1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Good people, good people, good people. What's up? This is Questlove? Yes, Questlove. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: I hope you heard of me. I'm excited to tell 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: you about my brand new book. I'm still writing books. 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: It's called hip Hop Is History. Hip Hop Is History, 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: released on my own imprint, oh Books, That's right, au 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: Wa Books. When hip hop first emerged in the seventies, 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: I really wasn't expected to become the cultural force that 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: it was. Many people dismissed it as a fad. However, 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: as a young kid growing up in Philadelphia, it was 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: everything to me. Like I would stay up late at 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: night with my radio recording everything, studying it, and I 12 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: saved my money to buy the vinyl the next day 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: as soon as it landed, even made my songs. You 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: know hey. Six decades later, here I am now as 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: an award winning musician and filmmaker, a New York Times 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: bestselling author, a producer, culinary entrepreneur, co founder of a 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: little band called The Roots, and other things in between. 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: But in everything I do, I try to promote the 19 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: history of this culture and music. And I'm really proud 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: to present to you hip Hop's history. And this book 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: explores the last fifty years of the creative and cultural 22 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: forces that made in shape hip hop, highlighting both the 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: forgotten and the influential gems that build this culture altogether. Basically, 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: here's a quickie preview of my new book, hip Hop 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: Is History. McMillan the audio presents hip Hop Is History 26 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: by Questlove with Ben Greener. This, of course is Questlove Introduction. 27 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm writing from the summer of twenty twenty three, the 28 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: year that has been officially designated as the fiftieth anniversary 29 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: of hip hop. The designation stends from the date mythic 30 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: but also real, of a August eleventh, nineteen seventy three 31 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: back to school party in the Bronx, held in the 32 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: wreck room of an apartment building at fifteen twenty Sedgwick Avenue, 33 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: planned by a Jamaican born team named Cindy Campbell. She 34 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: made the decorations and made up a pricing structure a 35 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: quarter for girls for admission, fifty cent for boys, and 36 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: concessions that included seventy five cent hot dogs and featuring 37 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: Cindy's older brother, Clive, nicknamed Cool Herk as a result 38 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: of his imposing physical stature. Herk was short for Hercules 39 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: Furnishing entertainment that consisted of a DJ set in which 40 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,279 Speaker 1: he spum funk records using a novel technique that foregrounded 41 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: the beats or break beats, isolating them and repeating them 42 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: in ways that not only provided a new space for 43 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: dancers or breakdancing, but also constructed a frame over which 44 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: hurt construtch, extended wraps or commentaries. I have my quibbles 45 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: for picking this state as a birth date, for reasons 46 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: I will explain. But no one can question the fact 47 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: of hip hop's birth because no one can question what 48 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: followed decades of innovation, achievement, energy, artistry, and history, meaning 49 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: decades of life. History is never simple. It's layers upon layers. 50 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: But what exactly is this miraculous mercurial genre that has 51 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: given so much to me and so many other artists, 52 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: and to which we are trying in turn to give 53 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: something back. Big question, long answer to follow. The story 54 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: begins just after Thanksgiving of twenty twenty two. Leftover turkey 55 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: is still the refrigerator. My manager, Sean Gee and the 56 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: television producers Jesse Collins and Dion harm And came to me. 57 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: They had a question, The Grammys want to do something 58 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: for Hip Hop fifty Would you lead it? How do 59 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: you feel about putting something together? I'm the king of 60 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: yes and the victim of it too. Out of muscle 61 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: memory and habit, I agreed to a job before I 62 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: think about what it actually involves, what I'm getting myself into, 63 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: and what I might need to get myself out of. 64 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: Of course, I said, no problem, whatsoever. I could do 65 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: this in my sleep. But sleep was exactly what didn't happen. 66 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 1: I got right to work trying to tell the story 67 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: of the genre. First by building playlists and sourcing history. 68 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: I knew I would need headliners, big artists, and I 69 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: would also need important artists who might not have sould 70 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: quite as much, not to mention artists of the moment. 71 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: That meant Jay Z Snoop Dogg, Public Enemy, Drake, Griselda, Cardi, 72 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: b Coila, Ray Coast, Contra, Jack Harlowe, Meek Mill, and 73 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: all points in between. About five hours into the sourcing, 74 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: it felt daunting, but with a window of possibility. About 75 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: ten hours into the sourcing, I realized that the segment, 76 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: whatever ended up being, had to have a time limit, 77 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: and that this fact created a second fact, which was 78 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: that I would have to demote some artists and cut 79 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: others out. I would have to make the hard choices 80 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: and play favorites. This whole thing, which had the potential 81 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: to be a landmark event, could also result in angry 82 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: faces in a ring around me. Wait, was I being 83 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: set up for failure? Instantly I felt a twinge of 84 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: regret of having said yes. In truth, it was an 85 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: accumulated twinge. I had the previous March one an Oscar 86 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: for directing Summer of Soul, a documentary about the Harlem 87 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: cultural festival also known as Black Woodstock. I created the 88 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: movie and a relatively calm atmosphere that was ironically enabled 89 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: by the broad international crisis of pandemic. I was doing 90 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: different things, living upstate, sketching on weekend mornings, getting further 91 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: into meditation. But in the wake of the Oscar, I 92 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: was also in demand. People were seeking me out to 93 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: direct more movies. I said yes to one offer and 94 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: yes to a second, and before I knew it, I 95 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: was down for half a dozen commitments. I remember a 96 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: conversation with my ex girlfriend, one of the last ones 97 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: before we broke up. She was dismayed, you learned absolutely 98 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: nothing in the last two years. She said. You told 99 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: me that the less work you do and the more 100 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: time you had to breathe, the more the stars aligned. 