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Speaker 1: now your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, well, well,
Speaker 1: we welcome you back to the Draft Show. This would
Speaker 1: be the final one the two thousand and eighteen draft season.
Speaker 1: We'll come back at you one more time for open
Speaker 1: week October twenty. Yeah. I think we'll let Dane Brugler
Speaker 1: get to get working on this draft. This twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: draft mock drafts already done for drafteen. How about that.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It's the worst article I do every year. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Have a little fun with it.
Speaker 1: It's fine. Oh, it's stricted for clicks. Let's be honest,
Speaker 1: of course, it is that I learned this game. Aren't
Speaker 1: all mocks really for clicks at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: except for maybe the final one you put out on
Speaker 1: draft Day. I mean, I do enjoy doing some of
Speaker 1: the mocks because it is interesting to It's a thought process. Okay,
Speaker 1: this team could consider this guy. I've heard this team
Speaker 1: considers this guy twenty nineteen. It's more of a hey,
Speaker 1: this is a watch list thirty two names. Keep these
Speaker 1: guys on your radar on chair defensive line for next year.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you have all four of the Clemson guys going.
Speaker 1: I do not have Bryant the one end, but I
Speaker 1: think that he enters the year is like a second
Speaker 1: third at the chance to get into late one. Well
Speaker 1: that's the voice of our scouting buddy, Dane Brugler. Of course,
Speaker 1: David Helmet across the table from him. Ken Garrison Executive
Speaker 1: producing today. Yeah, we're gonna try and put a bow
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Speaker 1: and we appreciate all the fine work. And you blow
Speaker 1: a watch, right, Dave, you blow I'm below on the clock.
Speaker 1: Kelly only brought that up about twenty five percent as
Speaker 1: often as we were supposed. Yeah, my timing was that
Speaker 1: was not always very good, but the execution, the thought
Speaker 1: was good. You know what, folks, I want to make
Speaker 1: this show about you today if I could, and we'll
Speaker 1: get into it. You've kind of heard what we settled
Speaker 1: about a lot of these guys. I don't have the
Speaker 1: official list of the Cowboys who they signed after the draft.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that, hopefully during the show, but and
Speaker 1: we can get into those guys a little bit. I'll
Speaker 1: maybe at the end of the show, I'll pick I'll
Speaker 1: pick Dane Brugler's brain on a couple of guys. I know.
Speaker 1: David Wells was a guy tight end I saw, and
Speaker 1: then Cam Kelly was a couple of San Diego State kids,
Speaker 1: and then to Quinton Osborne as a kid I watch
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma State that I can kind of talk about
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I'll get the official list. We'll
Speaker 1: go through it. But I do want to make this
Speaker 1: show about you guys. If we could make sure you
Speaker 1: tweet us at the draft show, or make sure you
Speaker 1: hit David Hellman at his account Hellman d see and
Speaker 1: you know, if you have any questions. I also want
Speaker 1: to take some calls, you know. We that's something we
Speaker 1: really haven't done very much because we get in I
Speaker 1: run out of time and that's on me. And but
Speaker 1: if you guys have some you know, some questions for
Speaker 1: Dane or Dave or myself or you know, want to
Speaker 1: know some things, give us a shout. KNT. Garrison will
Speaker 1: be happy to take the call. We're at eight eight
Speaker 1: eight eight five five two two nine seven. You'll see
Speaker 1: it on the top. I believe right corner or a
Speaker 1: left corner, one of those corners. But that's where we
Speaker 1: uh and can't. I want to just give you free rain.
Speaker 1: If somebody calls in, you just fire them through and
Speaker 1: we'll get to it. But you want to start off
Speaker 1: of the call, right? Yeah? Why not? I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, we've we've talked about we've talked about
Speaker 1: this draft and you know, we'll get into it some more.
Speaker 1: But I want to give people a chance, this one
Speaker 1: last time to interact with us in this way. So again,
Speaker 1: go ahead and shoot me a call. Tell me where they're,
Speaker 1: who they are, and where they're from. And by the way, folks,
Speaker 1: everybody in this room is doing very very well. We
Speaker 1: appreciate you, always concerned, your concern thinking about us, But
Speaker 1: get your question, get going. We'll we'll get to many
Speaker 1: as these we can, So go ahead, can't all right?
Speaker 1: We got Joe in Pennsylvania. Joe, go ahead, it's up, Joe. Good. Good. Guys,
Speaker 1: Hey just wanted a comment, mainly to finish up. I
Speaker 1: just want to start out by thanking you, the three
Speaker 1: of you, for the outstanding job you've done over this season.
Speaker 1: You know, Brian, the wisdom and experience you bring from
Speaker 1: being in the trenches, the passion you have for it
Speaker 1: just add so much to the show and just undergirds
Speaker 1: everything that you guys do together as a team. Dane,
Speaker 1: your current mindset on today's scouting professionalism, the way you
Speaker 1: carry yourself, that you're that calm kind of logical approach
Speaker 1: is just you guys are just such a credit to
Speaker 1: us being able to watch me. I don't watch anybody
Speaker 1: else just because I trust you. Guys. You're not for flair.
Speaker 1: You're not trying to get you know, clicks, as far
Speaker 1: as you know, trying to trying to show boat things.
Speaker 1: You just are in the trench is doing what needs
Speaker 1: to be done. And Dave, the growth I've seen in
Speaker 1: you over the years, what you bring to that show,
Speaker 1: to bringing the team together. You bring the best out
Speaker 1: of Brian. You bring the best at a Dane and
Speaker 1: you make you make us feel like we're part of
Speaker 1: the show. So I just want to just tell you,
Speaker 1: guys how much I think I speak on behalf of
Speaker 1: the entire crowd, the entire group that watches you. We
Speaker 1: thank you so much for all you've put into this.
Speaker 1: And just a final comment, a lot of people Dallas
Speaker 1: fans are concerned about well some of the picks and
Speaker 1: that all I have to say is look at the
Speaker 1: track record over the years. This front office I think
Speaker 1: has earned our trust and I think just give it
Speaker 1: a chance to play out and I think will be
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised. Thank you very much. Appreciate the call. Bade Joe,
Speaker 1: which one of us, Well, I have a brother Joe
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. Maybe maybe that was I feel like a
Speaker 1: million bucks right now. Very kind of okay. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know he's right about the track record for these guys.
Speaker 1: They seem to find a way to do things drafting wise. There. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, as we go through this a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm with him on I left all
Speaker 1: my stats upstairs. What stats did you leave upstairs? The
Speaker 1: stuff you're looking at, like the draft breakdowns and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything I took the taste everything you gave me, everything
Speaker 1: I gave you the other night, and said, here, take this,
Speaker 1: you'll need it. What were you about to say? I
Speaker 1: was just kind of looking through the draft and I
Speaker 1: was wondering with what you guys saw, and you know,
Speaker 1: like the best pick. I'm not saying the best pick,
Speaker 1: worst pick or anything like that, but just as you
Speaker 1: went through the picks that they made, where did you
Speaker 1: find that the value was. And you know, we we've
Speaker 1: kind of heard some things now now that since the
Speaker 1: drafts over. You know that last day it wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to trade for more, It was trying to trade up
Speaker 1: for Armstrong. They obviously felt pretty pretty strong about him.
