WEBVTT - Hyperobjects & Our Liminal Reality

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to It could happen here. I'm Garrison, and

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<v Speaker 1>today I'm gonna be talking about some really big things

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<v Speaker 1>and ideas, but hopefully I'll be talking with them in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that contextualizes them and makes you remember that,

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<v Speaker 1>despite their magnitude, they're still very real things that you

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<v Speaker 1>can interact with. Anyway, I'll get started and eventually it

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<v Speaker 1>will kind of make sense. So right now we are

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<v Speaker 1>all living in one massive liminal space. For those less

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<v Speaker 1>online than I am, I'll explain what I mean. Liminal

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<v Speaker 1>spaces became an online meme around late twenty nineteen as

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<v Speaker 1>a term to describe a certain type of picture that

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<v Speaker 1>features architecture or like just a place that looks off familiar, eerie, lonely,

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<v Speaker 1>yet mesmerizing and beautiful. I've been an avid lurker on

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<v Speaker 1>the liminal space subpreddit for a while now, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>an undeniable allure to these dreamlike photos of buildings and

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<v Speaker 1>rooms and the effect that they have on me. Describing

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<v Speaker 1>what makes a liminal space photo a liminal space photo

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to just any other regular photo of a

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<v Speaker 1>building or a room can be tricky, because, in part,

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<v Speaker 1>the point is to elicit a certain feeling without thinking

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<v Speaker 1>too much about the why they're not spooky or scary

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<v Speaker 1>in the traditional sense. The gist of a liminal space

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<v Speaker 1>photo and where it gets its name liminality is a

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<v Speaker 1>good place to begin to understand what type of feelings

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<v Speaker 1>these pictures are supposed to produce. Liminal refers to a

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<v Speaker 1>transitional phase and the ambiguity and disorientation associated with being

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<v Speaker 1>inside of a threshold, not on either one side, per se,

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<v Speaker 1>but some where in between. Now, that threshold can be

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<v Speaker 1>many things. A literal transitionary threshold between certain places is

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<v Speaker 1>a common one. This can include stuff like hallways and airports.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my favorites, though, is a threshold between time,

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<v Speaker 1>an ambiguous, unspecific nostalgia you can't quite place, but it

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<v Speaker 1>feels awfully familiar, like a dream from childhood. Pictures of weird, indoor,

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<v Speaker 1>squishy playgrounds do this for me. The other threshold is

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<v Speaker 1>a threshold between purpose and use, like a building or

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<v Speaker 1>room designed for a very specific special purpose but now

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<v Speaker 1>no longer serving that it's empty and out of date,

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<v Speaker 1>an abandoned mall or cheery birthday party room at an arcade,

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<v Speaker 1>photographed desolate and in the dark. There's two other aspects

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<v Speaker 1>of liminal space. Photos that complement the various thresholds we've mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually have no visible people, and there's a sense of artificiality,

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of fluorescent and artificial lighting. And even

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<v Speaker 1>when there is a sunny outside, it looks fake, like

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<v Speaker 1>a Windows computer screen saver. One of the most popular

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<v Speaker 1>liminal space photos is of an underground bunker in Las

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas that was painted and decorated to look like it's

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<v Speaker 1>outside despite being buried deep within the ground. It's such

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<v Speaker 1>a great example of liminal spaces because it elicits a

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<v Speaker 1>certain type of cognitive dissonance and a distinct lack of

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<v Speaker 1>synchronicity that is difficult to describe Otherwise. Almost never is

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote nature the subject of these photos. They nearly

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<v Speaker 1>exclusively focus on very human constructs, particularly ones that no

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<v Speaker 1>longer serve their intended use, or maybe never did in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. So what do I mean by we're

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<v Speaker 1>all in one huge liminal space right now? Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>are in between an historic economic and technological boom, one

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<v Speaker 1>that's produced machines that resemble the magic of old. But

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of this valley is global climate

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<v Speaker 1>catastrophe and destruction and change the likes of which humans

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<v Speaker 1>have possibly never seen or at least remembered. We're in

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<v Speaker 1>the transitionary period between these two states, and that disassociation

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<v Speaker 1>of not being fully in either one, that that cognitive

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<v Speaker 1>dissonance can be kind of mind boggling. It's like the

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<v Speaker 1>nervous anticipation right before the roller coaster goes over the peak,

