top scores in the city and she got
Speaker 10: accepted to Stuyvesant, which is like the top top high school,
Speaker 10: like specialized high school.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 10: So my dad wouldn't let it go. My dad was
Speaker 10: Trance was working for TRANCEY was a token booth clerk
Speaker 10: transit and during the time, you know, there was a
Speaker 10: rash incidents where girls were getting pushed off the platform.
Speaker 10: So my dad was like old school.
Speaker 3: He was like, you're not going to no Manhutdan.
Speaker 10: We were living in Queens, so I was like wanting
Speaker 10: to be like my sister. I'm going to take the
Speaker 10: test too. I want to go to Stuyvesant too. So
Speaker 10: of course I didn't make it. Got accepted though to
Speaker 10: Brooklyn Text. I went to their orientation and it was
Speaker 10: just like all the Decepticon dudes, which was a New
Speaker 10: York gang back then. I was just like, okay, I'm
Speaker 10: not going. Yeah, I'm definitely not going to my zone school.
Speaker 10: So my average was cool, good enough, and I had
Speaker 10: some recommendations that I got accepted to Bertram which was
Speaker 10: a business school. It was like a specialized school.
Speaker 3: And there was safe.
Speaker 10: No, it was not safe. That's why I was getting
Speaker 10: the hell out of there. Okay, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 10: because my zone schools out there. It was like it
Speaker 10: was crazy. I probably would not be sitting here and yeah,
Speaker 10: it was that bad. But so I would hour and
Speaker 10: a half two hours every morning the school to Mary
Speaker 10: Berkram High School, which was ironically enough in that time,
Speaker 10: it was right across the street from police headquarters. So
Speaker 10: but it was they would still make trouble, would still
Speaker 10: managed to find himself and regardless of the proximity of that.
Speaker 10: But yeah, it was a great time, man, it was
Speaker 10: a great time. I remember, you know, before we started
Speaker 10: freshman freshman freshman year, we had the opportunity to go
Speaker 10: to do an early orientation, so I went a little
Speaker 10: bit earlier in August and ship and the first person
Speaker 10: I met was brother J because he went to our
Speaker 10: school too, from X clan.
Speaker 3: Brother J. That was brother Brother J is the rapper.
Speaker 3: He always talk like this. They always they were like
Speaker 3: forty years old. In my head. They were just like
Speaker 3: the old guy like I don't know why I thought
Speaker 3: the man's old guys and not.
Speaker 10: Like nice J never lost it. J still got it nice.
Speaker 10: His voice just crass, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 10: he was the first dude I met at Ali, and
Speaker 10: then as the school year went on, I eventually met Africa.
Speaker 3: And all them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kiarana always jokes that Ali and Mad Yes, but
Speaker 1: she always jokes that Ali always had the Gucci clutch, yeah,
Speaker 1: like but she called she called it the fixed briefcase
Speaker 1: because what was in that bag, like he just wanted.
Speaker 10: Now it was a clutch. He he had a burner
Speaker 10: in there. You had like a you know really yeah
Speaker 10: alas say Mohammed, Yeah from bed stye do or die?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 10: I mean that's how I was back then.
Speaker 3: I always say, your mom is like the fourteenth disciple
Speaker 3: that wasn't mentioned.
Speaker 10: Like angeloises and like, okay, you know he used to
Speaker 10: carry all sorts of stuff in there. But I hope
Speaker 10: I did not out Ali, but uh yeah. School was
Speaker 10: was fun though. Man.
Speaker 3: It was just like.
Speaker 10: I don't know how it was for you guys, but
Speaker 10: back then, like that was for us. That was like
Speaker 10: our kind of coming of age thing.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 10: It was a it was a true place, especially for
Speaker 10: me just geographically being that far away from home. It
Speaker 10: was a place that I could really uh at you
Speaker 10: out you know what I wanted to do or who
Speaker 10: I wanted to be. Yeah, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 10: because I went to school for computer science because I
Speaker 10: wanted to just like be a program designer.
Speaker 3: Did you make some like lifelong friends too?
Speaker 10: You start? Oh yeah, man, it's like, that's everything.
Speaker 1: You're probably one of the figures, one of the few
Speaker 1: figures from the Renaissance hip hop period that doesn't have
Speaker 1: a I dropped out a school narrative. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much eighty of all of our hip hop favorites
Speaker 1: have a story that leads to and I just dropped
Speaker 1: out of high school and went straight to that.
Speaker 10: School post and those guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying that.
Speaker 10: Well, Mace I think dropped out.
Speaker 3: Okay, I see, Mace may have dropped out, But it's
Speaker 3: just weird.
Speaker 1: It's rare that you hear of make, you know, liking
Speaker 1: high school when you know, I actually enjoyed this experience
Speaker 1: because for most people, I mean, high school's none but
Speaker 1: a precursor to prison for some for some you know, So,
Speaker 1: how did I mean obviously you, you and five were
Speaker 1: childhood friends, and you and Ali were high school friends.
Speaker 1: Like how did well, how did Jerobi enter the picture?
Speaker 1: And how did the twain meet? Like, how did you guys?
Speaker 10: Jerobi was he lived on five? Uh, his mom his
Speaker 10: mom's crib was like on my side of the tracks,
Speaker 10: you know, so track thing so and his grandparents' house
Speaker 10: was on the other side of the tracks and when
Speaker 10: he would go to the other side of the tracks,
Speaker 10: that's what Jerobi. That's where he met Jerobi. Okay, so
Speaker 10: that was like around twelve thirteen. So I knew Jerobi
Speaker 10: when he was probably like twelve eleven. That's when I
Speaker 10: first met him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So at this point, even though you're going
Speaker 1: for like in high school, was it just like okay,
Speaker 1: we're just fans of music.
Speaker 3: But you know, there were no grand designs to start
Speaker 3: a band or become.
Speaker 10: Yeah, there was. I mean we were pretty we were
Speaker 10: pretty resolute and what we wanted to do.
Speaker 3: By what point, like ten eleven?
Speaker 10: Wha. I mean I've said before another interviews. You know,
Speaker 10: Fife put the bug in me. We was like nine. Wow,
Speaker 10: you know what I'm saying. We were eleven twelve like
Speaker 10: just wrap. I mean we were goofing, but was definitely
Speaker 10: rapping and definitely like you know how I don't know
Speaker 10: if other kids would do this, but you know you
Speaker 10: have your pad and you right out what the name
Speaker 10: of the group was, who was in it?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you always you remember that used to draw
Speaker 3: album covers? Yeah, yeah, brother, we did the exact same
Speaker 3: thing right right.
Speaker 10: The watch yeah, yeah, the whole ship. Like we did
Speaker 10: a little I remember one time we did we did
Speaker 10: this demo. Uh okay, this is freshman year. No, it
Speaker 10: was tenth grade. It was tenth grade. So we were
Speaker 10: like fifteen. So Jerobi was going to tech, Fife was
Speaker 10: going to Springfield in Queens and me and Ali was
Speaker 10: in Birch or whatever. So on the weekends, you know,
Speaker 10: our hostel a little bit, and for my money, I
Speaker 10: would like scrape up and I would I looked literally
Speaker 10: in the Yellow Pages for like a rehearsal studio. So
Speaker 10: I found this one in the city on Fourteenth Street
Speaker 10: called Giant Rehearsal Studios. Saved up the money and every
Speaker 10: weekend we'd go there and Ali would bring his four
Speaker 10: track that belonged to Uncle Mike, and Uncle Mike used
Speaker 10: to work at Columbia and stuff. So we'd go there
Speaker 10: and we would record like our little routines. So my
Speaker 10: sister was dating Skeef Hanslom and Skef and Jazzy used
Speaker 10: to come by the house like see my sister or whatever.
Speaker 10: Jazzy j So I was like, damn want to be
Speaker 10: a sulation. Oh my gosh, you know, and I know
Speaker 10: it was just like we would be in there working,
Speaker 10: work and work and working, and we had like this horrible,
Speaker 10: these little fucking, wretched, little fucking songs that we worked on.
Speaker 3: And everybody, what was the loop? What did you payback?
Speaker 10: And we had and we had a drummer his name
Speaker 10: was Anton shouts out to a boogie. It's the o
Speaker 10: G a boogie from the brooks.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 10: He was because he was he was drumming in school whatever.
Speaker 10: So I was like, yo, so you're gonna play the
Speaker 10: beat over this and it was called a routine routine.
Speaker 3: And he has your rugby with that beato, so y'all
Speaker 3: just rhyme over the back. Yes, it was pretty bad.
Speaker 10: And Jazzy and Scheff, through my assistance and bucking my
Speaker 10: sister day came one Saturday. They looked like they were hungover,
Speaker 10: like they had they I don't know, maybe Halem World
Speaker 10: or something was the night before and they came by
Speaker 10: and listened to it, and Jazz he was like, Yo,
Speaker 10: that shit was kind of whack.
Speaker 3: Y'all.
Speaker 10: Gotta keep working on that ship, wow, really keep working.
Speaker 13: Like he saw something, he heard something.
Speaker 10: I hope. So, oh, maybe he was just being nice,
Speaker 10: because you know, we wanted up bang one of my
Speaker 10: sister's friends. But that was kind of like but we
Speaker 10: weren't discouraged by it. We just okay, like we were
Speaker 10: some really industrious little bastards man, so we kind of
Speaker 10: like had an idea To answer your question, So was
Speaker 10: this eighty six, eighty eighty? This is eighty five eighty five? Yeah, wait,
Speaker 10: eighty five, eighty six? Yeah, it was probably like eighty
Speaker 10: six eighty six.
Speaker 1: It had to be in eighty six, So I was like,
Speaker 1: even the idea of rhyming over a record, is that
Speaker 1: even the idea back in eighty five?
Speaker 3: Like well, and by eighty six samples were like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that was that was all you had. I think you
Speaker 3: had that if you didn't have a drum machine.
Speaker 10: I mean I remember, I mean look, so what year
Speaker 10: was the biz Dance?
Speaker 3: Eighty eighty six, seven, eighty six, a little bit more.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was like sund.
Speaker 3: Okay, So.
Speaker 1: What was the first step to seriousness as in, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna save up and get this drum machine?
Speaker 3: Or because what I didn't know?
Speaker 1: I only found that recently that you guys actually were
Speaker 1: thinking about signing to Geffen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, back in eighty nine, I read Yeah, I forgot
Speaker 3: where I read that.
Speaker 10: But because Jeff Fenster gave us, well, Glenn Freeman was
Speaker 10: really the orange pin to the whole things. So, you know,
Speaker 10: I had worked with Jungle. You know, we were in
Speaker 10: high school and they were finishing up the album.
Speaker 1: So they were the Jungle Brothers in her high school.
Speaker 1: I mean Jim Brownski Era was in high school. So
Speaker 1: while they were in the high school Jim Brownski's album,
Speaker 1: what was like like for them to.
Speaker 10: Crazy because even for us, like in Philly, like it
Speaker 10: must have been crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I can imagine in high school, high school
Speaker 1: having a record out the Jungle Bros.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that was kind of ill.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 10: It was wild because we were finishing up the album
Speaker 10: while I believe we were in twelfth grade.
Speaker 3: And finishing up the debut album for people. So wow, no, no, no.
Speaker 10: Finishing up of Jungle, gotcha. So you know I did
Speaker 10: some ship on it. I did uh promo, well, I
Speaker 10: did promo that was eleventh grade, and.
Speaker 3: Then Time and then Time yeah, and then promo two.
Speaker 10: Yeah, in Time that was for the album and Black
Speaker 10: as Black did that and I the first record I
Speaker 10: ever mixed was straight out the Jungle, So it was
Speaker 10: me and Red Alert and Tony D and Mike. We
Speaker 10: actually mixed that record. That was the first time and
Speaker 10: I remember yeah and Red and Red was like, so
Speaker 10: this is what you do, tip, So these are the faders,
Speaker 10: so I already equed it. We got it sounded right.
Speaker 10: So before we're gonna do a couple of takes, and
Speaker 10: I want you to ride this up and then when
Speaker 10: we hit this, I need you to ride the next
Speaker 10: fader up, but don't bring it to don't bring it
Speaker 10: past this point. They had the tape on it. Don't
Speaker 10: bring it past this point. And then after that, I'm
Speaker 10: gonna let you do one with If you want to
Speaker 10: do a different one, then you just do it different.
Speaker 10: But for the first couple, like Red was just like
Speaker 10: Red Alert.
Speaker 3: You the automated system, Well it was.
Speaker 10: It was I never did it before, right, you know
Speaker 10: what I'm saying. Mike had did him and Aff were
Speaker 10: doing by himself. That was like my first time actually
Speaker 10: mixing a joint, you know what I'm saying. I was crazy,
Speaker 10: like intimidated, but excited about it because I felt like, wow,
Speaker 10: this is fucking Red Alert.
Speaker 3: And in high school at high school, so he was
Speaker 3: of legend status o man, he was.
Speaker 10: I was just telling my assistant as we were talking about,
Speaker 10: you know the history of this studio. Like right across
Speaker 10: the street was Latin Quarter. There's a parking lot on
Speaker 10: forty eighth Street. That's what Latin Quarter was. He's wearing
Speaker 10: Old Quad City, right, yeah, Old Quad Studios.
Speaker 3: I call this Tupac Central. Yeah really, so right.
Speaker 10: Across the street was Latin Quarter and that was where
Speaker 10: Red was. Like he bought the whole Harlem and Bronx
Speaker 10: ship to Midtown and he was ruling ship like that
Speaker 10: was I mean, even Magic and Molly and them was
Speaker 10: like on the radio, they was the Dawn. Tan's the
Speaker 10: thing that kind of took to me, in my just
Speaker 10: opinion that had read elevated is because he had a
Speaker 10: place to play. Literally after he went, after he was
Speaker 10: on the radio, everybody would flock to the quarters or
Speaker 10: go to the square.
Speaker 3: So that was up the block.
Speaker 10: So Red was, Yes, he was supreme status, Like you
Speaker 10: will go to the Latin Quarter yeah, hell yeah, I have,
Speaker 10: I got I got a lot of Latin Quarta stories.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was going to say everyone that's I've been trying
Speaker 1: to get the definitive Latin Quarter story out of people, right.
Speaker 1: And but the thing that amazes me the most about
Speaker 1: the legend of the Latin Quarter, right is the fact.
Speaker 3: That you go there knowing that someone's going to know.
Speaker 10: Well, I mean that was his old joint Latin Quarter,
Speaker 10: so he transformed into something different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you really know about it that we don't know.
Speaker 1: But no, no, I'm just saying that like our Latin Quarter,
Speaker 1: and Philly was a place called After Midnight, of which
Speaker 1: my parents were like, hell, no, people get shot there.
Speaker 3: No, you ain't going. But everyone that has done this
Speaker 3: show has a Latin Quarter story.
Speaker 10: Was Whose house was it?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 10: Was that like a schooly d? Yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 3: It was. The The reason why.
Speaker 1: The reason why After Midnight was so special was because
Speaker 1: at the point where MSG stopped hosting hip hop after
Speaker 1: the death all that stuff, the closest you could get.
Speaker 1: You couldn't even get to the spectrum. Sometimes you could,
Speaker 1: but like the East Coast Mecca least and Chuck The's
Speaker 1: Eyes was like always After Midnight, Lady B hosted that.
Speaker 10: Yeah exactly, But it's just that people don't talk about
Speaker 10: her enough.
Speaker 1: But every but every person that talks on the show
Speaker 1: about Latin Quarter they I guess the rewards of hearing
Speaker 1: hip hop far outweighed the risk of getting shot or
Speaker 1: getting your chain taken or it was exciting.
Speaker 3: No, you know what I'm saying, Like, well you went
Speaker 3: with Red, obviously correct.
Speaker 10: Violators. We'd be carrying carrying his records. The first time
Speaker 10: I met Chris Slider, who was carrying Red's records. So
Speaker 10: later I became you know, after I was became the
Speaker 10: dude whould always carry REDS records. Yeah, well it was
Speaker 10: Chris and he would do that for a while. Then
Speaker 10: as Jungle started popping, I was still around, So then
Speaker 10: I eventually became REDS Record.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't like you had to wait outside for
Speaker 3: an hour to get in an I would meet up
Speaker 3: with a f And.