Speaker 1: You know, we've we've heard about you know, what was
Speaker 1: going on with you know, Michael gallup at potentially could
Speaker 1: have been not there if they would have made this,
Speaker 1: if Seattle would have taken the third round pick for
Speaker 1: you know, for the safety there. But kind of go
Speaker 1: through it in your mind and tell me where you
Speaker 1: felt like though, Uh, this team uh did a pretty
Speaker 1: good job of of of getting some value where they
Speaker 1: picked their picked their players. Well, I think the beauty
Speaker 1: of this is you could really point to several different
Speaker 1: points and the draft where they got value. And that's
Speaker 1: there's no right or wrong answer here. Um Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop into the fourth round with what they did
Speaker 1: with Armstrong and Schultz, Um, and then getting like a
Speaker 1: guy like Cedric Wilson late Mike White we loved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know Mike White. Yeah, I had a three to
Speaker 1: four on him, sure, three on him myself, so exactly
Speaker 1: we both thought that he was in consideration at the
Speaker 1: top one hundred picks. So to get him where they did, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I know what was the big thing we
Speaker 1: talked about going into this draft, how this team has
Speaker 1: so many needs. Sure, you know that's with me. The
Speaker 1: first round so unpredictable. They could go five six different
Speaker 1: positions and no one would bat an eye. It's you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of fans are upset, Well, we need to
Speaker 1: get a safety, we need to do interior defensive line. Well,
Speaker 1: when you look at it, we've been talking about how
Speaker 1: there's so many needs. You weren't going to address every
Speaker 1: single need in this draft, you know, with a top
Speaker 1: four round pick. So considering what they did, considering who
Speaker 1: was on the board at the time, I think they
Speaker 1: did a heck of a job. That's a perfect setup
Speaker 1: for what I wanted to say, which I'll just keep
Speaker 1: harping on it, which I love a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff they did, but it starts at the top. And
Speaker 1: that's even with a guy that was not like the
Speaker 1: favorite of the three people in this room. You just
Speaker 1: said before the show you had Layton vander Esh ranked
Speaker 1: twenty six, So by that logic, you could argue it's
Speaker 1: a bit of a reach to take him where they did.
Speaker 1: You could argue that, and I mean you would agree
Speaker 1: with that. You probably wouldn't have drafted him if you
Speaker 1: were making the call. But again, you're not going to
Speaker 1: get a starter caliber player with every pick you make.
Speaker 1: You had to make sure you address that position with
Speaker 1: as good of a player as possible. And to do that,
Speaker 1: a guy like Layton vander Esh, who can do a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything, could be your day one starter
Speaker 1: at Mike if you wanted him or needed him to
Speaker 1: be on top of a million other things. I thought
Speaker 1: it was, like I said, even they're not going to
Speaker 1: ever admit that it was a reach. Maybe it wasn't
Speaker 1: for them. Maybe they had him ranked fie. It was
Speaker 1: very it was obvious. They no, well, it's obvious that
Speaker 1: they loved him. Yeah, they did, absolutely love because they
Speaker 1: were they were they had an opportunity to trade up
Speaker 1: for Derwin James and they didn't and they did and
Speaker 1: they didn't. And you remember there at the you know,
Speaker 1: the war room cam there when we did that. You know,
Speaker 1: they didn't flinch. It was one of those you know me,
Speaker 1: I'd be terrible. I was always terrible in a war
Speaker 1: room because I would get a little you could you
Speaker 1: could get you could tell by my my demeanor. Did
Speaker 1: if it was something that bothered me. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: if if somebody back in the day when you know,
Speaker 1: Ozzie was taking picks ahead of us and stuff, and
Speaker 1: you're kind of and you just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: you you just like you look down and you close
Speaker 1: your eyes and you're just like, you know, you say,
Speaker 1: damned yourself like that and or throw the pin or whatever.
Speaker 1: But they were I think people or maybe faulting them
Speaker 1: a little bit about the Vanderesh pick. They loved the
Speaker 1: Connor Williams pick right well, but they're faulting them for
Speaker 1: because they didn't go get Derwin Jane. And that's well,
Speaker 1: that's and Hey, I mean, if there's really if there's
Speaker 1: one thing I could criticize them for, it's not addressing safety.
Speaker 1: And then they were they tried, they tried to trade
Speaker 1: for all pro safety. They were up for it, really did.
Speaker 1: They were upfront and honest about it. After the draft too,
Speaker 1: they're like, we didn't get it done. It didn't break
Speaker 1: that way, and they'll they'll have to figure a way
Speaker 1: out around that. But uh, my point being, even if
Speaker 1: they're not going to say it was a reach, maybe
Speaker 1: they don't think it was a reach, but even if
Speaker 1: it was a reach, by taking care of that, it
Speaker 1: opened you up to get better value down the line.
Speaker 1: And not only that, but kind of going back to
Speaker 1: what we talked about last year, I feel way better
Speaker 1: about asking Layton vander Esh to be that guy than
Speaker 1: if they had waited until the third round to address linebacker.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's how you get in trouble. So
Speaker 1: I like that a lot. We talked a lot about
Speaker 1: how all the Cowboy had just lost that Week seventeen game,
Speaker 1: they'd have pick fifteen, pick sixteen, wherever it would Yeah,
Speaker 1: even if they had that pick, I think Layton Vanderesh
Speaker 1: would have been the pick. Even with Derwin James on
Speaker 1: the board, I think Layton Vanders would have been a pick.
Speaker 1: He was the guy that they identified. They might have
Speaker 1: drafted over Tremy and Edmunds. Sure, I think that's very possible.
Speaker 1: I could have happened. So um, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want fans to have any remorse about that,
Speaker 1: because again, if they had the fifteen sixteenth pick Hick,
Speaker 1: if they trade it up, everyone had been like, oh
Speaker 1: they're going to get Derwin, get Derwin, they would have
Speaker 1: gone up to get Layton vandersh Yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: guy they identified early on. And yes I had him
Speaker 1: as twenty six on my board, but really I'd say
Speaker 1: between the picks, like on my board seventeen to thirty,
Speaker 1: it was so close. Ye mean, there was like the
Speaker 1: same tier you were struggling for that. I was the
Speaker 1: same way because I had him as twenty eight on
Speaker 1: my board. I think I told you, but I had
Speaker 1: Connor Williams above him. Yeah, so you know, to me,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys off my top fifty got three players out
Speaker 1: of that. Every every pick they had, the first three
Speaker 1: picks were all second round picks on my board. If
Speaker 1: you're follow along on on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I
Speaker 1: put out my board, so you know exactly where my
Speaker 1: interests was on as far as that board. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that the I think the execution again,
Speaker 1: I look at the draft, and I think Dane's got
Speaker 1: a great idea about not grading. You know, because I
Speaker 1: had a guy one time and I told the story
Speaker 1: a bunch. I had a scout one time in Philly
Speaker 1: tell me that that. You know, he said, you just
Speaker 1: had the worst draft in the history of the National
Speaker 1: Football League. I looked at him and I said, do
Speaker 1: you think you want to give that a couple of
Speaker 1: years to three years? Because no, no, you had it
Speaker 1: well you know, three or four years later for the
Speaker 1: eight picks make the Pro Bowl. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I just I think you have
Speaker 1: to be careful about that. I think when you look
Speaker 1: at the execution the plan, I think that's where you
Speaker 1: I think that's where you have to avou Did they
Speaker 1: do the things? Did they not get a safety? Yeah
Speaker 1: they didn't, But was the execution of the other picks
Speaker 1: what you that is? I think if you listen to
Speaker 1: this show from January until now, yeah, I mean this year,
Speaker 1: but any year. Like, the number one thing I think
Speaker 1: it teaches you is that's that's just not a way
Speaker 1: you can look at the draft in the immediate aftermath.
Speaker 1: Like all all you can do is look at the
Speaker 1: players great amount, see what the value is, and appreciate
Speaker 1: the strategy. The strategy worked out really well. I think
Speaker 1: they got really good value. That doesn't mean any of
Speaker 1: the picks are going to work out, but you I mean,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. That's the nature of the draft. Um,
Speaker 1: were you guys surprised they took nine picks, Yes, no,
Speaker 1: I think if there's one thing I feel, you know,
Speaker 1: I think we were right about a lot of our
Speaker 1: inklings about what they might try to do. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was dead wrong about that. I thought that that was
Speaker 1: the one I missed on too. I feel like they
Speaker 1: make at least two trade. Well they did make two trades,
Speaker 1: but I thought, you know, I thought they it would
Speaker 1: be higher up in the draft. I thought it would
Speaker 1: be a little more costly. I mean they didn't make
Speaker 1: a single trade with UH in terms of moving up
Speaker 1: or down to play. No, No, they didn't make a move.