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<v Speaker 1>or that weird feeling of being alone in an empty

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<v Speaker 1>church nursery at night. Similar to liminal space photos, climate

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<v Speaker 1>change transcends a regular perception of time space, and with

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<v Speaker 1>that cause and effect, it's more than just a regular thing, phenomenon,

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<v Speaker 1>or object. While specifically thinking about climate change, philosopher to

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<v Speaker 1>with the Morton dubbed these massive spacetime altering objects as

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<v Speaker 1>hyper objects. Now Morton often writes about things that can't

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<v Speaker 1>be talked about directly, so really the only way to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss it or get into the topic is to orbit

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<v Speaker 1>around it, associating with adjacent ideas or words to get

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<v Speaker 1>close enough to the topic to partially understand it, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't get quite there. Other possible examples of

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<v Speaker 1>hyper objects besides climate change, can include stuff like black holes,

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<v Speaker 1>the biosphere or the solar system. But hyper objects don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to be just massive celestial things. They can also

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<v Speaker 1>be the sum total of all nuclear materials on Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>or the very long lasting product of direct human manufacture,

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<v Speaker 1>such as all of the styroform of plastic bags in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. It can also be the sum of all

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<v Speaker 1>the worling machinery of capitalism, or the state. Hyper objects, then,

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<v Speaker 1>are hyper just in relation to some other entity, whether

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<v Speaker 1>they're directly manufactured by humans or not. And hyper objects

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<v Speaker 1>aren't just collections, systems or assemblages of other objects. They

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<v Speaker 1>are things in their own right, and they affect more

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<v Speaker 1>than just humans. They don't come into being just because

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<v Speaker 1>humans notice them. They will have effects on the world

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not they are observed. One of the more

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<v Speaker 1>obvious differences between hyper objects and ordinary objects that you

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<v Speaker 1>can't ever actually see a hyper object in its totality.

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<v Speaker 1>You can only ever witness a small extension or piece

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<v Speaker 1>of a hyper object. Now, this makes thinking about them

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<v Speaker 1>kind of intrinsically tricky. It's like only seeing a fragmented

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<v Speaker 1>shadow of a thing and the effects that that thing

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<v Speaker 1>has on all other things. Now, the more contrarian listeners

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<v Speaker 1>might protest that we never see all of any object,

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<v Speaker 1>even ordinary ones. Now, it's obviously true that everything we

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<v Speaker 1>see has a negative side, the part behind that we

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<v Speaker 1>can't actually always look at, but can reasonably assume is there.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the difference is that hyper objects transcend not only

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<v Speaker 1>a regular conception of physical reality, but more so our

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<v Speaker 1>temporal reality. You can hold a coffee monk and rotate

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<v Speaker 1>it around in a pretty short amount of time and

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<v Speaker 1>witness each side and angle. Or if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>get really fancy, you could make a three sixty scan

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<v Speaker 1>so you can see a projected version of the entire object,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know more, simply just get three people in

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<v Speaker 1>a room to all look at different sides of the mug,

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<v Speaker 1>thus forming a consensual reality based understanding of the whole object. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>not only can you not hold a hyper object, but

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<v Speaker 1>even if you could, the temporal effects would make it

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to rotate it around to witness the totality of

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<v Speaker 1>what's being held, and it would be way too big

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<v Speaker 1>for multiple people to ever witness all sides of the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Quoting from Morton's book hyper Objects, The Philosophy and Ecology

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<v Speaker 1>after the End of the World. Quote, consider raindrops You

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<v Speaker 1>can feel them on your head, but you can't perceive

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<v Speaker 1>the actual raindrop in itself. You can only ever perceive

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<v Speaker 1>your particular anthropomorphic translation of the raindrops. Isn't this similar

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<v Speaker 1>to the rift between weather, which I can feel falling

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<v Speaker 1>on my head, and global climate, not the older idea

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<v Speaker 1>of local patterns of weather, but the entire system. I

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<v Speaker 1>can think of an compute climate in this sense, but

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<v Speaker 1>I can't directly see or touch it. The gap between

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<v Speaker 1>the phenomenon and the thing yawns wide open, disturbing my

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<v Speaker 1>sense of presence and being in the world. Humans have

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<v Speaker 1>been aware of enormous entities, some realism imagined, for as

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<v Speaker 1>long as we have existed, but this book has argueing

