1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrey along 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: with Dick Begatch and we'll take calls with Nick next 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: hour here on Coast to Coast, Nick with the Adventist 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: Social media. Is it easier or more difficult to control 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: a human mind? 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 3: It's probably a lot easier, just in terms of how 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: much time most people spend on social media. And you know, 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: you provide a lot of information if you really take 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 3: account of it, not just there, but every single computer 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: inquiry that a person makes, and most people draw their 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 3: information now primarily from social media, less from news networks. 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 3: News networks have become less and less trusted over time. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: And when you think about information generally, we have more 15 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: than we've ever had before, and yet we've actually maybe 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: become less educated in certain ways, maybe just the abundance 17 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 3: of it, and more of it's for entertainment, less of 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: it for uh, for learning. But we you know, when 19 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: you think about just a way in which communication has 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: generally changed, and and really less of it personal, more 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: of an impersonal. Social media is a prime expression of it. 22 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: Why isn't social media schooling it in, uh, watchdogging some 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: of these reports a little better, though. I mean, I've 24 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: seen reports of people that apparently have been killed or 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: died and you go and find out they're still around. 26 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: Well, you know again, you know when when you think 27 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: about just sort of how the systems work and or 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: don't work, but as they get more sophisticated and and 29 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 3: more accurate in what they project and then again what 30 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: they push, because when you gather information about people, you 31 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: also feedback just that which is maybe the most saleable, 32 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: the most consumable for that individual. And that's what we've 33 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: seen more than anything else, is the individualization of how 34 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: information comes at you, if you can think about it 35 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: in that way, and that's what sort of pushes the 36 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 3: individual and the group and the crowd around. And it's 37 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: created really an exceptionally polarized culture, one that I think 38 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: has gotten more polarized, more narrow in its focus, because 39 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: the information that we're most apt to agree with is 40 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: what tends to come our way the more we're involved 41 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: in these systems, and that really pushes us into corners. 42 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: Let's look at what's happening in Iran right now. They're 43 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: killing people they're killing demonstrators, They've shut down their internet 44 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: to avoid some of the things we've talked about. They 45 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: have they have never had this problem since nineteen seventy nine, 46 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: and I think it's going to get worse. 47 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's a reflection and maybe a sign of 48 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: the times, you know, because when you think about Iran 49 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: just as a you know, what's going on there, high inflation, 50 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 3: lack of certain basic commodities, and then the pressure of 51 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: a culture that tends to be relatively oppressive compared to 52 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: a lot of other places. And the first thing they 53 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: do is shut off the communications. And this relatively easily 54 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: done when you consider modern communication links. So I mean 55 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: it's truly a double edged sort. It provides the possibilities 56 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: of endless possibilities and at the same time ends up 57 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: being more of a directed weaponized system. Information systems generally 58 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: are that way. Communication systems the same and been the overlap. 59 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: Today in terms of controlling populations, you can do a 60 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: lot by just switching off the information systems themselves, and 61 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: it's much more easily done today. Even when you think 62 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 3: about banks and communications in terms of your finances, all 63 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: of it is to switch away literally in terms of 64 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 3: most manipulation of any of those systems. 65 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 2: What concerns you the most about controlling the human mind? 66 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: Well, the you know, the advancement of the technologies and 67 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: the way in which they can be used and are 68 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 3: not restricted. I mean we've talked about energy weapons on 69 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 3: this program for over thirty thirty five years, a long 70 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 3: time on coasts, and you know, these systems have just 71 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 3: gotten better. You know, even in this latest thing in Venezuela. Uh, 72 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 3: we're here the reports of a sonic weapon being used 73 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: to disable the adversaries on the way in. Yeah, right, 74 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 3: that's exactly right. And the sophistication of these systems, uh great, 75 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: you know grades over a lot of territory because once 76 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 3: you learn how to manipulate the very energy systems that 77 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: drive the various functions of the human body, then you 78 