Speaker 10: The first time I went to the Last quarters, right,
Speaker 10: there was a sabarro across the streets, pizza. There was
Speaker 10: probably the scene. Yeah, right, thinking about that, so.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 10: So we're on the corner, so it's hot. It's like
Speaker 10: must have been one hundred degrees that day. So we're
Speaker 10: out there, right, it's like twelve thirty. So AF and
Speaker 10: I standing in the corner and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 10: I'm waiting for my man on Greg. He said about
Speaker 10: Greg Nice. He's like, Now, at the time, Greg Nice
Speaker 10: was the beat box for Empcy Search and they were
Speaker 10: on Select. And at first I see they've come around
Speaker 10: the corner. Search has this crazy high top and he's
Speaker 10: eating watermelon from you know those you know when you
Speaker 10: go to the delis and you go to the fruit bars,
Speaker 10: and he got the watermelon. He's like and was like, Yo,
Speaker 10: this nigger crazy Yota, this is Search.
Speaker 3: This is Greg.
Speaker 10: Greg was like what what up? He's like up, He's
Speaker 10: like this Search. We're all kids, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: And Searches they're like yo, what up?
Speaker 3: Homeboy?
Speaker 10: And the water bellon juices. I'm like, this dude is wow.
Speaker 10: I didn't know see ship. Then d Nice comes up.
Speaker 10: He had his BDP ship on it whatever, his little
Speaker 10: letther BDP Dapper Dan Joint.
Speaker 3: He's like, ah, was like a Derek. He's like, yoah,
Speaker 3: what up?
Speaker 10: What up y'all. He's like, yeah, it's cute.
Speaker 3: Tip.
Speaker 10: He's like, what up?
Speaker 1: Slight pause, yes if d Nice who okay, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: my fault. D Nice is team right alert, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: getting my yeah right right. It's I'm thinking wait, d
Speaker 1: Nice is not supposed to be there. That's the wrong territory,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 10: You like that really because all of the juice crews,
Speaker 10: I mean, it wasn't really like that was more of
Speaker 10: an instigation of magics. They always kind of.
Speaker 3: Like around when okay took so so.
Speaker 10: D k and A was like, Okay, we're gonna go in,
Speaker 10: and Derek was like, now I'm about to meet Caine
Speaker 10: and I was just like, I just straightened up his
Speaker 10: shit because you know, Caine is Caine at the moment,
Speaker 10: he's tears shit up and he It was just off
Speaker 10: of just rhyming with Biz and then you would always
Speaker 10: hear about this dude Caine, like in the streets whatever,
Speaker 10: in the circles. So we go across the street on
Speaker 10: the side of the block where Latin Quarter was. We
Speaker 10: leave the to borrow All you can eat station and
Speaker 10: we go to the that'side and then about fifteen minutes later,
Speaker 10: you know, we smoking whatever. Fifteen minutes later, Limo pulls
Speaker 10: up and his cane and he's in a limo and
Speaker 10: he's like, what up, Derek, what up?
Speaker 3: Y'all?
Speaker 10: Everybody's like, yo, what up? Whatever. We're just like standing
Speaker 10: back and he was like, yeah, yeah, so play me
Speaker 10: that joint and sudden he was like his man, I
Speaker 10: guess was sitting on it was a super stretch, so
Speaker 10: I guess the uh the tape player was towards the partition,
Speaker 10: towards the front. So his man presses play and it's raw. Wow,
Speaker 10: it's it's rushing out of the fucking window and it's
Speaker 10: just everything just got just at that moment, like how
Speaker 10: we just had just the second how everything kind of
Speaker 10: got still was like that for like four minutes. It
Speaker 10: just got still. So you heard pre raw like yes,
Speaker 10: and and Derek was like as soon as it came on,
Speaker 10: shouts out to d that's my brother. He was like,
Speaker 10: oh yeah, it has to beat the sandy and the
Speaker 10: mused talking about I'll take your man and so okay, okay,
Speaker 10: he has said that, and k was like, yeah, but
Speaker 10: it ain't this ship and it was that that ship rocked.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 10: I was I couldn't think of nothing else like and
Speaker 10: then he just drove ae, I got the show whatever,
Speaker 10: and he just drove off in the night. He met
Speaker 10: him there to play him raw and that was just
Speaker 10: that was one of my Latin quarter moment.
Speaker 3: Sorry, No, that's exactly that was a Q tip exclusive. Wow.
Speaker 3: So wow, okay, that was that was a happy, a
Speaker 3: great you know, makes it nobody moment. Waiting, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh man, he please don't live it say he said,
Speaker 3: nigga please.
Speaker 1: All right, if you're just joining us, we're chatting with
Speaker 1: the rapper, actor, producer DJ member of a legendary hip hop.
Speaker 3: Group a tripholl Quest Q Tip.
Speaker 1: The group released their critically claimed sixth studio album, We
Speaker 1: Got It from Here, Thank You for Your Service in
Speaker 1: November of twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: Have you guys ever performed at the Latin Quarter? No,
Speaker 3: we didn't know.
Speaker 10: Okay, okay, I saw a lot of performances there, though, what.
Speaker 3: Did you see? I know you saw like a lot
Speaker 3: of first I saw well, I.
Speaker 10: Saw mc light uh cram to understand you. And then
Speaker 10: when she got off stage, I tried to kick it
Speaker 10: to her and she was kind of happening and we
Speaker 10: went on a date ship. Yeah, okay, that's what's up.
Speaker 10: You got that?
Speaker 3: No, but that but that was it was.
Speaker 10: It was it was early. I mean, you know, it
Speaker 10: was like Crean and said she was That was the
Speaker 10: first one of the first that I saw audio to
Speaker 10: do before they did that. I like cherries. So was
Speaker 10: it grape sauce hour?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, wow? Did that fly over with y'all? Though?
Speaker 3: Was there a little bit of have you seen.
Speaker 1: A legendary act perform at the Latin Quarter that didn't
Speaker 1: have their sit together at that moment? I mean, I've
Speaker 1: heard conflicting reports of public enemies first time.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I didn't see that night. I didn't see that night,
Speaker 10: but I heard that that that.
Speaker 3: Was about Chuck's on the mission.
Speaker 11: He said that was it didn't go well and he
Speaker 11: said it was actually Melly Mail in the back was like, yeah,
Speaker 11: he's like Mail had.
Speaker 3: Like the big deb yo. These niggas as wax yol.
Speaker 3: It was ill because you yo mail is.
Speaker 10: I mean, we all know right right it's not Rushmore architect,
Speaker 10: But at that time it was like a generation.
Speaker 3: The old guy in the back and it was but
Speaker 3: it wasn't that.
Speaker 10: But we never viewed him. We always looked at him
Speaker 10: as yo, that's Melly Mau like your mayor busy be
Speaker 10: got suicide. He's ringing off like we were still kind
Speaker 10: of fucking with him. I feel like Mel kind of felt, no, well,
Speaker 10: he would come and will always instigate the fact that
Speaker 10: he was older and we were young niggas. Y'all young,
Speaker 10: y'all young niggas and y'all young boys. I'll be seeing
Speaker 10: him in the court be like like with the muscles,
Speaker 10: I'm flexing out there.
Speaker 3: Everybody. Yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo
Speaker 3: yo yo yo you.
Speaker 10: Young ya young niggas don't know what you know?
Speaker 1: All this ship and wasn't And I saw the battle, yeah,
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars battle.
Speaker 10: Yeah with KRS. And he got up on stage.
Speaker 3: This is meiling male versus Kress.
Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, I saw that ship and mel was on
Speaker 10: stage doing push ups and ship.
Speaker 3: Like jack.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 3: It was Easter.
Speaker 10: It was the Easter Easter Sunday. And you know, He's like,
Speaker 10: I'm real, I'm a real nigga from the bunks ship.
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying. You know, Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 10: trying to play. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it because I don't like it sounds
Speaker 3: just like him.
Speaker 13: That's why I'm laughing, because.
Speaker 10: That niggas.
Speaker 3: An old man's trip.
Speaker 10: He is fucking can open and ship on barehand and
Speaker 10: type ship.
Speaker 1: One time, one time I did a documentary. I did
Speaker 1: a documentary which one time we were not.
Speaker 3: I was in the documentary once in my life. You
Speaker 3: need a sound effect that I was in a documentary once.
Speaker 1: No Man had admitted that when he was doing White
Speaker 1: Lines he was on coke, that he was cooked up.
Speaker 3: So I have to mention that, Wait, you do you
Speaker 3: remember this?
Speaker 10: Like did not know this?
Speaker 3: No No so at Tasty Treats.
Speaker 10: Oh he came to Tasty treat.
Speaker 1: Dog Okay, like I mentioned in the documentary. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, well the ironic thing about White Lines was
Speaker 1: anti drug message.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dog, I got I got a better one.
Speaker 1: So there was that moment where I was djaying and
Speaker 1: then y'all mean was like, hey, yo, Mellye's mail. Melly
Speaker 1: Mel want to talk to you one second because he
Speaker 1: said that because you said him, because you said he was.
Speaker 3: On crack, because and I was like what I looked
Speaker 3: to the right. It was this mail with like missiling
Speaker 3: man status. Though, yeah, this is hell. Like wound up
Speaker 3: being around for like two or three years at every event.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we squashed it, but then he just came
Speaker 1: to every event, at every Okay player event.
Speaker 3: He noticed that wait, he was there at the Christmas
Speaker 3: party with.
Speaker 10: He used to be seeing Melle bell in there.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, wearing lime greens. I love shout out to Mel.
Speaker 3: Mel is a legend.
Speaker 10: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So all right, see, I want to stay at the latt.
Speaker 3: Got it got that quarter, We.
Speaker 10: Got enough, I think we got But anyway, I'll finished
Speaker 10: this up. That krs. You know, Mel had said some
Speaker 10: rap whatever and he was like, you're supreme and he
Speaker 10: hit the floor, was doing like push ups and they
Speaker 10: threw the beat on it. I forget what the beat was,
Speaker 10: and all I can remember is Kris was hitting that
Speaker 10: rund from poetry? Right, how did this start? Let us begin? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 10: no no no, that's my philosophy. Poetry, the poetry.
Speaker 3: You stop.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he say something now he put the mic down
Speaker 10: to him.
Speaker 3: Thought so it was like one of them, it was.
Speaker 3: It was over for real.
Speaker 10: Niggas start fighting. Niggas got they shut the ship down,
Speaker 10: the normal quarter like it was just quiet.
Speaker 3: It was. It was wild. Were you there for the
Speaker 3: last the quote last night?
Speaker 10: That was the last night?
Speaker 3: Everybody day one day, normal.
Speaker 10: Easter Sunday when that ship happened and niggas the violets
Speaker 10: got into it, and I'm telling you that was the
Speaker 10: last night.
Speaker 1: Everyone has a last night at the last quarter, like
Speaker 1: Faith Newman had her last.
Speaker 3: Night, like her last night? Like what was her last night?
Speaker 3: What she said? Right? I think it was I can't remember,
Speaker 3: but she.
Speaker 1: Said, wasn't there for the last night? She said, a
Speaker 1: fight broke? I remember she said. It was like all this,
Speaker 1: we need to have that Hunter to finish the story
Speaker 1: and then to damn. She was a coach, that girl.
Speaker 1: That's why I want to get her on the show.
Speaker 3: She knows mas progress. That's amazing. Yeah, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: it's not a stab.
Speaker 10: I love him the Hunter, so do jack me too?
Speaker 3: Anyway? All right, so all right, wait, I feel like
Speaker 3: there's more.
Speaker 1: What what other historical first in classic hip hop history
Speaker 1: have you been able to witness?
Speaker 3: Let me see?
Speaker 10: Oh well, I remember when Biz was working on.
Speaker 3: Just a Friend. I heard you're the reason that it
Speaker 3: even came to be.
Speaker 10: You told him like, well, it wasn't that, like not
Speaker 10: Q Tip told me to do it or some ship
Speaker 10: like well, he he played it for for me in
Speaker 10: Calliope Studios, and the original was you you must be
Speaker 10: on speed. If you say he's just your friend, you
Speaker 10: must be on speed. I was like, Biz, you cannot
Speaker 10: say that, or he's that.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 10: I was thinking about doing this other one. You you
Speaker 10: got what I need.
Speaker 3: I was like, you must be on speed.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's another Yeah, a Juice Crew interpolation didn't didn't
Speaker 1: Big Daddy Kane do a perfect combination? Or you on
Speaker 1: your suation. He had a whole routine with Biz where
Speaker 1: they used to do Johnny I believe that. I was like,
Speaker 1: live it never mad, Yeah, record okay, I believe. I
Speaker 1: mean it was so routinely done, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: somewhere in history there it exists something.
Speaker 3: It has to be somewhere on some demo tape. I
Speaker 3: could believe that somewhere. I forgot to ask Marley that question.
Speaker 1: All right, So your record collection, see before before your
Speaker 1: career and I guess during at least up to the
Speaker 1: Jungle Brothers, Like at what point are you?
Speaker 3: Are you going through your father's records?
Speaker 10: Like how are you well, I'm going through my father's
Speaker 10: record before all of it, Like as a kid, it
Speaker 10: was my father's records.
Speaker 1: Let me let me okay what I really wanted to okay,
Speaker 1: Like the Bronx had their beginnings of hip hops and
Speaker 1: going to part jams and whatnot.
Speaker 3: Was there a story of that in.
Speaker 10: Queen's Actually, of course Brooklyn and Queen's actually there was
Speaker 10: a lot of this. It's a lot of even recent
Speaker 10: recollection about the beginnings of literal hip hop, you know
Speaker 10: what I'm saying, like jams and shit. Know, Grahad Master
Speaker 10: Flowers was doing it Brooklyn, but he but the Brooklyn
Speaker 10: and Queens guys they would always be you know, it
Speaker 10: was the parties would kind of be overflowing there that
Speaker 10: that was the territory, much like Bronx and Harlem, you
Speaker 10: know what I mean that connection.
Speaker 3: Because we only hear about the Bronx and I know, like.
Speaker 10: A lot of this if you look. It's funny because
Speaker 10: one night somebody sent me a link and one night
Speaker 10: I just got into this whole YouTube. You know, yeah,
Speaker 10: exactly It's Labyrinth and you see all of these these
Speaker 10: ogs from like Brooklyn and Queens. You know, they had
Speaker 10: Infinity sound out of Queens. You had the Albino Twins
Speaker 10: and Disco Twins, like an Infinity machine was a pretty
Speaker 10: big sound system at the same time as you know,
Speaker 10: the Hercule, which was cool herds and Sashquash, which was
Speaker 10: Gene and them ship. So Queens has big sound systems.
Speaker 10: In Brooklyn had some sound systems as well too. So
Speaker 10: the first time I went to a jam, I must
Speaker 10: have been about six seven, and I believe that grand
Speaker 10: Master Flowers was DJ. And it was actually a one
Speaker 10: one block off where of Fife's mother lived on that
Speaker 10: side of the tracks. And that was the first time
Speaker 10: I've seen a DJ bring It was not any scratching,
Speaker 10: but it would just be like, you know, bringing it
Speaker 10: back kind of and it was hot shot. It was
Speaker 10: a hot shot. Yeah, I think it was hot shot,
Speaker 10: hot shot, hot shot hot to Yeah, that joint exactly,
Speaker 10: and that it was just that was like the first
Speaker 10: recollection of that. Everybody was like kind of on the
Speaker 10: carry line. No, okay, I remember that break Ye. Dad
Speaker 10: was early. That was early, and that was like an
Speaker 10: instigation into getting record for me. But you know, luckily,
Speaker 10: you know, my dad had a pretty substantial record collection
Speaker 10: and he would trade with my aunt Effie was up
Speaker 10: in Harlem and my other my cousin lived a few
Speaker 10: blocks away and they had like a bunch of records.
Speaker 10: And then my my my friend lived across the street.
Speaker 10: He was much older than me, Eric Saler Squad No, No,
Speaker 10: not that one. Oh okay, it's another Saddler family. So
Speaker 10: they had a bunch of records, so I'd be like
Speaker 10: raising everybody's joints and just listening to music. Then by
Speaker 10: the time you know, I started thirteen fourteen and the
Speaker 10: breaks and all that stuff, you start hearing all of that,
Speaker 10: I started putting two and two together. Because at first
Speaker 10: it was just like a family hobby to collect records,
Speaker 10: so it wasn't really from a position of like grapping breakbeats.