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<v Speaker 1>that there is something quite special about the recently discovered

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<v Speaker 1>entities such as climate. These entities directly cause us to

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<v Speaker 1>reflect on our very place on Earth and in the cosmos.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps this is the most fundamental issue. Hyper objects seem

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<v Speaker 1>to force something on us, something that affects some core

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<v Speaker 1>idea of what it means to exist, what Earth is,

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<v Speaker 1>what society is. There's no doubt that cosmic phenomenon such

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<v Speaker 1>as meteors and blood red moons tsunami's, tornadoes, and earthquakes

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<v Speaker 1>have terrified humans. In the past, meteors and comets were

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<v Speaker 1>known as disasters. Literally, a disaster is a fallen, dysfunctional,

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<v Speaker 1>or dangerous or evil star disaster. But such disasters take

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<v Speaker 1>place against a stable backdrop. There is the Ptolemaic Aristolian

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<v Speaker 1>machinery of the stars, which hold fixed stars in place.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems as if there's something about hyper objects that

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<v Speaker 1>is more deeply challenging than these disasters. The worry is

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<v Speaker 1>not whether the world will end, as in the old

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<v Speaker 1>models of the disaster, but whether the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>world is already happening, or whether perhaps it might have

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<v Speaker 1>already taken place. A deep shuttering of temporality then occurs.

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<v Speaker 1>For one thing, we are inside hyper objects, like Jonah

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<v Speaker 1>in the whale. This means that every decision we make

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<v Speaker 1>is in some sense related to hyper objects. These decisions

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<v Speaker 1>are not merely limited to sentences in texts about hyper objects.

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<v Speaker 1>When I turned the key in the Ignition of my car,

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<v Speaker 1>I am relating to global warming. When a novelist writes

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<v Speaker 1>about the immigration to Mars, they are relating to global warming.

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<v Speaker 1>I am one of the entities caught in the hyper

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<v Speaker 1>object that I hear call global warming. Different hyper objects

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<v Speaker 1>have numerous properties in common, but for our purposes we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to discuss the five main points of similarity. Hyper

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<v Speaker 1>Objects are viscous, meaning they stick to beings that are

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<v Speaker 1>involved with them. They are nonlocal, in other words, and

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<v Speaker 1>any local manifestation of the hyper object is not directly

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<v Speaker 1>the hyper object. They involve very different temporalities than the

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<v Speaker 1>human scale ones that were used to. In particular, some

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<v Speaker 1>very very large hyper objects have a genuine Gaussian temporality.

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<v Speaker 1>They generate space time vortexes due to general relativity, and

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<v Speaker 1>hyper objects occupy a higher dimensional phase space that results

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<v Speaker 1>in their being invisible to humans for structures of time.

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<v Speaker 1>And they exhibit their effects inter objectively. That is, they

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<v Speaker 1>can be detected in a space that consists of inter

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<v Speaker 1>relationships between aesthetic properties of objects. The hyper object is

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<v Speaker 1>not just a function of our knowledge. It is also

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<v Speaker 1>hyper relative to worms, lemons, and ultra violet rays as

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<v Speaker 1>well as humans. Now I'm going to go into the

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<v Speaker 1>five different points of similarity in more detail to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of help flesh out what these things hyper objects, what

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<v Speaker 1>they are, and how they might actually be a useful

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<v Speaker 1>way to think about really big stuff. So, first off,

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<v Speaker 1>viscous hyper objects adhere to any object they touch, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how hard the objects tries to resist. In this way,

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<v Speaker 1>hyper objects overrule ironic distance, meaning that the more an

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<v Speaker 1>object tries to resist a hyper object, the more glued

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<v Speaker 1>to the hyper object it becomes. Now, the more you

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<v Speaker 1>learn about any big topic, the more you'll end up

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<v Speaker 1>noticing it in the world. This is the law of synchronicity.

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<v Speaker 1>But the more you know about climate change, the more

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<v Speaker 1>you realize how perversive it is. The more you discover

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<v Speaker 1>about evolution, the more you realize how much our entire

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<v Speaker 1>physical being is caught in its meshwork. Immediate intimate symptoms

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<v Speaker 1>of hyper objects are very real, vivid, and often painful,

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<v Speaker 1>Yet they carry with them this trace of unreality. A

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<v Speaker 1>good example of hyper object viscosity would be radioactive materials.

