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Speaker 1: cops during actions. It doesn't matter how solid your digital

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Speaker 1: security is or how trustworthy your friends are if a

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Speaker 1: cop charges that you faster than you can run away.

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Speaker 1: But good security culture can prevent activists from being arrested

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Speaker 1: after actions. See the United States has filled to hell

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Speaker 1: and back with cameras when protesters damage your destroyed property.

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Speaker 1: While protesting, police will spend weeks trying to identify the

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Speaker 1: individuals responsible. This is a big part of why black

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00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: block has evolved as a tactic. If everyone is dressed

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00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: basically identically with their features covered and no logos or

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00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: hatto showing, it's much more difficult for police to identify

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Speaker 1: people after an action. Going in block has disadvantages too, though,

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Speaker 1: largely when it comes to optics. When you're properly blocked up,

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00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: it will be difficult or impossible to determine your race.

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Speaker 1: As a result, police and local politicians important tended to

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Speaker 1: blame the activities have blocked up crowds on white anarchists

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00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 1: allegend that the city's Black Lives Matter movement had been

446
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: hijacked by white kids who just wanted to break things. Cosca,

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Speaker 1: an Indigenous Portlander who has been arrested by this point

448
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: at least ten times, pushed back against that characterization. Definitely

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Speaker 1: a narrative that works because people believe it, and people

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Speaker 1: keep repeating it, even some people of color. I hear

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Speaker 1: repeating it. But I know for a fact it's not true,

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Speaker 1: because because I've been doing this with you know, people

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Speaker 1: in Black Block for several years and have gotten to

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00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: know lots of people, and I have never ever seen

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Speaker 1: so many people of color in block before, and particularly

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Speaker 1: Native people, you know, like the just the Native people

457
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Speaker 1: in block is a huge amount compared you know, compared

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Speaker 1: to the population the general population of the area. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think you could even say it's

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Speaker 1: race that everyone in Black Block is white. In September,

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Speaker 1: after more than four months of nightly protests, the Justice

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Speaker 1: Department launched a criminal inquiry targeting the leaders of organizations

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Speaker 1: responsible for anti police brutality protests across the nation. Homeland

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Speaker 1: Security Secretary Chad Wolf told Fox News what we know

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Speaker 1: is that we have seen groups and individuals moved from

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Speaker 1: Portland to other parts of the country. I also found

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Speaker 1: a very poorly written USA Today article on the subject

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Speaker 1: and includes this paragraph asked why leaders of Antifa, a

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Speaker 1: loosely organized extreme far left ideology, and Black Lives Matter

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Speaker 1: formed in part to call attention to violence against black

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Speaker 1: communities had not been arrested. Wolf said, this is something

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Speaker 1: I talked to the a G personally about and I

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Speaker 1: know that they are working on it. So far, these

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Speaker 1: investigations had been markedly unsuccessful. Leaked reports later in the

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00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: year revealed that the Department of Homeland Security thought that

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Speaker 1: Antifa was an organized group with a structured leadership cast

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00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: that could be identified and arrested. No evidence of this

478
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: was ever turned up. Would suggest that this sort of

479
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: decentralized organizational tactic is at least harder for law enforcement

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00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: to penetrate. The vast majority of affinity groups don't exist

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00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: to organized window breaking, fire starting, or any of the

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00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: other things the media love to focus on in their

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00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: coverage of Portland protests. At their most basic level, affinity

484
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: groups are a safety tool. Cop rights can be incredibly dangerous,

485
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: and everyone considering going into such a situation should have

486
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Speaker 1: buddies who are there to watch your back and render

487
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: aid if you get hurt. Obviously, not everyone interested in

488
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: participating in protests had friends who are willing to go

489
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: out with them. Inter Comrade Collective an organization that formed

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the protests to help match loan

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00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: activists with buddies they could protest with for the night,

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Speaker 1: and so. UM the first time I had met up

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Speaker 1: with Commrad Collective, it was funny because, like, you know,

494
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: I had all this like anxiety and stuff, and uh.