Speaker 10: But then that that kind of between from when I
Speaker 10: was seven up to ten, it was just about a
Speaker 10: record collecting thing. And then when you got to when
Speaker 10: I got to like twelve, thirteen fourteen, I started realizing
Speaker 10: put two and two together and made the connection of
Speaker 10: what it was. So that's kind of how I kind
Speaker 10: of got into the whole.
Speaker 1: So your dad encouraged, didn't discourage you from touching his
Speaker 1: record collection, you didn't have it.
Speaker 3: Don't touch my stereo, dad.
Speaker 10: Or my mother was more still, yeah, I would do
Speaker 10: that and fuck the ship up. Yeah, because you know,
Speaker 10: you have the whole, the one system with the take
Speaker 10: the open the wood cover and.
Speaker 3: Like, but I won't look at you know that type
Speaker 3: of Yeah, it was the belt drive.
Speaker 11: They were like, they wouldn't even go back. It was
Speaker 11: just straight the belt drive. It wasn't direct drive.
Speaker 10: Yeah, which'all think?
Speaker 13: How do y'all think that affects music now that the
Speaker 13: era of your parents' records is over? Like kids today
Speaker 13: don't get to go through their parents'.
Speaker 3: Albums like we all did. Yeah, because now there's ninetyums.
Speaker 10: Do they go through it?
Speaker 3: But do they go through their parents? I phone out
Speaker 3: like how do you.
Speaker 11: My boys get it in the car? Like when when
Speaker 11: we go on road trips and stuff and I'm playing
Speaker 11: my music, that's.
Speaker 3: When they get you control the music? Yeah, I control
Speaker 3: the music in the car. The car is a lot
Speaker 3: much to their chagarn uh. Sometimes I mean you're purposely
Speaker 3: like they got headphones on. Sometimes.
Speaker 10: Do you find that that in the car when you're
Speaker 10: having those trips that they are a little bit more
Speaker 10: open to hearing it? And I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 10: Dad like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was I mean I give me an
Speaker 1: example that someone from our era that they really dig
Speaker 1: someone from from our era.
Speaker 3: I mean that you put them onto you like when
Speaker 3: they was like five or six. Yo. No, no dead ass.
Speaker 11: And I'm not saying just because he was here. When
Speaker 11: the new record came out, I was just playing it
Speaker 11: in the house and my son came home from school.
Speaker 11: He's like, oh, Dad, is that the new Tribe album?
Speaker 11: And he and you had them like, oh, I had him.
Speaker 11: I was like, you might be, you might get it,
Speaker 11: but not my son.
Speaker 3: He was he's fifteen, and so he was. I mean,
Speaker 3: I had him. I was playing when he was a kid.
Speaker 11: I made him like a tape of just some of
Speaker 11: my favorite music, had some Tribe on there. Micheondego, cello
Speaker 11: like came. I mean, I just made him a tape
Speaker 11: and so he would go to sleep to that as
Speaker 11: a kid. And so now I will say, man, I mean,
Speaker 11: and I see. I think this generation, the kids, they're
Speaker 11: the most open because everything is free. So whereas back
Speaker 11: in our day, like you might want to take a
Speaker 11: chance on a radio Head or some shit.
Speaker 3: But it's like, Okay, I can buy Radiohead, I can
Speaker 3: buy Cuban links. Yeah, nigga buy a cubul links. I mean,
Speaker 3: but now everything is available.
Speaker 11: So those kids, now, my boys, they listen to everything
Speaker 11: from like the most ignorant trap shit to like Tribe King,
Speaker 11: you know what I mean, Like they listen to it
Speaker 11: all because they have access.
Speaker 3: To reach starters that way.
Speaker 1: Celia, when she was born, I made her an iPod
Speaker 1: of just random stuff and to this day, like she's eleven,
Speaker 1: but she loves the police.
Speaker 3: Why she loves my boy my son.
Speaker 11: For last Christmas, he asked for uh, he wanted me
Speaker 11: to buy him a CD copy of Metallica's and Justice
Speaker 11: Fall because he used to play one on Guitar Hero.
Speaker 3: And so that like led him that.
Speaker 11: So like that ship Queens of the Stone Age, like
Speaker 11: all that kind of you know, Rocky's into that.
Speaker 10: It's funny because you know, my little cousins they are
Speaker 10: like fourteen fifteen, and you know they're not necessarily what
Speaker 10: everybody deals with the millennial or whatever. I feel like
Speaker 10: that that crew is a little bit more open. It's
Speaker 10: like it's like, okay, I feel like the millennials or
Speaker 10: whatever when they had streaming and all of that stuff
Speaker 10: and it hit for them. It it wasn't you know,
Speaker 10: the functionality of what streaming really was to be, which
Speaker 10: was to cross sectionalize all types of music, hadn't really
Speaker 10: league came hit its stride with them and hasn't really
Speaker 10: following them with that younger generation through watching them, sees
Speaker 10: that it's really, hey, it's about all of this shit everything. Yeah,
Speaker 10: you know, because I was surprised, like like a year
Speaker 10: and a half ago we had like this in store.
Speaker 10: We did this collaboration with Stucy and the line was
Speaker 10: like around the corner. Store was like, yo, nigga. Prior
Speaker 10: to this, I was cutting my lawn in my New
Speaker 10: York Jets socks and my fucking Nike shorts. I had
Speaker 10: my tank top one, you know, smoking bead yelling at
Speaker 10: my dogs, scratching my back like I.
Speaker 3: Ain't been out. It's like, come do this. I'm like okay,
Speaker 3: and you go to it.
Speaker 10: You see this and it's these fifteen sixteen year old
Speaker 10: kids like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: You don't know what I'm like, huh. Pop up stores
Speaker 3: are now there. It's the new black.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yes, it's encouraging and it feels it feels encouraging. I'man
Speaker 10: encouraged by it.
Speaker 11: No, you, I will say, Tom, you were one of
Speaker 11: the one of my favorite producers in the sense that
Speaker 11: you always though I've always described it is like you
Speaker 11: always kept the foot.
Speaker 3: In both worlds.
Speaker 11: Like you could do a Midnight Marauders, but then could
Speaker 11: do the infamous you know what I'm saying. Or you
Speaker 11: could do like a Craig mac remix, and like you
Speaker 11: always found a way even when you work with big
Speaker 11: mainstream acts of the time, you still found a way
Speaker 11: to put your stamp on what.
Speaker 3: You were doing.
Speaker 11: And I think that's and in my opinion to me,
Speaker 11: that always kept you kind of you. You never to me,
Speaker 11: never came across as like that bitter guy like a
Speaker 11: lot of the older cats.
Speaker 10: So you know what it is, you know why, and
Speaker 10: he could tell you it's not evenly a big secret.
Speaker 10: It's DJ right, don't you find it?
Speaker 1: I mean like DJing or I'm smart about it now
Speaker 1: because I wasn't DJing as heavy since maybe the last
Speaker 1: three or four records where I'm now aware of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now now I know why Dre, Like when I saw
Speaker 1: straight out of Compton and realize the environment that Dre
Speaker 1: was DJing a at that roller skating rink where it's
Speaker 1: like you play the wrong record, that's your ass. Now realize, oh,
Speaker 1: that's why all of Dre's stuff is taking no prisoners
Speaker 1: with with his singles and stuff like it has to
Speaker 1: just got to hit grab you by the throat.
Speaker 3: Now I realize that that, yeah, that's that's the.
Speaker 10: The other thing about it too, is that it's it's
Speaker 10: you get to see what works and why, you know,
Speaker 10: because I, you know, I think that you and I
Speaker 10: we maybe I think we come from the same philosophy
Speaker 10: when we spend you know what I'm saying, it's like,
Speaker 10: you know, current, current, a little bit back on another one, throwback,
Speaker 10: tempo wise, tempo match, baseline match and boom now current,
Speaker 10: you know current, you know, just to try to mix
Speaker 10: and then sometimes you know that the crowd may not
Speaker 10: know the throwbacks, but you just want to see the
Speaker 10: reaction if if it's one of the yeah, because because
Speaker 10: if it if it doesn't stop the groove and that
Speaker 10: you who's moving it to it. It's a great study,
Speaker 10: you know.
Speaker 3: Psychological stuff.
Speaker 1: If you're just tuning in, we're getting a hip hop
Speaker 1: history lesson with rapper actor producer DJ member of a
Speaker 1: tripal Quest Q Tip. The reason why I brought the
Speaker 1: record collection is because in the era of when you
Speaker 1: guys finally get your debut record out.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: First of all, the long ass title of People's Instinctive
Speaker 1: Travels and the Paths of Rhythm.
Speaker 10: Why I mean Captain beef Hart and yeah, I mean,
Speaker 10: you know, we need a title.
Speaker 1: We need to stick the fuck out when we need
Speaker 1: other options for the debut album.
Speaker 3: Before was the you know either or we always had
Speaker 3: like three to choose from it.
Speaker 10: Now were just like, yo, this is what it.
Speaker 3: Is really, you know. Okay, So in the era of
Speaker 3: you guys making that record.
Speaker 1: Well as a music producer, the first thing, the reason
Speaker 1: why I have a dividing line between the renaissance era
Speaker 1: of hip hop and the classic era of hip hop
Speaker 1: and the thin line that's in between is the fact
Speaker 1: that you guys managed to miraculously avoid James brown Well
Speaker 1: using anything from Break B Loo's Ultimate Beats and Breaks collection,
Speaker 1: which all right for our listeners, Break B Lou shout Out,
Speaker 1: What's Up?
Speaker 3: Lou? Lou Flores.
Speaker 1: Wisely came up with a Wikipedia or a cliff notes
Speaker 1: if you will.
Speaker 10: Of records and street Beat Lenny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Street b Lenny shout Out of all the records
Speaker 1: that Bam and HERK and fl and Theodore would spin.
Speaker 3: Back in the day.
Speaker 1: And when this compilation came out, in late nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: five through nineteen eighty nine, pretty much, I'll say sixty
Speaker 1: percent of most hip hop relied on these breaks for
Speaker 1: their daily diet. All these you know, synthetic substitution impeached
Speaker 1: to President. God made me funky. It was just to
Speaker 1: the point where the average record take, like, take a
Speaker 1: producer like Herbie Lovebug his productions on saying, like a
Speaker 1: filler cut on a kid in play record, You get comprised.
Speaker 3: You can they tell, oh, that's volume made.
Speaker 1: He used the drums from here and the loop from
Speaker 1: there and the baseline from there, you know, all on
Speaker 1: the same record where you really didn't do any heavy digging.
Speaker 1: So this is the first time, or at least with
Speaker 1: the native tongues, this is the first time that I'm
Speaker 1: hearing loops that aren't on the compilation. And it's like,
Speaker 1: oh God, I gotta do some work to figure out
Speaker 1: what they use.
Speaker 10: What this is? What was that?
Speaker 1: Was that already a rule that like no substitution, no
Speaker 1: funky drummer, no impeached the president.
Speaker 10: Yeah we were.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 10: It was a crew of us, right like it was
Speaker 10: me Africa, Juju.
Speaker 3: The Beatnuts. Who is the music head of the beat nuts.
Speaker 10: They both are.
Speaker 3: But who's your go to?
Speaker 10: Well, Juju, who made because Juju? I mean because that
Speaker 10: was my men, like in senior year high school, like
Speaker 10: we were me him Rashad.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 10: They all went to the No no, no, we all
Speaker 10: went to different schools, but we were all like meet
Speaker 10: up at the hubs and ship, like we just knew
Speaker 10: niggas from when you know, we was getting up getting
Speaker 10: beats and ship and you'd see dudes, you be like, yo,
Speaker 10: that dude got because we always there was a there
Speaker 10: was a small group of us who was like anti
Speaker 10: break beat, you know what I mean, Like we had
Speaker 10: to have the right ship, you know what I feel like,
Speaker 10: all right, the.
Speaker 3: Large professor substitutions. But not once did you feel like
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, well after after you know, after we've established
Speaker 10: ourselves in that way, you didn't come back. There's been
Speaker 10: times I've used substitution kicks and ship like that and like.
Speaker 3: That whatever tell yeah okay, or like you know, and
Speaker 3: like Pete would.
Speaker 10: Use he would use substitution a lot, you know, some
Speaker 10: of them ships. Just as a producer, you'd be like, yo,
Speaker 10: that ship is still that that James brown Snea is
Speaker 10: still rocking. We got to boot, you know what I mean.
Speaker 10: But back then, early on, it was just about it
Speaker 10: was about the hunt nigga, you know, saying you know
Speaker 10: that ship just had the fight. It was just like
Speaker 10: and then we got so on it. We would travel
Speaker 10: out of town and fights. Me and Paul would get
Speaker 10: fucking rent cars and.
Speaker 3: Be driving Pittsburgh. Yeah, all types of ship. You would
Speaker 3: go to Jerry's and Pittsburgh. Yep.
Speaker 10: I went to Jerry's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, if any beat bigger.
Speaker 1: There's seven Pilgrimage like Mecca Pilgrim, but Jerry's you'll never
Speaker 1: get past.
Speaker 3: Like the letter D and or C right right, right right,
Speaker 3: that's how large his warehouse is.
Speaker 10: But the crew was it was like Juju and and
Speaker 10: this is the crew. Like we all would know each other.
Speaker 10: We all would go to spots and ship. It was
Speaker 10: Juju Diamond large myself Africa, Pete, I said Paul, right, Paul.
Speaker 1: Prem had already bought a store.
Speaker 10: He already had everything. Wow, he had a store. Oh
Speaker 10: Latif Latif, I said Rashad, No, noah, it was we
Speaker 10: was we was. Mark already had He's a OG so
Speaker 10: he was already. So Prem had the record store that
Speaker 10: he bought when he was in Texas and came and
Speaker 10: they just shipped him every like forty thousand records of
Speaker 10: some crazy ship. So he had everything, and Mark had everything.
Speaker 10: So we were all putting our ships together kind of
Speaker 10: at that time, you know, at the same time, you know.
Speaker 10: But it was the hunt. It was the hunt. It
Speaker 10: was like Game of Thrones or some ship.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're saying this because even though my career
Speaker 1: came in the tail end of it, many a record
Speaker 1: dealer had the fear of their eyes when like, because
Speaker 1: I would just straight up ask them, because they like,
Speaker 1: record dealers will do this thing where it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: they know what kind of money is walking in, right,
Speaker 1: so they'll look at me.
Speaker 3: They'll look at me and like, okay, a mirror's good
Speaker 3: for ten thousand.
Speaker 1: So they have a system where it's like they'll give
Speaker 1: you all right, that's ten, that's twenty, that's ten, that's twenty,
Speaker 1: that's ten, that's twenty.
Speaker 3: No, that's right.
Speaker 1: But then they know you're itching and I'm like, so
Speaker 1: that's it, and they'll be like, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: got a shipment that just came in last night. And
Speaker 1: all the warehouse is up the block, right, Oh, take
Speaker 1: you over the block. Yeah, there's all that kind of
Speaker 1: I got some dresses over here. Yeah no, but that's
Speaker 1: what it's like.
Speaker 3: And then there's just a points.
Speaker 1: Well I would tell them to just cut to the chase,
Speaker 1: like and that's the thing as a record collector, you
Speaker 1: never tell them like, look only got a thousand, Just
Speaker 1: cut to the chase and give me the good ship,
Speaker 1: because no, they'll just do the same shit the tens,
Speaker 1: the twenties, the tens, the twenties, the tens, the twenties.
Speaker 3: Were you out there?
Speaker 1: And then they'll be like they they will usually say
Speaker 1: like Pete Rock was always the thing, like well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we were holding some of the stuff for Pete Rock.
Speaker 3: You know, I'll give you an extra ten for it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But then you're like you get desperate and not realizing
Speaker 3: this wouldn't be true. No, no, no, no, I realized
Speaker 3: then I realized that was the hustle.
Speaker 1: And then finally I found a guy where he's just like,
Speaker 1: look this is worth one hundred, this is worth one fifty,
Speaker 1: this is you know, and those type of things. So
Speaker 1: of course those prices would be jacked up because they
Speaker 1: would use it like stuff already, so like like a
Speaker 1: prime example the Manty Alexander and having his all right,
Speaker 1: so before you use that for gangster bitch, know that
Speaker 1: the album was worth like ten bucks now. But because
Speaker 1: gangster like he q Tip single handedly brought up the
Speaker 1: stocks on all we're not just the stuff he was, I'm.