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<v Speaker 1>The more you try to get rid of them, the

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<v Speaker 1>more you realize you can't. They seriously undermine the notion

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<v Speaker 1>of a way there is no away. Flushing vomit down

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<v Speaker 1>the toilet doesn't make it disappear. It makes its way

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<v Speaker 1>to the ocean or the water treatment facility, and and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually just back to us again. I'll quote from the

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<v Speaker 1>book hyper Objects quote late itself is the most viscous

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<v Speaker 1>thing of all, since nothing can surpass its speed. Radiation

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<v Speaker 1>is Sartra's jar of honey, Part excellence, a luminous honey

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<v Speaker 1>that reveals our bone structure as it seeps around us. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a matter of making some suicidal leap into

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<v Speaker 1>the honey, but discovering that we are already inside it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is it, folks, this is the ecological interconnectedness. Come

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<v Speaker 1>in and join the fun. But I see that you're

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<v Speaker 1>already here. Unquote. Yeah, that is a that's fun. The

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<v Speaker 1>next point of similarity where to discussed is the molten

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<v Speaker 1>or Gaussian quality. Hyper Objects are time stretched to such

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<v Speaker 1>an extent that they become impossible to hold in the mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Hyper objects are so massive that they refute the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that spacetime is fixed, concrete, and consistent. The size of

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<v Speaker 1>hyper objects can make them basically invisible just because they're

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<v Speaker 1>so big. It's like swimming in Crater Lake in southern Oregon,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the deepest lakes in the world. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just deep, it's also very very clear. So the

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<v Speaker 1>water is so deep yet so clear. It's like you're

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<v Speaker 1>swimming in the sky. It's like you're swimming and nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be like if you approach an object and

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<v Speaker 1>more and more objects emerge because we can't see the

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<v Speaker 1>end of them. Hyper objects are necessarily uncanny. They have

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<v Speaker 1>to be just like my favorite liminal space photos. Hyper

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<v Speaker 1>objects seem to beckon us further into themselves, making us

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<v Speaker 1>realize that we're already lost inside them. The recognition of

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<v Speaker 1>being caught in hyper objects is precisely a feeling of

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<v Speaker 1>strange familiarity and a familiar strangeness. Next up is non locality.

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<v Speaker 1>Hyper objects are massively distributed in time and space, such

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<v Speaker 1>as any particular local manifestation never actually reveals the totality

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<v Speaker 1>of the hyper object. For example, climate change is a

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<v Speaker 1>high project that impacts meteorological conditions such as tornado formations.

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<v Speaker 1>Objects don't feel climate change, but instead experienced tornadoes as

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<v Speaker 1>they cause damage in specific places. Thus, nonlocality describes the

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<v Speaker 1>manner in which a hyper object becomes more substantial than

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<v Speaker 1>the local manifestations that they produce. Quoting Moreton again, for

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<v Speaker 1>a flower, nuclear radiation turns its leaves a strange shade

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<v Speaker 1>of red. Global warming for the tomato farmer rots the

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<v Speaker 1>tomatoes plastic for the bird strangles it as it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>entangled in a set of six pack rings. What we

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<v Speaker 1>are really dealing with here are just the aesthetic effects

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<v Speaker 1>that are directly causal. The octopus of the hyper object

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<v Speaker 1>amits a cloud of ink as it withdrawals from access.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet this cloud of ink is a cloud of its

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<v Speaker 1>effects and effects these phenomenon themselves are not global warming

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<v Speaker 1>or radiation. S action at a distance is involved. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like confusing the map with the territory paper. Objects cannot

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<v Speaker 1>be thought up as occupying a series of now points

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<v Speaker 1>in time or space. They confound the social and psychic

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<v Speaker 1>instruments we use to measure them. Even digital devices have trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Global warming is not just a function of our measuring devices. Yet,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's distributed across the biosphere and beyond, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to see it as a unique entity. And yet there

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<v Speaker 1>it is raining down on us, burning down on us,

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<v Speaker 1>quaking the earth, spawning giant hurricanes. Global warming is an

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<v Speaker 1>object of which many things are distributed pieces. The rain

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<v Speaker 1>drops falling on my head in northern California, the tsunami

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<v Speaker 1>that pours through the streets, of Japanese towns, the increasing

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<v Speaker 1>earthquake activity based on changing pressure on the ocean floor

