1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Making the American Farm Strong Again. 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts. 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: Now President Trump at Arlington National Cemetery on Veterans Day, 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: and we have a couple of cuts from what he 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: had to say there, and if we could play those now, 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: that would be fantastic. 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: Everything we have, everything our country has achieved, has been 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 3: purchased by the muscle, spine, and steel of the United 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 3: States Military. We owed all to the fierce and noble 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: men and women of the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: Space Force, Coast Guard, and the United States Marines. Is 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: a guy, our service members. Our own words are the 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: greatest possible tribute to their immortal valor. 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: Trump also Buck talked about the decision to switch back 16 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: to the Department of War, and here is what he 17 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: had to say about the necessity for that. 18 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: From now on, we're going to be celebrating Victory Day, 19 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 3: the World War One, the World War II, and frankly 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: for everything else. Under the Trump administration, we're restoring the 21 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 3: pride and the winning spirit of the United States Military. 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: That's why we have officially renamed the Department of Defense 23 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: back to the original name, Department of War. And remember, 24 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: we won World War One, we won World War Two, 25 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 3: we won everything in between, We won everything that came before, 26 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: and then we brilliantly decided to change the name of 27 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: this great thing that we all created together, and we 28 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: became politically correct. We don't like being politically correct, so 29 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: we're not going to be politically correct anymore from now on. 30 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: When we fight a war, we only fight for one reason, 31 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: to win. 32 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: We fight to win. Okay. 33 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: So that's President Trump Arlington National Cemetery, I will say, 34 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: and I don't think this has gotten enough attention, and 35 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: certainly it should because it's a very positive story here 36 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: as we celebrate Veterans Day. 37 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 4: Buck. 38 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: The overall enlistment numbers for our military has skyrocketed since 39 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: Pete hag Seth has gotten in there, since President Trump 40 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: has taken over, and since they've gone back to the 41 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: idea of warriors, and we want the people in the 42 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: military to be in shape, and we want them to 43 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: be badasses, and we want them to be a lethal 44 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: fighting force. It turns out that that's actually a much 45 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: better pitch to young men and young women than Hey, 46 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: we want to be diverse, and inclusive, and we want 47 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: to make sure that you can have your trans surgeries 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: while you're also in military. Young people want to be better, sharper, 49 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: tougher versions of themselves, and that's certainly coming through, I 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: think in the renewed vigor of our enlistment numbers. 51 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, Spree de corps is a critical aspect of having 52 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 4: an effective military, of military cohesion. You have to have 53 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 4: belief in what it is that you are doing, because 54 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: otherwise it almost seems like an inherently irrational thing to 55 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: sign up for a job where you're saying I might 56 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 4: die doing this job. You have to believe and you 57 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 4: have to love something to be willing to do that. 58 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 4: And as we're talking about, of course Veterans Day, that 59 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 4: is what all of our veterans are willing to do. 60 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 4: That is why they sign up. And yet on the 61 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 4: bureaucrat political side of things, they have started to chip 62 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 4: away at that, they have started to make it seem 63 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 4: like there are there's a social justice experiment that is 64 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 4: the primary goal of our military, or the military is 65 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 4: a jobs program, but not really for fighting or for combat. 66 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 4: It's for some other purpose. Right, I'll never forget this 67 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 4: isn't about the military. But the the idiot former CIA 68 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 4: director Brennan, who's in all kinds of trouble with Trump 69 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 4: and and the DOJ and everything else, he said something like, 70 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 4: CIA doesn't steal secrets. Do you remember this? He actually 71 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 4: said that he was a CIA director. He's like, a 72 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 4: CIA doesn't steal secrets. And for a lot of us 73 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 4: who sat there and said, no, that is that is 74 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 4: the fundamental. 75 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: That's like saying the part of the entire of the 76 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: entire right. 77 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 4: That is like saying the fire department does not put 78 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 4: out fires. Like this is the most straightforward thing that 79 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 4: you can possibly have. And and so I think what 80 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: they're doing with the military, what they're doing and how 81 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 4: they're trying to get a a vision of the future 82 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 4: going here makes a lot of sense. And everybody that 83 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 4: I know who has been in a combat role or 84 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 4: in direct support to a combat role, that I've talked 85 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 4: to about this, and I know this is personal, it's anecdotal, 86 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 4: they like the direction of this Pentagon now, they like 87 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 4: what's going on. 88 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: I'll also point this out and we've got Rutherford Dakota 89 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: Meyer onto and i'd encourage you to go subscribe to 90 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: the podcast and make sure that you're not missing any 91 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: of the Clay and Buck podcast network, including Badass David Rutherford. 