Speaker 10: Feel bad a little bit because it just happened like
Speaker 10: okay boom, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my generation is now paying the extra on the
Speaker 3: New Tribe album.
Speaker 10: I used this this for whatever would be the Nairob Yeah,
Speaker 10: like that ship is got rocketed already.
Speaker 13: But give me an example of like from once it
Speaker 13: came to whence it got once?
Speaker 18: Tip touched it no all the time, like oh Jesus Christ,
Speaker 18: I've read ram Ramp is a five dollars record.
Speaker 1: I don't even think there's an original Ramp record. Like
Speaker 1: every Ramp album I've seen is. I just felt like
Speaker 1: they Yeah, they finally just printed it in the name
Speaker 1: of the interest of finding the need an apple bum sample.
Speaker 3: So how much is that now? Ran three hundred?
Speaker 1: Well you for an original press I've never seen an
Speaker 1: original pressing of Rent, but uh, Eugene McDaniels, I've never
Speaker 1: seen I've never seen the Headless Heroes under two hundred
Speaker 1: bucks original. I playing that, I played that ship. The
Speaker 1: first argument Stacey and I ever had over music, first
Speaker 1: tasty treat Stacey and I ever had over music was
Speaker 1: over that record.
Speaker 3: She by the time we got to that song, she
Speaker 3: was like.
Speaker 11: A little this is the last song on eug McDaniel's
Speaker 11: debut album. Helial play everything. I've plaid everything, No, no, no,
Speaker 11: the SAMs for this, for the tip Us, it.
Speaker 3: Was jagget dagger. It was jagged a dagger. You know,
Speaker 3: we was having a ball. That's good on the MYCT.
Speaker 1: Weird enough, Jack of the Dagger was such a dig
Speaker 1: at Mick Jagger, like stealing black music.
Speaker 10: What the loop was so dope.
Speaker 3: One of the one of the last dates that we
Speaker 3: did on when Lauren released that, did you play that
Speaker 3: as he walked out?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, man, you know what he can't Yes,
Speaker 1: he was scheduled, he was scheduled to be on the show.
Speaker 3: We prepared that song.
Speaker 1: And then he okay, okay, he didn't do it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: when he comes down, dude's jagging the dagger Like what
Speaker 1: they gonna do the research on it?
Speaker 3: Anyway? Last the last date, the last date of this
Speaker 3: Lauren Hill tour when she did that unplugged record Smoking
Speaker 3: Groups tour. I remember that right.
Speaker 1: So it was Thanksgiving night in Seattle and I played
Speaker 1: the Parasite and blasted it because I DJ before she
Speaker 1: came on dog the look on the art, it was
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 3: I might have to play you. Yes, I gotta. Can
Speaker 3: I play the whole song? Please? The whole song is
Speaker 3: like that, no minutes. We can't not right now.
Speaker 10: I mean if you can put a little bit, just
Speaker 10: skim through, skim through certain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a good close. We'll close the
Speaker 3: show with it. Okay, stop, we will close the show
Speaker 3: with That's fair.
Speaker 10: Can we talk over it the show like Mystery Science Theater.
Speaker 3: That is kind of what we do. Great, awesome, that's
Speaker 3: all we do, all right? So what making this?
Speaker 1: Making the record the debut? Yeah, people's I call it
Speaker 1: Peter Peter p tour Peter Peter to make him that record?
Speaker 1: What is because this is a group of super producers.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a group of multiple c's, but it's
Speaker 1: also a group of super producers.
Speaker 3: How what is the.
Speaker 1: What is the agreed upon method of making joints, like,
Speaker 1: is it just yo, I got this loop?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got this loop. I like that loop. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's work on that. Or is it you know, do
Speaker 3: you just come in with the finished product like I
Speaker 3: like this? Does alast say? Yo? What do you think
Speaker 3: about this? Yeah? That joints nice? I'll do that.
Speaker 10: It's kind of both.
Speaker 3: Okay in the beginning, what's it like? What's it like
Speaker 3: on the first album?
Speaker 10: Like in the beginning, Uh, A lot of it was
Speaker 10: demos that I'd done over the prior, I'd say five
Speaker 10: years maybe.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm calling. I'm calling an audible storytime with Q Tip.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm just gonna play ten seconds of random
Speaker 1: tribe joints and you tell me, like, what comes to
Speaker 1: mind when you made this?
Speaker 3: Well, if you remember any details, read.
Speaker 10: It, read it, turn the page, see what it says.
Speaker 3: Read it to you?
Speaker 10: Will you please? I mean running away roy is you
Speaker 10: know it's one of my favorite.
Speaker 1: This shake catches a lot of slack, like I I'll read,
Speaker 1: I'll read you know, like uh uh lists like Ego
Speaker 1: trip list or whatever, where of course this didn't description
Speaker 1: didn't of course, so it catches flack as in weird
Speaker 1: debut songs by groups that will later God. But there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with this loop. This is not my go
Speaker 1: to song to spend. But I was never mad at
Speaker 1: this loop or.
Speaker 3: The place of the ending. It felt like a good
Speaker 3: ending for the album.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I used to run that joint and.
Speaker 1: That was actually the B side was even funnier. Pubic
Speaker 1: B side the joint talking smack comics.
Speaker 10: It was funny.
Speaker 3: It was like, it's very skipped to my loop.
Speaker 10: No, no, no, you know what it was to I
Speaker 10: had two years earlier. There was a store on Bleika,
Speaker 10: the street where you get all the fucking prints unreleased joints.
Speaker 3: Well, not Bob's, but it was another joint. It was Generations.
Speaker 10: I think it was not on, but it's off. You
Speaker 10: know where all the chest stores. I think it was
Speaker 10: a cross the street and down the block from my Moods.
Speaker 10: I think there's a story where Prince actually walked in
Speaker 10: to that store and walked out with all this ship. Yeah,
Speaker 10: that had yo, It's ill because I was in there.
Speaker 10: I would always hit there after school because Karena and
Speaker 10: I would always be in the village and shit and
Speaker 10: I would always go get I was just a huge
Speaker 10: Prince fan. So I had heard movie Star, heard Bob
Speaker 10: George Super Califori at the front, whatever the fuck you know,
Speaker 10: all of that shit. Like I was just like stuck.
Speaker 10: I remember playing movie Star for Africa. He and We're
Speaker 10: in like eleventh grade and we're like mocking the shit
Speaker 10: and listening to all this unreleased Prince shit, and this
Speaker 10: was like kind.
Speaker 3: Of like one of the Yeah, what who's the you know,
Speaker 3: it's about George?
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying. I like doing all that
Speaker 10: silly shit. Underneath it is the BT Express beat, you
Speaker 10: know what I mean. I mean it's it's clearly tuned out.
Speaker 10: But it was also still inn overage of disco kind
Speaker 10: of house parties that were still going on. You know,
Speaker 10: you still have Frankie Knuckles Ip, still had Larry Levan
Speaker 10: doing parties back then, even though their houses had closed,
Speaker 10: and maybe Frankie was doing back and forth from Chicago
Speaker 10: to New York. So Body, Body and Soul was being established,
Speaker 10: re established, but it was still a disco thing that
Speaker 10: was happening.
Speaker 3: Have you ever got to see Larry spin or his systems? Yeah,
Speaker 3: well I saw him at Limelight. Okay, did he control
Speaker 3: the system there?
Speaker 10: I don't think so. This is towards because.
Speaker 3: When you DJ, you hea the world's loudest bass cabinets ever.
Speaker 3: And I know that. He always me you you're always
Speaker 3: aiming for a paradise.
Speaker 19: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to go for that man.
Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, I'm But the first real big system I
Speaker 10: think I heard was in the World as we discussed
Speaker 10: a A Twice's favorite song.
Speaker 3: Wow, my favorite song.
Speaker 10: I haven't heard this ship ever because I got mine,
Speaker 10: especially slide the family stone.
Speaker 3: Advice take my advice.
Speaker 1: That was Scott Page from the ninety one album classic
Speaker 1: The Low in Theory.
Speaker 10: When I made this beat, I was like, Yo, this
Speaker 10: is like one of the most perfect beats I ever made,
Speaker 10: just because you hear the brushes, You hear the brushes
Speaker 10: on the drums playing like playing right in between that
Speaker 10: fucking monstrous ass snig kick, that fucking gregorco Is rocking,
Speaker 10: and the just the and then when the flu the
Speaker 10: with the fucking phone and ship. I was just like, damn,
Speaker 10: I wanted I wanted to make this ship longer, but
Speaker 10: I was like, you'll fight, we should keep this ship short.
Speaker 3: Like this.
Speaker 10: It's like he was like Burt, he said this even
Speaker 10: though I would love to we got all the joints.
Speaker 10: We need to make this short, like because this one,
Speaker 10: I just I just love this record. I think this
Speaker 10: is my favorite. I think I've said before the butter
Speaker 10: was my favorite on the album, but it's really this.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard this in a while. Wow.
Speaker 1: See this is where we haven't common because I don't know,
Speaker 1: like maybe it was the Beast being the B side
Speaker 1: of Check the Rhyme or whatever, but this just hit
Speaker 1: me at the right moment, Like we brought the Check
Speaker 1: the Rhyme single. It's like a Friday night Tower Records,
Speaker 1: and when like we already knew Checked the Rhyme. So
Speaker 1: when we heard the B side for sky pager In
Speaker 1: on a loud ass car system on a Friday night,
Speaker 1: like we sat it. We sat there and listening to
Speaker 1: like twenty times in a row, Like I was so mad.
Speaker 1: There was no instrumental over this shit. But this is
Speaker 1: like one of the songs that like me and Tarique
Speaker 1: it bonded over like but it may be hard.
Speaker 10: To to Maybe you understand it, amir, but don't. Sometimes
Speaker 10: it's like you take yourself out of it as the
Speaker 10: actual artist and then you as the DJ Resister, Listen,
Speaker 10: you know what I'm saying, and you just hear it
Speaker 10: and for a minute you be like, oh shit, you
Speaker 10: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 11: I'm sure, but you have to have time. I think
Speaker 11: like you have to have distance away from it. You
Speaker 11: know what I'm saying, Yes, because like why you're working
Speaker 11: on it while I'm working on stuff like I can't write,
Speaker 11: Oh my god, but.
Speaker 1: I'm certain that you make records that younger you would
Speaker 1: want to buy as a consumer or.
Speaker 3: Correct? Do you not make rhymes that.
Speaker 10: You wish.
Speaker 3: You're you're you're?
Speaker 1: It would like like right now, you mean like like
Speaker 1: just in general, I thought that was the whole goal
Speaker 1: of a musician to make the stuff you want to hear,
Speaker 1: make the stuff that you would buy as a music
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, making the stuff that
Speaker 1: you want to hear, and pretty much, well, at least
Speaker 1: for me, just making the stuff that, you know, the
Speaker 1: stuff that I felt was missing, like a record that man,
Speaker 1: I wish I could buy this record.
Speaker 3: I make the record that I want to buy and uh,
Speaker 3: but but.
Speaker 11: I think it only gets to that point for me,
Speaker 11: like kind of going back what Tip was saying, why
Speaker 11: you're working on it.
Speaker 10: I don't listen to none of it. Yeah, it's like like,
Speaker 10: I don't, I haven't listened to this, Like when I
Speaker 10: put it out, I don't listen to it. And the
Speaker 10: only the only time I'll go through it is if
Speaker 10: I'm DJing, I'll listen to the ship because I really
Speaker 10: try to stay away from playing my own ship. But
Speaker 10: when you're reading a crowd or if you know, sometimes
Speaker 10: you may hit a little bit of it and then
Speaker 10: and then you see it work. You see your work
Speaker 10: in the context of other people in the club, just
Speaker 10: to bring it back to the DJ anything, and it
Speaker 10: makes you go, oh, what was the last record that
Speaker 10: you played yours in the club? And you was like,
Speaker 10: oh what you feeling?
Speaker 1: What? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Wow, see, now that's weird.
Speaker 1: I have a roule against playing our shit because every
Speaker 1: time I play the root.
Speaker 3: Ship is the fastest for.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3: But no, but I'm saying they got this already.
Speaker 1: It's already established that you're the establishment of that level.
Speaker 1: Like you know, there's at least five tribe songs that
Speaker 1: are the mount rushmore go to songs of a party starter.
Speaker 1: So even when you were DJing, like is it embarrassing
Speaker 1: to play what's the captain obvious one like scenario.
Speaker 10: I don't play none of it obviously.
Speaker 3: So even when you were DJing in let's say nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Three and you put scenario on knowing the motherfucker's gonna
Speaker 1: go out, they mind like, is this still like a
Speaker 1: weird thing?
Speaker 10: Like yeah, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't do that.
Speaker 10: I can't do that. I'll play Oh.
Speaker 3: You'll play some obscure sit.
Speaker 10: I'll play something more if, like especially if it's like
Speaker 10: a I have a groove rowing or whatever. Like let's say, okay,
Speaker 10: so what is somewhere like one hundred and five bp
Speaker 10: M or some ship.
Speaker 3: I know what you're going to say, what no, I
Speaker 3: was doing do it? Do it?
Speaker 1: I was going to say you you would probably play
Speaker 1: no footprints. I feel like you would play footprints a
Speaker 1: not club song. But okay, you taught me this term
Speaker 1: part of my French niggag drum.
Speaker 10: Drums, nigga drums dr.
Speaker 3: Drums. No, he's just it's just he taught me that term.
Speaker 3: He's just like it's like that's the secret.
Speaker 1: Like the music smooth, but the beat is so cracking
Speaker 1: and hard and just hard like it's it's it's like
Speaker 1: Freddy Fox.
Speaker 3: Punching you in the news. It's this ship over on
Speaker 3: top while like in my head, why was Freddy Fox? Yeah?
Speaker 3: The hip hop yeah, like damn it, like.
Speaker 1: We're getting a pound from busting rhymes, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's yeah, no, when Busted picks you up, it's you
Speaker 1: gotta hide your hands like him, him and the Angelo,
Speaker 1: Him and Angelo the harip like he pulls your finger
Speaker 1: like our things.
Speaker 10: But he did is relentless deal do it all night
Speaker 10: for two hours.
Speaker 1: Every since Primo said the same thing, he has like
Speaker 1: he adapted every two minutes. D M buster the reason
Speaker 1: why I get pounds down. They will pull your joints
Speaker 1: out of sockets, giving you a pounds so hard touch
Speaker 1: your manlihood.
Speaker 3: It's just now it's just pounds, man. It does.
Speaker 1: Jesus, I feel like each album is like nine hours
Speaker 1: worthy of right, Right, So we got any any any
Speaker 1: people's instinctive questions I missed?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm trying to think.
Speaker 11: I just remember this funny plate description of a fool
Speaker 11: because that was the first time I can recall my
Speaker 11: older cousin of mine pointing out to me that it
Speaker 11: was a sample because I didn't know. I didn't know
Speaker 11: the roy As record, and I remember him playing, you know,
Speaker 11: the typical old school y'all, all the y'all y'all stealing.
Speaker 3: That's still like.
Speaker 10: About this whole sample ship. I mean, and you guys
Speaker 10: know this. I mean there's fucking twelve notes, you know, right,
Speaker 10: And it's like you have different varying degrees of voicings
Speaker 10: and ship that you could use. So everybody has sampled
Speaker 10: Private Joy by Prince. Okay, did you play that real quick?
Speaker 10: Just a little bit.
Speaker 1: We're not allowed to, Okay, I'm sorry, sorry, all right?
Speaker 3: Do you have uh.
Speaker 10: Frankie Valley who loves You pretty baby?
Speaker 3: Okay? You ain't got no Frankie Valley and nice reference.
Speaker 10: But my point is is that it's the same voicings,
Speaker 10: just different keys, you know what I mean, Like if
Speaker 10: you listen to them back to back, it's the same ship.
Speaker 10: Like it's like people, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I'm playing it. It's Frankie Valley. Yes, it's uh,
Speaker 3: who loves You by Frankie Valley in the four.
Speaker 10: Seasons, just the highlights and illustrate mine, it's Private Joy.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's private joy.
Speaker 3: That is private joy, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 3: never realized that till now.
Speaker 10: It's like that that ship goes on. Some people can
Speaker 10: rearrange and revoice certain chords and you know, you know,
Speaker 10: reapproach the melodies and stuff like that, but sampling is
Speaker 10: something that has been done for how many how many
Speaker 10: times you've heard the chord changes from Cherokee in regular Ship?