Speaker 1: They gave it a sixth round picked to get an
Speaker 1: established player, whether he's established or not. At least you
Speaker 1: have an idea what Tavon Austin could be. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was enough to move on from I mean, god,
Speaker 1: how many minutes did we spend hours probably talking about
Speaker 1: jumping from nineteen to twelve, fifty to thirty. But but
Speaker 1: that's the whole idea you've got, and you got to
Speaker 1: do that. You were I mean, I think the thing
Speaker 1: too is when you look at and you Dane, you
Speaker 1: even read your report about Ward Jihad Ward who who
Speaker 1: that's a Will McClay guy that yeah, yeah, when when
Speaker 1: when they coached in the Senior Bowl. When Will when
Speaker 1: the Raiders offered him? That was a no brainer for Will.
Speaker 1: They you know, they had Austin already, so you know
Speaker 1: I had people kind of say, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 1: and even in the mail bag this morning day, we
Speaker 1: had a guy say, oh, camp body. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: not this is not a camp body. This is a
Speaker 1: guy that will honestly come in and compete for a spot.
Speaker 1: But a guy that they thought enough of that they're
Speaker 1: going to sacrificed. You know, Brandon's excuse me, Ryan Switzer
Speaker 1: and say okay, we'll take this gun because we like
Speaker 1: him better. Than Ryan Switzer the flip side of that coin.
Speaker 1: I mean again, I can appreciate the strategy. Who knows
Speaker 1: if it's gonna work out. I mean they they thought
Speaker 1: Benson Mayo was really going to be a big time
Speaker 1: sure lottery pick for them and didn't really, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: But he's got the traits they like he was. I
Speaker 1: think I think I heard they had a third round
Speaker 1: grade on him in sixteen. Sure, so I mean, you
Speaker 1: get Tavon Austin. Like I said, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: love the idea of sending Ryan Switzer away, but I
Speaker 1: see the logic and if it works out, then it
Speaker 1: it's not a heavy price to pay, and real quickly.
Speaker 1: We talked about um even the day before the draft,
Speaker 1: using your second, your third to move up to you know,
Speaker 1: thirty four, thirty five to get Courtland Sutton right who
Speaker 1: ended up going forty So they could have worked. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but now that we can look back, who would
Speaker 1: you rather have Connor Williams and Michael Gallup or Courtland
Speaker 1: sut Not even close? Yeah? See to me, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is where this is where the Dame Burgler
Speaker 1: School of Patients pace off. Here. This is like Okay,
Speaker 1: stop wanting to trade all my picks, Brian, you know,
Speaker 1: don't let me go up, you know, but I total
Speaker 1: him with you on that because again, you look at
Speaker 1: and those are two players that I had in my
Speaker 1: top fifty. And you need to remind somebody one day
Speaker 1: when you're in a war room that you know, when
Speaker 1: you get to be and you know, doing that the
Speaker 1: next spring, yeah, next spring, doing you you know, say, hey,
Speaker 1: listen to who do we really want here? Look at
Speaker 1: the big picture here, and I think if you're Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: as much as I wanted him to go up and
Speaker 1: be aggressive and do things, stand right there and making
Speaker 1: picks was the right way to go. Shouts out to
Speaker 1: all my people who were convinced Jerry was going to
Speaker 1: make a splash because the draft was in his building. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had a really good draft, in my opinion, but
Speaker 1: nothing splashy about it, just making picks. Who's the one player,
Speaker 1: Dane that you know you look at this board and
Speaker 1: take We'll take Mike White out of it, because really
Speaker 1: he's the lottery pick, you know. I mean, hopefully he'll
Speaker 1: get some good work during the preseason and you kind
Speaker 1: of get a little bit more idea what he's like.
Speaker 1: I just love the player though, But who's the guy
Speaker 1: that we're kind of not We're gonna we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about right now, just to kind of give people and
Speaker 1: I do you think, Okay, this guy is gonna come
Speaker 1: in and and and we understand Vanderish and maybe Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: But who's the guy that you have that you say, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: watch this guy. Once he puts on a pro uniform,
Speaker 1: He's gonna be it. He could be a difference maker
Speaker 1: for you there. Well, I think obviously Gallup, um I
Speaker 1: don't think it would surprise anybody if he became the
Speaker 1: best receiver on this roster by the end of his
Speaker 1: rookie year. I think that's possible. Um So, I think
Speaker 1: he's in that mix. But if we look at some
Speaker 1: of the Day three guys, if Jason Wynn does indeed retire, yeah,
Speaker 1: then Dalton Schultz, all of a sudden he gets thrust
Speaker 1: into the spotlight. You know, he's gonna be put into
Speaker 1: a mix with some other tight ends who have more experience.
Speaker 1: But Schultz has better talent, and so at some point
Speaker 1: during this season the talent will win out. He will
Speaker 1: see the field and coming from that Stanford offense, he's
Speaker 1: well versus a blocker. Uh, he understands what us. Put
Speaker 1: his hand on the ground, play in line. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not the amazing athlete that you want as a receiver,
Speaker 1: but he can get open. He can go down the field.
Speaker 1: So I think Dalton Schultz, you know, ready or not,
Speaker 1: might be thrust into a role where he's going to
Speaker 1: see plenty of action, plenty of snaps, and so we
Speaker 1: have to wait and see how the Jason Witten saga
Speaker 1: plays out. This is a question. This ties into a
Speaker 1: question I've gotten from a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: since we since I tweeted this morning. Yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: we are taking your questions day, will grab him or
Speaker 1: you call remember eight eight eight eight five five two
Speaker 1: two nine seven. We'd like to hear from you. You know,
Speaker 1: don't be shy about it. Pick up the foam, give
Speaker 1: us a shout or tweet a question at at Helm
Speaker 1: and DC there and we'll try and get that taken
Speaker 1: care of. And you know, I don't know how big
Speaker 1: of an impact he's going to have because he's got
Speaker 1: an All Pro ahead of him on the depth chart,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people are curious why Bo Scarborough
Speaker 1: was there in the seventh. I mean you had a
Speaker 1: fourth fifth on him, big, bigger, big name, big dude,
Speaker 1: big program. It just I mean, I'm I was kind
Speaker 1: of surprisedly fell that far too, to be totally honest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am too. U How I mentioned when he was picked,
Speaker 1: this is a player with only two hundred eight career touches,
Speaker 1: so catch or carries and catches, so he wasn't utilized
Speaker 1: as kind of that feature back role. H. He has
Speaker 1: the size of a linebacker, and that's both that's a
Speaker 1: double edged sword. You know, it's good and bad. It's
Speaker 1: good because he will run over defenders at times. Uh.
Speaker 1: He uses that forward lean where he can power and
Speaker 1: get you those inches in short yardage your goal line.
Speaker 1: But he's also a huge target, so defenders knows they
Speaker 1: know he's coming. There's no hiding behind offensive linemen. Um.
Speaker 1: And I need to see him for a guy that
Speaker 1: that's big. I need to see him get better as
Speaker 1: a blocker and pass protection that that was an issue
Speaker 1: for him at times. As a receiver. He's okay, So
Speaker 1: there just doesn't have he doesn't have that dominant trait. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks great, doesn't always play up to that size
Speaker 1: on a consistent level that you want to see. So
Speaker 1: but here in the seventh round or on late rounds
Speaker 1: that you take a chance on a guy like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I keep talking about what widely from Iowa that I
Speaker 1: think he's signed with anybody. Yeah, he did Tennessee and
Speaker 1: put a forward by the way, went to Seattle. That's
Speaker 1: the out of my draft, and they I'm in for
Speaker 1: a top thirty. There's a there's a team that knows
Speaker 1: something about defensive lineman. So catch an eye on that one. Um.
Speaker 1: But I think the thing with to me with Scarborough
Speaker 1: is Scarborough gonna be able to play special teams? You
Speaker 1: know how Scarbough gonna be able to be an active
Speaker 1: guy on the forty six. Everybody's like, oh, that's a
Speaker 1: great one to bring. But you know, how did how
Speaker 1: did Rod Smith make this team? Special team? Special teams?