92 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: One of the things since I've started doing the show, 93 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: I've gotten to meet Buck a lot more Seals, a 94 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: lot more Special Forces guys. I'm astounded by how humble 95 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: they all are and meaning they don't carry themselves as 96 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: if at any point in time they could kill you. 97 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: They clearly could, but you wouldn't know that these guys 98 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: are the badasses of badass dumb just by walking into 99 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: a bar. They're not the guy that are getting the 100 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: most attention for looking like tough guys at the bar, 101 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: and they clearly are. It reminds me Buck. I remember 102 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: seeing a guy back when I was younger, when the 103 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: Nashville Predators were in town. Why of the hockey guys 104 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: are not that big, you know, but they fight for 105 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: a living. And I remember one time seeing a Predator, 106 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: Nashville Predator player NHL player bump into a guy at 107 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: the bar, and the guy at the bar didn't realize 108 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: that he was like bumping into an enforcer because he's 109 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: like five eight five nine, and it didn't go well 110 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: for the guy at the bar. You know of all 111 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: the people that you could bump into. A guy who 112 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: fights on ice skates for a living, you definitely don't 113 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: know who you're bumping into at the bar. A lot 114 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: of times you bump into a seal you're in trouble, 115 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: and you don't even see it coming, you know. 116 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 4: There's the quote also on the Department of War issue 117 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 4: attributed to Napoleon that in war, morale is to the 118 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 4: physical as three to one, meaning the morale of your force. Yeah, 119 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 4: is essential. Morale is not just again, because this goes 120 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 4: to your willingness to put yourself in jeopardy of possibly dying. Yes, 121 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 4: which is the essence. Unfortunately it's a human reality. The 122 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 4: essence of warfare is you are willing to put yourself 123 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 4: in situations where you can die, and morale and belief 124 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 4: and a sense of greater purpose has to be there 125 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 4: for that, and also your willingness to withstand misery even 126 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 4: when death isn't necessarily at its forefront. 127 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you go back and you read American history, 128 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: which I love to do. 129 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 4: I'll be honest. 130 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: We were kind of jokingly talked about how you and 131 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to camp outside. You go read which 132 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: I've been doing recently. The great book that's out I 133 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: think from Rick Atkinson as the author. He's working through 134 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: a trilogy of the Revolutionary War. I was reading recently 135 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: about the Valley Forge experience. You go back and you 136 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: read about what Civil warship soldiers did in camp, what 137 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: they put up with. You go back and read about 138 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: what happened during the during the Battle of the Bulge 139 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: and all of the chaos surrounding the winter that happened 140 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: in World War Two, what people went through even when 141 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: they weren't necessarily directly facing death, and many of the 142 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: times they were. 143 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: But I'm talking. 144 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: About just being constantly cold, being constantly miserable. I don't 145 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: think the average American even comprehends it. And don't even 146 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: get me started on the decision that people made back 147 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: in the day when they were in Ireland and they 148 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: were in England, and they were all over Europe and 149 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: they said, hey, you know what, I'm going to get 150 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: on this boat for the next six weeks, which might 151 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: or might not ever make it to land again. And 152 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: you're the disease and the and the what people put 153 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: themselves through in this country. I don't think we it 154 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: and think about it enough, and I think to your point, 155 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: the morale associated with what that requires, the spirit, the 156 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: belief in something greater, is transformative when you study American 157 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: history in that way. 158 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 4: Yes, but the ability of our military to have been 159 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 4: as successful as it has been is tied directly to 160 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 4: the belief that the people who have taken up arms 161 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 4: overwhelming the men who have taken up arms for this 162 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 4: country feel in the American experiment and this country right. 163 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: So that I think is something that the left undermines. 164 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: I think the Democrats in many of their policies lost 165 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 4: focus on and that is being restored now. But to 166 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 4: your point, I remember one thing that I still say 167 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 4: this people and they don't believe. Isn't a two out 168 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 4: of three casualties in the Civil War from disease? 169 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 5: Right? 170 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 171 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 4: Two out of three deaths in Civil War from disease. 172 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 4: So another part of this is we often think of 173 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: the sacrifice, because you mentioned willingness to go through nonsense. 174 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 4: We think of the sacrifices of people who are charging 175 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 4: the machine gun nests, yes, or or you know, running 176 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 4: across no man's land in the First World War, or 177 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 4: you know storm storming the hill at Gettysburg, right, whatever 178 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 4: it may be. But then there's also the contracting typhus 179 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 4: in camp because you're not with your family and you're 180 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 4: part of a military military effort, and that's a very 181 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 4: real You know, there are sacrifices, including the sacrifice of 182 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 4: one life that come along, that can come along with 183 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 4: military service that aren't in that clash of combat that 184 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 4: we think of. 185 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. And to your point, especially because so 186 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: many people who were Civil War soldiers had never been 187 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: living necessarily in close proximity. This was actually one of 188 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: the benefits that some Northern troops had was they were 189 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: in city environments and so they had had viruses and 190 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: and and all of that run through their their families already. 