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying, Like it's.
Speaker 3: Stupid, it is.
Speaker 11: Yeah, when y'all were in terms of you were talking
Speaker 11: about Juju, it's funny that you mention that because I
Speaker 11: always it makes total sense now hearing it that you
Speaker 11: and Juju ran together, because I always thought, like to
Speaker 11: use a stranger things reference. I always thought that the
Speaker 11: Beating Uts first album was like the upside down version
Speaker 11: of Midnight Marauders, Like that was a real Black Sea album.
Speaker 3: Oh man, it was.
Speaker 19: That is so they there you go, Joe, You're right,
Speaker 19: because I love I love days they and.
Speaker 10: They don't get their props. Their sucking albums always fucking.
Speaker 3: Razy. There's no album that doesn't have like when.
Speaker 10: I first heard that fucking that Diamond Bird ship.
Speaker 15: That do.
Speaker 3: Do Do Do Do do do do just worked on like,
Speaker 3: how does that work with with ideas or whatever? Like
Speaker 3: have they ever worked on?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 3: We never like did that.
Speaker 10: The only thing we did was we started this group
Speaker 10: called the Fabulous Fleas.
Speaker 3: How far? How far did that go? Why didn't it materialize?
Speaker 10: I don't know. We had two records?
Speaker 3: Wait what wow? Exist actually made.
Speaker 1: Shout Out to Pass and I'm still waiting for my
Speaker 1: fabulous Fleas has a lot of ship, yes he does.
Speaker 3: He has a lot his wedding for free to get
Speaker 3: some fleas.
Speaker 13: Yo.
Speaker 10: He has a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: He does.
Speaker 10: He is, he's going to low He's like, so yeah,
Speaker 10: that was the That was you know, Juju Man and
Speaker 10: Light and Less Sorry. And I remember when Fashion was
Speaker 10: with them for the first couple of joints, right, Fashion
Speaker 10: joined in the second because it was Fashion on the
Speaker 10: first one.
Speaker 11: He was on the first was the first, and then
Speaker 11: he left after no no, No, He was on the
Speaker 11: EP and then he was on the album and then
Speaker 11: he left when they did Street Level.
Speaker 3: That's because he did the God Connections. That's right.
Speaker 11: That's a couple of joints to Fashion is dope. And
Speaker 11: you talk about sampling. One thing I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 11: like from Marauders to Beats Rhymes in Life? How did
Speaker 11: the sampling laws like did it? Was it harder to
Speaker 11: sample at that time because Beat Rhymes Life had a
Speaker 11: lot more live stuff on it.
Speaker 1: Especially didn't pay attention because this record, like I was
Speaker 1: bomb squad terry like so much.
Speaker 3: I was like, how do they clear they clear all
Speaker 3: this ship? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The laughing speaking of which, Uh, sir, come on, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: it is time for Uh, it's time for a moment.
Speaker 1: That's why I gave you a pen and paper. Uh,
Speaker 1: We're going through round one of so all right to
Speaker 1: be fair because I wasn't fair to Pete Rock when
Speaker 1: he did it.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna test your gangster. I'm gonna test a gangster
Speaker 1: on samples like.
Speaker 10: Gangster and gyle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna play you.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna lose this horrible No, you're not You're not.
Speaker 1: And because I'm gonna give it to you twice, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Play you a slew of samples and you name them ship.
Speaker 3: You ready, you can do better than me. Here we go.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do this for you twice. Here's the first round.
Speaker 3: Name these two. You might want to have a pin
Speaker 3: because they're gonna come quick.
Speaker 10: Oh ship like that? You ready, yes, sir?
Speaker 3: Part one? Here we go. Oh man, Okay, Tip is singing,
Speaker 3: he's not writing. There you go my favorite song.
Speaker 10: I'm not gonna I'm never gonna win.
Speaker 3: All right, you gotta get closer to close to the mic.
Speaker 10: I'm not gonna win. I got this too much.
Speaker 3: It's too quick. Yeah, because I was like, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna do this.
Speaker 10: This is too crazy.
Speaker 3: It was like, this is this is this is a Stapley,
Speaker 3: this is a staple.
Speaker 10: Already, I'm ready.
Speaker 3: I'll give it to you one more time, and I
Speaker 3: write this this rite the art? Everybody, just right right?
Speaker 3: The artist? You don't song? I know he concocted this
Speaker 3: ship to come on now. It's fun, but you guess
Speaker 3: it is fun?
Speaker 10: All right, come on, all right you genus?
Speaker 3: Ready, all right, just named the artist. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I know that, I don't know.
Speaker 10: You know this don't know, I don't know. It's not
Speaker 10: enough for me. Eddie Kendricks.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're saying the song next?
Speaker 10: Is that Marbret Holmes no up titled uh.
Speaker 3: You know the song? Yeah?
Speaker 10: Bang guy that's a ship. Oh fuck is that for all?
Speaker 10: That's Hamilton bohand that's Brenda Russell.
Speaker 1: Okay, got a little bit. Okay, we missed Tyrone Davis
Speaker 1: and the brick Fun brick Fun, Yes, and uh our
Speaker 1: farmer soul sides.
Speaker 3: He does use that for the pussy. That was right exactly. Well,
Speaker 3: that's when he mentioned that. I was like the night Lighters.
Speaker 3: There you go and Detroit Emeralds.
Speaker 10: Detroit Emeralds.
Speaker 3: All right, so you you sort of guessed it.
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, it's Carl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, give me another one.
Speaker 10: Do you have another?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Give me pete, give me pete.
Speaker 1: No, I got advanced rounds you. We'll get you a
Speaker 1: little bit later. You got advanced rounds.
Speaker 15: Give you a breather.
Speaker 1: So did you Were you satisfied? Were you satisfied with?
Speaker 1: How did you feel? The general reception was for the
Speaker 1: debut record going into the second record, like.
Speaker 10: You feel like I had a little bit of a
Speaker 10: chip on my shoulder coming from the like who chuck
Speaker 10: Eddie rolling Stone?
Speaker 3: The three star review?
Speaker 10: I never yeah, fuck you the fucker. And then that's
Speaker 10: what I slowly but surely got on my diet, of
Speaker 10: which I'm now practicing of trying to, you know, look
Speaker 10: at any kind of articles, of any kind of reviews,
Speaker 10: anything at all of good bad. I don't want to
Speaker 10: hear nothing because you know.
Speaker 1: You and I took it personally, that's weird. It's not
Speaker 1: even my record. And I to this day, Chuck is
Speaker 1: on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thing. He
Speaker 1: him and Alan Light profusely apologize.
Speaker 3: To you for it. I never I'm literally all right,
Speaker 3: I'm on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame board.
Speaker 1: So basically the Rolling Stone editors of the eighties and
Speaker 1: the nineties are in the same room.
Speaker 3: Trust me.
Speaker 1: They realized that them reviewing hip hop ten years ago
Speaker 1: was the equivalent of a vegetarians review and chicken contest.
Speaker 10: Exactly what they need to make a statement, because that's
Speaker 10: in a room.
Speaker 1: No, even with Alan without Allan Light has regrets over
Speaker 1: America's most wanted Chuck Eddie has regrets over People's Sea.
Speaker 1: He said it was the least danceable hip hop.
Speaker 3: Dude. When I read it, I was just because I
Speaker 3: got the Source review.
Speaker 1: Tribes debut record was the first album to get a
Speaker 1: five mic review in The Source in the summer of
Speaker 1: ninety and they because I had it already. They were
Speaker 1: saying everything I felt. I was like, wow, this is
Speaker 1: like real critics actually are reviewing. That's when I realized like, oh,
Speaker 1: the source might be onto something, being like our Bible.
Speaker 1: But then, because I was collecting all those Rolling Stone
Speaker 1: reviews on the back of.
Speaker 3: The who's the main review?
Speaker 1: It was someone else that I think was it Neil Young,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was Freedom, whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Tribes was the thing on the back, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, how can critics be so out of touch?
Speaker 1: And then I realized, oh, there's a double standard between
Speaker 1: hip hop experts and rock experts.
Speaker 3: Like Solange and Brandy.
Speaker 10: Yeah, what happened with them? Unclear?
Speaker 3: Well, now Solange gave just due to Brandy's work and
Speaker 3: kind of the.
Speaker 1: Pitchforkian or John of John Cara, Yeah, John care I
Speaker 1: can never get his I don't even know if I
Speaker 1: said it right.
Speaker 3: I think I think, yeah, you got right, John Caramonica.
Speaker 3: You know there's kind of there's kind of like a snarky.
Speaker 10: They said stop kaping for Brandy or something, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like basically right, yeah, like a snarky like what do
Speaker 1: you know about like real musical and Brandy's high art.
Speaker 3: To you that sort of thing, and she.
Speaker 1: Your record ship exactly so, but she did the slime
Speaker 1: sting got in the ass and yeah, you know, yeah exactly.
Speaker 10: So it's I remember when she was talking to me
Speaker 10: about doing the record she was mad about She was
Speaker 10: so mad that it was a little bit intelligible. So
Speaker 10: so it was I just like I was like looking
Speaker 10: at her.
Speaker 14: Too, like.
Speaker 1: On the ground, right, So she proposed to the idea
Speaker 1: of what the album was going to be before you
Speaker 1: got started working. Yeah, yeah, when she she came, that's
Speaker 1: the first thing, like she's like, come out of the
Speaker 1: studio whatever I want you hear some ideas, see what's up.
Speaker 1: And then like she gave me the pitch and Sampa
Speaker 1: is there too, and I'm looking at Sanfa like who
Speaker 1: met me? No, No, it's just like she was just
Speaker 1: like I wanted I'm making a manifesto and I'm tired
Speaker 1: of the ship.
Speaker 3: You with me or not?
Speaker 1: And I two three and falling, Like, dude, that's exactly
Speaker 1: like is that okay, you're joking, that's exactly what they
Speaker 1: playing record. Yeah, she knew what she wanted and was
Speaker 1: like she was not gripping me by like full force
Speaker 1: and crust groove to get the results.
Speaker 3: So I love the records you did on her too.
Speaker 3: That was my favoritejots.
Speaker 10: Her and I have about about ten records together. Yeah,
Speaker 10: and pub we were working on this ship and then
Speaker 10: she went to Raphael and and at one point she
Speaker 10: came back to me.
Speaker 3: She came back to me.
Speaker 10: But I've been working with Cilantro. I've always encouraged her
Speaker 10: to like go, like she's like a ded ded dear
Speaker 10: dear like that, like we come come to the crib
Speaker 10: cook type ship, like that's my sister right there. And
Speaker 10: I'm just really happy for her. So how good is
Speaker 10: that album? Maybe so fucking good, man, so good? And
Speaker 10: I'm so happy for her, you know, because it's like
Speaker 10: like just not to digress, but you know, obviously her
Speaker 10: sister is you know what I mean, And it must
Speaker 10: be you know, you know, nepotism aside. It must be
Speaker 10: hard to be. But she's so fucking hit and nailed
Speaker 10: her own voice here and stuck her foot in it,
Speaker 10: and it's just I'm just I'm just really happy for her.
Speaker 15: Man.
Speaker 3: I'm still clad for Salona. So happy. Well, that's why
Speaker 3: I wanted y'all clap with me, So it didn't sound like.
Speaker 5: Like that.
Speaker 1: So for you, it was like the chip on your
Speaker 1: shoulder was wait till they get a load of me.
Speaker 1: I always I see. I didn't know if you read
Speaker 1: your your like if you read reviews or not.
Speaker 10: And so when you had another little chip after this
Speaker 10: one too though, but I can't say what it is yet.
Speaker 3: But for low in theory, this new album, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know who.
Speaker 10: Refuted Well, it's not you know, it's I just.
Speaker 3: All right, what's the name of the periodical? Does it
Speaker 3: start with the pet mad? Is the rating good? You
Speaker 3: can do? Damn? Anyway? Because about three seconds this.
Speaker 11: Murder was it?
Speaker 3: Was it a mad? Was it a publication? Was it?
Speaker 3: Is it a peer? Was it like someone? It was
Speaker 3: like peer review kind of good questions?
Speaker 10: We're all good man, I'm just gonna fuel it into
Speaker 10: the music.
Speaker 3: There you bet?
Speaker 13: Monkey, stop your show?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 13: Was that an aunt moment?
Speaker 11: That was such an an you got to bring some
Speaker 11: chicken in here for us? So was there a meeting
Speaker 11: or a manifesto of like what should we do this record?
Speaker 3: Or was just just like yeah, yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 10: It was more like, come on, fife, you know what
Speaker 10: I'm saying. And I was just like, yo, let's go.
Speaker 1: So was it that he didn't feel No, it was
Speaker 1: just even with the last record, like should he have?
Speaker 1: Was he late to a few sessions that like what
Speaker 1: song should a fight been on on on the first
Speaker 1: album that he wasn't on?
Speaker 3: There was just like all right, well you're not there, so.
Speaker 10: Probably go ahead and the ring rhythm?
Speaker 3: Uh, he should have been on going the.
Speaker 10: Ring Yeah rhythm, Uh, push it along.
Speaker 17: On that what it's time to decipher the situations. Situation
Speaker 17: you made me think I was crazy right now.
Speaker 10: I mean, I mean footprints he should have been okay,
Speaker 10: I mean it was a couple. But when we got
Speaker 10: we were gonna make low end theory, we was just
Speaker 10: like we need more of you with that, and were
Speaker 10: just like, Yo, now it's time to two. You know,
Speaker 10: we put all the colors on the canvas with the
Speaker 10: first album. Now it's time to go cubism, you know,
Speaker 10: like sharp, you know, distinct, exact like show now we
Speaker 10: got to show our lines, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: So it was more it was more about that, and
Speaker 10: luckily the timing was just I mean, it wasn't our time,
Speaker 10: and it was just like the environment was kind of
Speaker 10: heading towards that.
Speaker 3: We'll also so you guys, like you broke it down
Speaker 3: more simple for.
Speaker 1: The people, Whereas like my idea of a tribe called
Speaker 1: Quest was definitely like whatever. The back cover of the
Speaker 1: Benita apple bum twelve inch was like, my version of
Speaker 1: tribe is the abstract kind of artsy looking kids whatever.
Speaker 1: Whereas now the same group, it's now on the Tarik
Speaker 1: side of the fence and just rocking.
Speaker 3: Because the first thing I noticed I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're rocking Champion right right. We started that.
Speaker 10: We kind of was doing that purposefully.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 10: The time we got to the Cannot Kick A video,
Speaker 10: we was like, okay, now we gotta start. We got
Speaker 10: to start phasing it in fashion and fashion in it
Speaker 10: too as a precursor.
Speaker 3: You wanted to look like the people.
Speaker 10: Well yeah, well we came out like the first album
Speaker 10: was like about the first album was more about the
Speaker 10: the spirit and more about just philosophically kind of the thing.
Speaker 10: You know, the vastness, the all inclusiveness nature of the record,
Speaker 10: you know, the idealism, the youthfulness, the naivete, like it
Speaker 10: was important, you know much like if you look through
Speaker 10: phases of childhood, you know, it's important to keep a
Speaker 10: kid's imagination and intact and incited, and you know you
Speaker 10: definitely want to step in with certain lessons there, but
Speaker 10: you want to be more encouraging. So the spirit was
Speaker 10: more of a child spirit, whereas the Loewen theory was
Speaker 10: a little bit more of a coming of age, like
Speaker 10: I said, very specific, minimal like bare bones, like stripped
Speaker 10: down like that was like all purposeful, like discuss designed
Speaker 10: by the time we got to the Kannakika video, you know,
Speaker 10: mixing a little bit of kinta cloth with polo right like,
Speaker 10: and then full on by the time the album.
Speaker 1: For me, one of the most important musicians on the
Speaker 1: low end theory rock Carder No by Power. Oh well, yeah,
Speaker 1: so how did tell the story of how Bob came
Speaker 1: into uh to be?
Speaker 10: We were working in the studio Gilliope and Shane Farber
Speaker 10: was like the head engineer, right. There was another cat
Speaker 10: there too. They were all kind of like you know,
Speaker 10: rocker dudes, like real rock and roll whatever, and it
Speaker 10: was a beautiful studio and Shane was doing the Jungle Brothers,
Speaker 10: he was doing Bizz he was he was doing a
Speaker 10: lot right. So we started to work on our ship
Speaker 10: and this was the first album and I remember Africa
Speaker 10: and had to have a sub one day, like Shane
Speaker 10: couldn't do the session. So there was a guy in
Speaker 10: the back who would do jingles. He had like the
Speaker 10: perfect jingle voice.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 10: And well before we get there, when you go into
Speaker 10: the lobby or into the front desk room of Calliope,
Speaker 10: they'd have all of their records that they that were
Speaker 10: done at the studio up on the wall, twelve inches
Speaker 10: and shit, one of them being Stetso Sonic Ghost Tetza.