Speaker 1: Big guy, big guy special? Okay, if you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a big guy be special teams, I would think he
Speaker 1: can do it. Yeah. Well that's what I'm saying, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're you're talking about a guy. It's
Speaker 1: kind of been kind of nicked up some does he
Speaker 1: mean we see a big body, but do you see
Speaker 1: the toughness to be able to say, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put this behind me. You know, I'm not gonna worry
Speaker 1: about having to carry the ball anymore. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try and be one of the best special teams
Speaker 1: players that I could be, you know, And I don't
Speaker 1: know if he necessarily if his game translates to a
Speaker 1: guy like Rod Smith developed because again, like you said,
Speaker 1: special teams, I don't know if I don't know if
Speaker 1: both Scarborough can be a guy that all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: is he going to be on the fifty three or
Speaker 1: someone're gonna beat him out because you know, Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: even said it himself. To be the third back on
Speaker 1: this team, you got to find a way to play
Speaker 1: special teams. And I worry about Scarborough in that in
Speaker 1: that deep and he's I mean he's the fourth technically
Speaker 1: because you got a full back in Yeah, who plays
Speaker 1: who plays special teams? Yeah, you know, Ola Wally does
Speaker 1: line it. But the beauty don't think as good as
Speaker 1: Keith Smith was. But we'll see the beauty of that
Speaker 1: is that I mean, you tend to you first of all,
Speaker 1: you overvalue your own team's picks, right, and also he's
Speaker 1: a very recognizable name given where he's coming from. I mean,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't make the fifty three, he seems like
Speaker 1: a practice squad, no brainer. Oh sure, that's fine. Sure.
Speaker 1: And the other thing about Scarborough is the injuries in
Speaker 1: the In my guide, I go back to high school.
Speaker 1: In high school, it reseeason ending injuries. Yeah. So it's
Speaker 1: just he's a guy that struggled as they healthy in
Speaker 1: the past, and uh, you know, it's a guy that
Speaker 1: didn't carry the ball a lot at Alabama and he
Speaker 1: still was dinged up quite a bit. I just again,
Speaker 1: I look at if you if you want to talk
Speaker 1: about some things that I might have been might have
Speaker 1: been different. I mean, okay, I'll even throw you this one.
Speaker 1: I think the kid that William from LSU would have
Speaker 1: been a special teams guy. You don't have to you
Speaker 1: don't have to get me the top running back on
Speaker 1: my board. And see that's what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: you you're you're teams in Kansas City, by the way, right,
Speaker 1: and there's another team that knows something about backs. They've
Speaker 1: taken a few LSU backs have something minutes something. I
Speaker 1: just kind of I look at I look at the situation,
Speaker 1: and I say, Okay, if you're give me a guy
Speaker 1: that's got a chance to make my team. I get Scarborough,
Speaker 1: I mean, he Freagan, he's a tank, I get it.
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to think, Okay, what's the best opportunity
Speaker 1: for him to make my team. Be a be a
Speaker 1: special teams guy, be a really good catcher out of
Speaker 1: the backfield, and be an adequate pass block. One of
Speaker 1: the most refreshingly honest things that came out Saturday was
Speaker 1: after it was all over, Stephen Jones was like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get a good look at him this summer because
Speaker 1: y'all know, Zeke's not going to play a lot. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have he's gonna get to work. So we'll
Speaker 1: show what he can do and we'll see and we'll
Speaker 1: see if in fact, he can do all the things
Speaker 1: that we were talking about. Okay, well, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: our first break when we come back. I think Dave's
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Speaker 1: Mayport Navel. Go ahead, Josh, right, hey, Josh, all right?
Speaker 1: So I agree with the last caller, like, you guys
Speaker 1: are awesome. The way how you guys educate us is
Speaker 1: as the fans are unbelievable. Thank you very much. I personally,
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this draft. I think we did hell
Speaker 1: of a pics of great trades and I'm really excited
Speaker 1: about it. So I just have a couple of questions
Speaker 1: for you guys. Sure go ahead in regards to the receiver,
Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm a bit torn here because I
Speaker 1: believe that all the receivers can create a unique asset
Speaker 1: to his team. So I'm just kind of confused on
Speaker 1: who's the odd man out. And as far as the
Speaker 1: draft and off season, how much more confident do you
Speaker 1: feel about the projective execution of our quarterback? And the
Speaker 1: last question that I have, I'm sorry that I have
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about it. And the last question
Speaker 1: is um, now that we've dropped cornor Williams, do you
Speaker 1: believe that the best fob approach UM is more feasible
Speaker 1: now now that we have him now? So I'm no.
Speaker 1: Last year, I don't know, there was quite speculation about uh,
Speaker 1: some people didn't really agree with the best fob approach
Speaker 1: because it kind of hurt us as a tame. But
Speaker 1: now can we get away with that? And I'll just
Speaker 1: take your call off. Thanks Josh, appreciate you, sir, appreciate
Speaker 1: you taking the time to call. Okay, I will David
Speaker 1: Hilmet give me the odd man out potentially or kind
Speaker 1: of line up what you see with that. That's really
Speaker 1: the beauty of it. And you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lie at y'all. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, but
Speaker 1: that's that's but that's the beauty of it. You look
Speaker 1: at it, you take him to training camp and figure
Speaker 1: it out. And in all honesty, I think there's so
Speaker 1: there are there eight right now there and okay, I
Speaker 1: think there's ten if you include like Katie Cannon Lancelot,
Speaker 1: But go down the depth chart. Your guess is as
Speaker 1: good as mine. I think it's it's a really good
Speaker 1: bet that Alan Hearns is here because they gave him
Speaker 1: a pretty good decent amount of money and he also
Speaker 1: he feels a role that they don't really have in
Speaker 1: terms that he's probably the biggest bodied receiver on this team,
Speaker 1: uh and his versatile. So he's here. Michael Gallup is
Speaker 1: here because you spent the top one hundred pick on him.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you don't cut third round picks. I
Speaker 1: don't remember the last time that happened. And at least
Speaker 1: not in his rookie year. Um. Other than that, it's
Speaker 1: pretty wide open. I mean, um, I think I think
Speaker 1: you you could maybe add Terrence Williams to that mix,
Speaker 1: because again, it hurts the team to cut him. It
Speaker 1: actually would cost them four million dollars. They don't get
Speaker 1: any savings. But you could just rip that band aid
Speaker 1: off if you were really convinced you wanted two. But
Speaker 1: I would guess he's probably safe, So you take those
Speaker 1: three could be a g though he could I mean, well,
Speaker 1: they they say that they think he's ready for the
Speaker 1: start of camp or they feel like he will be.
Speaker 1: We'll have to see. Uh. And then the thing with
Speaker 1: that too is if you're on pup at the start
Speaker 1: of camp, you have all of camp to get off of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like the regular season where there's a limit. So, uh,
Speaker 1: those three stand out to me as pretty comfortable. Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin is on a one year deal and sixth round pick.
Speaker 1: That's not a big deal if you don't like him.