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00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, oh my god, I'm so uncomfortable,

496
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Speaker 1: like I don't know these people. And then I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm totally not going to meet up with them again

498
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: because I was like, I'll just stay by myself. Um,

499
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: here we are. But but it was like it was

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Speaker 1: when I when I left, and um, one of our

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00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: other comrades, uh like messaged me and was like are

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00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: you home? And like I wasn't expecting that, and I

503
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: was like what, And I was like, oh my god,

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00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: that's awesome. And then just like getting used to like

505
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: the checking in, you know, to make sure like they're

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Speaker 1: not arrested or didn't get attacked by you know, fascists

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00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: or whatever, and so just kind of like, um, I

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00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: think just getting exposed to like people, I'm like, oh

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00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: my god, these are like strangers that I don't know

510
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: that like give a ship about my well being and

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00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 1: so that kind of in turn makes you care more

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00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: about yourself, like and then also want to do the

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Speaker 1: same for others. And I also I'm one that likes

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Speaker 1: that tends to stray from the group. So like I'm

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00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: definitely like comfortable by myself in certain situations, but I

516
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: still I even if I'm separated, I just I like

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00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: to know that there is someone out there that like

518
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: I can hit up or whatever or check in with,

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00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: even if we're not like together at that moment. By

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00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: the start of July, all the ingredients were in place

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00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: for Portland's protest movement to display its first real meaningful

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00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: resistance to the violent might of a police riot line.

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Speaker 1: Protests had seriously waned in the days prior to the fourth,

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Speaker 1: with just a few dozen people showing up most nights,

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00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: but the holiday, and more to the point, the fact

526
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Speaker 1: that shiploads of fireworks were on sale for the holiday

527
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: brought a massive crowd of more than a thousand Portlander's

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Speaker 1: out to the city parks in front of the Justice

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Speaker 1: Center and the Mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse. In the

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Speaker 1: days that followed DHS Director Chad Wolf's announcement that rapid

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Speaker 1: deployment team were being sent to Portland's activists had been

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00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: on the lookout for Feds. They'd been visible inside the I. R.

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Speaker 1: S Building across the street from the Justice Center. Reporters

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Speaker 1: had taken several photographs of men in heavy military body

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Speaker 1: armor carrying rifles, but until the fourth none of those

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00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: men had actively engaged with a protest. My team, Beatrix, Selaine,

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Speaker 1: and Garrison and I all arrived in front of the

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Speaker 1: Justice Center at around nine pm. The energy in the

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Speaker 1: air was as apparent as the smell of gunpowder. People

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Speaker 1: were setting off fireworks, mostly mortars, at random in and

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Speaker 1: around the crowd. We hated it at first, after weeks

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Speaker 1: of being repeatedly flashbanged by cops. We were all just

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00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: ridiculously on edge. The first thing I saw upon a

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Speaker 1: rifle was a pile of American flags burning in a

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Speaker 1: concrete pit that had once held a massive Elk statue.

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Speaker 1: For several nights in a row, protesters had set fires

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Speaker 1: in and around the Elk statue, not out of anger,

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Speaker 1: but out of a desire to stay warm, and one

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00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: assumes for the joy of setting fires. Eventually, the city

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00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: removed the elk out of fears that it might collapse

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00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: and injure somebody. Protesters loved the Elk statue, though, and

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00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: began constructing a series of fasimilar Elk statues. On the

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00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: fourth it was a tiny model of a baby Elk

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00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: sandwiched in between billowing flames. While the flags burned, protesters

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00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: chanted Black Lives Matter. As more folks arrived, more fireworks

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00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: were set off. At first, people simply stood in the

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00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: street in front of the Justice Center, aiming fireworks straight

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00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: into the air to provide their incarcerated friends with the show.

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Speaker 1: This was not universally popular behavior, because again, at least

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Speaker 1: half the crowd was dealing with the opening salvos of

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00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: pretty serious PTSD. At this point, of course, The fireworks continued,

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00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: and once they hit a certain frequency, everyone's brains kind

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00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: of gotten numb to the effect. If I can be honest,

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00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: it started to be fun. Some individuals and affinity groups

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00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: within the crowd had brought lasers to shine into the

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Speaker 1: the Justice Center. By ten PM, the fireworks usage had

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Speaker 1: At least one prisoner inside was seen waving excitedly out

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Speaker 1: As I moved forward, sensing imminent tear gas, I heard

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Speaker 1: basically so far people were shooting it. Ship of fireworks off, uh,

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Speaker 1: And now it looks like PUDs are out and shooting

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Speaker 1: They had started coming out to protest police brutality and

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Speaker 1: wound up repeated victims of it, and now over the

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00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: course of June they'd gotten good at resisting it. Each

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00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: person there had learned tactics to mitigate police riot control agents.