Speaker 10: That was one of the Latin quart of staples. You
Speaker 10: know when that ship We'll come home with those fucking
Speaker 10: drums rumbling, It was a fucking problem. If you had
Speaker 10: anything on nice, you would want to hold on to it.
Speaker 10: All of that ships, the heart of the drum play, a.
Speaker 3: Little bit of the police. Are you trying to sinuate
Speaker 3: that the heart of the song? The more like.
Speaker 10: Yes, it was back then it was exciting for this, Yes,
Speaker 10: it was exciting. Really, it was like yes, because the
Speaker 10: d you know that that how do you say that?
Speaker 10: How does how do you say the jiff with the
Speaker 10: battle kid and he's standing with his glasses.
Speaker 3: It was like, yes, It's like, Yo, where do you go? Man?
Speaker 3: How do you find that jiff? Because I look for
Speaker 3: that jiff and can't. I don't know what you call it.
Speaker 10: I don't know battle rap really battle rap.
Speaker 3: So you heard ghost.
Speaker 1: Sets of by stets of Sonic in the Latin corner.
Speaker 1: So this was like your smells like spirit. This was
Speaker 1: your smells like teen spirit at the Latin Quarter.
Speaker 10: That record was so crazy that it inspired them to
Speaker 10: make this other cup came out the Mighty Mic Masters.
Speaker 10: You ever hear that no.
Speaker 3: Get you? Word feels like an answer record, the best
Speaker 3: that's kind.
Speaker 10: And that ship is banging to Freddy Freddy being Mighty
Speaker 10: Mic Masters.
Speaker 3: The Mighty Mic Masters. What's the name of the song?
Speaker 10: I think it's called word, It's just word. I'm the
Speaker 10: real McCoy, I'm the real play boy.
Speaker 3: Ladies man a door. Remember that it was on Tough City.
Speaker 10: Yeah, turn it up, turn refuge alert, Arnie.
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's day Swing. It's like hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 3: this isn't a compression. Wow, this is what year? What
Speaker 3: year is this? What years?
Speaker 1: The pumpkin was on drums Pumpkin's a mother Pumpkin was
Speaker 1: the house rummer of Enjoy Records.
Speaker 3: Ladies, gentlemen, what what uh what Keith LeBlanc and Doug
Speaker 3: wyn Bush World sugar Hill Records. Nah, huh, Pumpkin.
Speaker 1: I always wanted to know where these drums came from
Speaker 1: on Swing a Lot King because I thought this was
Speaker 1: a prince like this is like a prince Ball beat
Speaker 1: to me, like every prince Ball beat my mind is this,
Speaker 1: And I thought he programmed it.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that what studio was that done in?
Speaker 17: Uh?
Speaker 3: The information is not here.
Speaker 10: Wow, I wonder if that was done.
Speaker 3: Freddy be the Mighty on Aaron Fuchs Tough City. It
Speaker 3: was nineteen eighty six eight.
Speaker 10: It was crazy so Bob so I looked. I looked.
Speaker 10: I was like, wow, Stetsa because I remember always looking
Speaker 10: at the credits and it said recorded and mixed by
Speaker 10: Bob Power Jump cut two. You know the sub is
Speaker 10: in there and it's the engineer for Africa and for
Speaker 10: a session on Dumb by the Forces, I think, and
Speaker 10: you know the song I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, it has to be doing
Speaker 1: our own thing. No jb'sh JB's coming through hard.
Speaker 10: It could be because that's one of the artist, it's
Speaker 10: one of the In terms of arrangements for hip hop songs,
Speaker 10: it's either the first or the second for me, Like
Speaker 10: like JB's coming Through. You listen to the fucking arrangement
Speaker 10: on that record and what's going on that ship is
Speaker 10: like a Queen record.
Speaker 3: Yes, insane is criminal.
Speaker 1: It's criminal. That was not even considered the first single off.
Speaker 1: I feel like, if that can't burrow my god this world,
Speaker 1: ye oh my god. They was, and the video of
Speaker 1: that ship could have made a difference. It could have
Speaker 1: made a difference. I swore it was going to be
Speaker 1: like I mean that.
Speaker 10: Ship is to this day, it's like because that was
Speaker 10: never an official single, was it? No?
Speaker 1: And then it was it was because the B side
Speaker 1: is what FOREL based nothing on for Norri the George
Speaker 1: Michael father figure.
Speaker 15: That was.
Speaker 10: You know, but that freaking so anyway, So this guy
Speaker 10: is like this engineer guys like recording vocals on Africa
Speaker 10: and he's like Africa's rapping rap rappings up. Then the
Speaker 10: engineer goes, oh, that's okay.
Speaker 3: I think that take was good.
Speaker 10: Did you want to get another one?
Speaker 3: Are you ready?
Speaker 10: To do another one, and as like, what the fuck
Speaker 10: is this motherfucker? He's like, okay, clear, stand by, Like
Speaker 10: he was just okay, clear, It's like this motherfucker sounded
Speaker 10: like a fucking an airline pilot associate that he would
Speaker 10: say or whatever the fuck right. So I liked his efficiency.
Speaker 10: I like the fact that he was just like on
Speaker 10: it and just accommodating and nice. Because Shane was a
Speaker 10: little old rocker guy, rough, little rough, a little rough,
Speaker 10: not old rocker guy. But he started because he had
Speaker 10: a few hits. He was doing the money ship. He
Speaker 10: was feeling himself, you know what I'm saying, and the
Speaker 10: most unlikely base with a bunch of black kids.
Speaker 3: So now he's balling.
Speaker 10: He's feeling the feeling himself. And Bob was just like okay.
Speaker 10: I was like, so then we had to have the
Speaker 10: session were supposed to use Shane, and Shane couldn't do
Speaker 10: it because I guess shame is in Costa Rica balling
Speaker 10: whatever regretful vacation yo. Sudden Bob Power was I was like, wait,
Speaker 10: didnute Bob Power? Is that the guy who was doing
Speaker 10: the Jungle Brothers session two days ago and the guy
Speaker 10: who did and he was like, yeah, I was like
Speaker 10: book them and that was it. Wow, that was it.
Speaker 10: Home since then ever since then.
Speaker 3: Was our second guest on the show. It's amazing, literally
Speaker 3: exact same that.
Speaker 10: Record, that's that's the sonic record. That was it and
Speaker 10: that was like and I saw him work because he
Speaker 10: and I.
Speaker 1: Like, that's how Like I wonder if say regrets it now,
Speaker 1: like in hindsight, if you didn't take that vacation like
Speaker 1: Shane could have on so much hip hop history because.
Speaker 10: He did just a friend, he did that stuff, Monies
Speaker 10: in the Middle, he did.
Speaker 1: But for a lot of the mid nineties, late nineties
Speaker 1: generation cats, like we all read the engineer credits to
Speaker 1: our favorite records and it was like Bypower, try by Powered,
Speaker 1: Daylight Soul. So that's who we rolled with, Like we
Speaker 1: wanted the person that sounded chrisp and clean. So how
Speaker 1: how many mixes would you go through? And I know
Speaker 1: how meticulous Bob is as an engineer, but for the
Speaker 1: low end theory to get the base frequency that fucking
Speaker 1: loud and to get the snare drum that like, to
Speaker 1: get the the the base frequencies that you guys use
Speaker 1: and the snares that you guys use and the voices
Speaker 1: and you guys don't have Chuck d Preacher voices. So
Speaker 1: to get it thirty three and a third of the
Speaker 1: base with the kick, the snare to punch through and
Speaker 1: your voices which aren't Teddy Pendergrass. It's none of that
Speaker 1: ship that was good. But I'm just saying, what was
Speaker 1: what was the mixing process? Like, I mean, how much
Speaker 1: damage did y'all do to Well? I know, first of all,
Speaker 1: if you know by power, he never uses the big speakers,
Speaker 1: So that's even like he mixes everything on like clock
Speaker 1: radio status like the worst speaker.
Speaker 3: Well because these everybody, if you if you sound good
Speaker 3: on that, that was his big rule.
Speaker 10: Like and I to this day he's so right because
Speaker 10: if you could if.
Speaker 3: You get it sounds great.
Speaker 10: You're here and you hear everything and it's in articulation,
Speaker 10: and you know that you're seventy five there and he
Speaker 10: will always say so being at you. You hear everything,
Speaker 10: then it's about what you know the person, what kind
Speaker 10: of personality you wanted to have, Like so if if
Speaker 10: it's going for this or that, he he leans more
Speaker 10: to what's naturally their sonically, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So how did y'all achieve that?
Speaker 1: Because as simple as the record sounds drums, bass, voice,
Speaker 1: minimum samples, that is some hard ship to achieve to
Speaker 1: be that loud. It's it's louder than the average hip
Speaker 1: hop record. Like you take an album like Nation and Millions, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and which is crammed with everything, and it's it's not
Speaker 1: really loud though, but it's loud. It's not heavy, it's light.
Speaker 1: It's it's loud in the in the high end sense
Speaker 1: of the word.
Speaker 10: But do you feel like it has a lot of compression?
Speaker 10: Takes a Nation.
Speaker 3: Milly a lot, right, Yes, So how did you guys loudness?
Speaker 3: How did you guys achieve that? Because that's some hard Bob.
Speaker 10: Because Bob, I mean, his thing is about placement too,
Speaker 10: Like a guitar should kind of naturally be in like anywhere.
Speaker 10: If it's a rhythm guitar, it shouldn't naturally be in
Speaker 10: kind of like a you know, low mid, the bottom
Speaker 10: end of a low mid, so anywhere from like three hundred,
Speaker 10: you know, up to kind of maybe like Bob was
Speaker 10: so scientific with it, you know too, you know, it
Speaker 10: should be there, and then the bass has its section
Speaker 10: like depending that he was more about the natural placement
Speaker 10: of music and vocals and the sections of it, not
Speaker 10: too much compressions. And he really liked to use a
Speaker 10: lot of you know going through like we we worked
Speaker 10: on that on the blow and there you worked on
Speaker 10: the John Lennon Eve that was in battery. What Yeah,
Speaker 10: that was in battery.
Speaker 3: Damn, that was before my time.
Speaker 10: That was I was in studio b really, So we
Speaker 10: did a lot of shit going through that Neve and
Speaker 10: then we wind up mixing in a on the SSL.
Speaker 10: So the actual recording of it, the ship I was
Speaker 10: giving him, I was giving him, So.
Speaker 1: You would record that battery on in the b room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you miss going to battery just.
Speaker 3: To feel Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 1: Like when did y'all go, because y'all was We started
Speaker 1: December of ninety three, so.
Speaker 3: What's weird?
Speaker 10: Was Okay, the first joint y'all did. Y'all did home?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Well, we did organics home at some spot in Nepolis,
Speaker 1: great studios.
Speaker 3: Well that was like in the grid. We didn't know
Speaker 3: what we were doing.
Speaker 1: So all of Christmas of nineteen ninety three, and this
Speaker 1: before automation. This is on two inch tapes, so like
Speaker 1: you know, I would regretfully, like the guys would get
Speaker 1: mad at me if I'd say, like, okay, I want
Speaker 1: to echo on this part, which would mean that Bob
Speaker 1: would rewind rewind, and you know when you rewind the
Speaker 1: tape that's already ninety seconds worth of time. Now we're
Speaker 1: trying to perfect it. Any any request I had of
Speaker 1: Bob Power was a twenty minute exercise.
Speaker 3: So we're taking eight to nine hours per song per day.
Speaker 1: And you know we were used to just knocking shit
Speaker 1: out like okay, now song's done, but now it's like
Speaker 1: but Bob explaining like this is the meticulous process.
Speaker 10: And guys, I need some quiet. If you guys want
Speaker 10: to talk, please guys go another room.
Speaker 3: Did you hear that a lot?
Speaker 10: Did you hear that a lot?
Speaker 3: I said that a lot? Boss Bill.
Speaker 1: Boss Bill has alerted me to the fact that what's
Speaker 1: the website all Music All Music or discocks When you
Speaker 1: go to discogs and you look up someone's information. Because
Speaker 1: I gave Bob a new moniker title for each song,
Speaker 1: it would be like mixed by Bob.
Speaker 3: Guys, you really must take this in the break room.
Speaker 3: Power he has over he has over like sixty his
Speaker 3: credits guys. Really, I left you, guys some food in
Speaker 3: the fridge. Go check it out. Why I mix this
Speaker 3: song like literally, yeah, Bob was you it must be quiet?
Speaker 1: There was no like, none of that, none of the
Speaker 1: ship that I thought was going to happen when you
Speaker 1: make a rap record, like girls and parties and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. None of that was going on at Root sessions,
Speaker 1: like we were quiet and and focused.
Speaker 10: Guys. I just need a little bit of quiet, please, Tip,
Speaker 10: Why don't you come in and take a little you know, I.
Speaker 3: You know, I know it didn't get right right exactly.
Speaker 1: He would talk you down in a non condescending in
Speaker 1: a way you feel like, yeah, you are doing this
Speaker 1: for the greater good, Bob. Okay, let me take all
Speaker 1: this weed and hookers and the right right right right right,
Speaker 1: all right. Well, at this rate, I'll be lucky to
Speaker 1: get the Midnight Maran.
Speaker 3: We gotta gets now, let's come on, all right, so look,
Speaker 3: so look.
Speaker 5: For me.
Speaker 1: Know this is nerd facts, but it should be noted.
Speaker 1: It should be noted that, uh, I feel like the
Speaker 1: scenario remix ushered in well, the chopping of the chopping
Speaker 1: of Blind Alley and what it represented. I felt like
Speaker 1: that was the most influential move that you guys did
Speaker 1: as producers, because.
Speaker 3: Pretty soon.
Speaker 1: When Kats heard Blind Alley chopped in a way okay,
Speaker 1: I'm speaking of the emotions Blind.
Speaker 11: Alley ain't no half step in being yeah, all these
Speaker 11: songs and you brought it back for phony rappers on uh.
Speaker 3: So to to chop it up in a way in which.
Speaker 1: I feel like producers were like, wait a minute, you
Speaker 1: don't have to play the complete four bar phrase of
Speaker 1: a drum.
Speaker 3: Weekend now.
Speaker 10: That that you know, just to interrupt that happened on
Speaker 10: check the rhyme. Actually, because I remember having a conversation
Speaker 10: with Large because prior to this, and this is not
Speaker 10: like me trying to do none of that ship but
Speaker 10: just on some like producers ship, geeky whatever. But I
Speaker 10: remember having a conversation with Large Professor, and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 10: those drums on the ep m D album. You know
Speaker 10: that E P m D song?
Speaker 3: Uh it was.
Speaker 10: The Hydro It was on their album, right, and they
Speaker 10: had the whole loop just playing, and I had the
Speaker 10: I had the record and I remember just wait, you
Speaker 10: remember yo. I remember just playing it and I was like, yo, Paul, Yo,
Speaker 10: I could just get half a bar. All these drums
Speaker 10: they're naked right here, and I can extend it.
Speaker 13: He was like what you mean.
Speaker 10: I was like, yo, listen, and it was like, doom.
Speaker 3: Do do forgive me? Do this Hydra Washington Jr.
Speaker 10: And then I just took an extra and then I
Speaker 10: took an extra kick off of the mini rip he
Speaker 10: put it, and I was like, Yo, look at this kick.
Speaker 3: Just translate for me. I'm just having a moment.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that was the first time. Yeah, you could take
Speaker 10: half of a half a half a bar. Like it
Speaker 10: wasn't that wasn't being done, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: So it was just like you would get the loop
Speaker 10: and loop it, or you'd have a program still to
Speaker 10: that point. But to realize that you could just get
Speaker 10: a little fun peace and extended.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Ship, it was so weird that
Speaker 1: you said that, because when you said check the rhyme,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, well, that doesn't count to because
Speaker 1: no one knows what those drums are anyway.
Speaker 3: We know them all alone, all right, Philadelphia's own Grove,
Speaker 3: Washing Bosville Just go Sie Sie.