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson is a seventh round pick or was it
Speaker 1: sixth sixth round pick? Um, that's nothing. Six round picks
Speaker 1: don't make the team all the time. Cole Beasley's on
Speaker 1: a one year deal. Deonte Thompson is on a vet
Speaker 1: minimum deal like that, there's there's only there's really only
Speaker 1: two or three of these guys that you're married to,
Speaker 1: so you take him to camp and figure it out. Um,
Speaker 1: And that's why, honestly, you know, like I said, it
Speaker 1: kind of hurts to let go of Ryan Switzer before
Speaker 1: you got to see what he could do. But he
Speaker 1: kind of became redundant once you traded for Tavon Austin,
Speaker 1: So that's another guy that you don't have to keep
Speaker 1: who his odds of making the team are not great
Speaker 1: when you consider that's with that Beasley and Austin are
Speaker 1: now here, so it made sense to kind of try
Speaker 1: to clear up that room before you even get into
Speaker 1: the process of practicing. So, um yeah, I'm really excited
Speaker 1: to see just competition. Take ten guys to camp and
Speaker 1: see who has the best month. And that's what Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones and Jason Garrett have been saying since February, and
Speaker 1: they were pretty true to it because there shouldn't be
Speaker 1: very many people in that room who were comfortable that
Speaker 1: they're going to have a job when the regular season
Speaker 1: gets here. I will give Noah Brown some credit. I
Speaker 1: didn't even mention Brown. Noah Brown and Lancelor I'll give
Speaker 1: them some credit because in the in the captain's workouts
Speaker 1: or they've not missed a day. No, these guys kind
Speaker 1: of see the riding on the wall and they know
Speaker 1: they have to be in the absolute best shape. Okay,
Speaker 1: the question Another question was about I bet they keep
Speaker 1: six and put two on the practice squads. So take
Speaker 1: your pick, all right, And he asked about the execution
Speaker 1: of the quarterback. He meant, O line too, but go ahead,
Speaker 1: but no, that's what I'm saying. I was going to
Speaker 1: get from the Connor Williams one too. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: the execution of the quarterback. What do you think better?
Speaker 1: Better execution from the quarterback this year? Kind of a things,
Speaker 1: you know, with maybe the stability with the offensive line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see the offense looks like without Whitton. Yeah that's
Speaker 1: if that's what's going to happen. I'll tell you where
Speaker 1: the offense is going to look different without Witton and
Speaker 1: without Dez Bryant. Red zone. Yeah, it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: different team in the red zone. I mean, because the
Speaker 1: one thing Witton was very good at was his ability
Speaker 1: to play in the red zone, and then of course
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant with the fifty fifty ball. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: they're clearly going to look differently. I think that. I
Speaker 1: think I'm excited a healthier offensive line. Ezekiel Elliott, you know,
Speaker 1: being there full time, you hope that the the You
Speaker 1: hope that what you saw from rod Smith will help
Speaker 1: the quarterback late too. As far as if you know
Speaker 1: he gets in there and gets goes, I think you
Speaker 1: got you know, all your receiving targets are gonna it's
Speaker 1: just gonna get open and I'll find you. And they're
Speaker 1: not worrying about getting the ball to anybody. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna have to go on talking Cowboys or the Break
Speaker 1: the week after a game and say, how come Dez
Speaker 1: isn't getting more targets or Dez is getting too many targets.
Speaker 1: I mean, just get open and I'll find you. And
Speaker 1: on top of that, assuming he makes the team, I'm
Speaker 1: intrigued by what Tavon Austin can do in the sense
Speaker 1: that he's a more well rounded, lucky whitehead. I think
Speaker 1: he can do a lot of that type of stuff
Speaker 1: and do more than Lucky did. So I think that's
Speaker 1: another wrinkle that should really help that Connor Williams is
Speaker 1: your starter at left guard, don't you feel like he
Speaker 1: should be? I think so. Yeah. But the best five
Speaker 1: thing is interesting because Okay, if Tyron does go down, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he Connor Wills could kick out the left tax. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: if you feel more comfortable with him doing that, or
Speaker 1: you know, then maybe move Lyle Collins the left guard,
Speaker 1: Cameron Fleming at right tap. I mean they've got options
Speaker 1: with if one of those guys goes down up front
Speaker 1: at the five. I mean, what if Travis Frederick goes down,
Speaker 1: who's your center? Yeah, I think that we're gonna give
Speaker 1: Connor Williams snaps. And I mean he did work out.
Speaker 1: I mean you're absolutely right about that. He didn't work
Speaker 1: out for the Saints, you know, as as a center.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and and we've seen in some training camp practices.
Speaker 1: I remember watching Zach Martin the US take some snaps
Speaker 1: and stuff. So yeah, Connor Williams seemed like a pretty
Speaker 1: good fit for that. So yeah, I kind of I
Speaker 1: would just seem like that Connor Williams is gonna be
Speaker 1: your start at left Martin Martin is going to be
Speaker 1: the backup there. You know, that's the best way forward,
Speaker 1: I think. And maybe Lyle Collins could be a better
Speaker 1: left guard. But yeah, if you spent the top and
Speaker 1: they said at the press conference that they see him
Speaker 1: as an interior O lineman. So there's telling you they
Speaker 1: spent a top fifty pick on a guard. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: should be good enough that the drop off isn't so
Speaker 1: severe that they need to move Lyle. I guess. So
Speaker 1: I'm just plugging him right in and going, I got you,
Speaker 1: can't anything else anybody else? Yeah, we got Roman in Georgia. Roman,
Speaker 1: go ahead up. Hey, good afternoon, guys. I just want
Speaker 1: to echo what the previous two callers had had said
Speaker 1: about two guys doing such an awesome job calling in
Speaker 1: for a few years. Sure, it's the first time I've
Speaker 1: called in on the Draft show. Thank you. And I
Speaker 1: want to point out something. Two comments. One compliment for
Speaker 1: David Hellman, a tiny Jim Yeah. Just you know, I
Speaker 1: want to say, over the last couple of years, what
Speaker 1: ton people might call I know you've referred to yourself
Speaker 1: as kind of a negative Nancy. I call that devil's advocate,
Speaker 1: and I agree with that two Collars ago where he
Speaker 1: said you bring out the best in Brian, I think
Speaker 1: the way you your brutal and I would call it
Speaker 1: brutal honesty. Sure, and then Devil's Advocate that he plays,
Speaker 1: I think brings out the best in in Nick and
Speaker 1: Mickey and you, Brian, I think it adds so much
Speaker 1: to the show. So, David, you've done a great job
Speaker 1: the last few years. Thanks man, I really appreciate. My
Speaker 1: question is I know Mickey has brought out since Dezin's release,
Speaker 1: how many times has Nick NICKI brought up the point, well,
Speaker 1: now that Dez is gone, who's going to be that guy?
Speaker 1: The defenses say, you know, we've got to know where
Speaker 1: he is on the field at all times. We're going
Speaker 1: to put our best guy on him, or they're going
Speaker 1: to double team him to stretch the defense, make them
Speaker 1: play honest so that they don't load seven or eight
Speaker 1: men in the box and say we dare you to
Speaker 1: beat us through the air because we're not really worried
Speaker 1: about it. And I know at the end of last year, Brian,
Speaker 1: how many times did you comment on Dez's game performance? Yes,
Speaker 1: the uncharacteristic I would say, um characteristic amount of drops,
Speaker 1: even Beasley's. Even Beasley, who is normally mister reliable for
Speaker 1: the few catches that he gets throughout the year, has
Speaker 1: always been mister reliable. There was a lot of uncharacteristic
Speaker 1: drops throughout the course of the end of the season.
Speaker 1: I felt, Now, my question is is there any reason why, well,
Speaker 1: thank you, oh hey, losing there. I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: just Kenny. Maybe the defense say, you know what, we've
Speaker 1: got to know where he is because if we don't
Speaker 1: keep an eye on him, he's going to burn us.
Speaker 1: Who won this wide receiver cord or do you feel
Speaker 1: has the potential to be that guy to keep the
Speaker 1: defenses from loading seven or eight men on the box
Speaker 1: and making and given Ezekiel a hard day? All Right,
Speaker 1: thank you very much, Roman, appreciate all your words. Seeing
Speaker 1: that a lot. And maybe I'm being too simplistic, but
Speaker 1: load the box. I want you to. I think they
Speaker 1: played against loaded box when they win thirteen games. They
Speaker 1: did well. Honestly, the for this receiver core to work,
Speaker 1: you want a loaded box like you have first round
Speaker 1: picks all across your line and an all pro running back.