191 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: But a lot of people were living in rural places 192 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: at the time, so you were rarely other than church 193 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: maybe some rudimentary schooling, you were rarely surrounded by people. 194 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: And so yeah, in the winter camp, you can imagine 195 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: how the viruses just ran roughshod through the entire camps 196 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: and how many people died completely as a result, and 197 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: some people froze to death. I mean again, I just 198 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: think what veterans went through. We don't spend enough time 199 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: contemplating throughout all of human history and the sacrifices that 200 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: they've all made, even if they weren't necessarily under fire 201 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: every day in the midst of the Battle of Gettysburg. 202 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: Just living in those camps during the winter would have 203 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: been brutal on a level that most of us can't 204 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: even comprehend this day. Go read about Valley Forge. I mean, 205 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: just read about it from the comfort of your warm, 206 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: warmly comfortable living conditions, and just think about how brutal 207 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: it would have been. 208 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 4: What's the best? Do you have a favorite historical you know, 209 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 4: historical war novel? 210 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Killer Angels by Michael Scherer I think is 211 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: really good. You know, he goes into I'm sure some 212 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: of you have read it, but it's about the Battle 213 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: of Gettysburg, and he goes into the minds of each 214 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: of the characters. And then his son Jeff later wrote 215 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: books that built around that. But that's probably my favorite 216 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 1: historical work of fiction. What about you back in the day, 217 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: anything that you loved? 218 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Gates of Fire Stephen Pressfield about Thermopylae, Spartans 219 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 4: and the I. 220 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: Don't know anything. I'm writing that down because I've never 221 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: even heard of that book. 222 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it is so good. It is one 223 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 4: of my favorite just novel fun reads of all times. Yeah, 224 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 4: Gates of Fire, Stephen Pressfield. If you like the movie 225 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 4: three hundred, you will love this book. 226 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to go in and order it during the 227 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: break because I'm sold. I recognized when I got to 228 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: go to Italy a couple of years ago that I 229 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: had a absence of knowledge about Greek and Roman history 230 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: that I wish I didn't, and I've been trying to 231 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: read more about that era and familiarize myself with it better. 232 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: And so that's one of my in addition to American history, 233 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: which I think I have a pretty good grasp of, 234 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: that's one of the areas of history that I think 235 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: I can get better at. So I have been focused 236 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: on it. 237 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. 238 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 4: We're very pleased to be joined by our friend David Rutherford. 239 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 4: He's a former Navy seal served a combat tour in Afghanistan. 240 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 4: He's also the host of the Dave Rutherford Show on 241 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 4: the Clay Buck podcast Network, which is growing growing every month. 242 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 4: It is a fantastic program. Recommend you all go check 243 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 4: it out. Dave, we call you Rut, So for anyone's confused, 244 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: mister Rutt, tell us, first off, your thoughts on this 245 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 4: Veterans Day, speaking for yourself and your fellow veterans out there, 246 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 4: what's your top level view? How's it going, Buck. 247 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 6: Clay, Thanks for having me on again. I think for 248 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 6: veterans right now, there's a rebirth, there's a revival taking place. 249 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 6: And what Pete is doing. I mean, every time I 250 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 6: see Joe Kent post something, I want to go get 251 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 6: my kid on and you know, sign back up. And 252 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 6: I just think right now there's a revitalization and the 253 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 6: numbers are showing that people are wanting to go in, 254 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 6: they're wanting to serve. They believe that the President is 255 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 6: fired up to, you know, make the American military the 256 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 6: mightiest force in the world again. And I think it's 257 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 6: it's a real positive moment for everyone. 258 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: When you see those enlistment numbers. And Pete Hegseth came 259 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: out at the Patriot Awards and he was talking about 260 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: them on Thursday night, and I know that on this 261 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: Veteran's Day, they're shining a bright light on it. Isn't 262 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: that the best actual indication of how the Secretary of 263 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: War as we now have it renamed, but the Secretary 264 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: of Defense for the last thirty or forty years, isn't 265 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,359 Speaker 1: that the ultimate judgment on him and on the trajectory 266 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: of the military. Do people want to join or not? 267 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean absolutely it is. I mean how you 268 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 6: went to that, I mean I love that. There was 269 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 6: this incredible gala, right you saw the Marine Corps balls, 270 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 6: you saw Vice President Events speak at Evans speak at one. 271 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 6: You know, the E five mafia represented at the highest levels. Yeah, 272 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 6: people are stoked and the numbers reflect that. You know, 273 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 6: I think it's it's you know, the other the other 274 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 6: great challenge is because we're not in a very substantial 275 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 6: kinetic environment right now, that it's difficult to tell, you know, 276 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 6: whether it'll last, because that's the real testament. Do people 277 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 6: stay in over when there's high levels of combat? But 278 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 6: right now, I think young people, young American twenty four 279 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 6: year old men are revitalized with this idea that I 280 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 6: can go and serve in the military that my uncle, 281 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 6: that my father, that my grandfather, that my great grandfather 282 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 6: served in and I'm going to get that genuine sense 283 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 6: of real patriotism and service. 