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<v Speaker 1>like a moving illusion picture. Global warming is real, but

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<v Speaker 1>it involves a massive, counterintuitive perspective shift for us to

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<v Speaker 1>see it. Convincing some people of its existence is like

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<v Speaker 1>convincing some two dimensional flatland people of the existence of

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<v Speaker 1>apples based on the appearance of a morphing circular shape

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<v Speaker 1>in their world. Next point of similarity is phasing. So

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<v Speaker 1>our sense of being in a time and inhabiting a

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<v Speaker 1>place depends on forms of regularity, the periodic rhythms of

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<v Speaker 1>day and night, the sun coming up, Only now we

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<v Speaker 1>know that it doesn't really come up. It's now common

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge that the Moon's phases are just the relationship between

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth and the Moon as they circumnavigate to the Sun.

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<v Speaker 1>Hyper objects seem to phase in and out of the

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<v Speaker 1>human world. They occupy a higher dimensional phase space that

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<v Speaker 1>makes them impossible to see as a whole on our

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<v Speaker 1>regular There a three dimensional human scale basis, but they

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<v Speaker 1>might appear differently to an observer with a higher dimensional view.

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<v Speaker 1>We can only see pieces of a hyper object at

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<v Speaker 1>a time. The reason why they appear non local and

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<v Speaker 1>temporarily for shortened is precisely because of this trans dimensional quality.

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<v Speaker 1>We can only see pieces of them at once, like

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<v Speaker 1>a tsunami or a taste of radiation sickness. If an

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<v Speaker 1>apple were to invade a two dimensional world, first the

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<v Speaker 1>stick people would see some dots as the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the apple touched their universe, and then a rapid succession

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<v Speaker 1>of shapes that would appear like an expanding and contracting

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<v Speaker 1>circular blob, diminishing into a tiny circle, possibly a point,

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<v Speaker 1>and then disappearing. That's why you can't directly see climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>You would need to occupy some higher dimensional space to

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<v Speaker 1>see the hyper object unfolding explicitly. Like the people in

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<v Speaker 1>the two dimensional flat land, we can only see brief

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<v Speaker 1>patches of this gigantic object as it intersects with our world.

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<v Speaker 1>The brief patch called hurricane destroys the infrastructure of New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>The brief patch called drought burns the planes of Russia

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<v Speaker 1>and the midwestern United States to a crisp our. Bodies

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<v Speaker 1>itch with yesterday's sunburn. But don't relegate hyper objects as

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<v Speaker 1>a simple abstract notion. Thin game of hyper objects as

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<v Speaker 1>transdimensional real things is valuable global warming is not simply

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<v Speaker 1>a mathematical abstraction that doesn't really pertain to this world.

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<v Speaker 1>Hyper Objects don't just inhabit some conceptual beyond in our

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<v Speaker 1>heads or out there. They are real objects that affect

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<v Speaker 1>other objects. We tend to only think about hyper objects

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<v Speaker 1>as they phase in and connect to other, more static objects.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a mistake and contributes to non action. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not we perceive objects and hyper objects connecting doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>affect the existence and the inevitable effects of the hyper object.

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<v Speaker 1>What we experience as the slow periodic re occurrence of

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<v Speaker 1>a celestial event such as an eclipse or a comet,

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<v Speaker 1>is a continuous entity whose imprint simply shows up on

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<v Speaker 1>our social and cognitive space for a while. The gaps

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<v Speaker 1>I perceive between moments at which my mind is aware

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<v Speaker 1>of the hyper object and moments at which it isn't

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<v Speaker 1>do not matter in relation to the hyper object itself. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and now onto our final point of similarity. Inter Objective

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<v Speaker 1>hyper objects are formed by relations between more than one object. Consequently,

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<v Speaker 1>objects are only able to perceive the imprint or footprint

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<v Speaker 1>of a hyper object upon other objects revealed as information.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all an ecological mesh of interconnectedness and inter objectivity.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, climate changes formed by interactions between the sun,

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<v Speaker 1>fossil fuels, carbon dioxide, economic growth, among other things. Yet

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<v Speaker 1>climate change is made apparent through emissions levels, temperature changes,

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<v Speaker 1>and the sea level rising, making it seem as if

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<v Speaker 1>global warming is a product of scientific models rather than

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<v Speaker 1>connected to an object that predates its own measurement. Hyper

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<v Speaker 1>objects exist in and between objects and things we deal

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<v Speaker 1>with every day, but it's not simply those objects. Plastic

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<v Speaker 1>bags are not climate change, but those things are both intertwined.