Speaker 1: Side note Lewis Johnson and the Brothers. Johnson is playing
Speaker 1: base and Steve, you are the master.
Speaker 3: Of all things. Cree Taylor.
Speaker 15: Uh oh, yes, kudo, Yes, what what album is?
Speaker 6: It?
Speaker 11: Is it?
Speaker 10: Feeling so good?
Speaker 3: Feel so good? Damn mm hmm.
Speaker 12: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Papa love it? Play check the rhyme I will.
Speaker 1: I would still love to flip it, show our listeners
Speaker 1: exactly I was made.
Speaker 3: But you know I can hear it. They can hear it,
Speaker 3: because yes, if you couldn't hear poison, if Auntie can
Speaker 3: hear it?
Speaker 10: Yo, where was where was Creed Tailor's studio at Creed
Speaker 10: Taylor Studio the ct I like, where did he cut
Speaker 10: Rudy van Gelder? Oh he cut it. He cut it
Speaker 10: in Englewood.
Speaker 15: Everything there, yeah, all at ct I she was cut.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that, all right, just for tip, I'll
Speaker 1: do it right now, Thank you, thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 3: Now I forgot what I was looking for.
Speaker 16: The kudoo stuff too, mainly over there, some stuff at electrically. Actually,
Speaker 16: I realized that it should be a museum. The reason
Speaker 16: why it was taking me so long was because I
Speaker 16: forgot that rhyme was spelled.
Speaker 3: They cut Love Supreme in that room.
Speaker 15: They cut all that blue note. You know, all blue note.
Speaker 13: I hear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, boom boom, boom boom. It's fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking of that, speaking of the remix, Yeah,
Speaker 1: speaking of the remix, Uh, where did Hood come from?
Speaker 10: The Hood was through on my Way, you know street k.
Speaker 10: He was in and out of group homes. He was
Speaker 10: really trying to get it together, and I was looking
Speaker 10: forward to working with him because kind of pre dating,
Speaker 10: you know, a Redman or b I G like, I
Speaker 10: thought that, like he kind of occupies something that I
Speaker 10: hadn't heard in about, like a real, real street energy
Speaker 10: that was now but it was just real like he
Speaker 10: has he has rhms man. He was dope, and unfortunately
Speaker 10: I was the only he was from Hollis. I was
Speaker 10: the only joint that he got to do. He didn't
Speaker 10: even get to see that come out.
Speaker 3: Oh damn. How long was his demise after Well.
Speaker 10: After we did the record, he was murdered. I think
Speaker 10: the week after damn Jesus.
Speaker 1: Okay, So how many versions of scenario are there? And
Speaker 1: why did it go through so many drafts before we
Speaker 1: wound up with the final version that we have.
Speaker 10: I think there's like one which is original two.
Speaker 3: Do you know who was on each version.
Speaker 10: No, I know, there's a there's one version with us
Speaker 10: again with there's one there actually four. There's the riginal,
Speaker 10: there's the one that's out. Then there's another version with
Speaker 10: all of us who were on the record, with just
Speaker 10: different placement in different little versions.
Speaker 3: So there's this different way Busted doesn't end the song and.
Speaker 10: He does, yeah, something something different. It was a rough
Speaker 10: about it. I don't know if he didn't end it,
Speaker 10: but I know it's a different rap a little bit.
Speaker 10: Then there's another version with Jirobi.
Speaker 3: And pass.
Speaker 10: On it and right that, and then there's another version
Speaker 10: with Dress pause and Chris Lady.
Speaker 3: Like, this is our moment. Let let's not mess this
Speaker 3: up for.
Speaker 10: I already knew that it was going to be the
Speaker 10: first one.
Speaker 3: So the album version is the first one.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I already knew that that was going to be it.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, let me make sure this straight. The
Speaker 1: version that's on the album, Yes, was done completely as
Speaker 1: we know it. And you're saying that there was a
Speaker 1: discussion like we could do better.
Speaker 10: We did that and I kind of knew what it was.
Speaker 10: But everybody was in there and heard it and heard
Speaker 10: about it was like run on it.
Speaker 3: Yes, So here's the other million dollar questions and you
Speaker 3: know what's coming.
Speaker 10: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: Why wasn't Daylight on every any tribe records and award tour?
Speaker 3: It doesn't count, you know.
Speaker 10: I wanted.
Speaker 3: Fantasy in our minds. No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 10: The first thing I wanted to do. I had a
Speaker 10: record called Native Tongues for the first album and it
Speaker 10: sampled Pride and Vanity by Ohio Players. I still have
Speaker 10: to beat actually, but and I played it. I told
Speaker 10: Daylight and Jungles that come by. I got the I
Speaker 10: got the record for all us. And then I had
Speaker 10: like on Instinctive Travels ship right, and so then I
Speaker 10: was playing it and passing him was like, you know, mercy,
Speaker 10: you know, listen to a dude. That ship day was
Speaker 10: just to see it. So and then because when we
Speaker 10: walked in, when they walked in, we were working on
Speaker 10: mister Muhammad oh man. It was the first tam he
Speaker 10: heard it and he was like, I was like.
Speaker 3: Yo, that that's hype. That's the hype. That's the hype.
Speaker 10: He kept saying, that's like yo, But let me play
Speaker 10: you the beat for Native Tongue, and it's all like
Speaker 10: do do do, dude, and where, And he was like, no,
Speaker 10: we're gonna rob on the other one. I was like, nah,
Speaker 10: that's mister morass. At least joined now, y'all not roming
Speaker 10: on that. It's this one.
Speaker 3: No, fuck that other one.
Speaker 10: Come on, y'all, come on, pause, come on, come on,
Speaker 10: let's do it.
Speaker 3: We rubbing the other world.
Speaker 10: And I was looking at him. I was like, I
Speaker 10: was like, well, this is a rhyme on it, so
Speaker 10: that would never happen.
Speaker 3: Then, well that doesn't count.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that doesn't count. I was that was the one
Speaker 10: chance I believe other than a war tour and the
Speaker 10: scenario things, you.
Speaker 1: Know, because like every native tongue entry has their own
Speaker 1: native tongue posse cut on it, and.
Speaker 3: It never happened on a tribe record. And I just.
Speaker 10: All right, so Midnight there's a there's a version of
Speaker 10: Midnight with.
Speaker 3: Ad Rock on it. The night is on my mind.
Speaker 10: Yeah, But before it was even that, it was just
Speaker 10: a beat over there.
Speaker 1: Wow, I just found that ship. Uh, the George Juke
Speaker 1: Jordan m hm, wow, ah, don't make me figure out
Speaker 1: what it is?
Speaker 10: The aura?
Speaker 7: Ah?
Speaker 3: Is it? Okay? Yes, that's it? You sure you found it?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 1: I knew I was on it because it felt familiar.
Speaker 1: I didn't figure out which cord y'all used, but it.
Speaker 10: Was just who was the voice for the tour guide
Speaker 10: Rest in peace? Laurel Dan She just passed last year.
Speaker 3: Oh man, she was.
Speaker 10: She was the production coordinator at Jive. Sweet lady, like
Speaker 10: just super nice and oh man, she was white, white, Yeah,
Speaker 10: but she was super cool. Man Like, I feel like
Speaker 10: she was dope.
Speaker 3: And how did y'all eq her voice to make it
Speaker 3: sound like that?
Speaker 10: You know, we just wanted to make it sound like
Speaker 10: a computer or phone something like that, something that was
Speaker 10: just that didn't funk with the other frequencies and ship.
Speaker 10: You know, this is the voice on your Yeah. I
Speaker 10: remember writing all of that ship out for her and
Speaker 10: telling her say it like this, No, no, say it
Speaker 10: like this. And I was like, Okay, now, Bob, you
Speaker 10: gotta chop it. I know, I know, Tip, I know,
Speaker 10: I know.
Speaker 3: So he was.
Speaker 10: I was. I was more excited about that than anything
Speaker 10: else on the record. I said, Okay, got it, got
Speaker 10: exactly Tip, I know.
Speaker 3: And hard computer? How do you do that?
Speaker 5: Ye?
Speaker 3: Like he's chopping it, like you mean, like on actual
Speaker 3: real he's chopping a voice.
Speaker 10: That was done on tape.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah.
Speaker 10: She would say, oh no, no, no no no no no,
Speaker 10: no no no, I gotta ask Bob. I can't remember.
Speaker 10: I wanted to say it was either done tape or
Speaker 10: it was a or it was samples and I would
Speaker 10: fire off this sample, the fire off the sample for
Speaker 10: the next phrase, like I am on the front of
Speaker 10: your album cover and then yeah, you're about to you know,
Speaker 10: I tried quest, you know, I think it was.
Speaker 11: That cute tip. Was that the first time? So you
Speaker 11: carried that, uh that graphic over into the Beats Rhymes
Speaker 11: and Life cover And I've always wanted to ask.
Speaker 3: You this, Yeah, who is that person? Yeah? No, well no,
Speaker 3: that was it. I'm sorry, No, you know you was
Speaker 3: kind of completing it right, who was that person?
Speaker 11: And also my my theory or how I always interpreted
Speaker 11: the Beats Rhymes and Life cover. To me, it looked like,
Speaker 11: because this is around the time, this is like Biggie pop,
Speaker 11: like all that ship was going on, and it just
Speaker 11: looked like hip hop was just kind of in a
Speaker 11: state of emergency, and you know, so you had like
Speaker 11: the red, black and green, the figure was crying and
Speaker 11: the city was burning, and to me, it just that's
Speaker 11: what it represented.
Speaker 3: It represented hip hop kind of falling apart.
Speaker 10: I mean, it was just like be Rhyme's a life period.
Speaker 10: It was an odd time. It was a little dark,
Speaker 10: just because I guess Fife and I were having our
Speaker 10: issues and I converted Islam and then I met Dyla
Speaker 10: and just meeting him was just like a bright spot
Speaker 10: and bringing him in on the record, and I bought
Speaker 10: some Consequence on the record. So I guess everybody started
Speaker 10: feeling threatened. And my whole thing was like come on,
Speaker 10: you know, I was all this old happy go like no,
Speaker 10: it's a tribe. Everybody could come on your hey, you know.
Speaker 10: And I don't think everybody was feeling nats. But I
Speaker 10: just wanted to kind of like be more expansive. I
Speaker 10: felt like, you know, the way that hip hop was
Speaker 10: starting to shift, even though we weren't necessarily following the
Speaker 10: same course per se, I still wanted to put something
Speaker 10: in there that still represented still represented like a growth,
Speaker 10: if you would, or some sort of like you know,
Speaker 10: new elements. Just we're changing in our own way, you know, uh,
Speaker 10: the same at the same time that the genre is changing.
Speaker 10: So you know, it just brought it was a lot
Speaker 10: of stuff that wasn't discussed, wasn't clear when people put
Speaker 10: us on this pedalestal at the time critically and all
Speaker 10: the shit.
Speaker 11: So sorry, but I mean, but y'all had released like
Speaker 11: three perfect albums before, so it's kind of like, I mean,
Speaker 11: you can understand where that pedestal came from.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was I was saying it was a
Speaker 3: well deserved pedestal.
Speaker 10: Well, I you know, after that first.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, why are we skipping a record? Like
Speaker 3: we know, we're not We're we was just asked the question.
Speaker 1: I was just he was talking about the figurine and
Speaker 1: whatever whatever represent Wait before we go to the dark place, wait,
Speaker 1: go to the happening place. Please explain this, tell me
Speaker 1: the story. All Right, I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play
Speaker 1: this for it, I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play you
Speaker 1: this and you explain what this means to you. This
Speaker 1: Don't walk Away by Jade on Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 10: Joy Lit It know you're in the constant mind.
Speaker 3: I'm the one with the bracest of course, no rock,
Speaker 3: another rock, got a rock home. How about said there
Speaker 3: there's a reason why I'm playing this. Ladies, and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: Tim's gonna explain why.
Speaker 10: Shout the girls who have poetic justice braids?
Speaker 3: Can? I? Yi, you're an R and B head head.
Speaker 1: That's weird to me because it's like you live in
Speaker 1: a world where like Gaut McDermott lives.
Speaker 3: But then right now you're doing the rebot.
Speaker 10: I just took the video.
Speaker 3: This is gonna be great because there's no music behind it, like.
Speaker 1: Garfield Garfield minus Garfield, explain to me why that song
Speaker 1: is so important to you?
Speaker 10: Man, this is to that record.
Speaker 3: That ship is so dope. But this is the thing
Speaker 3: though in.
Speaker 10: The baseline obviously, but I heard it.
Speaker 3: It didn't hit me that way. So how where did
Speaker 3: it hit you to the point you were like, yo,
Speaker 3: we gotta go there.
Speaker 10: Well, of course, turn it off.
Speaker 3: Wait it's a turning off. Hey hey no oh way,
Speaker 3: see I'm the only one man is off, said Barb.
Speaker 10: Put it on Barbar Right, they gotta based off that song? Well, right, yes,
Speaker 10: you gotta let this play.
Speaker 3: You gotta get to the don't walk break it down. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is the breakdown.
Speaker 10: You can turn it down. No, we just turn it down.
Speaker 10: Every time we hear the talk over it. It's the baseline,
Speaker 10: know that you make you explain.
Speaker 3: Dumb.
Speaker 10: I was just hit as ship in the club. That
Speaker 10: ship would just be rocking so hard.
Speaker 3: All right, the course is back. It's I've heard you
Speaker 3: played this in the club many times. Yeah, yes, I mean, my.
Speaker 10: God, and it's an era like the whole era.
Speaker 3: It's summer ninety three all over. That was a good summer.
Speaker 10: Oh my god, that she was cracking. So when I
Speaker 10: heard it, I was like, I gotta make a record
Speaker 10: like that, that baseline. So I just wanted to like
Speaker 10: reapproach it.
Speaker 3: So it was digital digital bom pom pomb, I.
Speaker 10: Mean, because obviously was going against the Weldon ravine.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, I never would have gotten
Speaker 3: like it took me a long time to figure out.
Speaker 6: That's where Yeah, boo boo.
Speaker 3: How do you hear these music ideas? Because because I know.
Speaker 1: The imergion, because I know I think you're the king,
Speaker 1: especially with songs like this where you.
Speaker 3: Will force a a square and a circle peg. Because
Speaker 3: the thing is the the horn line.
Speaker 10: Doesn't have anything that is a guitar line from Charles Earling.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the guitar line from Charles Erland has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with which has nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: j bassline, which has nothing to do with the bridge.
Speaker 3: And it works, but you forced it to work.
Speaker 10: That was fun, wasn't it.
Speaker 13: Yeah? It always fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have enough dance breaks.
Speaker 10: You need to have more dance breaks well on every episode.
Speaker 3: How about this?
Speaker 9: I was the first guest, now I'm on the show.
Speaker 9: You can be the fiftieth guest, now you're on the show.
Speaker 10: I would either that or is this a proposition? A proposal,
Speaker 10: and you guys could talk it over.
Speaker 3: The Chapelle level of proposal. Music might not ever have crazy.
Speaker 3: It's just like a mayor.
Speaker 10: You gotta trust me on this.
Speaker 3: Yes, so I have traumatory idea. Great. You don't get.
Speaker 10: Great idea every time that y'all want to have a
Speaker 10: dance seg. Just call it the tip dance segue. I
Speaker 10: don't care nigga. If it's nigga, I have beef with said, Okay,
Speaker 10: this is the tip.
Speaker 3: If d do that, you have to record an intro
Speaker 3: for the second.
Speaker 10: I'll totally I'll do it. Don't worry about it. I'll
Speaker 10: record the tip dance segment music.
Speaker 1: All right, give us the intro like interrupt. We interrupt
Speaker 1: this for a Tip dance break.
Speaker 10: We interrupt this for a Q Tip dance break.
Speaker 18: Dance this, I will always want way come on eftless
Speaker 18: wait dancing. It's a q Tip Brands dance break.
Speaker 3: Man away.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about arguments in the group. See, actually,
Speaker 1: Midnight Marnas is so overwhelming.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to talk about it or how
Speaker 3: to praise it. Electric relaxation, Like, okay, let's get to
Speaker 3: the dark because there's a lot of a lot of dissecting.
Speaker 3: I want to do creative. Can I ask what popped
Speaker 3: in my head? Ahead?