284 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 4: Dave, take us back, if you would, to your decision 285 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 4: to join up. Just what it was like going through, 286 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 4: what was going through your head, what your feelings were 287 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 4: about at the motivations, your sense of what it would 288 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: mean to be in the Navy, and of course to 289 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 4: join the teams become a Navy seal. Like, just take 290 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 4: us back to that moment, because I think for a 291 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 4: lot of people who today maybe are con ittering once again. 292 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 4: You know, we have younger audience members who are listening 293 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 4: who might be thinking about it. We have college age 294 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 4: people listening who might be considering it. What was your 295 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 4: mindset like when you first decided I'm gonna throw my 296 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 4: hat in the ring. 297 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 6: That's a great question, Bock. You know, for me, I 298 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 6: was I was struggling to try and figure out what 299 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 6: I wanted to do with my life. I you know, 300 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,239 Speaker 6: my athletic career hadn't worked out the way I had 301 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 6: hoped at college level, and I was just in this 302 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 6: position where it's like, what is the meaning of my 303 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 6: life going to represent? And you know, my great great 304 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 6: uncle was in Rose Theodore Roosevelt's cabinet, you know, I 305 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 6: had you know, it's been several generations since anybody had served. 306 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 6: But you know, I that legacy and link I think 307 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 6: was a driving force as well as just my you know, 308 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 6: I was a gen x er. I was influenced by 309 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 6: Rambo and Commando and all the incredible movies that you know, 310 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 6: showed American military might and power at highest levels popped 311 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 6: on Navy seals, and that consumed me. I was like, 312 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 6: this is this is the thing that's going to put 313 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 6: me on my way, help me figure out what I'm 314 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 6: made of, if I'm if I can represent something bigger 315 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 6: than myself and and something that will give me purpose 316 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 6: and meaning to figure out the longer term idea of 317 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 6: what I might ultimately become. So yeah, it was a 318 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 6: powerful influence over me to go try and become a 319 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 6: part of you know, not only the d O D, 320 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 6: but the Navy and the seal teams and down all 321 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 6: the way to the guys that were next to me 322 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 6: that I served with. 323 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: We're talking to David Rutherford. Encourage you to go subscribe 324 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: to his podcast. It's a part of the Clay and 325 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: Buck podcast network. It's Veterans Day. You are a Navy 326 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: seal and I don't know if we've ever asked you 327 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: this question, but when you were going through the process 328 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: of becoming a Navy seal, what was the toughest thing 329 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: to you about the Navy seal process itself? It was 330 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: there a moment where you thought, I cannot push myself 331 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: any further. And we've got a lot of people out there, 332 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: a lot of young guys that listen to us and 333 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: maybe aspire to be a Navy seal one day. What 334 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: would you say they should know? What would you say 335 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: they should do? 336 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing is to recognize that there's 337 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 6: you have so much more in your reservoir of willpower 338 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 6: than you can even imagine. You know, in these programs, 339 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 6: whether it's buds or it's selection or the Q course 340 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 6: or Mars Socks or whatever amazing selection process from all 341 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 6: the different soft units, like you have to realize you 342 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 6: have what it takes. It's just a question of believing 343 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 6: in yourself. And then for me, the biggest thing is 344 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 6: I didn't want to let the guys down next to me. 345 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 6: That was the biggest motivator. Like, I'm gonna be honest, 346 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 6: I thought about, you know, quitting all the time. 347 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 5: I mean the. 348 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 6: Pain of just going through it being wet, being sandy, 349 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 6: being miserable, having people scream at you, the whole thing. 350 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 6: But what it does for me is it just motivated 351 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 6: me to be better for the guys next to me, 352 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 6: and then they became the ultimate motivation. So, you know, 353 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 6: I think when you're thinking about what it is first 354 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 6: and foremost the number one thing. And I just had 355 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 6: a call with a young man the other day who's 356 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 6: in college and you know, really thinking about it, and 357 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 6: the thing I say to most is, do the deep 358 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 6: guy understand what you're committing to understand? You know. Bongino 359 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 6: Stan put a great text out or tweet out today 360 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 6: where he said, you know, the ultimate thing is service, 361 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 6: serving the men and women that are next to you 362 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 6: in the line of fire, and and that is the 363 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 6: thing that is the driving force ultimately. I you know, 364 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 6: I know guys that have eight hundred combat missions. I 365 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 6: know a couple of guys that five hundred, four hundred. 