Speaker 1: That's what you want teams to do. You want him
Speaker 1: to load up and say throw against us, because that's
Speaker 1: how Cole Beasley winds up in single coverage, and that's
Speaker 1: how you get favorable matchups on the outside, is that
Speaker 1: they overcompensate to stop the run. And honestly, if Connor
Speaker 1: Williams is what he's supposed to be, this team should
Speaker 1: be able to run again stack boxes. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you there's two guys, and Dank correct me if I'm wrong. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll comment. Tell, Okay, talk about Michael Gallup and what
Speaker 1: you think about him as a route runner. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find a guy on this team that will separate.
Speaker 1: You know that can be that guy? I know, I
Speaker 1: know that that Thompson I think he can separate. I mean,
Speaker 1: I watch him play. I watched him motaate. But I
Speaker 1: want to I want to hear what you think about
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop because I think he's the one guy you
Speaker 1: got that really can't separate. Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1: And you know he's not going to blow you away
Speaker 1: from his size speed standpoint, and so he has to
Speaker 1: maximize his skill set and he does that. He's very
Speaker 1: detailed and what I love about when I watched him,
Speaker 1: every step has a purpose. You know, there's no waste
Speaker 1: that steps out there. If he's taking a jab at
Speaker 1: the off the line, is trying to beat pressed. If
Speaker 1: he's trying to, you know, go twelve steps down the
Speaker 1: line before he makes his cuts. I mean, he knows
Speaker 1: exactly what he's doing, very calculated, but he's not. At
Speaker 1: the same time, he's not slow with what he's doing.
Speaker 1: He's not explosive, but he's not slow. So I really
Speaker 1: like him as a as a route runner. Very subtle
Speaker 1: with the way he uses tempo, the way he uses patients.
Speaker 1: So a big fan of what he can do because again,
Speaker 1: not gonna blow you away from a size speed standpoint,
Speaker 1: but he's crafty and he works hard at his craft
Speaker 1: and I think that shows on tape, and I think
Speaker 1: it'll show as a rookie because we talk a lot
Speaker 1: about how wide receivers. That's a position that takes the
Speaker 1: longest transition historically for rookies because they're not used to
Speaker 1: facing you know, Jalen Ramsey and Patrick Peterson and these
Speaker 1: big cornerbacks press them, snap in, snap out, they're not
Speaker 1: really used to that. But I think Michael Gallop he
Speaker 1: is experienced enough and he's polished enough where he's going
Speaker 1: to have his struggles as a rookie, but it won't
Speaker 1: be as pronounced as some of these other rookies. Yeah see,
Speaker 1: I think he man, you hit the nail on the
Speaker 1: head of this guy. This is to me that that's
Speaker 1: the one guy I was trying. Hey, give me a
Speaker 1: guy or two that can separate. Give me somebody that doesn't.
Speaker 1: You know, Alan Hurns, I've said this song, I think
Speaker 1: and Herns is very similar Route Runners what you saw
Speaker 1: from Dez Bryant, right. I think he's you know, maybe
Speaker 1: has a little bit better experience as far as getting
Speaker 1: open and you know it does. We've seen some good,
Speaker 1: we've seen some bad. But you know, Hearns I think
Speaker 1: is you know I kind of always said, hey, he's
Speaker 1: the same guy Michael Gallop and Thompson to me, even
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson to a little bit of a point. You know,
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson, if you watch him play at Boise, a
Speaker 1: lot across the field, a lot of like lines up
Speaker 1: wide right and then all of a sudden, is all
Speaker 1: the way across the field up in the you know,
Speaker 1: on a on a post a post pattern ball down
Speaker 1: the field to him. I think he's got some separation
Speaker 1: to him as well. But Gallup is the one. He's
Speaker 1: the one that you could say, Okay, that's the guy
Speaker 1: that can separate. That's the guy that's gonna make some plays.
Speaker 1: That's the guy that's gonna present some problems, you know,
Speaker 1: once he gets going, because again he's gonna need some experience,
Speaker 1: but he has he has the ability to be a
Speaker 1: guy that can run some routes like that. I got
Speaker 1: a couple of points I want to hit. Do we
Speaker 1: need to take a break from Yeah, let's t take
Speaker 1: a break again. We'll take your calls too as we
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Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kick Garrison Executive producing Uh this broadcast. So, uh,
Speaker 1: Dave you said you had some Yeah, And I have
Speaker 1: one that I really want to get to because I
Speaker 1: think it's a very fair point from Kuran here on Twitter. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I think we all feel really good about
Speaker 1: this draft. This has been you know, very positively looked
Speaker 1: at um in our circles. But I think it's worth
Speaker 1: it to look at the downside. Which so the question is,
Speaker 1: you know, what, what are the Cowboys going to do?
Speaker 1: What can the Cowboys do about safety? And are you
Speaker 1: content with the next man up philosophy in the sense that, hey,
Speaker 1: I get it, the draft doesn't always work the way
Speaker 1: you want it to. You got to make some tough decisions,
Speaker 1: but they did not address a position that was looked
Speaker 1: at as a need going in. So how do you
Speaker 1: feel about that? I think that to me, they have
Speaker 1: a lot of faith, a lot a lot of faith
Speaker 1: in what's going on with their current safety group, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious, I'm curious what they would they would
Speaker 1: they feel like though that I'm trying to say this
Speaker 1: in a way, would you do you feel like if
Speaker 1: you needed a you got Woozy as a starter? Yeah?
Speaker 1: At left corner? Right? That mean, isn't that I spent
Speaker 1: the last month and a half terrified that they were
Speaker 1: going to mess up a good thing with the O
Speaker 1: line now I'm terrified they're going to mess up a
Speaker 1: good thing with their secondary because they didn't get a safety.
Speaker 1: And that's basically Stephen and Jerry Jones said, you know,
Speaker 1: we really good about Xavier Woods, but we're we can
Speaker 1: look within this team if we have to, meaning that
Speaker 1: Byron Jones and Cheetah Woozier both have the flexibility to
Speaker 1: play safety. And from the sounds of it, you know,
Speaker 1: when they go through these twelve or fifteen spring practices,
Speaker 1: if they don't like what they see, they could consider
Speaker 1: tinkering with the lineup, which I don't like. Yeah, and look,
Speaker 1: it wasn't it was a year ago right around this
Speaker 1: time when we were so stoked about Xavier Woods being
Speaker 1: Privas team. Yeah right, so you know, I know a
Speaker 1: little bit as worn off, but let's not forget what
Speaker 1: we thought of him coming out of college and what
Speaker 1: he could be. So, you know what, I'm eager to
Speaker 1: see what he could be as a full time free safety,
Speaker 1: you know, giving him more consistent reps deposition. So while
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the half glass full approach,
Speaker 1: but you know it's I'm excited to see Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: and what he can do. I and I agree. I
Speaker 1: mean I've said this before, like I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: hate on the guy, I really, I mean he could
Speaker 1: be a really good player. But you don't see teams
Speaker 1: just not address something like and honestly, like we roll
Speaker 1: our eyes so much. But even if they just wanted
Speaker 1: to bring in like a Robert Blanton, like a journeyman
Speaker 1: veteran who has some experience starting like right, they have
Speaker 1: three safeties on the roster right now, and usually you
Speaker 1: have like six going into a training camp. Do they
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound crazy, dude, you know, you look
Speaker 1: at you look at their situation. Dude, they put Jamille Showers.
Speaker 1: I mean it's okay. I mean he's there, you know,
Speaker 1: and then Huff you know, as as another guy. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about down the line guys. I know it's
Speaker 1: not starter type guys, but do you know do they
Speaker 1: want it? Do they want to fully give Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: a chance with he's gonna happen? Because I don't think
Speaker 1: they're gonna go but I don't think they're gonna go
Speaker 1: and get one of these guys like not now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm not closing the door on that.
Speaker 1: And I mean again, when you said that and I
Speaker 1: and I mean, I said, you know, it just doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like that it's the route that they want to go. No, no,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely not the route they want because this is
Speaker 1: this is when guys get signed. This is when guys
Speaker 1: like does Brian after the draft it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: well we need to get mine. And I said this,
Speaker 1: I mean, when did Rolando McLean join this team the
Speaker 1: year he was good June July? I mean like that,
Speaker 1: the um they've made ow justin Durant last year. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's in a spot of it's a spot of need. Um.