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<v Speaker 1>Hurricanes are not climate change, but they can be a

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<v Speaker 1>shadow like local manifestation of it. A mesh consists of

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<v Speaker 1>relationships between criss crossing strands and the gaps between strands.

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<v Speaker 1>Meshes are a potent metaphor for the strange interconnectedness of things,

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<v Speaker 1>an interconnectedness that does not allow for perfect, lossless transmission

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<v Speaker 1>of information, but is instead full of gaps and absences.

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<v Speaker 1>When an object is born, it is instantly meshed into

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship with other objects in the mesh. The mesh

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<v Speaker 1>isn't inside of all things, but it's on the edge

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<v Speaker 1>or floats on top of all things. Inter objective mesh

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<v Speaker 1>is the extra connecting layer between the mass and the

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<v Speaker 1>mask of all objects, almost like a universal skin fascia.

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<v Speaker 1>Inter objectivity provides a space that is ontologically in front

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<v Speaker 1>of objects, in which relational phenomenon can emerge. The massiveness

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<v Speaker 1>and distribution of hyper objects simply force us to take

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<v Speaker 1>note of this fact. Hyper objects provide great examples of

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<v Speaker 1>inter objectivity, namely the way in which nothing has ever

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<v Speaker 1>experienced directly, but only as mediated through other entities in

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<v Speaker 1>some shared consensual space. We never hear the wind in itself,

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<v Speaker 1>only the wind in the door, the wind in the trees.

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<v Speaker 1>This means that for every objective system, there is at

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<v Speaker 1>least one entity that is withdrawn from the relationship. We

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<v Speaker 1>see the footprint of a dinosaur left in some ancient

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<v Speaker 1>rock that was once a pool of mud. The dinosaur's

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<v Speaker 1>reality exists inter objectively. There is some form of shared

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<v Speaker 1>space between the rock, ourselves, and the dinosaur, even though

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<v Speaker 1>the dinosaur isn't there directly. The print of a dinosaur's

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<v Speaker 1>foot in the mud is seen as a foot shaped

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<v Speaker 1>hole in a rock by humans sixty five million years later.

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<v Speaker 1>There is some sensuous connection then, between the dinosaur, the rock,

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<v Speaker 1>and the human despite their vastly differing time scales. The

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<v Speaker 1>dinosaur footprint in fossilized mud is not a dinosaur. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>the footprint is a trace of the hyper object evolution

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<v Speaker 1>that joins me the dinosaur and the mud together, along

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<v Speaker 1>with the intentional act of holding them in the mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I found the hyper object banner as a useful tool

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<v Speaker 1>to help my brain think about things that are just

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<v Speaker 1>too big, things that have effects so spaced out in

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<v Speaker 1>time that using in our ordinary models of thought are

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<v Speaker 1>just inadequate. You can also reconcile the opposing views that

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<v Speaker 1>cast climate change as the very real series of disasters

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<v Speaker 1>or a complicated, interlocking mess of systems that can feel

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<v Speaker 1>very unreal and overwhelming. Just thinking of big things as

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<v Speaker 1>abstract systems has the habit of divorcing you from the

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<v Speaker 1>real world impacts things like hyper objects can cause. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>we forget that climate change is a thing we interact

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<v Speaker 1>with every day and can inform choices we make now

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<v Speaker 1>the almost impossible to comprehend totality of our situation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not great for mental well being. You can end up

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<v Speaker 1>tail spinning down a black hole of fate, conspiracy, coping, denial,

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<v Speaker 1>and doom. It's very easy to trip and fall into

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<v Speaker 1>a void of negation. Things that are hyper objects fundamentally

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<v Speaker 1>break our conception of reality temporality and cause an effect.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's already a really weird time to try to

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<v Speaker 1>suss out reality. We're constantly being bombarded with products and

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<v Speaker 1>services trying to usurp the real That's what marketing is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. First we had the Internet with its limitless

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<v Speaker 1>possibilities as a digital universe. Then we got the world

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<v Speaker 1>of social media with all of its fractured and fractal realities.