366 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 6: You know, multiple silver stars, five Bronze stars with valors. 367 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 6: These are the ultimate heroes and you ask them why 368 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 6: did you serve? Why did you fight as hard as 369 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 6: you did? And the ultimate thing always comes down because 370 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 6: of the man that was next to me, and so 371 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 6: you know that's the driving force. If you want to 372 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 6: participate with the with the very highest caliber of committed 373 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 6: human beings to you and your success, then these programs 374 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 6: are right for you. 375 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 4: Dave, I wanted you to also weigh in on how 376 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 4: are we doing? You know, there was this whole period 377 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 4: during the gat era where a lot of people who 378 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 4: served and a lot of people who saw combat were 379 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 4: being brought back in and going through the transition back 380 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 4: into civilian life. That is less of a focus now 381 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 4: in the general public discussion that it was, because you 382 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 4: point out we're not really an active combat zones the 383 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 4: way we were before. How are we doing and taking 384 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 4: care of our veterans though, because whether it's we have 385 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 4: tunnel to towers for example, a great sponsor here on 386 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 4: the program, you know, there are some veterans who have 387 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 4: long term needs who still need that assistance from whether 388 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 4: it's psychological or physical wounds. You know, is the VA 389 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 4: getting the attention it needs under this administration? You know, 390 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 4: I'm wondering how we're doing on that front. 391 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 6: I still believe there is in a measurable amount of 392 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 6: work to be done. Yeah, I see the director of 393 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 6: the VA going on all the shows and he's saying 394 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 6: the right things, and but there are still you know, thousands, 395 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 6: tens of thousands of people in the soft community alone 396 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 6: that took the braunt of those g rot operational tempo, 397 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 6: you know, and it's not just the combat deployment since 398 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 6: the endless training cycles right then, also have a really 399 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 6: profound effect. And that's why for me, I really kind 400 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 6: of linked myself to doctor Chris Free and the framework 401 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 6: of operator syndrome. You know, I started a little nonprofit 402 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 6: to really try I'd figure out how to address the 403 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 6: seventeen different medical and behavioral health challenges that long term 404 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 6: exposure to high training tempos and high deployment cycles has 405 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 6: an impact on people. You know, you can't send a guy, 406 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 6: you know, doing fourteen fifteen deployments and not expected to 407 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 6: be some long term damage. And that's why, you know, 408 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 6: there was actually just a new study from a Stanford 409 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 6: doctor that did a case study with two hundred special 410 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 6: operations guys that and he used the operator syndrome framework, 411 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 6: and that study validated the original paper and book written 412 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 6: by doctor Chris Free that this is a reality, right 413 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 6: that long term exposure causes metabolic destabilization. It causes behavioral 414 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 6: health challenges in different ways. Yes, TTSD, but also survivors guilt, 415 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 6: extensive existential challenges, intimacy issues. Right then you have neurogenic 416 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 6: issues from blast wave exposure, you know, endokrim dysfunction, and 417 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 6: then the orthopedic injuries, the perpetual living and pain, and 418 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 6: so you know, I think there's still a lot of 419 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 6: work to be done. There's a lot of work to 420 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 6: be done at the administrative level to at least bring 421 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 6: in this Stanford doc and doctor Free. I would love 422 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 6: to see them be able to testify on Capitol Hill 423 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 6: and tell the people that are in charge of the 424 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 6: funding to harve out a little bit of funding to 425 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 6: do research on operator synteme. I mean, we've seen the 426 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 6: most most substantial thing I think we've seen on the 427 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 6: has been on the state level. You saw former Governor 428 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 6: Perry work with the lawyer Hubbard was his name, and 429 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 6: they got fifty million dollars in funding to do research 430 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 6: on I've a gain in five m O d MT, 431 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 6: which is the VETS program initiative that really helps guys 432 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 6: one get sober, come off prescription drugs, and then the 433 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 6: other to re establish neuroelasticity and establish new brain patterning 434 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 6: that can help facilitate putting some of those demons to rest. 435 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 6: So there's a lot of work to be done, a 436 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 6: lot of guys still struggling. And what I would really 437 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 6: love is that for the next kinetic war that could 438 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 6: take place, which right now could be anywhere, I hope 439 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 6: that we have a better plan in place to take 440 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 6: care of them as opposed to what the GAT guys, 441 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 6: the Vietnam guys, the Korean and then also World War 442 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 6: two guys did not receive. 443 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 4: David Rutherford, thank you for your service, our friend. We 444 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 4: appreciate you, appreciate what you did for the country, and 445 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 4: also would recommend all of you listening go check out 446 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 4: the David Rutherford Show on the Clay and Buck podcast Network. 447 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 4: RUT always appreciate you man, Thank you for giving us 448 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 4: your time today. 