101 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: You were working only on the things you wanted, and 102 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: that felt good, right, I said, So, what's up with 103 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: all this new work? She said, you basically just regressed. 104 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: You relapsed the way a drug addict would pandemic was 105 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: calm in a way, but when real life came back, 106 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: you went right back to hiding in your work. She 107 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: started to say something else, but stopped. What she said 108 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: instead was devastating. I guess you'll have space and time 109 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: for this relationship in like twenty thirty two. Then and 110 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: there I told myself I would never again agree to 111 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: do anything without taking time to assess it first, to 112 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: see what the time management landscape looked like, to think 113 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: about who other than myself might be affected. But she 114 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: was right to tell me that I was wrong, and 115 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: I was wrong to think that I would listen to myself. 116 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: And here I was, having committed to a hip hop 117 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: fifty Grammy tribute that had the potential to burn a 118 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: bunch of bridges while I was standing on them. One 119 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: of the bridges that it started to burn was the 120 00:07:54,480 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: relationship itself. The twenty thirty two estimate now looked optimistic. Relationship, 121 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: which had spanned the pandemic, started to end, and I 122 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: did what she knew I'd do all along. I moved 123 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: forward into more work. Specifically, I started on the Grammy 124 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: Tribute project. I made a demo. I put together an 125 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: audio map of the hip hop genre over the half 126 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: century from nineteen seventy three, going from the earliest Bronx 127 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: djaying to Jimmy Cast to Apache, and moving through all 128 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: of it, every song and artists. I loved all the 129 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: ones that I just mentioned, and all the ones I 130 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: didn't until I got to Glorilla or Ice Spice, or 131 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: whoever I thought best represented twenty twenty three. I made 132 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: what I thought were all the hard choices. By the 133 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: time I was finished, it was thirty three minutes and 134 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: forty two seconds. I knew that the Grammys weren't going 135 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: to give me that much time, but maybe I could 136 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: get close. I called Jesse and Dion and asked them 137 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: how long I would have. Ten minutes said maybe eleven. 138 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: I thought they were joking. I was sure they were joking. 139 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: How could anyone paar down the entire half century to 140 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: a segment that short. On top of everything else, it 141 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: will require me to deliver disappointment to artists, telling some 142 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: I could only use the snippet of their greatest songs, 143 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: telling others I couldn't use them at all. And what 144 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: about the artists who are no longer sharp performers, or 145 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: who I knew wouldn't be warmly received on TV or 146 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: social media? Would I have to write them out of 147 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: history entirely? That's when it hit me. They suckered me 148 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: into being the back cop. Is that why y'all came 149 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: to me to make me the back hop? They started laughing, 150 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: but the laughing didn't last that long. These things that 151 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: you're bringing up, they said, they sound like yps instead 152 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: of ops, meaning your problem instead of are a problem. 153 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: A day later, I called Dion back. I'd work with 154 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: her on the Oscars when I was the de facto 155 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: orchestra and quasi host. I gave her a level with 156 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: me talk. Even though I'm a creative, I'm also a 157 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: suit I said, So don't shield me like I'm an artist. 158 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: Tell me the truth. How much time do I really have? 159 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: Ten to eleven? She said? Come on, I said, you 160 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: can tell me I am telling you. She said, there 161 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: are other parts of the celebration. We're going to give 162 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: doctor Dre an award. You have ten to eleven minutes 163 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: for your segment. Jesse and Dion are the Ashford and 164 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: Simpson of production. I know when to go to Dad 165 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: for some things and Mom for some other things. I 166 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: rolled out my appeal Dion, I said, I need you 167 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: to come through for me. You gotta find me five 168 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: more minutes. Can you give another segment a haircut? I'll 169 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: see what I can do, she said. She called me 170 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: back the next morning. I got good news, and you 171 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: didn't say bad news. I said, I got you more time. 172 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: She said, how much seventeen sixteen eighteen? You have thirteen minutes? 173 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: She said. She delivered the news like she had gone 174 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: out and gotten venison and was going to feed the 175 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: household for a month. It was spoken in triumph and 176 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: a kind of finality, and the wake of that call, 177 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: I thought about reindeer games I always do is one 178 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: of the metaphors I've used more than any other. The 179 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: roots since our inception often felt that hip hop was 180 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: a party, and we were invited late or not at all. 181 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: We didn't get to participate in everything that it had 182 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: to offer. Even though we have the talent and the desire, 183 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: gatekeepers turned us away for one reason or another, not 184 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: perceived as hard enough, not making the right kinds of 185 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: hits at the right time. Being Rudolph came to be 186 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: my skeleton key for everything in this situation. Though I 187 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: wasn't Rudolph, I was Sanna. I was the gatekeeper. All right, 188 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: all right, all right, Calm down, calmdown. That's it for now. 189 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: If you really enjoy what you heard, you can go 190 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: to questlove dot com, q U E s T l 191 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: o v e dot com in order your copy of 192 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: Hip Hop Is History Today. Thank you,