Speaker 1: I just don't see them going that route though. After
Speaker 1: I don't think they want to, But maybe they're gonna
Speaker 1: look at what's going on with the OTAs and say, wow,
Speaker 1: we cannot That's exactly what we cannot play without one
Speaker 1: of these guys. Nobody that I can think of in
Speaker 1: the last five years has a bigger opportunity than Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods does these next two months. Because if he goes
Speaker 1: out at OTAs and blows him away and just looks
Speaker 1: like the guy, yeah, then he's the guy. And maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they'll bring in somebody for depth. But otherwise, then
Speaker 1: I think they're going to find a way to bring
Speaker 1: some competition in here by August. That. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just me trying to read between the lines. But it
Speaker 1: is curious that, like I said, you usually, even if
Speaker 1: it's just a vet minimum signing, you usually see this
Speaker 1: team do something to bolster the competition there, and they
Speaker 1: just have not done that. Did you do a report
Speaker 1: on a kid named Tyree Robertson from Oregon? Did you
Speaker 1: see him? I did? Well. I actually, can we talk
Speaker 1: about cam Kelly first? Yeah, that's okay that I'm asking
Speaker 1: because cam Kelly. Okay, again, cam Kelly is rumored to
Speaker 1: be a guy who is is going to be signed
Speaker 1: as one of the undrafted and he kind of looks
Speaker 1: like a safety either way. Physically, he looks like a safety. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He played strong safety for for the Aztecs first few years,
Speaker 1: played that war position right before they moved him the
Speaker 1: corner as a senior. He is so physical to the
Speaker 1: line of screen. Yeah, it's I'm saying puff aggressive. I
Speaker 1: mean I think it put up my report. He looks
Speaker 1: like he's trying to steal their lunch money. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: other way, Oh no, I had like a fifth, sixth
Speaker 1: round grade. Yeah, okay, fan of him and what he
Speaker 1: could do as a tackler. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: has the the quick twitch at the top of routes
Speaker 1: where he can stay with receivers and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you got to see what he could do. Uh,
Speaker 1: if we might have something with m cam kelly, if
Speaker 1: he could believe Um. But do you think but you
Speaker 1: said he played safety at San Diego State, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: first three years he played safety, and then he moved
Speaker 1: outside the corner, he played inside and the nickel, so
Speaker 1: they moved him around as kind of a versatile defensive back. Okay,
Speaker 1: and then I'm asking you about and again I didn't
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't put you on the spot about
Speaker 1: because it appears that a young man Tyree Robinson, the
Speaker 1: from Oregon who's more of a free se or safety
Speaker 1: free state. I don't know where his he fits on
Speaker 1: your grand scheme of things. Yeah. No, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: my notes on Tyree Robinson played a lot of single
Speaker 1: high He looks small, Uh, doesn't anticipate in coverage, waits
Speaker 1: for the play to unfold before attack, plays on his
Speaker 1: heels and coverage. Yeah, ranks, low tackler, good hand, strength
Speaker 1: of hook, and finish accurate strike zone. So it sounds
Speaker 1: like a I had him as more of a better
Speaker 1: run defender, bryan coverage guy, which I think this team
Speaker 1: has plenty of m But you know we'll see it
Speaker 1: because he did play a lot of free for Oregon. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gotta that's just saying if he's a single
Speaker 1: high guy. If he's a single high guy, that makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense for how they play their scheme.
Speaker 1: I did not I did not see him, So I
Speaker 1: was looking at his measurables. Uh you see the short
Speaker 1: on tape. I got it from Oregon Pro Day six
Speaker 1: zoo two two two two one last reading for the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but his times were four to five, four four
Speaker 1: five eight thirty seven a half vertical ten ten on
Speaker 1: the broad jump twenty shuttle was four three four sixty,
Speaker 1: shuttle was eleven fifty five three cone was seven one zero,
Speaker 1: So you know we'll see. But yeah, he was six
Speaker 1: two two h two is and his speed if you
Speaker 1: split it would be four or five six. So that
Speaker 1: was a guy. It sound like he's the one guy
Speaker 1: that they are they're looking at as a potential potential
Speaker 1: free safety. And then and then Dane also brought up
Speaker 1: the fact that Cam Kelly and I don't disagree with
Speaker 1: you about the physicality of cam Kelly. I think that
Speaker 1: he's a I think he would be a guy that
Speaker 1: I immediately would put over there and say, Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: go go learn how to play safety, young man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And he played that war position for the Aztecas.
Speaker 1: He was moved around a lot. Yeah, sure was, And
Speaker 1: so I think that gives you some optimism that he
Speaker 1: could potentially find a fit and you know he's gonna
Speaker 1: he's gonna bring on special teams. He's a physical, physical kid.
Speaker 1: He played quarterback in high school. Uh somewhere in Texas,
Speaker 1: I believe, so, Uh he's still relatively new to the position. Yeah, okay, David,
Speaker 1: I got a thought, Well, we've covered so much of it,
Speaker 1: but I would argue the forgotten man in this year's
Speaker 1: draft class as a dude by the name of Chris Covington. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You went right up to your office after the draft,
Speaker 1: was I did, started watching tape of my guy here.
Speaker 1: So just give us a follow up on the Indiana linebacker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what he's six two two forty five four
Speaker 1: seven eight is the speed. I think that the thing
Speaker 1: I liked. I thought he had some good reactions to
Speaker 1: the ball. He will come forward to deliver a blow.
Speaker 1: He plays along the line pretty square. He was aware
Speaker 1: of his assignment, what was going on around him. He
Speaker 1: will he will show you a little burst out of
Speaker 1: his back pedal when he dropped in coverage and zone coverage.
Speaker 1: I saw a guy that would drive on the football.
Speaker 1: I like the way he moved. He didn't look jerky
Speaker 1: or hesitant or anything like that. He doesn't get hung up,
Speaker 1: you know, with stuff. I feel like I felt like
Speaker 1: he was a pretty good wrap up tackler. He could
Speaker 1: get outside because of his ability to make a tackle.
Speaker 1: I like that. There are times though he gets caught
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the ball. You will watch him,
Speaker 1: you know, with as good as his movement skill is,
Speaker 1: you will see like all of a sudden, he's like
Speaker 1: he's coming forward and he's like, oh no, I'm trapped,
Speaker 1: and he knows it, and that happens to him. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say quite a bit, but they're like once
Speaker 1: every three or four plays, you'll see him get caught
Speaker 1: in the wrong spot. But is you know, and because
Speaker 1: his initial movement is to go to the ball and
Speaker 1: then it's like, oh, I shouldn't, I should be over
Speaker 1: on the other side. But he can close from the backside.
Speaker 1: I like the way he played with his hands. He
Speaker 1: has to be careful not to overrun the play too.
Speaker 1: That's another one of his issues. I'd like to see
Speaker 1: him redirect a little bit better. And it can be
Speaker 1: a little steps slow in coverage, but he worked through
Speaker 1: the trash. Okay that he was having a deal with
Speaker 1: the watched Ohio State, Michigan State in Wisconsin. So some
Speaker 1: pretty good, you know, physical teams upfront, and he was
Speaker 1: physical right with him. It's probably gonna be a special
Speaker 1: teams guy for you. But again that the movement is
Speaker 1: not bad. Just worry a little bit about him getting
Speaker 1: caught on the wrong side of the play. There you
Speaker 1: go like that, Yeah, oh it sounds about right where
Speaker 1: where you're drafting him. Well, I mean, he was the
Speaker 1: one guy that I did not have on my board
Speaker 1: and the red and I'll tell you this, I was
Speaker 1: going through all of Danes. I wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: I had every one of Dane's draft stable players. I
Speaker 1: had watched everyone of Danes draftable players. That's always a
Speaker 1: goal of mine. And he was there, and he was ranked.