449 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 6: God bless you guys. Thank you Buck for your service 450 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 6: to Buddy. Take care much. 451 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 4: Thank you, Ma, man you too. 452 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers. 453 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 4: Making the American Farm Strong Again. 454 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. 455 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: We are joined now by Dakota Meyer Medal of Honor recipient. 456 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: And we're gonna get into a bunch of different stories, 457 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: but we appreciate you making the time and appreciate all 458 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: your service. I thought we would just start. I know 459 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: you've got the Medal of Honor. I haven't heard you 460 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: tell a story about how that Medal of Honor came 461 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: to be. I believe it was in Afghanistan about a 462 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: little bit less than twenty years ago. Can you share 463 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: with us the story of what happened that led to 464 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: you becoming a Medal of Honor recipient? 465 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, thank you so much for having me. 466 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 5: It's an honored No. I was in Afghanistan. I was 467 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 5: part of an embedded training team in two thousand and nine. 468 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 5: And basically we have his four US Nadi Afghans on 469 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 5: a base and our job was to mentor to train 470 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 5: to and to kind of, you know, teach them our 471 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 5: tactics and things like that. And uh and so we 472 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 5: we gone in. We're gonna run this mission into a 473 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 5: place called the Ganggol Valley. There's gonna be a big mission, 474 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 5: a bunch of teams coming together. I was on a 475 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 5: team with Lieutenant Johnson, Gunny Kennefick and Doc Layton and 476 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 5: then so we've gone in this this we go down 477 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 5: this valley, we meet up, we get our mission brief, 478 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 5: and then the next morning we we go and start, 479 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 5: you know, to perform this patrol. And I was left 480 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 5: with the vehicles and I was replaced with a guy 481 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 5: named Gunny Starn Johnson. And so, as you know, they 482 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 5: they entered the village. It's it's the typical story of 483 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 5: that we'd been set up and so, uh, they've been 484 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 5: set up and gunfights started and my team ended up 485 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 5: getting cut off by the enemy and separated from the 486 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 5: rest of the group. And so after hearing the you 487 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 5: know over the radio how dire the situation was, myself 488 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 5: and a driver knew we had to do something. So 489 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 5: we took the gun truck that we were in and 490 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 5: we made multiple trips in the valley trying to get 491 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 5: the team out, and then you know, after five or 492 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 5: six hours, we ended up we lost contact with them, 493 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 5: and then finally located them and they'd all been killed. 494 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 2: Wow. 495 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 4: And then please continue on so that at that point, 496 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 4: what did you what did you do? 497 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 5: Dakota Push recovered the bodies and brought them back out, 498 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 5: you know, fought our way back out and then uh yeah, 499 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 5: I stayed there for another few months and then came 500 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 5: home after that. 501 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 4: That's an extraordinary story. I'm wondering, Dakota. There's a few 502 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 4: things we wanted to talk to you about today, including 503 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 4: how we're caring for and how we're keeping the sacred 504 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 4: promise to our veterans after their service. Veterans like yourself 505 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 4: and the millions of others who serve, particularly in the 506 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 4: in the g Watt era of Irock and Afghanistan who 507 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 4: have come out. But were you what was your thought 508 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 4: when the Biden administration had the pullout from Afghanistan, a 509 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 4: place where you saw considerable combat and the folding of 510 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 4: the Afghan Army because you were effectively involved in training 511 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 4: Afghan units right at one point. Were you surprised at 512 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 4: how it all ended in Afghanistan or was that along 513 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 4: with what your expectations were? 514 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, we should have pulled out of Afghanistan. 515 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, we should have pulled Afghanistan a 516 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 5: long time ago, you know. I mean, the only thing 517 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 5: I'll say about the plo out of Afghanistan is thank 518 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 5: God that somebody did it. Outside of that, you know, 519 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 5: I definitely we all can have some opinions on how 520 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 5: it went down and things like that, but I mean, look, 521 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 5: I mean, how how much longer it looked At the 522 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 5: end of the day. What I am so thankful for 523 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 5: is that not another service member is dying in that 524 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 5: country right now. You know, we've got to change up 525 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 5: the way that we fight wars. I mean, We've got 526 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 5: like that's that's the real problem to this whole thing. 527 00:29:59,120 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 6: Uh. 528 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 5: You know, I don't know. I don't know what would 529 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 5: have been a great way to pull out of Afghanistan. 530 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 5: But I'm just thankful that we did. 531 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 4: But I'm all. I was also particularly curose to code 532 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 4: about your assessment. 533 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: No. 534 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 4: I was in country with the CIA in god No. 535 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 4: Two thousand and nine or twenty ten, sorry twenty ten, uh, 536 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 4: and I was looking at all the assessments that the 537 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 4: four star was getting, and it looked bleak in twenty 538 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 4: ten to your point about pulling out sooner, when the 539 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 4: Afghans that we had trained a mentor for so long 540 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 4: just didn't fight, I mean, they just there was no 541 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 4: fight against the Taliban. Was that along with your expectations 542 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 4: or was that a surprise? 