648
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: They'd come to trust their fellow Portlanders, and now finally

649
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Speaker 1: there were enough of them out again to put up

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Speaker 1: serious resistance to the cops. And they had sacks full

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Speaker 1: of commercial grade fireworks to throw back at the thin

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00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: blue line shooting grenades at them. With all that psychic

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Speaker 1: weight behind them, there was simply no way this crowd

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Speaker 1: was going to back down to the demands of police

655
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: or federal agents. Instead, the massive Portlanders swarmed the front

656
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: steps of the federal courthouse that had just gassed them.

657
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: They began launching fireworks directly into its facade, shattering some

658
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: of the windows higher up. The street level windows were

659
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: all covered in plywood and those plywood walls had several

660
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: hinged slits on them that federal agents inside could flip

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00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: open to shoot from. I started calling them murder holes

662
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: after similar features built into medieval castles. The term stuck

663
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: minutes went by. Federal agents would occasionally fire pepper balls

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Speaker 1: into the crowd, but eleven PM came and went without

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Speaker 1: another major show of force. At around eleven o five,

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Speaker 1: the police started dumping gas or smoke out of the

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00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: side door of the Justice Center. The Feds dropped more

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00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: gas out too, but instead of dispersing, the crowd moved

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Speaker 1: back in an orderly fashion. Front liners with umbrellas and

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00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: shields moved to the front and deflected pepper balls, while

671
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: medics washed out eyes and people with gas masks and

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00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: respirators ran into the cloud to throw more fireworks at

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Speaker 1: the courthouse. Gas. Yeah, they're dropped the ropping it out

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Speaker 1: of the window. HOPEOU see how the fire we're going

675
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: off there. The whole situation evolved into something very much

676
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Speaker 1: like a siege. You can see here one of the

677
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 1: murders works a medieval time I think, so that's here

678
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: they're scooting, So we definitely have like an old fashioned

679
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Speaker 1: medieval seeds to sort of crowd getting their fears. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You see a crowd get into shields to the front.

681
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: You see the defenders firing had a murder hole. You

682
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: see fire. You know pilots big shot into the thing

683
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Speaker 1: is Jesus Christ. Yeah, Friday night, everybody, Friday night. I

684
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Speaker 1: hope can't tell what's smoked from fireworks and what's tear gas.

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00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: I think the FEDS and the police had expected the

686
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: gas and pepper balls would suffice to force the crowd away,

687
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: but the crowd kept advancing. Dedicated teams would run up

688
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: with traffic cones and put out gas grenades. Eventually, the

689
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: FEDS and the Portland Police were forced to bombard both

690
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: parks just to push the crowd away. Yeah wow, okay,

691
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: it's going wild. Somebody's riding a bicycle with a shield

692
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: to the crowd. Words are fire and death till there's

693
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: all behind us. Let's go through here, go through here. Eventually,

694
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: the FEDS and the police made a decision more gas.

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00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: It was the most gas deployed in Portland since tear

696
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Speaker 1: gas Tuesday. Despite being doused with gas, the crowd did

697
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: not scatter. When I washed my eyes out and was

698
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: able to look around, I saw hundreds of people still

699
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: arrayed for battle and ready to go. The police and

700
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: federal agents both came out and forced that night. They

701
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: marched forward, pumping out gas and pepper balls and smoke grenades.

702
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: The crowd was forced back foot by foot, but they

703
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: held together. I think DHS had expected that the presence

704
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: of federal agents and military gear would have rattled protesters more,

705
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: but activists just treated them like more cops. The sight

706
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: of fully armored soldiers in military gear was unsettling, especially

707
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: since no one at the time had any idea what

708
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: agency they were with. Look at these guys, we got

709
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: army guys. Look at guys here. The combined Feds and

710
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: police succeeded in splitting the crowd in two through a

711
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: combination of walls of gas and bulrushes, but both groups

712
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: held together and proceeded to lead law enforcement on a

713
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: two hour chase through the streets of Portland. There were

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00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: moments of shocking brutality where police would tackle protesters and

715
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: dragged them on their back across asphalt into clouds of

716
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: gas to arrest them. One protester we interviewed was arrested

717
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: that night. She'd shown up as a shield bearer and

718
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: had been one of the people protecting the crowd from

719
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: incoming fire. Yeah. Yeah, the fourth of July was wild.