Speaker 1: He was the last PFA right the first PA. He
Speaker 1: was the first PFA. So I didn't get if I'd
Speaker 1: have gone one more guy down, then I would have
Speaker 1: I would have had him all next year. You gotta
Speaker 1: do the top five pfas and I guess, I guess,
Speaker 1: but it got me. Always get back. Always yeah, if
Speaker 1: you always, if you look at his draftable guys, you're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna have a pretty good board. Well, let
Speaker 1: me ask you what you know it's hard to do
Speaker 1: this like a will linebacker? Well, like what great would
Speaker 1: you have put on him? If you you know, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought where he I thought more? Probably would have
Speaker 1: put him in the sixth round. If I look at
Speaker 1: the guys who were down there are those outside linebackers
Speaker 1: that were down on the bottom of the board. I had,
Speaker 1: like guys like Bellamy Left, I had sky More down there,
Speaker 1: I had who else I have that those are the
Speaker 1: only two guys that I had that were really that
Speaker 1: were worth it. But he would have been he would
Speaker 1: have been right down there in that range with those guys.
Speaker 1: Question from Derek, which I feel really good. I feel
Speaker 1: like the tone of this show suggested that linebacker would
Speaker 1: be the pick at nineteen. We weren't necessarily always sure
Speaker 1: which one it would be, which leads me. I mean,
Speaker 1: Rashaun Evans from Alabama was taken twenty two, so it
Speaker 1: was right in that range of what we thought too.
Speaker 1: But what do you think they saw in Layton Vanderesh
Speaker 1: that prompted them to pick him over Evans? What's the
Speaker 1: one word I keep using with him. He's an as
Speaker 1: sending player. He's getting better and better, and I think
Speaker 1: just the versatility he can play Mike, you play Sam
Speaker 1: could play well, could play any single one of those positions.
Speaker 1: That's key with with Evans, I think you worry a
Speaker 1: little bit about what is his position? Yeah, can you
Speaker 1: play all three positions interchangeably? Where with Vanderesh, I don't
Speaker 1: think you worry about that. I think you feel good
Speaker 1: he can do it. And then just again, when you
Speaker 1: watch his tape chronologically from the start of the season
Speaker 1: to the end of the season, I just me speaking
Speaker 1: about when I was doing it. I became so much
Speaker 1: more optimistic about him as a player. When you take
Speaker 1: everything into account, where he came from, his background, the
Speaker 1: fact that he was banged up as in two, sixteen,
Speaker 1: ten and seventeen his first real true starting reps, and
Speaker 1: then he just got better and better and better, And
Speaker 1: so that gives me a lot of optimism moving forward
Speaker 1: for him. And the fact that I don't even think
Speaker 1: he's close to his ceiling, like he still has a
Speaker 1: ways to go where he's going to get better and better.
Speaker 1: I think the phrase he's only going to get better
Speaker 1: is overused and very often untrue, but with him, I
Speaker 1: do see him getting better and better as he sees
Speaker 1: more reps, he's more snaps. I'm very eager. If I'm
Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan, I am excited about lating Vanderesh. Think
Speaker 1: I think he hit the nail on the head. I
Speaker 1: think that there were more questions about where where to
Speaker 1: play Evans. I think they were thinking, Okay, is he
Speaker 1: is he? Really? Is he just a will? Can he
Speaker 1: be a Mike? I mean I think that I think
Speaker 1: they liked the player. Obviously they brought him in, but
Speaker 1: I felt like with vander Esh, they they have an
Speaker 1: idea where they want to do with him, and maybe
Speaker 1: as an idea of what they want to do with
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. Well, now, and that's okay, that's another question
Speaker 1: we got that ties into that. Yeah, and I mean
Speaker 1: we've talked about it, but whatever we're wrapping up. Just
Speaker 1: how do you see Layton being used here in his
Speaker 1: first year same as a mic linebacker, don't you? From
Speaker 1: day one? I think he's got an excellent chance to
Speaker 1: be the starting mike. Yeah, I think there might be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a competition there. You know, him
Speaker 1: and Jalen are gonna get reps and you're gonna see it,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's gonna turn into
Speaker 1: Jaalen's gonna start getting reps with Sam linebacker, you know,
Speaker 1: or maybe Layton Vanderis will get reps at s Sam linebacker.
Speaker 1: You don't you think it's as easy as just sailing
Speaker 1: saying Jalen will wind up at Sam though. I think that.
Speaker 1: I think that if you look at the progression of him,
Speaker 1: I think the way he plays physically along the line,
Speaker 1: and the fact that they want to use him as
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, that's kind of his more better of
Speaker 1: a strength at his than it would be to be
Speaker 1: as a drop guy. So yeah, I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like that they'll say, Okay, we'll keep all our linebacker
Speaker 1: on the field, but we'll use one of them. You kick,
Speaker 1: you kick somebody inside, you kick, you know, or maybe
Speaker 1: you take Crawford off the field. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: you got one of those one of those rush guys
Speaker 1: depend on. Hey, you never know, Cony Ealy, one of
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, makes a team. Maybe the health
Speaker 1: of u Tappers better see what happens. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like that they'll take Jalen and make
Speaker 1: him a rush and not have to put him in
Speaker 1: a lot of drop situations. I think, even with the
Speaker 1: concerns about Jalen's health, and you know, we'll see how
Speaker 1: quickly uh Layton vander esh adapts. Yeah, but this is
Speaker 1: as good as the Cowboys linebacker corps looked on paper,
Speaker 1: and well it was. It was a bad it was
Speaker 1: a bad situation though, but pre draft that was something
Speaker 1: that we've kind of felt like, that's a testament to
Speaker 1: the pick. I think. Yeah, and then I mean you
Speaker 1: add to it with Covington and Joe Thomas, I think
Speaker 1: is a solid free agent signing Damian Wilson. You know,
Speaker 1: if if they were going to try him to be
Speaker 1: a starter. I think he would have shown that more
Speaker 1: by now, but it's still a good depth piece to have.
Speaker 1: And then you've got three. I mean, you have an
Speaker 1: all pro in one spot and then two highly athletic
Speaker 1: players with huge upside filling the other two spots. I mean,
Speaker 1: even in twenty fourteen when Rolando had such a great
Speaker 1: year at MIKE, remember Sean Lee didn't play that whole year, right,
Speaker 1: So if all three of these guys can play and
Speaker 1: contribute at even a good level, let a lot, great,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's about as good as we've seen here.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to keep their eye to eye
Speaker 1: on the waiver wires and stuff. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: keep their eyes on other teams for cuts and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, idea to see kind of if there's a
Speaker 1: young guy there that they can camp. So, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: listen to We're running out of time here, but I
Speaker 1: do I want to take the last a few seconds
Speaker 1: that we have again to thank everybody out there for
Speaker 1: falling along with us. I kind of gave my scouting
Speaker 1: report about everything, my assessment. I do want to thank
Speaker 1: this guy to my right for all he's done. He
Speaker 1: means a lot to our organization. M v P. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because of what he does. I say this and I
Speaker 1: pray this is the year. I don't want to lose
Speaker 1: this guy, but he deserves to scout in the National
Speaker 1: Football League. He's got a great eye for talent. He's
Speaker 1: a very calm individual. He's great to work with. He
Speaker 1: gives great opinions. And Dame Brugo, I can't thank you
Speaker 1: enough for all the things you've done for us to
Speaker 1: make this program better. It has to be part of
Speaker 1: part of the team with you guys. It's been fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know how many years is this for us now?
Speaker 1: For we started in fourteen, So yeah, this is our
Speaker 1: fifth draft. I thought it is our fifth d Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's about time for you to go off and
Speaker 1: do something else. And David Helmet, I want to thank you.
Speaker 1: Like everybody's talked about, You've grown a lot with this role,
Speaker 1: as far as you know, making us have to think,
Speaker 1: making us have to answer questions, and having your own
Speaker 1: opinions as well. So I appreciate that. I'm happy. I'll
Speaker 1: let me come on for the ride, because lord knows,
Speaker 1: I don't have five hundred scouting reports. We'll get you
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