543 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 5: I mean, I mean absolutely, But this is like this 544 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 5: is more My frustration part is with you know, everybody 545 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 5: advocating for Look. I brought my interpreter over, and I 546 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 5: think that anybody we made a promise to we should 547 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 5: one hundred percent, you know, fulfill that promise. But here's 548 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 5: here's where my stance is on this thing. Look, bring 549 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 5: any of the women and children over. But if you 550 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 5: are military age male, you don't get to come to 551 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 5: the United States because you don't get to live off 552 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 5: the freedom on the backs of our service members. You 553 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 5: need to fight for your own. Coming here is not 554 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 5: going to be what's going to fix your country. We 555 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 5: need people that are going to fight for what's right. 556 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 5: We stood over there and our people were dying for 557 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 5: twenty some years to try to help them build up 558 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 5: their country, to help build up an infrastructure, and you know, 559 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 5: what are we going to do? Right? I mean, what 560 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 5: are we going to do? Yeah? 561 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you one more thing, Dakota before 562 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 4: we transition actually into something else. The fight for gender 563 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 4: rights that I know that you are, or rather just 564 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 4: for gender which Clay and I definitely want to talk 565 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 4: to you about because that's something we talk about a 566 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 4: lot here on the show. But as it is Veterans Day. 567 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 4: How are we doing in your mind of honoring, supporting, 568 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 4: and keeping the promise of the American people to our 569 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 4: veterans given the wars that we've been fighting in the 570 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 4: operational tempo that many of the scene. 571 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that first off, I don't 572 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 5: know that there's a country on the face of the 573 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 5: planet that loves their veterans or takes care of their 574 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 5: veterans better than the United States of America. You know, Look, 575 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 5: the Vietnam generation made sure that our generation would never 576 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 5: deal with that that again, right, They fought so hard 577 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 5: to make sure that that that wasn't going to happen 578 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 5: over again. You know, I think I think obviously there's 579 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 5: more to do. I think that we can always do more, 580 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 5: we could do better. But I'll tell you what I 581 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 5: don't I don't think is I don't think it's not 582 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 5: from the lack of trying or effort. I just think 583 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 5: that that we've got to evolve the way that we're 584 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 5: doing things right. I think that we've got to evolve 585 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 5: as services. You know, we've got to make things current 586 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 5: as to what the needs of today's veterans are and 587 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 5: not what they were ten years ago, you know what 588 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 5: I mean, Like, I think that's kind of where we're 589 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 5: at right now. I do think that there's tons of 590 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 5: things out there, but I think we could always do better, 591 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 5: for sure. 592 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: Da Cooda, I know again, thanks for your service. I 593 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: know you're doing work with our friend Jennifer c. Jennifer Say, 594 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: who has a great company xxx y, and you're motivated 595 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: because you have a couple of daughters. I know the 596 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: Olympic Committee right now is saying, hey, we're going to 597 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: adjust gender policy. Would you have ever believe growing up 598 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: that we'd be in a position where you would have 599 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: to say, hey, men can't compete in women's sports, and 600 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: that that would be considered in any way a controversial 601 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: opinion to have. 602 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 5: No, it's crazy. I mean it's absolutely insane. I think 603 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 5: I think what made me really realize how insane it 604 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 5: had gotten was whenever President Trump got you know, he 605 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 5: got sworn in, and his first executive order was that 606 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 5: there's only two genders. I mean it's crazy. Yeah, it is, right, 607 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,479 Speaker 5: I mean, like it's it's crazy because we all know it, 608 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 5: and even the people who are trying to pretend that 609 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 5: it's not we all know it. We all know it, 610 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 5: and no, it's absolutely insane. But I'll tell you, and 611 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 5: obviously you were in Afghanistan. You know, name a country 612 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 5: that's thriving or that's doing good that doesn't respect its women. 613 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I've said Dakota's. It's actually interesting in 614 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: that way. You can look at Women's World Cup soccer 615 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: matches and you can almost pick the winner just by 616 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: determining which country has more rights for women. And I 617 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: wish that our soccer team had been more aggressive in 618 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: making that case because I mean, it's not going to 619 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: shock you, but if you can't wear shorts, you're probably 620 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: going to have difficulty being one of the best women's 621 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,959 Speaker 1: soccer players of all time. I would just toss out there, 622 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: and sadly that's the case in a bunch of countries. 623 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 4: It's tough to play soccer and a burker for sure, 624 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 4: Yeah for sure. 625 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,959 Speaker 5: Yeah I've never tried, but yeah, it definitely looks tough. 