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 3: can override those systems and manipulate them. And so, whether 79 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: it's a weapon system is overt as a sonic system 80 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: that's being reported, or something of a similar nature, or 81 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 3: something more subtle that pushes you around, so to speak, 82 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: or excite your emotions in certain ways, these are technologies 83 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: that have been around a very very long time, and 84 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: in today's world, Yeah, the temptation to use them to 85 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 3: further political ends. I don't care what side of the 86 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: aisle you might be standing on. Their different rationale for 87 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 3: pushing those buttons and manipulating and using those technologies, and 88 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: the temptation is great, and the use of these technologies 89 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 3: is I think more universal than people would like to believe. 90 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: Was it easier or more difficult thirty years ago to 91 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: control the human mind? 92 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'd say more difficult. I mean just based 93 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: on the evolution of information systems and understanding of how 94 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 3: to mediate the human body in terms of energy systems 95 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: were way way further ahead today than we were then. 96 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: But the things we could do even back then, you 97 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 3: know that we're being done as far back as the 98 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 3: nineteen fifties, when a lot of this stuff began, you know, 99 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 3: seventy five years ago. And what evolved from that, you know, 100 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: was a lot of but manipulating behavior was part of it. 101 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 3: The other was a discovery of sort of what else 102 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: was possible with human consciousness. And this is where you 103 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 3: start getting into some pretty wild things that they were doing, 104 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: because they were experimenting with every kind of drug and 105 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 3: substance to see what effects they could have on humans 106 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 3: and what they might trigger and extrasensory perceptions, accelerated learning. 107 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: I mean, the list of programs was endless and that 108 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: never really changed. A lot of it privatized because private 109 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: labs exist that are interested in the same kind of 110 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: technologies brain to machine interfaces. That opened the door for 111 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: a lot of possibilities and a lot of more direct 112 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: manipulation and control. I mean, if you think about things 113 00:07:54,040 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: like neurally today literally cooking up, so to speak. There 114 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 3: was even a PDS special years ago, a couple decades 115 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: ago called the Worldwide Mind, which was this idea of 116 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: linking all the minds in the world together. And we're 117 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: not very far from that if you really stop and 118 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: just take soccer where we are right now pretty close 119 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: to that. 120 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: Nick, what is brain biofeedback? 121 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: Well, you know, this technique has been around a long 122 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: time in different ways of doing it, but it's essentially 123 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: brain training where you're in some cases where they'll use 124 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: like a a cap that measures brain activity and then 125 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: what they'll do is plug it into a computer and 126 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: maybe have some graphic and you learn how to manipulate 127 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: that graphic, whether it's a bouncing ball or something like this. 128 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: And what it allows you to do is train the 129 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: brain to operate within a certain range. So if a 130 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: person were hyperactive or attention depths of disorder, they've used 131 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 3: the techniques for training rather than chemicals to alter the brain. 132 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: What they've literally done is train the brain to operate 133 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 3: within sort of an optimized range where intellectual and creative 134 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: thinking can take place in a more efficient way. And 135 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 3: so biofeedback is really a powerful thing used in a 136 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: lot of different ways. And these systems have evolved and 137 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: can in fact enhance human performance in ways that not 138 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 3: just overcome certain challenges in learning, but also enhance regular 139 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: learners to be able to just dial into that ideal 140 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: state of learning. And so biofeedback is used for training. 141 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: You can use drivers also, which are systems that actually 142 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 3: push the brain into certain ranges by using flickering light 143 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: or bi orbeat sound manipulated into a certain way. But 144 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: you can create a hypersensitivity for learning. And if you 145 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: think about it, the same thing can be applied for 146 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: manipulation on a subtle basis. Just using almost any electromagnetic carrier, 147 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 3: you can oscillate a signal to change the basic mind 148 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 3: state of an individual. 149 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: What would you say, nick might be the best way, 150 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: the easiest way to manipulate the masses. 