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Speaker 1: You know. I think we everyone went into that night knowing, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is the fourth of July. It's going

722
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: to be a fairly big night. The protests for really,

723
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: they were going strong. And I showed up before the

724
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: sun went down and was just kind of doing the

725
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: thing that I had been doing the entire time leading

726
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: up to that point, which is, you know, I was

727
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: far enough away from the police that I could be

728
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: there if anyone got tear gas to help them with

729
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: sailing or something like that. Um and I had been

730
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: coming out each night with like extra gear to hand

731
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: out to people that didn't have anything. So I was

732
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Speaker 1: with one of my friends who ended up getting arrested

733
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: right next to me, UM and I was giving someone

734
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Speaker 1: sailing and he said, Emily, get up there about to

735
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: rush us. And and I had been given a shield

736
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: that night because the night before there was a woman

737
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: who was who had been tear gased really really badly,

738
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Speaker 1: and I gave her like my personal gear. I had

739
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: given away all of my extra stuff, so I gave

740
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: her my my stuff and someone came up to me

741
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: earlier in the evening and was like are you Emily

742
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: and as Ya, They're like, we made this for you,

743
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: like you helped my friend last night, um, and so

744
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: this is for you. And so I had a shield

745
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: with me. I used my shield to get up off

746
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: of the ground and I started to run and that's

747
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: when I got tackled and arrested. I had, you know,

748
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: after looking at the video, I remember feeling, um, at

749
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: least two knees on top of me and um, you know,

750
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: going back and thinking about it, like I had a

751
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: palm on top of my head. I ended up with

752
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: a black eye that had for like three weeks. Um.

753
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: But someone was palming my face into the pavement. Uh.

754
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: And so you know, I get up. I had a

755
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: backpack on. They cut my backpack off of me. The person,

756
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: the officer that arrested me, told me that I had

757
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: tried to hit a police officer with my shield. And

758
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: I just like very calmly and and politely said, you know,

759
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: like you know, look proving that because I would never

760
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: do anything like that. Because I wouldn't. I was down

761
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: there to help the people that needed to be helped.

762
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm not a medic. I never wore met a gear.

763
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: I never claimed to be a medic. You know. I

764
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: was just there to to assist in any way that

765
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: I could. Both crowds engaged in something of a fighting

766
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: retreat for the better part of two hours. When police

767
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: would mass up for a bulrush, protesters would launch fireworks

768
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: into their riot line. This disrupted them every time and

769
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: seemed to even panic some. Eventually, the police grew so

770
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: weary of being blasted that they pulled back and both

771
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: crowds were able to escape pursuit. At around forty am,

772
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: both crowds met up again, just a couple of blocks

773
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: away from the courthouse and Justice Center. After two hours

774
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: of constant fighting, hundreds and hundreds of people were still together,

775
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: organized and dangerous. Despite everyone's weariness, there was tremendous excitement

776
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: in the air as the crowd of Portlanders reoccupied the

777
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: parks and set off celebratory fireworks in the center of

778
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: the Elk statue. He sutting off fireworks again celebart for

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00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: the first time since the demonstrations had begun on May

780
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 1: twenty nine, Portland protesters had what felt like a real

781
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: victory the police and the federal agents had thrown everything

782
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: in their arsenal at a crowd that refused to disperse.

783
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: People had held their own against multiple riot lines and

784
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: forced them to back away. For the first time ever,

785
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: a crowd kicked out of the parks in front of

786
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: the Justice Center had succeeded in reoccupying those parks. For

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00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: a long time, people just celebrated whoa boy. In my

788
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,000
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00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,319
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790
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: coming days weeks would make it very clear that the

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00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: fight was far from over and that July four had

792
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: been at best a very temporary victory. But in the

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00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:15,239
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