626 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 6: You know. 627 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 5: But but I just think, you know, but I do 628 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 5: want to like put the blame where the blame goes, right, 629 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 5: So the blame is absolutely men, right, we have weak men. 630 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 5: Every problem we have in this country is because of 631 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 5: weak men, period hard stop. Every problem we have is 632 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 5: because of weak men. And until we start policing our own, 633 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 5: until we stop and we start fighting this idea of 634 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 5: toxic masculinity. Masculinity is desperately needed right now. Not toxic, 635 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 5: but masculinity is for sure. And look, there's no bigger 636 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 5: feminists on the face of the planet than a father 637 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 5: of daughters, Like I want my daughters to be able 638 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 5: to have any experience they want to be as equal. 639 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 5: They have equal rights to any other human being on 640 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 5: the face of the planet. But what I don't want 641 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 5: them to be is I don't want them to be 642 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 5: equally valued as men. They should be held up at 643 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 5: a higher value because they are sacred. They are sacred. 644 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 5: Women are sacred. That's the reason they carry kids, the 645 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 5: reason they reproduce, right like, they are sacred and very, 646 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 5: very valuable, and we must protect that. 647 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 4: These individuals who are making this argument that I don't 648 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 4: know how many of these you've seen, for example, Dakota, 649 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 4: but you even had esteemed scientists Clay what was his name, 650 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 4: Neil the Grass Tyson, Neil the Grass Tyson, thank you, 651 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 4: who went on Bill Maher show. And when Bill Maher 652 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 4: looked at him and said, we all know that men 653 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 4: have a biological, a physical advantage in size, strength, speed 654 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 4: over women. Right, this scientist, this man of science, said well, 655 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 4: I do not know that. What what is that? How 656 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 4: does that happen in society? 657 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 5: Well, I mean you have to think about this. Everything 658 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 5: has been weaponized, right, Like, it's not about facts. Everything 659 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 5: has become when when you take and this is this 660 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 5: is where it starts to come in. You know, have 661 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 5: you heard this concept where people think, well, everything's gray. No, 662 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 5: it's not, because you know what happens in the gray 663 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 5: There is nothing everything is. Everything is subjective, it's not objective. 664 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 5: There's no right and wrong, there's no accountability, there's no 665 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 5: win or loss. I mean, and that's what's happened. Is 666 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 5: is is you know how you change the truth one 667 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 5: word at a time, one word at a time. And 668 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 5: that's what they're doing. And in this gray area is 669 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 5: where depression, where anxiety lives. And you know how you 670 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 5: get gray. Let's go back to art class. You take 671 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 5: black and white and you mix it together until there's 672 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 5: no definitive color between the two, and you get gray. 673 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 5: Everything in the world is black and white. Everything that's 674 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 5: the only way you get better. It's the only way 675 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 5: that there is there is empowerment is when there is 676 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 5: right and wrong, good and evil like, and that is 677 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 5: the way. That's the only way to get through things 678 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 5: like that's the only way to become better people. That's 679 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 5: the only way for a civilization to still thrive, for 680 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 5: societies to exist is if there are those lines so 681 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 5: that the parameters that people can live in. Right, And 682 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 5: so you know, these people that don't want to do this, 683 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 5: and that's what they're doing is now they have gone 684 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 5: at and they're going at everything. I mean, it's going 685 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 5: at at everything that we have. The is no, I mean, 686 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 5: they started in sports, right, And you know what the 687 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 5: worst part of it is, the worst part of it 688 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 5: is this is that how many women name name the 689 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 5: women that have called came to men's sports and that 690 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 5: are that are that are trying to take titles for men? 691 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't exist, of course, Yeah. 692 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, because it's weak men who can't compete against men, 693 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 5: that are going over to women and getting in their 694 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 5: sports and competing against women. We is absolutely insane and 695 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 5: the sheer fact. And so when you go back to 696 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 5: the original question you ask me, I mean It's kind 697 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 5: of like our doctors, right, Like when the people who 698 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 5: are writing who are who are you know, selling the prescriptions, 699 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 5: are writing the the protocols for the doctors, well, guess 700 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 5: what you're guess what you're gonna have. You're not gonna 701 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 5: have doctors who are free thinking and who are making 702 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 5: medical treatments better and who are going out and trying 703 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 5: to make people better. They're going to have people who 704 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 5: are just managing managing the you know, the protocols. You 705 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 5: don't have doctors. You have people managing the protocols scientists, 706 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 5: like everything is agenda, it's all subjective, and so yeah, 707 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 5: I mean, look, this guy is standing back because he 708 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 5: doesn't want to take a stance because at any point 709 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 5: in time that he takes a stance or makes a 710 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 5: statement of something of what something is or what something isn't, 711 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 5: then he has to be prepared to defend it. And 712 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 5: we don't have people who are willing to stand up 713 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 5: and defend things like that. 714 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: Well said, thank you for your service, Dakota, thank you 715 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: for continuing to speak out for truth, honesty, and frankly, 716 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: basic human sanity. Good luck with those girls, and I 717 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,439 Speaker 1: hope you have a good Veterans Day, sir 718 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, have a good day.