Speaker 10: I don't know if it's ever going to come back again,
Speaker 10: so I have to take advantage of it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 10: The part on the album where you are you and Rich?
Speaker 10: And I think it's you rich and who is youll
Speaker 10: arguing on the.
Speaker 3: Phone that yes, that was very much real.
Speaker 10: What was that?
Speaker 3: Okay? So we were it's talking about the intro to rising,
Speaker 3: the introll, the Rising down?
Speaker 1: Should I played Have you heard ifah? If Liyah hasn't
Speaker 1: heard it, then that means it doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: You know I heard it, you didn't. I want to
Speaker 3: hear it. I feel like if if a root song
Speaker 3: falls in the forest and doesn't hear it. It never
Speaker 3: made a sound. I'm good to game there, I am good.
Speaker 3: It's like it's not game. Just the album.
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, that that was a good one too. Had
Speaker 13: the Go Go drawn with Christte Michelle.
Speaker 3: And anyway anyway, all right, so this is what Tip
Speaker 3: is asking about.
Speaker 4: Like this, I mean that ship wasn't fun.
Speaker 3: That it was not It wasn't no trip. It was
Speaker 3: hard working ship.
Speaker 15: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And I feel like I'm busting that. It breaks my
Speaker 3: heart when I hit us further and not getting gatic.
Speaker 1: Well if you God, really that fucking unhappening only got
Speaker 1: problems with me and made me are to go somewhere
Speaker 1: how fucked up like truly is is what he was
Speaker 1: really saying.
Speaker 10: That it don't get no better than this unless you
Speaker 10: got your own record label.
Speaker 3: That's basically a point I'm trying to get the problem.
Speaker 4: I mean, And when you got that phone call from
Speaker 4: you and know where it came from, and energy like.
Speaker 1: The bandage can't handle the you tell me some screaming
Speaker 1: at me, I'm kind where the energy needs to go
Speaker 1: A mirror, mirror, please tell him it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: All the way. This is what I'm talking about. What anyway,
Speaker 3: it sounds like that conversation we had a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks ago.
Speaker 10: That's Rich right there, right.
Speaker 3: That is niggas.
Speaker 10: They know that that nigga Rich, don't matter what the
Speaker 10: nigga look like.
Speaker 3: Rich got a net soul like Ethan Rich. I p yeah, man,
Speaker 3: that is like he was Peter Grant.
Speaker 10: That motherfucker bloody. Somebody knows real quick.
Speaker 3: Rich will bloody you knows and you will thank him
Speaker 3: for it afterwards.
Speaker 10: I mean, but yeah, So what you're hearing is, so
Speaker 10: who was that talking at for that waster?
Speaker 3: That was okay?
Speaker 1: Uh a j Shin who is uh the stretched Armstrong
Speaker 1: and Bibido of Philadelphia who discovered us and with his
Speaker 1: accident money settlement money made a demo called Organics for
Speaker 1: the Roots and we somehow nuanced.
Speaker 3: That into a record deal.
Speaker 1: So this particular back for some pay. Next question, No,
Speaker 1: a bootleg recently came back. Like I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: where'd this album come from? It's like us live in
Speaker 1: London somewhere anyway. So the scenario is we are doing
Speaker 1: our first promo tour down South and this is where
Speaker 1: we're slowly realizing that this is going to be a
Speaker 1: long hard journey, and that long hard journey, you know,
Speaker 1: in our minds, we thought like, well, if we make
Speaker 1: what's good to Like, we didn't know what a formula level.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about a hook and pop atmosphere and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and we didn't know that stuff. So
Speaker 1: all we knew was that we went to a nightclub
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. No fence from town.
Speaker 3: We went. We went to a nightclub in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Uh And in hindsight, the DJ probably shouldn't have stopped
Speaker 1: playing warreng g immediately, Like it was one of those televisions.
Speaker 3: It was like it was like no, it was like yeah, no,
Speaker 3: no no. It was like a perfect example.
Speaker 11: It was like the five Heartbeats, this next group coming on,
Speaker 11: say they better than the five Folktops putting together we.
Speaker 3: Shall see goddamn. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying as as a DJ who is DJ
Speaker 1: through the bad Boy era, like Puff is notorious, especially
Speaker 1: like let's go ten years back, you beat DJ in
Speaker 1: the club and then the bad Boy street team commandeer's.
Speaker 3: Your DJ booth with yo here play this now?
Speaker 1: Like and so this person obviously didn't have any nuance
Speaker 1: with the segue, so it's like a very popular own song.
Speaker 3: Suddenly he just takes it off and puts on a song.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have put the kick drum on the
Speaker 1: one and the three so that the beat was more steady.
Speaker 1: That he just puts the source of static on. And
Speaker 1: I literally watched a dance floor. It was like, no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even that. It wasn't even that it hurt
Speaker 1: them to dance too. They were just like that kick
Speaker 1: drummers a little disorienting.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I meant for me, I was just taking the second
Speaker 1: half of substitution. I was taking the second half of substanution.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do off substitution, but because those guys
Speaker 1: were like, we'll get sued, we'll get sued. And I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, well I'll do the second half
Speaker 1: of substitution. And I flop them on it because I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: Dayla already did the second half of substitution on the
Speaker 1: last song on Blue Mind State, and and you know
Speaker 1: they're like, no, man, don't do substitution. We're gonna get sued.
Speaker 1: So I mean I saw him struggle with it. And
Speaker 1: then when they cleared the dance floor. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're fucked. We are so fucked right now.
Speaker 3: And so just all that week, we go to in
Speaker 3: stores with just.
Speaker 1: Like three people there and those are like the employees
Speaker 1: we go to. We went to Florida somewhere and nobody cared.
Speaker 3: It was like a week of hell. And so we
Speaker 3: got on the phone. It was Wendy Goldstein, Joe Rindy
Speaker 3: was on that call.
Speaker 11: Yes, oh my god, and Tarik quiet, hell, yeah, what
Speaker 11: y'all got damn contracted in the shred of.
Speaker 1: Like right, so right over that muff, Tarik is fussing
Speaker 1: and cussing and like he laid into it, like you know,
Speaker 1: what the fuck, Like we're out here, the street team
Speaker 1: doesn't know who we are, and.
Speaker 3: Right, no, well that's okay.
Speaker 1: Yes, in the very beginning, Wendy called and cursed out
Speaker 1: Wendy gold Steam. Wendy then called Tarik like I just
Speaker 1: got cursed out by Tik, What the fuck? And then
Speaker 1: then Rich called Joe and me and Tariq was like, yo, like,
Speaker 1: y'all can't be spassing out at the A and R
Speaker 1: like that, and you know, you can't be spassing out
Speaker 1: and Tarik would just like you know, it was just
Speaker 1: basically we had all these expectations to do well.
Speaker 3: We thought is a.
Speaker 10: Wild boy too? Yes, so it must have been crazy.
Speaker 10: Like I was listening to that ship when it first
Speaker 10: came out, I was like, I felt, you know, the group.
Speaker 3: Dynamic through anything. Yes, every group. This is why like groups.
Speaker 6: One thing I can ask, did you guys just take
Speaker 6: record every conversation you guys on the phone?
Speaker 3: You tape that right? Did you like that? Oh? I
Speaker 3: was too? Okay. This is the part that I'm leaving out.
Speaker 3: Was that I still had a bunk bed. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing I was.
Speaker 10: I had.
Speaker 1: I'm still in my childhood home as a teaching So
Speaker 1: because I was on the top bunk, the message already
Speaker 1: went to machine a mirror. I know you're there, pick
Speaker 1: up the phone, you know, like old school answer machines.
Speaker 3: Machine recorded it, right, So then you know, on on
Speaker 3: the top bunk region and didn't.
Speaker 1: I was too lazy to get off off the bed
Speaker 1: to turn the machine off, right, So I just let
Speaker 1: it go and stay.
Speaker 3: But then, you know, so why was.
Speaker 10: He calling out your name like AMA, talk to them
Speaker 10: and tell them well, because it.
Speaker 1: Was Rich was saying, Amir, will you tell them these
Speaker 1: people think that they're talking to me.
Speaker 3: No, he was like, Amir, will you tell them what
Speaker 3: happened on the road.
Speaker 1: Basically, it was kind of the two managers arguing with
Speaker 1: each other, whereas Joe aj Shin was like, yo, don't
Speaker 1: mess up our good thing at Geffen, and Rich was
Speaker 1: sort of on me and Serika's side, like shits fucked
Speaker 1: up out here.
Speaker 3: And we were broke, and when you're broke, you argue.
Speaker 1: So that's there was a lot of that going on,
Speaker 1: but surprisingly we stayed together now twenty five plus years.
Speaker 10: We'll get a sound effect for that.
Speaker 3: The key to that, like a.
Speaker 1: Well, this is what I want to know, Like why
Speaker 1: didn't y'all just not that you guys were road dogs
Speaker 1: as far as like always on a tour bus, but
Speaker 1: we knew from the gate that two tour buses would
Speaker 1: save this group. And you know, I joke about the
Speaker 1: whole Gryffin door and Slytherin thing, but you know, in hindsight,
Speaker 1: could a lot of the tension then avoided.
Speaker 10: If we had two tour buses?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was just like doing all a
Speaker 3: lot of pay were y'all on the same bus, so.
Speaker 10: You gotta remember and it's probably like y'all too, like
Speaker 10: we grew up together, you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 10: you getting separate buses to me, Yeah, I've seen a
Speaker 10: lot of rock and rollers say that and networks but that,
Speaker 10: and that's very well. But our ship was deep, you know,
Speaker 10: part of the pun, deep rooted. That had nothing to
Speaker 10: do with any sort of physical separation.
Speaker 3: It was more, I mean.
Speaker 10: Like it's it was really like we were cool. Then
Speaker 10: you get on and then people start coming around that
Speaker 10: you've never seen before. They start working their way into
Speaker 10: your equation, and then this starts to become separate groups
Speaker 10: like yeah, yeah, a little factions, and you know how
Speaker 10: that ship is. There's the faction. Yeah yeah, there's this faction,
Speaker 10: this faction, and then that coupled with the fact that
Speaker 10: you're still young, you are still you know, fighting for
Speaker 10: your own terrain as an individual and all that ship,
Speaker 10: and then the new people are coming in like yeah, man,
Speaker 10: you can pay for your own terrain, fight for my
Speaker 10: own train like that type ship.
Speaker 1: I feel you, and especially for you, because there's nothing
Speaker 1: more awkward when you get singled out, and.
Speaker 10: That's why I situation said from the beginning, well, this
Speaker 10: is the way I tribe never put my face on
Speaker 10: the cover.
Speaker 11: And I wanted to ask you that man like me,
Speaker 11: you always seem to be and let me know if
Speaker 11: if I was reading it wrong, you always seem to
Speaker 11: be like a kind of reluctant.
Speaker 3: Very reluctant, you know what I mean, Like you never
Speaker 3: I mean, you had the talent.
Speaker 14: I mean.
Speaker 1: But the thing, the thing though, is at least there
Speaker 1: is sometimes at least there's justifiable understanding for the lead
Speaker 1: voice to be the center of attention.
Speaker 3: It's twelve more times awkward when the leader is the.
Speaker 1: Guy that's way in the back, Yeah, the jont Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh Jesus, like I don't want this attention.
Speaker 3: And it's but thank you, that's what she said.
Speaker 1: No, but it's it's it's like no one understands the
Speaker 1: group dynamic more and the ship that goes on with groups,
Speaker 1: especially in your situation and in your situation more than me.
Speaker 3: Like it's it's just I get it.
Speaker 1: I think at least me and tw week situation, the
Speaker 1: greater good of the group is probably I mean, we at.
Speaker 3: Least had that understanding ironclad.
Speaker 1: You know, we've only had one fistfight in our twenty
Speaker 1: five years, and that was like maybe a two weeks
Speaker 1: after the distortion of static video.
Speaker 3: It's never I mean, I'm too bick Like I sat
Speaker 3: on top of him, like it's like he threw a chair.
Speaker 1: We wrestled in the in the office, and then like,
Speaker 1: well here's this that rich This is the thing that
Speaker 1: riched later ad minute, like we like post post fights
Speaker 1: with anybody that you've ever been in a fist fight.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've personally been in a fist fight.
Speaker 1: But yeah, even even the person that gets hit and
Speaker 1: the person that does the hitting, they both are equal pain,
Speaker 1: like you know. And but me and Tarik like didn't
Speaker 1: want to let each other know that we were so
Speaker 1: we were like limping in the hallway of our apartment.
Speaker 14: But when we see each other like I'm not hurt.
Speaker 14: Then like a month later we just laughed out loud
Speaker 14: about it like yeah, I wasn't I wasn't hurt either.
Speaker 14: I'm sorry man, you know. So it's it's it's I
Speaker 14: get that ship. So obviously tip your career, I feel
Speaker 14: is keep talking, Oh.
Speaker 1: So fight, Oh yeah, this that was do it t
Speaker 1: right Tip fight right here. So Tip, obviously your your
Speaker 1: your story is.
Speaker 3: Way more expansive. You're going to have to come back
Speaker 3: later in the year in the future. Ull speaking about.
Speaker 10: Is this part one?
Speaker 3: Yes? This is part one?
Speaker 11: What did you learn from I learned that Q Tip
Speaker 11: is still one of the biggest music fans ever to
Speaker 11: see you drop records and him still be dancing to it,
Speaker 11: and you know, for you to drop a record like
Speaker 11: Ghosts and him to reminisce on it and it takes
Speaker 11: him right back to the last quarter, you know what
Speaker 11: I mean.
Speaker 3: That's just a beautiful thing to see.
Speaker 11: It's a lot of brothers that you know, have been
Speaker 11: in the game, have been in the game as long
Speaker 11: as you have, you know what I'm saying, but have
Speaker 11: become somewhat jaded and have lost that passion Like.
Speaker 10: How could how could you? Maybe it's just me being naive,
Speaker 10: but how could you not have to excitement for music?
Speaker 1: It can happen because some people they they did take
Speaker 1: it personally. So it's like if you have musical dreams
Speaker 1: and okay, dream for me a dream, what happens to
Speaker 1: a loan deferred?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? It's like it's that kind
Speaker 3: of ship.
Speaker 11: So like if your if your ship gets deferred, then
Speaker 11: all of a sudden, it's like sour grade.
Speaker 10: You know, I can't even understand that, like seriously, like
Speaker 10: I can't even I don't have a comprehension of that.
Speaker 10: Like I love music so much, Like it's so much
Speaker 10: a part of of everything, even when if I'm in
Speaker 10: a fucked up most said whatever, like there's music to accompany,
Speaker 10: Like when Fife passed, you know, for you know, days after,
Speaker 10: you know, I'd have to put together some I'd have
Speaker 10: to hear some music to get me up.
Speaker 3: To what was your stuff?
Speaker 10: I mean you go to Stevie or Herbie or you
Speaker 10: know e w Web for you know, go to just
Speaker 10: keep me up, keep me optimistic, keep me you know going,
Speaker 10: And you know, I don't know, I guess.
Speaker 11: I sound corny, Yeah, Verry Human, did you have any
Speaker 11: records that you played for like the other stuff, just
Speaker 11: to really get into the sadness of the moment, Like
Speaker 11: did you have any of those joints?
Speaker 10: No? But it's funny because you know how it is,
Speaker 10: like you you always find something about whatever it is
Speaker 10: that makes you sad. It's just very relative a poignant
Speaker 10: to that moment, you know. For a horrible example, like
Speaker 10: if you have a breakup with the girl and every
Speaker 10: song you hear is like relatable to the breakup or whatever, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
Speaker 10: So even in those joyous songs, there would be points
Speaker 10: that would take you here that you know, tear you up,
Speaker 10: you know what I mean. So I just can't even
Speaker 10: fathom somebody not appreciate loving music.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna actually take the liberty to say that
Speaker 1: I think we all learned something really important, and.
Speaker 3: That's the importance of a good goddamn dance breaking ladies
Speaker 3: and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've taken over the awesome backswell no, we We're
Speaker 1: going to dance break right now. This is the best
Speaker 1: farm beat song of nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3: Three, according to Camal Forrie.
Speaker 1: Don't walk Away by jay On behalf of Fran tikeoloas
Speaker 1: Boss Bill Sugar Steve Unpaid Bill, Yeah man, yay yo,
Speaker 1: Margaret and you tip this Quest Loves signing off West
Speaker 1: Love Supreme.
Speaker 3: Got you.
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