151 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 3: You know, probably the simplest would be to create a 152 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 3: signal that created a certain level of agitation, for instance, 153 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: and then just the standard news feeds that come through 154 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: the various media would be enough to move a certain 155 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 3: segment of the population. By just creating an underlying disease, 156 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 3: if you would, and then giving some kind of a 157 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: report on what might be the root cause of that 158 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 3: can move a small number of people, but actually a 159 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 3: lot of people in a hurry. But you can do 160 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: things as simple as that. The things that we're seeing 161 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 3: today are even more subtle. I mean, it's just a 162 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: matter of if you've collected a lot of data on 163 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: each individual, and then you can send back specific messages. 164 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: Say you have a political issue that ninety nine issues 165 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: you disagree with, but there's one you agree with that 166 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: might be the only one you hear about during a 167 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 3: campaign cycle, just because you've revealed enough information to sort 168 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: of know your dislikes. And this is a kind of 169 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 3: manipulation I'm talking about, whether it's to sell you a 170 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: box of soap or political candidate. As these systems become 171 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 3: more integrated and sophisticated. This is what you get in 172 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 3: feedback loops and some of this, and this data is 173 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: manipulated for that specific purpose for marketing and getting outcomes. 174 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: And the more efficient you are at that, the greater 175 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 3: the likelihood of the outcome that you're seeking. And when 176 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: you start throwing AI on this, the ability to sort 177 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 3: bast amounts of data, and this will become more efficient 178 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 3: as time goes on and as computing systems become more powerful, 179 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: and so the overlays of each of these things provides 180 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 3: sort of a higher resolution in and also the ability 181 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: then to move populations pretty much wherever you want them 182 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: to go. And that's a very dangerous thing because that's 183 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: not about education anymore. That's not about an informed public anymore. 184 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: That's about something quite different. 185 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 2: Back in the fifties, Joseph McCarthy, the junior Senator of Wisconsin, 186 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: created a national stir by accusing a lot of people 187 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 2: about being communists. Was he manipulating the human mind? 188 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so again, you know, using emotion and 189 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 3: the times that that period of time, what was in 190 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:06,239 Speaker 3: people's consciousness to be able to use fear and anger 191 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 3: and insecurities to move people along the other thing that happens. 192 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: And this is something that is more well understood now, 193 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: I mean, at least on a scientific basis. If you 194 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 3: look at the mind when it's in these states of 195 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 3: flight or fight or a panic or strong negative emotions, 196 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 3: you get in coherent brain patterns that those that are 197 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 3: associated not with higher order thinking. Those come where you'll 198 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 3: see very rhythmic patterns in the brain, very different kind 199 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 3: of a brain organization. But if you can create that 200 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: fear that underlying anxiety, it's a lot easier to move people, 201 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 3: to push them in certain directions. And that's what was 202 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 3: understood and I think is understood today, whether it's you know, 203 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: the screaming minister scaring the heck out of you, or 204 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,119 Speaker 3: or any number of things you know that are generating 205 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: fear to push you in a certain direction. Where the 206 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: calm of reason, which requires a very different type of 207 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 3: thinking and lends itself to all of these other attributes 208 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: that humans are much more capable of. The positive emotions 209 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: are aligned with that type of brain activity as well. 210 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: Nick was Hitler, an expert in mass hysteria. 211 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: You know there is a lot I would say, yes, 212 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: of course, but I would say there was a very 213 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: dark evil, a cult side to what that individual represented, 214 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 3: and I think that's a dimension that also gets missed. 215 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: And in fact, I would say in a lot of 216 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 3: the early things that they were messing around with and 217 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: research trying to figure out what you could do with 218 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 3: the brain, open the door to a lot of pretty 219 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: hairy things. And I think that's again, when you start 220 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: messing with consciousness in different ways, you're messing with free will. 221 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: You're tapping on places that even God, most religions would 222 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: he would not get, would not intrude on. And that's 223 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: where this gets dark. When you start manipulating human behavior, 224 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: human thinking in ways that are meant to push to 225 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: do things in a way that is not honest, is 226 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: not transparent, I think is the beginning of a dark path. 227 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 228 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: one a m. 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