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<v Speaker 1>There's immersive gaming and the allure of getting lost within

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of unique worlds. And now we have VR a

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<v Speaker 1>R and the metaverse, more layers of digital fabrication trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be passed off as an almost hyper reality, a

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<v Speaker 1>promise to make a reality even more real and immersive

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<v Speaker 1>than our status quo. The Internet itself is another hyper object,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of this extra reality can take a strain

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<v Speaker 1>on the human mind. De realization the perception that actual

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<v Speaker 1>waking reality is an artificial construct, the feeling of being

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<v Speaker 1>de attached from your surroundings, like the world's made of cardboard,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're looking at everything through a cloud of fog

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<v Speaker 1>is becoming more and more common, especially among so called

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<v Speaker 1>gen Z, the generation that drew up with the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>being a staple of life. Now. How we got here

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<v Speaker 1>is a disassociation between humans and what we call nature

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<v Speaker 1>or the environment. The problems are getting fixed because we're

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<v Speaker 1>so disassociated from the effects, just as the effects are

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<v Speaker 1>from the cause. That resulting alienation of all things makes

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<v Speaker 1>this worse. All of the worst effects of climate change

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<v Speaker 1>aren't going to be felt for hundreds of years. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is a weird feeling. That is cognitive dissonance that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to understand that, and that makes

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<v Speaker 1>making decisions about our situation now feel distant yet also urgent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's both and it's neither, and it's confusing. The resulting

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>alienation of all things makes this worse. It produces this

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<v Speaker 1>lack of immediate and close in proximity consequences. We must

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<v Speaker 1>purposely remove these layers of separation and abandoned our anthropocentric thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Nature isn't other from us. We are nature, It's the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. We are all part of this big mesh. This,

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<v Speaker 1>this sacred idea of nature isn't natural and can never

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<v Speaker 1>be naturalized. We have to learn how to have an

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<v Speaker 1>ecology without nature, with without nature as a separate thing.

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<v Speaker 1>To have a genuine ecological view, we must relinquish this

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<v Speaker 1>idea that nature being separate from us once and for all.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to kill the anthroprasyne in our own head.

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<v Speaker 1>A quote from one of Morton's other books titled Ecology

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<v Speaker 1>Without Nature. Putting something called nature on a pedestal and

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<v Speaker 1>admiring it from afar does for the environment what patriarchy

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<v Speaker 1>does for the figure of a woman. It's a paradoxical

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<v Speaker 1>act of sadistic, possessive admiration. Unquote. So within Morton's branch

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<v Speaker 1>of philosophy, reification, the making of a thing into a

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<v Speaker 1>thing is precisely the reduction of a real object to

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<v Speaker 1>its sense will appearance for another object. Realification is reduction

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<v Speaker 1>of one's entity to another's fantasy about it. Nature is

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<v Speaker 1>a realification in this sense, and that's why we need

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<v Speaker 1>an ecology without nature. Maybe if we turn nature into

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<v Speaker 1>something more fluid, it might work. Now, most of our

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<v Speaker 1>modern political discourse can be boiled down to what things

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<v Speaker 1>are real and what things are not. Hyper objects and

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<v Speaker 1>climate change don't just play into this debate. But crash

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<v Speaker 1>into it, decimating all the other toys in this sandbox.

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<v Speaker 1>As Morton says, the threat of global warming is not

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<v Speaker 1>only political but also ontological. The threat of unreality is

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<v Speaker 1>the very sign of reality itself. And oh boy, do

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<v Speaker 1>we be experiencing this simultaneous disillusionment of reality and the

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmingly real presence of hyper objects which stick to us,

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<v Speaker 1>which are us. The worry is not whether the world

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<v Speaker 1>will end, but whether the end of the world is

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<v Speaker 1>already happening, or whether perhaps it might have already taken place.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea of the end of the world is very

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<v Speaker 1>active in environmentalism, but the way it's usually framed kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fosters its own negation. The end of the world

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<v Speaker 1>is coming idea is not really effective, since to all

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<v Speaker 1>types of purposes, the being that we are supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>feel anxiety about and care for is actually already gone.

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<v Speaker 1>This does not mean that there's no hope for ecological

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<v Speaker 1>politics and ethics and a better future. Far from it.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Morton and I would argue that the strongly

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<v Speaker 1>held belief that the world's about to end unless we

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<v Speaker 1>act now is paradoxically one of the most powerful factors

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<v Speaker 1>that inhibit a full engagement with our ecological coexistence here

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth. The strategy of the ecological hyperoject concept is

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<v Speaker 1>to then awaken us from this dream that the world

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<v Speaker 1>is about to end, because action on Earth, like the

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<v Speaker 1>real Earth depends on it, the end of the world

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<v Speaker 1>has already happened. Using the hyper object idea helps sort

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<v Speaker 1>out these overly systematic things into a package that I

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<v Speaker 1>can actually think about. There's something about discovering the language

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<v Speaker 1>for a feeling, being able to name it that is

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<v Speaker 1>empowering a way of finding handhold in the dim light

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<v Speaker 1>of confusion, rather than scrambling around in the dark. So

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<v Speaker 1>how would you convince two dimensional flatland people of the

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<v Speaker 1>existence of apples based on the occasional phasing appearance of

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<v Speaker 1>a morphing circular shape in their world. Now, hyper objects

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<v Speaker 1>can really assist in understanding the cognitive dissonance around to

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<v Speaker 1>climate to denial, you can't point to something like rising

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<v Speaker 1>sea levels and say that is climate change, because yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that isn't climate change. The high poor object rising sea

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<v Speaker 1>levels are just an environmental effect, and since the effects

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<v Speaker 1>are so disattached from the cause, that fosters a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of room for cognitive dissonance. When people point at extreme

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<v Speaker 1>weather and call it something else. It's our lack of ecology.

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<v Speaker 1>Are seeing of interconnected things as separate problems or manifestations,

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<v Speaker 1>missing the fact that almost all of our problems don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a shared root cause, but instead are just part

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<v Speaker 1>of a massive, shared bungee cord like mesh network. When

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<v Speaker 1>so many local manifesting problems and actual disasters are blamed

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<v Speaker 1>on climate change, even if you believe climate change is

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<v Speaker 1>the cause, which you know it is, it still feels

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<v Speaker 1>weird because climate change isn't just a simple thing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>such an amorphous shape shifting time traveling idea that for

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<v Speaker 1>the climate denier or climate skeptic, seeing very real physical

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<v Speaker 1>effects be blamed on such an abstract thing is hard

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<v Speaker 1>for them and their understanding of reality. For many people,

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<v Speaker 1>rejecting hyper objects is a lot easier than thinking about them,

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<v Speaker 1>because once you start thinking about them, finding solutions to

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<v Speaker 1>problems so displaced in time it's not only difficult, but

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<v Speaker 1>encourages procrastination. The greenhouse gas emissions up there in the

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<v Speaker 1>air right now won't reach their full effects for decades

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<v Speaker 1>and centuries. That's not downplaying the urgency of the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, that should make the problem more urgent. The

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<v Speaker 1>cause is our brief luxury and the effect is terror

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<v Speaker 1>forming the world. And we are right now caught in

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<v Speaker 1>between the uncanny hyper object of all liminal spaces. The

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<v Speaker 1>end of the world has already happened. We are on

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<v Speaker 1>the path and about to enter a new world. We

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<v Speaker 1>are in the liminal space hallway of all liminal space.

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<v Speaker 1>Always the door behind us is closed, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>other end of the hallway is a black hole. We

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<v Speaker 1>cannot backtrack and re enter the door behind us. Already

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<v Speaker 1>are we getting sucked forward into the hallway. But there

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<v Speaker 1>are many doors ahead of us, and we get to

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<v Speaker 1>choose which one to open. At this point, we have

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<v Speaker 1>passed some of the prettier doors, but don't be tricked

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<v Speaker 1>into thinking that there are none left. We must not

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<v Speaker 1>focus on preserving an old way of life, but instead

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<v Speaker 1>need to carefully carve out our new reality. We need

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<v Speaker 1>to pick our new door. Well, that is my essay.

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<v Speaker 1>Read Thing episode amalgamation about hyper objects, liminal spaces and

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<v Speaker 1>our new reality. I hope you found some of the

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<v Speaker 1>ideas useful um despite their kind of abstract and anti

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<v Speaker 1>abstract nature. If you want to learn more about this,

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<v Speaker 1>I would recommend reading Timothy Morton's book hyper objects Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an academic read, but it's not that bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I would I would recommend picking up if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to learn more about these things. I'm sure I'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about them more in the future. Thank you for listening. Everybody,

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